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Speaker 1: Barry Soper, senior political correspondent, is with us right now.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Barry, good afternoon. Hither.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So the gang patch ban has finally passed. That's

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Speaker 1: done in dustin.

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Speaker 2: An Well, just passed. Yeah, and it's interesting. There were

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Speaker 2: a couple of aspects to the bill that really upset

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Speaker 2: its opponents. And I was fascinated by Carmel Seppaloni not

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Speaker 2: knowing which way the Labor Party was going to vote,

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Speaker 2: give me a break with no route at the beginning,

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Speaker 2: can you be? I don't know where she was. I

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Speaker 2: don't know where her head was, but it was somewhere

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Speaker 2: down Treasure Island, I'm sure. But I mean, it's incredible

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Speaker 2: that there are two aspects to this bill that have

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Speaker 2: come to the fall recently. And one was and the

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Speaker 2: latest one was gang patches and cars. People running around

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Speaker 2: were displaying them within cars. Well, that's now been covered,

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Speaker 2: some of the gang patches. On the third conviction for

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Speaker 2: having a gag packs, the cops can go into your

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Speaker 2: house and pick it up. Well, Paul gold Smith and

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Speaker 2: I heard him on your program just a short while ago.

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Speaker 2: He faced a number of questions in Parliament this afternoon

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Speaker 2: about that police ability to raide homes looking for gang insignia.

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Speaker 2: Now Taku taish Camp from the Mali Party told him

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Speaker 2: it breached human rights.

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Speaker 3: Dealing with gangs who pedal misery is in the benefit

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Speaker 3: of all New Zealanders, including Malji.

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Speaker 4: Banning gang patches from Mrai and Tangui Hana is an

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Speaker 4: invasion of manamotuhaky Tikunga and a gross breach of Tatarti

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Speaker 4: or wait.

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Speaker 3: We are limiting the freedom of expression of gang members

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Speaker 3: to where their patches in public. That's a statement of fact.

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Speaker 3: But we're also concerned about the rights of ordinary New

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Speaker 3: Zealanders to go about their lives without fear and without

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Speaker 3: having to deal with the intimidation and the trouble and

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Speaker 3: chaos and mayhem that gang's cause across our community.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the statistics relating to gangs are terrible. But later,

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Speaker 2: of course they moved on to debating the and final

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Speaker 2: reading of the bill making the moves against gang's law

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Speaker 2: and allowing police to raid those homes for gang patches.

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Speaker 2: That's incensed labors. Duncan web Nos can be known about that.

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Speaker 4: Searches can be intrusive, disruptive and traumatic for children and

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Speaker 4: other Farno, who reside with a person who's subject to

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Speaker 4: the search. Whilst some of our homes may be our castles,

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Speaker 4: that fundamental principle of the sanctity of a private residence

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Speaker 4: has been utterly undercut and undermined. What is the risk

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Speaker 4: of someone's gang insignia, a bandanna, a ring, a jacket,

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Speaker 4: sitting in a wardrobe. Where is the harm? Where is

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Speaker 4: the victim? There isn't one. There's no harm and no victim.

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Speaker 2: That's maybe why camel Sepaloni was a little confused. Well,

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Speaker 2: they're all over the bloody place on this one. Honestly,

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Speaker 2: they just have to find something to complain about. And again, Ring,

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Speaker 2: I don't know whether that would be covered by the legislation.

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Speaker 1: Now I see that Barbara Edmonds of the Labor Party's

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Speaker 1: been having a crack at Nicola Willison the National Party,

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Speaker 1: blaming them for what's happening in the economy at the moment.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure that that's going to land, do you know, Well,

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Speaker 1: you know.

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Speaker 2: We know how these statistics lag, and you know there

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Speaker 2: was revision to the December twenty twenty three quarter and

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Speaker 2: that showed that technically the country wasn't in recession. So

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Speaker 2: you know, we can now say thankfully that we moved

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Speaker 2: out of it, but did we really? I mean, that's

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Speaker 2: I guess that'll go on being debated by economists. But look,

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Speaker 2: it's you know that when you look at the pickup

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Speaker 2: in economic activity, it hasn't been great. You've seen a

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Speaker 2: fallaway in construction. Everybody knew that was the case. You

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Speaker 2: see decline and retail and wholesale businesses, and I think

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Speaker 2: you alluded to those earlier. I guess now the focus

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Speaker 2: will go there's a bit more spending from the public,

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Speaker 2: but the focus will now go on the Reserve Bank

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Speaker 2: and whether they look at more cutting to the ocr

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Speaker 2: which will be easing people's people struggling to pay their

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Speaker 2: mortgage interest rates. And you'd have to say, if they

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Speaker 2: do that, that's a good thing because people don't have

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Speaker 2: a lot of money to play with these days.

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Speaker 1: I don't have a long time at all, but just

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Speaker 1: tell me really quickly, what's going on with this resolutionary Israel?

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Speaker 2: Well, New Zealand backed it. Actually I had a bit

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Speaker 2: of audio, but I won't play it was Old Winston

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Speaker 2: on his feet about it. But New Zealand was one

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Speaker 2: of one hundred and twenty four countries that supported a

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Speaker 2: United Nations General Assembly resolution are telling the Palestinian are

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Speaker 2: telling Israel to get out of Palestine occupied territories within

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Speaker 2: a year. And you know, we agree with that. He

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Speaker 2: was questioned about it in Parliament this afternoon, but he

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Speaker 2: probably told us what we already know, that we support

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Speaker 2: a two state solution to this terrible problem in the

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Speaker 2: Middle East and stuff.

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Speaker 1: Mary, thank you very so for seeing your political correspondence

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Speaker 1: giving away from five.

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