1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: There is no finer year than an election year. Of course, 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 1: in the Prime Minister has the honor of calling that 3 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: particular datey Also, as we've talked about, kicks off the 4 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 1: year today with the State of the Nation, and Christopher 5 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:11,879 Speaker 1: Luxen is with us. Good morning, Good morning, Mike, and 6 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: yet tis vacuately and I'm glad you recognized that fact. 7 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 1: I came back two weeks early, and we're going to 8 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:21,080 Speaker 1: get this country whipped into shape. Now turn around, look 9 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: behind you at the wall. Look look what is that? 10 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 2: That is the Mike Hosking breakfast calendar. I love that 11 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 2: that's up and about and I have very much enjoyed 12 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 2: your dinner trays as well. Very nice of that. 13 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: Are they working well? 14 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,879 Speaker 2: I'll send you a photo. Actually that quality, I mean, 15 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,279 Speaker 2: the thing is I just finished the place and then 16 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 2: you're just looking at your ugly mug at the Indiana minute. 17 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 1: They mold nicely into the thigh they do. 18 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 2: They've got that lovely bean bag of a nice consistence. 19 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 1: Have you know, by the way, you gave me two calendars. 20 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: That one's there, so this place paid for that and 21 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: put on some sort of cheap backing board. Yes, I 22 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: took it down to a proper framer my one, and 23 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: that's in your garage, it's in the super hall, it's 24 00:00:57,480 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: in the room, it's in the ballroom. 25 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 2: So have you remembered your passwords for the day? I did? 26 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: They had they changed my password because they did one 27 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: of those longer ones. 28 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 2: Yes, so that was when they do that. 29 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: It's almost problematic, but I got there in the end. 30 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 1: So we're good to see you anyway, and good to 31 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: see you as well. Today's stay to the nation. Is 32 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: it boring and lengthy or on? 33 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 2: Well, it's really just a chance to lay up exactly 34 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 2: where we are and what's going on. And yeah, I 35 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 2: think everyone understands we inherit a hell of a mess, 36 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 2: and we've had to fix a lot of the basics 37 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 2: over the last two years. But yeah, are you started 38 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 2: to see all the leading indicators come right? And I 39 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 2: think there's some really encouraging and positive things that the 40 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 2: recovery is now actually underway. And so the question is 41 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:38,559 Speaker 2: do you want to just watch a recovery take place, 42 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 2: or do you actually want to build out and do 43 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 2: the right reforms and things that we need to do 44 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 2: to set the country up for a great future. So 45 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 2: it's really this notion of how do we fix the 46 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 2: basics and we've still got stuff we've got to continue 47 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 2: to do daily in that area, but also how do 48 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 2: we think about some of the challenges as countries had 49 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 2: for thirty years and actually deal with those things that 50 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 2: we need to build the future around. 51 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: For the record, there will be no new policy today. 52 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 2: We won't be announcing any policy, but I want to. 53 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 2: I want to announce a framework, and then there'll be 54 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 2: more policies we go through the course of this year. 55 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 2: No election date today, No, not today, but Wednesday. It'll 56 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 2: come shortly. 57 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 1: It will come Wednesday, very shortly. So Wednesday the retreat 58 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 1: in christ Is there a reshuffle coming? 59 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,519 Speaker 2: Look, not at this point. There may well be in 60 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 2: the next month or two. But I'll make that call 61 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 2: just based off you know, we may have some retirements. 62 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: We may have some When you say you may have 63 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 1: some retirements, do you. 64 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 2: Well No, I don't know. But we may well have some, 65 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 2: in which case we might reshuffle some things around. But 66 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 2: there's no need for me to feel a compunction. 67 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: Christmas to all your troops, Listen, if anyone's going to 68 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: retire an election year, let me know so it doesn't 69 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: come out as a surprise. 70 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 2: People make their own decisions and they will start doing 71 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 2: that at this time of the year. But you know, 72 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 2: as I've said on reshuffles, I just make changes when 73 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 2: I need to and when I need to feel like 74 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 2: portfolios need to be reallocated, We'll do that. 75 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: Okay. As far as the economy is concerned, I mean, 76 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:54,519 Speaker 1: it's Christmas kind of got on the way of the 77 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: good news. I mean, the FTA will indigate. You can't 78 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: argue with that. That's nothing. 79 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:00,639 Speaker 2: I'm really excited about that. I mean, if you think 80 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 2: through ten years from now, twenty years from now, what 81 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 2: that means for New Zealand, that's mess. If I mean, 82 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 2: the Indians reckon they'll be the third biggest economy in 83 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 2: twenty eight most economists think twenty thirty. And if you 84 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 2: think about you know, just us participating, getting it on 85 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,399 Speaker 2: the ground floor, growing with the growing country. Yeah, they've 86 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 2: got four hundred and forty million people sitting in their 87 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 2: middle class. They reckon they'll have seven hundred and fifty 88 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 2: million by the end of the decade. That's huge for us. 89 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: So in that is the interesting thing. So Peters wasn't 90 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: particularly thrilled with the FTA. And this is going to 91 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: be a theme this year, isn't it. How do you 92 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: differentiate yourself between being Prime Minister and the leader of 93 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: the National Party. How does he differentiate himself between the 94 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: leader of the you know, etc. And David seymore the 95 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: same without the media leaping on board, going cracks in 96 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: the coalition. 97 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 2: Exactly, yeah, exactly. It's it's actually called a mature MMP environment, right, 98 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 2: and it's rightly or wrongly, this is the electoral system 99 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 2: that we've selected over many years. You've got to make 100 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 2: it work. That means that you actually do need to 101 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 2: delegate responsibilities in government to different ministers will say things 102 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 2: slightly differently. As I've said from day one, that's okay 103 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 2: as long as you united around the core of what 104 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 2: you're doing in government, which we are around the economy 105 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 2: and law and order and health and education and all 106 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 2: that good stuff. But yeah, they need to also everyone 107 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 2: needs to have space in a party sense, to differentiate 108 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 2: and talk to their constituents and talk to their policies 109 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 2: and so yeah, just about you know, the compartmentalization of 110 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 2: that and being able to do that maturely. 111 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: Do you think it can be done maturely? 112 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I do. I do. I mean, I think we've 113 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 2: demonstrated that from day one. I mean we've put a 114 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 2: three party coalition together with some big personalities parties that 115 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 2: actually have differences, but actually are very united on the 116 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 2: core of what we're doing. And I think you've got 117 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 2: to You can't expect to have a first past the 118 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 2: posts homogeneous sort of expression on everything in an MMP environment. 119 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 2: You don't see that in Western Europe and the coalition 120 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 2: governments that are formed there. And I think we've managed 121 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 2: it very well. 122 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: The poll out the other day on asset your idea 123 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 1: on selling some assets, and yeah, I was surprised at 124 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 1: how much support it's got. 125 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, I read that as well. I mean, again, what 126 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 2: I was trying to foreshadow last year was that you've 127 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 2: got a choice. You've got money, You've got a set 128 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 2: of dollars, and the questions are you getting the best 129 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 2: return for those dollars? And New Zealand needs a lot 130 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 2: of assets and it needs a lot of investment, and 131 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 2: are you better to recycle assets and redeploy funds to 132 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 2: other purposes. But it was interesting to see that there 133 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 2: was I can't starting to understand that there are choices 134 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 2: that you get to make with money. 135 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: To be honest, I think that's the forgotten middle class 136 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 1: of this country. There's a lot of people in this 137 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: country that understand concepts like that. They don't necessarily get 138 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: represented in the media or make the headlines or any 139 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 1: of that. People get it well. 140 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 2: They have to make those choices in their own family budgets, 141 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 2: or they are small business people making those choices in 142 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 2: their own businesses. They understand the use of money and 143 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 2: how you get better returns. 144 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: So is that worth campaigning on heart? Because you're never 145 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 1: going to get it past Peter's is the problem. So 146 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: therefore you've got to calculate as good an idea as 147 00:05:57,680 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: I might think it may be. If I can't get 148 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: it past my coalition partner, what's the point because you've 149 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 1: got other fish to pry in a campaign. 150 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think you know if you know, and 151 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 2: we'll think it through as we go through the course 152 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:08,359 Speaker 2: of the year. That's one of the things that you 153 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 2: could argue is about building the future because you actually 154 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 2: could take that capital that's tied up in those assets. 155 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 2: Some of those assets will be underperforming, some will be 156 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 2: performing fine, and actually say can you do better things? 157 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 2: With it. Well, I think we should make the case 158 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 2: for that now. At the end of the day, then 159 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 2: you've got to be brutally pragmatic when you come to 160 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 2: a coalition formation after an election. That's why I'm going 161 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 2: to make the case very strongly as you'll get sick 162 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 2: of hearing us say, you know that you should party 163 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 2: vote national, because that's actually going to be the thing 164 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:35,679 Speaker 2: that will give you the strongest stable government. 165 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 1: Criticism over the holiday period was you were absent when 166 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: the world was going through some its current tumult Your 167 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: view on Venezuela illegal or not. 168 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 2: Ultimately for the US to explain. We want all countries 169 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 2: compliant with international law. It's up for them to explain. 170 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:54,280 Speaker 2: We're not a fan of Maduro. In fact, our New 171 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 2: Zealand has never supported that regime. Pretty bad dude, cause 172 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 2: a lot of pain and suffering inside venezuel Now it's 173 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 2: really about what comes next. 174 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: There Greenland illegal or not. 175 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 2: Well, again, we're not a supporter of Tariff's whatsoever. We 176 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 2: think that's just bad news for the global economy. I 177 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 2: think that leads to a spiraling that's not good for 178 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 2: the world. We want transatlantic relationships to be positive it's 179 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 2: a New Zealand's interest for that to be so, and 180 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 2: I think frankly, sitting down and having a discussion about 181 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 2: Arctic security concerns and how NATO works together on that, 182 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 2: which includes the US and the Europeans, would be the 183 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 2: sensible thing to do. 184 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: But do you worry about NATO future? 185 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 2: Well no, I mean I've been to a couple of 186 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 2: NATO meetings now as a guest, and I've been really 187 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 2: impressed to see them all stepping up their collective responsibility, 188 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 2: which they've desperately needed to do. They were in a 189 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 2: place where they were freeloading and now as a result, 190 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 2: they have made some serious commitments to edge towards closer 191 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 2: to five percent of GDP on defense mending. But in 192 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 2: a place like Greenland, and if there are genuine you 193 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 2: concerns from the US around Arctic security, you know, it's 194 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 2: very clear the Greenlanders want to be part of Denmark. 195 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 2: You know, that is their decision. Is a sovereign nation 196 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 2: to make that decision. The US, you know, I think 197 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 2: the use of tariffs isn't great, but they should get 198 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 2: into discussions and sort through the concerns they actually have. 199 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: Do you think we're heading. The best line I read 200 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: over the period was the age of the Empires. Do 201 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: you think we're heading back to the age of the Empires? 202 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an interesting discourse. There's no doubt about it. 203 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:21,239 Speaker 2: The system that we've had for the last seventy years 204 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 2: is rupturing big time, and I think that's a really 205 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 2: big call to action for New Zealand to say, look, 206 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 2: let's control what we can control, and what we can 207 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 2: control is building out a stronger economy here at home, 208 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 2: and what we can control is actually diversifying and developing 209 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 2: deeper partnerships and relationships abroad. And our relative position because 210 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 2: all one hundred and ninety five countries are dealing with 211 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 2: the challenges that are out there in the world today, 212 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 2: is actually very strong. We have what the world wants, 213 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,719 Speaker 2: we have the values that people aspire to have. We're 214 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 2: seen as a good, reliable partner, and you know, we 215 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 2: can do well for ourselves. So you know, that's why 216 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 2: the call to action to say, we've got to continue 217 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 2: to fix the basics, make New Zealand stronger at home here, 218 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 2: Let's focus on what we can focus on and control 219 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:04,959 Speaker 2: what we can control, and then build out a broader 220 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:06,839 Speaker 2: set of relationships, which is why we've been out there 221 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 2: hustling right from day one other the last two years 222 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 2: to set those opportunities up for the country. So yeah, 223 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 2: I know it's challenging. I know a lot of listeners 224 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 2: will be feeling anxious about what's going on in the world. 225 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 2: But let's control what we can control, and we have 226 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 2: a fantastic future and we've got a lot of potential 227 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 2: that's got to get and realized in this country. And 228 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 2: that's the exciting work ahead of it. 229 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:25,079 Speaker 1: It's going to be quite the year. It's going to 230 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: be fun, good stuff. No SketchUp with you appreciate it, 231 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: Crystal bal Lux. For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, 232 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: listen live to news talks. It'd be from six am weekdays, 233 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:35,959 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio