1 00:00:06,707 --> 00:00:10,467 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,747 --> 00:00:11,907 Speaker 1: from News Talk ZEDB. 3 00:00:12,827 --> 00:00:17,107 Speaker 2: The Melbourne Cup, one of world sports most iconic trophies, 4 00:00:17,347 --> 00:00:20,347 Speaker 2: is on tour in New Zealand under the watchful eye 5 00:00:20,387 --> 00:00:24,107 Speaker 2: of Joe mcgrah who was keeper of the Cup. Joe 6 00:00:24,147 --> 00:00:27,467 Speaker 2: has responsibility for the eighteen carrot gold seven hundred and 7 00:00:27,507 --> 00:00:31,667 Speaker 2: fifty thousand Australian dollar Melbourne Cup trophy whenever it goes 8 00:00:31,707 --> 00:00:33,507 Speaker 2: on to it. He's the first person to hold this 9 00:00:33,627 --> 00:00:36,427 Speaker 2: role and has been doing it since the tour started 10 00:00:36,507 --> 00:00:39,267 Speaker 2: with the Melbourne Cup back in two thousand and three. 11 00:00:39,387 --> 00:00:41,827 Speaker 2: He stopped into the studio. Good to see you, Joe. 12 00:00:41,827 --> 00:00:43,707 Speaker 2: How did you get the job? 13 00:00:44,307 --> 00:00:49,387 Speaker 3: Well, Ponty probably lucky in many ways and a few 14 00:00:49,427 --> 00:00:52,587 Speaker 3: fortunate things happened, and someone actually said, we're going to 15 00:00:52,627 --> 00:00:55,707 Speaker 3: take the trophy on the road, would you like to 16 00:00:55,747 --> 00:00:58,387 Speaker 3: have a chat about it on the road. So I 17 00:00:58,427 --> 00:01:00,947 Speaker 3: did that Back in two thousand and three, Makaybi divers 18 00:01:01,027 --> 00:01:06,427 Speaker 3: first Melbourne Cup and it was a resounding success and 19 00:01:07,227 --> 00:01:11,187 Speaker 3: since then I've managed the event and look, it's been 20 00:01:11,227 --> 00:01:12,947 Speaker 3: a labor of love if you want to call it that, 21 00:01:14,307 --> 00:01:16,947 Speaker 3: and you know, really privileged to hold the role. 22 00:01:17,187 --> 00:01:19,347 Speaker 2: I want to talk a bit about traveling with such 23 00:01:19,347 --> 00:01:25,027 Speaker 2: a a prestigious and valuable piece of cargo. But does 24 00:01:25,067 --> 00:01:27,307 Speaker 2: your association with racing go back? 25 00:01:27,347 --> 00:01:32,827 Speaker 3: All we wait, Yes it does. My family book making 26 00:01:33,107 --> 00:01:37,987 Speaker 3: horse breeding media even got a nephew who's now training 27 00:01:39,067 --> 00:01:41,547 Speaker 3: at the moment. So yeah, look, I grew up with it, 28 00:01:41,587 --> 00:01:43,947 Speaker 3: and I was the youngest of seven, and I had 29 00:01:43,947 --> 00:01:46,227 Speaker 3: a brother, have a brother, Jim, who was a race 30 00:01:46,307 --> 00:01:51,067 Speaker 3: caller in Europe, and pretty much grew up with you know, 31 00:01:51,187 --> 00:01:55,907 Speaker 3: form guides and hearing the breakfast shows on a Saturday 32 00:01:55,907 --> 00:01:58,987 Speaker 3: morning in the kitchen. And I sort of thought everyone 33 00:01:59,427 --> 00:02:02,987 Speaker 3: lived this lifestyle, I thought until I went over to 34 00:02:03,027 --> 00:02:05,387 Speaker 3: a few friends at school and realized that none of 35 00:02:05,467 --> 00:02:09,027 Speaker 3: them turned onto the same things. So yeah, I suppose 36 00:02:09,067 --> 00:02:11,507 Speaker 3: it's from, you know, just being brought up with it. 37 00:02:12,467 --> 00:02:15,627 Speaker 3: And yet we had a bit of success with horse breeding. 38 00:02:15,667 --> 00:02:17,587 Speaker 3: And I suppose my family had a runner in the 39 00:02:17,747 --> 00:02:20,627 Speaker 3: nineteen sixty seven Melbourne Cup, which led about one hundred 40 00:02:20,627 --> 00:02:24,827 Speaker 3: and fifty meters from the post pony and came from 41 00:02:25,027 --> 00:02:29,587 Speaker 3: dun Eden, was bred in dun Eden down that way, 42 00:02:29,627 --> 00:02:33,467 Speaker 3: and the Diddams bred the horse, and yeah, you know, 43 00:02:33,587 --> 00:02:35,907 Speaker 3: it was amazing. She was a mayor that went on 44 00:02:35,947 --> 00:02:39,027 Speaker 3: to stud and was a great producer. And I think 45 00:02:39,027 --> 00:02:41,067 Speaker 3: that's where it bit me at about the age of 46 00:02:41,107 --> 00:02:43,627 Speaker 3: twelve or thirteen, and I haven't been able to shake 47 00:02:43,667 --> 00:02:44,107 Speaker 3: it since. 48 00:02:44,547 --> 00:02:46,587 Speaker 2: Well, you sound like the perfect demand to be the 49 00:02:46,667 --> 00:02:51,107 Speaker 2: keeper of the cup. Interested in how the Melbourne Cup travels, 50 00:02:51,387 --> 00:02:55,227 Speaker 2: what special requirements are there, what special measures are in 51 00:02:55,307 --> 00:02:58,707 Speaker 2: place to assure that, as I said before, precious piece 52 00:02:58,707 --> 00:03:00,627 Speaker 2: of cargo is okay. 53 00:03:00,867 --> 00:03:03,507 Speaker 3: Well, I suppose this the you know, the obvious one 54 00:03:03,507 --> 00:03:07,067 Speaker 3: would be to have security where we're doing public events 55 00:03:07,067 --> 00:03:10,347 Speaker 3: and making sure that it's safe and looked after. But 56 00:03:10,387 --> 00:03:13,387 Speaker 3: I suppose you know the flip side of all that 57 00:03:13,427 --> 00:03:16,267 Speaker 3: traveling it around, it's trying to be as nondescript as 58 00:03:16,267 --> 00:03:20,987 Speaker 3: you can be, don't draw any attention to yourself. It 59 00:03:21,027 --> 00:03:23,947 Speaker 3: does need its own paperwork as it goes out of 60 00:03:23,987 --> 00:03:27,347 Speaker 3: the country, so call it a passport which needs to 61 00:03:27,827 --> 00:03:30,747 Speaker 3: go through all the authorities and get stamped and stamped 62 00:03:30,747 --> 00:03:32,387 Speaker 3: on the way out, stamped on the way back in. 63 00:03:33,547 --> 00:03:36,307 Speaker 3: So I think you know they're they're the sort of protocols. 64 00:03:36,827 --> 00:03:40,867 Speaker 3: But certainly, you know, wearing the gloves is a key moment, 65 00:03:40,947 --> 00:03:44,507 Speaker 3: you know, key protocol as well in terms of protecting 66 00:03:44,547 --> 00:03:47,187 Speaker 3: the gold, because I mean, it is eighteen carrot gold, 67 00:03:48,067 --> 00:03:49,587 Speaker 3: and you know you're sort of going to remind yourself 68 00:03:49,587 --> 00:03:52,867 Speaker 3: it's the most precious metal on the planet and it's 69 00:03:52,907 --> 00:03:56,307 Speaker 3: gone through the roof and now the trophies worth eight 70 00:03:56,387 --> 00:04:00,027 Speaker 3: hundred and forty thousand New Zealand dollars, so you know 71 00:04:00,067 --> 00:04:03,467 Speaker 3: you've got to make sure remind yourself just to keep 72 00:04:03,507 --> 00:04:04,387 Speaker 3: it in good order. 73 00:04:04,867 --> 00:04:06,827 Speaker 2: So you don't carry it onto the place, though, do 74 00:04:06,867 --> 00:04:08,987 Speaker 2: you It goes in the in the hold, does it? 75 00:04:09,387 --> 00:04:12,827 Speaker 2: You know what are you not allowed to say? Are 76 00:04:12,867 --> 00:04:13,667 Speaker 2: you not allowed to say? 77 00:04:13,667 --> 00:04:15,627 Speaker 3: No? No, no, no. I would never do that. I'd 78 00:04:15,627 --> 00:04:17,907 Speaker 3: never put it down the hole. I don't think. I 79 00:04:17,907 --> 00:04:20,907 Speaker 3: don't know if you've traveled lately, but your luggage could 80 00:04:20,987 --> 00:04:22,707 Speaker 3: end up over the other side of the world. So 81 00:04:23,587 --> 00:04:25,507 Speaker 3: I don't know how i'd be about a Melbourne cup 82 00:04:25,547 --> 00:04:27,707 Speaker 3: going down the back of the plane. So we do. 83 00:04:28,067 --> 00:04:31,547 Speaker 3: We're fortunate that it is the size that it is. 84 00:04:31,587 --> 00:04:36,787 Speaker 3: It's thirty eight centimeters tall, pretty compact, and it can 85 00:04:36,867 --> 00:04:41,147 Speaker 3: travel as over head luggage and right a weighs three 86 00:04:41,147 --> 00:04:45,307 Speaker 3: point eighty five kilos, so all those you know, specifications 87 00:04:45,347 --> 00:04:48,747 Speaker 3: sort of fit in the with the airlines in taking 88 00:04:48,787 --> 00:04:51,667 Speaker 3: over head luggage. So let's just say we know where 89 00:04:51,667 --> 00:04:54,387 Speaker 3: it is at all times, and it's not far from 90 00:04:54,427 --> 00:04:55,867 Speaker 3: us as we travel. 91 00:04:55,987 --> 00:04:57,787 Speaker 2: I feel like it should have its own seat, But 92 00:04:57,827 --> 00:05:00,387 Speaker 2: then again, that would probably draw attention to it, wouldn't it. 93 00:05:00,387 --> 00:05:02,387 Speaker 2: As you say, you kind of almost want it to be, 94 00:05:02,707 --> 00:05:05,787 Speaker 2: you know, a little bit nondescript. Sorry about all the 95 00:05:05,787 --> 00:05:07,587 Speaker 2: travel questions, But do you put it through that? You know, 96 00:05:07,587 --> 00:05:10,547 Speaker 2: we have to put our bags through the scanner as 97 00:05:10,547 --> 00:05:14,067 Speaker 2: we go through. Surely it gets an exemption from that. 98 00:05:15,107 --> 00:05:17,347 Speaker 3: No, you just put it through the You just I 99 00:05:17,387 --> 00:05:20,907 Speaker 3: always love to see the security people that because they 100 00:05:20,987 --> 00:05:22,707 Speaker 3: see a lot of different items come through and then 101 00:05:22,747 --> 00:05:25,067 Speaker 3: when they see it, they stop and then they look 102 00:05:25,107 --> 00:05:27,187 Speaker 3: at it. And then it's got a three D sort 103 00:05:27,187 --> 00:05:30,027 Speaker 3: of scanner that can go all different angles, and then 104 00:05:30,067 --> 00:05:33,907 Speaker 3: they look at you and go, yep, it is. And 105 00:05:34,067 --> 00:05:36,587 Speaker 3: you know, most are just intrigued as to what the 106 00:05:36,587 --> 00:05:39,427 Speaker 3: trophy represents. And you know, because some parts of the 107 00:05:39,467 --> 00:05:41,587 Speaker 3: world they've never heard of it or never heard of 108 00:05:41,827 --> 00:05:44,587 Speaker 3: you know, they may not be into horse racing necessarily, 109 00:05:44,667 --> 00:05:48,667 Speaker 3: and but other places they just sail on through and 110 00:05:49,027 --> 00:05:51,987 Speaker 3: next you know, it's sort of how it goes, but 111 00:05:52,907 --> 00:05:55,867 Speaker 3: no look at it. You know, we always you know, 112 00:05:56,027 --> 00:05:58,507 Speaker 3: look after it and make sure that it's it's safe 113 00:05:58,547 --> 00:06:00,667 Speaker 3: as we travel and the easiest way to do that 114 00:06:00,787 --> 00:06:02,587 Speaker 3: is make sure it's with you absolutely. 115 00:06:02,667 --> 00:06:04,947 Speaker 2: Well, we all know it's the race that stops not 116 00:06:04,987 --> 00:06:07,107 Speaker 2: just your nation but ours as well well, the race 117 00:06:07,107 --> 00:06:09,867 Speaker 2: that stops two nations. Why do you think, Joe, the 118 00:06:09,907 --> 00:06:13,587 Speaker 2: Melbourne Cup is still so special, still so iconic and 119 00:06:13,627 --> 00:06:16,147 Speaker 2: a very crowded sporting landscape. 120 00:06:16,147 --> 00:06:19,947 Speaker 3: Now, well, I think it's you know, horse racing goes 121 00:06:19,987 --> 00:06:23,187 Speaker 3: back a long way in both Australia and New Zealand, 122 00:06:23,267 --> 00:06:26,747 Speaker 3: and you know the first New Zealand bred horse goes 123 00:06:26,787 --> 00:06:29,787 Speaker 3: back to eighteen eighty three with Martini Henry and there's 124 00:06:29,827 --> 00:06:32,307 Speaker 3: forty four New Zealand bred horses that have won the race. 125 00:06:33,507 --> 00:06:35,507 Speaker 3: And you know you put in a few icons in 126 00:06:35,547 --> 00:06:38,947 Speaker 3: there as like Farlap in nineteen thirty and Carbine and 127 00:06:39,267 --> 00:06:42,587 Speaker 3: eighteen ninety. You know, there's there's strong history and I think, 128 00:06:43,347 --> 00:06:46,227 Speaker 3: you know, I personally think from an Australian perspective, there's 129 00:06:46,867 --> 00:06:50,027 Speaker 3: certain things that you know part of your cultural identity 130 00:06:51,027 --> 00:06:54,027 Speaker 3: and I would certainly think the Ansacs are very much 131 00:06:54,067 --> 00:06:58,787 Speaker 3: part of that. The baggy green cap is also in that, 132 00:06:58,907 --> 00:07:03,827 Speaker 3: and you know the surf Life Saver also and I 133 00:07:03,827 --> 00:07:07,147 Speaker 3: would throw I put the Melbourne Cup as part of 134 00:07:07,387 --> 00:07:11,147 Speaker 3: what we've all grown up with and becomes part of 135 00:07:11,187 --> 00:07:14,907 Speaker 3: your cultural identity. And I think once you start, you know, 136 00:07:15,427 --> 00:07:20,347 Speaker 3: playing around with any of those, I call them virtually untouchables. 137 00:07:20,347 --> 00:07:23,307 Speaker 3: You know, you just don't want to mess around with them. 138 00:07:23,307 --> 00:07:25,787 Speaker 3: Once you start doing that, everyone gets a little bit 139 00:07:25,787 --> 00:07:29,667 Speaker 3: antsy about it, you know, don't you touch that? You know, 140 00:07:29,787 --> 00:07:32,067 Speaker 3: this is I grew up with that, you know, and 141 00:07:32,107 --> 00:07:35,267 Speaker 3: it means a far lap and so you you know, 142 00:07:35,387 --> 00:07:39,227 Speaker 3: these are the things and we're around it, you know, 143 00:07:39,347 --> 00:07:41,707 Speaker 3: all the time. But once you do get on the 144 00:07:41,747 --> 00:07:44,747 Speaker 3: road you start to see, you know, people's reactions and 145 00:07:46,307 --> 00:07:50,667 Speaker 3: what it means to them. You gain an appreciation. I 146 00:07:50,747 --> 00:07:53,507 Speaker 3: said on that first tour back in two thousand and three, 147 00:07:53,547 --> 00:07:57,067 Speaker 3: I said, and the committee quiz me as to you 148 00:07:57,067 --> 00:07:59,587 Speaker 3: know what the response was, and I said, look, it's 149 00:08:00,067 --> 00:08:04,467 Speaker 3: not a sporting icon. It it's a cultural phenomenon. I 150 00:08:04,507 --> 00:08:07,707 Speaker 3: mean like it it's you know, you go out to 151 00:08:07,867 --> 00:08:11,067 Speaker 3: different parts of Australia in particular, they know more about 152 00:08:11,067 --> 00:08:16,227 Speaker 3: it than you do. And it's and you're not selling 153 00:08:16,227 --> 00:08:20,667 Speaker 3: it into them. They know it. It's And I can't 154 00:08:20,667 --> 00:08:23,307 Speaker 3: work out how seven eight year olds know who Farlap 155 00:08:23,347 --> 00:08:26,667 Speaker 3: is and they do. Just fascinated. 156 00:08:27,107 --> 00:08:28,787 Speaker 2: Do you have a favorite Melbourne Cup race? 157 00:08:30,067 --> 00:08:33,267 Speaker 3: Look, I think I've been to a number of Melbourne 158 00:08:33,307 --> 00:08:36,187 Speaker 3: Cups since the mid seventies onwards. But look, I think 159 00:08:36,507 --> 00:08:39,307 Speaker 3: the historical part of it is what fascinates me. And 160 00:08:39,547 --> 00:08:41,307 Speaker 3: I would have loved to have been there for Farlaps 161 00:08:41,387 --> 00:08:46,627 Speaker 3: nineteen thirty Melbourne Cup. Look, and you know, I've come 162 00:08:46,707 --> 00:08:50,667 Speaker 3: to enjoy the many stories connected over that one hundred 163 00:08:50,667 --> 00:08:53,387 Speaker 3: and sixty three year period. And I often say to 164 00:08:53,427 --> 00:08:56,987 Speaker 3: people they often go to Makaybe Diva and Farlap, and 165 00:08:57,107 --> 00:09:00,147 Speaker 3: I say the first third, the first thirty forty years 166 00:09:00,307 --> 00:09:04,467 Speaker 3: history of the Melbourne Cup is quite fascinating. And they 167 00:09:04,467 --> 00:09:08,387 Speaker 3: were boom times in Melbourne and some pretty you know, 168 00:09:08,547 --> 00:09:12,707 Speaker 3: unique horses like Archer winning back to back, you know, 169 00:09:13,067 --> 00:09:15,507 Speaker 3: the barb And I mean there was a horse called 170 00:09:15,547 --> 00:09:18,067 Speaker 3: bryce Is in eighteen seventy six of Philly that won 171 00:09:18,187 --> 00:09:20,587 Speaker 3: the Derby on the Saturday, the Cup on the Tuesday, 172 00:09:20,627 --> 00:09:23,667 Speaker 3: and the Oaks on the Thursday and The Cup winner 173 00:09:23,827 --> 00:09:31,867 Speaker 3: was ridden by an eleven year old Peterson Auburns. Tom 174 00:09:31,907 --> 00:09:35,107 Speaker 3: Hales rode Bryce's in the Derby and the Oaks, but 175 00:09:35,147 --> 00:09:38,067 Speaker 3: couldn't get down to the lightweight in the Cup. And 176 00:09:38,547 --> 00:09:41,507 Speaker 3: I mean there's some really, I mean you it's hard 177 00:09:41,507 --> 00:09:46,307 Speaker 3: to believe, but a lot of younger riders were engaged 178 00:09:46,347 --> 00:09:49,587 Speaker 3: in that. You know, they didn't now you, they won't 179 00:09:49,667 --> 00:09:52,187 Speaker 3: let you ride in a race until you're over sixteen 180 00:09:52,347 --> 00:09:57,547 Speaker 3: or thereabouts, certainly in Australia, but way back you know, 181 00:09:57,707 --> 00:10:00,987 Speaker 3: they utilized a lot younger jockey. So there's you know 182 00:10:01,027 --> 00:10:05,467 Speaker 3: that early history carbine carrying, you know, huge weight of 183 00:10:05,507 --> 00:10:07,987 Speaker 3: sixty five and a half kilos in eighteen ninety and 184 00:10:08,747 --> 00:10:11,907 Speaker 3: you know all everything that went around that period of time, 185 00:10:13,307 --> 00:10:17,467 Speaker 3: you know, is what I find what intrigues me about 186 00:10:17,467 --> 00:10:20,427 Speaker 3: the race. And you start to unearth the different characters 187 00:10:20,427 --> 00:10:24,547 Speaker 3: that were involved, you learn a lot about Australian history, 188 00:10:24,667 --> 00:10:26,707 Speaker 3: let alone New Zealand history as well. 189 00:10:26,547 --> 00:10:30,467 Speaker 2: I'll be just another protocol question. Does the just the 190 00:10:30,547 --> 00:10:33,027 Speaker 2: owner or the winning owner or the syndicate that owns 191 00:10:33,027 --> 00:10:35,667 Speaker 2: the winning horse get to have the cup overnight? Do 192 00:10:35,747 --> 00:10:40,227 Speaker 2: they actually get to assume ownership of it? Temporarily or not. 193 00:10:41,467 --> 00:10:41,707 Speaker 1: Well. 194 00:10:41,987 --> 00:10:46,267 Speaker 3: I can remember when I had my first child and 195 00:10:46,467 --> 00:10:49,427 Speaker 3: at the hospital and once you have the baby, everyone 196 00:10:49,507 --> 00:10:53,747 Speaker 3: leaves the room and it's like, hang on, is anyone 197 00:10:53,787 --> 00:10:56,747 Speaker 3: going to help us here? It's like it's a bit 198 00:10:56,827 --> 00:11:00,987 Speaker 3: like that. It's like you're on your own and they 199 00:11:00,987 --> 00:11:03,907 Speaker 3: go and I actually, you know, we talked to our 200 00:11:03,947 --> 00:11:07,347 Speaker 3: security on course. I say, look, just follow them for 201 00:11:07,387 --> 00:11:10,587 Speaker 3: the next few hours because they don't know what they've 202 00:11:10,587 --> 00:11:14,227 Speaker 3: actually won until they've got it. And then and some 203 00:11:14,267 --> 00:11:15,867 Speaker 3: of them just walk out of a bar and just 204 00:11:15,947 --> 00:11:19,827 Speaker 3: leave it. It's like, hang on, this is yours. You've 205 00:11:19,827 --> 00:11:23,307 Speaker 3: got to look after it. So once they're off the 206 00:11:23,307 --> 00:11:25,907 Speaker 3: course and they go off to somewhere in the city, 207 00:11:25,907 --> 00:11:31,667 Speaker 3: at no doubt and party till the early hours, it 208 00:11:31,787 --> 00:11:33,947 Speaker 3: is theirs. I make sure I don't look at my 209 00:11:33,987 --> 00:11:38,387 Speaker 3: phone for the next two days because sometimes there's ah, 210 00:11:38,387 --> 00:11:40,507 Speaker 3: well this sort of happened or that happened. I go, 211 00:11:40,627 --> 00:11:43,587 Speaker 3: I don't want to know about that, really, but we 212 00:11:44,707 --> 00:11:49,507 Speaker 3: make sure we give them every assistance up until a point. 213 00:11:49,827 --> 00:11:55,067 Speaker 2: Yep, brilliant Joe. It's a pilgrimage. I know many Keywis 214 00:11:55,107 --> 00:11:57,587 Speaker 2: have made. It's on the bucket list of many keywis 215 00:11:57,587 --> 00:11:59,387 Speaker 2: as well to get across on the first Tuesday of 216 00:11:59,387 --> 00:12:04,227 Speaker 2: November and taken a day at the Melbourne Cup at 217 00:12:04,267 --> 00:12:07,907 Speaker 2: Flemington just as lutely iconic. It's such a pleasure to 218 00:12:07,907 --> 00:12:10,227 Speaker 2: have you in New Zealand with your precious cargo. Travel 219 00:12:10,267 --> 00:12:13,267 Speaker 2: well and look forward to catching up again sometime. 220 00:12:13,827 --> 00:12:16,987 Speaker 3: Thanks Poney, and I think I should shout out to 221 00:12:17,227 --> 00:12:22,787 Speaker 3: Mark Twain who is a leading light, and Maharajan that 222 00:12:23,307 --> 00:12:25,747 Speaker 3: are both looking like they'll head over to Flemington, so 223 00:12:26,387 --> 00:12:29,147 Speaker 3: if anyone's interested, certainly follow them over. I'm sure they're 224 00:12:29,147 --> 00:12:32,347 Speaker 3: going to give a good sight on that first Tuesday November. 225 00:12:32,467 --> 00:12:34,267 Speaker 2: Top Manjo, great to see you, thanks for coming in. 226 00:12:34,787 --> 00:12:36,187 Speaker 3: Thanks Piney, Thanks Joe. 227 00:12:36,267 --> 00:12:39,867 Speaker 2: Joe McGrath, keeper of the Cup. 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