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Speaker 1: Dan Mitchinson, US correspondent with US.

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Speaker 2: Now, Hey Dan, Hey there, Heather.

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Speaker 1: On a scale of one to ten, how badly are

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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris's campaign panicking?

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Speaker 2: Boy? I guess it depends on who you ask. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we've got two weeks from tonight, we're going to be

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Speaker 2: talking about this, you and I and we may have

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Speaker 2: a very good idea who's going to win the White House.

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Speaker 2: But right now, I think they're pretty confident that over

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Speaker 2: the next couple of weeks, Donald Trump is going to

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Speaker 2: continue to be Donald Trump. And while he's doing that,

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Speaker 2: I think Harris is going to try to paint herself

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Speaker 2: as more presidential and you know, she's going to be

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Speaker 2: having symbolic backgrounds and make sure that she can win

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Speaker 2: each of a handful of swing states that will decide

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Speaker 2: this election, you know, six or seven states.

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Speaker 1: Right, So what is she going to be able to

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Speaker 1: do because the problem for her is the margins are

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Speaker 1: so thin that he is likely to beat her on

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Speaker 1: the night. So what's she going to do to widen

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Speaker 1: those margins out in her favor?

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Speaker 2: I think she's going to again try to act a

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Speaker 2: little bit more presidential. I think she's going to spend

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Speaker 2: a lot more time in these half dozen or seven

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Speaker 2: or eight states or so. And I think that there

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Speaker 2: are a lot of people right now that, like you said,

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Speaker 2: aren't going to believe that this race could still be

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Speaker 2: tied two weeks from tonight. But the battleground states are

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Speaker 2: where the presidency will be won. And I think you're

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Speaker 2: just going to have to be on your A game.

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Speaker 2: And while Trump will be Trump rambling all over the

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Speaker 2: place and unpredictable, which will get him coverage. I think

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Speaker 2: Harris is hoping that she's going to look more the

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Speaker 2: part than Trump's been in the last couple of weeks. So,

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Speaker 2: you know, serving French fries, which was a great photo

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Speaker 2: op at McDonald's, but also got a lot of backlash too,

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Speaker 2: I think for people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but again the backlash, I mean, I feel like

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Speaker 1: I repeat myself and it's boring to me. I'm sorry

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Speaker 1: about this is probably boring to you too. But it

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter whether the priest is negative or positive. For Trump,

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Speaker 1: it's price right, and so if we're talking about him,

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Speaker 1: we're not talking about her.

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Speaker 2: It works for him, No, it does. It seems to

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Speaker 2: do that. The only thing I can say that that's

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Speaker 2: changed him in recent months, and we mentioned this number

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Speaker 2: of times on your shows that he seems a little

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Speaker 2: bit more tired. I don't think he seems to have

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Speaker 2: the energy that he has moving forward. But he's still

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Speaker 2: getting coverage. It doesn't matter what he does, good or bad,

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Speaker 2: what he says, he still makes the front page of

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Speaker 2: the of the the you know the paper.

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Speaker 1: Hy So tell me about the former boss of Abercrombie

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Speaker 1: and Fitch.

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Speaker 2: Oh, can I just tell you there was smoke about

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Speaker 2: a year ago, and you know where there's smoke, there's

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Speaker 2: going to be fire about this too. I mean there

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Speaker 2: was his CEO, Mike Jeffries and a couple of others

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Speaker 2: were arrested today for alleged sex trafficking. And I mean

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Speaker 2: this is an international sex trafficking and prostitution business. They

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Speaker 2: recruited young guys for parties here in the US and

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Speaker 2: other countries, and you know, allegedly paid dozens of men

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Speaker 2: to travel around the world to engage in these acts

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Speaker 2: over the last six, seven, eight years. And they were

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Speaker 2: led to believe these men that they were going to

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Speaker 2: attend these events and they would get modeling opportunities. So

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Speaker 2: last year the company said, you know, we hired an

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Speaker 2: outside law firm to connect an independent investigation. They got

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Speaker 2: a report from the BBC. That's when the smoke started

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Speaker 2: going up. It took twelve months, but then it just

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Speaker 2: all blew up today and there was a huge fire.

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Speaker 2: And so these guys are going to be a rain

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Speaker 2: later this week in Friday, I believe.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Rudy Giuliani, Oh.

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Speaker 2: All right, so we know he was America's mayor, right,

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Speaker 2: So the judge today has said, you've got to turn

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Speaker 2: all over everything, I mean all your valuable possessions, your penthouse, apartment,

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Speaker 2: basically everything he owns to these election workers in Georgia

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Speaker 2: who counted the ballots back after the twenty twenty election,

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Speaker 2: and he would have famed. And he owes one hundred

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Speaker 2: and fifty million dollars right now. So he's having to

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Speaker 2: give up I mean everything from watches that he was

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Speaker 2: given by European leaders to his home and a sports

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Speaker 2: car that he was given from Lauren. But call and

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Speaker 2: where do you go from here? Heather? I mean, this

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Speaker 2: guy has lost everything to Hawk and coffee. But I

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Speaker 2: think this just goes to show you that all these

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Speaker 2: people that have surrounded themselves around Donald Trump seem to

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Speaker 2: get caught out, but you know, the teflon Dawn just

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Speaker 2: remains kind of a popular as evert with him.

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Speaker 1: It's bizarre, right, It's bizarre how many people around him

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Speaker 1: fall down. Hey, Dan, thank you as always appreciate it. Mate.

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