1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:01,720 Speaker 1: Stateside, we've got Richard Arnold. 2 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 2: Hey, Richard, So does it sound to you like this 3 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 2: chap who's responsible allegedly for the shooting is basically been 4 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 2: prompted by his own pain. 5 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:13,040 Speaker 3: Well, that may be part of it. We still don't 6 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 3: know the full details, but certainly he had some health 7 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 3: issues that he was dealing with. But I mean, there 8 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 3: are so many bizarre elements to this. He's going to 9 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 3: face an extradition hearing shortly this fellow, and many still 10 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 3: are just amazed at how it all unfolded. This suspect, 11 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 3: Luigi Manngione, had all kinds of incriminating evidence with him 12 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 3: when he was spotted in a McDonald's fast food place 13 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 3: in Pennsylvania, a few hours is away only from the 14 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 3: site of the murder in New York. He hit with 15 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 3: him the so called ghost gun, the unidentified weapon possibly 16 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:43,880 Speaker 3: made with a three D printer, and it was loaded, 17 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 3: so was he planning something. Additionally, he was also carrying 18 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 3: a fake ID in the name of Mark Rozario, a 19 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 3: fake name that was used in New York. Also, he 20 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 3: had with him as well as a three paid manifesto 21 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 3: critical of the healthcare industry. So in it he wrote 22 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 3: quote these science had it coming. End quote. He added, 23 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 3: I do apologize for any strife and trauma, but it 24 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 3: had to be done. He also writes a virtual confession, 25 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 3: suggesting his note would only be read if he was 26 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 3: killed or captured. It says, in part quote to save 27 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 3: you are lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn't 28 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 3: working with anyone. So all this is in sharp contrast 29 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 3: to the shooter's initial actions that we've been hearing about, 30 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 3: where he was so careful and wearing a mask in 31 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 3: New York, except for that brief now or infamous moment 32 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 3: where he was seen flirting with the girl at the 33 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 3: desk of the hostel where he was staying. Then there 34 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 3: was the monopoly money that he left in the backpack 35 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 3: the police found in Central Park. But then these lapses. 36 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 3: At the Altima McDonalds in Pennsylvania, he still had a 37 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 3: mask and another pack, and a customer named Larry says 38 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 3: he and his mate's joke that he looked like the 39 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 3: New York assassin. He says one of his groups spoke 40 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 3: up about it. 41 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 4: He made a calm man, well, that looks like the 42 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 4: shooter from New York, But I thought he was the 43 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 4: group of us. I thought it was more of a 44 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 4: joke and we were kidding about it, but then as 45 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 4: it turned out, it was him. 46 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 3: No joke, Yeah, he suspected shooter. Then ordered some hash 47 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:09,959 Speaker 3: brown potatoes and sat at the back of the place. 48 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 3: Then one of the staffers put in that call to 49 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 3: police emergency that staff and one of Larry's mates were 50 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 3: expected to share the tip off reward money, talking about 51 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 3: sixty thousand dollars US in all, So that's one hundred 52 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 3: thousand plus New Zealand. So we'll see how that works out. Meantime, 53 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 3: we're hearing more and more about this man who was 54 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 3: facing the murder charge after being initially being charged with 55 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 3: unlicensed fire, unpossession, forgery and so on. Police ran his 56 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 3: ID found it to be fake. Mangioni said little to 57 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 3: police when he was arrested, but in court for the 58 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 3: initial arrangement, he quiverled with the police account that his 59 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 3: backpack was designed to prevent mobile phone signals being traced. 60 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,799 Speaker 3: So police were arguing that this was a sophisticated criminal effort, 61 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 3: and Mangioni piped up and said, hey, it was just 62 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 3: a backpack. As for what else we know he had 63 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 3: a shoulder problem had undergone a surgery, so that house 64 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 3: back to your initial thought there. He also moved to 65 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 3: Hawaii for about eighteen months, where his family, a wealthy family, 66 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 3: was unable to trace him for time, and where one 67 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 3: of his roommates in what was built as the first 68 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 3: coworking penthouse for remote workers. This is a place on 69 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 3: the fortieth story of a high rise in Hawaii, says 70 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:17,239 Speaker 3: he is stunned by what has happened. 71 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 5: Beyond shock. It's unimaginable. You know, I was roommates with him, friends, 72 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 5: heiked Montioga. He's you know, did his best to be 73 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 5: athletic and unfathomable. 74 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 3: Well, something like that. That friend, says MANGIONI was sociable 75 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 3: and pretty outgoing. 76 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 5: When he first came, he went on a surf lesson 77 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 5: with other members and unfortunately just a basic surf lesson. 78 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 5: He was in bed for about a week. We had 79 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 5: to get a different bed firm that was more firm, 80 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 5: and I know it was really traumatic and difficult. You know, 81 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 5: when you're in the early twenties and you can't you know, 82 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 5: do some basic things, it can be really really difficult. 83 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 3: Well, the victim's family say they devastated. Mangioni's family say 84 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 3: also they're shocked and devastated by all of this. What 85 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 3: is unusual, though, has been some of the public reaction. 86 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 3: We're hearing many complaints about troubles with the health insurance 87 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 3: industry that are coming up right now, and especially United Healthcare, 88 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 3: the place run by the murder victim. That's led police 89 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 3: and others to praise police actions and those of the 90 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 3: civilians who provided the tip off. They say, Luigi Mangioni 91 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 3: is not a hero, something I cannot recall hearing about 92 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 3: any other murder suspect in the past. 93 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 1: Amazing, Richard, Thank you so much. Appreciated. Richard Arnold UIs correspondent. 94 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 2: Couldn't help yesterday, but I was when it became clear 95 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 2: who the guy was, and you know, good looking, young guy, 96 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 2: ivy league, wealthy family. Couldn't help but think, jeez, it 97 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 2: must be tough for the parents. Imagine so proud of 98 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 2: him at one stage and so devastated. 99 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 5: Now. 100 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 3: For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to 101 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 3: news talks it'd be from six am weekdays, or follow 102 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 3: the podcast on iHeartRadio.