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Speaker 1: Right, Farnat or are not having a good week? Neither

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Speaker 1: seemingly is the taxpayer? Are they electioneering with this half

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Speaker 1: hour raid asking people to sign up for the Maray role?

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Speaker 1: And why is money for Mwana Pacifica the rugby team

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Speaker 1: part of their mandate? Allegedly Minister for Marie Development time

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Speaker 1: of Potarker is with us.

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Speaker 2: Morning to you, Hey kidle Mike, how you're doing very well?

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Speaker 1: Indeed on a scale of one to ten of alarmism,

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Speaker 1: how alarmed are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm seriously concerned. And it's not about Final Order. It's

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Speaker 2: about the use of public money. Final Order is actually

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Speaker 2: going through a changeover transition into Final Order two point

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Speaker 2: zero form new commission agencies and are they going to

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Speaker 2: go out and do the business? But the two incumbents,

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Speaker 2: two of the three, there's some issues and we need

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Speaker 2: to find out what's going on.

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Speaker 1: What are you more alarmed about the Maori role or

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Speaker 1: Mulwana Pacifica.

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Speaker 2: Well, just a bit of uncertainty around the use of

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Speaker 2: public money. So we just want to make sure that

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Speaker 2: they've been used for proper purpose. I'm not jumping to

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Speaker 2: any conclusions, but I have us Spenny Corksey look into it,

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Speaker 2: get an explanation and report back a set by today.

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Speaker 1: Why well, good, Why aren't you jumping to conclusions? Because

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Speaker 1: I have, and I think most of the people listening

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Speaker 1: to this have, and I cannot for the life of

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Speaker 1: me unless you can offer me some sort of explanation.

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Speaker 1: See why public money should be supporting a professional rugby team.

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Speaker 2: Well, public money has been used to support a whole

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Speaker 2: range of sporting and recreational initiatives over there, Mike might say,

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Speaker 2: for example, the Rugby World Cup, and.

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Speaker 1: That's aism event. This is supposed to be uplifting the

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Speaker 1: Pacific or the Mari community in some way.

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Speaker 2: Well, we don't know exactly what the facts are around

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Speaker 2: the use of public money is. That's why I've asked

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Speaker 2: to twenty quickly look into it, give an explanation, report back,

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Speaker 2: and now that I think liaising with the Office of

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Speaker 2: the Order to General to make sure that the lines

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Speaker 2: of inquiry appropriately.

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Speaker 1: Are you not personally responsible for this? You hand out

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Speaker 1: the money to an agency who then hands it out

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Speaker 1: to somebody else. Is nobody paying attention to where that

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Speaker 1: money goes and how it's spent.

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Speaker 2: I am the Minister responsible for Finner Order and that's

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Speaker 2: why I'm taking action to get to the bottom of it.

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Speaker 2: And then obviously we'll put that through to my my

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Speaker 2: bang up hitter, Christopher Laxan.

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Speaker 1: Having said that, the broader issue race based funding, you

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Speaker 1: guys said the stops, how come it's still going well?

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Speaker 2: I think that's a little bit adjacent to the Final

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Speaker 2: Order Copepper. The final orders actually for everyone, and it

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Speaker 2: helps deliver public services better than the government can do locally.

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Speaker 2: Centers are locally lid in Final Center. Now, that can

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Speaker 2: work in a variety of ways. But Fire Order is

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Speaker 2: not just for Mary Mike, It's for everyone who needs

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Speaker 2: totalal in that way.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand what you just said. What's you literally

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Speaker 1: speaking the language I don't speak, Tarner, And I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: I'll give you an explanation. Total support. And you know

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Speaker 2: and I know that sometimes government delivery of government services

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Speaker 2: doesn't work well. Fire Order in many respects has work

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Speaker 2: very well to help move Farno into a better place.

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Speaker 1: Right Well, when you say Fana, is it Mari or

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Speaker 1: is it anybody? Because what happened to the ministry dovetailing

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Speaker 1: with final Aura.

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Speaker 2: Anyone can access Final Order and it's not just through

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Speaker 2: the farer order appropriation. That funding is given for these

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Speaker 2: types of types of activities and types of services.

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Speaker 1: So you don't or in any way, shape or formance

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Speaker 1: race based funding.

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Speaker 2: No, it's a different way of delivering public services, and

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Speaker 2: actually sometimes it's a better way. As you know, government

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Speaker 2: has not necessarily delivered public services effectively and so farner

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Speaker 2: order is a different way of delivering public services.

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Speaker 1: Okay, when Marapekaakaa takes is Mari issues don't come to

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Speaker 1: the fore in major political parties. Is she correct?

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Speaker 2: No? I don't think so. You look at all the.

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Speaker 1: Words, what you see, and that's why she's funding EAT

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Speaker 1: and AD agencies for the tune of hundreds of thousands

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Speaker 1: of dollars to make a half hour ad. How do

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Speaker 1: you justify that?

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Speaker 2: Well, I disagree with metapeka o color tape. For example,

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Speaker 2: Minister Goldsmuths doing huge amount of money to settle treat

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Speaker 2: Here's amount of money to settle treaty, claims Erica Stamford

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Speaker 2: doing huge amount of money to support Kuta Kopapper in

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Speaker 2: immersion schools. There's a lot of things that the government

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Speaker 2: is doing to ensure that we not only deal with

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Speaker 2: mighty but also with be outstanding historic treaty claims.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but when she says something like that to justify

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Speaker 1: what she's done with our money, you need to do

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Speaker 1: more than disagree with it, don't you. You need to do

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Speaker 1: something about it because she's wasting our money.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think long he's on to pay text Mike,

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Speaker 2: and that's why I've been very firm with Sunny Corky

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Speaker 2: to explain to me what is happening lari aism with

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Speaker 2: the Office of the Order to General now, and I

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Speaker 2: expect an explanation, Aceip.

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Speaker 1: If they don't give you an acceptable explanation, what are

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Speaker 1: you going to do?

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Speaker 2: Well, Well, I expect them to give me an explanation,

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Speaker 2: and if that explanation is not consistent with our expectations,

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Speaker 2: then we'll take the matter further. But we'll not be yet.

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Speaker 2: We have to get the facts and find out what's

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Speaker 2: going on.

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Speaker 1: When you're going to come back on this program and explain.

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Speaker 2: It, well, well, I expect to get a report today.

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Speaker 2: But as you know, there are some other things going

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Speaker 2: on in the space with the parts of Maori leadership,

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Speaker 2: particularly with the recent parting of Titash Camp. So I

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Speaker 2: expected today and that's what I've asked for.

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Speaker 1: What's I got to do with the Mary Party? You

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Speaker 1: lost me there? This is fun? At what's fun? I

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Speaker 1: don't understand what you just said.

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Speaker 2: Well, the people that are involved with that particular ad

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Speaker 2: have also got an overlay with the party Mary. You

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Speaker 2: and I both know that.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry Roko takes a former party member. Yes, and

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Speaker 1: isn't that a conflict of interest in and of itself?

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the matter that has to be explained to

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Speaker 2: me as well.

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Speaker 1: But you knew that going in. Why wasn't explained previously?

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Speaker 1: Why does it take a problem like this for someone

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Speaker 1: to come back to you and explain? I mean, you

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Speaker 1: know who she is and where she's from and what

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Speaker 1: she thinks.

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Speaker 2: Well, I thank you and I both know Mike that

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Speaker 2: the Public Services Commissioner is looking at a whole range

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Speaker 2: of matters to do with confidentiality and confidence of interest

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Speaker 2: and they are reporting back to then minister or on

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Speaker 2: a redial basis in relation to these whole range of

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Speaker 2: other manisters.

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Speaker 1: Are you on top of your job?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well come back to me next week and we'll

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Speaker 1: talk some more. Hopefully tama Po Tarker, who is the

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Speaker 1: Minister of Maori Development.

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