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Speaker 1: What you might have thought was a blast from the past.

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Speaker 1: We have supply chain issues at our ports for goodness

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Speaker 1: like crane rates are stuck at twenty twelve levels, which

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Speaker 1: undermindes our target to double exports by twenty thirty four. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: Brent Phillervey is the chair of the New Zealand Cargo

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Speaker 1: Owners Council and is with us. Brent, good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Mike.

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Speaker 1: What's going on here? I thought we'd sorted all this

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Speaker 1: out well, Mike.

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Speaker 2: Here, as you probably know, there's more than four hundred

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Speaker 2: ports around the world, and New Zealand from a productivity

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Speaker 2: point of view, is in the bottle of twenty percent.

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Speaker 2: The majority of our ports are congested and poor productivity.

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Speaker 2: Since twenty nineteen, productivities declined by up to thirty percent

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Speaker 2: and costs have gone up and things are a mess.

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Speaker 1: Wow, they know all of this, And if I went

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Speaker 1: and talked to the heads of all these ports, they'd

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Speaker 1: understand that, and they'd say they're doing something about it

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Speaker 1: or not.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, they do know about it. Obviously, Tarum has

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Speaker 2: been trying to do something about it for six years now.

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Speaker 2: It's still in court.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that a standard that's.

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Speaker 2: Pretty bad, Mike. I mean, I think I've spent something

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Speaker 2: night what twelve million dollars so far and haven't done anything.

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Speaker 1: Exactly the Auckland port the other day, they're going to

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Speaker 1: be building left, right and center. Is all that stuff helping?

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Speaker 2: Well, well, well it kind of is. It's but that's

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Speaker 2: more as you know, to do with the cruise ships,

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Speaker 2: not so much the cargo ship.

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Speaker 1: Well, I thought the crane and one of the wolves

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Speaker 1: were going to be able to go up and down.

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Speaker 1: It was going to be a new tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Well, like I've got an Auckland, I've got eight cranes.

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Speaker 2: You really see more than four working in Often you

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Speaker 2: go down the port, you can see one crane working,

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Speaker 2: one ship on the berth. If they had four cranes,

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Speaker 2: we're going to be out seventy five percent faster.

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Speaker 1: So why aren't we fi? Why aren't we running the country? Brent?

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Speaker 1: Doesn't sound that hard to me. You just get all

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Speaker 1: the cranes working all the time.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's that'd be a good point. But what we

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Speaker 2: think we need to do is actually have a reset.

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Speaker 2: We're talking to the government. We're saying we need to

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Speaker 2: have a hub and spoke model around the ports. The

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Speaker 2: hub is actually big deep sea ports that are really

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Speaker 2: efficient and the spoke with small ports moving cargo to

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Speaker 2: those those large ports, and it would be done by

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Speaker 2: coastal shipping would have to be hand in hand of

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Speaker 2: rail and road. I mean, you'll probably notice that some

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Speaker 2: good work done at rail. They've had a bit of

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Speaker 2: a reset. But to go to the next level for rail,

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Speaker 2: they need volume that will drive efficiencies and costs.

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Speaker 1: Do you reckon that's going to happen? Is it possible?

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Speaker 2: Well, it has to. Might We think we've got five

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Speaker 2: years to go before we're really in trouble, and it's

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Speaker 2: five years to get them for structure. Right. We met

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Speaker 2: the government last week in a fact and we said

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Speaker 2: them the first thing that we need is dart We

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Speaker 2: need good data. We don't think you don't understand what

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Speaker 2: cargo is moving where and how, and so we need

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Speaker 2: to have really good data about that stuff. And then

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Speaker 2: we need to put a strategic lens across the whole

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Speaker 2: supply chain. That's that's from farm gate or forest gate

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Speaker 2: through to the ports.

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Speaker 1: We sound like we're stuck in another in a time warp.

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Speaker 2: Well we kind of are. I mean, you automation is

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Speaker 2: the key. I know, I know that that's foiled in Auckland.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what they are modeled on. But then

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Speaker 2: if you look at someone who likes to Singapore, that's

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Speaker 2: so good and they're almost in a different planet.

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Speaker 1: How many play feel Good on You're britt Nice to

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Speaker 1: talk to your brick for Felby's the chair of the

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Speaker 1: New Zealand Cargo Owners Council. How many people have come

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Speaker 1: on this program? Forget all the times I've set it,

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Speaker 1: but how many people have come on this program? Said,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. If you look at Singapore, it's

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Speaker 1: almost like another planet. So small island nation, five million people, God,

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