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Speaker 1: Hello.

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Speaker 2: I am Paula Bennett and welcome to my New Zealand

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Speaker 2: Herald podcast.

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Speaker 1: Ask me anything.

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Speaker 2: No one think I've learned in life is It's never

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Speaker 2: too late to learn something new. So on this podcast

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Speaker 2: I talk to people from all walks of life. Dear

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Speaker 2: how they got to where they are, get some advice

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Speaker 2: and guidance on life's biggest questions. My guest this week

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Speaker 2: is one of New Zealand's most well known and successful

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Speaker 2: business people. She is a CEO, board director, entrepreneur, philanthropist.

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Speaker 2: She was the first female CEO of a listed company,

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Speaker 2: appointed to the lead telecom at just thirty seven years old,

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Speaker 2: and has several times been named in Fortune magazine's fifty

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Speaker 2: most Powerful Woman in International Business. You of course know

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Speaker 2: who it is, and she was recognized this week as

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Speaker 2: a Dame Companion of the New Zealand Order of Merit,

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Speaker 2: Dame Theresa Getting welcome.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, Paula. Great to be here.

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Speaker 2: It's really nice to have you on a couple of

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Speaker 2: house keeping.

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Speaker 1: Are you ready?

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Speaker 2: I'm allowed to ask you anything, but you don't, but

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Speaker 2: you don't have to answer. I know God, God, and

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Speaker 2: we call it the safe space, so we just do

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Speaker 2: the no judge, because women can be quite bad at that.

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Speaker 2: So we just thought, lay that, lay that roll out. Okay,

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Speaker 2: ease us in quite far. Questions. You love reading, don't you?

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Speaker 2: And I'm looking at you now and you've just got

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Speaker 2: a massive books behind you.

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Speaker 1: Do you do you mood read.

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Speaker 3: A little bit?

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Speaker 4: If I'm overseas, I quite like to read books sort

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Speaker 4: of set in that region.

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Speaker 3: But I often have a fiction thing going a non.

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Speaker 4: Fiction thing going, so it depends what I feel like.

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Speaker 4: But you know, I've just been to the wonderful Aukland

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Speaker 4: Writer's face, so I'm stopped up on books. I want

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Speaker 4: the writers I've read the more recent books.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, I've always got.

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Speaker 4: A couple of books on the God, I've just actually

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Speaker 3: Between books at the moment, which is a bit unusual.

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Speaker 2: And do you always read from from cover to end

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Speaker 2: or are you someone that skips to the end sometimes?

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Speaker 4: No, I always read from cover to the end, because

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Speaker 4: it just ruins it if you do it any other way.

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Speaker 1: See, I'm a bit controversial here.

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Speaker 2: I have been known just to skip to the end,

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Speaker 2: so then I don't speed read if I'm actually really

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Speaker 2: enjoying it. I kind of, And they're a very clever writer.

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Speaker 2: I sometimes just kind of want to know what's going

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Speaker 2: I'm racing to get to the end. Well, I know

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Speaker 2: it's controversial, controversial. What would your perfect day look like?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 4: Four, It depends whether it's a week or a weekend.

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Speaker 4: A perfect day during the week would look like a

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Speaker 4: combination of physical exercise, walking my dogs, swimming, pilarates, one

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Speaker 4: or more of those things, and some work. I like

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Speaker 4: During the weekend, I don't like to work so much.

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Speaker 4: The weekend would evolve more a later start, not being scheduled.

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Speaker 4: You know, if I'm at the bench, I would like

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Speaker 1: I love that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, there's so much to talk to you about, but

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Speaker 2: let's start with the very big news.

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Speaker 1: How is Dame Teresa settling in?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Well, sort of feel like I'm just getting off cloud

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Speaker 4: nine and coming back to planet Earth. It's just been

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Speaker 4: the most thrilling and the most wonderful few days.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it will be at the ceremony as well.

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Speaker 2: I've been fortunate enough to go along and attend quite

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Speaker 2: a few and for family, especially for the person being recognized.

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Speaker 2: I just know that all of them say it's far

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Speaker 3: Yes, I think it is really special.

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Speaker 4: I know there's people who say, look, you know, we

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Speaker 3: It's special to be recognized by your.

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Speaker 4: Fellow country people what you've done and as you say,

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Speaker 4: make your family and the people have worked with you supported.

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Speaker 3: You very proud. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: I interviewed Dame Susan Devoy a wee while ago, and

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Speaker 2: I noticed you said something a little bit similar when

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Speaker 2: I was reading it on the King's birthday, and that

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Speaker 1: Susan would say, it's particularly with women.

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Speaker 2: We don't ask men if they want to be addressed

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Speaker 2: it's kind of the use of using dame. Do you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I do, I do. But you know that Susan

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Speaker 4: She was a year younger than May, a year behind

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Speaker 3: It was female role models, it was it was nuns,

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Speaker 4: And so it's I've always I've always admired her and thought, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, she she's a bit like me.

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Speaker 4: She sees it straight, she's still for the same things

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Speaker 4: all her life, etc. Interestingly, I hadn't thought about that

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Speaker 4: I think it'll just be, you know, it'll just be

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to put any of the formality around

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's the men themselves that are insisting

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Speaker 2: on I think it's that we perhaps and let's talk

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Speaker 2: about your you know, your business career. Perhaps we expect

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Speaker 2: or you know, we're just more comfortable and naturally addressing

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Speaker 3: You could well be right, you know, I think we still.

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Speaker 4: Do have an image of leaders as tall, middle class,

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Speaker 3: And we've shifted that, we've shifted it.

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Speaker 4: But so only our mother's generation that had to stop

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Speaker 4: That is only our mums. You know, we've actually come

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Speaker 3: Three female Prime ministers. Yes, we know we've got to

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Speaker 4: Find it just we know we've got many female CEOs

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Speaker 4: And yet and yet it's still sterll of the minority

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Speaker 2: Well, and that's that classic though, isn't it Dame Teres.

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Speaker 2: It's that classic and that we mention those women because

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Speaker 2: they're exceptional and they shouldn't be. It should be if

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Speaker 2: And I don't mean that disrespectfully to them, but it

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Speaker 4: Well, that's why this was a wonderful King's Birthday list

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Speaker 4: because it honored so many women for services to women,

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Speaker 4: You know, she's one of the founder group of Global Women.

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Speaker 4: I've been cheering Global Women for the last few years.

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Speaker 4: Just the most wonderful who way together up North. She

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Speaker 3: She was on the Services to Jet Thermal and Woman.

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Speaker 4: So it's wonderful that in this year there's actually been

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Speaker 4: They coinsist in many of us and it's just wonderful

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Speaker 2: I mean, as you say, we have come a long way.

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Speaker 2: But because it wasn't that long ago really that you

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Speaker 2: were the CEO of you know, of Teallycommon at that time,

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Speaker 2: Was it hard then and do you think it wouldn't

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Speaker 4: Yes, it was hard then, and obviously I owe a

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Speaker 3: It is easier now, but it is still not easy.

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Speaker 4: You know what's good now though, is that you know

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Speaker 4: much easier. And I think there is more acknowledgement that

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Speaker 3: So yes, there are more women.

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Speaker 4: Now, both as chairs who are appointing CEOs and as CEOs,

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Speaker 4: and that makes it easier. There are more women and

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Speaker 4: but still I think the penalties for women are higher.

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Speaker 4: You don't get a second chance, and it's not as

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Speaker 4: easy on the entrepreneurial space. Most of the funding still

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Speaker 2: And if you make a mistake, which everybody does right,

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Speaker 2: fact that you're You know that you're human and you're

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Speaker 1: They genderize it really quickly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think social media's made that worse. Cauller.

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Speaker 3: You know, when it wasn't the.

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Speaker 2: How I mean, it feels like, you know, and I

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Speaker 2: so but it feels like all of a sudden you

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Speaker 1: Was he ahead of his time?

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Speaker 4: As you know, the sixty odd Champions for Change have

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Speaker 3: But the private sector is well.

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Speaker 3: Perhaps starting at two fifty, that would be well received.

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Speaker 2: And there'll be people that are listening that don't understand

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Speaker 4: Good The reason I think politicians don't think it's important

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Speaker 4: That doesn't happen in New Zealand because what a prime

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Speaker 4: That is not the case in very many other occupations.

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Speaker 3: And so what all this does really is.

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Speaker 4: Actually put the onus on employers to look to to report.

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Speaker 3: Working on this tast seriously and where it would be

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, so we're still had a long way to

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Speaker 3: Well, that's back back into how you value jobs.

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Speaker 3: I mean, go right back, woman, run the right to vote.

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Speaker 3: We all did. It wasn't just wealthy woman, it wasn't

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Speaker 4: And that sense of women standing together still perbays this country.

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Speaker 4: feel very positive, Paula. I think we matter more to

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Speaker 3: So I think what's the verson's important for New.

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Speaker 2: It's important to share it because you know, you seem

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Speaker 4: It was difficult because I hadn't planned for life past telecom.

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Speaker 2: There, I just want to, you know, like, hey, I'm

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Speaker 2: not suret of good ideas. You know, my staff used

445
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Speaker 2: to say, you have fifteen a day, and one of

446
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Speaker 2: them might be something we.

447
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Speaker 1: Should keep talking about. But you you do more than that.

448
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Speaker 2: I mean my food bag, the people who've been around

449
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Speaker 2: you know, we'll get into the dating act more. But

450
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Speaker 2: I suppose it just impresses me so much that you

451
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Speaker 2: see a gap or you need something done the SPCA,

452
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Speaker 2: but then you actually have the forty two to make

453
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Speaker 2: a plan and then work towards it and do it.

454
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Speaker 1: Are we teaching that enough?

455
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Speaker 3: That a very good question.

456
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Speaker 4: Although I struggled in my forties, I think that builds resilience.

457
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Speaker 4: And I do believe that everybody is going to have

458
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Speaker 4: a tough time in life at some point, and so

459
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Speaker 4: some people it's early on. They can heartbreak early on.

460
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Speaker 4: For some people it's later.

461
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Speaker 3: But no one goes through life unscathed, right, no one's life.

462
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Speaker 3: It's just a rose, a rose peals lad in their path.

463
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Speaker 4: It's just that some people stuffer publicly and some people

464
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Speaker 4: suffer privately. And so some people's challenges are evident and

465
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Speaker 4: some people's are not. And if you want to live

466
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Speaker 4: in New Zealand, actually you have to be the same

467
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Speaker 4: person when you're on top of the well and you're

468
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Speaker 4: under the wheel, because you know it doesn't go too

469
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Speaker 4: well if you behave differently as a Dame than when

470
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Speaker 4: you were the Dame.

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Speaker 3: So I can't remember the question you asked me.

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Speaker 1: Well, I just I suppose there's a question.

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Speaker 2: Really you did touch on it, but as are we

474
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Speaker 2: building that resilience in it or more? I don't know

475
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Speaker 2: if it's just resilience, because you're not just resilient.

476
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Speaker 1: That's a given.

477
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Speaker 2: It's more that you've got that entrepreneur that you can

478
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Speaker 2: see a gap in the market. You can then actually

479
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Speaker 2: look at what the trends are. And I admire it greatly.

480
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Speaker 2: I mean, I've been in public service and then I've

481
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Speaker 2: worked for other people, and I've just I always think

482
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Speaker 2: that if I had my time again, I would even

483
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Speaker 2: be a bit more gutsy and do it myself.

484
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Speaker 4: I need to say that because someone today said to

485
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Speaker 4: me that I sit comfortably in the space of ambiguity,

486
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Speaker 4: and I do. I sit comptively in the space of ambiguity.

487
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Speaker 4: I trust that is going to work out, and I

488
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Speaker 4: just put one full of set in front of the other,

489
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Speaker 4: and I go, this looks like.

490
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Speaker 3: The next thing to do.

491
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Speaker 4: And I surround myself with people who are smarter than me,

492
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Speaker 4: who have skills.

493
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Speaker 3: I don't have, and that that means I can.

494
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Speaker 4: Multiply my efforts and then I have my wonderful sisen

495
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Speaker 4: Chris Woodwicce, who's worked with me for thirty years. So

496
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Speaker 4: it's the work of two women you're seeing, not just

497
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Speaker 4: one woman the whole time. But yeah, I enroll other

498
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Speaker 4: people and then I trust I do not try and

499
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Speaker 4: control things at a detailed level. That is that is

500
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Speaker 4: a neathma to anything flourishing.

501
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Speaker 3: You have to get great people.

502
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Speaker 4: And you have to let them have their own agency

503
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Speaker 4: and then you and then you are navigating, charting, guiding,

504
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Speaker 4: but you are not the producer and the director. You

505
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Speaker 4: have to actually do this collaboratively because everything in an

506
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Speaker 4: entrepreneur you're going to pivot all the time. Everything is

507
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Speaker 4: changing all the time. None of us saw the pandemic.

508
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Speaker 4: None of us saw what would come after that. The

509
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Speaker 4: pandemic was helped with attend. We had already set up

510
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Speaker 4: a health business online, so it was fantastic for that.

511
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Speaker 3: For one of to my other businesses, it was dire.

512
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Speaker 4: So it's like, actually, Bill Gates is something I think

513
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Speaker 4: is also true, which is to make to generate wealth,

514
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Speaker 4: you've got to concentrate. But to keep wealth you have

515
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Speaker 4: to diversify and so that's I think that's also a thing.

516
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Speaker 4: I'm naturally curious about lots of things denutras subjects at school, so.

517
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Speaker 3: I'm never going to be someone who's only in one sector.

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Speaker 4: I'm I'm you know, I've got I've got thinkers of

519
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Speaker 4: many pies because I'm interested in many different things.

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Speaker 2: Well, on that, we take a short break, and then

521
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Speaker 2: we need to talk about one of those things, which

522
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Speaker 2: is the new dating app, which I'm very excited about.

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Speaker 2: All right, Dame Teresa, let's talk about your latest venture,

524
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Speaker 2: a dating app. You launch Competico earlier this year, and

525
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Speaker 2: you've always been very entrepreneurial, as we've already said, so

526
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Speaker 2: it'll be no surprise that you found a problem and

527
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Speaker 2: you've decided to fix it.

528
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Speaker 1: So let's talk about that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, why is Competito different to what else is

530
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Speaker 2: out there? I mean, and was it based on personal experience?

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Speaker 3: It's most of personal experience.

532
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Speaker 4: So a few years ago, I thought, look, I'd like

533
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Speaker 4: to try and find a partner again. I've been so

534
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Speaker 4: busy with work a long time, and I looked at

535
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Speaker 4: the alternatives and they were dire. I was never going

536
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Speaker 4: to go on Bumble or Tinder because I'm because I'm

537
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Speaker 4: well known. But you know, a lot of people don't

538
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Speaker 4: want to do it. It's not safe for women and

539
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Speaker 4: even men. It's like if you don't want to meet

540
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Speaker 4: your client on there, or your partner or you know,

541
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Speaker 4: it's like this UN's a very small place. So a

542
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Speaker 4: lot of people really don't want to do the apps.

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Speaker 4: There weren't for many other options. I went on to

544
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Speaker 4: another platform that said it was matching, and they said, oh,

545
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Speaker 4: we don't take from any woman over the age of

546
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Speaker 4: fifty five, but you know, we might make an exception

547
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Speaker 4: for you.

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Speaker 3: So it was pretty dire. Anyway, I joined that service.

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Speaker 1: Did they take me in over fifty five?

550
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Speaker 3: They do, of course they do. Yes.

551
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Speaker 4: Anyway, it wasn't just wasn't elegant.

552
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Speaker 3: I knew nothing really bad happened to me, but all.

553
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Speaker 4: The things that happened to aman getting as stored up

554
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Speaker 4: as I walked into the restaurant, hats hopping photos.

555
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Speaker 3: And then e were hearing from the person again, you know,

556
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Speaker 3: just all those things that you know.

557
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Speaker 4: It's dating through apps in the last decade has become

558
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Speaker 4: so transactional.

559
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Speaker 3: The whole shite culture.

560
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Speaker 4: It's the antithesis of love it's like it's worse than

561
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Speaker 4: the second hand car and yet it's love and so

562
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Speaker 4: this is it actually isn't an app. It actually it

563
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Speaker 4: is optimized for mobile, so you can exits a rebel phone.

564
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Speaker 3: But you go to the website, you can either.

565
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Speaker 4: Just book for a fifty minute friends Zoom call or

566
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Speaker 4: you can do the short questionnaire and you can sign

567
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Speaker 4: up and then there are two levels of service. But

568
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Speaker 4: it's a matchmaking agency at its essence, that where you

569
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Speaker 4: get a personalized matchmaker to actually work with you through

570
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Speaker 4: the journey, or you can join.

571
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Speaker 3: As a gold you go in the singles community.

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Speaker 4: You can invite it to the events that we have

573
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Speaker 4: and you're available for matching with the platinums.

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Speaker 3: So we have had tremendous people coming in. It's like

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Speaker 3: it is and it's a lovely service. You can pay

576
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Speaker 3: to have.

577
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 4: Your photo, you don't have to have a photo, and

578
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,120
Speaker 4: the only people who see the photo of the people

579
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Speaker 4: you're going to be matched whether it's not public. Your

580
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,959
Speaker 4: profile's not public. After or with the matchmaker, they run

581
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 4: up your profile, you approve it and then it's used

582
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Speaker 4: only for matching people within the community.

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Speaker 3: It's not public at all.

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Speaker 4: You don't have to have a photo, but if you

585
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Speaker 4: have a photo, you haven't done with our photographer and

586
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 4: our style. So no photos of men and fish, no

587
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 4: heavily retached photos, no ten year old photos. An experience

588
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 4: of being with Lisa and having your hair and makeup

589
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Speaker 4: done and photaken.

590
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Speaker 3: This wonderful.

591
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 4: So we've got plenty of dating going on, no marriage

592
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 4: proposals yet, but it's it's a lovely experience. It's an

593
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 4: elegant experience. That's you know that the person I want

594
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Speaker 4: to achieve is actually do this properly, do this an

595
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Speaker 4: adult way.

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Speaker 3: Don't don't don't turn.

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Speaker 4: It into a you know, yesday's fish and chip wrapper culture.

598
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Speaker 3: That's what that's what's happened to dating on the apps.

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Speaker 2: And so the matching part, so as you say, I'm

600
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Speaker 2: either going to do an interview and or a survey,

601
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Speaker 2: and in that I might be telling you a bit

602
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Speaker 2: about me, and then equally kind of what I'm looking

603
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Speaker 2: for or what I think I'm looking for. And then

604
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Speaker 2: are you sort of are you are you tested a

605
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Speaker 2: bit in that?

606
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Speaker 4: That depends, So yes, you fill out the competit code

607
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 4: of the questionnaire and it's an our zoom call and yes, it.

608
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Speaker 3: Is about you.

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Speaker 4: Some people cry with our matchmakers in that call Pauler,

610
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Speaker 4: you know, because they're processing whatever they've gone through.

611
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Speaker 3: It was really important to me because I could see from.

612
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Speaker 4: My own dating experience that we need to have psychologists involved.

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Speaker 4: Many of the matchmakers have a background as a psychologists,

614
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Speaker 4: and we have a psychologist as part of our partnership

615
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Speaker 4: as one of my equity partners, Tari Toks, So she's

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Speaker 4: available to be a psychologist, and we have other psychologists

617
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 4: as well, so people have a choice. But she's also

618
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Speaker 4: involved in the whole in the compart Cooda and the

619
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Speaker 4: questions and how they're asked. And she writes a column

620
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Speaker 4: in the paper. We share something, you know, we share it.

621
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Speaker 4: We're trying to actually improve the quality of relationships altogether really,

622
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Speaker 4: so she's sharing what she's learned. And so some people

623
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Speaker 4: do need a bit of We have had people who

624
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Speaker 4: have preferred people who want it too, psychologists within our

625
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 4: sort of fino, because some people do need a bit

626
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Speaker 4: of help processing what's happened in their first act.

627
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Speaker 2: And do you think do you think there's someone for everyone?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I do think there's someone for everyone. I do

629
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Speaker 3: think there's.

630
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Speaker 2: Because I was thinking, you know, there must be the

631
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Speaker 2: odd ones so that the psychologists think, well, either you're

632
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Speaker 2: not ready or all you're sort of visiting crazy town

633
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Speaker 2: right now, and we might just need to slow it

634
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Speaker 2: all down a bit.

635
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Speaker 3: We haven't had anyone like at that extreme.

636
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Speaker 4: Okay, if we failt honor if we failed on our

637
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 4: sort of a fifteen minute zoom call, which is free complimentary,

638
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 4: that someone actually just wasn't a good fit, we wouldn't

639
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Speaker 4: take their money.

640
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Speaker 3: We would try not to put ourselves in a situation.

641
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Speaker 3: But everybody must.

642
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Speaker 4: Do a Ministry of Justice check, and we have had

643
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Speaker 4: some people fail the Ministry of Justice check.

644
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Speaker 1: And I do you have standards?

645
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 4: Like absolutely everyone has to do the MOJ check. So look,

646
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Speaker 4: I can't reach confidentiality, but yes we have. There have

647
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 4: been some people who haven't become members because of what's

648
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Speaker 4: surfaced in that process.

649
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Speaker 2: So then if the psychologists make a match, then do

650
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Speaker 2: you just start by talking corresponding that person? We would

651
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Speaker 2: do the two of you make the decision as to

652
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Speaker 2: whether or when you met face to face and things

653
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Speaker 2: like that.

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Speaker 4: So say the matchmaker, which is ahead of matchmaking, say

655
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Speaker 4: she's got a platinum client could be man, could be

656
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 4: a woman, shows the profile of the other person.

657
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Speaker 3: Then other person has asked, you want to go on

658
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 3: back to this person? They say yes.

659
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 4: Then both parties have given each other's mobile numbers and

660
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Speaker 4: they decide.

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Speaker 3: It's not all Aucklanders. With Aucklanders, we've got a lot.

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Speaker 4: Of people from the Bay of Plenty, from Wellington, from

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00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 4: christ Church. The first date was a guy from christ

664
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 4: Church and a woman from Auckland. He flew to Auckland.

665
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 4: The first people who signed up were a woman from

666
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 4: Wellington and a man from toddron Us. So not all

667
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 4: actually all in Auckland, or the matchmakers are all in Auckland.

668
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 4: We've just got started with a Willington matchmaker in the

669
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 4: last couple of weeks and we've just expanded to Wellington

670
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 4: with a matchmaker and photographer. So and that differs too

671
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 4: because in some services it's the man mister Nisia, and

672
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 4: others it's the woman. Were basically people like adults. You

673
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 4: both said you want to go on a date with

674
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,959
Speaker 4: this person. You've seen their profile. Usually the profile has

675
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 4: a photo. Most people do get a photo done and

676
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 4: so then.

677
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 3: They go on a date and then we encourage them

678
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 3: to do two dates.

679
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 4: Not everyone sticks with that, but you know, people can

680
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 4: be nervous, can't always tell, you know, just.

681
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 3: In one date. We don't really recommend twenty minute coffee dates.

682
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 4: It's like a dinner date or and at the second

683
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 4: or third dates doing some activity, spending a bit more

684
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 4: time together.

685
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 3: And Cindy will check in after that date and say,

686
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 3: how did it go.

687
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 4: Get both people's perspective, coach them, encourage.

688
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 3: Them, you know, no one want to know, but they're

689
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 3: acting like adults.

690
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 4: They tell each other if it's not going to be

691
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 4: a thing, and or if they want to go on

692
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 4: a second date. And at some point we will drop

693
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 4: out of the process, but and carry on matching other people.

694
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 3: But so far.

695
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 4: We're you know, people are a few dates, but no

696
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 4: one no one has yet said, okay, right, I'm in

697
00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 4: a relationship.

698
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 2: Therefore I don't need you anymore interesting And so have

699
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 2: you been using the service yourself?

700
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 4: Aha, I've been expecting someone to ask me that all week?

701
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 3: Well, no, how can I put this?

702
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 4: Obviously, when I set this up, I thought there was

703
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 4: a psibility I might meet someone through it.

704
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 3: That hasn't happened to date. That is not my highest priority.

705
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 4: I'm not in any other services. I told the world

706
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 4: that I'm single, so that has actually bought other things along,

707
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 4: and I don't really want to say more about that

708
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 4: at the moment.

709
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 2: So yeah, I had some dreadful dates when I was

710
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 2: single as an MP because I was single for a

711
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,959
Speaker 2: long time. I single for like about twenty five years,

712
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,479
Speaker 2: and I kind of went through that stage and went,

713
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 2: you know, I think it would be nice to meet someone.

714
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 2: So I decided that what I do is and for

715
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 2: twelve months, I would say.

716
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: Yes to a date, you know, like that.

717
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 2: Actually I was flee the problem because it kind of

718
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 2: got so independent and faccated and I had fun and

719
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 2: there was no terurable experiences, but there were some not

720
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 2: as good ones. Yes, it's harder when you've got a

721
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:13,760
Speaker 2: public profile.

722
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 3: It is harder when you've got a public profile. It

723
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 3: definitely is.

724
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 4: But my experience of dating is that that puts some

725
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 4: then off, but equally.

726
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 3: It makes something keener.

727
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 4: And you know, you and I had to have a profile,

728
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 4: that's an issue, but someone else could have something else.

729
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 3: It's like it's just you know, what is the perfect.

730
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 4: Anybody who was second or third time around is dealing

731
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 4: with a very different world than I first repartnered it,

732
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 4: you know, at twenty one in university, and so you're

733
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 4: dealing with your own baggage, as you say, and we fixated.

734
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 3: That's definitely an issue as you get into your fifties

735
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,399
Speaker 3: and sixties, are you as open as you once were?

736
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 4: And also there are real things like busy lives, children, grandchildren,

737
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 4: There are real things to negotiate.

738
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,800
Speaker 3: So people move with their own you know, there's no.

739
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 4: Pressure on the timing of this, but boy, there is

740
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 4: a need for the service.

741
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 3: And of course it is just so disease.

742
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 4: Matchmaking agencies are really common elsewhere, they just have not

743
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 4: really been established a New Zealand.

744
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 2: So have you got any tips for people on the

745
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 2: dating scene if you like? I mean, you've said make

746
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 2: it longer than just to quit coffee, and I've taken

747
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 2: that on board.

748
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: Not that I'm single, but I.

749
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 4: Don't want what you said actually push yourself out of

750
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 4: your comfort zone.

751
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 2: You know.

752
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 4: It's like so for example, for me, I found that

753
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 4: using another service, they were always like matching me with businessmen,

754
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,280
Speaker 4: but that you know, my first partner was an artist,

755
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 4: and it's like, so I'm a very creative person and

756
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 4: you know, my partner might be an architect. Like it's

757
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 4: it's so be open, be open and give people a chance,

758
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 4: give people a chance, be open, trust the process.

759
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 3: And if you think you might have baggage.

760
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,240
Speaker 4: Book a social of the Psychologist's only a couple hundred

761
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 4: bucks and it might be life changing.

762
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 2: And maybe go in looking for the things that you've

763
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 2: got in common instead of going in looking for the

764
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 2: things that you don't and the things you don't like

765
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 2: about them, because I think we sometimes do that when

766
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 2: we've been single for a little while. It's like, well,

767
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 2: this is my criteria, and I'm just going to go

768
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 2: in there with my top five questions and you know,

769
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 2: and if you don't know, if you don't get four right,

770
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 2: then that's it.

771
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,879
Speaker 1: Whereas we actually take some time like.

772
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,879
Speaker 4: A business project, this is non negotiable in there and there,

773
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 4: and there might be a few non negotiable things like

774
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 4: you know, smoking or whatever, but you chuck the checklist

775
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 4: and just see how you feel and.

776
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 3: You know, and give yourself a break, like you.

777
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 4: Don't want to be judged and people don't want to

778
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 4: be judged, and you know, just I always went on

779
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 4: a second date.

780
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 3: I thought there was any potential.

781
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 4: I never really only occasionally did I say no after

782
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:56,479
Speaker 4: a first date.

783
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, good on you.

784
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 2: Hey, It's just I want to take briefly if I can,

785
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 2: on your on the Getting foundation and the work that

786
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 2: you're do in giving back. And I mean you said

787
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 2: you've always done it, so do you just why because

788
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 2: actually that's not new Zealander's you know what I mean.

789
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 2: I think we do what we certainly do more now

790
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 2: and I know I do, but I wouldn't have thought

791
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 2: of it when I was twenty one. But you were

792
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 2: saying that, you know, I went right back for then

793
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 2: and you've now you foundations.

794
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: Two years in, right, So how's that going?

795
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 4: Well, it's going brilliantly and most of them are hes

796
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 4: done by my wonderful sister Angela Getting.

797
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 3: But it came from my Catholic background, our Catholic background.

798
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 4: So although honestly I would cringe now, you know, at

799
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 4: school the boxes went round saying, you know, this is

800
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 4: for poor children Africa.

801
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 3: Like though, we would cringe the idea that actually.

802
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,879
Speaker 4: Of giving, of actually sharing what you had, of first

803
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 4: of all appreciating what you have, Ralsia Rondelson have it

804
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 4: and then sharing.

805
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 3: It in some way. So I think that let's start

806
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 3: with me. I've almost thought.

807
00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 4: Energy needs to be in motion and money is just

808
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 4: so I've always been not tight about money. I've always

809
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 4: felt that it well. My father has gave us such

810
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 4: good money value. See, he always believed that you could

811
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 4: create more. There's plenty. I think some people think of

812
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 4: money as a scarce pot and if you have more,

813
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 4: I have less. I don't think about it like that.

814
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 4: I think there's.

815
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 3: Plenty of room for there to be enough for all

816
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 3: of us.

817
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 4: So that's part of it that wanted to keep it

818
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,439
Speaker 4: in circulation. But yes, so from the age of twenty one,

819
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 4: I support an SPCA and women's causes, and I still do.

820
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 4: In fact, I think I've been the same person all

821
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 4: my life.

822
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 3: It's just that the world's caught up with me. So

823
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,280
Speaker 3: during lockdown.

824
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 4: I wanted to I thought about, Okay, I've got a

825
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:50,280
Speaker 4: bit more time, and how can I make a bigger

826
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 4: contribution Because all my career I've just been giving money

827
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 4: but not had much time to make two and to

828
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 4: equal five. And I'd seen in my work over those

829
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 4: years with the SPA how powerful that could be, and

830
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 4: so I over time convinced my sister She took a

831
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 4: bit of convincing because she was the educational said a

832
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 4: bit of principle for many years, understood the education sector

833
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 4: really well, and she had helped set up to a

834
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 4: key papercuro a charity Pepercura, and grown that, so she.

835
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:18,280
Speaker 3: Knew the other side of it.

836
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 4: And so it's like I knew one side and she

837
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 4: knew the other side, and we shared some of the

838
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 4: same passions. So we basically set up the foundation around that.

839
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 4: It's just the two of us and Chris Wood was

840
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 4: our third trustee.

841
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 3: We don't have a bit.

842
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 4: We lay out clearly on the website the things that

843
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 4: the causes that we're about, and then she does all

844
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 4: the due diligence and then we decide quite quickly and

845
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 4: then we get on with it.

846
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 3: And so we've done. We don't have any jurkle from boundaries.

847
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 4: We support projects and people and things throughout New Zealand

848
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 4: and it's very varied. So it's everything from we started

849
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,720
Speaker 4: to pay her salary for Sarah pay to the kindness collecting.

850
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 3: Two years we've been paying her apart salary. As you know,

851
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:07,720
Speaker 3: that has grown.

852
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 4: She's now got a you know, a big warehouse she's

853
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 4: grown from a small West Auckland charity to be throughout

854
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 4: New Zealand.

855
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 3: So just enabling her to do what she.

856
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 4: Is doing in scale and scale up with some of

857
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 4: my physical things. We bought an ambulance for this area,

858
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 4: this western Bay Plenty area, because we wanted to honor

859
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 4: the fact that our father had been looked after by

860
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 4: the ambulance so many times and they needed another ambulance.

861
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 4: We bought a proper animal truck for that for the

862
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 4: far north because that's driving huge distances and so there

863
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 4: van had basically worn out. And so sometimes it's a

864
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 4: physical thing. Sometimes we simply sponsor things that are already happening,

865
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 4: like scholarships at Minimal Foundation on First Foundation, or we

866
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 4: set up scholarships with the First Foundation at our old

867
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 4: school in Rochal Ruur which got amalgamate with the boys school.

868
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 3: We support female scholars.

869
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 4: Sometimes we co create programs, like with Toppy Tower, we

870
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 4: co created a program.

871
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 3: To inspire.

872
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 4: Girls in their final years of school live who live

873
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 4: in South Auckland. They come for a day and they

874
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 4: get inspired about possibility. And one of the teachers told

875
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 4: me that the second time she bought girls, she said, well.

876
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 3: The first time.

877
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 4: Only one of those cools was going to go to

878
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 4: university and after this one day they all decide to

879
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 4: go to US an exemple one and I said, wow,

880
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 4: just from this one day program, and she said, just

881
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 4: from the one day program. So someone is quite straightforward

882
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 4: things going a huge impact. More significant perhaps in terms

883
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 4: of the country is the work we've been doing and

884
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 4: she's been doing with Shannon on the East Coast, which

885
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Speaker 4: has started with one Kura girls in Terreo Immersion, who

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Speaker 4: is now many Kurra who are learning robotics.

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Speaker 3: We're funding them to learn robotics and so can you imagine.

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Speaker 4: How much better off this country would be if girls

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Speaker 4: from the economically challenged region, the generature region were world

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Speaker 4: class at robotics.

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Speaker 3: It's like if we could harness all the talent.

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Speaker 4: So look, I'm quite I'm quite unapologetic about.

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Speaker 3: That we fund girls.

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Speaker 4: We do sometimes fun boys as well, sort of incidentally,

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Speaker 4: but our focus is on girls. Is plenty of malcolik

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Speaker 4: there was you can fun boys, because we're trying to

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Speaker 4: actually give girls a little bit more of a legger,

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Speaker 4: you know for what we enjoyed, you know, the life

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Speaker 4: that we've been able to have.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's extraordinary and is making a difference.

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Speaker 2: You know, I've been lucky enough to see some of

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Speaker 2: the work that you've done over the years, and I

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Speaker 2: know firsthand when you hear those stories from those girls

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Speaker 2: and young women is to the difference because if they

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Speaker 2: can't see it, then they can't do it and they

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Speaker 2: can't dream it.

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Speaker 1: And giving them that kind of hope.

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Speaker 2: So I on behalf of New Zealand acknowledge you being

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Speaker 2: acknowledged this week in getting your dame hood because I

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Speaker 2: think it's very well deserved and this country is better

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Speaker 2: off for having you and your sister and all the

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Speaker 2: others that are around.

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Speaker 1: And you that support these causes. So thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Well, now you get to ask me something, because that's

915
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Speaker 2: the way the podcast goes as it's you know, you

916
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Speaker 2: get one yet one shot at This isn't my least

917
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Speaker 2: favorite book because I just never know.

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Speaker 1: What someone.

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Speaker 4: I've been thinking about what I would ask you, And

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Speaker 4: I'm going to ask you, perhaps the obvious quistion because

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Speaker 4: I had not to ask for Petsy questions.

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Speaker 3: Because that wouldn't be me, it wouldn't be you.

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Speaker 4: But it would be fantastic to have a woman there

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Speaker 4: of Auckland.

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Speaker 3: Are you considering it run?

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Speaker 2: That's interesting and there is something in leadership and change

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Speaker 2: that still excites me, I think, and how you do

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Speaker 2: use the skills and talents that that you've that you've

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Speaker 2: acquired over a period of time. You know, I'm really

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Speaker 2: fortunate and that I put my hand up and have

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Speaker 2: just started in the role as chair, and I must

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Speaker 2: admit it's quite beautifully consuming me. So I still have

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Speaker 2: a lot of other things going on. I'm still doing

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Speaker 2: my work at Bailey's. So in the context of me

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Speaker 2: giving that one hundred percent, because man, I can make

936
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Speaker 2: a huge difference in that organization and for pretty much

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00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 2: all of all New Zealand, right because if we're not

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Speaker 2: actually needing medicines, then we know someone who is. And

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Speaker 2: when you're watching people do give a little page. There's

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Speaker 2: got to be a better way in this beautiful little

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Speaker 2: country of ours. So at the moment I'm kind of

942
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Speaker 2: really focused on that and it's taking a lot and

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Speaker 2: I think, just Park Well, you suld have said before

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Speaker 2: you can you know, you don't have to be in

945
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Speaker 2: every detail and you don't have to have made every decision.

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Speaker 1: You can kind of let something breathe for a while

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Speaker 1: as well.

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Speaker 3: I agree, Look, farmac is so worthy.

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Speaker 4: I'm just such a huge support of Rachel Smallies and

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Speaker 4: what she's done to bring this to light.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, that you are doing noble work there for sure.

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Speaker 2: Well, wasn't it great to see her recognized on Yeah,

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Speaker 2: on King's birth day?

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Speaker 1: Is weel Elena.

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Speaker 2: I imagine it would have meant a lot to her

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Speaker 2: to have had that recognition from government on behalf of

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Speaker 2: New Zealanders.

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Speaker 1: So I was very pleased for her, that's for sure.

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Speaker 2: Well, Dame Teresa Getting, thank you very much for taking

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Speaker 2: the time to chat to me today.

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Speaker 1: Where can people find you?

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Speaker 2: If they want to find out more, they can go

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Speaker 2: and look at the website.

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Speaker 1: If they want to get on the old dating.

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Speaker 3: They can go to competito dot co dot in ze.

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Speaker 4: Good, or they can go to Getting Foundation dot in

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Speaker 4: z for the Getting Foundation, or they can go to

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Speaker 4: my own website, Teresa Getting dot com. There's many ways

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Speaker 4: to connect with some of the things that I'm working on.

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Speaker 2: Oh, well, go and do it, I say to everyone,

971
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Speaker 2: because that's it for another episode of Ask Me Anything.

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Speaker 2: You get in touch with me by emailing us Paula

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Speaker 2: at nzime dot co dot z.

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Speaker 1: Feel free to send me through your questions, your thoughts.

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Speaker 2: I've always loved to hear from you, and you can

976
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Speaker 2: find me on Facebook, Instagram or LinkedIn. Just make sure

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Speaker 2: you follow. Ask Me Anything on radio or wherever you

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Speaker 2: get your podcasts. I'm Paula Benett. Ask me Anything.

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Speaker 1: Goodbye,