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Speaker 1: Part of the reason we have a teacher shortage is basically,

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Speaker 1: no one wants to be a teacher. New stats this

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Speaker 1: morning a number of those signing up has halved since

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Speaker 1: twenty ten, and those going on to graduate has dropped

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Speaker 1: by a third. The Secondary Principals Association president Voron Coyez

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Speaker 1: back with it's born very good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Up to money, Hey, how are you very well?

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Speaker 1: Indeed, those stats are a dire old thing, aren't they.

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Speaker 2: Ah, they hurt, and they've been declining for some time,

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Speaker 2: and we've been sort of waving the flag at multiple

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Speaker 2: governments across multiple years to say that this is going

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Speaker 2: to come and bite us. And it's biting right.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's money. I mean money helps. If

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Speaker 1: I offered you more money, you'd say, sure, why not.

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Speaker 1: But to take something on like teaching, you've got to

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Speaker 1: want to do it, and money can't be the sole reason,

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Speaker 1: which is all I ever hear. It's got to be

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Speaker 1: more complex than that, doesn't it.

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Speaker 2: Well, while we went to that period of full employment

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Speaker 2: just after COVID, you know that twenty two to twenty

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Speaker 2: three sort of seasons where people couldn't get employees, but

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Speaker 2: the borders hadn't quite opened and all that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 2: It was about money. People were leaving teaching because they

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Speaker 2: could literally get paid fifteen or twenty grand more at

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Speaker 2: an entry level job in the private sector, because of course,

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Speaker 2: the private sector was bound by that public sector. The

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Speaker 2: public sector was bound by that public sector pay restraints stuff,

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Speaker 2: and so we did have some money issues. And also

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Speaker 2: when you're going into teaching, when you're finishing a degree,

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Speaker 2: and my son's in exactly this situation. He's finishing his degree.

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Speaker 2: All of his mates are going, I think, I'm going

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Speaker 2: to go get a job so that gives them fifty

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Speaker 2: or sixty grand whatever they're going to be going to

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Speaker 2: go and do, whereas he's got to go do I

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Speaker 2: want to not have an income for another year and

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Speaker 2: pay additional student fees. So he puts himself quite a

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Speaker 2: bit behind everybody else and has.

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Speaker 1: Con But you've got to spend your life in front

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Speaker 1: of a bunch of scruts, And that's the problem.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it. Actually, Actually about ninety eight with the end

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Speaker 2: of them were pretty awesome, mate to me.

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Speaker 1: No, I know, I knew you'd say, But that's the point,

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Speaker 1: isn't it. I mean, it doesn't matter what you've got

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Speaker 1: to love what you do and of the environment not

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Speaker 1: right in all that stuff. That's your real issue, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Pretty much if you go into teacher training and you

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Speaker 2: go on your first practicum, you know in the first

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Speaker 2: half a day whether this beg is for you, and

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Speaker 2: so it is a calling. But also it's a global situation.

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Speaker 2: So we're pretty harsh in New Zealand at looking at ourselves.

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Speaker 2: Are going, good grief, what are were doing wrong? Actually

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Speaker 2: there's a global teacher shortage. I was talking to my

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Speaker 2: offsider in Australia who does the same thing as me.

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Speaker 2: Over there, they've got exactly the same conditions that we've got.

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Speaker 2: I was talking to a guy in the UK recently.

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Speaker 2: The teacher shortage in the UK is extreme. So it's

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Speaker 2: a global phenomenon where people aren't going into teaching. It

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Speaker 2: is becoming more challenging with regard to the non curriculum

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Speaker 2: based demands that have been placed on the school sector

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Speaker 2: across the globe. But it's a fantastic job, so I've

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Speaker 2: got to get into it anyway.

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Speaker 1: Good sales patrick, well done, and I hope we can

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Speaker 1: turn it around. AI might help eventually for COYO, the

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Speaker 1: Secondary Principal Association President.

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