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Speaker 1: Let's take a look back at the week in politics.

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Speaker 1: Barry soapers he has senior political correspondent Gyeto.

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Speaker 2: Barry Hello again right.

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Speaker 1: Now, stats nd z the boss has fallen on his sword.

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Speaker 1: So much to talk about from this week, by the way,

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Speaker 1: big political week, but we'll get straight into it. So

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Speaker 1: we've got the Maori Party so far unscathed by this report.

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Speaker 1: But stats end Z boss on the way out.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, the stats ends Z boss. I think he

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Speaker 2: probably did the right thing, but it was expected of him.

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Speaker 2: I think Brian Roach, the new State Services Commissioner, made

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Speaker 2: no secret of the fact that he did the right thing,

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Speaker 2: which suggests to me that he had no option. But

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Speaker 2: as far as the Maori Party go, we see John

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Speaker 2: Tammerherdy in his selective interviews that he gives did admit

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Speaker 2: that some census forms had been photo copied at the

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Speaker 2: morai that was at the center of all this, that

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Speaker 2: saw the chief executive of the mara making it into

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Speaker 2: Parliament with a majority of forty two over Penny Henare

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Speaker 2: and why they photo copied them is anyone asks, But

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Speaker 2: the bigger question really is how come a marai at

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Speaker 2: the center of a political I guess not only data Base,

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Speaker 2: but power Base was a polling booth at the last election,

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Speaker 2: which seems extraordinary. The electoral officers apologize for that, but

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Speaker 2: there's no excuse. We've really got to have clean elections

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Speaker 2: in this country. We've got to As Brian Roach said,

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Speaker 2: it cut to the heart of democracy. This whole issue

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Speaker 2: where confidential information could have been and I only say

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Speaker 2: could could have been used or misused by a political party.

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Speaker 2: The police are looking at that, so too as the

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Speaker 2: Privacy commissioners. So there's more to hear on this particular.

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Speaker 1: Matter because as you say, at the moment, we don't

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Speaker 1: know what we don't know. We know we have the data,

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Speaker 1: we gave the data away and then we don't know

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Speaker 1: what happened to them.

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Speaker 2: And you know, you have to worry really if you know,

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Speaker 2: when you fill out of scenes as form, you give

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Speaker 2: a lot of material there that you wouldn't want sheer around.

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Speaker 2: Although I've got nothing to hide, I couldn't.

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Speaker 1: Care less, no. But the irony of this is the

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Speaker 1: people who they are trying to contact a lot of

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Speaker 1: the times, they are the types of people who are

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Speaker 1: a bit distrusting of government because they have a back

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Speaker 1: door open with their data, and all they've done is

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Speaker 1: in trying to solve that problem is actually exacerbated in

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Speaker 1: the first place. The automatic pay rises for the public servants.

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Speaker 1: Well a few of them don't deserve one this week,

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Speaker 1: but the automatic pay rises. We chatted about this the

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Speaker 1: other day, Barry. Yes, who in the private sector would

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Speaker 1: be getting an automatic pay rise.

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Speaker 2: To exactly no one. The PSA are jumping up and

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Speaker 2: down about this, saying that they're members, most of whom

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Speaker 2: are public servants. What they all are, and you know

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Speaker 2: they deserve to have yearly increments in their pay. Well,

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Speaker 2: you know, providing they're good at their job, yes, give

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Speaker 2: them a pay rights if they're not. I mean, when

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Speaker 2: you look at the pay bill to the taxpayer last year,

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Speaker 2: six point five billion dollars for the public service wage

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Speaker 2: packet up by five point six percent. Now under national,

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Speaker 2: under national, that's exactly right. Because now you've got Brian Roach.

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Speaker 2: Thank god they've brought old Brian on board because he's

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Speaker 2: looking at a number of things, and it's like the

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Speaker 2: chief executives of the public service as well. At the

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Speaker 2: moment they're appointed by him as the Public Service Commissioner.

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Speaker 2: But Luxin has suggested this week, and I'd suggest there

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Speaker 2: are major changes coming in the public service where you've

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Speaker 2: got very talented people working but aren't getting the acknowledgment

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Speaker 2: that they deserve. And you've got public servants in chief

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Speaker 2: executive's positions that have simply been promoted through the ranks

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Speaker 2: and one person tends to appoint them. Well, you know,

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Speaker 2: maybe cabinet should have a bigger role. People would say

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Speaker 2: that's politicizing the public service. Sorry, the public service has.

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Speaker 1: Already politicized itself. Luxon and Judith Collins on this show

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Speaker 1: last night said that they would increase defense spending closer

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Speaker 1: to two percent of GDP. They haven't said, obviously, how

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Speaker 1: long it might tapen to get there. The only clue

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Speaker 1: we've got is this fifteen year defense plan that they

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Speaker 1: haven't dropped yet. Perhaps in that they might suggest it

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Speaker 1: will take us years.

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Speaker 2: Again, I think that would be the safest bet, actually, Ryan,

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Speaker 2: when you look at New Zealand's defense spending, it's just

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Speaker 2: over one percent GDP, so they're going to have to

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Speaker 2: double it, and who only knows what period of time

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Speaker 2: there are you know, other politicians that say we should

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Speaker 2: be anymore. But you know, that's a massive pass budget

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Speaker 2: for a country like ours.

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Speaker 1: And the operating allowance that Nicola Willis has got to

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Speaker 1: work with. You know, true, the whole thing up happens

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Speaker 1: out exactly interesting. What Chris Hipkins said about it this week,

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Speaker 1: he said, oh, look, you know, we do need to

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Speaker 1: spend more. It's not about how much we spend, it's

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Speaker 1: about whatever we need to have, we'll spend the money on.

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Speaker 1: So it sounds to me like, you know, an empty check.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, you know the problem is that when you

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Speaker 2: look at a country like New Zealand, our role has always,

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Speaker 2: essentially since the Last World War, been in a peacekeeping

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Speaker 2: role that does cost a lot of money. But we

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Speaker 2: had these old land vehicles labs. Why the hell do

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Speaker 2: we have those?

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Speaker 1: We could even get rid of them. We couldn't even

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Speaker 1: sell them, No one wants.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's been so many mistakes made in defense

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Speaker 2: procurement in this country that I don't think we need.

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Speaker 2: We need expertise, and that is in the peacekeeping role

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Speaker 2: and what have you.

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Speaker 1: Well, perhaps we should be spending our money on satellite.

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Speaker 1: You know, we've got Mahir, we've got rocket Lab. Perhaps

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Speaker 1: that sort of intelligent satellite tracking st to maybe that's

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Speaker 1: where we should be spending exactly it, and.

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Speaker 2: New Zealand should be leaders in that. And we are

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Speaker 2: good trainers and we've you know, we've been training Ukrainian

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Speaker 2: troops in Britain mainly, so we are good at that role.

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Speaker 2: But I think we should really cut our cloth.

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Speaker 1: Sounds like it, Arry, thank you very much for that,

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Speaker 1: very Soper, Senior Political Correspondent. That's the Defense Force budget allocation,

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Speaker 1: according to Barry and I.

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