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Speaker 2: Tyler Full Show, Podcast number two five one for Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: pretty pretty handy employment knowledge, and there was something else

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Speaker 3: A protesting on bridges Temockey.

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Speaker 2: On the Bridge, Ay into it? Are you entered or

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Speaker 2: should you just protest at home? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: You the big stories, the leak issues, the big trends

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Speaker 1: and everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons News.

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Speaker 3: Talk said, Welcome in too, Wednesday show. It is seven

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Speaker 3: past one, so good, so good to have you with

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Speaker 3: us as always, Get.

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Speaker 2: A mate, get our great New Zealanders. Where you're tuning

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Speaker 2: in now? This morning I was walking my dog Colin beautiful,

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Speaker 2: beautiful weather at the moment, and it was a very

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Speaker 2: uplifting situation. It's good boy Colin ah and just being

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Speaker 2: out in nature. But I saw a celebrity. I was

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Speaker 2: walking my dog, Nick minute, I see a celebrity, right?

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Speaker 2: Can you guess which celebrity I saw?

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Speaker 3: I'm going to throw out some names here. Tiger waitit No,

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Speaker 3: although he was spotted in possibly the other day by

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Speaker 3: some other people Jermaine Clement. No, I'm just going to

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Speaker 3: go through Flood of the Concords characters here.

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Speaker 2: Was not anyone from Flight of the Concords.

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Speaker 3: Well is it a movie star or a TV star

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Speaker 2: Well, Tyler, the clue was in how I said I

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Speaker 2: saw the celebrity. When I said, I was walking my

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Speaker 2: dog Colin. Next minute, I saw a celebrity. Ah Levi Hawkin.

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Speaker 1: This my scooter outside the theory, Nick minute.

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Speaker 2: I saw the Nick Minute guy.

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Speaker 3: What a legend that guy is. Did you have a

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Speaker 2: I did. What a lovely champion is too? Yeah, amazing dude,

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Speaker 2: didn't he He is a lovely guy. And our dogs

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Speaker 2: are interacted. But it's very hard when you run into

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Speaker 2: the Nick Minute guy to not say Nick minute about something.

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Speaker 3: No, you can't do that.

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Speaker 2: Incredible. I'm just looking at that video that I just

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Speaker 2: played now, millions and millions and millions of players of

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Speaker 2: that Nick minute. Yeah, it was a meme before there

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Speaker 2: was a meme. Yeah, are people still Nick minuting?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've heard it before. Actually, I think there was

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Speaker 3: He sneaked in a Nick Minute there in some stage.

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Speaker 2: So that that has lasted a long time. When was

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Speaker 2: he original Nick minute or that must have been Okay,

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Speaker 2: this this video here is from fourteen years ago.

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Speaker 3: Minute, what was his dog like? His dog was a

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Speaker 3: Very good artist, I think actually yva hawknh, I think Andrew.

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Speaker 3: Don't you have a piece of his art? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: And a great skater as well, Yeah, be a.

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Speaker 2: So hell of a celebrity sliding exciting for me?

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Speaker 3: Nice mate? Yeah, yeah, your rankings have just gone up.

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Speaker 3: Right on to today's show after three point thirty because

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Speaker 3: it is a Wednesday and we get them in once

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Speaker 3: So this is a chance to get some free advice.

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Speaker 3: You usually charges out about one thousand bucks an hour,

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Speaker 3: Yep, get an earlier because it's always popular after three o'clock.

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Speaker 2: This is such a wholesome, feel good video. It is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we go from wholesome to apocalyptic. I saw

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Speaker 2: Can you hunt with a bow and arrow? Can you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what are the basics you should know? If the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yukes is a big one.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: But right now, let's have a chat about protesting over

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Speaker 2: Irrespective of the protests and what it's about or who's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But should we just have places that are a

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Speaker 2: looking through what you have to put through for this

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Speaker 2: The York and Harbor Bridge could be one of them.

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Speaker 2: Probably some tunnels that you don't need to protest it.

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Speaker 2: Just why do you need to bloody walk across the

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Speaker 2: And this isn't a distant in Brian tumicky thing because

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Speaker 2: Yep. Some people that have protested on Parliament lawns in

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Speaker 3: What do you say does there need to be a

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Speaker 4: Really?

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Speaker 2: How hot is it in Christchurch? Because there was a

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Speaker 2: A couple of years ago we're printing heat warnings because

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thirty degrees is an average spring day and a

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Speaker 2: Up there to get one more degree and get up

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Speaker 3: Losers, it's caught a pass one back of the mow.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and

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Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons Hu's talks.

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Speaker 3: That'd be seventeen past one. Should there just be a

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Speaker 3: We say this because Brian Tummocky is the latest and

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Speaker 2: I think the marathon's that's totally different. That's a huge

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not.

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Speaker 2: It's not pushing any barrow. In fact, if you're pushing

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Speaker 2: a barrow on a marathon then that's impressive. I've seen

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Speaker 2: people that have run marathons knitting scarfs. Have you seen

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Speaker 3: No, but they are legit they doing.

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Speaker 2: At the end of the marathon, you get your time

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Speaker 3: That's true.

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Speaker 2: It's a real thing.

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Speaker 3: That's amazing, that's incredibastic, so totally great.

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Speaker 2: I totally support that. But then again, I mean, can't

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Speaker 2: you're running over.

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Speaker 3: You found a massive loophole. Oh one hundred and eighty

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Speaker 3: ten eighty is that number?

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Speaker 2: Tony, Welcome the show, gentlemen.

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Speaker 7: I surely breeth comment. The first one is I don't

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Speaker 7: kill me. It would be that if some media see

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Speaker 7: wouldn't do it again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I guess it's hard to not cover

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Speaker 7: Not really no, no, I think that you know as

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Speaker 2: Is there anything Is there any protests that you would

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Speaker 7: Not really No, I think I think it was a

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Speaker 8: Different.

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Speaker 3: Yeah it was around the Sydney Opera House, I believe,

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Speaker 3: well we'll look that up. But they made a blanket

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Speaker 3: which makes sense because again that's that's highly disruptive and

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Speaker 2: But but Tony, you support the right to protest. So

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Speaker 2: where do you think people should be allowed to protest?

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Speaker 2: Because you could argue wandering up George Street or Queen

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Speaker 2: where do you think you draw the line? Is it

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Speaker 7: I think strategic excess ways. Look, I mean, if I mean,

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Speaker 7: that's fine to me. I don't even like the area

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Speaker 7: now because you know, you know, people think of downtown

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Speaker 7: could be emergency vehicles or anything having to be rerouted.

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Speaker 7: It's not fair.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think even if you get approval, there's

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Speaker 2: still has to be thoroughyar for, it has to fit.

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Speaker 2: It can't be an amount of people that that a

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Speaker 2: car can't get through. If you see what I'm saying, Toning, I.

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Speaker 7: Wasn't aware of that, but I just think, like, mean,

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Speaker 7: you just ignored it, and you know he wouldn't do

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Speaker 3: I hear the logic and the media side of things.

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Speaker 3: But the tough part with that, Tony is media get

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Speaker 3: of that's fair. But if they don't cover one sort

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Speaker 3: I mean that is you know, that's certainly what the

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Speaker 3: not what the media should do. They should report on

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Speaker 3: what is happening as a news event. And if it's

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Speaker 3: thirty thousand people that are marching across the Harbor Bridge,

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Speaker 3: that is a news event. Doesn't really matter what they're protesting.

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Speaker 7: Well, you know, sometimes life isn't fair, is it? And

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Speaker 2: You know, telling what will definitely make news. You've got

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Speaker 2: thirty thousand people. I mean, if you seen what can

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Speaker 2: in step. Hey, thank you so much for your call.

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Speaker 2: Tony this Texas says, Hey, Tamaki is too old and

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Speaker 2: fat to run a marathon. He's also too fat to

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Speaker 2: the bridge. That's from Girard. I just ran a marathon recently.

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Speaker 2: You did, and there were quite a few old fat

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Speaker 3: Take you more of your calls on this one ow

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Speaker 3: at one hundred and eighty ten eighty Should there be

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Speaker 3: Harbor Bridge Love to get your thoughts nine two ninety

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Speaker 1: The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mac Hosking Breakfast.

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Speaker 2: Regional councils are going Chris Bishops and charge of it all.

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Speaker 2: Interesting area because no one cares. No one turns up

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Speaker 9: Well I think no one cares, partly because they can't

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Speaker 1: And then of course you've got all the confusion right.

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Speaker 9: So in Wellington where I'm from, for example, the regional

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Speaker 9: There's enormous levels of complexity and complication that people just

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Speaker 2: Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 2: the Defendant News Talk ZB twenty six past one. Let

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Speaker 2: Tammocky walk all over the Harbor Bridge. I couldn't give

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Speaker 2: Row Bridge in Queenstown, I will complain, tell you I

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Speaker 2: a couple of weekends ago? Tell me what my legs

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Speaker 2: were protesting?

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Speaker 3: I bet they were. Oh one hundred and eighty. Ten

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Speaker 3: eighty is a number to call, Murray.

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Speaker 2: Your thoughts on this, well, I look at it this way.

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Speaker 10: It's a it's a public asset. Now if I wanted

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Speaker 10: to use a town hall, I would have to rent it.

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Speaker 10: So let's say the Harbor Bridge and the infrastructure around

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Speaker 10: one billion a year. So work out what one day

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Speaker 3: You're a thinker, Murray, you're a thinker.

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Speaker 2: Well, to get approval from the New Zealand Transport Agency,

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Speaker 2: the bridge, you do have to pay for the costs

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Speaker 2: and for and there's a bit of things. The organizers

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Speaker 10: Yeah, that's that's how I see it. If you if

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so so ten one billion, My mess is terrible,

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Speaker 2: Well, I've rented small halls for events before and then

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Speaker 3: Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 2: It's an iffing motorway, your muppets. No pedestrians allowed on

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Speaker 3: Is that the problem?

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Speaker 3: But I would still say if Tammackey and the climate

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Speaker 3: even if I support it, you're not allowed to use a.

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Speaker 2: Harbor for hang a minute. So you would be anti

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Speaker 2: their their issues facebook pages and see as we're all

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Speaker 12: Well.

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Speaker 3: If it's a blanket band, it's a blanket ban. But

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Speaker 3: you start to give a little leeway and then you know,

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Speaker 2: Make Well that's a different issue. If you if you

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Speaker 2: you've committed some kind of crime. But if people want

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Speaker 2: to just I don't know, jump in a novelty vehicle

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Speaker 2: and you know, drive at sixty car across the bridge,

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Speaker 2: then it's hard to say they can't.

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Speaker 3: It would be fun. It's a fun protest novelty car.

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Speaker 2: Because how do you know that? You know, I may

445
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Speaker 2: be going to take Aupuna Beach for a swim, or

446
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Speaker 2: I maybe going for a protest.

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Speaker 6: You don't know.

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Speaker 3: It's a point you don't know what I'm doing. Oh

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Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call.

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Speaker 3: We've got headlines with Raylen coming up. It is bang

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Speaker 3: on hopass one.

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Speaker 1: US talks.

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Speaker 13: It'd be headlines with blue bubble tax See it's no

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Speaker 13: trouble with a blue bubble. The two trucks have crashed

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Speaker 13: on Waikatol State Highway to New Mada, Marua seriously during

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Speaker 13: two people. The road closed at the site. Relatives of

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Speaker 13: a woman who murdered her children say it's left a

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Speaker 13: time bomb of fear and anxiety. How Jungli's today being

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Speaker 13: jailed for life with a minimum seventeen years non parole period.

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Speaker 13: Business Canterbury says The intent is sound in making christ

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Speaker 13: Church City Council New Zealand's one stop consenting authority for

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Speaker 13: new supermarket developments, but it will be very complex to

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Speaker 13: set up. The Tourism and Hospitality Minister has announced one

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Speaker 13: hundred and forty five thousand dollars funding for the industry

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Speaker 13: led New Zealand Certificate in Business Events.

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Speaker 2: Which will be offered next year.

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Speaker 13: Ukraine officials say thus agreed to the essence of a

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Speaker 13: peace plan with Russia, but sensitive issues still need to

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Speaker 13: be resolved. The US President says a deal is close.

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Speaker 13: Media personality Dominic Bowden is reportedly planning to open New

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Speaker 13: more at inzid Herald Premium. Back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Raylian. So we're talking about banning

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Speaker 3: all protests on the likes of the Auckland Harbor Bridge

477
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Speaker 3: is their key infrastructure within Auckland and the rest of

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Speaker 3: New Zealand. That official should just say no, sorry, you

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Speaker 3: can't protest there. It's at your protest elsewhere, I tell you.

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Speaker 2: So, I've been looking at the strict criteria that the

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Speaker 2: Transport agency demands before you can get a permit to

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Speaker 2: walk across the bridge for your protest. And it's essentially

483
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Speaker 2: a thesis. You could get a thesis from a Tiger

484
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Speaker 2: university with what you have to fill in and what

485
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Speaker 2: you have to organize to get approval to do this,

486
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Speaker 2: but equally a bunch of people at in ZTA have

487
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Speaker 2: to spend their time going through these applications and our money. Yeah,

488
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Speaker 2: so is a thesis. There's there's an equal amount of

489
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Speaker 2: work sort of going through each part of the thesis

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Speaker 2: and checking out whether each part is correctly done. And

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Speaker 2: then there's a lot of parts of it are I

492
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Speaker 2: guess subjective in it in their analysis. So it's not

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Speaker 2: just you tickle the boxes. You can do it. There

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Speaker 2: are parts where it goes. The event must be a

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Speaker 2: special occasion of significant international interest or an event of

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Speaker 2: international or substantial regional significance.

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Speaker 4: So how do you.

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Speaker 2: Because because if you're Brian Tomicky, you think that your

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Speaker 2: event is of special a special occasion of significant international interest,

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Speaker 2: and you're certainly hoping it is or an event of

501
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Speaker 2: international substantial regional significance. Brian Tommicky and the Bridge for

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Speaker 2: Better would say, yeah, this is incredibly significant.

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Speaker 3: Everybody the whole world should care about that.

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Speaker 2: But that's someone an nz tas to go. I reckon,

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Speaker 2: I reckon. It isn't substantial regional SETI.

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Speaker 3: It's just so much easier to say, nah, na oh,

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Speaker 3: one hundred and eighteen eighty is the number to call Joe, Welcome.

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Speaker 2: To the show.

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Speaker 14: Hey guys.

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Speaker 15: I think actually it's the attraction of walking over the

511
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Speaker 15: Harbor Bridge that attracts like I'd say thirty or fifty

512
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Speaker 15: percent people to these protests because there's not much of

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Speaker 15: an opportunity.

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Speaker 14: To say that you've walked over Auckland Harbor Bridge. It's

515
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Speaker 14: a great marketing idea for the people holding the protest,

516
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Speaker 14: and really the only other legal way is the marathon,

517
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Speaker 14: and then you have to pay a fee, So this

518
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Speaker 14: is like the user pay from the previous caller's call

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Speaker 14: is really good. But there is an attraction for people

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Speaker 14: who may not even believe in what the protest is.

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Speaker 14: It just has happened to Maine or something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting to put your lot in with Destiny's Church. Yeah,

523
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Speaker 2: there's a bit of danger there, but you're on the news.

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Speaker 2: Would you just wave a flag saying only here for

525
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Speaker 2: the view? Yeah, only here.

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Speaker 4: I can do it.

527
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Speaker 2: In the criteria though, the event must be limited to

528
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Speaker 2: registered participants and officials, no unlimited public asset access. So

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Speaker 2: if you do get approval to cross the bridge in protests,

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Speaker 2: you have to register everyone. So these these fair weather

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Speaker 2: I guess tourists that just want to walk across the

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Speaker 2: bridge for the experience, they would have to register with

533
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Speaker 2: the church, with the Destiny's Church and their protest. No,

534
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Speaker 2: you wouldn't have to be a member of Destiney's Church. Yeah,

535
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Speaker 2: but you'd have to register with their protest official protest page,

536
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Speaker 2: and they have to provide your name to the NZTA.

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Speaker 3: That makes sense. So you can just wake up and

538
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Speaker 3: say what should we do today, babe? While we'll go

539
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Speaker 3: to Rainbow's End and oh a lot, there's a protest

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Speaker 3: across the bridge. Oh that'll be nice for all we

541
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Speaker 3: walk God, Brie's wandering across the bridge.

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Speaker 2: We'll go and we'll go and join them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, have a look. I'm glad they've thought of that.

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Speaker 2: That's Yeah, have you ever jumped off that bridge?

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Speaker 15: No?

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Speaker 10: Have you?

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Speaker 4: I have you?

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Speaker 3: That's a big dive. Yeah, did you have a bungee

549
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Speaker 3: on you?

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Speaker 2: A bune Oh?

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Speaker 11: I think?

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Speaker 3: Thank god?

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Speaker 2: It's a key part of that is key.

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Speaker 3: Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 2: Ben. How are you today?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I'm good.

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Speaker 16: Look, look I've got no issue. Supposed you've seen. If

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Speaker 16: someone's standing there, then intersection holding a sign up saying two,

560
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Speaker 16: which the teachers have done lately. I'll go the two.

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Speaker 16: You know, I'm all for that. But the moment you,

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Speaker 16: you know, you inconvenienced me from going about my daily life.

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Speaker 16: You just pissed me off, and I just turn off

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Speaker 16: and I'll get really angry.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But I think these major protests, Ben, that's kind of

567
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Speaker 2: the idea, isn't it. They do them to piss people

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Speaker 2: off such that it makes news and they're becoming and

569
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Speaker 2: the focus goes on their protest. So, I mean, the

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Speaker 2: only reason why they want to walk across Aukland harborvide right,

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Speaker 2: apart from supposed I don't know metaphorical significance is to

572
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Speaker 2: annoy people like you, Ben. So then you have to.

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Speaker 2: You're forced to think about their their issue.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, but that see, at that point, I'm not even

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Speaker 16: interested in what they're up to. I'm just seeing that,

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Speaker 16: oh there's a muppet blocking the road, you know, like, oh, well,

577
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Speaker 16: we're just in christ Church. In two thousand and two,

578
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Speaker 16: some anti Mainday protesters blocked their entrance to Westfield and yeah,

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Speaker 16: it just really pisses you off because you know you've

580
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Speaker 16: got to park up the road and walk tought you

581
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Speaker 16: where you want to go. And it's just like, you know,

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Speaker 16: I'm all for it, mate, I even have a young

583
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Speaker 16: with piece people. I might even join in if I'm

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Speaker 16: walking down the road. But if you're blocking traffic, you

585
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Speaker 16: stop on other people going about their daily lives. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 16: I just turn off, and I just think you're a muppet.

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Speaker 3: Yeah I don't get that. I mean, if it's like

588
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Speaker 3: say a vegan protest and they getting in front of

589
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Speaker 3: you at the supermarket not letting you get the milk,

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Speaker 3: or chucking cheese at you, saying you're a bad person.

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Speaker 3: If you're on the fence, if you're a normal person,

592
00:27:02,773 --> 00:27:05,173
Speaker 3: say yeah, hello, there's some logic and go maybe vegan

593
00:27:05,213 --> 00:27:07,653
Speaker 3: a couple of days a week. You get that sort

594
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Speaker 3: of behavior, say bugger you, guys, I'm meet for life.

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Speaker 3: You don't throw cheese at me.

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Speaker 2: There was these people in Christchurch quite a few years

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Speaker 2: ago that was that were vegan activists that were smashing

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Speaker 2: up butchers. Yeah yeah, anarchists.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: What about those extinction extinction rebellion people activists that that

601
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Speaker 2: block roads?

602
00:27:25,213 --> 00:27:27,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, glue their hand onto a road.

603
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Speaker 2: I think they have probably done more damage to their

604
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Speaker 2: cause than anyone in terms of just pissing people off

605
00:27:33,933 --> 00:27:35,333
Speaker 2: and people I don't want anything to do this. As

606
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Speaker 2: soon as someone can't get to you know, pregnant woman

607
00:27:37,933 --> 00:27:40,213
Speaker 2: can't get to hospital and have a baby, or or

608
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Speaker 2: you know, someone's having a cardiac arrest and the ambulance

609
00:27:43,693 --> 00:27:46,853
Speaker 2: can't get through, you've immediately lost any moral high ground

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Speaker 2: you had.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Throwing paint at the Mona Lisa, I mean come on, yeah,

612
00:27:51,133 --> 00:27:54,573
Speaker 3: remember it was at Lisa. It was certainly some sort

613
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Speaker 3: of famous artwork.

614
00:27:55,493 --> 00:27:57,533
Speaker 2: But like they've done it a lot.

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00:27:57,733 --> 00:27:59,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they were too stupid to realize there's actually

616
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Speaker 3: pers bit glass in front of those.

617
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Speaker 2: There's a bunch of people that have been throwing it's

618
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Speaker 2: orange paint they use now at Christmas trees in the

619
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Speaker 2: UK idiots and protest. I don't know. Christmas tretch hard.

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Speaker 3: To know, right, Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

621
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Speaker 3: is a number to call. We've got plenty of texts

622
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Speaker 3: coming through A nine to two ninety two as well.

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Speaker 2: Everyone can protest is this text, but not where it

624
00:28:22,733 --> 00:28:26,493
Speaker 2: impedes other people's travels or enjoyment. Create a protest spot

625
00:28:26,933 --> 00:28:31,453
Speaker 2: like Autara Park, people can book that. See protests just

626
00:28:31,493 --> 00:28:34,893
Speaker 2: wouldn't do that because think about it before. So we've

627
00:28:34,893 --> 00:28:38,413
Speaker 2: got a place for you to protest. It's it's about

628
00:28:38,853 --> 00:28:41,333
Speaker 2: fifty k out of town. We've got a field for you.

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Speaker 2: We've put some portaloos and you guys just have your

630
00:28:43,053 --> 00:28:45,133
Speaker 2: little protest there. They would never do that.

631
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Speaker 3: There's nobody around, so it's not going annoy.

632
00:28:47,013 --> 00:28:50,253
Speaker 2: As I said to Ben, the disruption is the key

633
00:28:50,373 --> 00:28:53,413
Speaker 2: part of the protest. Yeah, it's the statement of the disruption.

634
00:28:53,933 --> 00:28:56,213
Speaker 2: So maximum disruption is why they want to do it

635
00:28:56,333 --> 00:28:57,733
Speaker 2: on the Auckland Harbor Bridge.

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Speaker 3: Spot on right. We're got to play some messages, but

637
00:29:00,893 --> 00:29:03,053
Speaker 3: the calls are backing up here. After the break we

638
00:29:03,213 --> 00:29:05,173
Speaker 3: will have a chat to Simon, who reckons it's okay.

639
00:29:06,133 --> 00:29:08,253
Speaker 3: For pedestrians and cyclists to be able to use it.

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Speaker 2: Matt, mocking people because of their weight is not okay.

641
00:29:11,973 --> 00:29:15,613
Speaker 2: About as discussing as your hideous feet be better, like, Tyler,

642
00:29:16,173 --> 00:29:18,573
Speaker 2: look that I just read out a text of someone

643
00:29:18,893 --> 00:29:21,373
Speaker 2: I was actually the exact opposite. I didn't. I read

644
00:29:21,373 --> 00:29:25,053
Speaker 2: out a text from someone that was mocking people's Brian

645
00:29:25,093 --> 00:29:27,893
Speaker 2: Tammocky's weight and age. Right, Yes, yep, and I see it.

646
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Speaker 2: There were plenty of fat old people that ran the

647
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Speaker 2: marathon and Queen's down faster than night.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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00:29:32,813 --> 00:29:35,293
Speaker 3: You mocked yourself and you boosted those people up because

650
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Speaker 3: they were fantastic runners.

651
00:29:36,373 --> 00:29:39,333
Speaker 2: They unmocked. Yeah, the fat old people. So that's an

652
00:29:39,413 --> 00:29:40,053
Speaker 2: unfair text.

653
00:29:40,333 --> 00:29:42,853
Speaker 3: Yeah. And the hideous feet thing. I mean, look, you've

654
00:29:42,853 --> 00:29:44,813
Speaker 3: talked about Eliah. That is fair, that is fair, But

655
00:29:44,893 --> 00:29:46,453
Speaker 3: that is that is some full on abuse.

656
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Speaker 2: I do have hideous yeah, or rang a tang feet?

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Speaker 3: Seventeen to two.

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Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon talk mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons

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Speaker 1: call eight hundred eighty ten eighty news Talk sed Be.

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Speaker 3: News Talks it be. It is a quarter to two.

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Speaker 3: Plenty of texts coming through nine two ninety.

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Speaker 2: Two protest need to tr like a balance between causing

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Speaker 2: enough disruption to make a point that the media pays

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Speaker 2: attention to their cause and not so much that it

665
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Speaker 2: distracts from it. Always a tough act, but the only

666
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Speaker 2: protests that have created change are those that get the balance.

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Speaker 11: Right.

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Speaker 2: Cheers guys, good chat team. That's from Luca.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good man.

670
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Speaker 2: And this he said, would you have told Martin Luther

671
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Speaker 2: King to not march and disrupt society? The civil rights

672
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Speaker 2: movement was all about civil disobedience and inconvenience people, but

673
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Speaker 2: rightly so to draw attention to the horrific injustice. And

674
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Speaker 2: that's the thing, isn't it. Because some people are saying, well,

675
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Speaker 2: they don't support Brian Tumicky's views, so he shouldn't have

676
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Speaker 2: to protest. But if you have rules about protests, then

677
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Speaker 2: it can't be specific to the cause of the protest,

678
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Speaker 2: because who's to judge what is the protest and what

679
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Speaker 2: is it? And so I think we'd all agree that

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Speaker 2: Martin Luther King and the civil rights movement in the

681
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Speaker 2: United States was very important, but at the time they

682
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Speaker 2: didn't have public support.

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Speaker 3: Even knowing what I know now, Martin Luther King incredible

684
00:31:04,813 --> 00:31:06,933
Speaker 3: human being. One of the greatest of all time. But

685
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Speaker 3: if he wanted to walk cross the Auckland Harbor Bridge.

686
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Speaker 3: So I say, look, love what you're doing, go hard,

687
00:31:12,413 --> 00:31:14,053
Speaker 3: but just not the Auckland Harbor Bridge Marten.

688
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Speaker 9: Yeah.

689
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Speaker 2: And we have to be clear here that the participant

690
00:31:17,973 --> 00:31:20,893
Speaker 2: numbers the event must limit the numbers. So the lane

691
00:31:20,973 --> 00:31:24,253
Speaker 2: closures the event must only result in a partial lane closure.

692
00:31:24,293 --> 00:31:26,973
Speaker 2: Significant lanes must remain open to allow free flow of

693
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Speaker 2: traffic likely to use the motorway during the event. So

694
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Speaker 2: even though it causes a major disruption, because anytime you

695
00:31:32,853 --> 00:31:34,773
Speaker 2: block any of the lanes on the bridge, it gets

696
00:31:35,173 --> 00:31:37,053
Speaker 2: backed up all the way to the poon. Yeah but

697
00:31:38,093 --> 00:31:41,533
Speaker 2: you but this still traffic has to be able to

698
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Speaker 2: get through. So if this protest goes ahead, then it's

699
00:31:45,053 --> 00:31:49,573
Speaker 2: not a complete blocking of the bridge. Although surely thirty thousand.

700
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Speaker 2: If Brian Tammocky can get thirty thousand people that had

701
00:31:54,533 --> 00:31:56,653
Speaker 2: blocked the bridge, wulldn't it? Thirty thousand people's a lot

702
00:31:56,693 --> 00:31:56,973
Speaker 2: of people.

703
00:31:56,973 --> 00:31:58,333
Speaker 3: There's a good number. He's ambitious.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's all of I wa a rout turning

705
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Speaker 2: up across the bridge.

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Speaker 3: Stick, Simon, how are.

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Speaker 6: You get a Simon Simon? Yeah, Look, I think, you know,

708
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Speaker 6: brain demism. He's an idiot, that's first thing. But I

709
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Speaker 6: think they're also instr duc in the way they treat

710
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Speaker 6: us about the bridge. The bridge would be opened up

711
00:32:18,573 --> 00:32:21,053
Speaker 6: through us and so you know they close it to

712
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Speaker 6: sastening at three o'clock they closed the bridge called Northern

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Speaker 6: North traffic coming to the city.

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Speaker 4: They do it every day.

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Speaker 6: They close it down to three lanes and cause the

716
00:32:28,173 --> 00:32:30,413
Speaker 6: traffic jam or in the Northern Highway. So it's not

717
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Speaker 6: like they can't close the bridge and if they did,

718
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Speaker 6: you know, three lanes each way on a Sunday mornings,

719
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Speaker 6: let's say from you know seven o'clock to nine o'clock

720
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Speaker 6: or six o'clock to eight o'clock or something on Sunday

721
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Speaker 6: morning and open up two lanes the western Tia Landes

722
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Speaker 6: and the bridge from Chilly Beach to the step of

723
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Speaker 6: the row off rom there. Let anybody walk acros us it,

724
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Speaker 6: ride your bike. If you're to protest, that's the time

725
00:32:49,533 --> 00:32:51,693
Speaker 6: they have to do it. So they're protesting is about

726
00:32:52,013 --> 00:32:54,413
Speaker 6: the disruption, but visibility as well. So you get as

727
00:32:54,493 --> 00:32:56,613
Speaker 6: much visibility as your life on the Harbor Bridge and

728
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Speaker 6: a Sunday morning and take your thirty thousand people across it.

729
00:32:59,533 --> 00:33:03,133
Speaker 6: But MCTA treat it like it's a sacred cathedral or something.

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Speaker 6: It's just a bridge.

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Speaker 1: We all own it.

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Speaker 6: We can't use it.

733
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Speaker 2: You know, you did you support the plan lands that

734
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Speaker 2: were scuttled because I think they had already spent eighty

735
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Speaker 2: million investigating. But there was that plan to.

736
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Speaker 3: Engineer it was a clip on, wasn't it wasn't that

737
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Speaker 3: a clip on cyclist?

738
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Speaker 6: So that was that seemed way too principle. But the

739
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Speaker 6: engineering was just outrageous.

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Speaker 2: Why did it have to be the coolest it had?

741
00:33:26,733 --> 00:33:30,293
Speaker 2: What they designed had to be so futuristic and cool looking.

742
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Speaker 2: It could have been in the Osborne Book of the

743
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Speaker 2: Future instead of Really, you just need a painted line,

744
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Speaker 2: don't you.

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Speaker 6: For people who know you can chuse the bridge as

746
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Speaker 6: it is now, you don't do anything. You just close

747
00:33:39,413 --> 00:33:41,453
Speaker 6: the west and few lanes or they do it all

748
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Speaker 6: the time. They paint the bridges late on Thursday night

749
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Speaker 6: or whatever. The stuff happens all the time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah on the shore.

751
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Speaker 6: So I've travel of course that bridge thousands of times

752
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Speaker 6: and it's often closed and they do it all the time.

753
00:33:52,053 --> 00:33:53,893
Speaker 6: And yet if you want to close the bridge for

754
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Speaker 6: Brian Tammicky again, you know, I think it's submission, you know,

755
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Speaker 6: whereas it should just be available.

756
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Speaker 4: For the public to use.

757
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Speaker 6: That are very much the off most off pick hour

758
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Speaker 6: I can think of. But I have known convenienced at

759
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Speaker 6: all and a little bit of you know, don't move

760
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Speaker 6: the lane market back.

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Speaker 8: On Saturday night.

762
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Speaker 6: Just leave it where it is and then we've got

763
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Speaker 6: two lanes to use in the morning and then do

764
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Speaker 6: it on a Sunday morning. You know, and for some reason,

765
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Speaker 6: the delay to use the bridge for the people of Auckland,

766
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Speaker 6: it's just impossible.

767
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Speaker 2: You know, where would you get where would you get on?

768
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Speaker 2: So if you were cycling and walking on.

769
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Speaker 6: The beach road, Beach Road on the postanly side right, yeah,

770
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Speaker 6: and you could connect to the to the west west

771
00:34:33,533 --> 00:34:36,813
Speaker 6: Harboro west Haven walkways, it connects to the nicely. And

772
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Speaker 6: now they're in your go for Stafford I think it's

773
00:34:38,973 --> 00:34:42,933
Speaker 6: called or Solfer Point, soft Point Beach and equally the

774
00:34:43,133 --> 00:34:45,613
Speaker 6: golf into the domestic area. You know, they were trying

775
00:34:45,653 --> 00:34:48,613
Speaker 6: to build an off rand that was five stories up

776
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Speaker 6: or something.

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Speaker 8: You know, it's crazy.

778
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Speaker 6: You just need to come down to the bottom and

779
00:34:51,933 --> 00:34:53,853
Speaker 6: you go off there and and look you've already got

780
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Speaker 6: a separation. There might need to be some you know,

781
00:34:56,573 --> 00:34:59,133
Speaker 6: company separation for you know, a couple of hundred meters,

782
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Speaker 6: but they can do that. It's not impossible.

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Speaker 2: See. This is the problem. This is the problem Simon

784
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Speaker 2: with all these cycle initiatives is they always just want

785
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Speaker 2: them to be the flashest, most spectacular thing that will

786
00:35:10,053 --> 00:35:13,373
Speaker 2: get an infrastructure weekly around the world, rather than just

787
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Speaker 2: something that can functionally be used by people. Because I

788
00:35:17,653 --> 00:35:19,212
Speaker 2: think it would be really fun if people, if people

789
00:35:19,213 --> 00:35:22,093
Speaker 2: could if people could cycle to the beach, it would

790
00:35:22,133 --> 00:35:23,173
Speaker 2: be phenomenal, wouldn't it.

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Speaker 6: Just walk and it's quite I've done the jump of

792
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Speaker 6: the bridge and walked up there to the top of it,

793
00:35:27,733 --> 00:35:30,573
Speaker 6: and it's spectacular up there to get there, you know.

794
00:35:30,693 --> 00:35:33,212
Speaker 6: And so and so I think instead of thinking about

795
00:35:33,253 --> 00:35:34,933
Speaker 6: closing the bridge for this, they should just opened the

796
00:35:34,933 --> 00:35:36,973
Speaker 6: bridge and not close it, because you know, they do

797
00:35:37,093 --> 00:35:38,693
Speaker 6: this all the time. And as I say, live on

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00:35:38,733 --> 00:35:40,373
Speaker 6: an all the shore and you drive this afternoon, and

799
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Speaker 6: you drive back across the bridge again on a Thursday

800
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Speaker 6: or even worse than a Friday afternoon, there's a jam

801
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Speaker 6: all out the motorway. And they're doing this for twenty

802
00:35:47,253 --> 00:35:49,253
Speaker 6: years and there's no need for it. You know, they

803
00:35:49,293 --> 00:35:52,093
Speaker 6: could just leave that medium. There's obviously they pay somebody

804
00:35:52,173 --> 00:35:54,493
Speaker 6: to move the bear across, you know, like work, but

805
00:35:54,533 --> 00:35:56,093
Speaker 6: they could live with there now after that is because

806
00:35:56,133 --> 00:35:59,453
Speaker 6: the traffic's equivalent in most directions, and you know, in

807
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Speaker 6: the afternoons these days, makes a lot of sense.

808
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Speaker 2: There was in May of twenty nine, two thousand and nine,

809
00:36:07,253 --> 00:36:10,652
Speaker 2: there was the Get Cross protests where walkers and cyclists

810
00:36:11,053 --> 00:36:13,573
Speaker 2: illegally crossed the Auckland Harbor Bridge to protest the lack

811
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Speaker 2: of walking and cycling pathways, and NCTA had denied official

812
00:36:18,613 --> 00:36:22,013
Speaker 2: access to it. So the most renegade protest that's ever

813
00:36:22,093 --> 00:36:25,773
Speaker 2: been on the Auckland Harbor Bridge was walkers and cyclists

814
00:36:25,933 --> 00:36:28,973
Speaker 2: outlaws protesting for walking and cycling. Back in a mow,

815
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Speaker 2: it is eight to two to two, and I've just

816
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Speaker 2: seen a text that has caught my interest. I'll read

817
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Speaker 2: that out next.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

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Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heath and Tylor Adams

820
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Speaker 1: afternoons news.

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Speaker 2: Talks me five to one.

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Speaker 3: So I mentioned texts before that caught my interest and

823
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Speaker 3: here it is creet me if I'm wrong. But wasn't

824
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Speaker 3: Matt Heath responsible for closing down the Harbor Bridge?

825
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Speaker 2: Oh, it's a good point.

826
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Speaker 10: I did.

827
00:36:54,613 --> 00:36:56,652
Speaker 2: That's a good point. Well spotted text. I did close

828
00:36:56,693 --> 00:36:58,373
Speaker 2: down the Harbor Bridge in two thousand and seven.

829
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Speaker 3: What were you doing?

830
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Speaker 2: I was shooting a movie called The Devil dem two

831
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Speaker 2: and we got rights. We were blowing up a huge

832
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Speaker 2: a car. We're blowing up a car as a massive

833
00:37:06,933 --> 00:37:12,173
Speaker 2: expo explosion down west Haven Way and so the permission

834
00:37:12,213 --> 00:37:15,373
Speaker 2: that we got they had to. They didn't shut the bridge,

835
00:37:15,413 --> 00:37:18,493
Speaker 2: but they police cars came across slowly to slow people

836
00:37:18,533 --> 00:37:20,813
Speaker 2: down while the explosion went off. We had someone on

837
00:37:20,933 --> 00:37:24,053
Speaker 2: rad Island filming it and such an explosion went off

838
00:37:24,093 --> 00:37:26,693
Speaker 2: in west Haven, but the timing went was absolutely the

839
00:37:26,773 --> 00:37:30,133
Speaker 2: timing was wrong. So we set off this huge explosion

840
00:37:30,213 --> 00:37:33,093
Speaker 2: right at time. But you know, the transport people were

841
00:37:33,093 --> 00:37:34,893
Speaker 2: worried that someone would see the explosion and crashed on

842
00:37:34,933 --> 00:37:37,333
Speaker 2: the bridge right because explosion was so brick So we

843
00:37:37,413 --> 00:37:39,813
Speaker 2: had all the explosives set off, set to go off

844
00:37:39,813 --> 00:37:42,333
Speaker 2: at the right time, and they went off, but then

845
00:37:42,813 --> 00:37:45,773
Speaker 2: the police got it wrong, and then so we had

846
00:37:45,813 --> 00:37:47,773
Speaker 2: this huge explosion. It went off. It was massive, It

847
00:37:47,773 --> 00:37:50,173
Speaker 2: was much bigger than we speak to. Actually it was disastrous.

848
00:37:50,613 --> 00:37:54,533
Speaker 2: But then about two minutes later the traffic started slowing

849
00:37:55,213 --> 00:38:02,413
Speaker 2: but no one crashed. Well, what a great discussion. And look,

850
00:38:02,453 --> 00:38:05,373
Speaker 2: in my humble opinion, New Zealanders absolutely have the right

851
00:38:05,453 --> 00:38:07,172
Speaker 2: to protest and it's one of the things that keeps

852
00:38:07,213 --> 00:38:11,453
Speaker 2: our beautiful democracy. He's so alive and honest, but shutting

853
00:38:11,533 --> 00:38:15,253
Speaker 2: down the Harbor Bridge it's just too annoying. Surely anyone

854
00:38:15,413 --> 00:38:18,973
Speaker 2: can make their point loudly without bringing the country's biggest

855
00:38:19,013 --> 00:38:21,253
Speaker 2: piece of infrastructure to a standard.

856
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Speaker 3: So okay, yeah, yeah, just go and prot to someone

857
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Speaker 3: else somehow beautiful sum up? Yep, that was a good

858
00:38:25,853 --> 00:38:28,172
Speaker 3: chat right after two o'clock. If the Internet went down,

859
00:38:28,293 --> 00:38:31,413
Speaker 3: society collapsed, what are the core skills you'd think you'd

860
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Speaker 3: need to rebuild? That's coming up talking with you all afternoon.

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Speaker 1: It's Matt Heathen Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talks.

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Speaker 5: It'd be.

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Speaker 3: Very good afternoon. Do you welcome back into the program?

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Speaker 3: Six parts two Now.

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Speaker 2: Often on the show, I'm accused of using this platform

866
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Speaker 2: that I've been given, and I'm very grateful for for

867
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Speaker 2: my own ends.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, every day you get accused of that I do.

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Speaker 2: I'm either promoting my corporate speaking celebrity speakers, yep, if

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Speaker 2: you want to yep, I think so yep, you know,

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Speaker 2: if you need me to speak and you know, or whatever,

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Speaker 2: pushing my own barrel.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And to that end, I'm looking for a cabinet maker,

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Speaker 2: a cabinet maker from my kitchen.

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Speaker 10: Just a.

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Speaker 2: If you had a cabinet maker that just can go

878
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Speaker 2: in and build all the new drawers and cupboards and

879
00:39:23,733 --> 00:39:26,093
Speaker 2: stuff that's in the kitchen because it's got a great bench,

880
00:39:26,453 --> 00:39:28,133
Speaker 2: it's got a great layout. What kind of bench you

881
00:39:28,413 --> 00:39:29,133
Speaker 2: in my new house?

882
00:39:29,333 --> 00:39:30,333
Speaker 3: Is it a like stone?

883
00:39:30,573 --> 00:39:34,293
Speaker 2: It's granite? Ah, fancy? Is granite fancy?

884
00:39:34,573 --> 00:39:34,812
Speaker 15: Well?

885
00:39:34,973 --> 00:39:36,573
Speaker 3: I mean you don't need a chopping board. You just

886
00:39:36,893 --> 00:39:38,133
Speaker 3: cut it right on there on the granite.

887
00:39:38,333 --> 00:39:40,533
Speaker 2: Yeah it is. It's beautiful. So I don't want that.

888
00:39:40,973 --> 00:39:42,693
Speaker 2: I don't I want to keep that, and I like

889
00:39:42,773 --> 00:39:46,333
Speaker 2: the layout. I just need all the little cupboards fixed

890
00:39:46,333 --> 00:39:48,413
Speaker 2: and stuff. So if you are a if you are

891
00:39:48,453 --> 00:39:51,773
Speaker 2: a cabinet maker that does that kind of stuff, or

892
00:39:52,093 --> 00:39:56,773
Speaker 2: you know a good one that just wants to beaver

893
00:39:56,893 --> 00:40:00,172
Speaker 2: away at my house and sort of make the current

894
00:40:00,293 --> 00:40:05,293
Speaker 2: kitchen beautiful yep. Then this text on nine two nineteen.

895
00:40:05,333 --> 00:40:07,693
Speaker 3: I don't know where these accusations come from. That you

896
00:40:07,853 --> 00:40:11,013
Speaker 3: just used the show to find some good people?

897
00:40:11,693 --> 00:40:12,973
Speaker 2: Is my personal noticeboard?

898
00:40:13,693 --> 00:40:13,893
Speaker 4: Yeah?

899
00:40:13,933 --> 00:40:16,413
Speaker 2: How dare people accuse me that? Just quickly, oh my

900
00:40:16,573 --> 00:40:17,853
Speaker 2: kitchen makeover dot codo.

901
00:40:17,693 --> 00:40:19,172
Speaker 3: And is it okay? There's good good people.

902
00:40:19,173 --> 00:40:19,772
Speaker 2: They're good people.

903
00:40:20,053 --> 00:40:21,733
Speaker 3: Are you after a specific type of wood? Are you

904
00:40:21,773 --> 00:40:23,652
Speaker 3: into a bit of cody? Maybe you know a bit

905
00:40:23,693 --> 00:40:26,213
Speaker 3: of remove remove's hard to find, eatu that's expensive, or

906
00:40:26,453 --> 00:40:28,253
Speaker 3: you're okay with the old MDF as long as it

907
00:40:28,293 --> 00:40:28,692
Speaker 3: looks good.

908
00:40:29,373 --> 00:40:29,573
Speaker 17: Ah.

909
00:40:30,133 --> 00:40:31,613
Speaker 2: Yeah, look that's a good question. I want it to

910
00:40:31,653 --> 00:40:33,973
Speaker 2: be solid. I think I think the most important thing

911
00:40:34,013 --> 00:40:37,973
Speaker 2: when you're putting together a kitchen is that it's that

912
00:40:38,133 --> 00:40:41,813
Speaker 2: everything feels solid. And do you get that with MDF?

913
00:40:42,413 --> 00:40:42,453
Speaker 18: No?

914
00:40:42,693 --> 00:40:44,933
Speaker 3: No, And you can't get it wet because it's true

915
00:40:44,973 --> 00:40:46,493
Speaker 3: and so don't go indief.

916
00:40:46,613 --> 00:40:49,773
Speaker 2: Well there's I'm having moisture around my kitchen. So yeah,

917
00:40:50,213 --> 00:40:50,533
Speaker 2: very good.

918
00:40:50,613 --> 00:40:52,973
Speaker 3: Just quickly, there's text it's already come through. You need

919
00:40:53,293 --> 00:40:56,253
Speaker 3: wabcros in Cambridge who go all over the North Island.

920
00:40:56,333 --> 00:40:59,773
Speaker 3: Oh that's from Allison gofton the famous Chef So she

921
00:40:59,893 --> 00:41:00,653
Speaker 3: knows her kitchens.

922
00:41:01,693 --> 00:41:03,252
Speaker 2: Allison Gofton cook Yeah.

923
00:41:03,653 --> 00:41:03,853
Speaker 4: Ah.

924
00:41:04,533 --> 00:41:07,652
Speaker 2: Celebrities texting our show. How good, it's a nick minute

925
00:41:07,653 --> 00:41:10,773
Speaker 2: guy this morning. Now we'll good. Look I listen texting

926
00:41:10,853 --> 00:41:11,613
Speaker 2: us good all right?

927
00:41:11,693 --> 00:41:12,893
Speaker 3: Nine two nine too, if you can help me mad

928
00:41:12,973 --> 00:41:15,253
Speaker 3: out now, just a reminder at three point thirty our

929
00:41:15,293 --> 00:41:17,933
Speaker 3: employment lawyer Gareth abdenor we'll be back with us to

930
00:41:17,973 --> 00:41:20,933
Speaker 3: answer your questions, whether they're about your job or your staff.

931
00:41:20,973 --> 00:41:23,093
Speaker 3: He's brilliant, he's the man to chat too. So it

932
00:41:23,253 --> 00:41:26,812
Speaker 3: is your chance, obviously to get expert advice absolutely free.

933
00:41:27,133 --> 00:41:30,172
Speaker 3: It pays to get in like right now because it's

934
00:41:30,213 --> 00:41:32,212
Speaker 3: always super popular. So oh eight hundred and eighty ten

935
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Speaker 3: eighty or nine two ninety two will spot those texts

936
00:41:35,613 --> 00:41:37,293
Speaker 3: and get you ready to have a chat with Gareth

937
00:41:37,413 --> 00:41:38,212
Speaker 3: just after three thirty.

938
00:41:38,413 --> 00:41:40,693
Speaker 2: Okay, how good, All right, let's get into this one.

939
00:41:40,733 --> 00:41:41,893
Speaker 2: It's going to be an interesting chat.

940
00:41:41,933 --> 00:41:44,333
Speaker 3: So this was a book that you saw, Matt. But

941
00:41:44,933 --> 00:41:49,453
Speaker 3: the premises if the Internet went down, society collapsed, what

942
00:41:49,613 --> 00:41:52,053
Speaker 3: are the core skills do you think you would need

943
00:41:52,133 --> 00:41:52,653
Speaker 3: to rebuild?

944
00:41:52,973 --> 00:41:55,853
Speaker 2: Yeah? So I was just flicking through my Instagram feed

945
00:41:55,973 --> 00:41:59,093
Speaker 2: like a total wounder who should have shouldn't been online.

946
00:41:59,173 --> 00:42:01,093
Speaker 2: You know, I'm always preaching about getting off social media,

947
00:42:01,093 --> 00:42:02,933
Speaker 2: but then I end up finding myself on there. And

948
00:42:03,053 --> 00:42:05,653
Speaker 2: I saw this advertising for a book, and look, this

949
00:42:05,813 --> 00:42:07,733
Speaker 2: isn't it. This isn't We're not promoting the book. I'm

950
00:42:07,733 --> 00:42:09,493
Speaker 2: not going to give it then of it, you know,

951
00:42:10,133 --> 00:42:14,853
Speaker 2: But the book was just the premises you say, Tyler

952
00:42:15,053 --> 00:42:18,533
Speaker 2: is everything that you need. It says, have you ever

953
00:42:18,573 --> 00:42:23,413
Speaker 2: imagined visiting the past with full knowledge of modern information neutology?

954
00:42:23,493 --> 00:42:25,453
Speaker 2: If you told people from the Middle Ages or agent

955
00:42:25,533 --> 00:42:28,493
Speaker 2: even Egypt about a telephone, a car, or electricity, they

956
00:42:28,533 --> 00:42:32,133
Speaker 2: would take you for a deity or a superhero. But

957
00:42:32,293 --> 00:42:34,133
Speaker 2: do you actually know how many of these things work?

958
00:42:34,693 --> 00:42:36,813
Speaker 2: Crafted entirely bey hand? This book blah blah blah. So

959
00:42:36,893 --> 00:42:40,813
Speaker 2: it's it's it's got everything that you need to know

960
00:42:41,213 --> 00:42:48,413
Speaker 2: in civilization? Should civilization collapse? So right from starting a fire,

961
00:42:48,613 --> 00:42:53,133
Speaker 2: big one, big one. And this is a thought experiment.

962
00:42:53,173 --> 00:42:55,053
Speaker 2: A lot of people have you go back in time

963
00:42:55,133 --> 00:43:00,133
Speaker 2: and you go where I'm from, we have these these

964
00:43:00,333 --> 00:43:03,213
Speaker 2: phones in their pocket and you can and there's videos

965
00:43:03,253 --> 00:43:04,693
Speaker 2: on them, and you can talk to people and they go,

966
00:43:04,773 --> 00:43:06,493
Speaker 2: oh cool, cook, cool. How do you make those don't

967
00:43:06,493 --> 00:43:11,493
Speaker 2: know yep, or you go you know heating, We just

968
00:43:11,573 --> 00:43:15,453
Speaker 2: plugging a device and will heat the house. Are cool?

969
00:43:16,693 --> 00:43:18,893
Speaker 2: How do you how do you make alectristy dinner?

970
00:43:19,613 --> 00:43:19,893
Speaker 5: Magic?

971
00:43:20,333 --> 00:43:20,732
Speaker 3: Just magic?

972
00:43:21,133 --> 00:43:24,773
Speaker 2: Or combustion engine? You know we drive around and horseless carriages?

973
00:43:25,373 --> 00:43:29,293
Speaker 2: How do they work? Don't they just work? So there's

974
00:43:29,373 --> 00:43:35,212
Speaker 2: a higher than zero chants that for whatever reason, civilization

975
00:43:35,333 --> 00:43:38,493
Speaker 2: could collapse. Yep, you could be cut off. I mean

976
00:43:39,293 --> 00:43:40,652
Speaker 2: look what happened in hawks back.

977
00:43:40,933 --> 00:43:41,893
Speaker 3: Yes, very true.

978
00:43:41,933 --> 00:43:43,453
Speaker 2: I mean you can just be cut off for a

979
00:43:43,493 --> 00:43:46,893
Speaker 2: period of time so easily. Yep, no internet, no communication,

980
00:43:47,573 --> 00:43:50,533
Speaker 2: food might not be able to get through that. There's

981
00:43:50,573 --> 00:43:52,493
Speaker 2: all kinds of things that can happen, and that can

982
00:43:52,533 --> 00:43:55,693
Speaker 2: happen localized, or it could happen to the whole country.

983
00:43:56,093 --> 00:43:58,093
Speaker 2: Who knows what's going to go on. It's a tumultuous

984
00:43:58,133 --> 00:43:58,732
Speaker 2: world out there.

985
00:43:58,933 --> 00:43:59,093
Speaker 4: Yep.

986
00:43:59,453 --> 00:44:04,613
Speaker 2: Sun flares, super volcanoes, nuclear war AI AI. Yeah, AI

987
00:44:04,773 --> 00:44:08,453
Speaker 2: might just remove all our technological privileges from.

988
00:44:08,813 --> 00:44:10,773
Speaker 3: Shut it down the internet and said no more Internet

989
00:44:10,813 --> 00:44:11,373
Speaker 3: for you humans.

990
00:44:11,453 --> 00:44:11,613
Speaker 10: Yeah.

991
00:44:11,773 --> 00:44:16,613
Speaker 2: And so people now generally speaking, and this is happening

992
00:44:16,773 --> 00:44:18,373
Speaker 2: more and more as you go down the generations.

993
00:44:18,853 --> 00:44:21,493
Speaker 3: My boomer dad, he can do a lot of stuff. Yep,

994
00:44:21,933 --> 00:44:22,853
Speaker 3: he's very capable.

995
00:44:23,013 --> 00:44:26,253
Speaker 2: He can start fires, build things, whatever he needs to do.

996
00:44:27,293 --> 00:44:31,293
Speaker 2: I can do less, and by a huge fold of

997
00:44:31,333 --> 00:44:33,652
Speaker 2: my own, my kids can do even less than me. Yep,

998
00:44:33,733 --> 00:44:35,413
Speaker 2: and their kids. If this is going this way, we'll

999
00:44:35,413 --> 00:44:37,853
Speaker 2: be able to do even less practical things.

1000
00:44:37,933 --> 00:44:38,053
Speaker 5: Right.

1001
00:44:38,213 --> 00:44:41,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, the skill tree starts to diminish. Show the generations.

1002
00:44:41,573 --> 00:44:43,533
Speaker 3: He taught you how to bury a horse, though, no.

1003
00:44:43,613 --> 00:44:45,333
Speaker 2: He taught me the bad way to bear a horse.

1004
00:44:45,453 --> 00:44:48,693
Speaker 2: He didn't as on the show yesterday, father buried a

1005
00:44:48,773 --> 00:44:50,973
Speaker 2: horse and one of the hoofs was sticking out. Had

1006
00:44:51,013 --> 00:44:52,652
Speaker 2: to saw the hoof off. But that's a different yea.

1007
00:44:53,013 --> 00:44:55,453
Speaker 3: Anyway, it's a skill, but you know some work needed

1008
00:44:55,493 --> 00:44:55,653
Speaker 3: on it.

1009
00:44:55,733 --> 00:44:57,253
Speaker 2: You can't work out that the whole has to be

1010
00:44:57,293 --> 00:45:01,053
Speaker 2: as big as the horse saving you. But what are

1011
00:45:01,053 --> 00:45:05,013
Speaker 2: the key things that you think that everyone should know

1012
00:45:06,253 --> 00:45:09,893
Speaker 2: and not look it up on YouTube and not if

1013
00:45:09,893 --> 00:45:12,173
Speaker 2: the internet's gone, that everyone should know?

1014
00:45:12,453 --> 00:45:12,573
Speaker 5: Is it?

1015
00:45:12,853 --> 00:45:15,533
Speaker 2: Is it hunting? You know how to get food out

1016
00:45:15,573 --> 00:45:18,453
Speaker 2: of the bush? Is it how a combustion engine works?

1017
00:45:19,493 --> 00:45:20,053
Speaker 4: What do you know?

1018
00:45:20,213 --> 00:45:22,453
Speaker 2: What are you teaching your kids? What should you teach

1019
00:45:22,453 --> 00:45:25,252
Speaker 2: your kids? What should you teach yourself? The their bear

1020
00:45:25,453 --> 00:45:30,573
Speaker 2: basics to survive an emergency or God forbid, full civilization collapse.

1021
00:45:30,653 --> 00:45:32,013
Speaker 3: This is going to be good. Oh, eight one hundred

1022
00:45:32,133 --> 00:45:34,453
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is that number to call? Nine to

1023
00:45:34,773 --> 00:45:37,373
Speaker 3: ninety two is the text number. Let's get into it.

1024
00:45:37,653 --> 00:45:39,013
Speaker 3: It is thirteen past two.

1025
00:45:40,933 --> 00:45:45,773
Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon Talk, mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call, Oh,

1026
00:45:45,853 --> 00:45:48,133
Speaker 1: eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth Talk.

1027
00:45:47,973 --> 00:45:48,333
Speaker 5: Said, be.

1028
00:45:50,373 --> 00:45:52,692
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon to you, sixteen past two. So if

1029
00:45:52,733 --> 00:45:55,973
Speaker 3: the Internet went down, all that knowledge and society started

1030
00:45:56,013 --> 00:45:58,493
Speaker 3: to collapse, what skills do you think would be essential

1031
00:45:58,973 --> 00:46:01,013
Speaker 3: for you to not only survive, but to rebuild.

1032
00:46:03,333 --> 00:46:05,093
Speaker 2: I'm not going to survive. I can't even manage turning

1033
00:46:05,133 --> 00:46:05,933
Speaker 2: away on microphone on.

1034
00:46:06,013 --> 00:46:06,973
Speaker 3: You don't need the Internet for that.

1035
00:46:09,453 --> 00:46:12,773
Speaker 2: What a bunch of alarmist bs is this? Texas civilization

1036
00:46:12,933 --> 00:46:17,853
Speaker 2: isn't going to end. You are just scaremongering your listeners. Well,

1037
00:46:18,133 --> 00:46:21,333
Speaker 2: you don't know. Civilizations have risen and fallen in the past. Yep,

1038
00:46:21,613 --> 00:46:24,373
Speaker 2: And some people argue that they may have risen and

1039
00:46:24,493 --> 00:46:27,253
Speaker 2: fallen many many times. In fact, I saw this documentary

1040
00:46:27,453 --> 00:46:32,013
Speaker 2: on how soon absolutely everything from a civilization can disappear.

1041
00:46:32,213 --> 00:46:35,692
Speaker 2: There's only a few things that would survive more than

1042
00:46:35,733 --> 00:46:40,293
Speaker 2: about fifty to sixty thousand years, right, and they are

1043
00:46:41,013 --> 00:46:44,093
Speaker 2: things that we're doing around altering atoms. But you know,

1044
00:46:44,453 --> 00:46:46,453
Speaker 2: whole civilizations can just just disappear.

1045
00:46:46,533 --> 00:46:48,813
Speaker 3: So it's happened before, and I've got to say, I

1046
00:46:48,853 --> 00:46:51,652
Speaker 3: would say we are probably the weakest we've ever been.

1047
00:46:51,733 --> 00:46:54,573
Speaker 3: We're so reliant on all these things. Hence why we're

1048
00:46:54,613 --> 00:46:57,493
Speaker 3: having this discussion that of society did go down if

1049
00:46:57,493 --> 00:46:59,772
Speaker 3: it happened one hundred years ago, I'd beck those guys,

1050
00:46:59,853 --> 00:47:02,173
Speaker 3: those guys were practical there to know how. But we

1051
00:47:02,333 --> 00:47:04,373
Speaker 3: are weak, weak people these days. We don't know anything.

1052
00:47:04,693 --> 00:47:07,653
Speaker 2: How would the people go that get injured by words

1053
00:47:08,613 --> 00:47:14,533
Speaker 2: and civilization collapse a bunch of marauding I don't know,

1054
00:47:14,733 --> 00:47:17,333
Speaker 2: post apocalyp But warriors on horseback turn up at your

1055
00:47:17,333 --> 00:47:22,172
Speaker 2: house and you're offended because they call you the wrong word. Yeah,

1056
00:47:22,213 --> 00:47:25,172
Speaker 2: there's no safe space for that, No, a guys, Food

1057
00:47:25,213 --> 00:47:27,933
Speaker 2: shout and security. Security is all you need. Know how

1058
00:47:28,053 --> 00:47:30,413
Speaker 2: to grow catch food, click water, and to cook it

1059
00:47:30,613 --> 00:47:33,053
Speaker 2: or preserve all of it. Know how to build a

1060
00:47:33,133 --> 00:47:35,493
Speaker 2: shelter and know how to defend that. That is all

1061
00:47:35,653 --> 00:47:36,013
Speaker 2: you need.

1062
00:47:36,573 --> 00:47:39,773
Speaker 3: Good text, see that is the scary thing about civilization

1063
00:47:40,093 --> 00:47:44,573
Speaker 3: collapse is that it's not just it's not just sustenance

1064
00:47:44,613 --> 00:47:48,413
Speaker 3: you need, but you also what's it called a hobbsy

1065
00:47:48,453 --> 00:47:50,253
Speaker 3: and nightmare? I don't know what is that?

1066
00:47:50,653 --> 00:47:56,053
Speaker 2: Well, it's I'll get the quote what life without civilization?

1067
00:47:56,253 --> 00:47:59,693
Speaker 2: It's brutal and short. There is an exact there's an

1068
00:47:59,733 --> 00:48:02,253
Speaker 2: exact quote I'll get. So you know, whenever you watch

1069
00:48:02,293 --> 00:48:06,253
Speaker 2: those prepare shows, a big part of it is security.

1070
00:48:07,493 --> 00:48:09,093
Speaker 3: Mark are you the stuff today?

1071
00:48:11,573 --> 00:48:12,172
Speaker 4: Yeah? Good? Good?

1072
00:48:12,213 --> 00:48:12,733
Speaker 3: What are you reckon?

1073
00:48:14,013 --> 00:48:18,613
Speaker 19: Well, if society is gonna hit ship HiT's a fan.

1074
00:48:19,493 --> 00:48:23,373
Speaker 19: I think, realistically, what's the most human need that we need?

1075
00:48:23,533 --> 00:48:25,653
Speaker 19: It's it's food, water.

1076
00:48:25,573 --> 00:48:26,733
Speaker 8: And shelter, m h.

1077
00:48:28,013 --> 00:48:31,293
Speaker 19: As long as you know how to procure those things.

1078
00:48:31,933 --> 00:48:36,213
Speaker 19: Stuff happens in cases of emergency. But I think you

1079
00:48:36,293 --> 00:48:39,013
Speaker 19: know you I'm a bocher for trade, and I live

1080
00:48:39,973 --> 00:48:42,093
Speaker 19: on a farm and all that sort of stuff and

1081
00:48:42,413 --> 00:48:45,453
Speaker 19: grow up in the outdoors, so you know, as long

1082
00:48:45,493 --> 00:48:47,853
Speaker 19: as you know how to get stup there and see

1083
00:48:48,893 --> 00:48:52,893
Speaker 19: hunt stuff for pair stuff and all that sort of stuff, realistically,

1084
00:48:53,013 --> 00:48:55,692
Speaker 19: it's going to be if ship did hit the fan,

1085
00:48:56,133 --> 00:48:58,773
Speaker 19: it's going to realistically be survival strong.

1086
00:49:00,213 --> 00:49:01,813
Speaker 8: But you know what I mean, and you did.

1087
00:49:01,893 --> 00:49:06,253
Speaker 19: What about the generations of the past, They, as I

1088
00:49:06,293 --> 00:49:09,533
Speaker 19: sort of said, they didn't grow up with technology. You know,

1089
00:49:09,733 --> 00:49:13,293
Speaker 19: they knew what hard times were. They were hard grafters. Today,

1090
00:49:13,853 --> 00:49:16,453
Speaker 19: I can sort of see certain generations get weeded out

1091
00:49:16,493 --> 00:49:20,013
Speaker 19: pretty quickly because it will be control for.

1092
00:49:20,453 --> 00:49:22,172
Speaker 8: Water, food and resources.

1093
00:49:22,293 --> 00:49:24,853
Speaker 19: And if you watch all those programs and movies or

1094
00:49:24,853 --> 00:49:28,893
Speaker 19: whatever it is about a popular actview or you know

1095
00:49:29,053 --> 00:49:32,893
Speaker 19: how that breaks and society to ship. Basically it will

1096
00:49:32,933 --> 00:49:36,373
Speaker 19: be you know, survive or the strong because a little

1097
00:49:36,453 --> 00:49:39,573
Speaker 19: quickly weed out the weak ones that are that aren't

1098
00:49:39,613 --> 00:49:42,133
Speaker 19: prepared and still rely on mom and dad to their bums.

1099
00:49:44,013 --> 00:49:46,573
Speaker 2: Do you think what about so you talk about those

1100
00:49:46,773 --> 00:49:49,573
Speaker 2: kind of things, there's you know, security, you know, source

1101
00:49:49,613 --> 00:49:53,733
Speaker 2: of food. What about upkeeping the technology that still exists

1102
00:49:54,333 --> 00:49:57,133
Speaker 2: so well, like a combustion engine? Do you think people

1103
00:49:57,133 --> 00:50:00,453
Speaker 2: should should should all know how to repair a combustion engine,

1104
00:50:00,773 --> 00:50:03,053
Speaker 2: a you know, a generator, that kind of thing.

1105
00:50:04,853 --> 00:50:05,973
Speaker 8: I think you should know that.

1106
00:50:06,053 --> 00:50:09,093
Speaker 19: You should know the basics, you know, because it'll be

1107
00:50:09,093 --> 00:50:11,293
Speaker 19: a fight for fuel if we don't have the electricity,

1108
00:50:11,413 --> 00:50:13,253
Speaker 19: fuel parts don't work, so you've got to be a

1109
00:50:13,373 --> 00:50:16,213
Speaker 19: nap of not knowing how to come up with ideas,

1110
00:50:16,253 --> 00:50:19,733
Speaker 19: how to extract fuel, how to extract water, how to

1111
00:50:19,853 --> 00:50:21,973
Speaker 19: make a fishing line. You know, like there'll be a

1112
00:50:22,013 --> 00:50:24,813
Speaker 19: lot of people saying, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, going to happen.

1113
00:50:24,613 --> 00:50:25,173
Speaker 8: And stuff like that.

1114
00:50:25,333 --> 00:50:30,253
Speaker 19: But you know the world's pining a matter of you know,

1115
00:50:30,773 --> 00:50:32,853
Speaker 19: we're the next wards are going to be for. It's

1116
00:50:32,893 --> 00:50:38,573
Speaker 19: not going to be fought over. So unless you're pretty

1117
00:50:38,613 --> 00:50:42,573
Speaker 19: handy trying to survival, and you're pretty handy, I'm not

1118
00:50:42,853 --> 00:50:45,773
Speaker 19: saying people should go out and learn how to kill

1119
00:50:45,813 --> 00:50:48,733
Speaker 19: animals and learn how to use firearms, but you know,

1120
00:50:48,853 --> 00:50:52,693
Speaker 19: if you're not practical and you rely on society to

1121
00:50:52,773 --> 00:50:55,093
Speaker 19: do everything for you when you're not going to survive,

1122
00:50:55,853 --> 00:50:56,013
Speaker 19: do you.

1123
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Speaker 2: Think there would be a period? There to be a

1124
00:50:57,493 --> 00:51:00,133
Speaker 2: period mark right at the start, so people go, well,

1125
00:51:00,253 --> 00:51:02,933
Speaker 2: you know, I could learn this stuff over time, but

1126
00:51:03,933 --> 00:51:05,853
Speaker 2: you feel like when it collapsed, there would be a

1127
00:51:05,973 --> 00:51:08,333
Speaker 2: very short window where you'd have to sort out your pat.

1128
00:51:09,853 --> 00:51:10,333
Speaker 4: Oh a lot.

1129
00:51:11,653 --> 00:51:13,533
Speaker 19: If it collapses, what's the first I'm going to do.

1130
00:51:13,693 --> 00:51:18,933
Speaker 19: Everyone's going to ramsackle the supermarkets and take everything and

1131
00:51:19,293 --> 00:51:21,853
Speaker 19: and basically, you know, it'll be right for a couple

1132
00:51:21,893 --> 00:51:24,732
Speaker 19: of months because people have supplies, but once things start

1133
00:51:24,813 --> 00:51:27,053
Speaker 19: running out, what's going to happen next? And we're going

1134
00:51:27,133 --> 00:51:30,093
Speaker 19: to start remraating farms and then you know you're going

1135
00:51:30,133 --> 00:51:33,213
Speaker 19: to have it's always people. You know, you're going to

1136
00:51:33,293 --> 00:51:35,813
Speaker 19: have the gang start controlling things because you know, the

1137
00:51:35,853 --> 00:51:41,413
Speaker 19: police society just collapses. There's no there's no role as yeah.

1138
00:51:44,613 --> 00:51:47,133
Speaker 3: Oh I think we've lost it there. Yeah, you were

1139
00:51:47,173 --> 00:51:49,533
Speaker 3: just lost it there for a bit. Mark Hopefully it's stabilizers,

1140
00:51:49,613 --> 00:51:51,933
Speaker 3: but I always think of and it's slightly different. It's

1141
00:51:51,973 --> 00:51:55,573
Speaker 3: not dystopian, but it's certainly a man trying to survive

1142
00:51:55,853 --> 00:51:57,413
Speaker 3: just by himself. And I know it's a movie, but

1143
00:51:57,533 --> 00:51:59,773
Speaker 3: cast Away with Tom Hanks and obviously he's got to

1144
00:51:59,853 --> 00:52:02,573
Speaker 3: learn how to spare fish and he becomes pretty proficient

1145
00:52:02,613 --> 00:52:04,533
Speaker 3: at that as the movie goes on. But the one

1146
00:52:04,573 --> 00:52:06,053
Speaker 3: thing that always gets me is when he gets the

1147
00:52:06,133 --> 00:52:08,613
Speaker 3: rotten tooth. And I always think that's what people for get,

1148
00:52:08,733 --> 00:52:11,573
Speaker 3: is how to not just first date, but how to

1149
00:52:11,733 --> 00:52:14,413
Speaker 3: solve any injury or fix any injury that you get,

1150
00:52:14,533 --> 00:52:17,213
Speaker 3: or medicines you may need. Because when his tooth got rotten,

1151
00:52:17,253 --> 00:52:18,733
Speaker 3: if he didn't pull that thing out, that would have

1152
00:52:18,773 --> 00:52:21,413
Speaker 3: been the end of it, of course.

1153
00:52:21,533 --> 00:52:23,413
Speaker 8: I mean today you're going to be prepared. You might

1154
00:52:23,493 --> 00:52:27,653
Speaker 8: be prepared to make you know, it's going to be

1155
00:52:27,733 --> 00:52:31,653
Speaker 8: fair game, but you know it will probably happen.

1156
00:52:31,533 --> 00:52:35,133
Speaker 19: Eventually, and as I said, hopefully not my time. But

1157
00:52:35,893 --> 00:52:39,453
Speaker 19: you're better be prepared to be you know, get out

1158
00:52:39,493 --> 00:52:42,493
Speaker 19: there and fiend for yourself, because I was you know,

1159
00:52:42,613 --> 00:52:43,933
Speaker 19: all the vegans are going to be food.

1160
00:52:44,013 --> 00:52:50,733
Speaker 2: So childbirth will be a thing. Yeah, you know, in

1161
00:52:50,893 --> 00:52:53,213
Speaker 2: the childbirths that I've been involved in and just as

1162
00:52:53,213 --> 00:52:57,653
Speaker 2: an observer in a contributor start, but anyway, get a

1163
00:52:57,693 --> 00:52:58,172
Speaker 2: part to play.

1164
00:52:58,333 --> 00:52:58,533
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1165
00:52:59,213 --> 00:53:05,373
Speaker 2: The amount of resources that were deployed towards childbirth phenomenal. Yeah,

1166
00:53:05,813 --> 00:53:08,133
Speaker 2: you know that that's that's that poor.

1167
00:53:08,373 --> 00:53:10,812
Speaker 3: They would be terrifying. Yeah, having to do that without

1168
00:53:10,893 --> 00:53:12,613
Speaker 3: all that medical equipment and doctors around.

1169
00:53:12,813 --> 00:53:15,973
Speaker 2: The quote I was looking for was from Thomas Hobbes

1170
00:53:16,013 --> 00:53:21,533
Speaker 2: who in his absolute classic The Leviathan from in the

1171
00:53:21,613 --> 00:53:24,053
Speaker 2: seventeenth century, I think was written in sixteen fifty one.

1172
00:53:24,653 --> 00:53:27,453
Speaker 2: So he described human existence in the absence of strong

1173
00:53:27,493 --> 00:53:30,973
Speaker 2: government as solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short.

1174
00:53:31,813 --> 00:53:32,653
Speaker 3: It's a good summary.

1175
00:53:33,013 --> 00:53:35,333
Speaker 2: It's a very good summary, because right now we outsource

1176
00:53:35,653 --> 00:53:39,613
Speaker 2: violence to the government, right, so everyone stays in line.

1177
00:53:40,773 --> 00:53:45,013
Speaker 2: But you know, in civilization collapse then, as Mar says,

1178
00:53:45,693 --> 00:53:48,373
Speaker 2: survival of the strongest, And there's a lot of people

1179
00:53:48,413 --> 00:53:50,933
Speaker 2: walking around that are the opposite of strong at the moment.

1180
00:53:51,013 --> 00:53:53,693
Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty terrifying. It is twenty four past two. What

1181
00:53:53,813 --> 00:53:56,693
Speaker 3: are the skills you think would be essential if the

1182
00:53:56,773 --> 00:53:59,973
Speaker 3: Internet and society started to collapse? It is twenty four past.

1183
00:53:59,773 --> 00:54:07,293
Speaker 1: Two, matd. Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred

1184
00:54:07,293 --> 00:54:09,293
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty on used talk, sa'd be.

1185
00:54:09,573 --> 00:54:11,773
Speaker 3: Twenty seven pas too. So if you can rely on

1186
00:54:11,853 --> 00:54:14,333
Speaker 3: the Internet and all that knowledge and society started to

1187
00:54:14,413 --> 00:54:16,812
Speaker 3: fall apart, what are the basic skills you think you'd

1188
00:54:16,893 --> 00:54:18,653
Speaker 3: need to at least survive?

1189
00:54:19,173 --> 00:54:21,013
Speaker 2: This text says people need to know how to look

1190
00:54:21,053 --> 00:54:24,333
Speaker 2: after basic infection and the importance of sanitation e g.

1191
00:54:24,493 --> 00:54:27,653
Speaker 2: A simple splinter in the finger with infection setting and

1192
00:54:27,853 --> 00:54:31,613
Speaker 2: can kill you due to blood poisoning. That's from here

1193
00:54:31,653 --> 00:54:33,773
Speaker 2: they yeah, in this in this thing that God is

1194
00:54:33,813 --> 00:54:36,973
Speaker 2: talking about. It this the book it's called with all

1195
00:54:37,013 --> 00:54:39,773
Speaker 2: this advice and it's how to make It teaches you

1196
00:54:39,813 --> 00:54:43,013
Speaker 2: how to make penicillin, right, So that is a good

1197
00:54:43,093 --> 00:54:46,013
Speaker 2: tip yes, that would be handy oh.

1198
00:54:46,013 --> 00:54:47,453
Speaker 3: Eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty to number to

1199
00:54:47,533 --> 00:54:50,213
Speaker 3: call get a rob heahkoddy.

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00:54:50,973 --> 00:54:53,732
Speaker 20: Just a thought as opposed to like a political event

1201
00:54:53,933 --> 00:54:58,013
Speaker 20: or something that bringing society down. Google a Cambrian event

1202
00:54:58,373 --> 00:55:03,533
Speaker 20: or gamma radiation burst that would have effected knocking out

1203
00:55:03,533 --> 00:55:06,733
Speaker 20: all the satellites, your cell phones, computer chips in the

1204
00:55:06,813 --> 00:55:07,533
Speaker 20: car and all.

1205
00:55:07,413 --> 00:55:08,013
Speaker 4: That sort of thing.

1206
00:55:08,693 --> 00:55:11,692
Speaker 20: So you know, you talk about schools, you would need

1207
00:55:11,773 --> 00:55:15,973
Speaker 20: you think about like places like Cappadocia and like they're

1208
00:55:15,973 --> 00:55:19,652
Speaker 20: read American Indians that were living in those in those

1209
00:55:19,733 --> 00:55:22,733
Speaker 20: little stone houses that were set right into the canyon

1210
00:55:22,813 --> 00:55:26,173
Speaker 20: walls and places like that, you know, for protection and

1211
00:55:27,053 --> 00:55:31,933
Speaker 20: from from the other thieves possibly and and also radiation

1212
00:55:32,253 --> 00:55:35,333
Speaker 20: from above would certainly put the cat among the vigeons.

1213
00:55:35,933 --> 00:55:38,093
Speaker 2: So what exactly is the Cambrian.

1214
00:55:38,773 --> 00:55:41,293
Speaker 20: If you google? If you if you google it, it

1215
00:55:41,413 --> 00:55:46,133
Speaker 20: looks like it's sort of a an EMS pulse of

1216
00:55:46,173 --> 00:55:49,293
Speaker 20: a bit of description, like right now there's probably a

1217
00:55:49,413 --> 00:55:52,813
Speaker 20: million astrologists with their hands in their face with my description.

1218
00:55:53,333 --> 00:55:57,293
Speaker 20: But it's like gamma radiation like hitting hitting the like

1219
00:55:57,373 --> 00:56:00,493
Speaker 20: a collapse of other sun or something like that, and

1220
00:56:00,573 --> 00:56:03,813
Speaker 20: it shoots the energy out and like the Earth's been

1221
00:56:03,893 --> 00:56:06,413
Speaker 20: hit with one like a gazillion years ago and it

1222
00:56:06,573 --> 00:56:09,773
Speaker 20: like wiped out everything right like into the water a

1223
00:56:09,853 --> 00:56:12,413
Speaker 20: met a deep, everything on the land and below. It's

1224
00:56:12,493 --> 00:56:15,253
Speaker 20: like one of the fifth, you know, one of the

1225
00:56:15,373 --> 00:56:19,053
Speaker 20: five big extinctions that the Earth has gone through. But

1226
00:56:19,213 --> 00:56:21,453
Speaker 20: I'd say, what the skill I would I would go

1227
00:56:21,613 --> 00:56:25,053
Speaker 20: forward v housing, like, how do you protect yourself from

1228
00:56:25,133 --> 00:56:27,693
Speaker 20: something like that? And like one of your one of

1229
00:56:27,773 --> 00:56:31,533
Speaker 20: your callers earlier was saying, it protect yourself from thieves,

1230
00:56:31,573 --> 00:56:34,373
Speaker 20: people who want to raid your raid what you've got.

1231
00:56:34,973 --> 00:56:38,732
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that was just just thought, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1232
00:56:38,733 --> 00:56:41,053
Speaker 2: I'm going to read up on the Cambrian I've looked

1233
00:56:41,093 --> 00:56:43,533
Speaker 2: it up. It's quite complicated. So five hundred and forty

1234
00:56:43,533 --> 00:56:47,133
Speaker 2: one million years ago, so boy boy, that killed nearly everything.

1235
00:56:48,173 --> 00:56:52,213
Speaker 20: Yeah, yeah, certainly did. But there was one about the

1236
00:56:52,253 --> 00:56:57,213
Speaker 20: eighteen hundreds where there was some some event that hit

1237
00:56:57,253 --> 00:57:00,493
Speaker 20: the sphere and it glowed goodness me like in the

1238
00:57:00,533 --> 00:57:02,292
Speaker 20: middle of it, like you could do it could cast

1239
00:57:02,413 --> 00:57:04,053
Speaker 20: shadow and all this type of thing. It was actually

1240
00:57:04,573 --> 00:57:07,172
Speaker 20: really like really quite interesting if you if you get

1241
00:57:07,213 --> 00:57:07,453
Speaker 20: into it.

1242
00:57:07,613 --> 00:57:10,413
Speaker 3: Yeah, all the electrical grid and all the satellites and

1243
00:57:10,413 --> 00:57:12,613
Speaker 3: everything else is that part of it, isn't it right?

1244
00:57:12,853 --> 00:57:13,053
Speaker 13: Yeah?

1245
00:57:13,093 --> 00:57:16,253
Speaker 3: That would that would cause collapse very quickly.

1246
00:57:17,053 --> 00:57:19,653
Speaker 20: Yeah, like in the eighteen hundreds through little like there

1247
00:57:19,733 --> 00:57:21,613
Speaker 20: might be the old lightning rod or something like that,

1248
00:57:22,133 --> 00:57:25,133
Speaker 20: but everything was horse and cart. Now we're so interdependent,

1249
00:57:25,733 --> 00:57:29,613
Speaker 20: missed networks everywhere or chip in the car to control

1250
00:57:29,693 --> 00:57:31,973
Speaker 20: your you know too probe and all the rest of it.

1251
00:57:32,133 --> 00:57:34,933
Speaker 20: It would bake all that, just knock out all the programming.

1252
00:57:35,013 --> 00:57:37,693
Speaker 20: So it would be hopefully back to a good old

1253
00:57:37,813 --> 00:57:39,293
Speaker 20: valiant charge or something like that.

1254
00:57:40,933 --> 00:57:41,373
Speaker 3: Mad Max.

1255
00:57:42,693 --> 00:57:44,373
Speaker 2: Some of those tractors up at the beach that you

1256
00:57:44,453 --> 00:57:49,013
Speaker 2: can actually fix, you know, would be would suddenly be

1257
00:57:49,093 --> 00:57:53,013
Speaker 2: very valuable. You're you know, because right now a lot

1258
00:57:53,053 --> 00:57:55,693
Speaker 2: of mechanics is just pulling out boards and replacing it

1259
00:57:55,773 --> 00:57:56,293
Speaker 2: with other boards.

1260
00:57:56,413 --> 00:57:57,533
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, a lot of chips.

1261
00:57:58,173 --> 00:58:00,493
Speaker 2: I'd be sweet. My mum's got a two thousand acres

1262
00:58:00,493 --> 00:58:02,973
Speaker 2: station food for the next thirty years until a bunch

1263
00:58:03,013 --> 00:58:07,173
Speaker 2: of post apocalyptic warriors turn up with swords and sandals

1264
00:58:07,253 --> 00:58:08,253
Speaker 2: and spears, and.

1265
00:58:08,573 --> 00:58:11,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll find it. If you've got food. O one

1266
00:58:11,413 --> 00:58:13,453
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1267
00:58:13,693 --> 00:58:16,253
Speaker 2: Don't forget a third of women died from childbirth prior

1268
00:58:16,333 --> 00:58:20,573
Speaker 2: to World War One. Wow, and death before penicillin Yeah,

1269
00:58:20,973 --> 00:58:21,573
Speaker 2: oh my goodness.

1270
00:58:21,613 --> 00:58:24,013
Speaker 3: I mean the discovery of penicillin change the game, no

1271
00:58:24,093 --> 00:58:26,573
Speaker 3: doubt about it. And if we lost that, the first

1272
00:58:26,613 --> 00:58:28,533
Speaker 3: thing you need to learn is how to load a shotgun.

1273
00:58:28,773 --> 00:58:31,093
Speaker 2: See. That's the depressing thing about the collapse of civilization,

1274
00:58:31,493 --> 00:58:34,053
Speaker 2: as you would hope that all humans would work together

1275
00:58:34,493 --> 00:58:38,413
Speaker 2: to try and rebuild civilization. But the first thing that

1276
00:58:38,533 --> 00:58:40,773
Speaker 2: happens as everyone tries to grab everything off everyone else.

1277
00:58:40,893 --> 00:58:41,053
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1278
00:58:41,173 --> 00:58:44,373
Speaker 3: Yeah, history would prove otherwise. All right, headlines coming up

1279
00:58:44,413 --> 00:58:47,333
Speaker 3: then taking more of your calls of society went down?

1280
00:58:47,373 --> 00:58:49,573
Speaker 3: The internet went down. What are the basic skills you

1281
00:58:49,693 --> 00:58:52,173
Speaker 3: think you would need to get your heads back in the.

1282
00:58:52,173 --> 00:58:56,333
Speaker 1: My you talk? Said the headlines?

1283
00:58:56,453 --> 00:58:59,733
Speaker 13: What blue bubble taxis? It's no trouble with a blue bubble.

1284
00:59:00,253 --> 00:59:03,973
Speaker 13: The Reserve Bank has done as economist expected and slashed

1285
00:59:04,093 --> 00:59:06,653
Speaker 13: the official cash rate to two point twenty five percent,

1286
00:59:07,133 --> 00:59:12,173
Speaker 13: slicing off another five basis points. The Cooperative Banks quickly responded,

1287
00:59:12,533 --> 00:59:15,493
Speaker 13: lowering its floating rate to four point nine nine percent.

1288
00:59:16,533 --> 00:59:20,453
Speaker 13: The Government has introduced the Infrastructure Funding and Financing Amendment

1289
00:59:20,533 --> 00:59:24,653
Speaker 13: Bill to Parliament, whose stated aim is simplifying levy approvals

1290
00:59:25,053 --> 00:59:29,413
Speaker 13: and making more projects eligible. That includes Enzta or Kiwi

1291
00:59:29,573 --> 00:59:35,053
Speaker 13: rail projects and infrastructure for new water services organizations. The

1292
00:59:35,133 --> 00:59:38,213
Speaker 13: PSA is urging Wellington City Council to reject to a

1293
00:59:38,293 --> 00:59:41,973
Speaker 13: Deloitte report claiming shedding three hundred and thirty full time

1294
00:59:42,053 --> 00:59:45,693
Speaker 13: employees could save it up to thirty seven million dollars.

1295
00:59:46,733 --> 00:59:50,453
Speaker 13: Rhythm and Alps Festival will run next year, with organizers

1296
00:59:50,493 --> 00:59:54,093
Speaker 13: saying despite cancelations from One Love and Woe Mad, they

1297
00:59:54,173 --> 00:59:58,013
Speaker 13: hope the worst economic setbacks are over. A woman from

1298
00:59:58,053 --> 01:00:00,973
Speaker 13: the small Bay of Plenty town of Covido has claimed

1299
01:00:01,013 --> 01:00:04,693
Speaker 13: the final eighteen point three million dollar Loto prize from

1300
01:00:04,773 --> 01:00:08,853
Speaker 13: last week's Must Be One Draw. Playing with our Lives

1301
01:00:09,373 --> 01:00:14,133
Speaker 13: ex Blackcaps recount fatal stadium collapse thirty years on. You

1302
01:00:14,213 --> 01:00:16,893
Speaker 13: can see the story at NZ Herald Premium. Back to

1303
01:00:17,093 --> 01:00:18,693
Speaker 13: matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

1304
01:00:18,453 --> 01:00:21,453
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Railian. So we are discussing if

1305
01:00:21,493 --> 01:00:23,853
Speaker 3: the Internet went down, society started to fall apart, what

1306
01:00:24,053 --> 01:00:27,413
Speaker 3: are the key skills you'd need to one survive but

1307
01:00:27,533 --> 01:00:29,653
Speaker 3: also start to rebuild our one hundred and eighteen eighties.

1308
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Speaker 3: The number to call this Texas is in the end,

1309
01:00:31,413 --> 01:00:33,773
Speaker 3: being ruthless is what you need to survive. That's from

1310
01:00:33,973 --> 01:00:35,453
Speaker 3: ed goes a long way.

1311
01:00:35,493 --> 01:00:37,733
Speaker 2: How do you teach yourself to be ruthless, or your

1312
01:00:37,813 --> 01:00:41,013
Speaker 2: kids to be ruthless, or your partner to be ruthless?

1313
01:00:41,573 --> 01:00:43,093
Speaker 3: Just you make you just find that out when you

1314
01:00:43,133 --> 01:00:45,453
Speaker 3: get put in a situation where it's you or somebody else.

1315
01:00:45,573 --> 01:00:48,333
Speaker 2: Right, Well, yeah, but this is getting ready, This is

1316
01:00:48,413 --> 01:00:52,133
Speaker 2: being ready for the worst. So you have to start

1317
01:00:52,173 --> 01:00:54,373
Speaker 2: being ruthless just in day to day life and preparation

1318
01:00:54,573 --> 01:00:58,733
Speaker 2: for having to be ruthless when civilization collapses. Gary, Welcome

1319
01:00:58,773 --> 01:00:59,133
Speaker 2: to the show.

1320
01:01:00,453 --> 01:01:03,533
Speaker 21: Thanks guys. I get to figure outside the square, just

1321
01:01:03,613 --> 01:01:07,173
Speaker 21: to look at leadership, because in chaos, everone turns to

1322
01:01:07,653 --> 01:01:13,013
Speaker 21: find someone who can actually lead and perhaps settle everyone

1323
01:01:13,093 --> 01:01:16,213
Speaker 21: down and put them in the right direction and become collaborative.

1324
01:01:16,253 --> 01:01:20,133
Speaker 21: As you talked about earlier, that would be quite quite important. Well,

1325
01:01:20,173 --> 01:01:21,853
Speaker 21: why I thinks I'm a good supervisor, but I don't

1326
01:01:21,853 --> 01:01:25,213
Speaker 21: think I don't know about leader, because I'm not a

1327
01:01:25,253 --> 01:01:26,573
Speaker 21: good handy man whatsoever.

1328
01:01:26,733 --> 01:01:28,813
Speaker 5: So I think if you have a good leadership, you

1329
01:01:28,853 --> 01:01:32,093
Speaker 5: would find and delegate the different areas that could be

1330
01:01:32,213 --> 01:01:34,413
Speaker 5: done by people who know the ins and outs.

1331
01:01:35,533 --> 01:01:38,693
Speaker 2: So how do you do that? So there's civilization collapsed?

1332
01:01:38,813 --> 01:01:39,973
Speaker 4: Do you what do you do?

1333
01:01:40,133 --> 01:01:42,453
Speaker 2: You go around, you lead a few people, then you

1334
01:01:42,573 --> 01:01:44,573
Speaker 2: convince them, and then more and more and more, and

1335
01:01:44,613 --> 01:01:47,093
Speaker 2: then then you're a leader leader and then I guess

1336
01:01:47,333 --> 01:01:50,533
Speaker 2: they look after after you. But it'd be interesting to

1337
01:01:50,573 --> 01:01:52,013
Speaker 2: know the skills that you need to get on a

1338
01:01:52,093 --> 01:01:55,213
Speaker 2: soapbox and bring people together. Do you have to be charismatic?

1339
01:01:55,373 --> 01:01:56,093
Speaker 8: Is that what it is?

1340
01:01:56,173 --> 01:01:58,493
Speaker 2: Or do you have to have skills and provide something

1341
01:01:58,573 --> 01:01:59,173
Speaker 2: that people need.

1342
01:02:00,173 --> 01:02:01,573
Speaker 21: I think you have to have a certain amount of

1343
01:02:01,613 --> 01:02:03,853
Speaker 21: skills to about it show the leadership. It's like eating

1344
01:02:03,933 --> 01:02:07,373
Speaker 21: and especially like when you come to basics like rugby,

1345
01:02:07,453 --> 01:02:10,533
Speaker 21: when you've got players that all know they're individual skills,

1346
01:02:10,613 --> 01:02:13,893
Speaker 21: but the captain has skills that they can bring on

1347
01:02:14,133 --> 01:02:16,653
Speaker 21: and they can actually show that they can lead and

1348
01:02:17,013 --> 01:02:18,973
Speaker 21: they can do the job per se.

1349
01:02:19,133 --> 01:02:25,053
Speaker 5: But I guess it's a talent and it's a factor

1350
01:02:25,093 --> 01:02:27,573
Speaker 5: that people kind of turn to to ensure that you

1351
01:02:27,693 --> 01:02:30,173
Speaker 5: are on the right track, and they then you know

1352
01:02:30,293 --> 01:02:31,973
Speaker 5: if you're if you're a good leader, you're open to

1353
01:02:32,693 --> 01:02:36,133
Speaker 5: two ideas and making things work. I think chaos is

1354
01:02:37,133 --> 01:02:40,413
Speaker 5: when you look at the depression and how World War

1355
01:02:40,613 --> 01:02:44,213
Speaker 5: two started when Hitler was he came through and gave

1356
01:02:44,293 --> 01:02:46,573
Speaker 5: them inspiration and they all followed him like sheep because

1357
01:02:46,613 --> 01:02:50,173
Speaker 5: everyone was in a bad situation, a dire situation. So

1358
01:02:50,333 --> 01:02:52,333
Speaker 5: you do find that people do rise to the occasion,

1359
01:02:52,373 --> 01:02:54,733
Speaker 5: whether it's good or bad. But you do find people

1360
01:02:54,773 --> 01:02:55,293
Speaker 5: that do do that.

1361
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Speaker 10: Yeah.

1362
01:02:56,293 --> 01:02:58,413
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I don't know how much Hollywood has

1363
01:02:58,453 --> 01:03:01,653
Speaker 2: to say on this, but generally speaking, in every apocalyptic movie,

1364
01:03:01,693 --> 01:03:05,373
Speaker 2: there's some bad person that rises and creates an army

1365
01:03:05,453 --> 01:03:08,333
Speaker 2: of evil people that were roared around doing terrible things.

1366
01:03:08,533 --> 01:03:10,573
Speaker 3: Good leaders, but yeah, just warlords.

1367
01:03:11,613 --> 01:03:13,213
Speaker 21: Yeah, well you're going to work out which one is

1368
01:03:13,213 --> 01:03:15,613
Speaker 21: a good in Bann, I mean that's life.

1369
01:03:15,853 --> 01:03:18,493
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, well we have to do that now, even

1370
01:03:18,573 --> 01:03:21,013
Speaker 2: and while civilization is still standing, we still have to

1371
01:03:21,133 --> 01:03:24,093
Speaker 2: work out who are the good and bad leaders? Sam,

1372
01:03:24,613 --> 01:03:27,133
Speaker 2: your thoughts about civilization collapse and what we need to

1373
01:03:27,253 --> 01:03:28,173
Speaker 2: learn in advance of it?

1374
01:03:29,493 --> 01:03:32,093
Speaker 12: Two things, but before I start, Hi, guys and the

1375
01:03:32,213 --> 01:03:36,573
Speaker 12: guy just before me are really good. Yes, leadership. You know,

1376
01:03:36,813 --> 01:03:38,853
Speaker 12: lots of people think that the leaders, but they fall

1377
01:03:39,053 --> 01:03:41,373
Speaker 12: our chaos and you know, those kind of people with

1378
01:03:41,533 --> 01:03:44,173
Speaker 12: accidents and all that they just picked up and just

1379
01:03:44,853 --> 01:03:45,413
Speaker 12: give our.

1380
01:03:45,773 --> 01:03:48,573
Speaker 3: Orders and stuff and then head in a situation that's

1381
01:03:48,653 --> 01:03:50,813
Speaker 3: that's critical, isn't it. I mean that's how it's a

1382
01:03:50,853 --> 01:03:53,413
Speaker 3: lot of leader, someone who doesn't freak out, and in

1383
01:03:53,493 --> 01:03:56,653
Speaker 3: a situation where everybody else's panics, there's usually one person

1384
01:03:56,893 --> 01:03:59,253
Speaker 3: who starts to pull things, you know, people together.

1385
01:03:59,373 --> 01:04:02,013
Speaker 2: This happened to me recently, Sam a person went down

1386
01:04:02,133 --> 01:04:04,133
Speaker 2: and with a medical incident and I ended up just

1387
01:04:04,213 --> 01:04:06,493
Speaker 2: running around in a circle while I make Joseph jury

1388
01:04:06,773 --> 01:04:10,853
Speaker 2: just sorted everything out, and that he was the leader

1389
01:04:10,893 --> 01:04:11,813
Speaker 2: and I was the panic.

1390
01:04:13,693 --> 01:04:18,533
Speaker 12: Oh dear, oh yeah. Okay, So so hopefully you'll have

1391
01:04:18,653 --> 01:04:20,733
Speaker 12: a buddy with you if we get stuck in the

1392
01:04:20,773 --> 01:04:22,533
Speaker 12: bush together and you have no idea what to do

1393
01:04:22,653 --> 01:04:28,893
Speaker 12: because they're starving, and you know, well, my thing, there's

1394
01:04:28,933 --> 01:04:31,693
Speaker 12: two things, okay, So number one is weeds and hoobs.

1395
01:04:32,013 --> 01:04:35,613
Speaker 12: How many of us, even in our gardens, rip out

1396
01:04:35,613 --> 01:04:39,013
Speaker 12: a herb and you know weed, thinking it's useless. It's

1397
01:04:39,133 --> 01:04:43,333
Speaker 12: growing profoundly and that could actually save somebody's life. It's

1398
01:04:43,373 --> 01:04:46,733
Speaker 12: a bleeding and you know what cart or what have you.

1399
01:04:47,053 --> 01:04:49,693
Speaker 12: But in an accident, we can't get the internet, we

1400
01:04:49,733 --> 01:04:53,213
Speaker 12: can't get home, were nowhere you know, like yarrow and

1401
01:04:53,293 --> 01:04:55,453
Speaker 12: planting easy munchets.

1402
01:04:55,533 --> 01:04:56,533
Speaker 1: But there we go.

1403
01:04:56,973 --> 01:05:01,573
Speaker 12: You know, Captain what was his name, he crossed the

1404
01:05:01,653 --> 01:05:05,333
Speaker 12: Stuart Island a cook. He used it, him and his

1405
01:05:05,453 --> 01:05:08,573
Speaker 12: boys used it and it's saved from gangreen. So actually

1406
01:05:08,573 --> 01:05:11,893
Speaker 12: helps with infections too, you know. And what you can

1407
01:05:12,053 --> 01:05:14,213
Speaker 12: use for your butt if you go to the toilet,

1408
01:05:14,533 --> 01:05:16,293
Speaker 12: you know, you don't want to use poison ib and

1409
01:05:16,373 --> 01:05:18,813
Speaker 12: if you get poison ivy, what can you use to

1410
01:05:18,973 --> 01:05:23,333
Speaker 12: contradict that? You know, basic stuff. We're rich in this

1411
01:05:23,533 --> 01:05:25,893
Speaker 12: in New Zealand, but how many of us actually know

1412
01:05:26,093 --> 01:05:28,173
Speaker 12: what to do with it? You know what I'm saying.

1413
01:05:28,333 --> 01:05:31,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting. Sam. I did this event with another

1414
01:05:31,373 --> 01:05:34,653
Speaker 2: Sam recently, Sam the Trapman, Sam Gibson, and he's written

1415
01:05:34,693 --> 01:05:39,253
Speaker 2: this amazing book called Sam the Trapman. But he was

1416
01:05:39,373 --> 01:05:41,813
Speaker 2: just describing the book. He spends a lot of time

1417
01:05:42,053 --> 01:05:44,333
Speaker 2: in the New Zealand native bush and you know, hunting,

1418
01:05:44,733 --> 01:05:46,973
Speaker 2: and he was just describing in that book all these

1419
01:05:47,053 --> 01:05:50,493
Speaker 2: things that you can use. So if I go into

1420
01:05:50,533 --> 01:05:53,453
Speaker 2: the bush, I see nothing. I just see bosh. He

1421
01:05:53,533 --> 01:05:55,093
Speaker 2: goes to the bush and he sees a supermarket, he

1422
01:05:55,133 --> 01:05:59,213
Speaker 2: sees toilet behaper. He says what's the native New Zealand toothbrush?

1423
01:06:01,653 --> 01:06:04,333
Speaker 12: Yeah, I don't know about that, to be honest with you,

1424
01:06:04,693 --> 01:06:05,493
Speaker 12: what would that be?

1425
01:06:05,973 --> 01:06:06,333
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1426
01:06:06,653 --> 01:06:09,813
Speaker 2: He looks around and he sees the bush. She sees everything.

1427
01:06:09,813 --> 01:06:11,893
Speaker 2: The mushrooms you can eat, the berries you can eat,

1428
01:06:12,093 --> 01:06:13,693
Speaker 2: what you can use for this, what you can use

1429
01:06:13,733 --> 01:06:14,173
Speaker 2: for that.

1430
01:06:14,413 --> 01:06:15,973
Speaker 3: Incredible skill And so I don't.

1431
01:06:15,733 --> 01:06:17,573
Speaker 12: Have to keep my hands on that book. That would

1432
01:06:17,613 --> 01:06:18,333
Speaker 12: be really cool.

1433
01:06:18,613 --> 01:06:20,453
Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's a bunch of stories for his life.

1434
01:06:20,493 --> 01:06:22,213
Speaker 2: So that's just a small part of it. But it's

1435
01:06:22,253 --> 01:06:24,813
Speaker 2: a great read anyway. And it just made me thought,

1436
01:06:25,173 --> 01:06:27,613
Speaker 2: you know, I think that I know so little about

1437
01:06:27,653 --> 01:06:31,013
Speaker 2: the bush and there is so right Sam, there's all

1438
01:06:31,053 --> 01:06:33,133
Speaker 2: the stuff out there that you could use if you

1439
01:06:33,253 --> 01:06:33,973
Speaker 2: just could realize.

1440
01:06:35,333 --> 01:06:38,173
Speaker 12: Sorry, how much we rely on Google. Like I've got

1441
01:06:38,173 --> 01:06:42,013
Speaker 12: a friend when when I'm going through something, or she

1442
01:06:42,093 --> 01:06:45,093
Speaker 12: knows somebody or we're just talking, she'll just jump straight

1443
01:06:45,093 --> 01:06:47,093
Speaker 12: onto Google and just ask the question. And it's like,

1444
01:06:47,573 --> 01:06:49,813
Speaker 12: hang on, stop, you know, I think about it because

1445
01:06:49,893 --> 01:06:52,613
Speaker 12: Google may not be around, Like, look what happens with

1446
01:06:53,133 --> 01:06:56,733
Speaker 12: twiny k Everyone thought that would have no computers. How

1447
01:06:56,773 --> 01:06:59,813
Speaker 12: do we prepare ourselves mentally for that? We didn't really

1448
01:06:59,933 --> 01:07:01,933
Speaker 12: do that. If we needed to.

1449
01:07:01,933 --> 01:07:03,653
Speaker 2: Rely on it, most people just got drank.

1450
01:07:05,253 --> 01:07:12,413
Speaker 12: And yeah, yeah. Another thing is is the call before

1451
01:07:12,493 --> 01:07:14,773
Speaker 12: me actually brought out because I was driving to see

1452
01:07:14,813 --> 01:07:16,773
Speaker 12: so I came home, so I had a little space

1453
01:07:16,813 --> 01:07:18,853
Speaker 12: where I didn't hear what, you know, the other callers

1454
01:07:18,893 --> 01:07:22,333
Speaker 12: in Texas we're saying. But he actually said about you know,

1455
01:07:22,813 --> 01:07:25,213
Speaker 12: discipling through the bad guys and the good guys, you know,

1456
01:07:25,413 --> 01:07:28,533
Speaker 12: the leadership, right, and he brought up with Titler, that's

1457
01:07:28,573 --> 01:07:29,333
Speaker 12: a really good point.

1458
01:07:29,493 --> 01:07:30,253
Speaker 1: How do we know that?

1459
01:07:30,493 --> 01:07:35,093
Speaker 12: When are we are thinking everyone's our friend? Because Facebook,

1460
01:07:35,173 --> 01:07:38,493
Speaker 12: if we befriend twenty, you know, like a thousand people

1461
01:07:38,613 --> 01:07:40,773
Speaker 12: or two hundred people, how do we know who's got

1462
01:07:40,853 --> 01:07:42,693
Speaker 12: our point of call across?

1463
01:07:42,853 --> 01:07:42,973
Speaker 22: Right?

1464
01:07:43,293 --> 01:07:46,133
Speaker 12: And then I come to my second point, okay, and

1465
01:07:46,373 --> 01:07:50,253
Speaker 12: that is basically the God of the Bible.

1466
01:07:50,613 --> 01:07:50,773
Speaker 5: You know.

1467
01:07:51,973 --> 01:07:54,053
Speaker 12: And some people are for it, some people aren't. But

1468
01:07:54,213 --> 01:07:59,653
Speaker 12: when we have nothing, and when we relying on engineering

1469
01:07:59,693 --> 01:08:02,213
Speaker 12: tea and we don't have the mcguiver around with us,

1470
01:08:02,813 --> 01:08:05,413
Speaker 12: what are we going to trust? What are we going

1471
01:08:05,493 --> 01:08:08,053
Speaker 12: to do? Because at the end of the day, we

1472
01:08:08,333 --> 01:08:10,133
Speaker 12: don't rely on ourselves if we don't know anything.

1473
01:08:11,333 --> 01:08:17,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah, what what you lean on

1474
01:08:17,452 --> 01:08:19,812
Speaker 2: in a time like that would be and would be huge,

1475
01:08:19,813 --> 01:08:23,093
Speaker 2: wouldn't it. Yeah? You know what you're what your philosophy

1476
01:08:23,133 --> 01:08:26,173
Speaker 2: for life is how you approach the situation the huge

1477
01:08:26,213 --> 01:08:30,572
Speaker 2: amount of adversity that would come your way. Absolutely, thanks

1478
01:08:30,612 --> 01:08:33,932
Speaker 2: for you call Sam So. I think it's the Carwa color. Oh, yes,

1479
01:08:34,412 --> 01:08:38,013
Speaker 2: is the is the toothbrush the bush, the toothbrush you

1480
01:08:38,053 --> 01:08:38,652
Speaker 2: find in the bush.

1481
01:08:38,692 --> 01:08:40,412
Speaker 3: I've her colo Cola does a lot of things. I

1482
01:08:40,452 --> 01:08:42,293
Speaker 3: think you use it on a scratch. And it's got

1483
01:08:42,372 --> 01:08:44,173
Speaker 3: disinfectant elements to it.

1484
01:08:44,333 --> 01:08:51,173
Speaker 2: Yeah, antibacterial juices to the stem, natural fibers freshens your breath.

1485
01:08:51,612 --> 01:08:51,852
Speaker 3: Nice.

1486
01:08:52,093 --> 01:08:52,612
Speaker 2: So there you go.

1487
01:08:52,772 --> 01:08:53,293
Speaker 22: You just have to.

1488
01:08:53,933 --> 01:08:55,492
Speaker 2: Recognize what a cardocara looks like.

1489
01:08:55,893 --> 01:08:57,412
Speaker 3: Right, I'm going to google that right now. Oh, eight

1490
01:08:57,532 --> 01:09:00,053
Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call and.

1491
01:09:00,093 --> 01:09:01,732
Speaker 2: You can brush your teeth while you've been chased through

1492
01:09:01,732 --> 01:09:04,053
Speaker 2: the bushboy post apocolate. Maria is trying to steal your

1493
01:09:04,053 --> 01:09:04,532
Speaker 2: oil off you.

1494
01:09:04,652 --> 01:09:07,812
Speaker 3: That is important. It is sixteen to three back very shortly,

1495
01:09:07,893 --> 01:09:10,012
Speaker 3: but ken it from you. If the internet and society

1496
01:09:10,053 --> 01:09:12,492
Speaker 3: started to fall apart, what are the basic skills you

1497
01:09:12,572 --> 01:09:13,572
Speaker 3: think you would need?

1498
01:09:13,933 --> 01:09:16,973
Speaker 1: Back in the mote, the issues that affect you, and

1499
01:09:17,133 --> 01:09:19,253
Speaker 1: a bit of fun along the way. Matt Heath and

1500
01:09:19,333 --> 01:09:22,053
Speaker 1: Tyler Adams afternoons news talks, they'd be.

1501
01:09:22,532 --> 01:09:26,893
Speaker 2: It is thirteen two three this Texas, says Matt. No, no, no,

1502
01:09:27,213 --> 01:09:31,012
Speaker 2: no no to your suggestion of using moss to wipe

1503
01:09:31,053 --> 01:09:33,652
Speaker 2: your freckle. I did it once in the Tarta door

1504
01:09:33,772 --> 01:09:35,652
Speaker 2: is about forty years ago. The moss on the tree

1505
01:09:35,772 --> 01:09:38,732
Speaker 2: looks so soft and perfect, but I regretted it for

1506
01:09:38,772 --> 01:09:45,253
Speaker 2: about four days while walking like John Wayne by Matt,

1507
01:09:46,492 --> 01:09:49,652
Speaker 2: I suggest you use stinging nettle for bog paper. Thanks

1508
01:09:49,692 --> 01:09:52,133
Speaker 2: for that, Craig, Yep, thanks, okay, right there, Dow Yep,

1509
01:09:52,372 --> 01:09:54,853
Speaker 2: so that in your book. As soon as some civilization

1510
01:09:55,572 --> 01:09:57,213
Speaker 2: breaks down, I'll be off into the bush to find

1511
01:09:57,253 --> 01:10:03,932
Speaker 2: some stinging needle and I'll go, Craig, what I mean?

1512
01:10:04,293 --> 01:10:05,812
Speaker 2: You know, I don't want to be too focused on

1513
01:10:06,013 --> 01:10:08,093
Speaker 2: that part of things. But society went fear all over

1514
01:10:08,133 --> 01:10:10,772
Speaker 2: to paper during COVID. Could you imagine the carnage off

1515
01:10:10,812 --> 01:10:13,372
Speaker 2: the internet and access to food disappeared.

1516
01:10:13,372 --> 01:10:14,452
Speaker 3: People lost their mind.

1517
01:10:15,612 --> 01:10:19,532
Speaker 2: Terrifying, And yet that's how for most of our evolution

1518
01:10:20,013 --> 01:10:24,092
Speaker 2: humans have lived out on the bush hunting, looking after ourselves,

1519
01:10:24,333 --> 01:10:26,852
Speaker 2: only carrying on our back, only only what we can

1520
01:10:26,893 --> 01:10:27,612
Speaker 2: carry on our back.

1521
01:10:28,333 --> 01:10:28,772
Speaker 3: We are the.

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01:10:31,213 --> 01:10:33,612
Speaker 2: Outliers in the history of humanity, not knowing anything and

1523
01:10:33,692 --> 01:10:35,893
Speaker 2: being pampered and not being able to survive outside of

1524
01:10:35,933 --> 01:10:40,173
Speaker 2: our houses. But we're talking about the generational thing, and

1525
01:10:40,293 --> 01:10:42,173
Speaker 2: I think one of the first things you need to

1526
01:10:42,213 --> 01:10:47,132
Speaker 2: grab when civilization collapses as a boomer, because each generation

1527
01:10:47,333 --> 01:10:49,852
Speaker 2: knows less of the practical stuff than the last one.

1528
01:10:49,973 --> 01:10:51,572
Speaker 2: So I think the most important thing you can get

1529
01:10:51,572 --> 01:10:52,412
Speaker 2: yourself as a boomer.

1530
01:10:53,013 --> 01:10:54,772
Speaker 3: It's a good strategy. They got the knowledge.

1531
01:10:54,853 --> 01:10:56,532
Speaker 2: My dad knows how to do a lot of stuff. Yeah,

1532
01:10:56,652 --> 01:11:01,333
Speaker 2: I'd be immediately trying to grab him as to replace

1533
01:11:01,452 --> 01:11:02,093
Speaker 2: Google for me.

1534
01:11:02,933 --> 01:11:05,253
Speaker 3: That's a good idea. Oh one hundred and eighty ten

1535
01:11:05,293 --> 01:11:06,492
Speaker 3: eighty is that number to call?

1536
01:11:07,013 --> 01:11:10,772
Speaker 2: Andrew? Welcome to the show you're doing, and here's your boomer.

1537
01:11:11,772 --> 01:11:13,213
Speaker 3: I need one, I'll claim you, Andrew.

1538
01:11:14,372 --> 01:11:16,932
Speaker 8: But I but I can't wait to be the fun

1539
01:11:17,093 --> 01:11:19,893
Speaker 8: behind what you search and ask me and send you

1540
01:11:19,973 --> 01:11:20,572
Speaker 8: in the ritery.

1541
01:11:21,492 --> 01:11:22,892
Speaker 3: Okay, right, I'll keep it clean.

1542
01:11:24,333 --> 01:11:30,973
Speaker 8: If the Internet fails, and knowledge doesn't just disappear just

1543
01:11:30,973 --> 01:11:34,013
Speaker 8: because it's not held in the Internet, doesn't mean we

1544
01:11:34,173 --> 01:11:38,013
Speaker 8: don't know how we discovered penicillin anymore. Not all of

1545
01:11:38,093 --> 01:11:41,692
Speaker 8: us know all of it. But I still think very

1546
01:11:41,812 --> 01:11:47,772
Speaker 8: quickly society would return to similar roles at what we

1547
01:11:47,933 --> 01:11:52,012
Speaker 8: already play, but in a different format. So you're still

1548
01:11:52,053 --> 01:11:54,652
Speaker 8: going to have your hambers and gatherers. You're still going

1549
01:11:54,732 --> 01:11:57,932
Speaker 8: to have your traders and barterers that you know can't

1550
01:11:57,973 --> 01:12:00,213
Speaker 8: have something. But if you give me two dad cheap,

1551
01:12:00,253 --> 01:12:03,013
Speaker 8: I'll give you, you know whatever. They will still be

1552
01:12:03,133 --> 01:12:07,612
Speaker 8: that going on. There'll be the organizers that defectively the

1553
01:12:07,692 --> 01:12:10,452
Speaker 8: leaders and talked about it before that do share all

1554
01:12:10,572 --> 01:12:13,173
Speaker 8: but really good at getting up to do the best

1555
01:12:13,213 --> 01:12:17,253
Speaker 8: of what we can. But well that's what a leader

1556
01:12:17,492 --> 01:12:21,572
Speaker 8: is like. A good leader impairs people to do the

1557
01:12:21,732 --> 01:12:25,053
Speaker 8: best thing of whatever they're doing that they can do. So,

1558
01:12:26,013 --> 01:12:28,213
Speaker 8: you know, and it's quite a simple thing. And I'm

1559
01:12:28,333 --> 01:12:30,732
Speaker 8: not one of those people. I always think I can

1560
01:12:30,772 --> 01:12:34,333
Speaker 8: do it better, So I can't lead well from that,

1561
01:12:35,293 --> 01:12:37,973
Speaker 8: you know that standing point to look, I don't I

1562
01:12:38,053 --> 01:12:41,213
Speaker 8: don't think it would be obviously the level of cataicalism

1563
01:12:41,293 --> 01:12:45,812
Speaker 8: would be a driving force, but I don't think it would.

1564
01:12:46,692 --> 01:12:49,333
Speaker 8: We already have this knowledge, so I don't think we

1565
01:12:49,492 --> 01:12:54,173
Speaker 8: were just turn into this you know, horrible mess of

1566
01:12:54,293 --> 01:12:56,893
Speaker 8: killing each other because most of us don't want to

1567
01:12:56,973 --> 01:13:01,492
Speaker 8: do that. Most of us still like the idea of

1568
01:13:01,612 --> 01:13:05,532
Speaker 8: society and common goood and you know, so I just

1569
01:13:06,213 --> 01:13:08,412
Speaker 8: would it be as bad as we say.

1570
01:13:09,253 --> 01:13:12,492
Speaker 2: But what about the survival of well, not the survival

1571
01:13:12,532 --> 01:13:14,732
Speaker 2: of the fittest, the survival of the most ruthless. So

1572
01:13:14,812 --> 01:13:18,013
Speaker 2: you've got people now that are operating outside of the

1573
01:13:18,133 --> 01:13:21,892
Speaker 2: law with violence, You've got gangs and such.

1574
01:13:22,293 --> 01:13:25,093
Speaker 8: Yeah, but that's still only a portion of society. So

1575
01:13:25,333 --> 01:13:28,772
Speaker 8: my argument to that is, well, most of us are

1576
01:13:28,973 --> 01:13:33,133
Speaker 8: doing that. So given a choice, because remember I still

1577
01:13:33,213 --> 01:13:36,133
Speaker 8: think we have this knowledge, we don't have all of

1578
01:13:36,213 --> 01:13:39,173
Speaker 8: it individually, but as a collect if we still do,

1579
01:13:39,333 --> 01:13:42,772
Speaker 8: it's still exist. So I don't know how many of

1580
01:13:42,853 --> 01:13:47,133
Speaker 8: us would go, Well, I build and sell houses today, bron,

1581
01:13:47,213 --> 01:13:48,772
Speaker 8: I think, but tomorrow I'm going to go and kill

1582
01:13:48,853 --> 01:13:53,133
Speaker 8: people and steal your food, meath leap of you know.

1583
01:13:55,093 --> 01:13:55,572
Speaker 2: Most of us.

1584
01:13:55,692 --> 01:13:56,173
Speaker 5: I don't.

1585
01:13:57,492 --> 01:14:00,333
Speaker 3: I like your optimism, but I would say, you know,

1586
01:14:00,412 --> 01:14:03,093
Speaker 3: this is my view obviously. But the LA riots come

1587
01:14:03,133 --> 01:14:05,572
Speaker 3: to mind, and so it all kicked off there and

1588
01:14:05,812 --> 01:14:08,532
Speaker 3: police had to leave that area of LA and it

1589
01:14:08,652 --> 01:14:11,612
Speaker 3: was chaos. There was normal people breaking into businesses, stealing

1590
01:14:11,692 --> 01:14:14,213
Speaker 3: whatever they could because they lost their frecking mind. There

1591
01:14:14,293 --> 01:14:16,492
Speaker 3: was no police and rules to stop them. And that's

1592
01:14:16,572 --> 01:14:18,452
Speaker 3: just one small example. Do you know, do you not

1593
01:14:18,492 --> 01:14:20,652
Speaker 3: think there's an element in humanity that when there's no

1594
01:14:20,812 --> 01:14:22,253
Speaker 3: rules and nobody will stop you.

1595
01:14:22,452 --> 01:14:24,333
Speaker 2: And so someone goes because you've already got thieves that

1596
01:14:24,412 --> 01:14:26,772
Speaker 2: break into houses because they want stuff that other people

1597
01:14:26,893 --> 01:14:29,852
Speaker 2: have if there's no police and no justice system to

1598
01:14:29,973 --> 01:14:33,052
Speaker 2: punish them for doing it. Aren't just the five percent

1599
01:14:33,372 --> 01:14:36,133
Speaker 2: of terrible people in the population just going to try

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01:14:36,133 --> 01:14:41,452
Speaker 2: and take everything of good people like yourself, Andrew, my.

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01:14:41,532 --> 01:14:44,932
Speaker 8: Aunt and well, look on two things in life. I'm

1602
01:14:44,933 --> 01:14:50,133
Speaker 8: an idealist and I'm nai despite having good knowledge hope

1603
01:14:50,732 --> 01:14:55,532
Speaker 8: that most people but I don't. I would almost have

1604
01:14:55,652 --> 01:14:59,053
Speaker 8: to be left in a one on one battle with

1605
01:14:59,213 --> 01:15:04,013
Speaker 8: the only other inhabitant averse over food in order to

1606
01:15:04,093 --> 01:15:04,852
Speaker 8: want to kill them.

1607
01:15:05,452 --> 01:15:07,412
Speaker 2: Well, bless you, Andrew. So we've got to we've got

1608
01:15:07,452 --> 01:15:11,213
Speaker 2: a nipof and play some messages. But absolutely that's a

1609
01:15:11,253 --> 01:15:13,692
Speaker 2: good Boomer to have by your side. Yeah, he knows something,

1610
01:15:13,732 --> 01:15:15,213
Speaker 2: but is a lover not a fighter, Andrew.

1611
01:15:15,293 --> 01:15:17,412
Speaker 3: Yah, Yeah, he's a good man, right, beckon a mo

1612
01:15:17,772 --> 01:15:21,492
Speaker 3: it is seven minutes to three, the issues that affect you.

1613
01:15:21,812 --> 01:15:24,012
Speaker 1: And a bit of fun along the way. Matt Heath

1614
01:15:24,093 --> 01:15:26,892
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talk said be.

1615
01:15:29,492 --> 01:15:32,692
Speaker 3: Four minutes two three, Right, we've got full boards at

1616
01:15:32,692 --> 01:15:34,333
Speaker 3: the moment and so many people are taxed through, so

1617
01:15:34,412 --> 01:15:35,772
Speaker 3: we will carry this one on.

1618
01:15:36,133 --> 01:15:38,532
Speaker 2: Yeah, and someone says, are there zombies involved in this

1619
01:15:38,772 --> 01:15:41,253
Speaker 2: civilization breakdown that you guys are talking about and what

1620
01:15:41,372 --> 01:15:45,053
Speaker 2: you need to prepare? I wasn't imagining zombies, but I will.

1621
01:15:45,572 --> 01:15:47,133
Speaker 2: My mate mean and I are has come up with

1622
01:15:47,173 --> 01:15:50,052
Speaker 2: the ultimate plan if there is a zombie apocalypse. Okay,

1623
01:15:50,253 --> 01:15:51,812
Speaker 2: so brilliant, Ho'll share with you. I can't believe I

1624
01:15:51,812 --> 01:15:52,412
Speaker 2: hadn't thought about.

1625
01:15:52,452 --> 01:15:53,612
Speaker 3: Oh, this is going to be good, right?

1626
01:15:53,692 --> 01:15:53,812
Speaker 22: Oh?

1627
01:15:53,853 --> 01:15:55,852
Speaker 3: Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number?

1628
01:15:55,933 --> 01:15:56,253
Speaker 10: To gool.

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01:15:56,532 --> 01:15:59,012
Speaker 3: I'd love to hear from you that if society does collapse,

1630
01:15:59,053 --> 01:16:01,093
Speaker 3: you don't have the internet to fall back on. What

1631
01:16:01,293 --> 01:16:04,412
Speaker 3: is the core skill you think you'd need to get

1632
01:16:04,452 --> 01:16:07,772
Speaker 3: a here to survive? Rebuild nine nine two is their text,

1633
01:16:08,532 --> 01:16:11,173
Speaker 3: Weather on its way back in a month.

1634
01:16:13,293 --> 01:16:17,053
Speaker 1: You're on new Home for insightful and entertaining Talk. It's

1635
01:16:17,253 --> 01:16:21,372
Speaker 1: Maddie and Taylor Adams afternods on News Talk Sevvy.

1636
01:16:22,213 --> 01:16:24,852
Speaker 3: Good ad you welcome back into the show. Just a

1637
01:16:24,973 --> 01:16:28,452
Speaker 3: quick reminder. In about twenty five minutes, Gareth Abden, or

1638
01:16:28,652 --> 01:16:32,692
Speaker 3: employment lawyer, joins us to take your questions on anything

1639
01:16:32,772 --> 01:16:35,652
Speaker 3: to do with your employments, your workplace, your work is

1640
01:16:35,692 --> 01:16:39,812
Speaker 3: if you're an employer, and it's absolutely free, incredibly incredibly popular,

1641
01:16:39,933 --> 01:16:41,772
Speaker 3: so get an earlier eight hundred and eighteen eighty.

1642
01:16:41,933 --> 01:16:42,133
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1643
01:16:42,253 --> 01:16:44,372
Speaker 2: So text now if you've got a question nine two

1644
01:16:44,612 --> 01:16:48,412
Speaker 2: nine two. We wanna give you the best chance to

1645
01:16:48,492 --> 01:16:50,253
Speaker 2: talk to Gareth because we're only going to have him

1646
01:16:50,253 --> 01:16:51,333
Speaker 2: on for half an hour. So if you've got an

1647
01:16:51,333 --> 01:16:54,213
Speaker 2: employment problem, text and look of it's a really good question,

1648
01:16:55,213 --> 01:16:58,093
Speaker 2: then we might give you a ring back, so so

1649
01:16:58,452 --> 01:17:00,173
Speaker 2: you can talk to talk to the man. But yeah,

1650
01:17:00,213 --> 01:17:01,213
Speaker 2: free service, yep.

1651
01:17:01,532 --> 01:17:04,612
Speaker 3: He usually charges one thousand bucks an hour, I think, so, yeah,

1652
01:17:04,652 --> 01:17:07,492
Speaker 3: make sure you get at BUTO, let's get back to

1653
01:17:07,612 --> 01:17:11,293
Speaker 3: this discussion. It's absolutely kicked off. What would happen or

1654
01:17:11,372 --> 01:17:13,173
Speaker 3: what skill do you think you would need if the

1655
01:17:13,213 --> 01:17:16,452
Speaker 3: internet went down in society started to collapse those basic

1656
01:17:16,572 --> 01:17:19,572
Speaker 3: skills that you think would get you through and help

1657
01:17:19,692 --> 01:17:20,492
Speaker 3: to start rebuilding.

1658
01:17:20,572 --> 01:17:23,293
Speaker 2: This Texas is a country riddled with active super volcanoes.

1659
01:17:23,412 --> 01:17:25,532
Speaker 2: Like New Zealand, we probably should have an entire country

1660
01:17:25,572 --> 01:17:31,692
Speaker 2: evacuation plan. Hi, guys. The fact that, the fact is

1661
01:17:31,772 --> 01:17:34,653
Speaker 2: that the massive growth and distribution of food relies on technology.

1662
01:17:34,692 --> 01:17:37,932
Speaker 2: Without fuel, actricity and logistics, a lot of people won't survive.

1663
01:17:38,013 --> 01:17:41,093
Speaker 2: It's as simple as that living a subsistent lifetime can

1664
01:17:41,133 --> 01:17:43,572
Speaker 2: probably only support a couple of million people at most.

1665
01:17:43,853 --> 01:17:46,412
Speaker 2: It's a sad fact, but at least three million people

1666
01:17:46,412 --> 01:17:49,732
Speaker 2: in New Zealand would not survive, and the balance would

1667
01:17:49,732 --> 01:17:52,012
Speaker 2: have to live in a dog eat dog manner until

1668
01:17:52,053 --> 01:17:56,093
Speaker 2: the basics of technology could be re established hundreds of

1669
01:17:56,213 --> 01:17:59,852
Speaker 2: years from now. Sorry, but that's what will happen. Kindest regards, Dave.

1670
01:18:00,532 --> 01:18:01,452
Speaker 2: I mean you're a realist.

1671
01:18:01,612 --> 01:18:03,412
Speaker 3: M Yeah, there's a lot of truth in that.

1672
01:18:03,772 --> 01:18:08,053
Speaker 2: This Texas says one second, where was it? It was

1673
01:18:08,093 --> 01:18:12,972
Speaker 2: an interesting one. It was basically like U clowns say,

1674
01:18:13,053 --> 01:18:17,653
Speaker 2: I can't remember, I can't find it? Boom are you clowns?

1675
01:18:17,853 --> 01:18:20,572
Speaker 2: Are you clowns? Suggesting that society would collapse without the Internet.

1676
01:18:20,973 --> 01:18:23,333
Speaker 2: It's only been around forty years and the world did

1677
01:18:23,412 --> 01:18:25,532
Speaker 2: fine without it that this is one of these people

1678
01:18:25,572 --> 01:18:27,532
Speaker 2: that's questioning the premise that you might. But the premise

1679
01:18:27,612 --> 01:18:30,333
Speaker 2: of this entire chat as that people are losing knowledge

1680
01:18:30,732 --> 01:18:33,652
Speaker 2: and people don't have books anymore. So people are going

1681
01:18:33,692 --> 01:18:36,133
Speaker 2: to YouTube and Google to get their answers to the

1682
01:18:36,253 --> 01:18:39,213
Speaker 2: basic things in life, how to plant things, you know,

1683
01:18:39,372 --> 01:18:43,052
Speaker 2: how to fix things. And the more we get dependent

1684
01:18:43,093 --> 01:18:44,412
Speaker 2: on the internet, we're only going to get more and

1685
01:18:44,452 --> 01:18:46,452
Speaker 2: more dependent. I mean a lot of houses are completely

1686
01:18:46,492 --> 01:18:48,412
Speaker 2: digital now and don't have a single book in them. Yeah,

1687
01:18:48,772 --> 01:18:52,052
Speaker 2: and so this whole chat started because I came across

1688
01:18:52,093 --> 01:18:54,933
Speaker 2: a bok that just lists all the basic things you

1689
01:18:55,093 --> 01:18:58,013
Speaker 2: need to survive as a human. And so if you

1690
01:18:58,093 --> 01:18:59,692
Speaker 2: had that book on the shelf, then you just open

1691
01:18:59,772 --> 01:19:01,093
Speaker 2: up and look it up. But if you're depending on

1692
01:19:01,133 --> 01:19:03,772
Speaker 2: the Internet and civilization breaks down, then you won't have

1693
01:19:03,893 --> 01:19:04,573
Speaker 2: that stuff.

1694
01:19:04,412 --> 01:19:06,532
Speaker 3: Exactly, and it would be a mess of up people,

1695
01:19:06,612 --> 01:19:08,652
Speaker 3: no doubt about it. I mean, everything that we rely

1696
01:19:08,812 --> 01:19:12,652
Speaker 3: on pretty much is governed by the Internet. The financial network,

1697
01:19:12,692 --> 01:19:17,053
Speaker 3: communication supply chain, healthcare infrastructure. The list goes on.

1698
01:19:17,293 --> 01:19:19,492
Speaker 2: I mean most people don't even have folding money. They

1699
01:19:19,612 --> 01:19:22,092
Speaker 2: just people walk around with their phone and swipe their phones.

1700
01:19:22,293 --> 01:19:24,812
Speaker 2: So you know, are you clown suggesting that society would

1701
01:19:24,812 --> 01:19:26,852
Speaker 2: collapse throughout the Internet. Well, a lot of people wouldn't

1702
01:19:26,853 --> 01:19:28,412
Speaker 2: even be able to pay their bills without the Internet.

1703
01:19:28,532 --> 01:19:29,252
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

1704
01:19:29,893 --> 01:19:31,973
Speaker 2: People don't have the readies to do it.

1705
01:19:32,213 --> 01:19:34,532
Speaker 3: That would be a bad, bad thing if the Internet disappeared,

1706
01:19:34,572 --> 01:19:36,053
Speaker 3: We'd all be in a lot of trouble, no doubt

1707
01:19:36,053 --> 01:19:36,412
Speaker 3: about that.

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01:19:36,812 --> 01:19:39,213
Speaker 2: And someone before the breaks, as you said of their

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01:19:39,293 --> 01:19:41,572
Speaker 2: zombies in this apocalypse, and no, I was not thinking

1710
01:19:41,612 --> 01:19:44,492
Speaker 2: there were zombies. But the solution that my mate men

1711
01:19:44,492 --> 01:19:46,692
Speaker 2: and I are came up with for a zombie attack

1712
01:19:46,812 --> 01:19:47,293
Speaker 2: is perfect.

1713
01:19:47,452 --> 01:19:47,652
Speaker 3: Yep.

1714
01:19:47,973 --> 01:19:50,572
Speaker 2: So you go to a stadium, so zombies attack, you

1715
01:19:50,652 --> 01:19:53,092
Speaker 2: head down at Eden Park or for South Bar Stadium

1716
01:19:53,572 --> 01:19:55,652
Speaker 2: and you live in there. You have your field in

1717
01:19:55,692 --> 01:19:56,892
Speaker 2: the middle for doing your stuff.

1718
01:19:57,053 --> 01:19:57,213
Speaker 5: Yep.

1719
01:19:57,293 --> 01:19:59,412
Speaker 2: You've got protection like walls all the way around the

1720
01:19:59,452 --> 01:20:02,612
Speaker 2: outside for the to keep the zombies out. You've got

1721
01:20:02,692 --> 01:20:05,253
Speaker 2: kitchens in these stadiums, and you've got the corporate boxes

1722
01:20:05,333 --> 01:20:05,893
Speaker 2: to live in.

1723
01:20:06,293 --> 01:20:07,253
Speaker 3: That is easy, genius.

1724
01:20:07,333 --> 01:20:09,692
Speaker 2: Yeah, first thing you want to do is secure South

1725
01:20:09,732 --> 01:20:11,972
Speaker 2: Of Stadium in a zombie apocalypse and then just secure

1726
01:20:12,013 --> 01:20:14,133
Speaker 2: them and you know they're designed to keep people out.

1727
01:20:14,293 --> 01:20:16,852
Speaker 3: Yeah, he probably should have kept that quiet, because now

1728
01:20:16,853 --> 01:20:18,173
Speaker 3: everyone's going to go down to eating bark.

1729
01:20:18,572 --> 01:20:22,173
Speaker 2: Well, first sign of someone's eyes going yellow, I'm running

1730
01:20:22,173 --> 01:20:23,452
Speaker 2: down to Eden Park and shutting the door.

1731
01:20:23,812 --> 01:20:25,932
Speaker 3: Well I'll see you there hopefully. Well maybe I won't,

1732
01:20:26,013 --> 01:20:27,892
Speaker 3: and sewing some kumra in the middle of the field

1733
01:20:27,933 --> 01:20:30,173
Speaker 3: to live off. It's a genius idea. Oh, one hundred

1734
01:20:30,213 --> 01:20:31,572
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty as a number to call.

1735
01:20:32,213 --> 01:20:35,013
Speaker 2: Ross, how are you this afternoon? You're ex military, so

1736
01:20:35,093 --> 01:20:36,492
Speaker 2: you'd have some skills in this kind of.

1737
01:20:38,213 --> 01:20:40,173
Speaker 4: I've done a few bit of voluntary stuff too. I

1738
01:20:40,532 --> 01:20:42,692
Speaker 4: did six years in the army. I should have done

1739
01:20:42,732 --> 01:20:46,972
Speaker 4: twenty six. It was a maid, but then I also

1740
01:20:47,093 --> 01:20:50,852
Speaker 4: became a mouth of safety instructor. Oh yes, I did

1741
01:20:50,933 --> 01:20:53,852
Speaker 4: ten years and citizen rescue as well. I did another

1742
01:20:53,933 --> 01:20:58,492
Speaker 4: voluntary position as Saint John. And I'm a bloody good shot.

1743
01:20:59,812 --> 01:21:02,732
Speaker 2: And you think that would be crucial in civilization breakdown?

1744
01:21:03,333 --> 01:21:05,892
Speaker 2: Is that is that humans or animals?

1745
01:21:07,772 --> 01:21:11,012
Speaker 4: What I'm saying is I've got the skills to survive anywhere.

1746
01:21:12,412 --> 01:21:13,812
Speaker 3: I believe anywhere.

1747
01:21:14,853 --> 01:21:16,293
Speaker 4: Yeah, well anywhere in this country.

1748
01:21:16,452 --> 01:21:19,412
Speaker 3: Okay, enough, and so going to bloody moon.

1749
01:21:20,253 --> 01:21:22,612
Speaker 2: So and Ross, when you say that you're a bloody

1750
01:21:22,652 --> 01:21:25,572
Speaker 2: good shot. Are you talking about shooting humans for your

1751
01:21:25,572 --> 01:21:27,892
Speaker 2: own security or you're talking about shooting animals to eat?

1752
01:21:29,372 --> 01:21:31,812
Speaker 4: Well, this is thinking about shooting animals. But I wouldn't

1753
01:21:31,812 --> 01:21:33,013
Speaker 4: like to see you try and take it off me.

1754
01:21:33,652 --> 01:21:36,173
Speaker 2: Well, well not looking out. From what I've heard, Ross,

1755
01:21:36,213 --> 01:21:39,612
Speaker 2: it would be silly to try it. But but you

1756
01:21:39,732 --> 01:21:42,092
Speaker 2: know what about when you're what about when your ammunition

1757
01:21:42,213 --> 01:21:43,012
Speaker 2: runs out? Ross?

1758
01:21:43,612 --> 01:21:45,772
Speaker 4: Well, it's right, that's only part of it. I said,

1759
01:21:45,853 --> 01:21:48,053
Speaker 4: I've got bush skills, I've got mountain skills. I've got

1760
01:21:48,133 --> 01:21:52,133
Speaker 4: the whole bloody lot. For example, I tell people, and

1761
01:21:52,253 --> 01:21:54,532
Speaker 4: have done for years, if you're in the bush and

1762
01:21:54,652 --> 01:21:57,452
Speaker 4: you see birds just not touching a tree of berries,

1763
01:21:57,692 --> 01:21:58,852
Speaker 4: you stay right away from them.

1764
01:22:00,532 --> 01:22:00,692
Speaker 13: Right.

1765
01:22:00,853 --> 01:22:02,452
Speaker 4: If the birds won't touch me, you shouldn't.

1766
01:22:03,173 --> 01:22:06,692
Speaker 2: Is there enough stuff in our bush to eat? Ross,

1767
01:22:06,732 --> 01:22:09,173
Speaker 2: to live off? Because you know these people that get

1768
01:22:09,213 --> 01:22:10,892
Speaker 2: lost in the bush and they find it really hard

1769
01:22:10,933 --> 01:22:12,492
Speaker 2: to find enough protein to get by.

1770
01:22:13,812 --> 01:22:15,213
Speaker 20: Yeah, well there is.

1771
01:22:15,253 --> 01:22:16,852
Speaker 4: If you know what you're doing. I reckon and you're

1772
01:22:16,973 --> 01:22:18,372
Speaker 4: you're crapping. Man will tell you that.

1773
01:22:19,412 --> 01:22:22,293
Speaker 3: The bird thing, I mean that that can go bad

1774
01:22:22,412 --> 01:22:24,933
Speaker 3: for people, though, Ross, isn't it this there's certainly some

1775
01:22:25,053 --> 01:22:28,973
Speaker 3: beerries birds can eat that humans probably should not, Right,

1776
01:22:29,053 --> 01:22:29,772
Speaker 3: but I see.

1777
01:22:29,652 --> 01:22:31,372
Speaker 4: That they don't be If the birds aren't touching them,

1778
01:22:31,452 --> 01:22:33,253
Speaker 4: you stay right away from them, right, Okay?

1779
01:22:33,532 --> 01:22:35,812
Speaker 2: Are you brushing it? Are you brushing your teeth with

1780
01:22:35,893 --> 01:22:36,532
Speaker 2: the cow color?

1781
01:22:36,973 --> 01:22:37,213
Speaker 8: Ross?

1782
01:22:38,812 --> 01:22:38,852
Speaker 10: No?

1783
01:22:39,492 --> 01:22:40,893
Speaker 4: No, I wouldn't worry a bit in my teeth and

1784
01:22:41,133 --> 01:22:41,973
Speaker 4: keep people away from me.

1785
01:22:44,452 --> 01:22:47,612
Speaker 3: It's pretty good, actually, yeah, but a bare breath will

1786
01:22:47,652 --> 01:22:50,532
Speaker 3: be more powerful than a within your weapons.

1787
01:22:51,133 --> 01:22:54,333
Speaker 2: Well, i'll tell you what, Ross. Look, I'll stay away

1788
01:22:54,372 --> 01:22:58,253
Speaker 2: from you and there because it sounds like you know

1789
01:22:58,732 --> 01:23:02,093
Speaker 2: you you potentially might shoot me, but I'll watch you

1790
01:23:02,133 --> 01:23:04,452
Speaker 2: all the best out there. When the civilization breaks down.

1791
01:23:04,412 --> 01:23:07,133
Speaker 3: Eager eyed Ross, stay away from him. Oh, one hundred

1792
01:23:07,293 --> 01:23:10,412
Speaker 3: eighty eight. The number to call back very shortly. It

1793
01:23:10,612 --> 01:23:11,932
Speaker 3: is thirteen pass three.

1794
01:23:12,732 --> 01:23:15,372
Speaker 1: Hey from four on news talk'd.

1795
01:23:14,973 --> 01:23:17,492
Speaker 3: Be sixteen pass three. If we lost the internet and

1796
01:23:17,572 --> 01:23:20,772
Speaker 3: society started to fall apart, what one or two skills

1797
01:23:20,853 --> 01:23:23,412
Speaker 3: you think would save you and help you rebuild.

1798
01:23:23,253 --> 01:23:25,852
Speaker 2: Philip, It says, funnily enough. When bird flo looked like

1799
01:23:25,973 --> 01:23:29,053
Speaker 2: becoming a possible pandemic before COVID, my daughter got all

1800
01:23:29,093 --> 01:23:31,972
Speaker 2: excited and drove to Toupor, which had the last remaining

1801
01:23:32,093 --> 01:23:34,572
Speaker 2: army disposal store to buy supplies and came back with

1802
01:23:34,732 --> 01:23:36,972
Speaker 2: army boots and a warm jacket. We still have them

1803
01:23:37,053 --> 01:23:42,173
Speaker 2: unused if anyone is interested. Smart daughter and half she

1804
01:23:42,372 --> 01:23:44,732
Speaker 2: drove to top to get those items.

1805
01:23:44,812 --> 01:23:47,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, tiny, how are you mate?

1806
01:23:48,213 --> 01:23:48,412
Speaker 5: Good?

1807
01:23:48,492 --> 01:23:48,772
Speaker 4: Thank you?

1808
01:23:49,492 --> 01:23:50,292
Speaker 3: What do you reckon.

1809
01:23:51,692 --> 01:24:00,253
Speaker 11: Baked beans? And what the skill you need to master the.

1810
01:24:02,093 --> 01:24:02,293
Speaker 4: Abi?

1811
01:24:02,572 --> 01:24:09,492
Speaker 11: She from a can of beans, and you should have

1812
01:24:09,572 --> 01:24:12,092
Speaker 11: at least four days supply of them in your cupboard

1813
01:24:12,173 --> 01:24:15,412
Speaker 11: in case you in case of a natural disaster, buty

1814
01:24:15,492 --> 01:24:18,892
Speaker 11: thedn't you hopefully the brisk you teams will be turning

1815
01:24:18,973 --> 01:24:19,933
Speaker 11: up to look after you.

1816
01:24:20,372 --> 01:24:22,892
Speaker 2: Are you in a supermarket buying baked beans right now? Tony?

1817
01:24:24,253 --> 01:24:24,892
Speaker 4: I am.

1818
01:24:26,372 --> 01:24:27,213
Speaker 2: How many baked beans?

1819
01:24:27,253 --> 01:24:27,492
Speaker 10: Do you know?

1820
01:24:27,853 --> 01:24:29,812
Speaker 2: How many baked beans? Cans of baked beans do you

1821
01:24:29,933 --> 01:24:32,812
Speaker 2: keep on hands in case of emergencies at any given

1822
01:24:32,853 --> 01:24:33,932
Speaker 2: time in your cupboards? Tony?

1823
01:24:34,893 --> 01:24:35,013
Speaker 4: Oh?

1824
01:24:35,133 --> 01:24:38,492
Speaker 3: Probably about ael that'll keep you going for a few days.

1825
01:24:40,013 --> 01:24:45,253
Speaker 11: Yeah, I'm thinking of putting give a little paid shark

1826
01:24:45,293 --> 01:24:45,772
Speaker 11: can buy some.

1827
01:24:45,893 --> 01:24:47,173
Speaker 18: But but.

1828
01:24:48,933 --> 01:24:51,452
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing. Can you live off bake beans alone?

1829
01:24:52,253 --> 01:24:56,572
Speaker 2: I mean, are people because there are those doomsday preppers,

1830
01:24:56,572 --> 01:24:56,892
Speaker 2: aren't they?

1831
01:24:57,053 --> 01:24:57,213
Speaker 4: Yep?

1832
01:24:57,492 --> 01:25:00,772
Speaker 2: Watch well, they'll keep a bunker with because can's last river.

1833
01:25:01,812 --> 01:25:04,013
Speaker 2: So I mean, how many do you need? And then

1834
01:25:04,133 --> 01:25:06,052
Speaker 2: of course everyone's coming around to get your baked beans,

1835
01:25:06,173 --> 01:25:08,253
Speaker 2: So do you then need to have some security as well?

1836
01:25:08,412 --> 01:25:11,612
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, get Allen good A.

1837
01:25:13,452 --> 01:25:16,932
Speaker 22: You sound like you're describing what life was up until

1838
01:25:16,933 --> 01:25:22,052
Speaker 22: about nineteen seventy five, where of the current population, probably

1839
01:25:22,173 --> 01:25:27,172
Speaker 22: fifty or sixty percent of people would remember because everything

1840
01:25:27,333 --> 01:25:30,572
Speaker 22: was manual, you had a whole range of skills that

1841
01:25:30,692 --> 01:25:35,973
Speaker 22: you had to have, and so it's no surprise to

1842
01:25:36,053 --> 01:25:38,253
Speaker 22: a lot of people. They would just revert to what

1843
01:25:38,372 --> 01:25:41,333
Speaker 22: they used to what they know. It's the younger generation

1844
01:25:41,452 --> 01:25:42,333
Speaker 22: that would have the problem.

1845
01:25:42,412 --> 01:25:44,012
Speaker 2: Yeah, That's why I was saying before Ellen. The first

1846
01:25:44,013 --> 01:25:46,772
Speaker 2: thing I'd do is find myself a boomer because because

1847
01:25:46,853 --> 01:25:49,053
Speaker 2: boomers no more than Gen X, and Gen X no

1848
01:25:49,253 --> 01:25:53,093
Speaker 2: more than millennials, and then a lot of them younger

1849
01:25:53,133 --> 01:25:55,253
Speaker 2: than that don't know anything at all about practical things.

1850
01:25:56,412 --> 01:25:59,133
Speaker 22: But what I mean, apart from the fact that I

1851
01:25:59,213 --> 01:26:02,053
Speaker 22: guess if you look back at what life was in

1852
01:26:02,213 --> 01:26:05,293
Speaker 22: saying the country in New Zealand, it probably seems like

1853
01:26:05,412 --> 01:26:09,133
Speaker 22: one hundred years earlier compared to the way people overseas.

1854
01:26:09,253 --> 01:26:16,572
Speaker 22: But everyone had also almanacs like Aunt Daisy's or Miss Beaten,

1855
01:26:16,933 --> 01:26:22,892
Speaker 22: missus Beaten. They had all sorts of remedies and problem

1856
01:26:23,013 --> 01:26:27,732
Speaker 22: solving things practically that you could do if things didn't

1857
01:26:27,772 --> 01:26:30,053
Speaker 22: go right, because you couldn't just wander along for the

1858
01:26:30,173 --> 01:26:34,133
Speaker 22: nearest Bunnings. I mean Bunnings didn't exist until about nineteen ninety,

1859
01:26:35,093 --> 01:26:36,412
Speaker 22: but you had to make go.

1860
01:26:36,772 --> 01:26:38,812
Speaker 2: So do you think that one of the things that

1861
01:26:38,812 --> 01:26:41,333
Speaker 2: people should prepare for the worst is to have a

1862
01:26:41,532 --> 01:26:44,653
Speaker 2: physical library of information?

1863
01:26:44,853 --> 01:26:50,372
Speaker 4: Yeah? Books, yeah, paper, Yeah, pages that you turn and

1864
01:26:51,452 --> 01:26:53,812
Speaker 4: therefore you know that. Yeah.

1865
01:26:53,853 --> 01:26:57,052
Speaker 22: I mean popular mechanics is another one. You know, people

1866
01:26:57,253 --> 01:26:59,372
Speaker 22: had all sorts of things like that are lying around

1867
01:26:59,973 --> 01:27:02,212
Speaker 22: on how to fix things or how to solve problems,

1868
01:27:02,293 --> 01:27:02,652
Speaker 22: and there.

1869
01:27:02,612 --> 01:27:03,733
Speaker 2: Was always a solution.

1870
01:27:05,013 --> 01:27:06,333
Speaker 8: There, or practically you.

1871
01:27:06,412 --> 01:27:09,892
Speaker 22: Just went and asked someone and you could figure it out.

1872
01:27:10,213 --> 01:27:12,852
Speaker 3: Do you think you've got the equipment around at the moment, Ellen,

1873
01:27:13,213 --> 01:27:15,293
Speaker 3: I mean, you're making a fantastic point. But I would

1874
01:27:15,333 --> 01:27:18,492
Speaker 3: assume back then people had those books and they acquired

1875
01:27:18,652 --> 01:27:21,692
Speaker 3: the bits and pieces they needed to do, you know,

1876
01:27:21,853 --> 01:27:24,372
Speaker 3: the things in those books over some time, whereas now

1877
01:27:24,612 --> 01:27:25,852
Speaker 3: the cupboards might be beer.

1878
01:27:26,933 --> 01:27:27,492
Speaker 4: Well, I think.

1879
01:27:28,173 --> 01:27:28,372
Speaker 12: Yeah.

1880
01:27:28,492 --> 01:27:32,572
Speaker 22: I mean, look, people aren't are so used to having

1881
01:27:32,692 --> 01:27:35,492
Speaker 22: everything sort of available to them. So if you look

1882
01:27:35,572 --> 01:27:38,972
Speaker 22: at even just look at every house. Now, how many

1883
01:27:39,173 --> 01:27:41,492
Speaker 22: have got fruit trees, how many have got a vegio garden?

1884
01:27:42,133 --> 01:27:47,492
Speaker 22: How many you preserve fruit or pick wind for fruit?

1885
01:27:47,532 --> 01:27:47,652
Speaker 4: You know?

1886
01:27:47,732 --> 01:27:51,412
Speaker 22: How many people barter what they've got with, you know,

1887
01:27:51,572 --> 01:27:55,093
Speaker 22: something that someone else has. How many do their own

1888
01:27:55,133 --> 01:27:58,293
Speaker 22: baking and cooking, you know all of that sort Not many.

1889
01:27:58,732 --> 01:28:01,492
Speaker 4: Yeah, will probably ring up and say that's all we do.

1890
01:28:01,652 --> 01:28:03,772
Speaker 8: But that was what life was like.

1891
01:28:03,893 --> 01:28:07,932
Speaker 22: You know, it was based around the seasons and because

1892
01:28:07,973 --> 01:28:10,213
Speaker 22: we were actually an agricultural society.

1893
01:28:10,732 --> 01:28:11,093
Speaker 21: That do you have.

1894
01:28:11,532 --> 01:28:13,772
Speaker 2: I've got a lot of fagoa trees, So depending on

1895
01:28:13,812 --> 01:28:16,412
Speaker 2: when the civilization breaks down, if it's in the right season,

1896
01:28:16,412 --> 01:28:18,372
Speaker 2: then I'll be right for fao trees, I'll.

1897
01:28:18,253 --> 01:28:21,173
Speaker 3: Be right for there's some good barteries right there.

1898
01:28:22,053 --> 01:28:23,772
Speaker 22: You only need one, You only need one.

1899
01:28:24,372 --> 01:28:24,532
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1900
01:28:24,973 --> 01:28:26,852
Speaker 2: Well, the thing about the is they bring the rats,

1901
01:28:26,933 --> 01:28:28,412
Speaker 2: so you know you can get your protein at the

1902
01:28:28,452 --> 01:28:28,972
Speaker 2: same time.

1903
01:28:30,053 --> 01:28:32,372
Speaker 22: True, true, Yeah, yeah, when you need a fire, so

1904
01:28:32,612 --> 01:28:35,213
Speaker 22: you know, you've got fire pits so you can barbecue them.

1905
01:28:35,293 --> 01:28:35,492
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1906
01:28:35,652 --> 01:28:37,812
Speaker 2: Yeah, what if you got that, you'd swap for my

1907
01:28:38,452 --> 01:28:41,812
Speaker 2: ellen if we start bartering, well.

1908
01:28:41,652 --> 01:28:42,452
Speaker 4: We got an orchid.

1909
01:28:42,612 --> 01:28:44,492
Speaker 2: So I'm no good to you.

1910
01:28:45,492 --> 01:28:47,452
Speaker 22: No, You're no good to me at all. No, and

1911
01:28:47,532 --> 01:28:49,692
Speaker 22: you live in the city, which is even worse because

1912
01:28:51,053 --> 01:28:53,452
Speaker 22: you're going to be surrounded by people desperate and hungry.

1913
01:28:53,612 --> 01:28:56,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no doubt that a bit that if civilization

1914
01:28:56,253 --> 01:28:58,852
Speaker 2: breaks down, people, you know, the farmers and the rural

1915
01:28:58,893 --> 01:29:01,893
Speaker 2: people will be in a better position just skills and

1916
01:29:02,692 --> 01:29:05,412
Speaker 2: and just you know, ability to set up before the

1917
01:29:06,893 --> 01:29:09,532
Speaker 2: rabbit herds come for you. Yeah.

1918
01:29:09,572 --> 01:29:10,852
Speaker 4: Absolutely, you got that.

1919
01:29:11,213 --> 01:29:11,412
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1920
01:29:11,612 --> 01:29:13,452
Speaker 2: Thanks. You call Alan well, I mean, you know he

1921
01:29:13,572 --> 01:29:15,532
Speaker 2: talks about the library. Well, you know, I started this

1922
01:29:15,652 --> 01:29:18,253
Speaker 2: whole conversation talking about this thing called the book The

1923
01:29:18,372 --> 01:29:21,812
Speaker 2: Ultimate guye to Rebuilding Civilization that I saw, and like,

1924
01:29:21,933 --> 01:29:24,933
Speaker 2: I don't know anything about it but the title and

1925
01:29:25,093 --> 01:29:27,293
Speaker 2: Locke There's never been a thing sold on Instagram that

1926
01:29:27,372 --> 01:29:27,812
Speaker 2: is rubbish.

1927
01:29:29,333 --> 01:29:31,173
Speaker 3: Never it's all good stuff.

1928
01:29:31,412 --> 01:29:33,133
Speaker 2: But the name of the box sounds good. Yeah, the

1929
01:29:33,213 --> 01:29:36,293
Speaker 2: book The Ultimate Guy to Rebuilding Civilization. So yeah, I

1930
01:29:36,333 --> 01:29:40,612
Speaker 2: mean to Alan's point, you know, if the Internet goes down,

1931
01:29:41,013 --> 01:29:43,732
Speaker 2: you know, maybe everyone should have a library, have a

1932
01:29:43,893 --> 01:29:48,412
Speaker 2: special chest that is impenetrable by any kind of disaster

1933
01:29:48,532 --> 01:29:50,652
Speaker 2: that you open up and it's got all the knowledge

1934
01:29:50,732 --> 01:29:53,612
Speaker 2: you need. Yeah, you know what you can eat in

1935
01:29:53,973 --> 01:29:56,892
Speaker 2: the bush. You know how to hunt, how to build

1936
01:29:56,933 --> 01:30:00,412
Speaker 2: traps ahead, how to fight post apocalyptic warriors.

1937
01:30:00,532 --> 01:30:00,732
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1938
01:30:01,013 --> 01:30:03,532
Speaker 3: Hey, you've got some overgrown funnel. Would you swap a

1939
01:30:03,572 --> 01:30:09,013
Speaker 3: couple of FiOS for some funnel? Okay, it's good, we're going.

1940
01:30:09,013 --> 01:30:09,372
Speaker 13: To do it, right.

1941
01:30:09,612 --> 01:30:10,492
Speaker 3: What are you going to be fine?

1942
01:30:10,732 --> 01:30:13,572
Speaker 2: Doesn't fennel just stuff? Isn't that sort of more fancy

1943
01:30:13,612 --> 01:30:14,732
Speaker 2: cafe food kind of things.

1944
01:30:14,853 --> 01:30:16,492
Speaker 3: I don't know what you put your finel on, but

1945
01:30:16,692 --> 01:30:17,452
Speaker 3: you'll find a use for it.

1946
01:30:17,532 --> 01:30:18,732
Speaker 2: I did say you have a lot of fuenel.

1947
01:30:18,853 --> 01:30:19,612
Speaker 3: There's a lot of phenel.

1948
01:30:19,652 --> 01:30:20,372
Speaker 2: I've got some mint.

1949
01:30:20,692 --> 01:30:22,253
Speaker 3: Oh, definitely take the mints. You can do a lot

1950
01:30:22,333 --> 01:30:24,412
Speaker 3: with mints. All right, O one hundred and eighty ten

1951
01:30:24,452 --> 01:30:26,333
Speaker 3: eighty is the number to call. We'll have time for

1952
01:30:26,772 --> 01:30:29,212
Speaker 3: maybe one or two more calls. It's twenty three PUS three.

1953
01:30:32,973 --> 01:30:36,333
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons. Call Oh, eight hundred

1954
01:30:36,452 --> 01:30:39,012
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on news Talk Z'B afternoon.

1955
01:30:39,173 --> 01:30:42,372
Speaker 3: Just a quick reminder. Gareth abdenor our employment lawyer joins

1956
01:30:42,492 --> 01:30:45,053
Speaker 3: us in about seven minutes taking your calls on eight

1957
01:30:45,173 --> 01:30:46,732
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty is a good man to

1958
01:30:46,812 --> 01:30:49,412
Speaker 3: chat too. That's coming up shortly, Jack, you reckon, have

1959
01:30:49,492 --> 01:30:51,932
Speaker 3: no problems at all, and the civilization collect guys.

1960
01:30:52,572 --> 01:30:54,932
Speaker 4: You guys are lost. You guys are really lost.

1961
01:30:54,973 --> 01:30:57,293
Speaker 23: You lost us Boomers. We'll be gone in twenty five

1962
01:30:57,372 --> 01:30:59,852
Speaker 23: for twenty years. You guys are stuff.

1963
01:30:59,973 --> 01:31:03,372
Speaker 2: Really what if we follow you around running down all

1964
01:31:03,412 --> 01:31:03,972
Speaker 2: your information?

1965
01:31:05,333 --> 01:31:07,013
Speaker 4: I leave all of you guys behind. I got a

1966
01:31:07,053 --> 01:31:08,852
Speaker 4: fine just north of Aukound where that.

1967
01:31:09,013 --> 01:31:10,972
Speaker 2: Is that take right down. The address will be there

1968
01:31:10,973 --> 01:31:12,012
Speaker 2: as soon as take me son.

1969
01:31:12,093 --> 01:31:13,452
Speaker 4: I'll take my son. He knows everything.

1970
01:31:13,492 --> 01:31:20,132
Speaker 23: He's an engineer, a builder, he's smarty forty six, he's smart.

1971
01:31:20,933 --> 01:31:24,452
Speaker 23: And I'm an engineer. I did twenty six years in

1972
01:31:24,452 --> 01:31:28,412
Speaker 23: the Navy summer rigor of an engineer, so I can.

1973
01:31:28,612 --> 01:31:30,692
Speaker 23: I can catch the orphan the creek like when I

1974
01:31:30,732 --> 01:31:31,093
Speaker 23: was a kid.

1975
01:31:31,933 --> 01:31:33,932
Speaker 4: I catch. But I heard the guy on the radio

1976
01:31:34,053 --> 01:31:35,812
Speaker 4: say he'd go and get mushrooms out of the bush.

1977
01:31:35,853 --> 01:31:39,972
Speaker 4: That's the dumbest thing since the pape did you don't

1978
01:31:39,973 --> 01:31:41,213
Speaker 4: get mushroms out of the bush.

1979
01:31:42,893 --> 01:31:44,933
Speaker 2: Nice beef Wellington with the mushrooms.

1980
01:31:45,412 --> 01:31:48,933
Speaker 23: No, yeah, right, the first thing, you'd kill yourself. They

1981
01:31:49,013 --> 01:31:51,293
Speaker 23: are poisonous in the book Bush, so you wouldn't do that.

1982
01:31:51,772 --> 01:31:53,412
Speaker 23: They're gonna be careful. What you know, I used to

1983
01:31:53,492 --> 01:31:57,253
Speaker 23: live off you know. I come from a big family, massive,

1984
01:31:57,253 --> 01:31:59,053
Speaker 23: big family, and we used to live off the land

1985
01:31:59,093 --> 01:32:00,732
Speaker 23: when I was young as a kid, and we used

1986
01:32:00,772 --> 01:32:04,173
Speaker 23: to bring you all home and and the kids kind

1987
01:32:04,173 --> 01:32:06,492
Speaker 23: of way of the little crape fish out of creeks,

1988
01:32:06,532 --> 01:32:07,972
Speaker 23: and we used to live off that stuff.

1989
01:32:08,412 --> 01:32:15,333
Speaker 2: Are you and your son armed, Jack? B yea, Because

1990
01:32:15,372 --> 01:32:16,893
Speaker 2: because you've got skills.

1991
01:32:18,093 --> 01:32:21,253
Speaker 4: Well the Navy, so I was a gunner in the Navy.

1992
01:32:21,253 --> 01:32:24,133
Speaker 4: Don't make to shoot, so I'm to look after himself. Yeah,

1993
01:32:24,173 --> 01:32:25,732
Speaker 4: and I want to make sure I didn't take any

1994
01:32:25,772 --> 01:32:27,652
Speaker 4: labor people with me. Leave them in town, mate, they'd

1995
01:32:27,692 --> 01:32:29,372
Speaker 4: be deviling more than the danger to themselves.

1996
01:32:31,173 --> 01:32:33,412
Speaker 2: So so so, so, what we were saying is that

1997
01:32:33,532 --> 01:32:35,333
Speaker 2: you and your son have got skills. You've got an engineer,

1998
01:32:35,412 --> 01:32:37,452
Speaker 2: you've got the boomer knowledge. So if Tyler and I

1999
01:32:37,812 --> 01:32:39,372
Speaker 2: rode up on horseback.

2000
01:32:39,412 --> 01:32:42,213
Speaker 4: Would you view com You guys could talk too much.

2001
01:32:43,532 --> 01:32:44,253
Speaker 3: I got some fennel.

2002
01:32:45,853 --> 01:32:47,772
Speaker 2: I'll bring you back for Joe's skills.

2003
01:32:48,652 --> 01:32:51,372
Speaker 4: You need real, real skills to do what you're saying.

2004
01:32:51,732 --> 01:32:53,452
Speaker 3: Fair boy, he would be liability.

2005
01:32:53,532 --> 01:32:55,253
Speaker 2: I don't think you need the broadcasters.

2006
01:32:56,692 --> 01:33:00,333
Speaker 4: You see a liability of everything we tell some good

2007
01:33:00,372 --> 01:33:02,732
Speaker 4: young I was brought up in the fifties and sixties.

2008
01:33:02,812 --> 01:33:06,092
Speaker 4: So those are the people that you need, who lived

2009
01:33:06,253 --> 01:33:09,772
Speaker 4: well before there was TV, well before there's radios. And

2010
01:33:09,893 --> 01:33:13,572
Speaker 4: you're talking about no power, no phone, no nothing, and

2011
01:33:13,772 --> 01:33:16,013
Speaker 4: we can live. I can live with nothing. And so

2012
01:33:16,893 --> 01:33:19,173
Speaker 4: these are the basic skills you need these people. And

2013
01:33:19,213 --> 01:33:21,973
Speaker 4: they're all dying off now and I can still do it.

2014
01:33:22,612 --> 01:33:23,732
Speaker 4: And I'm sure my son.

2015
01:33:23,652 --> 01:33:26,093
Speaker 23: Can and bring up his kids that will be And

2016
01:33:27,133 --> 01:33:29,213
Speaker 23: you know, you take off take a phone off somebody

2017
01:33:29,333 --> 01:33:32,253
Speaker 23: day for forty eight l they'll go mad, wouldn't they.

2018
01:33:32,492 --> 01:33:34,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, well this text, this text here says it

2019
01:33:35,093 --> 01:33:37,572
Speaker 2: only takes a man two days without food before they

2020
01:33:37,652 --> 01:33:39,732
Speaker 2: will kill somebody. See what we want, what do you

2021
01:33:39,772 --> 01:33:41,133
Speaker 2: want to do? Is we'll go out and grab jack

2022
01:33:41,213 --> 01:33:43,333
Speaker 2: and we'll put them in a box and then we'll

2023
01:33:43,372 --> 01:33:45,372
Speaker 2: ask him questions like he's googled, He's got all the

2024
01:33:45,452 --> 01:33:47,852
Speaker 2: knowledge perfect, And then and it will just be like, well,

2025
01:33:48,133 --> 01:33:49,692
Speaker 2: we'll have that Google, you have.

2026
01:33:49,732 --> 01:33:51,612
Speaker 3: Your baked beans, you have your water, and you have

2027
01:33:51,692 --> 01:33:52,452
Speaker 3: your jacket, a box.

2028
01:33:53,053 --> 01:33:56,253
Speaker 2: Hi, Matt and Tyler. Remember the book you may have read,

2029
01:33:56,412 --> 01:33:59,173
Speaker 2: A Lord of the Flies. Yes, a terrifying book. After

2030
01:33:59,213 --> 01:34:01,572
Speaker 2: all these years, I don't really think man has changed

2031
01:34:01,612 --> 01:34:05,012
Speaker 2: that much. You start. You saw what happened in COVID.

2032
01:34:05,412 --> 01:34:09,772
Speaker 2: What would happen if the shops weren't replenished? Dave? Yeah, Piggy,

2033
01:34:09,812 --> 01:34:10,933
Speaker 2: it's bad for Piggy.

2034
01:34:11,093 --> 01:34:11,892
Speaker 3: Poor old Piggy.

2035
01:34:12,532 --> 01:34:16,892
Speaker 2: Tony's very intelligent with the baked beans are two pronged solution,

2036
01:34:17,093 --> 01:34:20,093
Speaker 2: A good source of food and good natural gas as well.

2037
01:34:20,612 --> 01:34:20,972
Speaker 3: Smart.

2038
01:34:21,173 --> 01:34:23,213
Speaker 2: But how do you tap that gas?

2039
01:34:23,532 --> 01:34:25,852
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a difficult part. You need you need someone

2040
01:34:25,893 --> 01:34:27,372
Speaker 3: to help you with that, and nobody wants to do that.

2041
01:34:27,812 --> 01:34:32,732
Speaker 2: Piping Tony to run your barbie, Yeah, could be a problemotic.

2042
01:34:32,652 --> 01:34:35,293
Speaker 3: Very good, right, great discussion, Thank you very much. We

2043
01:34:35,333 --> 01:34:38,452
Speaker 3: had hundreds and hundreds of ticks on that. But standing

2044
01:34:38,532 --> 01:34:41,213
Speaker 3: by we do have Gareth abden Or. He is taking

2045
01:34:41,293 --> 01:34:44,212
Speaker 3: your calls, your questions. You got a problem in your workplace,

2046
01:34:44,253 --> 01:34:45,772
Speaker 3: he is the man to chat to. And if you're

2047
01:34:45,812 --> 01:34:48,692
Speaker 3: an employer and you need some advice about something happening

2048
01:34:48,732 --> 01:34:50,772
Speaker 3: with your workers. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

2049
01:34:50,853 --> 01:34:53,133
Speaker 3: is that number to call? Bang on past three?

2050
01:34:55,492 --> 01:34:59,053
Speaker 13: You talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's

2051
01:34:59,213 --> 01:35:02,452
Speaker 13: no trouble with a blue bubble. The Reserve Bank slash

2052
01:35:02,572 --> 01:35:06,093
Speaker 13: the official cash rate twenty five basis points, bringing it

2053
01:35:06,173 --> 01:35:09,612
Speaker 13: to two point twenty five percent, leaving its options open

2054
01:35:09,692 --> 01:35:13,812
Speaker 13: on what's next. Provisional approvals been granted to a multi

2055
01:35:13,893 --> 01:35:17,932
Speaker 13: billion dollar project to tunnel for gold and silver under

2056
01:35:18,053 --> 01:35:22,412
Speaker 13: dock administered land. Critics say it'll put critically endangered archies

2057
01:35:22,532 --> 01:35:26,293
Speaker 13: frogs at risk. The government's detailed six and a half

2058
01:35:26,412 --> 01:35:31,412
Speaker 13: billion dollars long term spending on upgrading defense infrastructure, two

2059
01:35:31,492 --> 01:35:35,293
Speaker 13: point five billion over four years for fixing aged infrastructure,

2060
01:35:35,652 --> 01:35:39,092
Speaker 13: and four billion dollars will go into upgrading Devonport Navy

2061
01:35:39,173 --> 01:35:42,973
Speaker 13: Base in Auckland over three and a half decades. The

2062
01:35:43,093 --> 01:35:46,412
Speaker 13: show will go on for Rhythm at Alps Festival this summer,

2063
01:35:46,812 --> 01:35:49,652
Speaker 13: but Woe mad In Taranaki and One Love and Todong

2064
01:35:49,812 --> 01:35:54,932
Speaker 13: have canceled next year's gigs, citing the economic climate. Study

2065
01:35:55,053 --> 01:35:59,012
Speaker 13: finds mental health benefit to one week's social media break.

2066
01:35:59,492 --> 01:36:02,173
Speaker 13: You can find out more at zip Herald Premium. Back

2067
01:36:02,213 --> 01:36:03,692
Speaker 13: now to matt Ethan Tyler Adams.

2068
01:36:03,812 --> 01:36:06,572
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Railing Gareth. Abdenor is an employment

2069
01:36:06,652 --> 01:36:10,053
Speaker 3: workplace in information experts and he's also director of Abdenaor

2070
01:36:10,173 --> 01:36:14,532
Speaker 3: Employment Law. His website is abdenal Law dot NZEDI joins

2071
01:36:14,612 --> 01:36:17,092
Speaker 3: us once a month of course to answer your questions

2072
01:36:17,093 --> 01:36:19,412
Speaker 3: and he is back with us right now. Gareth, get

2073
01:36:19,452 --> 01:36:23,013
Speaker 3: o to you. Gooday, guys, how you doing very very well?

2074
01:36:23,093 --> 01:36:25,652
Speaker 3: Now we've had a flood of texts already come in, Gareth,

2075
01:36:25,692 --> 01:36:27,532
Speaker 3: so if you don't mind, we'll get straight into it.

2076
01:36:28,492 --> 01:36:32,492
Speaker 3: Sounds good this one here, get a Gareth. My employer

2077
01:36:32,572 --> 01:36:35,732
Speaker 3: has advised by letter to all current employees that they

2078
01:36:35,812 --> 01:36:38,772
Speaker 3: have been calculating holiday pay. I'm sorry to start off

2079
01:36:38,772 --> 01:36:41,892
Speaker 3: with this one, Gareth Jackets. I should have preread this one.

2080
01:36:42,213 --> 01:36:44,852
Speaker 24: I'm just rocking myself while sucking on my thumb.

2081
01:36:45,053 --> 01:36:47,572
Speaker 3: Oh the trauma that we put you through, so I'll

2082
01:36:47,612 --> 01:36:50,612
Speaker 3: carry on. Have been calculating holiday pay incorrectly, and to

2083
01:36:50,772 --> 01:36:53,492
Speaker 3: fix the problem, they have recalculated what people are rowed

2084
01:36:53,853 --> 01:36:56,333
Speaker 3: up to six years. The thing is, I've worked for

2085
01:36:56,372 --> 01:36:58,612
Speaker 3: the company for twenty five years. Aren't they required to

2086
01:36:58,692 --> 01:37:01,053
Speaker 3: pay me out for twenty five years, not for six?

2087
01:37:01,213 --> 01:37:02,492
Speaker 2: Oh?

2088
01:37:02,612 --> 01:37:04,893
Speaker 24: Yeah, This is a dozy, isn't it.

2089
01:37:05,053 --> 01:37:05,253
Speaker 18: It is?

2090
01:37:06,732 --> 01:37:11,452
Speaker 24: Well, this business is is not alone because as we know,

2091
01:37:11,652 --> 01:37:16,092
Speaker 24: I love the Holidays Act and it makes it pretty

2092
01:37:16,133 --> 01:37:18,492
Speaker 24: difficult to pay someone the correct amount even if you

2093
01:37:18,572 --> 01:37:23,492
Speaker 24: want to. There is a limitation period here, and that's

2094
01:37:23,532 --> 01:37:28,253
Speaker 24: why they're going back six years. You can certainly try

2095
01:37:28,333 --> 01:37:30,612
Speaker 24: and claim the twenty five years, but you're not going

2096
01:37:30,692 --> 01:37:32,013
Speaker 24: to have a legal case for it.

2097
01:37:32,893 --> 01:37:33,133
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2098
01:37:33,412 --> 01:37:37,053
Speaker 2: Right, so is six years because often things are seven years,

2099
01:37:37,053 --> 01:37:38,812
Speaker 2: aren't they Is it a six year.

2100
01:37:41,013 --> 01:37:44,333
Speaker 24: Six years here? I think seven years is for some

2101
01:37:44,572 --> 01:37:48,612
Speaker 24: records and tax stuff, right, Yeah, so yeah, I think

2102
01:37:49,173 --> 01:37:51,173
Speaker 24: I would most probably take the money and enjoy it

2103
01:37:51,412 --> 01:37:56,692
Speaker 24: because it's unexpected money that you're getting. You can make

2104
01:37:56,732 --> 01:37:59,293
Speaker 24: an argument for the full twenty five years worth, but

2105
01:38:00,093 --> 01:38:02,093
Speaker 24: if you push it too hard, the business might not

2106
01:38:02,333 --> 01:38:03,932
Speaker 24: still be in business.

2107
01:38:04,253 --> 01:38:07,533
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean that is rough though. Nineteen years incorrect,

2108
01:38:07,853 --> 01:38:10,612
Speaker 2: but yeah, I mean it's just practicality of existence, isn't it?

2109
01:38:10,732 --> 01:38:13,532
Speaker 2: So total? I think it's just the six years for you,

2110
01:38:13,652 --> 01:38:17,293
Speaker 2: I'm afraid, but thank you so much for your text, Sharon.

2111
01:38:17,372 --> 01:38:18,052
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show.

2112
01:38:19,173 --> 01:38:19,732
Speaker 4: Hi, how are you.

2113
01:38:21,612 --> 01:38:22,173
Speaker 3: Gareth is on?

2114
01:38:23,572 --> 01:38:27,492
Speaker 17: Hey? I've got a question for you. My husband's going

2115
01:38:27,732 --> 01:38:31,173
Speaker 17: to be on annual leave over the Christmas break for

2116
01:38:31,253 --> 01:38:34,732
Speaker 17: a week. However, during the annual leave time, he's required

2117
01:38:34,772 --> 01:38:37,852
Speaker 17: to be on call as well. I'm just wondering how

2118
01:38:37,933 --> 01:38:42,092
Speaker 17: that works. As I say it, if you're on annual

2119
01:38:42,173 --> 01:38:44,572
Speaker 17: leave in no phone, no, you're away from work, you've

2120
01:38:44,572 --> 01:38:47,852
Speaker 17: got your call nical wellbeing, you're entitled to you four weeks.

2121
01:38:48,133 --> 01:38:51,452
Speaker 17: But if you're on call as well, so you would

2122
01:38:51,492 --> 01:38:54,253
Speaker 17: get paid for your holiday pay for a week. But

2123
01:38:54,452 --> 01:38:58,812
Speaker 17: then you'd be required to work outside of or anytime

2124
01:38:58,893 --> 01:39:01,492
Speaker 17: actually and get paid anything on call, but you might

2125
01:39:01,572 --> 01:39:02,293
Speaker 17: not get called out.

2126
01:39:03,333 --> 01:39:06,213
Speaker 24: This is this is a very very tricky one, Sharon,

2127
01:39:06,293 --> 01:39:09,973
Speaker 24: and a lot depends on what the restrictions are going

2128
01:39:10,053 --> 01:39:13,572
Speaker 24: to be on your husband's time and the activities he

2129
01:39:13,732 --> 01:39:19,772
Speaker 24: can do. It's a vexed issue that has gone through

2130
01:39:20,612 --> 01:39:24,293
Speaker 24: several court processes and it's still a bit vague, and

2131
01:39:24,412 --> 01:39:27,932
Speaker 24: it really comes down to the particular circumstances of each

2132
01:39:28,013 --> 01:39:31,892
Speaker 24: employment relationship. You know, for example, if it's a job

2133
01:39:32,253 --> 01:39:38,092
Speaker 24: where your husband is prevented from drinking alcohol while he's

2134
01:39:38,213 --> 01:39:41,732
Speaker 24: on call, or needs to be close to home so

2135
01:39:41,933 --> 01:39:45,692
Speaker 24: that he can get to work within a certain period

2136
01:39:45,732 --> 01:39:49,093
Speaker 24: of time, there is likely to be an argument that

2137
01:39:49,213 --> 01:39:51,973
Speaker 24: he's actually working and he should be paid as if

2138
01:39:52,013 --> 01:39:56,972
Speaker 24: he was working. In other cases, being on call actually

2139
01:39:57,133 --> 01:40:01,452
Speaker 24: doesn't really limit you much at all. And you know

2140
01:40:01,812 --> 01:40:04,532
Speaker 24: it might be that if someone calls, you need to

2141
01:40:04,612 --> 01:40:08,692
Speaker 24: get back to them within a few hours, and so

2142
01:40:08,853 --> 01:40:13,532
Speaker 24: it really depends. I would go through that with your husband,

2143
01:40:13,692 --> 01:40:16,692
Speaker 24: look at what the restrictions are, and then start a

2144
01:40:16,732 --> 01:40:17,972
Speaker 24: discussion with the employer.

2145
01:40:19,372 --> 01:40:19,652
Speaker 10: Okay.

2146
01:40:20,652 --> 01:40:25,412
Speaker 24: In most cases where people are expected to be on

2147
01:40:25,692 --> 01:40:29,093
Speaker 24: call as if they were actually working, this is due

2148
01:40:29,253 --> 01:40:31,893
Speaker 24: to the employer not having turned their mind to it,

2149
01:40:32,213 --> 01:40:35,412
Speaker 24: rather than them sitting in a back room thinking about

2150
01:40:35,452 --> 01:40:38,173
Speaker 24: how they can take advantage of someone. So start a

2151
01:40:38,253 --> 01:40:40,412
Speaker 24: conversation and see where you get to.

2152
01:40:42,053 --> 01:40:42,612
Speaker 2: All the best.

2153
01:40:42,812 --> 01:40:44,812
Speaker 3: Yeah, go well shared, and thank you very much for

2154
01:40:45,133 --> 01:40:45,852
Speaker 3: giving us a buzz.

2155
01:40:45,893 --> 01:40:49,133
Speaker 2: Oh, it's no holiday at all unless you can rest,

2156
01:40:49,452 --> 01:40:52,852
Speaker 2: and so that's right on call, you're not, it's not

2157
01:40:52,893 --> 01:40:53,932
Speaker 2: a holiday at all.

2158
01:40:54,652 --> 01:40:56,732
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I didn't realize. So, Gareth, can you be

2159
01:40:56,853 --> 01:40:59,133
Speaker 3: on call and not be paid for that? I would

2160
01:40:59,173 --> 01:41:01,372
Speaker 3: have thought it's a legislation that they have to pay.

2161
01:41:02,372 --> 01:41:06,253
Speaker 24: There definitely needs to be some payment. The question is

2162
01:41:06,372 --> 01:41:09,452
Speaker 24: how much are you going to be paid the full

2163
01:41:09,492 --> 01:41:12,452
Speaker 24: amount or not. And of course if you actually get

2164
01:41:13,053 --> 01:41:16,213
Speaker 24: called out during that period on call, how much are

2165
01:41:16,253 --> 01:41:19,213
Speaker 24: you going to be paid then? So definitely not a

2166
01:41:19,253 --> 01:41:20,173
Speaker 24: straightforward question.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 3: to call if you've got a question for Gareth Hee

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Speaker 3: is with us for about another fifteen minutes.

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Speaker 2: He's interesting text that's come through. We have never been

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01:41:30,293 --> 01:41:33,412
Speaker 2: told that we're not allowed to hook up with other staff.

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01:41:33,853 --> 01:41:37,452
Speaker 2: My new girlfriend works on another floor. My manager saw

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01:41:37,572 --> 01:41:40,012
Speaker 2: us at a pub told me I should have told

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Speaker 2: him and that this was a problem or could be

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01:41:43,133 --> 01:41:46,732
Speaker 2: a problem. Is it illegal to be with staff? Can't

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01:41:46,732 --> 01:41:48,092
Speaker 2: see nothing in my contract?

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Speaker 3: Spicy?

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Speaker 24: Yeah yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 24: They coming out with all the soucy ones today, aren't they.

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Speaker 24: It really depends on what sort of job it is

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Speaker 24: and what the roles are. Some workplaces prevent or prohibit

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01:42:07,213 --> 01:42:12,772
Speaker 24: relationships between a manager and a subordinate for obvious reasons.

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Speaker 24: Other workplaces require you to disclose it so that that

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Speaker 24: can be managed. Obviously, you don't want accusations of favoritism

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Speaker 24: or actual favoritism.

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Speaker 2: In this case.

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Speaker 24: If there's nothing in the employment agreement and there's no

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01:42:28,293 --> 01:42:32,133
Speaker 24: policy of it, and the people work at the same

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01:42:32,253 --> 01:42:36,213
Speaker 24: workplace but not directly in the same team or in

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01:42:36,293 --> 01:42:39,452
Speaker 24: the same reporting line. You kind of wonder what's the issue.

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01:42:40,692 --> 01:42:43,412
Speaker 24: So it sounds like this manager is maybe going a

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01:42:43,492 --> 01:42:47,213
Speaker 24: bit too far. Be interesting to know more about it.

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Speaker 2: I've got a theory, well just wild theory. I don't

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01:42:52,053 --> 01:42:53,932
Speaker 2: know anything. It's funny when you just get a text

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01:42:53,973 --> 01:42:57,572
Speaker 2: because more information please nine two to that text. But

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01:42:58,652 --> 01:43:00,812
Speaker 2: the manager's seeing you at the pub with this other person.

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01:43:01,893 --> 01:43:04,053
Speaker 2: The managers out of line to bring that up right,

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Speaker 2: and does the manager fancy this person highly?

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Speaker 4: Wow?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we need more handle us well.

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Speaker 2: Otherwise it's such a weird thing to do. I saw

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01:43:13,732 --> 01:43:17,133
Speaker 2: you out the pub other than gossiping or I mean,

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01:43:17,213 --> 01:43:18,772
Speaker 2: that's an awkward position to put someone on if this,

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01:43:18,893 --> 01:43:21,652
Speaker 2: if you're allowed to see someone else, it's not in

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01:43:21,692 --> 01:43:24,732
Speaker 2: the contract and work hours, And why is the manager

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01:43:24,812 --> 01:43:27,492
Speaker 2: bringing it up in this it's go gossip. But to

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01:43:27,532 --> 01:43:30,173
Speaker 2: say it might be a problem, we need more. It

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Speaker 2: sounds like a soap opera. It does, doesn't that We

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Speaker 2: love it? Yeah, I reckon, you need ask your manager

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01:43:34,452 --> 01:43:37,652
Speaker 2: if he fancies this this new girlfriend of yours. Actually,

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01:43:37,772 --> 01:43:40,893
Speaker 2: to be fair, I've assumed that's that this is a

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01:43:41,013 --> 01:43:44,492
Speaker 2: male sending through. I thought my new girlfriend yet Okay,

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Speaker 2: there we go. Well, you know it could be what

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01:43:46,213 --> 01:43:49,293
Speaker 2: could be made long assumptions. Send us more details nine

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01:43:49,372 --> 01:43:51,173
Speaker 2: two nine two, and then maybe we can give a

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01:43:51,213 --> 01:43:52,452
Speaker 2: more detailed answer to your question.

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Speaker 3: Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number?

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Speaker 3: To call back very shortly. It is eighteen to four.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls

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01:44:02,053 --> 01:44:05,852
Speaker 1: on mad Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News Talks'd be.

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Speaker 3: Sixteen two four and we are joined by Abdenoy's an

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Speaker 3: employment workplace, an information expert and director of abden or

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Speaker 3: Employment Law, taking your calls and questions.

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Speaker 2: Tony, welcome the show.

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01:44:18,133 --> 01:44:21,572
Speaker 4: Hey boys, how are you very good? Good?

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Speaker 11: Hi Gareth.

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Speaker 18: The company that we worked for got hacked last week

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01:44:28,612 --> 01:44:33,572
Speaker 18: and as a result, our system went down and has

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01:44:33,652 --> 01:44:36,692
Speaker 18: been down for the last ten days. My question is

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Speaker 18: the company is asking us to take that time that

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01:44:43,812 --> 01:44:46,253
Speaker 18: we haven't been able to go into the office to

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01:44:46,412 --> 01:44:50,572
Speaker 18: take leave without pay, or they are taking that time

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01:44:50,652 --> 01:44:55,052
Speaker 18: off of our leave. My question is can they legally

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01:44:55,173 --> 01:45:00,652
Speaker 18: do that because the pack was obviously through no fault

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01:45:00,692 --> 01:45:01,133
Speaker 18: with ours.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, that's a very tricky situation, isn't it. This is

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01:45:07,893 --> 01:45:11,492
Speaker 24: one of those situations that does happen from time to

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01:45:11,612 --> 01:45:15,532
Speaker 24: time where the employer can't provide work. The general rule

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Speaker 24: is they can't require you to take leave unless they

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Speaker 24: give you fourteen days notice of that requirement, and even

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01:45:23,093 --> 01:45:26,093
Speaker 24: then they have to act in good faith. However, they

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01:45:26,213 --> 01:45:30,772
Speaker 24: can ask you to take that time as leave, whether

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01:45:31,572 --> 01:45:34,412
Speaker 24: and you'll leave or unpaid leave, and if you agree

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01:45:36,293 --> 01:45:40,293
Speaker 24: then that's not a problem. Of course, some employment agreements

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01:45:40,492 --> 01:45:44,492
Speaker 24: do have clauses that say if the employer can't provide

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01:45:44,532 --> 01:45:48,613
Speaker 24: you with work through no fault of their own, sometimes

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01:45:48,732 --> 01:45:54,013
Speaker 24: weather conditions as a common example of that, then they

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01:45:54,093 --> 01:45:56,053
Speaker 24: don't have to pay you and they don't have to

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Speaker 24: provide work. So I would carefully check your employment agreement.

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Speaker 24: The other thing is, I don't know what sort of

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01:46:02,612 --> 01:46:04,412
Speaker 24: work you do or what sort of business it is,

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01:46:04,532 --> 01:46:07,652
Speaker 24: but if they haven't been able to operate for ten days,

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01:46:07,692 --> 01:46:12,173
Speaker 24: I imagine that the business is taking quite a hit

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Speaker 24: in terms of income cash flow, and so sometimes you

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01:46:18,213 --> 01:46:19,893
Speaker 24: need to think about do I want to win the

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01:46:19,973 --> 01:46:24,772
Speaker 24: battle but lose the war. Depending on how big and

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01:46:24,893 --> 01:46:28,893
Speaker 24: successful the business is, you know it might actually be

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01:46:28,973 --> 01:46:31,692
Speaker 24: a good idea to show a bit of goodwill, not

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01:46:31,853 --> 01:46:35,812
Speaker 24: necessarily agree with everything they're asking, but show some goodwill

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01:46:35,853 --> 01:46:38,572
Speaker 24: when I'm sure that will be appreciated if you don't,

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01:46:39,572 --> 01:46:46,253
Speaker 24: and you know that might have impactful ongoing employment, not directly.

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01:46:47,572 --> 01:46:50,773
Speaker 24: But yeah, tricky situation for all involved.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it?

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01:46:52,253 --> 01:46:54,412
Speaker 18: Very trickily, very tricky?

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Speaker 21: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all the best with that, Tony, thank you very

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01:46:57,612 --> 01:47:00,052
Speaker 3: much for ringing in Jackie.

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01:47:00,133 --> 01:47:04,412
Speaker 2: Your question for Gareth him, Yes, but.

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Speaker 12: Peture from putting me on a.

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01:47:07,253 --> 01:47:09,293
Speaker 15: That's just a good question and mine.

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Speaker 2: Did she just say please don't put me on here?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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01:47:12,933 --> 01:47:14,893
Speaker 2: I think so. Yeah, you're on it, you were on it.

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01:47:14,973 --> 01:47:17,132
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we'll take you off. Ajeg.

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01:47:17,372 --> 01:47:19,372
Speaker 2: We'll just put your back to Andrew and maybe come

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01:47:19,452 --> 01:47:20,812
Speaker 2: tell you what You've gotta be careful when you're in

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01:47:20,933 --> 01:47:23,053
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighteen eighty because you will often get

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01:47:23,093 --> 01:47:28,492
Speaker 2: put on ere Kevin, Hey, HOWI very well.

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Speaker 3: Gareth is standing by for you.

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Speaker 25: Kiv Garret, Hey, Gareth. My question is I used to

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01:47:36,333 --> 01:47:39,412
Speaker 25: work for a crusty company. There used to be a

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Speaker 25: registry for qv saver funds and I used to be

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Speaker 25: with them. I was working with I used to be

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Speaker 25: with them for more than twelve years, and then I

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01:47:48,933 --> 01:47:51,972
Speaker 25: got a better job offer. I resigned on the seventh

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01:47:52,053 --> 01:47:55,732
Speaker 25: of jan and my ansary was on the twenty second

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01:47:55,893 --> 01:48:00,572
Speaker 25: of February. I had around fifty three or fifty four

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01:48:00,732 --> 01:48:04,732
Speaker 25: days of annual leave and they didn't pay me the

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01:48:04,933 --> 01:48:10,492
Speaker 25: full amount for twenty two days, just ten persons. What

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01:48:10,692 --> 01:48:14,492
Speaker 25: they said that contention was I didn't work till my

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01:48:14,612 --> 01:48:18,053
Speaker 25: anastary day and that's why I wasn't paid for the

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01:48:18,133 --> 01:48:18,732
Speaker 25: full amount.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, that is a situation that occurs quite often. There's

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01:48:25,732 --> 01:48:30,652
Speaker 24: a common misconception in terms of holidays. When you finish

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01:48:30,732 --> 01:48:34,253
Speaker 24: up work. There's two different types of payments that happen.

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01:48:34,333 --> 01:48:38,213
Speaker 24: There's payment for the leave which you've become entitled to,

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01:48:38,412 --> 01:48:42,293
Speaker 24: which is the leave where you have passed your anniversary date,

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01:48:42,893 --> 01:48:45,572
Speaker 24: and then there's a crude leave, and there's a formula

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Speaker 24: in the Act for how that's paid out. Basically, it's

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Speaker 24: the accruede leave is paid out at eight percent of

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Speaker 24: your earnings for that year. So from what you've told me,

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01:48:57,372 --> 01:49:02,132
Speaker 24: it sounds like the company has paid it out correctly,

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01:49:03,253 --> 01:49:06,572
Speaker 24: although it does seem like quite a big difference. I

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01:49:06,652 --> 01:49:09,852
Speaker 24: would just ask them for a breakdown. They are required

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Speaker 24: to bride you with the breakdown of your final pay

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Speaker 24: and that should show the two different amounts of leave.

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01:49:18,133 --> 01:49:22,173
Speaker 25: Right So, if I had taken annual leave in should

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01:49:22,173 --> 01:49:25,852
Speaker 25: I resigning right away? How would have been fathful?

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Speaker 6: Because that's a few two days of annual leave.

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01:49:29,732 --> 01:49:33,013
Speaker 24: There still would have been a difference for leave that

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01:49:33,253 --> 01:49:37,253
Speaker 24: you had accrued but not become entitled to when your

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01:49:37,412 --> 01:49:40,253
Speaker 24: final pay was processed. The only way that wouldn't have

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01:49:40,372 --> 01:49:43,133
Speaker 24: happened is if you took all fifty two days leave.

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01:49:43,293 --> 01:49:46,893
Speaker 24: But I'd be quite surprised if your employer would have

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01:49:46,973 --> 01:49:51,133
Speaker 24: allowed you to do that. Okay, the best thing to

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01:49:51,253 --> 01:49:53,732
Speaker 24: do is to ask them for a breakdown and that

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01:49:53,853 --> 01:49:55,333
Speaker 24: should set it out clearly for you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good luck with that, Kevin. One final question here

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Speaker 3: have I text.

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Speaker 24: Not about the holidays?

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01:50:02,093 --> 01:50:04,492
Speaker 3: Are not about the Holiday Act? This one's a good one.

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01:50:04,532 --> 01:50:10,293
Speaker 3: Though I'm a permanent employee and I drive a company vehicle.

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01:50:11,893 --> 01:50:15,092
Speaker 3: I think I should be paid when traveling between jobs,

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Speaker 3: but they refuse to do that. Is that under legislation?

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Speaker 24: That sounds quite surprising. Usually you would expect that to

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01:50:25,372 --> 01:50:29,372
Speaker 24: be paid. It sounds like it's work, But of course,

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01:50:29,452 --> 01:50:33,412
Speaker 24: it really depends on what's in this employment agreement. It

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01:50:33,532 --> 01:50:36,293
Speaker 24: depends on the nature of the work. Usually I would

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Speaker 24: expect an employee who was driving a work vehicle between

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01:50:40,853 --> 01:50:42,692
Speaker 24: jobs to be paid for that travel time.

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Speaker 2: Well, this person that always has been the company our todays,

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01:50:47,452 --> 01:50:49,893
Speaker 2: she will they will only be pay her when she

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Speaker 2: arrived to site.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, okay, so that's slightly different. Often in the construction

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01:50:58,572 --> 01:51:04,333
Speaker 24: industry it is agreed in the employment agreement that payment

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01:51:04,492 --> 01:51:09,052
Speaker 24: only starts from the place of work, which is work site.

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01:51:09,772 --> 01:51:14,293
Speaker 24: In other cases, there's a there's a yard or an

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01:51:14,333 --> 01:51:17,812
Speaker 24: office that they start from, and then the travel would

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01:51:17,893 --> 01:51:21,732
Speaker 24: be covered. It is a difficult one because it really

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01:51:21,772 --> 01:51:25,693
Speaker 24: depends on what's been agreed between the parties. Now, occasionally

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01:51:26,053 --> 01:51:30,452
Speaker 24: you find cases where there is no employment agreement and

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01:51:30,572 --> 01:51:33,452
Speaker 24: it hasn't been set out what's agreed between the parties,

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01:51:33,893 --> 01:51:35,852
Speaker 24: and the employee thinks they've agreed to one thing and

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01:51:36,053 --> 01:51:38,372
Speaker 24: the company thinks they've agreed to something else.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, very good, Gareth, thank you so much. As always,

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01:51:43,173 --> 01:51:46,452
Speaker 3: we've got hundreds of textall save all those for next time,

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Speaker 3: and we promise we'll weed out those holiday bay ones.

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Speaker 3: We won't do that to you again.

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Speaker 24: It's to be fair and you're just like seeing me

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01:51:52,173 --> 01:51:52,572
Speaker 24: in pain.

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01:51:52,893 --> 01:51:53,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do.

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Speaker 2: Actually, the problem is there about ninety five percent of

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Speaker 2: the text of course, So.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, yeah, let's sell you what There's going to be

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01:51:59,452 --> 01:52:01,612
Speaker 24: nothing to discuss if they bring in this new act.

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01:52:01,812 --> 01:52:04,652
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly. Hey go well mate, always a pleasure having

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Speaker 3: you on. We'll catch up again soon.

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Speaker 2: Thanks. Guys.

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Speaker 3: That is Gareth Abdenor and we play an information expert.

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01:52:09,973 --> 01:52:12,933
Speaker 3: You can check him out ebden or law dot in z.

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01:52:13,173 --> 01:52:14,812
Speaker 3: He is very good at what he does. Back in

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01:52:14,853 --> 01:52:15,972
Speaker 3: the moment is eight to four.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

2365
01:52:20,652 --> 01:52:24,452
Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons used

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Speaker 1: talk zi'd be.

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Speaker 3: It is five to four.

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Speaker 2: All right. That brings us to the end of our show.

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01:52:30,053 --> 01:52:32,093
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening. As always, we love

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01:52:32,213 --> 01:52:34,213
Speaker 2: the chats today. It's been a good old time. The

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01:52:34,253 --> 01:52:37,253
Speaker 2: podcast will be out in about an hour. Paul Holmes

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01:52:37,372 --> 01:52:39,932
Speaker 2: Broadcaster of the Year hitherto Plaicy Ellen is up next.

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Speaker 2: But right now, Tyler, my good buddy, why am I

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01:52:42,013 --> 01:52:42,612
Speaker 2: playing this song?

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01:52:43,213 --> 01:52:45,732
Speaker 3: Oh London Calling by the Clash, great showing, but I

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01:52:45,973 --> 01:52:47,452
Speaker 3: genuinely have no idea.

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01:52:47,732 --> 01:52:51,333
Speaker 2: Well, it's because we were talking about civilization breakdown and

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01:52:51,933 --> 01:52:55,972
Speaker 2: this song is about Britain on the brink. It's about

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01:52:56,213 --> 01:53:00,253
Speaker 2: nuclear threats, social decay, and political and competence all crashing together.

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01:53:00,372 --> 01:53:03,093
Speaker 2: It's a rallying cry telling listeners to wake up and

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01:53:03,133 --> 01:53:05,733
Speaker 2: face the realities and resist the oncoming apocalypse.

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Speaker 3: I need to listen to the lyrics more. I just

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Speaker 3: thought it was a good What is a good tune?

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Speaker 2: But that's a great song from the nineteen seventy nine

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Speaker 2: Clash album of the same name, London calling great album,

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Speaker 2: great song. Anyway, you've seen busy, So we'll let you

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Speaker 2: go and talk tomorrow afternoon. Give them a taste of

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Speaker 2: Kiwi from us.

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