1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,519 Speaker 1: So good news. It's a result on the day. Votes 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: still be encountered the course, but Trump wins not just 3 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: the electoral college, but as I said, the real cementing 4 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: factor is the popular vote as well. For Harris fans, 5 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: it's a repeat of sixteen. Headquarters spokesman wanders out in 6 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: the early hours of the morning, tells the candidate won't 7 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: be showing up and we'll see you tomorrow. The Herald's 8 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: deputy political leedit to Thomas coglan with there's Thomas morning, 9 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: Good morning, mate, been there and felt your pain in 10 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. You just wait and wait and wait, and 11 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: they know they've lost, but they just don't want to front. 12 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: We'll see her later on this morning. What was the 13 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: vibe like and when did it hit them that they 14 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: were on the losing side. 15 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 2: Honestly, it hit them pretty early on. So people started 16 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 2: to assemble in the early afternoon. There was a gospel 17 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 2: require and a dance troupe to keep the crowd entertained. 18 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 2: The results started to trickle and as soon as the 19 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 2: polls closed it was about seven o'clock DC time, and 20 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 2: at that point, you know, Trump had a tiny lead 21 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 2: in some of those early results and every ten thirty 22 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 2: minutes they updated those results, and that lead just got 23 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 2: bigger and bigger and bigger. So honestly, a couple of 24 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 2: hours after the results came through, the writing was on 25 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 2: the wall. And from from there on, and you know, 26 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 2: from sort of nine o'clock until until the spokesperson came 27 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 2: out just before one am, it was pretty quiet and 28 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 2: and and did really there was there was not a sound. 29 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 2: Thousands of people gathered on this lawn and and all 30 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:22,479 Speaker 2: you can hear is the music trying to check them 31 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 2: up and the results coming Grantee. 32 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: In twenty sixteen, they couldn't believe it because it was different. 33 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 1: Clinton was going to win. In their mind, there was 34 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: no doubt. Do you think they had the wherewith all 35 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: those people who gathered together their thoughts together to a 36 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 1: point where they think they just misread it, got it 37 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,559 Speaker 1: completely wrong, and they're going to need to profoundly change 38 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: the way they see the world or not. 39 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 2: I think I think you're right. I actually do I 40 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 2: think they had. They do realize that they need to 41 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 2: profoundly change. I don't think what is what is what 42 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 2: has caused that reckoning is just the result of losing 43 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 2: the presidency. I think it's the fact that they lost them. 44 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 2: They looked like they're going to lose the popular vote, 45 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 2: that lost the Senate. They might they might you know, 46 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 2: continue to be behind in the House and not have 47 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 2: the House. So it's a clean sweep for Republicans. Basically 48 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 2: almost every county has swung Republican. Harris was performed worse 49 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 2: than buy them. I think what has changed, you know, 50 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 2: this election versus twenty sixteen, is that twin sixteen, you know, 51 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 2: Clinton won the popular vote, things were a wee bit different. 52 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 2: You could make an argument about what the Democrats were 53 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 2: selling some people, like twenty twenty four, it's very clear 54 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 2: that what the Democrats had on offer, you know, was 55 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 2: just profoundly inadequate for what people want. But there's no 56 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:34,839 Speaker 2: case that you can make that this is anything other 57 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:36,679 Speaker 2: than being quite a serious defeat for them. So I 58 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:37,920 Speaker 2: think there will be a massive repining. 59 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 1: Were you surprised yesterday, Thomas, I mean, you've been around 60 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: bits of America in your time. There was there something 61 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: brewing that we saw unfold or were a little taken aback. 62 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 2: I saw some of the polls said that there was 63 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 2: a you know, it was a toss up, but if 64 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,239 Speaker 2: Trump won, there was a good chance that he would 65 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 2: win by you know, effectively a clean sweep in the 66 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 2: swing States. So I wasn't so surprised by that because 67 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 2: that was that was one of the scenarios that people said, 68 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 2: was you know, quite a likely one. One thing I 69 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 2: had noticed is people here, really there's an almost universal 70 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 2: belief that for all of Trump's faults, you know, and 71 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 2: a lot of people would pul say, a lot of 72 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 2: people don't like Donald Trump, for all Trump's faults, life 73 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 2: was better four years ago. And everyone would say that 74 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 2: to Democrats, Republicans, people who are on the fence. And 75 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 2: you know, for me, as a New Zealander, hearing that, 76 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 2: that sounds a lot to me like what New Zealanders 77 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 2: were telling us last year. So you know, it was 78 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 2: that was the thing that really swung out. I think 79 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 2: you just ask people like and Trump Trump said this. 80 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 2: He would open every rally, do you feel better off 81 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 2: than you did four years ago? Everyone would say no, 82 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 2: you know, And so it's a real that the writing 83 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 2: was on the wall there. People would say, look, I 84 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 2: get it, you know, he's not a very nice guy, 85 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 2: but I'm not I'm not going to dispute that. But 86 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 2: my life was a bit of four years ago, so 87 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 2: you know, I'm going to take the box good stuff. 88 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: Trouble Well might appreciate it. Thomas Cogglan, New Zealand here Ald, 89 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: Deputy Political Editor. It is the classic line, where is 90 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: the country going on the right path in the right direction. 91 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: If the answers no, you change the government. 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