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Speaker 2: Hello, dank you on to good afternoon and welcome into

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Speaker 2: the Saturday edition of Weekends Sport February seven. Trust you're

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Speaker 2: enjoying your long weekend. I'm Jason Pine, show producer is

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Speaker 2: and McDonald. We're talking sport with you until three this time.

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Speaker 2: Next weekend. Super Rugby Pacific twenty twenty six will be underway.

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Speaker 2: Highlanders Crusaders to kick us off on Friday night in Dunedin.

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Speaker 2: Across this weekend, we're going to check in with all

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Speaker 2: six of the New Zealand based Super Rugby franchises, Hurricanes,

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Speaker 2: Chiefs and Highlanders tomorrow today. Penny Head, coach of the

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Speaker 2: Umanga after two from Mwana PACIFICA. How can they build

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Speaker 2: on their best ever season and fill the massive gap

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Speaker 2: left by Ardie Savier's absence and into the Blues camp

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Speaker 2: as well. Jason o'haller, and assistant coach with the Blues,

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Speaker 2: Shane Curry's investigative Peace in the New Zealand Herald Today,

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Speaker 2: which covers off many of the events which led to

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Speaker 2: New Zealand Rugby parting ways with All Blacks head coach

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Speaker 2: Scott Robertson last month. There are so many interesting bits

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Speaker 2: of information in this terrific piece of journalism. I would

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Speaker 2: urge you to check it out. It's premium Herald content,

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Speaker 2: me is this, Why didn't the All Blacks get the

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Speaker 2: razor that the Crusaders got? What happened that meant this

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Speaker 2: extraordinarily successful super rugby coach couldn't transfer that success into

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Speaker 2: itself part of this whole thing. Neil McGregor is a

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Speaker 2: leadership and organizational culture consultant. He's standing by to chat

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Speaker 2: to us. I'm very keen to kick this around with

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Speaker 2: the matters around today? The Winter Olympics underway in Milan,

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Speaker 2: Zealand's metal chances over the next couple of weeks. High

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Speaker 2: Massive game of football for Auckland FC this afternoon. They

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Speaker 2: Auckland FC defender Dan Haller's on the show this afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Adam Peacock, out of Australia in his regular slot including

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Speaker 2: Talks MB eleven past midday. There is a comprehensive and

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Speaker 2: One of the most taling pieces in this piece of journalism,

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Speaker 2: Human Synergistics, New Zealand. He joins us now, Neil, thanks

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Speaker 2: for lending us your insight. How common, first of all,

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Speaker 4: You look, it's sexually more common than what people think.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot going on, and so you start learning

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Speaker 2: That's a great analogy, great metaphor. So Scott Robertson would

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's not a silly man. He knows that

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's hard what to say. Certainly how different the

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Speaker 4: And in that way, you know, you're not mentoring them

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Speaker 4: You're mentoring them around Hey, what's the pace of change?

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Speaker 4: How many things go to look at? Where are the

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Speaker 2: How much responsibility Neil does an employer have to support

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Speaker 4: how good a job did we do and supporting Scott.

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Speaker 2: Robertson right, And you mentioned before in a normal situation,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, absolutely, Well funny you know the pressure. This

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Speaker 4: around that in the article. Whereas previous coaches didn't do anything,

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Speaker 4: that's a tell potentially that Scott was processing things at more,

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Speaker 4: he was probably more cognizant of the pressure of thefferent

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Speaker 4: potentially the others were just like, hey, it's just part

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Speaker 4: that's actually going to deliver the results. So it's a

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Speaker 4: bit of a funny answer, but did you find it?

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Speaker 4: You see the theme in that I do.

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Speaker 2: I definitely do. Just back to your spinning plates metaphor

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Speaker 2: what strategies are most effective, Neil. Is it just to

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Speaker 2: focus on the most important plates? Is it to try

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Speaker 2: to get around the other plates. What is the most

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Speaker 2: effective strategy when it comes to so many plates, so

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Speaker 2: many balls in the air?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no, good call.

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Speaker 4: It is around identifying those things which are going to

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Speaker 4: And so there's an ultimate goal there. But to do that,

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Speaker 2: Good to chat to you. Neil Things indeed that is

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Speaker 2: New Zealand. Plenty to pick up on there, Oh, eight

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Speaker 6: Ian? Hello mate, Hello pony hair gown today?

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Speaker 6: First things first, mister Robertson is not a bad coach

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Speaker 2: You can't win. You can't win seven Super Rugby titles

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Speaker 2: Great, great to hear your voice, how you mean.

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Speaker 6: good or bad? And he said, well, obviously bad from

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Speaker 6: listing experience, he said, but good to be able to

431
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Speaker 6: establish a culture. He said, it's very hard to establish

432
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Speaker 6: a culture when senior players are there and you know

433
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Speaker 6: they're basically ruling the roost. And I think there's an

434
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Speaker 6: element of that when Razor has gone in there aasing

435
00:25:21,227 --> 00:25:25,267
Speaker 6: you boy be ruined the roost. His only chance would

436
00:25:25,267 --> 00:25:28,027
Speaker 6: have been if he was allowed to be himself and

437
00:25:28,067 --> 00:25:30,867
Speaker 6: be the person that won seven titles on the trot.

438
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Speaker 6: It can't be an issue with all blacks per se,

439
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Speaker 6: because he would have had loads of all blacks planet

440
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Speaker 6: the Crusaders. They didn't have any problems with him. So

441
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Speaker 6: I believe there's an element of that there, the newness

442
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Speaker 6: of him there, the established culture that they didn't enjoy,

443
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Speaker 6: and he got caught between two stools. Is thinking bravely.

444
00:25:50,467 --> 00:25:54,147
Speaker 6: They're not responding well to my usual approach, which has

445
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Speaker 6: been successful. They're pushing back against it. Then he's got

446
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Speaker 6: all these other people hangers on and administrators and the

447
00:26:01,747 --> 00:26:05,267
Speaker 6: pressure of the job, and he's become neither Arthur nor

448
00:26:05,427 --> 00:26:08,187
Speaker 6: Martha and any sorry for him. I put my hand up.

449
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Speaker 6: I'm very fond of Raiser. I've got a lot of

450
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Speaker 6: time for him. But I think that's, you know, almost

451
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Speaker 6: the crux of the matter.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so well articulated, you should be he should be

453
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Speaker 2: on the side of the microphone, as you know, calling you.

454
00:26:23,427 --> 00:26:26,227
Speaker 2: I should be calling your number and say, here's what

455
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Speaker 2: I think the succession play anything so interesting to me

456
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Speaker 2: because who would if they had gone down that line,

457
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Speaker 2: which of of Ian Foster's assistants at the time would

458
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Speaker 2: have I guess Jason Ryan would have been the most

459
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Speaker 2: obvious one. But there was never any thought, was there

460
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Speaker 2: that there was a success or within Ian Foster's coaching team?

461
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Speaker 6: Yeah? That I think you're right there. I mean, Jason

462
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Speaker 6: Ryan obviously seems to be the one that gets the

463
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Speaker 6: most cue dos, the one that people seem to point

464
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Speaker 6: out the whole time. But you've got to say that

465
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Speaker 6: he wasn't being sort of touted as the successor. And

466
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Speaker 6: b I don't know why I've got this. I'm sure,

467
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Speaker 6: he's a magnificent coach, but in my mind I couldn't

468
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Speaker 6: see him as you know, just you know, randomly. I

469
00:27:11,867 --> 00:27:14,267
Speaker 6: couldn't see him as an all black coach. And maybe

470
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Speaker 6: they should have brought could have I don't know whether

471
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Speaker 6: he was up for it or not. They could have

472
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Speaker 6: bought Razor in, you know, as the successor brought him in.

473
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Speaker 6: Remember they were going to they were going to bring

474
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Speaker 6: him in and kick poor old Fuzzy out in South Africa.

475
00:27:27,747 --> 00:27:31,947
Speaker 6: Mirk Robinson went over there. Didn't he to hoof him out? Well,

476
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Speaker 6: they could have had a sort of mix in between

477
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Speaker 6: and brought him in there and said, you know, a compromise,

478
00:27:36,627 --> 00:27:39,387
Speaker 6: said okay, he comes in and then we're going to

479
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Speaker 6: say over and carried on the same succession planning that

480
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Speaker 6: they'd had before. But I really, I mean, if you're

481
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Speaker 6: going into a job like that, and I understand what

482
00:27:48,947 --> 00:27:50,867
Speaker 6: your guest before was doing, but if you're going into

483
00:27:50,867 --> 00:27:53,827
Speaker 6: a job like that and you're coming off your success

484
00:27:54,267 --> 00:27:58,067
Speaker 6: you've got to be allowed to a pick your own staff,

485
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Speaker 6: but b pick the direction. I mean, you've been hired

486
00:28:02,067 --> 00:28:04,827
Speaker 6: because the previous guy had sort of lost his way

487
00:28:04,867 --> 00:28:07,187
Speaker 6: a little bit, or they weren't happy with them. You

488
00:28:07,227 --> 00:28:10,907
Speaker 6: want something new, and Raiser would have brought that something new.

489
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Speaker 6: But to do that you need the buying off the administration,

490
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Speaker 6: but more importantly the buying of the players. And I think,

491
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Speaker 6: like I say, I think they pushed back early on

492
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Speaker 6: and he tried to modify himself and he just got lost.

493
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Speaker 2: Cheers. Great to hear your voice and your thoughts. Mate.

494
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Speaker 2: Thanks for calling in, Mike.

495
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Speaker 6: There are no problem at any time for it anyway.

496
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Speaker 2: The unmistakable awesome voice of Miles Davis. I'm sure you've

497
00:28:40,707 --> 00:28:43,507
Speaker 2: heard them on this radio station and others as well.

498
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Speaker 2: Always love getting his thoughts back to the lines in

499
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Speaker 2: a moment. The great text here from Stephan Jason. I

500
00:28:48,747 --> 00:28:51,787
Speaker 2: know it's counterintuitive, but taking what has worked in other

501
00:28:51,907 --> 00:28:55,227
Speaker 2: roles in the past doesn't usually work as well. The

502
00:28:55,267 --> 00:28:59,547
Speaker 2: principles are transferable, but the tactics usually have to be reinvented.

503
00:28:59,827 --> 00:29:02,347
Speaker 2: You don't come into a new role knowing the context

504
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Speaker 2: so you can apply building the relationships and the culture.

505
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Speaker 2: The book The First ninety Days explains that this is

506
00:29:08,867 --> 00:29:12,187
Speaker 2: a common issue for why transitions fail. Your guests, I

507
00:29:12,187 --> 00:29:16,467
Speaker 2: think express good points on mentorship or desk files for continuity.

508
00:29:16,707 --> 00:29:18,907
Speaker 2: Scott Robinson also wanted to change a few things and

509
00:29:18,947 --> 00:29:21,547
Speaker 2: that was tough. There were many challenges when he started,

510
00:29:21,627 --> 00:29:24,907
Speaker 2: and hindsight suggests it was not as well handled as

511
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Speaker 2: it could have been. Thanks Stefan, great points well made

512
00:29:27,667 --> 00:29:30,627
Speaker 2: being high. Hey mate, good Ben.

513
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Speaker 8: The mole stole me under there a bit. But yeah,

514
00:29:35,747 --> 00:29:37,667
Speaker 8: heads off to the heads off to your interview man.

515
00:29:37,707 --> 00:29:40,427
Speaker 8: That that feller, you can see why he's in the

516
00:29:40,507 --> 00:29:44,667
Speaker 8: position that he's in, just been able to be able

517
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Speaker 8: to explain things like he does. Just heads off to him.

518
00:29:50,867 --> 00:29:54,147
Speaker 8: But yeahs are saying, mass sommer thunder that we did

519
00:29:54,187 --> 00:29:58,947
Speaker 8: the same thing. And in the old Journey Shop, we're

520
00:29:58,987 --> 00:30:01,227
Speaker 8: a team. We take wood in the front door, we

521
00:30:01,307 --> 00:30:02,947
Speaker 8: put it out the back door. We achieve what we

522
00:30:03,027 --> 00:30:06,867
Speaker 8: do because we're a team. And pople come and go,

523
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Speaker 8: but we always have the new people coming in to

524
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Speaker 8: fill a position. The old boys stay on for a

525
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Speaker 8: couple of weeks and and and and it makes it

526
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Speaker 8: a bit easier for that transition. And he was saying

527
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Speaker 8: from from Hanson, from Henry to to Hampton to Fozzy.

528
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Speaker 8: Yeah maybe, but you know you're gonna look at I'm

529
00:30:31,027 --> 00:30:34,707
Speaker 8: calling stage fright I'm calling stars truck. You know, look

530
00:30:34,747 --> 00:30:41,067
Speaker 8: at Robbie Dean's it was another classic that on on

531
00:30:41,227 --> 00:30:47,747
Speaker 8: paper should have shown and and and didn't. Well yeah

532
00:30:48,147 --> 00:30:51,987
Speaker 8: he was he was trying to teach Australians. But that's

533
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Speaker 8: another that's that's for the state of origin chat.

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Speaker 5: Isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the succession thing, it's great when you'd have

536
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Speaker 2: that plan working internally. But yeah, once they once they

537
00:31:04,507 --> 00:31:06,907
Speaker 2: had Scott Robertsons, it was just a very it was

538
00:31:06,907 --> 00:31:09,347
Speaker 2: an unusual set of circumstances historically.

539
00:31:10,387 --> 00:31:10,547
Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: But know what I was saying is like when Ian

541
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Speaker 2: Foster's in the job, so Scott Roberson gets the job

542
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Speaker 2: at the start of twenty twenty three, knows he's taking

543
00:31:17,387 --> 00:31:19,867
Speaker 2: over after the World Cup. There's no way there's a

544
00:31:19,987 --> 00:31:24,427
Speaker 2: handover happening here. Ian Foster isn't handing over to Scott Robertson.

545
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Speaker 2: You know, the two of them, I'm sure didn't sit down,

546
00:31:27,547 --> 00:31:30,107
Speaker 2: you know, over coffee and discuss the ins and outs

547
00:31:30,147 --> 00:31:30,587
Speaker 2: of the job.

548
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Speaker 9: You know.

549
00:31:31,107 --> 00:31:33,627
Speaker 2: It just it just wasn't going to happen that way.

550
00:31:34,467 --> 00:31:34,667
Speaker 5: Yeah.

551
00:31:34,787 --> 00:31:38,827
Speaker 8: No, And I think it's I mean, I hate to

552
00:31:38,827 --> 00:31:43,027
Speaker 8: speak because yeah, it's just it's the big unknown factor

553
00:31:43,067 --> 00:31:45,667
Speaker 8: until you get him on on the on the show

554
00:31:45,747 --> 00:31:49,627
Speaker 8: and we hear from the horse's mouth himself. But yeah,

555
00:31:50,067 --> 00:31:52,307
Speaker 8: all I can explain it. Boy is maybe a bit

556
00:31:52,387 --> 00:31:57,507
Speaker 8: starstruck at the stage for it. But I don't need

557
00:31:57,547 --> 00:31:58,987
Speaker 8: either go I made or I would never want to

558
00:31:59,027 --> 00:31:59,627
Speaker 8: be in that job.

559
00:31:59,867 --> 00:32:02,227
Speaker 2: No me either been And look he'll turn up somewhere.

560
00:32:02,627 --> 00:32:06,267
Speaker 2: There's no question, you know. Thanks for you, Corby, always

561
00:32:06,467 --> 00:32:08,747
Speaker 2: chatting to your mate. I love your irreverent look at things.

562
00:32:09,427 --> 00:32:11,867
Speaker 2: You know, he'll he'll, he'll find another job. He's probably got,

563
00:32:11,907 --> 00:32:16,427
Speaker 2: you know, have offers now. But yeah, that the job

564
00:32:16,547 --> 00:32:20,627
Speaker 2: is just massive, clearly you know. Yes, I'm sure you

565
00:32:20,827 --> 00:32:23,307
Speaker 2: think you know, but until you're in it, you don't

566
00:32:24,027 --> 00:32:26,067
Speaker 2: eighteen away from one. Pete hold there, mate with you

567
00:32:26,107 --> 00:32:29,147
Speaker 2: after the spear line. We'll talk this until one eight

568
00:32:29,267 --> 00:32:30,587
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty back in.

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Speaker 1: A month one crutch Hold Engage Weekend Sports with Jason

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Speaker 1: Tame and GJ. Gunnerhomes New Zealand's first trusted home builder,

571
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Speaker 1: News Talk to Baby.

572
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Speaker 2: Caught it to one. We're going to start our Super

573
00:32:42,867 --> 00:32:45,587
Speaker 2: Rugby round up after one o'clock with a man who

574
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Speaker 2: succeeded Raiser at the Crusaders, Rob Penny, he will be

575
00:32:49,867 --> 00:32:53,707
Speaker 2: with us after the one o'clock news. Hello Pete, Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 8: They're piney.

577
00:32:54,267 --> 00:32:56,747
Speaker 10: I give Old Razor, you know, he did well with

578
00:32:56,907 --> 00:32:59,667
Speaker 10: the Crusaders and that sup of rugby league. But I

579
00:32:59,707 --> 00:33:02,747
Speaker 10: think he I think he realizes himself now. He went

580
00:33:02,787 --> 00:33:05,827
Speaker 10: from the bottom run run on a ladder to you know,

581
00:33:06,507 --> 00:33:08,627
Speaker 10: a lot higher level on the ladder, and I think

582
00:33:09,067 --> 00:33:12,707
Speaker 10: and he mustn't mean. I listened to Ian Foster there

583
00:33:12,747 --> 00:33:15,987
Speaker 10: he wrote that book you know of just recently and

584
00:33:16,787 --> 00:33:19,027
Speaker 10: leading under Pressure, and I listened to part and he

585
00:33:19,107 --> 00:33:22,227
Speaker 10: had had those two guys in the epics stories he was.

586
00:33:22,427 --> 00:33:24,427
Speaker 10: I listened to that for set two hours. I listened

587
00:33:24,427 --> 00:33:28,427
Speaker 10: to the sixteen minutes, and I think Ian was a

588
00:33:28,507 --> 00:33:31,427
Speaker 10: better coach than most people realize. He's very in depth

589
00:33:31,827 --> 00:33:35,027
Speaker 10: how he selects his players. You want to listen to

590
00:33:35,107 --> 00:33:38,707
Speaker 10: the to that talk back and with a lot of respect.

591
00:33:38,907 --> 00:33:40,747
Speaker 10: After listening to the sixty minutes, I haven't listened to

592
00:33:40,787 --> 00:33:43,547
Speaker 10: the other half. But yet people don't realize how good

593
00:33:43,587 --> 00:33:46,987
Speaker 10: of coaches was and how he got treated. You know,

594
00:33:47,067 --> 00:33:50,627
Speaker 10: when he was when he was the coach by the

595
00:33:50,747 --> 00:33:54,547
Speaker 10: rugby at the time, it was not nice how he

596
00:33:54,627 --> 00:33:57,547
Speaker 10: got treated and that was not right. He got basically

597
00:33:57,707 --> 00:34:00,187
Speaker 10: bullied out of the job. And I got an old saying,

598
00:34:01,187 --> 00:34:04,667
Speaker 10: if you're a bully that comes around to you in

599
00:34:04,787 --> 00:34:08,947
Speaker 10: the end, Raiser basically bullied into their job. But he

600
00:34:09,067 --> 00:34:11,027
Speaker 10: wasn't up to the league. That just wasn't up to

601
00:34:11,067 --> 00:34:12,747
Speaker 10: that stand. That's just my point of viewing. I think

602
00:34:12,747 --> 00:34:15,667
Speaker 10: he realizes that now. I think David Kirk's decision was

603
00:34:15,787 --> 00:34:18,987
Speaker 10: pretty right yet to get the sorted before the World

604
00:34:19,027 --> 00:34:20,347
Speaker 10: Cup in two years time.

605
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Speaker 2: Pete, thanks for your call. Good points. Well, mate, I

606
00:34:24,347 --> 00:34:29,267
Speaker 2: think history will reflect fairly kindly on Ian Foster. Think

607
00:34:29,307 --> 00:34:31,227
Speaker 2: at the time and the eye of the storm, and

608
00:34:31,307 --> 00:34:36,067
Speaker 2: goodness me the the intense pressure he was under from

609
00:34:36,107 --> 00:34:38,627
Speaker 2: the rugby public. But I think, you know, given the

610
00:34:38,707 --> 00:34:42,067
Speaker 2: distance of time now and looking back, I think I

611
00:34:42,107 --> 00:34:46,147
Speaker 2: think history will will look fairly kindly on his legacy.

612
00:34:46,187 --> 00:34:48,067
Speaker 2: As all Blacks coach Andrew High.

613
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Speaker 11: Good, Jason, how are you good?

614
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Speaker 2: Andrew good?

615
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Speaker 11: But they're all good coaches. They wouldn't be doing what

616
00:34:55,267 --> 00:34:58,067
Speaker 11: they're doing if they're well, and there'll be lots of

617
00:34:58,187 --> 00:35:01,667
Speaker 11: reasons why any or all of them do or don't succeed.

618
00:35:01,907 --> 00:35:06,227
Speaker 11: But the disappointing thing for me on the back of

619
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Speaker 11: something that as an All Black fan, made me very

620
00:35:08,907 --> 00:35:12,867
Speaker 11: proud over the years. This custodian of the jersey thing

621
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Speaker 11: that players often talk about, but that doesn't seem to

622
00:35:17,307 --> 00:35:21,987
Speaker 11: apply to the coaching role, either from the management perspective

623
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Speaker 11: or the players perspective. And I think the succession trending

624
00:35:26,467 --> 00:35:31,147
Speaker 11: is good. But until incoming and outgoing coaches can I

625
00:35:31,187 --> 00:35:34,987
Speaker 11: guess hand over the reins with the same dignity that

626
00:35:35,147 --> 00:35:39,107
Speaker 11: the players have done in the last ten decades, I

627
00:35:39,187 --> 00:35:41,667
Speaker 11: don't think we'll ever get past the sorta who's the

628
00:35:41,747 --> 00:35:43,667
Speaker 11: best coach argument? They're all good coaches.

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Speaker 2: That's a great point, Andrew, You're so right, because the

630
00:35:46,227 --> 00:35:49,507
Speaker 2: players always say this, don't they, That we are the

631
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Speaker 2: temporary guardians of the jersey that we wear. We wear

632
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Speaker 2: it and we try to leave it in a better

633
00:35:54,587 --> 00:35:57,627
Speaker 2: place for whoever's next. They players say it a lot.

634
00:35:57,747 --> 00:36:00,827
Speaker 2: It's clearly drilled into the All Blacks DNA. You're right,

635
00:36:00,947 --> 00:36:03,027
Speaker 2: it doesn't seem to apply to the coaches.

636
00:36:03,347 --> 00:36:07,427
Speaker 11: And look, I have been lived enough to go to

637
00:36:07,547 --> 00:36:10,347
Speaker 11: a Hall of Fame presentation at the Crusaders and they

638
00:36:10,427 --> 00:36:13,947
Speaker 11: say the same things. And I truly believe they need it.

639
00:36:15,227 --> 00:36:17,747
Speaker 11: They have bought into it one hundred percent. I believe

640
00:36:17,827 --> 00:36:20,987
Speaker 11: the same as the Orblacks. But as players, they too

641
00:36:21,187 --> 00:36:25,827
Speaker 11: have a responsibility to allow a new coach to come

642
00:36:26,347 --> 00:36:29,227
Speaker 11: with an open mind, and at times I don't think

643
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Speaker 11: players do that.

644
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Speaker 2: Good man, Andrew, great, cool mate, Thanks for cole and

645
00:36:33,707 --> 00:36:35,547
Speaker 2: cool back anytime. Jamie, high.

646
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Speaker 6: Ay, Jason, are just picking up when you're a chair

647
00:36:40,227 --> 00:36:43,547
Speaker 6: with Miles before. Just a couple of things. Yeah, you

648
00:36:43,627 --> 00:36:48,067
Speaker 6: know you're saying that Jesson Wayne was. You know, they're

649
00:36:48,067 --> 00:36:50,747
Speaker 6: saying who's going to take a Pozzi form thing that

650
00:36:50,987 --> 00:36:53,107
Speaker 6: the guy probably would have been was Joe Smith.

651
00:36:53,547 --> 00:36:55,147
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, of course yep.

652
00:36:56,387 --> 00:37:00,027
Speaker 6: And also you were rather effect with the benefit the

653
00:37:00,067 --> 00:37:03,587
Speaker 6: fine site. And remember when Hanson stepped aside, the foster

654
00:37:03,707 --> 00:37:07,587
Speaker 6: took over for the job then, and so I wonder

655
00:37:07,707 --> 00:37:11,667
Speaker 6: with if Bezer was willing to be taking an assistance

656
00:37:11,747 --> 00:37:13,587
Speaker 6: role in the team that I don't know, it may

657
00:37:13,707 --> 00:37:15,947
Speaker 6: prepared them better for what for what the All Black

658
00:37:16,027 --> 00:37:19,227
Speaker 6: job really is? Yeah think maybe yeah, sort of relationship.

659
00:37:19,267 --> 00:37:20,587
Speaker 6: But that's hindsight, you know for you.

660
00:37:20,987 --> 00:37:23,307
Speaker 2: Yeah, always twenty twenty Jamie, you're right, look at you,

661
00:37:23,947 --> 00:37:27,227
Speaker 2: You're right. Could when Ian Foster took over in twenty nineteen.

662
00:37:27,587 --> 00:37:29,907
Speaker 2: The approach you'll be made to Raiser to say, hey,

663
00:37:30,267 --> 00:37:32,387
Speaker 2: come into the setup, learn what it's like in here,

664
00:37:32,907 --> 00:37:37,027
Speaker 2: and you are our succession plan. It feels like it,

665
00:37:37,187 --> 00:37:40,787
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know. Sounds great in theory, doesn't

666
00:37:40,787 --> 00:37:43,427
Speaker 2: it would have worked with those two personalities. Not too sure,

667
00:37:43,947 --> 00:37:48,707
Speaker 2: but surely you're better equipped coming from within the environment

668
00:37:48,827 --> 00:37:52,507
Speaker 2: to the specifics of the environment. It doesn't mean you're

669
00:37:52,507 --> 00:37:53,827
Speaker 2: going to be the best All Blacks coach, but at

670
00:37:53,907 --> 00:37:56,587
Speaker 2: least you go in, you know, with with lived experience

671
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Speaker 2: of what the environment is like. Good on you, Jamie, Hi, John, Hello,

672
00:38:01,867 --> 00:38:03,227
Speaker 2: Hello John good Way?

673
00:38:03,667 --> 00:38:04,387
Speaker 6: How are you good?

674
00:38:06,427 --> 00:38:07,907
Speaker 3: You think you're barking up the wrong tree?

675
00:38:07,987 --> 00:38:08,147
Speaker 1: Here?

676
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Speaker 3: One thing I good made them one is Graham Low

677
00:38:12,507 --> 00:38:14,267
Speaker 3: and you obviously know who Graham Low is. I do,

678
00:38:15,787 --> 00:38:19,987
Speaker 3: and here has told me that you can't win a

679
00:38:20,067 --> 00:38:24,307
Speaker 3: football game with bad players or average players. You only

680
00:38:24,387 --> 00:38:27,987
Speaker 3: win football games was excellent players, as the Keys have

681
00:38:28,107 --> 00:38:31,067
Speaker 3: done over the last few years. So I reckon, we're

682
00:38:31,147 --> 00:38:33,747
Speaker 3: barking up the wrong tree with poor old Raisers. There's

683
00:38:33,827 --> 00:38:37,107
Speaker 3: nothing wrong with Razor. And I'm a rugby league guy,

684
00:38:37,147 --> 00:38:41,947
Speaker 3: but I like raiser, I believe, and no one talks about.

685
00:38:42,067 --> 00:38:45,147
Speaker 3: They always blame the coach. And I'll just say one

686
00:38:45,267 --> 00:38:49,387
Speaker 3: thing to you, Piney. The coach does not miss tackles.

687
00:38:49,907 --> 00:38:55,867
Speaker 3: The coach does not mistries. The coach does not miss opportunities.

688
00:38:56,107 --> 00:38:59,667
Speaker 3: The players do. And what we're doing with all black

689
00:38:59,827 --> 00:39:03,147
Speaker 3: rugby at the moment, and we did a rugby league

690
00:39:03,187 --> 00:39:05,547
Speaker 3: until we had the good players we could beat Australia

691
00:39:05,907 --> 00:39:10,707
Speaker 3: were blaming the coach. There is nothing wrong with the coach.

692
00:39:11,227 --> 00:39:13,987
Speaker 3: We do not have the players that we used to

693
00:39:14,227 --> 00:39:18,107
Speaker 3: have many years ago. And the coach has got all

694
00:39:18,187 --> 00:39:22,427
Speaker 3: the cudos for being the best. No, no, no, the players,

695
00:39:22,587 --> 00:39:25,827
Speaker 3: mister tackles. The players do everything on the field. The

696
00:39:25,987 --> 00:39:29,947
Speaker 3: coach does bugger all. The captain rules the game. And

697
00:39:30,107 --> 00:39:34,467
Speaker 3: I believe we don't have the players, Pointy. And once

698
00:39:34,787 --> 00:39:37,907
Speaker 3: we accept that, and we don't think we're gonna win.

699
00:39:37,987 --> 00:39:39,907
Speaker 3: The real coaches are not gonna win the World Cup.

700
00:39:39,947 --> 00:39:41,747
Speaker 3: And I'll put hundreds of dollars on it. We're not

701
00:39:41,827 --> 00:39:44,307
Speaker 3: going to win the World Cup because we don't have

702
00:39:44,507 --> 00:39:45,107
Speaker 3: the players.

703
00:39:45,627 --> 00:39:49,667
Speaker 2: John got to go, But great passion from you regards

704
00:39:49,707 --> 00:39:51,987
Speaker 2: to Graham Lowe, A great man, A great, great man,

705
00:39:53,387 --> 00:39:57,387
Speaker 2: I actually think we do have the players. I honestly

706
00:39:57,507 --> 00:39:59,907
Speaker 2: believe that and actually prepping to chat to the Super

707
00:39:59,987 --> 00:40:03,747
Speaker 2: Rugby coaches today and tomorrow. You look at the squad lists,

708
00:40:04,907 --> 00:40:06,587
Speaker 2: we do have the player.

709
00:40:07,827 --> 00:40:08,147
Speaker 5: We do.

710
00:40:10,667 --> 00:40:12,267
Speaker 2: Seven and a half to one US Talks EB.

711
00:40:13,147 --> 00:40:18,147
Speaker 1: Breaking down the Hail Mary's and the epic fails Weekend

712
00:40:18,227 --> 00:40:21,867
Speaker 1: Sport with Jason yin News Talk ZENB four.

713
00:40:21,747 --> 00:40:23,747
Speaker 2: To one from Steve, it's not the coach or the players,

714
00:40:24,027 --> 00:40:27,587
Speaker 2: it's the Super Rugby competition. Not enough players, countries or

715
00:40:27,627 --> 00:40:30,987
Speaker 2: styles to expose players to the New Zealand players only

716
00:40:30,987 --> 00:40:33,507
Speaker 2: playing against New Zealand players. That's the issue. Any All

717
00:40:33,547 --> 00:40:35,747
Speaker 2: Blacks coach will face the same problem until the Super

718
00:40:35,787 --> 00:40:38,627
Speaker 2: competition is valid for New Zealand, for Australian Force, South

719
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Speaker 2: Africa teams and maybe some Pacific and Japanese Argentinian sides

720
00:40:42,027 --> 00:40:45,907
Speaker 2: as well. That's why the All Blacks were a force exposure. Steve,

721
00:40:45,947 --> 00:40:48,427
Speaker 2: you land on a really good point and it's something

722
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Speaker 2: we're going to examined tomorrow on on Weekend Sport just

723
00:40:52,267 --> 00:40:54,947
Speaker 2: after midday because you will have seen that there are

724
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Speaker 2: new rules, little tweaks coming into Super Rugby twenty twenty six,

725
00:41:00,187 --> 00:41:05,027
Speaker 2: which I think there is a fear around that the

726
00:41:05,107 --> 00:41:07,547
Speaker 2: All Blacks players and the Wallaby to who play these

727
00:41:07,627 --> 00:41:11,067
Speaker 2: rules in super rugby will then be found out to

728
00:41:11,147 --> 00:41:13,987
Speaker 2: a certain degree when they play international rugby and those

729
00:41:14,107 --> 00:41:18,747
Speaker 2: rules don't apply things like the scrum being depowered allegedly.

730
00:41:19,027 --> 00:41:22,107
Speaker 2: Want to talk more about that tomorrow after one o'clock though,

731
00:41:22,227 --> 00:41:25,107
Speaker 2: the man who succeeded Razor at the Crusader's Rob Penny

732
00:41:25,187 --> 00:41:25,747
Speaker 2: leading us off.

733
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Speaker 1: It's the only place to discuss the biggest sports issues

734
00:41:30,267 --> 00:41:33,987
Speaker 1: on and after fields. It's all on WI Jons Forward

735
00:41:34,067 --> 00:41:38,947
Speaker 1: with Jason Vade on your home of sport US Talks

736
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Speaker 1: one o seven.

737
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Speaker 2: Welcome into the show. This is weekend sport on News Talks.

738
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Speaker 2: He be welcome back. Thanks for your calls and correspondence

739
00:41:45,307 --> 00:41:48,147
Speaker 2: on the rugby. Last out from Jannis Jason. Did you

740
00:41:48,187 --> 00:41:51,467
Speaker 2: watch any of the France Island Test yesterday? The French

741
00:41:51,547 --> 00:41:55,387
Speaker 2: forwards were terrifying and so well disciplined, especially in the

742
00:41:55,467 --> 00:41:57,587
Speaker 2: first half. Did the All Blacks really have anyone to

743
00:41:57,707 --> 00:42:01,627
Speaker 2: match them? Thanks Jennis, Well, I hope so. I guess

744
00:42:01,667 --> 00:42:04,907
Speaker 2: we'll find out a little later on this year. They

745
00:42:04,947 --> 00:42:05,787
Speaker 2: did look good, didn't they?

746
00:42:07,147 --> 00:42:07,227
Speaker 5: Well?

747
00:42:07,267 --> 00:42:09,827
Speaker 2: They twenty nine mierl Up. They buttoned off a little bit,

748
00:42:09,827 --> 00:42:12,627
Speaker 2: didn't they. But six Nations is going to be an

749
00:42:12,667 --> 00:42:17,347
Speaker 2: interesting watch again in twenty twenty six, as it always is.

750
00:42:17,467 --> 00:42:21,427
Speaker 2: Winter Olympics underway opening ceremony this morning. A few of

751
00:42:21,467 --> 00:42:23,907
Speaker 2: the sports have already got going. There's ice hockey, as

752
00:42:23,947 --> 00:42:25,707
Speaker 2: I look up at the screen in the ZBE studio

753
00:42:25,787 --> 00:42:29,267
Speaker 2: here going on at the moment. High optimism for our

754
00:42:29,347 --> 00:42:33,347
Speaker 2: best ever Winter Olympics in terms of medals. There's such

755
00:42:33,387 --> 00:42:38,587
Speaker 2: a golden generation of these extremely young skiers and snowboarders.

756
00:42:40,067 --> 00:42:44,027
Speaker 2: And in the snowboard big here we have three Kiwis,

757
00:42:44,227 --> 00:42:47,547
Speaker 2: all three in this event in the final, the twelve

758
00:42:47,707 --> 00:42:52,467
Speaker 2: person final tomorrow morning, Lion Ferrell, Dame Menzie's and rock

759
00:42:52,547 --> 00:42:56,747
Speaker 2: O Jamison all through. So tomorrow morning we'll have the

760
00:42:56,827 --> 00:43:01,387
Speaker 2: first chance to look for medals. Arna Wilcox went to

761
00:43:01,627 --> 00:43:04,147
Speaker 2: the Winter Games in twenty fourteen and Sachi. She is

762
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Speaker 2: currently in Milan, Quotina. As part of the coverage being

763
00:43:08,427 --> 00:43:10,387
Speaker 2: provided by Sky Sports. You're going to join us after

764
00:43:10,387 --> 00:43:13,867
Speaker 2: two o'clock to run an eye over the Winter Olympics

765
00:43:13,947 --> 00:43:17,107
Speaker 2: and our metal prospects, not just tomorrow morning, but across

766
00:43:17,187 --> 00:43:22,307
Speaker 2: the next two weeks this time. Next weekend Super Rugby

767
00:43:22,427 --> 00:43:26,947
Speaker 2: Pacific will be underway. Highlanders Crusaders to kick us off

768
00:43:27,547 --> 00:43:30,347
Speaker 2: Friday night and duneed and across the weekend we're going

769
00:43:30,387 --> 00:43:33,427
Speaker 2: to check in with all six of the New Zealand

770
00:43:33,547 --> 00:43:38,867
Speaker 2: based Super Rugby franchises. That's this weekend, Hurricanes, Chiefs and Highlanders. Tomorrow.

771
00:43:39,147 --> 00:43:42,267
Speaker 2: Hurricanes and Chiefs have just kicked off their final preseason

772
00:43:42,347 --> 00:43:44,587
Speaker 2: game at Jerry Collins Stadium and potty to us so

773
00:43:44,587 --> 00:43:46,307
Speaker 2: it'll be interesting to see how they come through that.

774
00:43:46,627 --> 00:43:49,907
Speaker 2: So Hurricanes, Chiefs, Highlander is tomorrow, the Blues and Mawaita

775
00:43:49,947 --> 00:43:52,907
Speaker 2: pacifica to come this afternoon. But it's only right I

776
00:43:52,987 --> 00:43:55,507
Speaker 2: think to start with the defending champions.

777
00:44:03,067 --> 00:44:08,307
Speaker 12: How the Crusaders have done its dips Arks took plates

778
00:44:09,067 --> 00:44:15,387
Speaker 12: the rock Penny side, the Crusaders returned to Clocker Built

779
00:44:15,427 --> 00:44:19,027
Speaker 12: what the final sixteen points to twelve.

780
00:44:19,387 --> 00:44:21,547
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the final and twenty twenty five with

781
00:44:21,627 --> 00:44:25,227
Speaker 2: the Crusaders beating the Chiefs. As mentioned, the Crusaders play

782
00:44:25,307 --> 00:44:28,307
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty six season opener on Friday night under

783
00:44:28,347 --> 00:44:31,307
Speaker 2: the roof in Dunedin against the Highlanders. Crusaders head coach

784
00:44:31,387 --> 00:44:33,427
Speaker 2: is Rob Penny who joins us now. Rob, thanks for

785
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Speaker 2: taking the time. You come into twenty twenty six as

786
00:44:36,867 --> 00:44:40,627
Speaker 2: defending champions. This time last year, you'd come off a

787
00:44:40,707 --> 00:44:43,547
Speaker 2: season where you missed the playoffs all together in your

788
00:44:43,627 --> 00:44:47,107
Speaker 2: first year as Crusader's head coach. So how different do

789
00:44:47,147 --> 00:44:49,987
Speaker 2: you feel now compared to the way you felt a

790
00:44:50,107 --> 00:44:50,507
Speaker 2: year ago?

791
00:44:52,787 --> 00:44:54,947
Speaker 13: No, not too different at all. Really, the reality is

792
00:44:55,067 --> 00:44:59,787
Speaker 13: start again, got new group, you know, we've got you know,

793
00:45:00,347 --> 00:45:03,707
Speaker 13: we've built some things through the last twenty four months

794
00:45:03,827 --> 00:45:06,507
Speaker 13: and you know, just looking to evolve those into a

795
00:45:06,547 --> 00:45:10,267
Speaker 13: pretty special again with all all things going away, but

796
00:45:11,427 --> 00:45:13,667
Speaker 13: looking forward to Friday night, get one one step at

797
00:45:13,667 --> 00:45:13,947
Speaker 13: a time.

798
00:45:14,267 --> 00:45:16,907
Speaker 2: How you placed Zoo to have a crack on, as

799
00:45:16,987 --> 00:45:19,307
Speaker 2: you say, one game at a time. But the overall picture,

800
00:45:19,307 --> 00:45:20,987
Speaker 2: how do you feel your place going into the season

801
00:45:21,107 --> 00:45:22,867
Speaker 2: to have a crack at going back to back?

802
00:45:25,787 --> 00:45:28,547
Speaker 13: Well, the reality is, as I said before, we start again,

803
00:45:28,747 --> 00:45:31,387
Speaker 13: and we've got a new group. The groups just trying

804
00:45:31,427 --> 00:45:35,467
Speaker 13: to win this one, not necessarily focusing on anything else. Look,

805
00:45:35,547 --> 00:45:37,547
Speaker 13: if you look through our roster, we've got a very

806
00:45:37,587 --> 00:45:41,627
Speaker 13: strong group, such an exciting group, mixed of some really

807
00:45:42,187 --> 00:45:47,027
Speaker 13: experience and and some youthful exuberance and it's a lovely blend.

808
00:45:47,107 --> 00:45:50,587
Speaker 13: And you know, the group's really molded well over the

809
00:45:50,667 --> 00:45:57,387
Speaker 13: last two months. You'll blecks are hungry. The senior boys

810
00:45:57,787 --> 00:46:00,067
Speaker 13: are desperate to do well, and the young ones that

811
00:46:00,107 --> 00:46:03,147
Speaker 13: were just trying to support them and replicate in behind

812
00:46:03,187 --> 00:46:05,947
Speaker 13: the scenes and they're thinking an opportunity, I'll be hungry.

813
00:46:06,067 --> 00:46:10,867
Speaker 13: So it's all you know, I guess from our perspective

814
00:46:10,867 --> 00:46:14,347
Speaker 13: as a coach management group, we've we've we feel as

815
00:46:14,387 --> 00:46:15,307
Speaker 13: they were in a good place.

816
00:46:15,427 --> 00:46:16,907
Speaker 5: And yeah, we'll sit.

817
00:46:17,067 --> 00:46:18,907
Speaker 13: It'll all come to fruis and on Friday night to

818
00:46:18,947 --> 00:46:21,187
Speaker 13: see exactly where we are, and the contest will be

819
00:46:21,227 --> 00:46:22,147
Speaker 13: a brutal one, I'm sure.

820
00:46:22,307 --> 00:46:24,427
Speaker 2: Indeed, indeed, as always I can I ask you about

821
00:46:24,427 --> 00:46:28,187
Speaker 2: a couple of positions, Rob first five, James O'Connor no

822
00:46:28,267 --> 00:46:32,227
Speaker 2: longer with you, Kimrada Rivers, Rayhanna and a new player

823
00:46:32,347 --> 00:46:35,467
Speaker 2: James White. What's your thinking around how are you gonna

824
00:46:35,827 --> 00:46:37,427
Speaker 2: how are you going to mention your first fives this year?

825
00:46:38,867 --> 00:46:38,987
Speaker 6: Oh?

826
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Speaker 13: Look, they'll get opportunity. You know, someone will always, I

827
00:46:44,227 --> 00:46:46,507
Speaker 13: guess over the period will put their hand and hand

828
00:46:46,627 --> 00:46:48,547
Speaker 13: up and just get their nose in front. But we're

829
00:46:48,947 --> 00:46:52,427
Speaker 13: so excited and fortunate to have the depth of talent.

830
00:46:52,267 --> 00:46:52,827
Speaker 5: We've got there.

831
00:46:54,547 --> 00:46:57,147
Speaker 13: You know, Rivers really came of age towards the back

832
00:46:57,267 --> 00:46:59,627
Speaker 13: end of last year, leading us to the to the

833
00:46:59,707 --> 00:47:02,107
Speaker 13: Championship and then going alow to the New Zealand fifteen

834
00:47:02,147 --> 00:47:07,187
Speaker 13: and guiding that group. Taha was exemple early on until

835
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Speaker 13: his injury which saw them out for the rest of

836
00:47:09,587 --> 00:47:11,267
Speaker 13: the campaign. But the two of them are going to

837
00:47:11,307 --> 00:47:16,267
Speaker 13: be Hammer and Tongs. They've got a great relationship. And

838
00:47:17,067 --> 00:47:19,947
Speaker 13: James White someone who we're excited about, got a lot

839
00:47:19,987 --> 00:47:22,027
Speaker 13: of talent and you know we're just going to keep

840
00:47:22,067 --> 00:47:25,147
Speaker 13: them solid and just keep them growing and they'll undoubtedly

841
00:47:25,267 --> 00:47:29,267
Speaker 13: be times that he'll be needed as well. So it's

842
00:47:29,347 --> 00:47:33,067
Speaker 13: a but look at we're blessed with the talent and

843
00:47:33,907 --> 00:47:36,187
Speaker 13: you know we've just got to maximize them as a

844
00:47:36,227 --> 00:47:38,827
Speaker 13: coaching group to ensure that we can do all things.

845
00:47:39,107 --> 00:47:41,707
Speaker 2: And you got the same the same depth of talents

846
00:47:42,027 --> 00:47:44,347
Speaker 2: one in at halfback, No, I hope the Carl Preston,

847
00:47:44,387 --> 00:47:48,707
Speaker 2: both all blacks, Louis Chapman terrific young number nine. Is

848
00:47:48,747 --> 00:47:51,067
Speaker 2: it the same again, Rob, They'll all get their opportunity

849
00:47:51,107 --> 00:47:53,227
Speaker 2: at some stage and have to work together for the

850
00:47:53,707 --> 00:47:56,187
Speaker 2: betiment of the team during each match week.

851
00:47:57,107 --> 00:48:01,227
Speaker 13: Yeah, it's a pretty simple philosophy as far as that goes. Yeah, absolutely,

852
00:48:01,267 --> 00:48:06,907
Speaker 13: It'll be almost a little bit harsey for Core early on.

853
00:48:07,187 --> 00:48:11,867
Speaker 13: But you know, Louis Chapman probably the form nine of

854
00:48:11,987 --> 00:48:16,307
Speaker 13: the MPC. The other boys away on international duty or injured,

855
00:48:17,867 --> 00:48:20,467
Speaker 13: so and we've got match Strummond and our our wider

856
00:48:20,587 --> 00:48:26,347
Speaker 13: who's vastly experienced. So yeah, you would expect Narah and

857
00:48:27,347 --> 00:48:30,507
Speaker 13: Kyle to be fighting it out initially and then Louie's

858
00:48:30,827 --> 00:48:34,307
Speaker 13: opportunity will come, no doubt. And yeah, we'll see where

859
00:48:34,347 --> 00:48:36,987
Speaker 13: the cards lie at that as there's the season on folds.

860
00:48:37,027 --> 00:48:39,507
Speaker 13: But it's another very competitive position.

861
00:48:39,947 --> 00:48:42,987
Speaker 2: You've got Leicester fighting on Nuku back after a stint

862
00:48:43,027 --> 00:48:46,387
Speaker 2: with too long. Where are we most likely to see

863
00:48:46,467 --> 00:48:48,907
Speaker 2: him play in terms of position.

864
00:48:50,267 --> 00:48:52,547
Speaker 14: You're probably on the edge or in the midle somewhere.

865
00:48:53,587 --> 00:48:59,507
Speaker 14: That's a very Broad's so capable, he's so open minded.

866
00:49:01,267 --> 00:49:03,227
Speaker 14: You know, he had ten minutes a number eight yesterday.

867
00:49:04,547 --> 00:49:07,787
Speaker 14: He's a very talent, energetic.

868
00:49:07,667 --> 00:49:10,707
Speaker 13: Guy with a great rugby brain and someone that wants

869
00:49:10,787 --> 00:49:14,507
Speaker 13: to challenge the boundaries of norm of the norm I guess,

870
00:49:15,787 --> 00:49:22,147
Speaker 13: but for us in the early stages until we see

871
00:49:22,187 --> 00:49:24,067
Speaker 13: him bettered and like he's been away for a couple

872
00:49:24,107 --> 00:49:27,467
Speaker 13: of years and I straight to him back. His enthusiasm

873
00:49:27,547 --> 00:49:32,667
Speaker 13: and energy and his ability is well known, but he'll

874
00:49:32,747 --> 00:49:37,667
Speaker 13: probably be around the the edge of the midfield initially.

875
00:49:37,747 --> 00:49:41,027
Speaker 2: Anyway, Scott Barrett's taking an extended break at the start

876
00:49:41,067 --> 00:49:44,187
Speaker 2: of the season. When are you expecting to have him back?

877
00:49:45,707 --> 00:49:50,627
Speaker 13: He's talked about around ten to eleven, so you know,

878
00:49:50,747 --> 00:49:55,227
Speaker 13: the back end of our second bye, I guess. And

879
00:49:56,627 --> 00:49:59,147
Speaker 13: you know, it's great to see him about. He's been

880
00:49:59,187 --> 00:50:02,547
Speaker 13: in and about in a really informal ways. He's taken

881
00:50:02,587 --> 00:50:05,587
Speaker 13: the opportunity as he should do to clear his head

882
00:50:05,667 --> 00:50:07,507
Speaker 13: and get his body right and he seems to be,

883
00:50:08,907 --> 00:50:10,987
Speaker 13: you know, excited about being in the gym and starting

884
00:50:11,027 --> 00:50:17,267
Speaker 13: that process again. And but you know, our focus at

885
00:50:17,307 --> 00:50:20,347
Speaker 13: the moment is on the on the young men that

886
00:50:20,387 --> 00:50:24,787
Speaker 13: are competing to to do the job for us, and

887
00:50:26,107 --> 00:50:28,827
Speaker 13: you know, we've got obviously scooped back at some point

888
00:50:28,907 --> 00:50:31,827
Speaker 13: in the season. We hope that the leads, and we

889
00:50:31,947 --> 00:50:33,627
Speaker 13: know the leads that are going to take the opportunity

890
00:50:33,627 --> 00:50:36,027
Speaker 13: will make it really, really difficult for Scoot just to

891
00:50:36,107 --> 00:50:36,507
Speaker 13: walk back.

892
00:50:36,587 --> 00:50:39,507
Speaker 2: And Cardie Tyler took a similar sabbatical, didn't he in

893
00:50:39,547 --> 00:50:41,827
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four and it was I remember quite keenly

894
00:50:41,907 --> 00:50:44,987
Speaker 2: felt as your injuries piled up. Is there any concern

895
00:50:45,067 --> 00:50:46,707
Speaker 2: that you that you're miss Scott's influence?

896
00:50:47,707 --> 00:50:49,267
Speaker 5: Oh, no doubt, no doubt.

897
00:50:49,307 --> 00:50:52,787
Speaker 13: And that's the challenge for us, is you know, Scoot's

898
00:50:52,827 --> 00:50:56,707
Speaker 13: a very influential part of our part of our group

899
00:50:56,827 --> 00:51:01,107
Speaker 13: as leadership. His maturity and the way he leads by

900
00:51:01,187 --> 00:51:05,547
Speaker 13: example in every area is is world class.

901
00:51:05,947 --> 00:51:08,627
Speaker 6: And he's been.

902
00:51:08,547 --> 00:51:10,787
Speaker 13: Around enough of the lads for them to pick up

903
00:51:11,347 --> 00:51:13,347
Speaker 13: the bits that they need to pick up on and

904
00:51:14,267 --> 00:51:22,507
Speaker 13: now's their opportunity, which is really exciting. And but Scoot,

905
00:51:22,867 --> 00:51:25,147
Speaker 13: Scoot's presence won't be far from the group. I've got

906
00:51:25,307 --> 00:51:29,427
Speaker 13: no doubt, you know, he'll be in communication with us

907
00:51:29,467 --> 00:51:33,387
Speaker 13: as coaches and also a guiding light over the leadership

908
00:51:33,467 --> 00:51:35,027
Speaker 13: group until his return.

909
00:51:35,947 --> 00:51:38,347
Speaker 2: And Siva Reese is going to be departing at the

910
00:51:38,427 --> 00:51:41,267
Speaker 2: end of the season. He signed with Pepignon and France

911
00:51:41,667 --> 00:51:45,147
Speaker 2: how Caine, and there's probably a somelely question knowing Severn

912
00:51:46,027 --> 00:51:48,307
Speaker 2: to leave the Crusaders club on a high.

913
00:51:48,867 --> 00:51:49,227
Speaker 5: Well, what.

914
00:51:50,827 --> 00:51:53,107
Speaker 13: You lord, you'll know, you know, Braden and Warner and

915
00:51:53,187 --> 00:51:57,947
Speaker 13: Dallas McLeod also exiting at the end of this campaign.

916
00:51:58,267 --> 00:52:02,667
Speaker 13: Sevu and the boys uh had, as I said before,

917
00:52:02,787 --> 00:52:05,227
Speaker 13: brought lots of energy that that that I guess that

918
00:52:06,987 --> 00:52:09,987
Speaker 13: going forward, the likelihood of them being all Blexes is

919
00:52:10,107 --> 00:52:12,667
Speaker 13: probably reduced owut of that they've made known that they're leaving.

920
00:52:12,747 --> 00:52:17,587
Speaker 13: But that group of men that are have had lead,

921
00:52:17,667 --> 00:52:21,867
Speaker 13: all black experience and a wonderful leaders within our environment

922
00:52:21,947 --> 00:52:27,547
Speaker 13: are just really phizzing to get this one under the underway.

923
00:52:27,707 --> 00:52:31,107
Speaker 13: And as I said before, you know, they were buddy

924
00:52:31,147 --> 00:52:34,067
Speaker 13: hard and it's just a privilege to watch them in action,

925
00:52:34,227 --> 00:52:36,747
Speaker 13: and their commitment to the Red and Vack Jersy and

926
00:52:36,787 --> 00:52:40,547
Speaker 13: the Crusader's brand is just without here. And you know,

927
00:52:40,707 --> 00:52:44,147
Speaker 13: look hopefully, you know, as the season unfolds, we can

928
00:52:44,187 --> 00:52:46,147
Speaker 13: see them produce some of their best body and they

929
00:52:46,187 --> 00:52:48,267
Speaker 13: can go out in a way and which truly reflects

930
00:52:48,307 --> 00:52:49,187
Speaker 13: their equipment to us.

931
00:52:50,067 --> 00:52:51,787
Speaker 2: You took a bit of time after last season to

932
00:52:51,867 --> 00:52:54,907
Speaker 2: recommit to this this year as head coach. Was there

933
00:52:54,987 --> 00:52:57,027
Speaker 2: ever a time you thought you might not come back?

934
00:53:03,507 --> 00:53:05,467
Speaker 13: Well, I took time because I just wanted to make

935
00:53:05,507 --> 00:53:07,827
Speaker 13: sure that it was the right thing to do for everybody.

936
00:53:09,267 --> 00:53:13,147
Speaker 13: For me personally, I love the place and I'm deeply

937
00:53:13,227 --> 00:53:15,307
Speaker 13: invested in it, always have been. You know, it's my

938
00:53:15,747 --> 00:53:20,107
Speaker 13: it's my home, and I just needed to ensure that

939
00:53:20,227 --> 00:53:25,267
Speaker 13: it was, you know, the right thing. I've always said,

940
00:53:25,267 --> 00:53:27,867
Speaker 13: if it's not the right thing, then you know, I'll

941
00:53:27,947 --> 00:53:31,587
Speaker 13: move and move aside, and I just wanted to ensure

942
00:53:31,627 --> 00:53:34,147
Speaker 13: that was the case. I think personally, you know, I

943
00:53:34,307 --> 00:53:36,987
Speaker 13: hoped it would be an opportunity to do another year

944
00:53:37,347 --> 00:53:41,267
Speaker 13: with this great group of young men and the wonderful

945
00:53:41,347 --> 00:53:43,907
Speaker 13: coaching and management group that I've got. It's it's a

946
00:53:43,947 --> 00:53:46,067
Speaker 13: real privilege and honor to turn up every day and

947
00:53:47,987 --> 00:53:52,307
Speaker 13: fortunate to be given another year. So I guess that's

948
00:53:52,307 --> 00:53:55,627
Speaker 13: a long winded answer, sorry Piney, but that that's probably

949
00:53:55,867 --> 00:54:00,387
Speaker 13: where it sat and ended up being another another opportunity

950
00:54:00,427 --> 00:54:00,947
Speaker 13: to do it again.

951
00:54:01,147 --> 00:54:03,227
Speaker 2: It's a great answer. How's your new stadium looking?

952
00:54:04,067 --> 00:54:12,027
Speaker 13: Oh? I haven't got enough expleted or enough enough, can't

953
00:54:12,067 --> 00:54:15,547
Speaker 13: think of the right word enough camp, Yeah, just to

954
00:54:15,707 --> 00:54:20,107
Speaker 13: express how wonderful it looks. It's just incredible. Mate. We

955
00:54:20,227 --> 00:54:22,507
Speaker 13: haven't had an opportunity to get in it yet because

956
00:54:22,547 --> 00:54:26,147
Speaker 13: the handover hasn't quite happened when I say that, we've

957
00:54:26,187 --> 00:54:27,387
Speaker 13: been in it in hard hats and.

958
00:54:27,907 --> 00:54:28,747
Speaker 5: High visas, but.

959
00:54:30,467 --> 00:54:33,387
Speaker 13: We're really excited about getting on the grass and getting.

960
00:54:33,107 --> 00:54:33,707
Speaker 5: A feel for it.

961
00:54:33,867 --> 00:54:36,867
Speaker 13: But it's special, no doubt about that. The way in

962
00:54:36,907 --> 00:54:40,587
Speaker 13: which it's it's sort of been wrapped around by the

963
00:54:40,667 --> 00:54:44,987
Speaker 13: city and you know, all paths lead to Takaha and

964
00:54:45,667 --> 00:54:47,547
Speaker 13: when we're in there for the first time I think

965
00:54:47,667 --> 00:54:52,027
Speaker 13: twenty third of April Super Rugby weekend, it will be

966
00:54:52,107 --> 00:54:54,627
Speaker 13: a very special time for the city and onwards and

967
00:54:54,707 --> 00:54:55,347
Speaker 13: upwards from there.

968
00:54:55,507 --> 00:54:58,427
Speaker 2: Indeed, can't wait to be there for Super roundom over

969
00:54:58,587 --> 00:55:00,507
Speaker 2: End Zach weekend. Great to chat, Rob, thanks for taking

970
00:55:00,547 --> 00:55:02,707
Speaker 2: the time. Look forward to catching up again across the season.

971
00:55:03,587 --> 00:55:04,667
Speaker 13: Yeah, pleasure, no problem.

972
00:55:04,747 --> 00:55:06,947
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Rob, Rob Penny. They're kicking us

973
00:55:06,987 --> 00:55:10,347
Speaker 2: off our whip around the Super Rugby franchises, the New

974
00:55:10,427 --> 00:55:16,147
Speaker 2: Zealand based ones over this long weekend and it'll surprise

975
00:55:16,347 --> 00:55:19,867
Speaker 2: no one, I'm sure to find out that the Crusaders

976
00:55:19,907 --> 00:55:22,667
Speaker 2: are again among the favorites as far as the tab

977
00:55:22,707 --> 00:55:26,867
Speaker 2: are concerned, not the favorite, the Chiefs have favoritism, even

978
00:55:26,907 --> 00:55:28,787
Speaker 2: though how many finals have they lost now is at three?

979
00:55:28,907 --> 00:55:32,347
Speaker 2: The last three they haven't been able to get across

980
00:55:32,387 --> 00:55:35,387
Speaker 2: the line. Maybe this is their year. John o'gibbs is

981
00:55:35,387 --> 00:55:38,867
Speaker 2: their coach this year. Clayton McMillan, of course, now coaching

982
00:55:38,947 --> 00:55:41,107
Speaker 2: up in Ireland. John ogibbs is their head coach. We'll

983
00:55:41,147 --> 00:55:44,467
Speaker 2: have a chat to him tomorrow. The Crusaders, so yeah,

984
00:55:44,467 --> 00:55:47,987
Speaker 2: as I say, they open their campaign with the very

985
00:55:48,067 --> 00:55:51,667
Speaker 2: first game of Super Rugby Pacific twenty twenty six Friday

986
00:55:51,747 --> 00:55:55,747
Speaker 2: night against the Highlanders down in Dunedin. Even though the

987
00:55:55,827 --> 00:55:59,067
Speaker 2: Highlanders were dead last last year. Whenever the Crusaders come

988
00:55:59,107 --> 00:56:02,427
Speaker 2: to town they can always be assured of a passionate

989
00:56:02,547 --> 00:56:06,507
Speaker 2: reception from those in the zoo at Forsythar. Actually, I

990
00:56:06,547 --> 00:56:10,627
Speaker 2: think Jack Measley, the chief executive of Super Rugby Pacific,

991
00:56:10,747 --> 00:56:13,547
Speaker 2: is going to be in the zoo on Friday night.

992
00:56:13,987 --> 00:56:16,507
Speaker 2: I heard a whisper that he was going to He'll

993
00:56:16,547 --> 00:56:18,547
Speaker 2: have to change his clothes. He can't get in there

994
00:56:18,587 --> 00:56:21,987
Speaker 2: in a suit, Kenny. He'll have to dress up like

995
00:56:22,067 --> 00:56:27,867
Speaker 2: a scarfee to blend in anyway. Highlanders Crusaders to start

996
00:56:27,907 --> 00:56:32,307
Speaker 2: the Crusaders season on Friday. Then the following Sunday they

997
00:56:32,507 --> 00:56:35,867
Speaker 2: welcome the Brumbies to They're going back to their old

998
00:56:36,187 --> 00:56:39,307
Speaker 2: their old digs. The new stadium not ready until Anzac weekend,

999
00:56:39,467 --> 00:56:42,387
Speaker 2: so they'll be back to Apollo Project. We thought we'd

1000
00:56:42,427 --> 00:56:46,507
Speaker 2: said goodbye to that place when when we had the

1001
00:56:46,627 --> 00:56:50,107
Speaker 2: final there last year, but then it became apparent that

1002
00:56:50,187 --> 00:56:53,787
Speaker 2: they would still need that ground for the first few rounds.

1003
00:56:54,147 --> 00:56:57,347
Speaker 2: So it's the Brumbies and then the following Saturday it's

1004
00:56:57,507 --> 00:57:01,267
Speaker 2: away to the Chiefs. So once that goes Highlanders away,

1005
00:57:01,907 --> 00:57:06,467
Speaker 2: Brumbies at home, Chiefs away, and then Blues away. A

1006
00:57:06,507 --> 00:57:11,067
Speaker 2: pretty tough start, pretty tough start for the Crusaders. I'll

1007
00:57:11,067 --> 00:57:12,387
Speaker 2: probably still win it, though, will they?

1008
00:57:12,507 --> 00:57:13,987
Speaker 3: Mark here too?

1009
00:57:14,107 --> 00:57:16,387
Speaker 6: Are just going to just leave the trophy here in

1010
00:57:16,547 --> 00:57:18,747
Speaker 6: the union here?

1011
00:57:19,227 --> 00:57:19,347
Speaker 4: Right?

1012
00:57:21,027 --> 00:57:21,187
Speaker 6: Hey?

1013
00:57:21,307 --> 00:57:25,027
Speaker 2: How you look mate? You Diet in the wall, fan

1014
00:57:25,147 --> 00:57:28,067
Speaker 2: of all things Canterbury Sport, and I know you've been

1015
00:57:28,107 --> 00:57:30,827
Speaker 2: a Crusaders fan from the very start. How much are

1016
00:57:30,867 --> 00:57:33,427
Speaker 2: you looking forward to seeing your team play in this

1017
00:57:33,547 --> 00:57:34,187
Speaker 2: new stadium.

1018
00:57:34,627 --> 00:57:35,387
Speaker 11: I'm looking forward.

1019
00:57:35,387 --> 00:57:38,427
Speaker 3: I've got my season tickets, so I'm not just looking forward.

1020
00:57:38,507 --> 00:57:41,547
Speaker 3: I can't wait. Just Christmas or any is it?

1021
00:57:42,267 --> 00:57:42,507
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1022
00:57:42,707 --> 00:57:45,627
Speaker 2: Christmas? Christmas in April? Mark, Well, we're bringing the shows

1023
00:57:45,707 --> 00:57:49,307
Speaker 2: down over Anzac weekend. We're bringing both weekend sports shows

1024
00:57:49,707 --> 00:57:51,987
Speaker 2: to christ Jurs that weekend. So as soon as we

1025
00:57:52,067 --> 00:57:53,587
Speaker 2: know where we are, mate, you'll need to come along

1026
00:57:53,627 --> 00:57:54,427
Speaker 2: and say today.

1027
00:57:54,627 --> 00:57:57,267
Speaker 3: Oh well, they might give you a Crusader juesy for

1028
00:57:57,387 --> 00:57:57,867
Speaker 3: that weekend.

1029
00:57:57,987 --> 00:57:59,867
Speaker 2: They might, Mark, they might. I'm not sure what I'd

1030
00:57:59,867 --> 00:58:01,187
Speaker 2: do with it. I wouldn't be able to wear it.

1031
00:58:01,827 --> 00:58:04,987
Speaker 2: I'd have to wear my Hurricanes jersey, although wearing that

1032
00:58:05,067 --> 00:58:07,427
Speaker 2: in christ years might be the same. First thing, Mark

1033
00:58:07,427 --> 00:58:09,827
Speaker 2: always good to chat to you, mate. We'll no doubt

1034
00:58:09,907 --> 00:58:12,147
Speaker 2: talk a lot more across the Super Rugby season. Rob

1035
00:58:12,227 --> 00:58:15,627
Speaker 2: Penny just on Rob Penny, you remember, I mean he

1036
00:58:15,867 --> 00:58:18,787
Speaker 2: was much maligned, wasn't he after that first season when

1037
00:58:18,827 --> 00:58:21,107
Speaker 2: he took over from raiser Paul Bugger, you know, take

1038
00:58:21,107 --> 00:58:22,707
Speaker 2: over from a guy who's won seven in a row,

1039
00:58:23,507 --> 00:58:27,507
Speaker 2: then got just that that year. They just got so

1040
00:58:27,747 --> 00:58:31,667
Speaker 2: unlucky with their injuries with big players. Will Jordan didn't

1041
00:58:31,707 --> 00:58:34,947
Speaker 2: play at all, did he in twenty twenty four, and

1042
00:58:35,467 --> 00:58:37,867
Speaker 2: others wore out. Cody Taylor was mentioned there, didn't come

1043
00:58:37,907 --> 00:58:40,227
Speaker 2: back until but later on. I just remember them having

1044
00:58:40,267 --> 00:58:44,867
Speaker 2: all sorts of all sorts of issues and they just

1045
00:58:44,907 --> 00:58:46,587
Speaker 2: couldn't want a trick, could they? And they actually the

1046
00:58:46,667 --> 00:58:48,907
Speaker 2: games they lost, they weren't losing by heaps. They were

1047
00:58:49,027 --> 00:58:51,427
Speaker 2: in and around, but they just didn't make it. And

1048
00:58:51,547 --> 00:58:54,627
Speaker 2: so for a franchise that had such a proud history

1049
00:58:54,667 --> 00:58:59,107
Speaker 2: of success under under Scott Robertson, the knives were out

1050
00:59:00,147 --> 00:59:06,267
Speaker 2: for Rob Penny. Now, Colin Mansbridge, thankfully for Crusaders fans,

1051
00:59:07,547 --> 00:59:10,587
Speaker 2: has a very cool head on his shoulders. And I

1052
00:59:10,667 --> 00:59:13,027
Speaker 2: remember talking to Colin Mansbridge about this. He said, we're

1053
00:59:13,027 --> 00:59:16,987
Speaker 2: not going to panic. We're not gonna make a rash decision.

1054
00:59:17,867 --> 00:59:20,707
Speaker 2: We're gonna have a review and then we're going to

1055
00:59:20,787 --> 00:59:24,707
Speaker 2: decide what the best way forward is. And the best

1056
00:59:24,747 --> 00:59:27,507
Speaker 2: way forward was to retain Rob Penny. And that worked

1057
00:59:27,547 --> 00:59:31,707
Speaker 2: out absolutely brilliantly, didn't it. It was exactly the right call.

1058
00:59:33,067 --> 00:59:35,947
Speaker 2: I just love listening to him as well. Text here.

1059
00:59:35,987 --> 00:59:39,547
Speaker 2: How refreshing to hear a coach with such humility good

1060
00:59:39,627 --> 00:59:41,867
Speaker 2: luck for the season. That's the thing with Rob Penny,

1061
00:59:43,387 --> 00:59:45,267
Speaker 2: he said there. Look, if it wasn't the right thing

1062
00:59:45,307 --> 00:59:46,787
Speaker 2: for the team for me to stay, then I wouldn't

1063
00:59:46,787 --> 00:59:49,507
Speaker 2: have stayed. It's got nothing to do with what I want.

1064
00:59:50,587 --> 00:59:54,387
Speaker 2: It's what is right for the team. Hello Sherwood.

1065
00:59:55,547 --> 00:59:59,267
Speaker 15: Yes, I'd like you to try to clarify something for me, please. Yep,

1066
00:59:59,587 --> 01:00:02,747
Speaker 15: with the new stadium in christ Church, are they still

1067
01:00:02,827 --> 01:00:04,747
Speaker 15: going to be able to put the horses into the

1068
01:00:04,827 --> 01:00:07,587
Speaker 15: stadium to go around before game? I don't know the

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Speaker 15: answer to that.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't either, Sherwood, although I think I did

1071
01:00:11,107 --> 01:00:14,067
Speaker 2: ask a lot of being Colin Mansbridge. Actually someone will

1072
01:00:14,107 --> 01:00:16,467
Speaker 2: know shere what we'll do. I'll get my team of

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01:00:16,587 --> 01:00:19,787
Speaker 2: researchers onto it for you. In other words, Andy, who

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01:00:19,827 --> 01:00:22,507
Speaker 2: you just spoke to when you rung up, Look, I

1075
01:00:22,627 --> 01:00:25,627
Speaker 2: would imagine, yes, if they can get them around Apollo Projects,

1076
01:00:26,107 --> 01:00:27,867
Speaker 2: you'd have to imagine they could get them inside this

1077
01:00:27,987 --> 01:00:28,427
Speaker 2: new place.

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Speaker 15: Yeah. But the point is they're right in the middle

1079
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Speaker 15: of the city, and there's all sorts of locations that

1080
01:00:34,307 --> 01:00:39,027
Speaker 15: are okay down in Eddington. Yes, yes, what about them

1081
01:00:39,147 --> 01:00:40,307
Speaker 15: in the middle of the city.

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Speaker 2: Sherwood, it's a great question. We will find out the

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01:00:42,827 --> 01:00:45,907
Speaker 2: answer for you. We will find out whether the the

1084
01:00:46,387 --> 01:00:51,187
Speaker 2: Crusaders horses will be a feature at the new stadium

1085
01:00:51,227 --> 01:00:54,507
Speaker 2: at te Kaha. We'll find out, Sherwood. I mean a

1086
01:00:54,587 --> 01:00:56,427
Speaker 2: lot of We've got a lot of a lot of

1087
01:00:56,507 --> 01:00:59,827
Speaker 2: listeners from the Crusaders area. A lot of listeners from

1088
01:00:59,827 --> 01:01:02,627
Speaker 2: the Crusaders organization. Maybe one of them can let us know.

1089
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Speaker 2: Just flick as the text nineteen nine two shere weo'red

1090
01:01:05,267 --> 01:01:07,107
Speaker 2: good to chat in. We'll take a come back and

1091
01:01:07,187 --> 01:01:09,907
Speaker 2: head to Blues Country. How are they looking the Blues

1092
01:01:10,067 --> 01:01:14,307
Speaker 2: ahead of twenty twenty six? Their assistant coach is Jason o'haleran.

1093
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Speaker 2: He's online. He'll chat to us right after this.

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Speaker 1: You be the TMO. Have your say on eight hundred

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Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty Weekend Sport with Jason Pin and GJ. Guvnerholmes,

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Speaker 1: New Zealand's most trusted home builder News Dogs they'd be.

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Speaker 2: One point thirty one Weekend Sport. The Hurricanes and the

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Speaker 2: Chiefs currently doing battle Jerry Collins Stadium in Potidoa in

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Speaker 2: their final pre season hit out. The Chiefs lead five

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Speaker 2: nil after twenty five minutes in that game, So just

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Speaker 2: the one try to at Tenny Nanni Satuto so fast

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Speaker 2: to the Chiefs leading five nil. Not that the score

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01:01:47,827 --> 01:01:50,107
Speaker 2: really matters, does it. You just want to get through

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Speaker 2: without injury. Speaking of which, do you have any information?

1105
01:01:53,947 --> 01:01:58,387
Speaker 2: Asks Terrance about Fabi and Holland's shoulder injury, yesterday, Terrence.

1106
01:01:58,427 --> 01:02:01,667
Speaker 2: I don't, but we will be chatting with a member

1107
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Speaker 2: of the Highlanders coaching staff tomorrow and that will be

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Speaker 2: absolutely one of the questions that I ask. How is

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01:02:06,947 --> 01:02:09,427
Speaker 2: Fabian Holland? He kind of well, it didn't look good.

1110
01:02:09,827 --> 01:02:12,267
Speaker 2: It was quite ginger as he came off in their

1111
01:02:12,307 --> 01:02:16,067
Speaker 2: final preseason hit out against who's it against? Moreiner Pacifica.

1112
01:02:16,107 --> 01:02:20,987
Speaker 2: Did they play yesterday? Yeah, it was yeah, more under Pacifica.

1113
01:02:21,267 --> 01:02:24,387
Speaker 2: Fabian Holland leaving the field jeepers. I don't want to

1114
01:02:24,747 --> 01:02:28,187
Speaker 2: lose him for an extended period or without Dylan Pledger,

1115
01:02:28,227 --> 01:02:30,867
Speaker 2: which is such a shame and every I'm looking forward

1116
01:02:30,907 --> 01:02:33,547
Speaker 2: to seeing how head go. But y Fabian Holland will

1117
01:02:33,547 --> 01:02:37,587
Speaker 2: certainly ask the question tomorrow. Yes, the Crusaders horses are

1118
01:02:37,627 --> 01:02:40,307
Speaker 2: all go again this year, says this text. I can

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Speaker 2: only assume that's correct. It's not from an official source.

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Speaker 2: I don't think. I don't recognize the phone number and

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01:02:44,907 --> 01:02:48,067
Speaker 2: he's going through the official lines of inquiry to find

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01:02:48,107 --> 01:02:50,547
Speaker 2: out for you. But that's one text that seems to

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Speaker 2: be in the positive. Let's get you inside the Blues

1124
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Speaker 2: Camp champions in twenty twenty four to sixth last season

1125
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Speaker 2: in the regular season, so just sneaking into the playoff spots.

1126
01:03:01,027 --> 01:03:03,587
Speaker 2: But they won their quarter final against the Chiefs. All

1127
01:03:03,747 --> 01:03:07,107
Speaker 2: that victory and it's all live in. The Blues have

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Speaker 2: one twenty points to nineteen.

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Speaker 1: We said it's going to be a one point game

1130
01:03:13,787 --> 01:03:15,387
Speaker 1: and it was a one point game.

1131
01:03:15,627 --> 01:03:15,827
Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The Blues went on to lose to the Crusaders in

1133
01:03:17,947 --> 01:03:20,667
Speaker 2: the semi finals the following week. Their first game is

1134
01:03:20,747 --> 01:03:23,507
Speaker 2: against the Chiefs this coming Saturday or a week tonight

1135
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Speaker 2: at Eden Park. Blues assistant coach is Jason o'heller and

1136
01:03:27,387 --> 01:03:29,147
Speaker 2: he's with us now. Thanks for your time. Jay's good

1137
01:03:29,187 --> 01:03:31,947
Speaker 2: to chat. You beat the Crusaders yesterday in your final

1138
01:03:32,507 --> 01:03:35,307
Speaker 2: warm up match out at Ony what Domain. How did

1139
01:03:35,387 --> 01:03:37,347
Speaker 2: everybody come through, mate, And how are you feeling seven

1140
01:03:37,427 --> 01:03:38,667
Speaker 2: days out from your first game.

1141
01:03:39,987 --> 01:03:43,507
Speaker 16: Yeah, a few bumps, some bruises here, Josh for tur

1142
01:03:43,587 --> 01:03:46,467
Speaker 16: in particular, talker cork just above, just on the top

1143
01:03:46,467 --> 01:03:49,067
Speaker 16: of the thigh there, so we're comfortable that he should

1144
01:03:49,067 --> 01:03:51,227
Speaker 16: be okay. Other than that, we got through a pre

1145
01:03:51,267 --> 01:03:53,627
Speaker 16: well once case from what I can imagine, and in

1146
01:03:53,827 --> 01:03:55,787
Speaker 16: terms of the game, they're very happy. We felt we

1147
01:03:55,867 --> 01:03:58,547
Speaker 16: were underwhelming against the Hurricanes a week before, just around

1148
01:03:58,547 --> 01:04:02,107
Speaker 16: the great areas, et cetera. But fortunately there's a bit

1149
01:04:02,147 --> 01:04:04,347
Speaker 16: of a breeze of it around anyway, Yesterday was keep

1150
01:04:04,387 --> 01:04:07,107
Speaker 16: the temperature to sort of mid twenties, and yeah, the

1151
01:04:07,227 --> 01:04:09,227
Speaker 16: Crusaders had great depth through their squad, so it was

1152
01:04:09,227 --> 01:04:11,267
Speaker 16: a really good challenge and I thought some of the

1153
01:04:11,307 --> 01:04:13,467
Speaker 16: areas of our game our body heightened and carry and

1154
01:04:13,547 --> 01:04:15,507
Speaker 16: our cleanup was much better and that allowed us to

1155
01:04:15,587 --> 01:04:18,147
Speaker 16: create a bit of momentum in the backs. Did some

1156
01:04:18,267 --> 01:04:19,827
Speaker 16: good stuff off the back of that. So it was

1157
01:04:19,867 --> 01:04:20,867
Speaker 16: already pleasing effort.

1158
01:04:21,147 --> 01:04:23,067
Speaker 2: So as you look ahead to a new season chase,

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01:04:23,147 --> 01:04:26,587
Speaker 2: do you use what happened in twenty twenty five much

1160
01:04:27,027 --> 01:04:30,547
Speaker 2: at all? Or is it more a forward looking strategy,

1161
01:04:30,907 --> 01:04:32,587
Speaker 2: a clean slate ahead of a new season.

1162
01:04:33,987 --> 01:04:36,227
Speaker 6: Oh, look, we certainly can reflect on our first game

1163
01:04:36,267 --> 01:04:38,867
Speaker 6: against the Chiefs last year and when we're at home,

1164
01:04:38,947 --> 01:04:40,307
Speaker 6: as we will be next to day.

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Speaker 16: And they beat us up.

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Speaker 17: To be quite honest, we.

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01:04:44,027 --> 01:04:45,747
Speaker 16: Got to the shears, fought in six half and then

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01:04:45,747 --> 01:04:48,067
Speaker 16: they just came out and they were just too physical

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01:04:48,107 --> 01:04:50,427
Speaker 16: on the night. They had a real point to prove.

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01:04:50,467 --> 01:04:53,507
Speaker 16: I've been beaten in the final of twenty four and yeah,

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01:04:53,587 --> 01:04:55,627
Speaker 16: they played an all court game as they can do.

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Speaker 16: They can get through the middle of their power game

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Speaker 16: and they can get d mac and I said Toura

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01:05:00,067 --> 01:05:01,987
Speaker 16: and they were Carla out wide.

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Speaker 6: And on top of all that, they have a really

1176
01:05:03,867 --> 01:05:05,787
Speaker 6: good kicking game where they can pinued back with the

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01:05:05,867 --> 01:05:08,907
Speaker 6: quality of the kicking. So you know, a difficult opponent.

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01:05:09,467 --> 01:05:10,987
Speaker 16: You soon have to be on your meddle with them

1179
01:05:11,067 --> 01:05:13,187
Speaker 16: and more than anything, you've got to be physical with

1180
01:05:13,307 --> 01:05:17,547
Speaker 16: them and meet them head on there. But also when

1181
01:05:17,587 --> 01:05:19,347
Speaker 16: the timers right, be able to move the border space

1182
01:05:19,387 --> 01:05:22,147
Speaker 16: with that cass. But they're a difficult opponent for anybody.

1183
01:05:22,707 --> 01:05:25,307
Speaker 2: Let's look at your squad. Not Ricco Yowani this season.

1184
01:05:25,347 --> 01:05:27,307
Speaker 2: Of course, he's on sabbatical up in Ireland. He's been

1185
01:05:27,307 --> 01:05:29,387
Speaker 2: a big part of your team for a long long time. Now,

1186
01:05:29,627 --> 01:05:31,547
Speaker 2: how big a gap does that leave on and off

1187
01:05:31,587 --> 01:05:33,027
Speaker 2: the field for you without Rico there?

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01:05:34,187 --> 01:05:37,027
Speaker 16: Well, Rico defensive and in particular he's one of the

1189
01:05:37,107 --> 01:05:40,827
Speaker 16: defensive leaders and he's a great guy in that regard.

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01:05:42,067 --> 01:05:45,587
Speaker 16: His relationship with Greig McGrath defense coach, was crucial to

1191
01:05:45,707 --> 01:05:46,987
Speaker 16: us over the last couple of years. I think we

1192
01:05:47,107 --> 01:05:49,587
Speaker 16: were the best defensive team on both those seasons in

1193
01:05:49,747 --> 01:05:52,707
Speaker 16: terms of tries concedents, trying to Rico as a massive

1194
01:05:52,707 --> 01:05:54,667
Speaker 16: part of that, so he's a huge loss for sure,

1195
01:05:55,027 --> 01:05:57,427
Speaker 16: but we've got a real experience and Peter Ike and

1196
01:05:57,507 --> 01:06:01,107
Speaker 16: Peter was excellent yesterday, carried the already effectively, made some

1197
01:06:01,187 --> 01:06:04,787
Speaker 16: great tackles and scored a try himself and his partnership

1198
01:06:05,147 --> 01:06:08,267
Speaker 16: alongside two younger g isid Rico Simpson inside them and

1199
01:06:08,427 --> 01:06:11,547
Speaker 16: they're Gordon outside him. I thought he led particularly well,

1200
01:06:11,667 --> 01:06:14,147
Speaker 16: so we're really pleased to help Peter when obviously a

1201
01:06:14,267 --> 01:06:17,987
Speaker 16: j dam could potentially play twelve or thirteen. And then

1202
01:06:17,987 --> 01:06:19,787
Speaker 16: you've got zav Tayley as well, so we feel like

1203
01:06:19,867 --> 01:06:22,987
Speaker 16: we've got some reasonable depth from there, along along with

1204
01:06:23,147 --> 01:06:25,187
Speaker 16: Corey Evans who can play in the midfield and fallback.

1205
01:06:25,227 --> 01:06:26,747
Speaker 16: So we feel like we're pretty well covered there, but

1206
01:06:27,107 --> 01:06:30,187
Speaker 16: certainly don't replace Ricky. He's overnight, so a bit a

1207
01:06:30,187 --> 01:06:32,707
Speaker 16: bit of teething process, but we're comfortable we've got good

1208
01:06:32,747 --> 01:06:33,187
Speaker 16: cover there.

1209
01:06:33,387 --> 01:06:36,427
Speaker 2: There's a few experienced guys no longer there. They've given

1210
01:06:36,467 --> 01:06:38,827
Speaker 2: amazing service to the Blues. Angus of those moved on,

1211
01:06:38,987 --> 01:06:42,187
Speaker 2: Bryce Heem, Harry Plummer, Ricky, Riccatelli, Mark Talaya, it's a

1212
01:06:42,267 --> 01:06:45,587
Speaker 2: decent chunk of experience Jace to look to fill. Do

1213
01:06:45,707 --> 01:06:48,307
Speaker 2: you look for guys you know to step up? Who

1214
01:06:48,347 --> 01:06:51,147
Speaker 2: are you know who are that nixt level or what?

1215
01:06:51,427 --> 01:06:52,947
Speaker 2: How do you replace experience like that?

1216
01:06:54,427 --> 01:06:58,707
Speaker 6: Well, I think smart recruitment helps for sure, and it

1217
01:06:58,787 --> 01:07:00,587
Speaker 6: does give other other players who have been on the

1218
01:07:00,627 --> 01:07:04,267
Speaker 6: squad opportunities to step up. So a guy like Curdick

1219
01:07:04,307 --> 01:07:06,707
Speaker 6: kind of we keen to try and make that Hooker

1220
01:07:07,147 --> 01:07:09,907
Speaker 6: has has spot this year. But on top of that,

1221
01:07:09,947 --> 01:07:11,947
Speaker 6: we've we've brought in Bradley Slater and he's been really

1222
01:07:11,947 --> 01:07:14,027
Speaker 6: impressive preseason, So they'll be there will be a really

1223
01:07:14,107 --> 01:07:17,947
Speaker 6: good competition for the place at Howker. Alongside you've got eli.

1224
01:07:17,907 --> 01:07:20,307
Speaker 16: Oden Wright, who's a different type of player, really dynamic.

1225
01:07:20,947 --> 01:07:22,587
Speaker 6: Uh. And then on top of they got James more

1226
01:07:22,587 --> 01:07:24,467
Speaker 6: than in a while, who's different. Again, he's a big guy,

1227
01:07:24,507 --> 01:07:26,227
Speaker 6: a big sort of set piece type Howker.

1228
01:07:26,667 --> 01:07:27,307
Speaker 16: So we feel like.

1229
01:07:27,307 --> 01:07:29,507
Speaker 6: There'll be a great competition there to replace Ricky and

1230
01:07:29,547 --> 01:07:31,267
Speaker 6: what he brought to the team, which was crucial the

1231
01:07:31,307 --> 01:07:33,427
Speaker 6: way we played in terms of his ball carr and

1232
01:07:33,547 --> 01:07:36,027
Speaker 6: his clean out and his execution of the CFP. So

1233
01:07:36,587 --> 01:07:38,907
Speaker 6: that's great in terms of the loose sports stuff with

1234
01:07:39,147 --> 01:07:42,067
Speaker 6: Adrian Trup moving on, et cetera. You know, you're really

1235
01:07:42,107 --> 01:07:44,867
Speaker 6: expecting Hoskinstituto to step up messily this year, and we

1236
01:07:45,027 --> 01:07:47,387
Speaker 6: know what we'll get out of Hoskins and Dalton and

1237
01:07:47,547 --> 01:07:49,987
Speaker 6: again our recruitment, we're really happy with what we've picked

1238
01:07:50,027 --> 01:07:52,347
Speaker 6: up there. We've we've got Malica or anything out of

1239
01:07:52,387 --> 01:07:55,387
Speaker 6: the Chiefs. We've got what we believed to be a

1240
01:07:55,467 --> 01:07:57,867
Speaker 6: real good player, and Tori and Barnes out of Canterbury.

1241
01:07:58,467 --> 01:08:00,427
Speaker 6: Shay Clark is a good young kid here, so they're

1242
01:08:00,427 --> 01:08:02,707
Speaker 6: all three really good athletes. And on top of that

1243
01:08:02,747 --> 01:08:05,027
Speaker 6: we've got jened Nolb who spend the second half of

1244
01:08:05,067 --> 01:08:06,987
Speaker 6: the season with Harbor as a cat and he's a

1245
01:08:07,067 --> 01:08:10,067
Speaker 6: really good player as well. And Anton's signor again, so

1246
01:08:10,147 --> 01:08:12,947
Speaker 6: there's real good debt there and good competition for places,

1247
01:08:13,027 --> 01:08:14,947
Speaker 6: and that's what you see when you lose some players,

1248
01:08:14,987 --> 01:08:18,427
Speaker 6: there's an opportunity for others, so you expect, you know,

1249
01:08:19,187 --> 01:08:21,627
Speaker 6: a real battle for positions, which is great for the squad.

1250
01:08:21,507 --> 01:08:24,067
Speaker 2: And Daed we see the long anticipator returns as well

1251
01:08:24,107 --> 01:08:26,867
Speaker 2: of Sam Dorry and offer to all the fussy the

1252
01:08:27,027 --> 01:08:29,987
Speaker 2: shoulder and Nick injuries respectively pretty much saw the miss

1253
01:08:30,147 --> 01:08:32,827
Speaker 2: the entirety of last season. Have they fully recovered? Are

1254
01:08:32,827 --> 01:08:34,227
Speaker 2: they Are they good to go for Round one?

1255
01:08:35,427 --> 01:08:35,627
Speaker 13: Yes?

1256
01:08:35,907 --> 01:08:39,147
Speaker 16: They both played yesterday and got through it really particularly effectively,

1257
01:08:39,307 --> 01:08:41,387
Speaker 16: so yeah, we're happy that will both be good to

1258
01:08:41,467 --> 01:08:44,627
Speaker 16: go again. We feel like we're pretty deep at Locke.

1259
01:08:45,147 --> 01:08:47,987
Speaker 16: You got Lochla McConnell there as well, Sam Darry, Josh

1260
01:08:48,107 --> 01:08:50,267
Speaker 16: Darry and you got Patrick Toobo who's come back yet.

1261
01:08:50,347 --> 01:08:52,907
Speaker 16: So we feel like we're pretty well off at Locke,

1262
01:08:53,147 --> 01:08:55,987
Speaker 16: particular if they're all foed. So unfortunately we lost came

1263
01:08:56,107 --> 01:08:59,107
Speaker 16: Christy last week to season ending the injury and he's

1264
01:08:59,307 --> 01:09:00,787
Speaker 16: a lock six cover so that was a bit of

1265
01:09:00,827 --> 01:09:03,547
Speaker 16: a blow. But other than that, we're feeling pretty comfortable

1266
01:09:03,587 --> 01:09:03,827
Speaker 16: in there.

1267
01:09:04,387 --> 01:09:07,027
Speaker 2: Is there anything in the Super Rugby law tweaks that

1268
01:09:07,147 --> 01:09:11,027
Speaker 2: were unveiled last week that you've paid particular attention to, Jesse?

1269
01:09:12,347 --> 01:09:15,067
Speaker 16: Yeah, a couple you can pass all back behind halfway

1270
01:09:15,107 --> 01:09:17,547
Speaker 16: and tick at fifty twenty two. That called me out

1271
01:09:17,587 --> 01:09:19,187
Speaker 16: watching the French yesterday because you go to be a

1272
01:09:19,227 --> 01:09:20,947
Speaker 16: pull one of those off the one they didn't call

1273
01:09:20,987 --> 01:09:22,147
Speaker 16: and I think what's going on here?

1274
01:09:22,467 --> 01:09:24,947
Speaker 6: But that hasn't been that did catch me out. It

1275
01:09:24,987 --> 01:09:26,267
Speaker 6: hasn't come into six nations.

1276
01:09:26,587 --> 01:09:28,507
Speaker 16: Then the other one is you can tap at the

1277
01:09:28,587 --> 01:09:31,707
Speaker 16: tunnel now if you get a free kick from a scrum,

1278
01:09:31,747 --> 01:09:33,507
Speaker 16: whereas you had to pass it all back the numberate

1279
01:09:33,587 --> 01:09:36,347
Speaker 16: in the past, and that could that could be a

1280
01:09:36,507 --> 01:09:37,427
Speaker 16: great path for the defense.

1281
01:09:37,507 --> 01:09:40,027
Speaker 6: Could be an absolute nightmare for the referees and the

1282
01:09:40,147 --> 01:09:42,747
Speaker 6: defense because the likelihood it is from a five minute

1283
01:09:42,747 --> 01:09:45,227
Speaker 6: scream you tap quickly a loose he's going to just

1284
01:09:45,747 --> 01:09:46,947
Speaker 6: by virtue of reaction.

1285
01:09:46,787 --> 01:09:47,227
Speaker 16: Make it tap.

1286
01:09:47,267 --> 01:09:49,347
Speaker 6: They're going to have been so I don't know how

1287
01:09:49,387 --> 01:09:51,187
Speaker 6: they're going to manage that. I think that's a crazy

1288
01:09:51,307 --> 01:09:53,707
Speaker 6: order to be thirty on us, but it will give

1289
01:09:53,747 --> 01:09:55,107
Speaker 6: some scope for their tape for sure.

1290
01:09:55,347 --> 01:09:57,787
Speaker 2: All Right, we know Van Cotta is off at the

1291
01:09:57,867 --> 01:10:00,987
Speaker 2: end of the season. He'll be the same guy, won't

1292
01:10:00,987 --> 01:10:03,147
Speaker 2: he Can you imagine him being any different knowing that

1293
01:10:03,227 --> 01:10:05,587
Speaker 2: he's that he's in his final season with the Blues.

1294
01:10:07,227 --> 01:10:07,667
Speaker 6: From what I.

1295
01:10:07,787 --> 01:10:12,827
Speaker 16: Witnessed after the Hurricanes last he'll be the same guy. Certainly,

1296
01:10:12,947 --> 01:10:15,907
Speaker 16: put it to the players this week and we got

1297
01:10:15,947 --> 01:10:16,387
Speaker 16: the response.

1298
01:10:16,427 --> 01:10:19,387
Speaker 6: We're looking for. The senior players ready drove about half

1299
01:10:19,427 --> 01:10:22,707
Speaker 6: of the week and the boys performed you close to

1300
01:10:22,787 --> 01:10:24,867
Speaker 6: their potential essay, which is great to say. That's a

1301
01:10:24,907 --> 01:10:27,947
Speaker 6: lot to do with the cajoling from BC, so he'll

1302
01:10:27,987 --> 01:10:29,227
Speaker 6: be the same guy cajoling.

1303
01:10:29,307 --> 01:10:32,107
Speaker 2: Love it, great word, great word. Just to finish, So,

1304
01:10:32,187 --> 01:10:35,427
Speaker 2: Chiefs at home, Force and Brumbies away, Crusaders at home.

1305
01:10:35,747 --> 01:10:37,507
Speaker 2: How do you evaluate that as a first month of

1306
01:10:37,547 --> 01:10:38,227
Speaker 2: the season for you?

1307
01:10:39,947 --> 01:10:40,587
Speaker 6: A very good one.

1308
01:10:40,627 --> 01:10:43,107
Speaker 16: If you win them all, it's a tough job, but

1309
01:10:43,427 --> 01:10:44,987
Speaker 16: you've got to play them at some stay. So we

1310
01:10:45,067 --> 01:10:47,827
Speaker 16: were looking forward to the challenge and we do enjoy

1311
01:10:47,907 --> 01:10:49,507
Speaker 16: the fact that we'll be touring for a couple of

1312
01:10:49,507 --> 01:10:51,187
Speaker 16: weeks Australia think it's a great way of bringing a

1313
01:10:51,267 --> 01:10:54,347
Speaker 16: squad together the early part of the season. But certainly

1314
01:10:54,387 --> 01:10:55,147
Speaker 16: we're not looking.

1315
01:10:54,907 --> 01:10:57,027
Speaker 6: At your fail ahead and Valentine's Day at the stage,

1316
01:10:57,107 --> 01:10:58,907
Speaker 6: So looking forward to the battle.

1317
01:10:58,667 --> 01:10:59,347
Speaker 16: Against the Chiefs.

1318
01:10:59,747 --> 01:11:01,187
Speaker 2: Great to tet to you, Jason, all the best for

1319
01:11:01,227 --> 01:11:03,227
Speaker 2: the season ahead, look forward to catching up over the

1320
01:11:03,267 --> 01:11:03,987
Speaker 2: next few months or so.

1321
01:11:05,027 --> 01:11:07,467
Speaker 16: Yeah, great, thanks very much, Thank you Jace.

1322
01:11:07,547 --> 01:11:09,827
Speaker 2: Jason o'heller and good to have him back on the radio.

1323
01:11:09,907 --> 01:11:14,147
Speaker 2: Assistant coach with the Blues. So yeah, week tonight Blues

1324
01:11:14,347 --> 01:11:18,027
Speaker 2: the Chiefs at Eden Park. Always a great battle. It

1325
01:11:18,107 --> 01:11:21,227
Speaker 2: seems like every week there are games to look out for.

1326
01:11:21,547 --> 01:11:23,427
Speaker 2: Just a reminder, we've got Jack Mesley on the radio

1327
01:11:23,507 --> 01:11:25,867
Speaker 2: tomorrow after midday to talk about some of the law

1328
01:11:25,987 --> 01:11:28,947
Speaker 2: changes in particular that have come in. These were announced

1329
01:11:28,987 --> 01:11:32,627
Speaker 2: in the early part of the week and have raised

1330
01:11:32,627 --> 01:11:35,947
Speaker 2: a few eyebrows. I think generally the feedback from this

1331
01:11:36,027 --> 01:11:38,907
Speaker 2: part of the world has been positive. Up North, they're

1332
01:11:38,907 --> 01:11:43,307
Speaker 2: not quite as enamored with it all. They think it's

1333
01:11:43,307 --> 01:11:46,387
Speaker 2: another step down the road to depowering set peace and

1334
01:11:46,507 --> 01:11:49,907
Speaker 2: such like. Even players safety has been called into questions.

1335
01:11:49,947 --> 01:11:52,747
Speaker 2: So yeah, Jack Mesley going to join us after midday

1336
01:11:52,747 --> 01:11:55,627
Speaker 2: tomorrow and mc kenny here your thoughts too on these

1337
01:11:55,707 --> 01:11:58,067
Speaker 2: law changes and what you think they might mean first

1338
01:11:58,107 --> 01:12:00,547
Speaker 2: of all for Super rugby and then when the All

1339
01:12:00,587 --> 01:12:03,067
Speaker 2: Blacks and the Wallabies going to international rugby and these

1340
01:12:03,147 --> 01:12:05,827
Speaker 2: laws don't apply, what effect will that have on their

1341
01:12:05,867 --> 01:12:10,027
Speaker 2: ability to do well in test matches. Tana Umonga with

1342
01:12:10,147 --> 01:12:12,947
Speaker 2: us after two o'clock, head coach of Mowana PACIFICA. We'll

1343
01:12:12,947 --> 01:12:14,707
Speaker 2: take a break, come back and hop across the Testsman

1344
01:12:14,747 --> 01:12:18,187
Speaker 2: Adam Peacock, our regular Australian correspondent after.

1345
01:12:18,067 --> 01:12:20,907
Speaker 13: This, it's more than just a game.

1346
01:12:21,267 --> 01:12:25,907
Speaker 1: Weekend sport with Jason Pine and GJ. Gunnomes, New Zealand's

1347
01:12:25,947 --> 01:12:27,707
Speaker 1: most trusted home builder news talks.

1348
01:12:27,747 --> 01:12:31,067
Speaker 2: They'd be one forty four Saturday afternoons. We always catch

1349
01:12:31,147 --> 01:12:34,827
Speaker 2: up with our Australian correspondent, Adam Peacock, who joins us

1350
01:12:34,827 --> 01:12:36,827
Speaker 2: now from across the ditch. Has your week been, mate?

1351
01:12:39,467 --> 01:12:39,627
Speaker 4: Good?

1352
01:12:39,707 --> 01:12:43,867
Speaker 7: Piney week off? You know it seems like high pressure

1353
01:12:43,907 --> 01:12:46,907
Speaker 7: hosing the driveway and things like that, the stuff that

1354
01:12:47,107 --> 01:12:50,027
Speaker 7: really reinvigorates yourself. That's all I was up to.

1355
01:12:50,387 --> 01:12:52,547
Speaker 2: Well, you've earned it. You've been working every hour God

1356
01:12:52,667 --> 01:12:54,387
Speaker 2: sends over the last little while. So I'm glad you

1357
01:12:54,467 --> 01:12:57,187
Speaker 2: actually got some time to do those chores, which I'm

1358
01:12:57,227 --> 01:13:00,427
Speaker 2: sure we're stacking up around the house. Thanks for joining us, mate,

1359
01:13:01,147 --> 01:13:04,907
Speaker 2: Let's talk state of Origin. There are very strong reports

1360
01:13:04,947 --> 01:13:07,547
Speaker 2: that in twenty twenty seven a State of Origin match

1361
01:13:07,587 --> 01:13:09,747
Speaker 2: will be played at Eden Park in Auckland. How do

1362
01:13:09,787 --> 01:13:11,467
Speaker 2: you feel about this? How did the rugby league public

1363
01:13:11,507 --> 01:13:12,027
Speaker 2: feel about this?

1364
01:13:12,907 --> 01:13:13,067
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1365
01:13:13,067 --> 01:13:16,347
Speaker 7: I think everyone recognizes it's a good thing. We'd rather

1366
01:13:17,147 --> 01:13:19,707
Speaker 7: in many respects rugby league people would rather send it

1367
01:13:19,787 --> 01:13:22,067
Speaker 7: there to a place that they actually love and appreciate

1368
01:13:22,187 --> 01:13:25,187
Speaker 7: rugby league rather than just trying to break into not

1369
01:13:25,467 --> 01:13:27,307
Speaker 7: to say that they don't in Melbourne, but on mass

1370
01:13:27,347 --> 01:13:33,187
Speaker 7: I'm talking about Adelaide Perth. Yeah, chuck it over to

1371
01:13:33,667 --> 01:13:36,507
Speaker 7: New Zealand. The key thing will be the timing of

1372
01:13:36,547 --> 01:13:40,747
Speaker 7: the game. Obviously, time zones dictate what's best. I know

1373
01:13:40,867 --> 01:13:43,467
Speaker 7: what channel. I'll say seven thirty on a Wednesday night

1374
01:13:43,627 --> 01:13:45,827
Speaker 7: is best, which means nine point thirty in the middle

1375
01:13:45,827 --> 01:13:49,347
Speaker 7: of winter on a Wednesday night at Eton Park, which

1376
01:13:49,387 --> 01:13:52,227
Speaker 7: I understand have noise restrictions, so they'll have to seek

1377
01:13:52,267 --> 01:13:54,107
Speaker 7: an exemption there if they're going to do that. But

1378
01:13:54,587 --> 01:13:56,547
Speaker 7: I'd like to see a happy medium, maybe even a

1379
01:13:56,627 --> 01:14:01,627
Speaker 7: Sunday game and kick it back a few hours over here,

1380
01:14:01,707 --> 01:14:04,827
Speaker 7: to say at six o'clock or or five point thirty

1381
01:14:04,987 --> 01:14:07,547
Speaker 7: to make it a power lot able kickoff time there.

1382
01:14:07,587 --> 01:14:10,027
Speaker 7: But they don't want to don't want to stand alone,

1383
01:14:10,027 --> 01:14:11,707
Speaker 7: they don't want to bump into other sports. They don't

1384
01:14:11,707 --> 01:14:13,907
Speaker 7: want to have it when the AFL's on, so to speak.

1385
01:14:13,987 --> 01:14:16,227
Speaker 7: So we'll wait and see what that. But the concepts

1386
01:14:16,267 --> 01:14:18,347
Speaker 7: good and yeah, a lot of people agree with it.

1387
01:14:18,547 --> 01:14:21,467
Speaker 2: Yeah over here too, you know, I think even if

1388
01:14:21,467 --> 01:14:23,347
Speaker 2: it was to be a nine to thirty Wednesday night,

1389
01:14:23,387 --> 01:14:26,587
Speaker 2: which would be unpalatable obviously, I still think you'd fill

1390
01:14:26,627 --> 01:14:28,987
Speaker 2: the place. You know, state of origin and state of origin.

1391
01:14:29,067 --> 01:14:30,707
Speaker 2: We've been watching it over here for as long as

1392
01:14:31,107 --> 01:14:33,987
Speaker 2: you have over there. It's you know, it's compulsory viewing,

1393
01:14:34,067 --> 01:14:37,187
Speaker 2: and it's long been talked about having a game over here,

1394
01:14:37,267 --> 01:14:38,667
Speaker 2: and I think a lot of people thought it would

1395
01:14:38,667 --> 01:14:42,307
Speaker 2: never happen. So mate, they'll fill the place. I would

1396
01:14:42,307 --> 01:14:46,707
Speaker 2: they consider an early kickoff on the Wednesday night maybe.

1397
01:14:48,227 --> 01:14:49,947
Speaker 7: I think as early as early it can be as

1398
01:14:50,267 --> 01:14:54,307
Speaker 7: six thirty. Yeah, yeah, I would say, oh no, sorry,

1399
01:14:54,387 --> 01:14:56,107
Speaker 7: eight thirty over there, six thirty over years.

1400
01:14:56,187 --> 01:14:56,387
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1401
01:14:56,387 --> 01:14:59,227
Speaker 7: So look, the big thing is like TV ratings mean

1402
01:14:59,347 --> 01:15:02,907
Speaker 7: a lot over here, especially the broadcasters, which means that

1403
01:15:03,027 --> 01:15:06,707
Speaker 7: they can you know, bulk up their offering for tires.

1404
01:15:07,227 --> 01:15:11,147
Speaker 7: It's all a cycle. The TV ratings period is six

1405
01:15:11,267 --> 01:15:16,107
Speaker 7: to twelve in the evening over here. So if it

1406
01:15:16,147 --> 01:15:19,187
Speaker 7: doesn't fall in that window, yeah, it makes things difficult.

1407
01:15:19,267 --> 01:15:21,547
Speaker 7: So I can't see, especially on a week night, being

1408
01:15:21,627 --> 01:15:23,827
Speaker 7: outside that window.

1409
01:15:23,867 --> 01:15:24,027
Speaker 6: There.

1410
01:15:24,427 --> 01:15:26,027
Speaker 7: Maybe a thirty R times a.

1411
01:15:26,547 --> 01:15:29,387
Speaker 2: Solution, Yeah, I think that would be more palatable, and

1412
01:15:29,667 --> 01:15:32,387
Speaker 2: maybe that's what we'll end up landing on other matters

1413
01:15:32,427 --> 01:15:36,907
Speaker 2: around always chat about the football calendar. We've got the

1414
01:15:36,987 --> 01:15:40,227
Speaker 2: typical traditional winter season. Of course, the A league played

1415
01:15:40,267 --> 01:15:44,747
Speaker 2: over summer. Got some thoughts on a possible rejink of

1416
01:15:44,787 --> 01:15:45,787
Speaker 2: the football calendar.

1417
01:15:46,867 --> 01:15:49,747
Speaker 7: Yeah, a few things doubling in my mind. While I've

1418
01:15:49,787 --> 01:15:51,387
Speaker 7: been working in things, I've been able to take in

1419
01:15:51,467 --> 01:15:53,987
Speaker 7: a little bit of a league and I'm just noticing

1420
01:15:54,107 --> 01:15:56,387
Speaker 7: some of the conditions that they're playing in. I'm really

1421
01:15:56,507 --> 01:15:59,427
Speaker 7: noticing it, and I should have a while back. It's

1422
01:15:59,467 --> 01:16:00,987
Speaker 7: stinking hot and no, I don't know if you talk

1423
01:16:01,027 --> 01:16:04,507
Speaker 7: to the guys over there, Auckland and Wellington, obviously you

1424
01:16:04,747 --> 01:16:06,987
Speaker 7: cop it over there as much when they come over

1425
01:16:07,067 --> 01:16:10,787
Speaker 7: here and they're playing in you know, seventy percent humidity.

1426
01:16:10,467 --> 01:16:11,387
Speaker 6: And the like.

1427
01:16:12,067 --> 01:16:16,707
Speaker 7: It's just it's not conducive to ensuring a good product,

1428
01:16:16,787 --> 01:16:18,987
Speaker 7: because it can be a very good product. You had

1429
01:16:19,187 --> 01:16:22,147
Speaker 7: a five golf thriller I think last night over there.

1430
01:16:22,707 --> 01:16:24,987
Speaker 7: You know, you want open games, you want quick games.

1431
01:16:26,107 --> 01:16:28,707
Speaker 7: You don't want to drinks breaks in a half, you

1432
01:16:28,787 --> 01:16:32,907
Speaker 7: don't Yeah, talking to physical stuff. They're taking a day

1433
01:16:33,067 --> 01:16:37,547
Speaker 7: more to recover. It's all my thought plant pointing is

1434
01:16:37,587 --> 01:16:40,467
Speaker 7: that football especially in Australia and at New Zealand. But

1435
01:16:40,627 --> 01:16:43,547
Speaker 7: they don't think enough of what's best for the players

1436
01:16:43,667 --> 01:16:46,867
Speaker 7: and the coach and as byproduct of the players the coaches.

1437
01:16:46,947 --> 01:16:48,747
Speaker 7: So I just had to think they had to stab

1438
01:16:48,787 --> 01:16:51,507
Speaker 7: at it. And what if we change from February to November.

1439
01:16:51,547 --> 01:16:53,667
Speaker 7: I had a little mid season break when it's really

1440
01:16:54,027 --> 01:16:57,667
Speaker 7: yuck in June, play FFA Cup and maybe you guys,

1441
01:16:57,747 --> 01:17:00,427
Speaker 7: now that you're out of the Australia Cup, play a

1442
01:17:00,507 --> 01:17:02,627
Speaker 7: New Zealand Cup over there. But just I don't know

1443
01:17:02,827 --> 01:17:05,387
Speaker 7: something that kind of lines up with the rest of

1444
01:17:05,467 --> 01:17:10,387
Speaker 7: the calendar played in winter better products just an idea.

1445
01:17:10,507 --> 01:17:12,307
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's a good one. And I think the

1446
01:17:13,067 --> 01:17:15,267
Speaker 2: one of the reasons that summer was chosen was to

1447
01:17:15,307 --> 01:17:17,547
Speaker 2: get some clear ea, wasn't it In a very crowded

1448
01:17:17,587 --> 01:17:21,307
Speaker 2: Australian sports market with AFL and NRL. As you've mentioned already,

1449
01:17:21,347 --> 01:17:23,147
Speaker 2: you know how much cut through would the A League

1450
01:17:23,147 --> 01:17:24,707
Speaker 2: get at that time. I guess that would be the

1451
01:17:24,787 --> 01:17:29,547
Speaker 2: collateral damage of this. But yeah, some of those games particularly,

1452
01:17:29,547 --> 01:17:32,227
Speaker 2: it just seems some places like Newcastle, it gets so

1453
01:17:32,467 --> 01:17:34,507
Speaker 2: hot there, it doesn't it How can you turn up

1454
01:17:34,507 --> 01:17:36,227
Speaker 2: to watch a game lit alone playing one.

1455
01:17:37,107 --> 01:17:39,787
Speaker 7: Yeah, Brisbane and then in the Southern States this time

1456
01:17:40,107 --> 01:17:43,427
Speaker 7: you're copying the oven heat, so it's like forty degrees

1457
01:17:43,467 --> 01:17:47,067
Speaker 7: in Melbourne or Adelaide with a northerly and it's yeah.

1458
01:17:47,467 --> 01:17:50,187
Speaker 7: And training as well through the week, like you're copying

1459
01:17:50,267 --> 01:17:52,307
Speaker 7: days where you either have to train at six thirty

1460
01:17:52,307 --> 01:17:54,027
Speaker 7: in the morning or eight eighty at night. It's it's

1461
01:17:54,067 --> 01:17:56,987
Speaker 7: getting to become like the Middle East. So yeah, I

1462
01:17:57,187 --> 01:18:02,387
Speaker 7: just want a better place for the players. And as

1463
01:18:02,427 --> 01:18:04,747
Speaker 7: I said, as a byproduct of the players being better,

1464
01:18:04,827 --> 01:18:05,707
Speaker 7: the coaches being better.

1465
01:18:06,187 --> 01:18:08,627
Speaker 2: Yep. I think it's well worth a discussion, well worth

1466
01:18:08,667 --> 01:18:11,427
Speaker 2: a discussion. Hey, just finally today T twenty World Cup

1467
01:18:11,427 --> 01:18:14,747
Speaker 2: about to get underway. Australia obviously are their favorites are

1468
01:18:14,787 --> 01:18:18,067
Speaker 2: probably alongside India to win it. No, Steve Smith, you

1469
01:18:18,067 --> 01:18:21,187
Speaker 2: get a good big bash three hundred dollars runs at

1470
01:18:21,307 --> 01:18:24,107
Speaker 2: sixty not good enough to get them in the national side.

1471
01:18:24,707 --> 01:18:27,587
Speaker 2: Is this a surprise or not. Has the Australian T

1472
01:18:27,747 --> 01:18:30,987
Speaker 2: twenty side moved on from thirty six year old Steve Smith?

1473
01:18:31,827 --> 01:18:35,387
Speaker 7: Yeah, they have because they were in the last year

1474
01:18:35,467 --> 01:18:38,747
Speaker 7: or so. They've gone power. They're just purely like your

1475
01:18:38,827 --> 01:18:41,507
Speaker 7: top six as Travis Head. I think Josh English is

1476
01:18:41,547 --> 01:18:44,547
Speaker 7: in there in your top seven, top eight, and then

1477
01:18:44,547 --> 01:18:47,187
Speaker 7: the rest of the guys are just giants, like guys

1478
01:18:47,227 --> 01:18:49,627
Speaker 7: like Timmy David and Mitch Owen's been in there and

1479
01:18:49,787 --> 01:18:52,947
Speaker 7: Camon Green and Mitch Marsh they hit the ball of mile.

1480
01:18:54,267 --> 01:18:57,187
Speaker 7: But Steve Smith in those conditions will be missed. How

1481
01:18:57,827 --> 01:19:00,667
Speaker 7: much you will be missed, well, that will be determined

1482
01:19:00,707 --> 01:19:02,587
Speaker 7: by where we finish in the tournament. If we don't

1483
01:19:02,587 --> 01:19:05,187
Speaker 7: win it, everyone will definitely double down on their thought,

1484
01:19:05,387 --> 01:19:07,507
Speaker 7: which is at the moment, what the hell isn't this

1485
01:19:07,587 --> 01:19:11,387
Speaker 7: bloke playing? He's got off and he's taken a contract

1486
01:19:11,387 --> 01:19:16,707
Speaker 7: with the Pakistan T twenty League basically to you know, say, well,

1487
01:19:16,987 --> 01:19:18,987
Speaker 7: stuff is, I'll go over there and make a ton

1488
01:19:19,027 --> 01:19:21,667
Speaker 7: of runs and then you're gonna look doubly stupid. Big

1489
01:19:21,747 --> 01:19:24,227
Speaker 7: one for the Selectors, massive one if they if they

1490
01:19:24,267 --> 01:19:26,827
Speaker 7: don't win it, as I said, they'll cop it for

1491
01:19:26,987 --> 01:19:29,587
Speaker 7: not picking Steve Smith if they do win it. Again

1492
01:19:29,667 --> 01:19:31,827
Speaker 7: the selectors, they've been pretty good in the Australian cricket

1493
01:19:32,027 --> 01:19:34,507
Speaker 7: the last three or four years. I'll go todder, So

1494
01:19:34,907 --> 01:19:35,387
Speaker 7: we'll wait.

1495
01:19:35,227 --> 01:19:35,867
Speaker 6: And see what that one.

1496
01:19:36,067 --> 01:19:38,667
Speaker 2: And we've will always lots to discuss when it comes

1497
01:19:38,707 --> 01:19:40,787
Speaker 2: to Australian sport. Thanks as always for taking the time.

1498
01:19:41,147 --> 01:19:42,707
Speaker 2: Add them back to that list of chores for you.

1499
01:19:42,827 --> 01:19:43,867
Speaker 2: We'll catch up again next.

1500
01:19:43,707 --> 01:19:48,147
Speaker 7: Saturday involves a golf course today with worth good news.

1501
01:19:48,867 --> 01:19:50,907
Speaker 2: Never a chill. Good on your mate, Thanks thanks for

1502
01:19:51,027 --> 01:19:53,467
Speaker 2: joining us. Adam as always Adam p Cock on his

1503
01:19:53,507 --> 01:19:55,987
Speaker 2: way to golf and a big part of our Saturday's

1504
01:19:56,467 --> 01:19:59,267
Speaker 2: Our Australian correspondent. Yeah. T twenty Cricket World Cup. That's

1505
01:19:59,267 --> 01:20:01,547
Speaker 2: snack up as well. Oh has a snack up. I

1506
01:20:01,587 --> 01:20:04,107
Speaker 2: think we knew it was coming tomorrow night Afghanistan. This

1507
01:20:04,147 --> 01:20:05,747
Speaker 2: is a very friendly time to be watching a T

1508
01:20:05,867 --> 01:20:09,827
Speaker 2: twenty game. Sunday evening dinner time six thirty tomorrow night.

1509
01:20:09,907 --> 01:20:12,507
Speaker 2: New Zealand's first game in the T twenty Cricket World

1510
01:20:12,507 --> 01:20:15,707
Speaker 2: Cup against Afghanistan. It's quite a big game. There are

1511
01:20:16,547 --> 01:20:19,947
Speaker 2: five teams in each group, only two go through, so

1512
01:20:20,187 --> 01:20:23,427
Speaker 2: New Zealander and the same group clearly as Afghanistan and

1513
01:20:23,707 --> 01:20:27,827
Speaker 2: South Africa, plus a couple of minnos. So yeah, I

1514
01:20:27,827 --> 01:20:32,067
Speaker 2: wouldn't want to lose to Afghanistan. They're an emerging cricket nation.

1515
01:20:32,147 --> 01:20:35,627
Speaker 2: I think he probably described them ass but a dangerous one,

1516
01:20:35,787 --> 01:20:39,867
Speaker 2: especially in the shortest format of the game. So New

1517
01:20:39,987 --> 01:20:43,587
Speaker 2: Zealand i'm sure will be targeting their first games one

1518
01:20:43,667 --> 01:20:45,987
Speaker 2: to get off with a win. They play South Africa

1519
01:20:46,027 --> 01:20:48,107
Speaker 2: in about a week or so. Rob Walter is the

1520
01:20:48,147 --> 01:20:49,787
Speaker 2: coach of the team. He's on the show tomorrow we'll

1521
01:20:49,787 --> 01:20:54,387
Speaker 2: ask him how key the first game against Afghanistan might be.

1522
01:20:54,667 --> 01:20:56,347
Speaker 2: Eight away from two News Talks.

1523
01:20:56,107 --> 01:21:00,307
Speaker 1: EB analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting

1524
01:21:00,387 --> 01:21:03,787
Speaker 1: world weekends for it with Jason Vaie the call eight

1525
01:21:03,867 --> 01:21:05,947
Speaker 1: hundred and eighties eighty News Talks.

1526
01:21:05,747 --> 01:21:08,027
Speaker 2: MB five to two. Just updating you on some live

1527
01:21:08,107 --> 01:21:10,627
Speaker 2: sport for trophy cricket action. This is around seven of

1528
01:21:10,747 --> 01:21:14,147
Speaker 2: ten and the fifty over men's competition at tarrangi Orda.

1529
01:21:14,267 --> 01:21:16,587
Speaker 2: Canterbary won the toss, sent Northern into bat and have

1530
01:21:16,707 --> 01:21:19,107
Speaker 2: bowled them out for one hundred and fifty eight, so

1531
01:21:19,307 --> 01:21:22,347
Speaker 2: one fifty nine required by Canterbury to win that one

1532
01:21:22,547 --> 01:21:25,747
Speaker 2: and McLean Park in Napier Auckland on the toss they

1533
01:21:25,827 --> 01:21:27,627
Speaker 2: decided to bat and they're all out for one hundred

1534
01:21:27,627 --> 01:21:31,027
Speaker 2: and sixty three, so the Stags with that chase to

1535
01:21:31,147 --> 01:21:35,227
Speaker 2: come and the third match is in Dunedin where the

1536
01:21:35,267 --> 01:21:37,867
Speaker 2: Wellington Firebirds have a couple of balls left in their

1537
01:21:37,867 --> 01:21:40,267
Speaker 2: first innings, having won the toss and elected to bat

1538
01:21:40,307 --> 01:21:43,747
Speaker 2: first against the home side, the Vaults two sixty seven

1539
01:21:43,867 --> 01:21:45,827
Speaker 2: for nine with a couple of balls to go. So

1540
01:21:46,027 --> 01:21:48,587
Speaker 2: of the three sides of batter first and four trophy

1541
01:21:48,627 --> 01:21:51,547
Speaker 2: Wellington fibers certainly the best of them, two sixty seven

1542
01:21:51,627 --> 01:21:53,907
Speaker 2: for nine. Will keep eyes on those run chases after

1543
01:21:53,987 --> 01:21:58,187
Speaker 2: two o'clock. Also after the News at two, we continue

1544
01:21:58,627 --> 01:22:02,867
Speaker 2: our rip around the New Zealand based Super Rugby franchises

1545
01:22:03,227 --> 01:22:05,867
Speaker 2: ahead of the new season getting under way next weekend.

1546
01:22:06,107 --> 01:22:09,827
Speaker 2: More to PACIFICA had what you'd probably call a breakthrough

1547
01:22:09,947 --> 01:22:12,747
Speaker 2: season in twenty twenty five. They gained a lot of

1548
01:22:12,827 --> 01:22:15,707
Speaker 2: respect and a lot of admirers and won quite a

1549
01:22:15,707 --> 01:22:18,467
Speaker 2: few games of rugby as well, with Ardie Savilla leading

1550
01:22:18,547 --> 01:22:20,267
Speaker 2: from the front. He's not there of course this year.

1551
01:22:20,347 --> 01:22:23,147
Speaker 2: How does that change things? Head coach Tana Umanga with

1552
01:22:23,307 --> 01:22:26,147
Speaker 2: us straight after the news at two and we'll get

1553
01:22:26,187 --> 01:22:29,507
Speaker 2: you to the Winter Olympics. Arna Wilcox is going to

1554
01:22:29,587 --> 01:22:32,107
Speaker 2: join us to run and eye over the mental prospects

1555
01:22:32,147 --> 01:22:38,627
Speaker 2: for New Zealand over the next Fortnighte's.

1556
01:22:36,347 --> 01:22:39,187
Speaker 1: The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on

1557
01:22:39,627 --> 01:22:40,787
Speaker 1: and after fields.

1558
01:22:41,347 --> 01:22:42,987
Speaker 6: It's all on weekends.

1559
01:22:42,587 --> 01:22:46,027
Speaker 1: Ford with Jason Vaine on your home of Sport.

1560
01:22:46,627 --> 01:22:47,667
Speaker 6: On News Talk.

1561
01:22:49,267 --> 01:22:51,427
Speaker 2: Welcome into Weekend Sport. Welcome back to the Weekend Sport.

1562
01:22:51,507 --> 01:22:53,707
Speaker 2: I'm Jason Pine and Andy McDonald running the cut up.

1563
01:22:53,827 --> 01:22:55,947
Speaker 2: We're here's all three when Tim Beveridge takes over with

1564
01:22:56,027 --> 01:22:58,867
Speaker 2: the Weekend Collective Saturday edition. I hope you long weekend's

1565
01:22:58,907 --> 01:23:02,787
Speaker 2: going well. If that's what you're enjoying, you're somewhere other

1566
01:23:02,867 --> 01:23:05,187
Speaker 2: than where you normally would live. I hope it's been

1567
01:23:05,187 --> 01:23:08,227
Speaker 2: a nice relaxing time for you. Before we hand over,

1568
01:23:08,307 --> 01:23:11,227
Speaker 2: the Reins want to get inside the Auckland FC camp.

1569
01:23:11,267 --> 01:23:13,907
Speaker 2: They've got a massive game this afternoon against Sydney FC.

1570
01:23:14,347 --> 01:23:19,787
Speaker 2: These two teams are tied on points in effectively in

1571
01:23:19,907 --> 01:23:22,907
Speaker 2: second place. Goal difference separates them, but they both got

1572
01:23:22,947 --> 01:23:25,627
Speaker 2: the same number of points and they're both two points

1573
01:23:25,667 --> 01:23:29,467
Speaker 2: behind legal leaders Newcastle. They play one another this afternoon,

1574
01:23:29,507 --> 01:23:31,947
Speaker 2: Auckland f C and Sydney FC five o'clock go Media.

1575
01:23:32,747 --> 01:23:34,667
Speaker 2: A win for either would take them top of the table.

1576
01:23:34,907 --> 01:23:39,947
Speaker 2: Big game, Big game, Dan Hall, big player for Auckland

1577
01:23:40,027 --> 01:23:43,467
Speaker 2: FC recently brought up one hundred A League men's matches

1578
01:23:43,507 --> 01:23:46,387
Speaker 2: across his time at Auckland and the Central Coast Mariners.

1579
01:23:46,987 --> 01:23:48,267
Speaker 2: Is going to join us on match day for a

1580
01:23:48,347 --> 01:23:50,667
Speaker 2: chat about this afternoon. It's been a pretty challenging time

1581
01:23:51,107 --> 01:23:52,907
Speaker 2: since the turn of the year for Auckland, just the

1582
01:23:53,027 --> 01:23:57,387
Speaker 2: one win in their last six so January not particularly

1583
01:23:57,507 --> 01:24:00,267
Speaker 2: happy for them. How does February become better? Dan Hall?

1584
01:24:00,347 --> 01:24:03,307
Speaker 2: This hour the Winter Olympics underway and mil Uncle Tina.

1585
01:24:04,547 --> 01:24:07,947
Speaker 2: We'll chat with twenty fourteen olympian Atsachi and the women's

1586
01:24:07,947 --> 01:24:10,267
Speaker 2: slope style. Anna Wilcox. She's over there as part of

1587
01:24:10,307 --> 01:24:14,067
Speaker 2: Sky's broadcast team. I've got some medals perhaps in the

1588
01:24:14,187 --> 01:24:17,107
Speaker 2: offing tomorrow morning and across the next two weeks, we'll

1589
01:24:17,267 --> 01:24:19,787
Speaker 2: break it all down. Tana Humuga also standing by for

1590
01:24:19,867 --> 01:24:22,907
Speaker 2: a chat. As we rip around the Super rugby franchises

1591
01:24:22,987 --> 01:24:25,987
Speaker 2: based here in New Zealand. We've heard from Rob Penny

1592
01:24:26,387 --> 01:24:29,707
Speaker 2: at the Crusaders, Jason o'haleran from inside the Blues coaching

1593
01:24:29,707 --> 01:24:33,347
Speaker 2: set up, Tana Umanga next from Wada PACIFICA Hurricanes, Chiefs

1594
01:24:33,667 --> 01:24:36,987
Speaker 2: and Highlanders for you tomorrow. Keep your calls coming. Keep

1595
01:24:36,987 --> 01:24:39,267
Speaker 2: your text coming nine two nine two for text messages

1596
01:24:39,707 --> 01:24:43,587
Speaker 2: emails to Jason at newstalksb dot co dot MZ phone numbers. Oh,

1597
01:24:43,627 --> 01:24:46,427
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. As we tick past

1598
01:24:46,507 --> 01:24:48,667
Speaker 2: eight past two, let's get you up today with some

1599
01:24:48,747 --> 01:24:50,667
Speaker 2: of the stuff that's happened over the last little while

1600
01:24:50,987 --> 01:24:54,507
Speaker 2: that perhaps you haven't quite caught up with, in case

1601
01:24:54,547 --> 01:24:56,507
Speaker 2: you missed it, as the name of the feature, starting

1602
01:24:57,307 --> 01:25:01,187
Speaker 2: with the Under nineteen Cricket World Cup Final, an incredible

1603
01:25:01,227 --> 01:25:04,467
Speaker 2: knock leading India to another title.

1604
01:25:08,227 --> 01:25:15,067
Speaker 12: Oh sac why a way to close off the over?

1605
01:25:18,467 --> 01:25:18,827
Speaker 4: What is this?

1606
01:25:19,067 --> 01:25:19,987
Speaker 3: Is this a chance?

1607
01:25:20,507 --> 01:25:21,027
Speaker 13: No, it isn't.

1608
01:25:21,147 --> 01:25:22,307
Speaker 3: That's another sect.

1609
01:25:23,547 --> 01:25:26,787
Speaker 2: That is one point fifty? What an exodus has been

1610
01:25:26,827 --> 01:25:30,987
Speaker 2: the young man vbove Suri and Vashi, who was only

1611
01:25:31,427 --> 01:25:35,747
Speaker 2: fourteen years old, by the way, hitting one hundred and

1612
01:25:35,867 --> 01:25:42,347
Speaker 2: seventy five of just eighty balls. That says here, goodness me.

1613
01:25:43,027 --> 01:25:46,667
Speaker 2: Leading India to a one hundred run victory over England

1614
01:25:46,867 --> 01:25:52,027
Speaker 2: fourteen was important. Twenty twelve, goodness me, what's going on?

1615
01:25:52,147 --> 01:25:54,427
Speaker 2: A bunch of a leg to cover off a late

1616
01:25:54,507 --> 01:25:58,387
Speaker 2: goalkeeping blunder allowed Perth Glory to steal a point at

1617
01:25:58,507 --> 01:26:02,587
Speaker 2: MacArthur game sixty with stoppage turn out for goodness.

1618
01:26:02,707 --> 01:26:04,067
Speaker 18: And never than its open.

1619
01:26:07,947 --> 01:26:12,187
Speaker 2: Wait driver turf the level to two and.

1620
01:26:12,267 --> 01:26:14,827
Speaker 12: As we take into four minutes of inational.

1621
01:26:14,467 --> 01:26:19,147
Speaker 10: Time, Gloria level and what on it happened to the Macalvern.

1622
01:26:18,707 --> 01:26:21,587
Speaker 2: Events yet two two the final score the playoff picture

1623
01:26:21,667 --> 01:26:25,267
Speaker 2: staying wide open. Wellington didn't help themselves though, falling at

1624
01:26:25,307 --> 01:26:27,387
Speaker 2: home to Melbourne victory to.

1625
01:26:27,507 --> 01:26:33,267
Speaker 19: Rego with the loop al eight Jelassic building nicely and

1626
01:26:33,467 --> 01:26:38,067
Speaker 19: a third of Melbourne victory off the head of Louis Dorrego.

1627
01:26:39,027 --> 01:26:44,067
Speaker 19: Melbourne victory increased their buffer and he's only just arrived

1628
01:26:44,587 --> 01:26:47,107
Speaker 19: yet three to the final score, Wellington stayed tenth.

1629
01:26:47,227 --> 01:26:49,147
Speaker 2: That's a tight table, but they need to start picking

1630
01:26:49,187 --> 01:26:52,067
Speaker 2: up some wins. Maybe they should take some inspiration from

1631
01:26:52,147 --> 01:26:56,587
Speaker 2: their women's side previously unscaled heights for the Phoenix women

1632
01:26:57,027 --> 01:27:00,107
Speaker 2: that've moved to the top of the A League women's ladder.

1633
01:27:00,187 --> 01:27:02,987
Speaker 18: These games can just change in the blink of a

1634
01:27:03,067 --> 01:27:08,507
Speaker 18: night or maybe on or is it the Kayla Woods?

1635
01:27:08,867 --> 01:27:12,827
Speaker 18: Is it a chance Woods? And there's the opener. It

1636
01:27:12,987 --> 01:27:15,067
Speaker 18: was a game that was crying out for a moment.

1637
01:27:15,307 --> 01:27:19,387
Speaker 18: Woods picks the pocket and rolls at home the yellow

1638
01:27:19,467 --> 01:27:22,507
Speaker 18: fever have something to celebrate.

1639
01:27:23,307 --> 01:27:28,267
Speaker 1: Breaking down the Hail Mary's and the epic fails Weekend

1640
01:27:28,387 --> 01:27:30,867
Speaker 1: Sport with Jason Hine News Talk.

1641
01:27:30,987 --> 01:27:35,187
Speaker 2: Zimby eleven after two. Yeah, the Wellington Phoenix women making

1642
01:27:35,827 --> 01:27:39,227
Speaker 2: a real play for the club's first piece of silverware,

1643
01:27:39,347 --> 01:27:42,027
Speaker 2: top of the A League Women's Ladder with seven regular

1644
01:27:42,107 --> 01:27:44,507
Speaker 2: season games to go and then into the finals BF

1645
01:27:44,587 --> 01:27:49,187
Speaker 2: Priestsman has got them playing beautifully, beautifully, so I keep

1646
01:27:49,227 --> 01:27:51,707
Speaker 2: an eye on the Wellington Phoenix women. Jason. That young

1647
01:27:51,827 --> 01:27:54,107
Speaker 2: Indian player scored one hundred and the IPO last year.

1648
01:27:54,147 --> 01:27:56,387
Speaker 2: That's right, he did, didn't he? I can't believe that

1649
01:27:56,547 --> 01:28:02,467
Speaker 2: young years fourteen? Crazy stuff. Let's continue our journey around

1650
01:28:02,467 --> 01:28:05,507
Speaker 2: the New Zealand based super rugby sides. It was something

1651
01:28:05,587 --> 01:28:09,467
Speaker 2: of a breakthrough season for Mawana Pacifica in twenty twenty five.

1652
01:28:09,547 --> 01:28:13,547
Speaker 2: They won six matches, including victories over the Hurricanes, the Highlanders,

1653
01:28:13,747 --> 01:28:15,707
Speaker 2: the Blues and the Crusaders.

1654
01:28:15,227 --> 01:28:24,827
Speaker 20: Palla Greedy, Mowana, Magnificence, Americule in March Fatano who Mugger's

1655
01:28:24,867 --> 01:28:30,467
Speaker 20: been for the first time? They beat the Crusaders and

1656
01:28:31,187 --> 01:28:35,267
Speaker 20: Christs full time forty five sweety nine.

1657
01:28:35,387 --> 01:28:38,347
Speaker 2: Yeah, just one of a number of memorable performances from

1658
01:28:38,387 --> 01:28:41,947
Speaker 2: Mawana Pacifica. Last year they finished seventh, just outside the

1659
01:28:41,987 --> 01:28:45,107
Speaker 2: playoff spots. They will open their twenty twenty six campaign

1660
01:28:45,347 --> 01:28:49,347
Speaker 2: up in Lautoka, up against the Fijian Druer in round

1661
01:28:49,467 --> 01:28:52,987
Speaker 2: one a week today. Mowanna Pacifica head coach is Tana Umanga,

1662
01:28:53,067 --> 01:28:55,627
Speaker 2: of course, who joins us now tona. Thanks for taking

1663
01:28:55,667 --> 01:28:58,267
Speaker 2: the time this afternoon. Twenty twenty five was your best

1664
01:28:58,387 --> 01:29:01,907
Speaker 2: ever season by quite some distance. So how do you

1665
01:29:01,987 --> 01:29:05,427
Speaker 2: push on to even greater heights in twenty twenty six?

1666
01:29:07,387 --> 01:29:11,867
Speaker 17: Hey, Jason, Yeah, that's the question really, and that's the

1667
01:29:11,987 --> 01:29:15,027
Speaker 17: challenge for our group. You know, how do we how

1668
01:29:15,067 --> 01:29:17,587
Speaker 17: do we push forward and take another step? And you

1669
01:29:17,667 --> 01:29:22,747
Speaker 17: know it's something that our group have been very aware of,

1670
01:29:23,867 --> 01:29:25,987
Speaker 17: not resting on last year's laurels. And last year was

1671
01:29:26,067 --> 01:29:28,547
Speaker 17: last year, and obviously our group was different last year,

1672
01:29:28,627 --> 01:29:31,947
Speaker 17: and you know, having the great man Arti sa he

1673
01:29:32,347 --> 01:29:34,187
Speaker 17: made a big difference for us both on and off

1674
01:29:34,187 --> 01:29:39,387
Speaker 17: the field. So we acknowledged that. And you know, we've

1675
01:29:39,427 --> 01:29:41,307
Speaker 17: had a group of plants that know that they have

1676
01:29:41,427 --> 01:29:43,987
Speaker 17: to step up, you know, take the learning from last year.

1677
01:29:44,067 --> 01:29:46,747
Speaker 17: But now they've they've got to make sure that they

1678
01:29:46,787 --> 01:29:49,627
Speaker 17: step into the breach and also the spaces that's been

1679
01:29:49,707 --> 01:29:52,507
Speaker 17: left behind by by Arti and by others that have

1680
01:29:52,627 --> 01:29:56,667
Speaker 17: moved on from our group. And you know, all accounts,

1681
01:29:57,787 --> 01:30:00,627
Speaker 17: I've been very happy with the way our group's stepped

1682
01:30:00,667 --> 01:30:00,987
Speaker 17: up to that.

1683
01:30:01,187 --> 01:30:03,227
Speaker 5: Our leaders have really pushed the envelope.

1684
01:30:04,427 --> 01:30:06,747
Speaker 17: But now you know, we had our first go hit

1685
01:30:06,827 --> 01:30:10,987
Speaker 17: out and yesterday, which was good. Good to actually get

1686
01:30:10,987 --> 01:30:13,787
Speaker 17: a game against someone else. You know, you getways, get

1687
01:30:13,827 --> 01:30:16,147
Speaker 17: sick of playing against each other or trading against each other,

1688
01:30:16,227 --> 01:30:19,867
Speaker 17: and uh, you know, there were some good things and

1689
01:30:19,907 --> 01:30:22,467
Speaker 17: obviously some work ons and you know it's going to

1690
01:30:22,507 --> 01:30:24,827
Speaker 17: be a true battle of the Pacific when we go

1691
01:30:25,027 --> 01:30:29,227
Speaker 17: up to Latoka and played our Fijian brothers over there.

1692
01:30:29,827 --> 01:30:31,947
Speaker 2: Yep, look forward to that next Saturday. Your squat done

1693
01:30:31,987 --> 01:30:35,187
Speaker 2: has had more player turnover than pretty much any other side.

1694
01:30:35,267 --> 01:30:37,627
Speaker 2: How have you handled that challenge as a coaching team.

1695
01:30:39,947 --> 01:30:41,307
Speaker 5: Oh, look, it's I think.

1696
01:30:41,187 --> 01:30:45,227
Speaker 17: That's part and parcel of you know, the landscape of Moana,

1697
01:30:45,347 --> 01:30:50,107
Speaker 17: and you know, we can provide opportunities for players and

1698
01:30:51,227 --> 01:30:54,907
Speaker 17: hopefully you know, like you know, it is a tough one.

1699
01:30:55,827 --> 01:30:57,507
Speaker 17: We say to our players, Look, you're not going to

1700
01:30:57,587 --> 01:30:59,347
Speaker 17: make your money with us, but you make a name

1701
01:30:59,947 --> 01:31:02,027
Speaker 17: and then the money will come from that. You know,

1702
01:31:02,147 --> 01:31:04,507
Speaker 17: we can give you opportunities to get your name out

1703
01:31:04,587 --> 01:31:06,307
Speaker 17: there and if you play well enough, you know who

1704
01:31:06,427 --> 01:31:09,547
Speaker 17: those who come knocking at your door. And uh, you

1705
01:31:09,627 --> 01:31:11,547
Speaker 17: know it was im for us last year for a

1706
01:31:11,627 --> 01:31:15,747
Speaker 17: few players that have gone over to to provide for

1707
01:31:15,827 --> 01:31:18,067
Speaker 17: their families, you know, and you know, make some money

1708
01:31:18,147 --> 01:31:21,787
Speaker 17: for them and in their futures. And again it just

1709
01:31:21,867 --> 01:31:25,107
Speaker 17: opens up other opportunities for for planers to come through.

1710
01:31:25,227 --> 01:31:28,187
Speaker 17: And you know that's I know, that's a big work

1711
01:31:28,227 --> 01:31:31,027
Speaker 17: on for all and and us ourselves is around creating

1712
01:31:31,067 --> 01:31:36,027
Speaker 17: those pathways underneath. So when when players do transition overseas

1713
01:31:36,627 --> 01:31:39,947
Speaker 17: all to other clubs, then we've got something coming through

1714
01:31:40,307 --> 01:31:45,347
Speaker 17: and our pathway team they've done a good job and

1715
01:31:45,467 --> 01:31:49,067
Speaker 17: we're just going to make sure that, you know, it comes.

1716
01:31:48,907 --> 01:31:49,787
Speaker 5: To fruition for us.

1717
01:31:51,027 --> 01:31:54,067
Speaker 2: You've also added at the top end, at the other

1718
01:31:54,187 --> 01:31:56,867
Speaker 2: end of the experienced scale, former All blacksmidfield and Nanni

1719
01:31:57,027 --> 01:31:59,987
Speaker 2: la mape How how has he fitted into the group?

1720
01:32:00,027 --> 01:32:01,467
Speaker 2: How important is he going to be for you?

1721
01:32:03,307 --> 01:32:07,307
Speaker 17: Oh, he's you know, he's I think we're quite fortunate

1722
01:32:07,387 --> 01:32:11,227
Speaker 17: and when guys arrive here, they fit in pretty well.

1723
01:32:11,467 --> 01:32:15,267
Speaker 17: You know, the cultures are what they're used to. They've

1724
01:32:15,307 --> 01:32:19,987
Speaker 17: all got you know, friends from from other other other teams,

1725
01:32:20,067 --> 01:32:21,907
Speaker 17: and you know that they've known the.

1726
01:32:21,987 --> 01:32:24,707
Speaker 5: Previous previous walks of life.

1727
01:32:24,827 --> 01:32:28,947
Speaker 17: So you know, he's fitting really well and mainly so

1728
01:32:29,067 --> 01:32:31,867
Speaker 17: understated himself. You know, he just wants to get and

1729
01:32:31,987 --> 01:32:35,347
Speaker 17: meet the guys. He wants to just show what he's

1730
01:32:35,387 --> 01:32:38,627
Speaker 17: worth with his actions. But you know everyone gives them

1731
01:32:38,667 --> 01:32:41,507
Speaker 17: the utmost respect as you do with someone that's achieved

1732
01:32:41,547 --> 01:32:47,387
Speaker 17: what Nane has achieved. And you know he's really d

1733
01:32:47,867 --> 01:32:51,707
Speaker 17: led really well for us. He's coming good Nick, and

1734
01:32:52,187 --> 01:32:55,947
Speaker 17: he's just coming. He's he's a competitor and I think

1735
01:32:55,987 --> 01:32:59,027
Speaker 17: that's what he enjoys. And I think our players, like

1736
01:32:59,427 --> 01:33:01,347
Speaker 17: you know that they know that he's going to push them.

1737
01:33:01,347 --> 01:33:03,147
Speaker 17: When he's pushing them, he's pushing himself as well.

1738
01:33:03,907 --> 01:33:05,787
Speaker 2: You scored plenty of points last year. Time of It

1739
01:33:05,827 --> 01:33:08,707
Speaker 2: also can seated a few. How much of a work

1740
01:33:08,787 --> 01:33:10,107
Speaker 2: on has your defense been?

1741
01:33:12,107 --> 01:33:15,147
Speaker 17: Yeah, yeah, you know that has been a bit of

1742
01:33:15,187 --> 01:33:18,507
Speaker 17: a focal point for us, and we're still growing there.

1743
01:33:21,507 --> 01:33:24,707
Speaker 17: Alondas has done a great job and really pushing you know,

1744
01:33:24,907 --> 01:33:29,507
Speaker 17: some standards around that and you know, like you said,

1745
01:33:29,507 --> 01:33:31,507
Speaker 17: we can score points, it's just trying to stop people

1746
01:33:31,547 --> 01:33:32,787
Speaker 17: scoring points where.

1747
01:33:35,307 --> 01:33:36,307
Speaker 5: That is the key for us.

1748
01:33:36,387 --> 01:33:39,427
Speaker 17: And obviously if you want to go further into the postseason,

1749
01:33:39,987 --> 01:33:41,747
Speaker 17: you know, you see the lights of the top teams,

1750
01:33:41,827 --> 01:33:43,907
Speaker 17: that's when they really put the screws in around their

1751
01:33:43,947 --> 01:33:47,387
Speaker 17: defense and so you know we're no different. So it

1752
01:33:47,507 --> 01:33:51,627
Speaker 17: is an area that we're hopefully we can wreckfy the season.

1753
01:33:52,427 --> 01:33:55,067
Speaker 2: How do you fill the gap left by Addie Savia?

1754
01:33:56,627 --> 01:34:00,307
Speaker 17: Oh look, we boast it right right at the start

1755
01:34:00,667 --> 01:34:04,147
Speaker 17: our first day together. You know, no one can through

1756
01:34:04,227 --> 01:34:07,227
Speaker 17: that space, no one person. So I think it's a

1757
01:34:07,307 --> 01:34:09,947
Speaker 17: collective effort. You know, we talked around everyone has to

1758
01:34:09,987 --> 01:34:12,587
Speaker 17: step up, and as I mentioned before, our leaders have

1759
01:34:12,707 --> 01:34:15,827
Speaker 17: done that. You know, they're stepping up. You know, that's

1760
01:34:16,587 --> 01:34:19,227
Speaker 17: it's still a big shadow to have hanging over us.

1761
01:34:19,427 --> 01:34:22,827
Speaker 17: But our boys, you know, they embrace that because they know,

1762
01:34:23,267 --> 01:34:28,307
Speaker 17: you know that they can call upon you know, you know,

1763
01:34:28,347 --> 01:34:29,787
Speaker 17: one of the best players in the world at the

1764
01:34:29,867 --> 01:34:33,707
Speaker 17: moment until seek his advice, you know, So it doesn't

1765
01:34:33,747 --> 01:34:37,827
Speaker 17: become a shadow, it's one that they actually where it

1766
01:34:37,907 --> 01:34:40,827
Speaker 17: was pride that they've been able to play with Artie

1767
01:34:40,867 --> 01:34:43,227
Speaker 17: Severe and also you know, obviously we've got his brother here,

1768
01:34:43,267 --> 01:34:45,267
Speaker 17: but also they can call upon him whenever they want.

1769
01:34:45,827 --> 01:34:47,347
Speaker 17: And Artie is such a great man that you know,

1770
01:34:47,427 --> 01:34:52,027
Speaker 17: he he's still available to our players if they want

1771
01:34:52,067 --> 01:34:55,067
Speaker 17: to chat and and things like that. So you know,

1772
01:34:55,227 --> 01:35:01,467
Speaker 17: I think you know that obviously he would shadow would

1773
01:35:01,627 --> 01:35:04,387
Speaker 17: loan large over most, but I think for us, you know,

1774
01:35:04,507 --> 01:35:07,947
Speaker 17: we see it as a as I said, it gives

1775
01:35:07,987 --> 01:35:09,987
Speaker 17: our boys confidence that they know they've got someone like

1776
01:35:10,067 --> 01:35:12,907
Speaker 17: that in their corner. And also, you know, someone like

1777
01:35:12,987 --> 01:35:14,867
Speaker 17: it that we don't want to let down.

1778
01:35:14,907 --> 01:35:16,347
Speaker 5: Who's you know again, what he.

1779
01:35:16,387 --> 01:35:21,747
Speaker 17: Did for us last year, you know, and amongst amongst

1780
01:35:21,747 --> 01:35:24,747
Speaker 17: a lot of people that were trying to turn them

1781
01:35:24,747 --> 01:35:28,587
Speaker 17: away from coming to Moana, he stuck to his guns

1782
01:35:28,627 --> 01:35:32,467
Speaker 17: and his beliefs, and you know it didn't affect him

1783
01:35:32,587 --> 01:35:34,627
Speaker 17: or his play, you know, once he left us. So

1784
01:35:34,987 --> 01:35:37,427
Speaker 17: you know that's something for us to take confidence from.

1785
01:35:38,067 --> 01:35:41,307
Speaker 2: So in terms of the leadership, Miracle Fight Alungy is

1786
01:35:41,387 --> 01:35:44,547
Speaker 2: your twenty twenty six skipper. What are the leadership qualities

1787
01:35:44,627 --> 01:35:47,307
Speaker 2: you saw in him that that led you to hand

1788
01:35:47,347 --> 01:35:49,227
Speaker 2: the armbands over to Miracle.

1789
01:35:51,307 --> 01:35:57,307
Speaker 17: Look, I think miracles are very you know, again, he

1790
01:35:57,507 --> 01:35:59,467
Speaker 17: doesn't say a lot, but when he does speak, you

1791
01:35:59,587 --> 01:36:04,747
Speaker 17: just see that the players respect what he says. He

1792
01:36:05,027 --> 01:36:08,227
Speaker 17: has a real empathy for the whole team and he

1793
01:36:08,347 --> 01:36:11,667
Speaker 17: wants to He has a good feel around what the

1794
01:36:11,787 --> 01:36:15,387
Speaker 17: team needs, not just himself or not what certain players need,

1795
01:36:15,867 --> 01:36:19,587
Speaker 17: and he's willing to stand up for that, you know,

1796
01:36:19,867 --> 01:36:22,587
Speaker 17: and my and my discussions with him. Obviously he's still

1797
01:36:22,587 --> 01:36:25,147
Speaker 17: a young you know, it's new for him, so it's

1798
01:36:25,187 --> 01:36:26,387
Speaker 17: going to take him a little.

1799
01:36:26,147 --> 01:36:28,627
Speaker 5: Bit to sell in that role.

1800
01:36:28,667 --> 01:36:31,907
Speaker 17: But he's got good support around him and some old

1801
01:36:31,987 --> 01:36:35,027
Speaker 17: heads that will help him through that. And you know,

1802
01:36:35,147 --> 01:36:38,907
Speaker 17: we're expecting him to grow into this role. And you know,

1803
01:36:40,347 --> 01:36:45,307
Speaker 17: he also for me, you know, he's one of our

1804
01:36:45,347 --> 01:36:47,347
Speaker 17: best players in our team, and that's got to be

1805
01:36:47,467 --> 01:36:52,187
Speaker 17: part of, you know, the leadership. You know, first and foremost,

1806
01:36:52,227 --> 01:36:53,627
Speaker 17: you're a player, and.

1807
01:36:55,347 --> 01:36:56,107
Speaker 6: He is that.

1808
01:36:57,027 --> 01:37:00,867
Speaker 17: He's one of our most outstanding players and so that

1809
01:37:01,067 --> 01:37:03,627
Speaker 17: that gains a little lot of respect from those around him.

1810
01:37:03,627 --> 01:37:05,587
Speaker 17: And as long as he can focus on that role

1811
01:37:05,707 --> 01:37:07,907
Speaker 17: first and foremost, and then the leadership will come with it.

1812
01:37:08,627 --> 01:37:11,587
Speaker 2: That world respect. Tonna, do you think last year was

1813
01:37:11,627 --> 01:37:15,427
Speaker 2: the year more Onana Pacific had gained the respect of

1814
01:37:15,547 --> 01:37:16,987
Speaker 2: everybody else in the competition.

1815
01:37:19,147 --> 01:37:21,867
Speaker 17: Yeah, I think we did. I think we did. And now,

1816
01:37:22,107 --> 01:37:24,947
Speaker 17: you know, like for us, we've got to back that up.

1817
01:37:25,347 --> 01:37:27,147
Speaker 17: You know, like I said, last year was last year

1818
01:37:29,027 --> 01:37:32,387
Speaker 17: and now you know, I think that respect now is

1819
01:37:32,427 --> 01:37:35,307
Speaker 17: probably well that was just because Ardie Savier was here

1820
01:37:35,347 --> 01:37:38,227
Speaker 17: with us, you know, and now the artist's gone. I

1821
01:37:38,307 --> 01:37:41,187
Speaker 17: think we have to in more respect now, you know,

1822
01:37:41,347 --> 01:37:43,507
Speaker 17: like just because Artie was here and now we've got

1823
01:37:43,547 --> 01:37:47,547
Speaker 17: a new group Artie's not here. I think they'll think, oh, well,

1824
01:37:47,587 --> 01:37:49,427
Speaker 17: they're just going to go back to where they were before.

1825
01:37:49,747 --> 01:37:52,067
Speaker 17: And that's something that we, you know.

1826
01:37:52,507 --> 01:37:54,947
Speaker 5: We've got to talk about and we've talked about and.

1827
01:37:55,267 --> 01:37:57,587
Speaker 17: They need to understand that this new wave of player

1828
01:37:58,187 --> 01:37:59,587
Speaker 17: has to earn their respect again.

1829
01:38:00,827 --> 01:38:02,747
Speaker 2: See, there's gonna be some occasion up in Left Token

1830
01:38:02,827 --> 01:38:04,947
Speaker 2: next week, isn't it. You're looking forward to starting your

1831
01:38:04,987 --> 01:38:05,747
Speaker 2: season in that way?

1832
01:38:07,507 --> 01:38:08,907
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I'm fine with me.

1833
01:38:09,027 --> 01:38:12,307
Speaker 17: They've got new Totus boxes up there that they got

1834
01:38:12,347 --> 01:38:13,187
Speaker 17: air conditioning, and.

1835
01:38:16,867 --> 01:38:20,427
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean yeah, yeah, I mean obviously the heat,

1836
01:38:20,467 --> 01:38:22,867
Speaker 2: but I mean that seems like a really really I

1837
01:38:23,107 --> 01:38:25,467
Speaker 2: like that we're starting with a Pacific Derby like this.

1838
01:38:25,947 --> 01:38:27,427
Speaker 2: I mean, are you boys looking forward to it?

1839
01:38:28,627 --> 01:38:28,827
Speaker 13: Yeah?

1840
01:38:29,067 --> 01:38:31,627
Speaker 17: Yeah, no again you you know, you've got to embrace

1841
01:38:31,667 --> 01:38:32,427
Speaker 17: the whole occasion.

1842
01:38:32,587 --> 01:38:32,747
Speaker 6: You know.

1843
01:38:32,907 --> 01:38:36,107
Speaker 17: I think, as I said right at the start, the

1844
01:38:37,027 --> 01:38:40,187
Speaker 17: you know, having the two Pacific nations that have been

1845
01:38:40,267 --> 01:38:46,947
Speaker 17: incorporated into you know, the super Rugby Pacific is it

1846
01:38:47,147 --> 01:38:50,027
Speaker 17: was a great idea, you know. And obviously it's not

1847
01:38:50,187 --> 01:38:52,147
Speaker 17: ideal that we're going up to the loads ok in

1848
01:38:52,227 --> 01:38:54,587
Speaker 17: the in the midst of the heat there, but that's

1849
01:38:54,747 --> 01:38:55,307
Speaker 17: just part of it.

1850
01:38:55,467 --> 01:38:56,627
Speaker 16: And you know how.

1851
01:38:58,907 --> 01:39:01,547
Speaker 17: Going up to Fiji and you know what what what

1852
01:39:01,987 --> 01:39:04,467
Speaker 17: how they love rugby and I think it's you know

1853
01:39:04,747 --> 01:39:06,667
Speaker 17: what you say, it's it's an occasion to be braced

1854
01:39:06,747 --> 01:39:08,867
Speaker 17: by us and we know it's going to be hard,

1855
01:39:09,107 --> 01:39:11,387
Speaker 17: you know, and you know we haven't been done any

1856
01:39:11,507 --> 01:39:14,107
Speaker 17: favors in our draw around. Then we come back and

1857
01:39:14,307 --> 01:39:15,867
Speaker 17: have a short turn around before we've got to go

1858
01:39:15,947 --> 01:39:19,107
Speaker 17: back down to Wellington and play them. So you know,

1859
01:39:19,907 --> 01:39:23,427
Speaker 17: these are just part of the child and tribulations that

1860
01:39:24,227 --> 01:39:26,907
Speaker 17: both our sides have to go through. Again, you're just

1861
01:39:26,947 --> 01:39:27,907
Speaker 17: going to embrace.

1862
01:39:27,587 --> 01:39:28,667
Speaker 6: It and go for it.

1863
01:39:28,987 --> 01:39:31,347
Speaker 2: Great approach, great to chat has always Tana. Thanks for

1864
01:39:31,387 --> 01:39:32,947
Speaker 2: taking the time on the eve of the new season.

1865
01:39:32,987 --> 01:39:35,107
Speaker 2: Look forward to catching up across the next few months

1866
01:39:35,187 --> 01:39:38,707
Speaker 2: or so. No, j you take care, you take care too,

1867
01:39:38,787 --> 01:39:40,747
Speaker 2: Tan of thanks and d A tana Umaga there of

1868
01:39:40,867 --> 01:39:45,027
Speaker 2: course the unmistakable voice of the great man, the head

1869
01:39:45,067 --> 01:39:47,987
Speaker 2: coach of Majana Pacifica. That'll be the big question, why

1870
01:39:47,987 --> 01:39:51,827
Speaker 2: don't how do you do it without Ardie another great man? Well,

1871
01:39:52,187 --> 01:39:54,427
Speaker 2: I guess that's the challenge for tana Umanga and he's

1872
01:39:54,467 --> 01:39:57,227
Speaker 2: never been shy of one. So yeah. First up for

1873
01:39:57,867 --> 01:40:00,987
Speaker 2: Maana Pacifica is that trip up to Toka where I

1874
01:40:01,067 --> 01:40:02,787
Speaker 2: get the feeling it'll be in the in the mid

1875
01:40:02,907 --> 01:40:06,987
Speaker 2: thirties there at Churchill Park next week when One Pacific

1876
01:40:07,027 --> 01:40:10,227
Speaker 2: could take on the Fiji and Drewer. Then back down

1877
01:40:10,347 --> 01:40:13,147
Speaker 2: to Wellington. That's the hurricanes first game. The Hurricanes have

1878
01:40:13,227 --> 01:40:16,067
Speaker 2: the buy. First up on the night of Friday, February

1879
01:40:16,147 --> 01:40:18,627
Speaker 2: the twentieth, the Hurricanes against my ONEA Pacifica. That'll be

1880
01:40:18,667 --> 01:40:22,587
Speaker 2: the return of Larni lal Marpe to Hurricanes country where

1881
01:40:22,627 --> 01:40:25,627
Speaker 2: he was so prominent. Then at home to the Force

1882
01:40:26,027 --> 01:40:30,587
Speaker 2: for round three, away to the Chiefs and then away

1883
01:40:30,787 --> 01:40:33,947
Speaker 2: at the Blues. That's the first five matches for more

1884
01:40:33,987 --> 01:40:37,827
Speaker 2: ONEA PACIFICA in Super Rugby Pacific twenty twenty six. Just

1885
01:40:37,867 --> 01:40:40,787
Speaker 2: a quick check on the game happening at Jerry Collins

1886
01:40:40,827 --> 01:40:45,747
Speaker 2: Stadium Bodydowa Park. There past the hour mark and the

1887
01:40:45,827 --> 01:40:49,387
Speaker 2: Chiefs led at twenty four to nil, no points for

1888
01:40:49,427 --> 01:40:52,307
Speaker 2: the Hurricanes and sixty five minutes of rugby. I know

1889
01:40:52,387 --> 01:40:55,227
Speaker 2: it's pre season, but I guess that would suggest that

1890
01:40:55,347 --> 01:40:58,147
Speaker 2: maybe things will be a bit more open. Chiefs up

1891
01:40:58,187 --> 01:41:01,827
Speaker 2: twenty four noil over the Hurricanes with about twenty fifteen

1892
01:41:01,867 --> 01:41:04,627
Speaker 2: twenty minutes to go. We'll talk to both head coaches tomorrow,

1893
01:41:04,667 --> 01:41:08,547
Speaker 2: Clarke Laidlaw out of the Hurricanes and John o'gibbs brand

1894
01:41:08,547 --> 01:41:12,147
Speaker 2: new head coach of the Chiefs. Two twenty four, when

1895
01:41:12,187 --> 01:41:15,427
Speaker 2: we come back, will get you to Italy where the

1896
01:41:15,867 --> 01:41:20,107
Speaker 2: Winter Olympics are underway. The opening ceremony this morning. A

1897
01:41:20,187 --> 01:41:23,027
Speaker 2: bit of competition is already underway, including three of our

1898
01:41:23,107 --> 01:41:25,787
Speaker 2: kiwis who have done very well and in their first

1899
01:41:26,707 --> 01:41:29,547
Speaker 2: in their first action of the games. There's some curling

1900
01:41:29,667 --> 01:41:33,027
Speaker 2: going on, but high optimism about what the Metal Hall

1901
01:41:33,187 --> 01:41:37,467
Speaker 2: might be for this very promising generation of snow sporters

1902
01:41:37,627 --> 01:41:42,547
Speaker 2: out of New Zealand and Wilcox, former Winter Olympian herself,

1903
01:41:42,867 --> 01:41:45,347
Speaker 2: is now part of Sky's broadcast team. She's going to

1904
01:41:45,427 --> 01:41:48,107
Speaker 2: join us to give us a preview of the Winter

1905
01:41:48,187 --> 01:41:50,747
Speaker 2: Games from a New Zealand perspective when we come back

1906
01:41:50,787 --> 01:41:51,587
Speaker 2: here on Weekend.

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Speaker 1: Sport The Tough Questions Off the Turf Weekend Sport with

1908
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Speaker 1: Jason Paine and GJ. Gunnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder,

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Speaker 1: News Talks B.

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Speaker 2: Two twenty eight here on News TALKSB and Weekend Sport.

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Speaker 2: Just a reminder that next this weekend we're coming to

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Speaker 2: your life from salgp Auckland. The second edition of SALGP

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Speaker 2: on the Waitemata Harbor will be parked up in our

1914
01:42:16,027 --> 01:42:19,227
Speaker 2: purpose built studio overlooking the race course. Looking forward to

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Speaker 2: that between midday and three next Saturday and again on Sunday,

1916
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Speaker 2: all of the big names from SALGP and all of

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Speaker 2: the on and off the water action for you as

1918
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Speaker 2: we broadcast the show live both days from sale gp Auckland.

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Speaker 2: The Winter Olympics underway in Milan, Courtina, Italy. New Zealand

1920
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Speaker 2: has a strong chance to produce its best metal haul

1921
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Speaker 2: ever with a new Golden Generation of skiers and snowboarders.

1922
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Speaker 2: Arna Wilcox competed for New Zealand at the twenty fourteen

1923
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Speaker 2: Winter Olympics in Sochi in the women's slope style event.

1924
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Speaker 2: She's on the ground in Italy covering the Winter Games

1925
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Speaker 2: for sky Sport. You can see it all on sky

1926
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Speaker 2: Sport Gold, which has been the rebrand of Skysport three

1927
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Speaker 2: for the duration of of the Winter Olympics. Ana Wilcox

1928
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Speaker 2: as well SONA. Can we start with the snowboard big

1929
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Speaker 2: air qualification yesterday for the men's final tomorrow morning, New

1930
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Speaker 2: Zealand time. All three Kiwi's made it through to the final,

1931
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Speaker 2: Leon Sorry, Lyon Ferrell, Dane Menzie's and rock O Jamison.

1932
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Speaker 2: How big a surprise was it that they all went through?

1933
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Speaker 2: And how cool is it.

1934
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Speaker 6: That they did? Yeah?

1935
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Speaker 21: It as the incredible. Last night's qualification was just amazing

1936
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Speaker 21: and so thrilling with Lyon Farrell throwing it down in

1937
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Speaker 21: the last on his last run to get the to

1938
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Speaker 21: get into that last into that final spot. And I'd

1939
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Speaker 21: spoke to one of the head coaches actually earlier today

1940
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Speaker 21: and he told me that that's actually never happened before.

1941
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Speaker 21: And news on history, how we had three men in

1942
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Speaker 21: the snowboard final and even a World Cup. So the

1943
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Speaker 21: fact that this is happening here at the Olympic Games,

1944
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Speaker 21: I mean, what a way to start the games?

1945
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Speaker 2: Absolutely right, So are they metal prospects? I guess it's

1946
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Speaker 2: a twelve man final, isn't it, So they have to

1947
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Speaker 2: be in the mix at least, don't they.

1948
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Speaker 21: They're one hundred percent in the max for sure. So

1949
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Speaker 21: Rocco has like they all kind of have tricks in

1950
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Speaker 21: this up their sleeve, right, So there's about five of

1951
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Speaker 21: them who sort of have I think it's a because

1952
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Speaker 21: there's so many spins. I'm trying to get my head straight.

1953
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Speaker 21: They were doing eighteen hundreds yesterday, so they've got nine.

1954
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Speaker 21: Roco put a nineteen hundred down and then he can

1955
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Speaker 21: add to that as well. So Roco definitely has tricks

1956
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Speaker 21: in the bag to get on that podium. Obviously, it's

1957
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Speaker 21: anyone's game at the end of the day, Like, the

1958
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Speaker 21: pressure's on these boys. They've got three runs, like, but

1959
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Speaker 21: they've got a land two of those runs in two

1960
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Speaker 21: different directions, so it's really tricky. So they all I

1961
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Speaker 21: would say it's anyone's game, including al Kimi boys to

1962
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Speaker 21: get on that podium.

1963
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Speaker 2: All right, So breakfast time viewing back here in New

1964
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Speaker 2: Zealand eight thirty tomorrow morning. Let's look at some of

1965
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Speaker 2: the metal contenders for New Zealand. The other ones. Zoe

1966
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Speaker 2: Sadowski Senate. Of course we we gravitate to her looking

1967
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Speaker 2: to defend her Olympic title and the women's snowboard slope

1968
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Speaker 2: style watch outs together as she favorite to do that.

1969
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Speaker 21: Yeah, she's definitely a podium favorite. There's actually three girls

1970
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Speaker 21: at the moment, Miya Brooks and Kokomo Marasi and Zoe

1971
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Speaker 21: Sudarski Senate who lately have sort of been like mixing

1972
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Speaker 21: up on the podium. All three of them you would

1973
01:45:22,387 --> 01:45:23,867
Speaker 21: assume would be on that podium. It is in what

1974
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Speaker 21: it's going to be. But yeah, it's going to be

1975
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Speaker 21: an incredible event as well. But I just tomorrow it's

1976
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Speaker 21: seven thirty am New Zealand time, not eight thirty, So

1977
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Speaker 21: make sure you chew them because it will be incredible.

1978
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Speaker 2: Oh well, that's good. I almost put people wrong and

1979
01:45:38,507 --> 01:45:40,707
Speaker 2: they would have woken up to miss it all all right. Well,

1980
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Speaker 2: just back to Zoe of course, she's in the women's

1981
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Speaker 2: snowboard Big Air as well. Silver medal four years ago,

1982
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Speaker 2: a couple of World Cup events she's won since. I mean,

1983
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Speaker 2: I don't think that's her favorite event, is that it's

1984
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Speaker 2: the it's the slope style, which is her favorite event.

1985
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Speaker 2: But a metal chance surely in the big air as well.

1986
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Speaker 21: Oh no, definitely, Like I think you know, she would argue,

1987
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Speaker 21: I don't know if she'd even have her favorite. I

1988
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Speaker 21: think she's just you know, had obviously, again credible results

1989
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Speaker 21: in that slope stuff. But she got a silver medal

1990
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Speaker 21: two weeks ago at X Games in the big air,

1991
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Speaker 21: so I mean she's and she also had back to

1992
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Speaker 21: back poems at x Gams in the last few years,

1993
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Speaker 21: so in the big air, so I think you know she.

1994
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Speaker 3: Has it in her that's for sure.

1995
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Speaker 2: You got the twin brothers there, the Melville Ives. Let's

1996
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Speaker 2: start with Finn in the men's freestyle skiing halfpike you

1997
01:46:27,507 --> 01:46:31,467
Speaker 2: know X Games recently he won goal there. They switched

1998
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Speaker 2: double court fourteen forty. He'd never done that before in competition.

1999
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Speaker 2: What goes through an athlete's mind down and when they're

2000
01:46:38,307 --> 01:46:40,667
Speaker 2: putting down a trick for the very first time in

2001
01:46:40,747 --> 01:46:42,547
Speaker 2: such a high pressure competition.

2002
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Speaker 21: I mean, honestly, so so for in this situation like that,

2003
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Speaker 21: and it happened with Rocco yesterday as well. It's like

2004
01:46:48,387 --> 01:46:51,347
Speaker 21: when you've landed, the plan A has gone down, you know,

2005
01:46:51,507 --> 01:46:53,667
Speaker 21: plan A has happened, You've put down the tricks that

2006
01:46:53,747 --> 01:46:55,907
Speaker 21: you want to then you can build on that. So

2007
01:46:56,027 --> 01:46:58,667
Speaker 21: then it's like and often obviously in those situations, you're

2008
01:46:58,827 --> 01:47:01,267
Speaker 21: you're you're feeling confident, you're feeling good, you're in the

2009
01:47:01,387 --> 01:47:04,467
Speaker 21: good mindset, so like you've really stepped up to the occasion.

2010
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Speaker 21: So we saw that of course with Finn and saught

2011
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Speaker 21: with Rocker yesterday, so and we saw it at X

2012
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Speaker 21: Games as well a couple of weeks ago with Rocker

2013
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Speaker 21: he put down a trick he had never done before

2014
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Speaker 21: as well. So yeah, it's all about I know it

2015
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Speaker 21: sounds cliche in these sports, but it is all about

2016
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Speaker 21: the vibe and it's how they're feeling and if they're

2017
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Speaker 21: if they're in, if they're feeling it, they're just going

2018
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Speaker 21: to go for it and they're often going to land.

2019
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Speaker 2: You know, Luca Harrington, he's got to be a genuine

2020
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Speaker 2: gold medal threat, doesn't he in both the events that

2021
01:47:30,667 --> 01:47:33,507
Speaker 2: he's in the freestyle skiing, slope style and the big

2022
01:47:33,587 --> 01:47:36,707
Speaker 2: Air has to be a genuine medal chance.

2023
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Speaker 21: Yes, one d percent. I would say that he's the

2024
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Speaker 21: current big world champion at the moment. He's also incredibly

2025
01:47:44,467 --> 01:47:47,867
Speaker 21: talented at spinning really fast actually on slightly smaller jumps.

2026
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Speaker 21: That's why I think, you know, because often these bigger

2027
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Speaker 21: events are you know, they're in the city and they're

2028
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Speaker 21: on scaffolding jumps, so they're maybe slightly smaller than something

2029
01:47:54,187 --> 01:47:56,147
Speaker 21: you would find on the mountain. So he's you know,

2030
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Speaker 21: it's in his favor this jump that he's got here,

2031
01:47:58,707 --> 01:48:03,387
Speaker 21: and he's incredible, incredibly talented, and obviously he also knows

2032
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Speaker 21: how to put it down under pressure, as does Zoe.

2033
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Speaker 21: You know, we've got these riders. But I'm also really

2034
01:48:08,547 --> 01:48:12,307
Speaker 21: excited see Finn's brother Cam haveblives in the snowboard half

2035
01:48:12,347 --> 01:48:15,627
Speaker 21: fight because he has some incredible treks up as sleeve

2036
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Speaker 21: that that will one hundred percent top of that podium

2037
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Speaker 21: if he can land.

2038
01:48:19,867 --> 01:48:21,507
Speaker 2: All right, We'll watch out for the twin brothers. I

2039
01:48:21,507 --> 01:48:23,907
Speaker 2: want to ask you too about Alice Robinson. Of course,

2040
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Speaker 2: she's in alpine skiing the Giant Slalom and the Super

2041
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Speaker 2: g G. What a roller coaster of a career, Alice

2042
01:48:30,147 --> 01:48:32,827
Speaker 2: Robinson has had. She she had a terrific twenty twenty

2043
01:48:32,867 --> 01:48:35,707
Speaker 2: five couple of fools to start this year. Anna, will

2044
01:48:35,747 --> 01:48:38,947
Speaker 2: that be at all a factor in her mental state

2045
01:48:39,067 --> 01:48:40,067
Speaker 2: going into these games?

2046
01:48:41,227 --> 01:48:44,787
Speaker 21: Well, I'm sure, but we just heard today that she

2047
01:48:44,987 --> 01:48:48,267
Speaker 21: had her first practice and she she got thirteenth in

2048
01:48:48,347 --> 01:48:48,827
Speaker 21: that practice.

2049
01:48:48,867 --> 01:48:49,627
Speaker 3: I think that's what they caused.

2050
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Speaker 21: So they kind of ranked them as they go, you know,

2051
01:48:51,507 --> 01:48:53,867
Speaker 21: in that order, and her coach was incredibly happy with

2052
01:48:53,947 --> 01:48:55,747
Speaker 21: that because you don't want to obviously peak to early.

2053
01:48:55,867 --> 01:48:58,267
Speaker 21: So that's kind of perfect ranking to get to be

2054
01:48:58,387 --> 01:49:00,707
Speaker 21: in that podium contention. So it seems to me that

2055
01:49:00,827 --> 01:49:03,267
Speaker 21: she's feeling confident on the course over in COURTEENA.

2056
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Speaker 6: So I think we could, you know, fingers.

2057
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Speaker 21: Crossed for her because obvious, like you say, she's no

2058
01:49:07,747 --> 01:49:11,027
Speaker 21: stranger to the podium. Obviously the Olympics is you know,

2059
01:49:11,987 --> 01:49:15,427
Speaker 21: is a different beast, but she one has it in.

2060
01:49:15,467 --> 01:49:18,587
Speaker 2: Her Giant slalom's her I guess favorite event, isn't it.

2061
01:49:18,667 --> 01:49:21,627
Speaker 2: But she's been getting some good results in Super G

2062
01:49:21,827 --> 01:49:24,387
Speaker 2: as well. I know they I mean there's similar, bit different,

2063
01:49:24,427 --> 01:49:26,787
Speaker 2: don't they. But is she as much of a chance

2064
01:49:27,227 --> 01:49:29,547
Speaker 2: in Super G as she might be in Giant Slalom.

2065
01:49:30,427 --> 01:49:32,907
Speaker 21: Well, she's proved that she is the season, so I think,

2066
01:49:32,987 --> 01:49:35,227
Speaker 21: you know, she said in her she said before that

2067
01:49:35,627 --> 01:49:37,827
Speaker 21: something is sort of like clicking for her and Super G.

2068
01:49:38,027 --> 01:49:40,507
Speaker 21: And from what I know, super G is up first

2069
01:49:40,587 --> 01:49:42,547
Speaker 21: for her, which I think is actually a really good

2070
01:49:42,587 --> 01:49:44,827
Speaker 21: thing because you know, she could build from that confidence

2071
01:49:45,027 --> 01:49:47,347
Speaker 21: a result in SUPERG. So it's almost like the precious

2072
01:49:47,347 --> 01:49:49,787
Speaker 21: slightly off maybe firsthand, which is which is great, you

2073
01:49:49,827 --> 01:49:51,587
Speaker 21: know what I mean, and then she can build a

2074
01:49:51,667 --> 01:49:53,467
Speaker 21: momentum from that into Giant Salem.

2075
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Speaker 2: All right, And just finally the one. The final athlete

2076
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Speaker 2: I want to ask you about is Luke Harold and

2077
01:49:57,907 --> 01:50:01,067
Speaker 2: the men's freestyle skiing halfpipe gold medal at the Youth Olympics.

2078
01:50:01,107 --> 01:50:04,347
Speaker 2: I mean, they're also young, these athletes, aren't They could

2079
01:50:04,347 --> 01:50:06,787
Speaker 2: he challenge for the podium as well, Carold?

2080
01:50:07,747 --> 01:50:10,627
Speaker 21: They definitely can. So he he has a switch triple.

2081
01:50:10,667 --> 01:50:12,347
Speaker 21: Oh no, he has I'm not sure if his trutch,

2082
01:50:12,387 --> 01:50:15,027
Speaker 21: but he has a triple. He's the only skier in

2083
01:50:15,067 --> 01:50:17,707
Speaker 21: the entire world who's ever landed out. He landed it

2084
01:50:17,747 --> 01:50:21,467
Speaker 21: at the World Championships last year, so he I think,

2085
01:50:21,547 --> 01:50:24,187
Speaker 21: you know, he has he's a serious middle contender, and

2086
01:50:24,547 --> 01:50:27,387
Speaker 21: it's so I think I think it's he's really exciting.

2087
01:50:27,467 --> 01:50:29,507
Speaker 21: I think, you know, to be watching and it's been

2088
01:50:29,587 --> 01:50:32,907
Speaker 21: awesome to see those two push each other, you know,

2089
01:50:33,107 --> 01:50:33,867
Speaker 21: really push each other.

2090
01:50:33,907 --> 01:50:34,627
Speaker 2: They're good mates.

2091
01:50:34,787 --> 01:50:38,267
Speaker 21: They're really different personalities, but they're but they're face competitors

2092
01:50:38,907 --> 01:50:41,987
Speaker 21: and you can tell, I think how much they're helping

2093
01:50:42,067 --> 01:50:44,427
Speaker 21: each other, you know what I mean, apart.

2094
01:50:44,187 --> 01:50:46,947
Speaker 2: From Cold, How was it over there? What's it like?

2095
01:50:47,307 --> 01:50:50,027
Speaker 21: Yeah, yeah, Cold is definitely right. But it's it's it's

2096
01:50:50,107 --> 01:50:53,267
Speaker 21: so exciting. It's the buzz is really happening in Lavigno.

2097
01:50:53,387 --> 01:50:55,747
Speaker 21: There's all the athletes, of course, looking walking around where

2098
01:50:55,747 --> 01:50:57,707
Speaker 21: you were just at the New Zealand Lodge, which is

2099
01:50:57,747 --> 01:51:00,227
Speaker 21: this amazing place. Literally you can see the big ear

2100
01:51:00,307 --> 01:51:03,187
Speaker 21: from it right in town. We had seventy of friends

2101
01:51:03,227 --> 01:51:06,187
Speaker 21: and family from the athletes all there today to celebrate

2102
01:51:06,347 --> 01:51:09,107
Speaker 21: our flag bearers before the ceremony, which is of course

2103
01:51:09,187 --> 01:51:12,467
Speaker 21: Zoe Sdarski Senate and Ben Barclay. So it was amazing

2104
01:51:12,547 --> 01:51:14,747
Speaker 21: to see the a hakka and a kind of kia

2105
01:51:14,907 --> 01:51:17,227
Speaker 21: and it was just a beautiful moment to have all

2106
01:51:17,267 --> 01:51:20,667
Speaker 21: these kiwis here in Libinho. It just felt like a

2107
01:51:20,747 --> 01:51:21,547
Speaker 21: little piece of home.

2108
01:51:21,947 --> 01:51:24,747
Speaker 2: Amazing, What an exciting couple of weeks ahead. Anna, thanks

2109
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Speaker 2: so much for joining us. Loving your cover, John Sky,

2110
01:51:26,627 --> 01:51:28,427
Speaker 2: I look forward to the rest of rest of it

2111
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Speaker 2: are the next fortnight so but appreciate your time on

2112
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Speaker 2: zed BE this afternoon. Awesome cheers mate, Thank you Anna.

2113
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Speaker 2: Anna Wilcox. There Anna Wilcox joining us out of Milan

2114
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Speaker 2: Courtina where the Winter Olympics are underway. So yeah, So

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Speaker 2: seven thirty tomorrow morning with Lyon Farrell, Dane Menzies and

2116
01:51:48,667 --> 01:51:52,107
Speaker 2: rock O Jamison all through to the final. Seven thirty

2117
01:51:52,147 --> 01:51:54,547
Speaker 2: tomorrow morning. Didn't mean to put the crook. Seven thirty

2118
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Speaker 2: tomorrow morning the snowboard Big Air Men's final featuring all

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01:51:58,387 --> 01:52:03,387
Speaker 2: three of them. Tonight in the women's slope style qualification,

2120
01:52:03,747 --> 01:52:07,907
Speaker 2: Ruby Star Andrews and Sylvia Trotter are in action, and

2121
01:52:08,027 --> 01:52:10,787
Speaker 2: at two o'clock tomorrow morning in the slopestyle men's qualification,

2122
01:52:10,947 --> 01:52:14,747
Speaker 2: Ben Barclay, Luca Harrington and Lucas Ball looking a bit

2123
01:52:14,867 --> 01:52:18,067
Speaker 2: further ahead. Monday morning at seven thirty it's the snowboard

2124
01:52:18,147 --> 01:52:22,747
Speaker 2: Big Air Women's qualification featuring of course, Zoey Sadowski Senate

2125
01:52:22,827 --> 01:52:25,467
Speaker 2: looking forward to bringing you all the action from the

2126
01:52:25,627 --> 01:52:27,747
Speaker 2: Winter Olympics over the next couple of weeks. We'll keep

2127
01:52:27,747 --> 01:52:31,027
Speaker 2: you right of today here on News talks 'B twenty

2128
01:52:31,107 --> 01:52:33,627
Speaker 2: one to three. It is five o'clock this afternoon. All

2129
01:52:33,747 --> 01:52:37,587
Speaker 2: roads football ones anyway lead to go Media Stadium in

2130
01:52:37,707 --> 01:52:41,467
Speaker 2: Auckland for Auckland f C up against Sydney FC, two

2131
01:52:41,547 --> 01:52:43,827
Speaker 2: of the top three teams on the table battling it out.

2132
01:52:43,947 --> 01:52:46,667
Speaker 2: A win for either would send them to the top

2133
01:52:47,107 --> 01:52:48,947
Speaker 2: of the A League Ladder. How are they feeling at

2134
01:52:48,987 --> 01:52:53,107
Speaker 2: Auckland FC after a fairly challenging January. We'll get inside

2135
01:52:53,107 --> 01:52:55,467
Speaker 2: the camp Dan Hall central defender with us when we

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Speaker 2: come back.

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Speaker 1: The biggest things in sport are on Weekend Sports with

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01:53:00,267 --> 01:53:04,347
Speaker 1: Jason Pain and GJ. Gunnomes, New Zealand's most trusted home

2139
01:53:04,387 --> 01:53:05,227
Speaker 1: builder News.

2140
01:53:05,107 --> 01:53:08,507
Speaker 2: DOORGSB away from three huge game of A League men's

2141
01:53:08,507 --> 01:53:11,667
Speaker 2: football for Auckland FC this afternoon. They take on Sydney

2142
01:53:11,787 --> 01:53:14,867
Speaker 2: FC at go Media Stadium, kick off at five. These

2143
01:53:14,907 --> 01:53:16,987
Speaker 2: two sides level on twenty five points on the A

2144
01:53:17,147 --> 01:53:20,627
Speaker 2: leg Ladder, just two points behind leaders the Newcastle Jets.

2145
01:53:20,947 --> 01:53:23,267
Speaker 2: Auckland FC, though, come in off the back of a

2146
01:53:23,387 --> 01:53:27,107
Speaker 2: last minute defeat to Perth Glory last weekends.

2147
01:53:36,347 --> 01:53:36,547
Speaker 6: Two.

2148
01:53:41,587 --> 01:53:43,747
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were winning at one nil Auckland f C.

2149
01:53:43,987 --> 01:53:48,147
Speaker 2: Two late goals to Perth substitute Jaden Kucharski gave Perth

2150
01:53:48,267 --> 01:53:50,787
Speaker 2: Glory the two to one win and it meant in

2151
01:53:50,947 --> 01:53:54,227
Speaker 2: January that in six games in that calendar month Auckland

2152
01:53:54,347 --> 01:53:57,667
Speaker 2: f C had just a solitary victory. They're still up

2153
01:53:57,787 --> 01:54:00,667
Speaker 2: in the upper echelons of the table. Let's not get

2154
01:54:00,707 --> 01:54:03,387
Speaker 2: too carried away, but certainly a month I'm sure they'll

2155
01:54:03,427 --> 01:54:05,707
Speaker 2: be happy to put behind them. Auckland FC defender Dan

2156
01:54:05,827 --> 01:54:09,067
Speaker 2: Hall is whether it's on weekend sport a challenging January.

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01:54:09,107 --> 01:54:10,467
Speaker 2: As I say, Dan, have you been able to put

2158
01:54:10,467 --> 01:54:13,667
Speaker 2: your finger on why results haven't been what you were

2159
01:54:13,747 --> 01:54:15,747
Speaker 2: after in the last five or six games?

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01:54:16,867 --> 01:54:17,067
Speaker 16: Yeah?

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01:54:17,227 --> 01:54:21,147
Speaker 9: Man, it's obviously hasn't been an ideal, but I think

2162
01:54:21,187 --> 01:54:23,547
Speaker 9: that's the magic of football. You know, on anyone's day,

2163
01:54:23,547 --> 01:54:26,987
Speaker 9: you know, anyone can beat anyone. And I think we're

2164
01:54:26,987 --> 01:54:29,627
Speaker 9: obviously experiencing, you know, a rather challenging time right now,

2165
01:54:29,707 --> 01:54:32,707
Speaker 9: but I'm sure we have the talent in the team

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01:54:32,827 --> 01:54:35,387
Speaker 9: and you know, the determination to get out of the ruts.

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01:54:35,587 --> 01:54:36,667
Speaker 5: Yes, you'd say so.

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01:54:36,787 --> 01:54:39,267
Speaker 2: Do you do you still think you're playing pretty well

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01:54:39,307 --> 01:54:40,747
Speaker 2: as a team for the most part.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I think so. I think often, you know, we're

2171
01:54:44,907 --> 01:54:48,027
Speaker 9: controlling games. I think second half on the last couple

2172
01:54:48,067 --> 01:54:49,787
Speaker 9: of games have been a bit disappointing. But I think

2173
01:54:49,827 --> 01:54:53,267
Speaker 9: we've been starting well and you know, we've in patches,

2174
01:54:53,267 --> 01:54:54,947
Speaker 9: have dominated a lot of the games we've been in.

2175
01:54:55,067 --> 01:54:59,387
Speaker 9: But unfortunately, you know, we're conceding, conceding goals and not

2176
01:54:59,707 --> 01:55:00,867
Speaker 9: scoring as many as we'd like.

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Speaker 2: So, I mean it sounds like, how do you fix it?

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01:55:05,987 --> 01:55:08,107
Speaker 2: If it and easy effects, I guess you it fix

2179
01:55:08,187 --> 01:55:10,227
Speaker 2: it easily. Is there is there anything that you can

2180
01:55:10,427 --> 01:55:13,667
Speaker 2: do better to try and you know, stop this from happening?

2181
01:55:15,227 --> 01:55:18,947
Speaker 9: Good question, you know, like, obviously I'm not a coach,

2182
01:55:18,947 --> 01:55:21,987
Speaker 9: I'm just a player, but I think it's there's obviously

2183
01:55:21,987 --> 01:55:24,747
Speaker 9: a lot of challenges. I think just seeing out games

2184
01:55:24,787 --> 01:55:26,947
Speaker 9: and you know, taking our chances and just being a

2185
01:55:26,987 --> 01:55:28,587
Speaker 9: hard team to break down like we were, you know,

2186
01:55:28,747 --> 01:55:31,187
Speaker 9: last season. And I think just getting back to hard

2187
01:55:31,227 --> 01:55:34,827
Speaker 9: work and hopefully a mixture of all those things, we

2188
01:55:34,907 --> 01:55:36,187
Speaker 9: can turn these results around.

2189
01:55:36,387 --> 01:55:39,067
Speaker 2: You mentioned a determination there before, Dan how determined other

2190
01:55:39,147 --> 01:55:41,627
Speaker 2: playing group to to turn this around to you know,

2191
01:55:41,747 --> 01:55:44,107
Speaker 2: to charge into what is a really important set of

2192
01:55:44,187 --> 01:55:45,787
Speaker 2: games coming up over the next month or so.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, for sure, I think you know, we're blessed here

2194
01:55:49,427 --> 01:55:51,507
Speaker 9: at Auckland. We have such a talented and a big

2195
01:55:51,587 --> 01:55:56,867
Speaker 9: depth in squad, so obviously we can we can win

2196
01:55:56,987 --> 01:55:59,307
Speaker 9: lots of games when we have the depth, and you know,

2197
01:55:59,547 --> 01:56:01,707
Speaker 9: with all the games coming thick and fast, it's obviously

2198
01:56:01,787 --> 01:56:06,147
Speaker 9: a hard it's a hard hard to break momentum once

2199
01:56:06,187 --> 01:56:08,987
Speaker 9: you so hopefully starting this week, you know, we start,

2200
01:56:09,027 --> 01:56:10,267
Speaker 9: we get on a run and keep going.

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Speaker 2: This is your first meeting with Sydney FC this season

2202
01:56:13,227 --> 01:56:16,627
Speaker 2: because of the postpone match before Christmas, so you're in

2203
01:56:16,707 --> 01:56:18,827
Speaker 2: the situation now where you play them twice in two

2204
01:56:18,907 --> 01:56:21,787
Speaker 2: games today and then Tuesday week. So does it feel

2205
01:56:21,827 --> 01:56:25,267
Speaker 2: like a fairly pivotal couple of games given how tight

2206
01:56:25,307 --> 01:56:27,547
Speaker 2: the table is. Yeah, for sure.

2207
01:56:28,227 --> 01:56:32,027
Speaker 9: Sydney obviously you know a talented team and they're doing

2208
01:56:32,107 --> 01:56:34,347
Speaker 9: quite well. You know, they're coming off of the back

2209
01:56:34,387 --> 01:56:37,507
Speaker 9: of a very good win against the Wanderers, so to

2210
01:56:37,587 --> 01:56:39,707
Speaker 9: have them in kind of like a two legger, as

2211
01:56:39,747 --> 01:56:42,427
Speaker 9: you'd say, we're looking forward to the challenge now, you.

2212
01:56:42,467 --> 01:56:44,387
Speaker 2: Know what it's like to play against your former side,

2213
01:56:44,507 --> 01:56:46,507
Speaker 2: having of course played for the Mariners and now at

2214
01:56:46,507 --> 01:56:49,387
Speaker 2: Auckland FC, have you sensed any extra edge and Jake

2215
01:56:49,827 --> 01:56:52,587
Speaker 2: Goodwood right this week as he prepares to place his

2216
01:56:52,707 --> 01:56:56,227
Speaker 2: former side for the first time, No, I think you know.

2217
01:56:56,347 --> 01:56:58,907
Speaker 9: The good thing with Jake is you know, he's just

2218
01:56:59,467 --> 01:57:02,427
Speaker 9: come as you go, just always a serious, serious guy.

2219
01:57:02,587 --> 01:57:05,907
Speaker 9: So you know, I think he's raring to go Internally,

2220
01:57:06,427 --> 01:57:07,707
Speaker 9: I can't wait to see him out on the pitch.

2221
01:57:07,827 --> 01:57:09,387
Speaker 2: How did you find that when you I mean you've

2222
01:57:09,427 --> 01:57:11,427
Speaker 2: done it a few times now played against the Mariners.

2223
01:57:11,827 --> 01:57:14,947
Speaker 2: Was there was there any I don't know, weirdness to

2224
01:57:15,027 --> 01:57:16,827
Speaker 2: it looking across and saying, hey, hoster, were that she

2225
01:57:16,947 --> 01:57:18,587
Speaker 2: had or worried about seventy or eighty times?

2226
01:57:20,107 --> 01:57:24,027
Speaker 9: Yeah, in a way, you know, it's obviously it's more

2227
01:57:24,147 --> 01:57:26,107
Speaker 9: so the people on that team, you know, like that.

2228
01:57:26,467 --> 01:57:28,507
Speaker 9: I consider them some of my best mates. So when

2229
01:57:28,547 --> 01:57:31,427
Speaker 9: I was versing the Mariners, it was, you know, it

2230
01:57:31,507 --> 01:57:33,147
Speaker 9: was it was good to see my friends again, but

2231
01:57:33,227 --> 01:57:35,347
Speaker 9: obviously very competitive at the same time.

2232
01:57:35,627 --> 01:57:37,267
Speaker 2: And what about your coach? I mean, I know, as

2233
01:57:37,267 --> 01:57:39,067
Speaker 2: you say, new deal mainly with the playing group, but

2234
01:57:39,107 --> 01:57:42,027
Speaker 2: he's got this deep connection with SYDNEYFC. He doesn't really

2235
01:57:42,067 --> 01:57:43,827
Speaker 2: try to hide it, but do you notice him is

2236
01:57:44,107 --> 01:57:47,427
Speaker 2: but eag year Steve Coricker a head of games against SYDNEYFC.

2237
01:57:50,027 --> 01:57:53,347
Speaker 9: Honestly, like I haven't, I haven't noticed any difference. You know,

2238
01:57:53,867 --> 01:57:56,067
Speaker 9: Steve's the winner, so want to win every game possible.

2239
01:57:56,187 --> 01:57:58,227
Speaker 9: So I think you're just taking it as another game.

2240
01:57:58,267 --> 01:58:00,747
Speaker 9: But I think obviously with the history they have and

2241
01:58:00,907 --> 01:58:03,027
Speaker 9: you know, being so deeply involved in the cloth for

2242
01:58:03,107 --> 01:58:05,787
Speaker 9: so many years, I guess this game is a little

2243
01:58:05,787 --> 01:58:08,187
Speaker 9: bit different for him than others. But yeah, I think

2244
01:58:08,227 --> 01:58:09,427
Speaker 9: he's keeping it cool at the moment.

2245
01:58:09,867 --> 01:58:12,707
Speaker 2: Very sad news about Oli Saale. You know, got his

2246
01:58:12,787 --> 01:58:15,427
Speaker 2: opportunity last week to start and then you know, so

2247
01:58:15,547 --> 01:58:16,747
Speaker 2: innoc he was taking a goal.

2248
01:58:16,827 --> 01:58:16,987
Speaker 6: Keck.

2249
01:58:17,027 --> 01:58:20,107
Speaker 2: He's taken thousands in his life and it ends up

2250
01:58:20,147 --> 01:58:23,467
Speaker 2: with a serious injury. You have you wrapped support around

2251
01:58:23,547 --> 01:58:26,627
Speaker 2: him as a playing group as he faces a fairly

2252
01:58:26,827 --> 01:58:28,227
Speaker 2: decent stint on the sidelines.

2253
01:58:29,027 --> 01:58:32,387
Speaker 9: Yeah, obviously, you know, I haven't actually seen him since

2254
01:58:32,547 --> 01:58:34,547
Speaker 9: since the injury, but you know, I think all the

2255
01:58:34,587 --> 01:58:37,027
Speaker 9: boys have sent him messages you know that we're with

2256
01:58:37,147 --> 01:58:39,667
Speaker 9: him all the way. Obviously, it's super upsetting for him

2257
01:58:39,707 --> 01:58:41,547
Speaker 9: to get injured in the way he did when you

2258
01:58:41,627 --> 01:58:44,747
Speaker 9: know he was getting his chance and that's football, right,

2259
01:58:44,827 --> 01:58:46,867
Speaker 9: So as a playing group, you know, we're all behind

2260
01:58:46,987 --> 01:58:48,787
Speaker 9: him and I'm just wishing him all the very best

2261
01:58:48,827 --> 01:58:49,787
Speaker 9: for his road to recovery.

2262
01:58:50,067 --> 01:58:51,387
Speaker 2: And I think this afternoon there's going to be a

2263
01:58:51,427 --> 01:58:54,307
Speaker 2: presentation to you after the game to mark your one

2264
01:58:54,387 --> 01:58:57,347
Speaker 2: hundred games in the A League, seventy four of those

2265
01:58:57,507 --> 01:59:00,227
Speaker 2: with the Mariners and the majority of the rest with

2266
01:59:00,627 --> 01:59:03,467
Speaker 2: Auckland f C. Is that a milestone that means something

2267
01:59:03,507 --> 01:59:06,187
Speaker 2: to you? Quite proud to bring up the hundred, Yeah,

2268
01:59:06,427 --> 01:59:08,587
Speaker 2: for sure, I think obviously.

2269
01:59:08,747 --> 01:59:10,827
Speaker 9: I think when I first signed my first contract, I

2270
01:59:10,867 --> 01:59:13,827
Speaker 9: wouldn't imagine, you know, I was just happy to sign

2271
01:59:13,867 --> 01:59:15,707
Speaker 9: a contract. But then now to play one hundred games

2272
01:59:15,747 --> 01:59:18,227
Speaker 9: in the league is you know, not not every player

2273
01:59:18,787 --> 01:59:21,347
Speaker 9: is lucky enough to do that, So obviously I'm not

2274
01:59:21,427 --> 01:59:24,027
Speaker 9: taking it for granted. But I think once you achieve that,

2275
01:59:24,187 --> 01:59:26,027
Speaker 9: you know, it's just you know what's next. So I'm

2276
01:59:26,027 --> 01:59:28,547
Speaker 9: always pushing to be better, and yeah, just blessed that

2277
01:59:28,787 --> 01:59:30,707
Speaker 9: I've stayed fit for the one hundred games.

2278
01:59:30,907 --> 01:59:33,547
Speaker 2: And in your time, Dan, can you remember a tighter table,

2279
01:59:33,787 --> 01:59:37,307
Speaker 2: you know, twelve points between first and last. You want

2280
01:59:37,347 --> 01:59:39,027
Speaker 2: a couple of games, you jump up, you lose a

2281
01:59:39,067 --> 01:59:41,147
Speaker 2: couple of you fall down. Can you remember it being

2282
01:59:41,227 --> 01:59:41,667
Speaker 2: this tight?

2283
01:59:42,867 --> 01:59:45,787
Speaker 9: Honestly, no, no party, I can't. I think that's just

2284
01:59:45,867 --> 01:59:49,307
Speaker 9: the magic of the league this year. Literally, as I said,

2285
01:59:49,347 --> 01:59:51,467
Speaker 9: any team on the day can be anyone and that's proven.

2286
01:59:51,627 --> 01:59:53,907
Speaker 9: You know, like you go, you lose a couple of games,

2287
01:59:53,947 --> 01:59:55,907
Speaker 9: you can either drop a lot of places or win

2288
01:59:55,987 --> 01:59:58,227
Speaker 9: a couple and you can go up to the six.

2289
01:59:58,307 --> 02:00:01,387
Speaker 9: So it's pretty crazy, and you know it's a crazy league.

2290
02:00:01,627 --> 02:00:04,107
Speaker 2: Now, when's the first Aukland FC goal of yours coming?

2291
02:00:04,147 --> 02:00:05,587
Speaker 2: When am I gonna gonna get to call this?

2292
02:00:06,827 --> 02:00:06,947
Speaker 6: Oh?

2293
02:00:07,027 --> 02:00:10,027
Speaker 9: Well, hopefully tiny. You know I've been I've been taking

2294
02:00:10,067 --> 02:00:11,667
Speaker 9: it to the tribe, you and all that. I've been

2295
02:00:11,707 --> 02:00:14,467
Speaker 9: staying back in, staying back in set pieces. So I've

2296
02:00:14,467 --> 02:00:16,667
Speaker 9: been putting putting my name in the hat, just letting it,

2297
02:00:16,787 --> 02:00:18,867
Speaker 9: letting the boys know when they missed their miss their

2298
02:00:18,907 --> 02:00:21,547
Speaker 9: set pieces in set piece training. When I'm staying at

2299
02:00:21,587 --> 02:00:23,347
Speaker 9: the back, you know that there's a guy there wearing

2300
02:00:23,427 --> 02:00:25,947
Speaker 9: to go. So if I get the call up, hopefully

2301
02:00:26,027 --> 02:00:28,747
Speaker 9: one day you'll be able to say Dan all gold well, I.

2302
02:00:28,747 --> 02:00:31,307
Speaker 2: Hope that's this afternoon. I hope that's this afternoon. I hope.

2303
02:00:31,347 --> 02:00:33,987
Speaker 2: But it's the start of a revival of sorts. I

2304
02:00:34,027 --> 02:00:35,867
Speaker 2: mean it's not panic. You're still third on the table.

2305
02:00:35,907 --> 02:00:38,907
Speaker 2: But yeah, a big game this afternoon against Sydney FC.

2306
02:00:39,027 --> 02:00:40,467
Speaker 2: Thanks for chatting, mate, look forward to sending you but

2307
02:00:40,587 --> 02:00:41,467
Speaker 2: later on. Appreciate it.

2308
02:00:41,547 --> 02:00:42,587
Speaker 9: Thanks Pany, thank you.

2309
02:00:42,667 --> 02:00:44,547
Speaker 2: No, thank you, Dan, Dan Hall. There out of Auckland

2310
02:00:44,667 --> 02:00:47,787
Speaker 2: f C. Five o'clock kick off this afternoon. Big crowded

2311
02:00:47,867 --> 02:00:51,867
Speaker 2: coming again. I've heard of sort of twelve thirteen, fourteen

2312
02:00:51,947 --> 02:00:54,707
Speaker 2: thousand expected out of go immediate. It's not bad for

2313
02:00:55,147 --> 02:00:58,867
Speaker 2: a holiday weekend. So Auckland FC and Sydney f C

2314
02:00:59,027 --> 02:01:01,947
Speaker 2: has mentioned tight on points twenty five a piece, Sydney

2315
02:01:01,987 --> 02:01:04,827
Speaker 2: of f C ahead on gold difference, a window worth

2316
02:01:04,867 --> 02:01:07,027
Speaker 2: three points that would take either side ahead of the

2317
02:01:07,067 --> 02:01:10,147
Speaker 2: Newcastle Jets, who are currently on twenty seven points. They

2318
02:01:10,187 --> 02:01:12,347
Speaker 2: are yet to play this weekend. Their match is against

2319
02:01:12,427 --> 02:01:15,307
Speaker 2: Adelaide tomorrow. Just a word on the Wellington Phoenix women

2320
02:01:15,387 --> 02:01:17,707
Speaker 2: as well. We mention it and in case you missed it,

2321
02:01:17,827 --> 02:01:21,547
Speaker 2: but for the first time ever, the Wellington Phoenix Women

2322
02:01:21,667 --> 02:01:25,227
Speaker 2: occupy top spot on the A League women's Ladder. They

2323
02:01:25,307 --> 02:01:28,187
Speaker 2: have won their last four games in a row. That

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Speaker 2: is also a club record. This is a team to

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Speaker 2: keep an eye on over the next two to three months.

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Speaker 2: They are really hitting their stride now under Bev Priestman

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Speaker 2: and doing some great things to keep an eye on

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Speaker 2: the on the Wellington Phoenix Women Night Away from Three

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Speaker 2: News Talks EDB.

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Speaker 1: When it's down to the line, you made a call.

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Speaker 1: On eight ten eighty Weekend Sports with Jason Hine, News TALKSB.

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Speaker 2: Six Away from Three. Another big show coming tomorrow. Jack Measley,

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Speaker 2: CEO of Super Rugby Pacific, just after midday on the

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Speaker 2: tweaks they've made to the rules and what he hopes

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Speaker 2: the positive impact of that will be. Speaking of Super

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Speaker 2: Rugby will get you inside the Hurricanes, the Chiefs and

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Speaker 2: the Highlanders tomorrow to complete our rap of the New

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Speaker 2: Zealand sides. Rob Walter is on the show as well,

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Speaker 2: a head coach of the Black Apps as they prepare

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Speaker 2: to embark on their T twenty Cricket World Cup campaign,

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Speaker 2: which starts tomorrow night against Afghanistan. Tim Beverage is on

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Speaker 2: your radio after three o'clock with a satellite edition of

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Speaker 2: the Weekend collective. Thanks for listening. Huge thanks to Andy

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Speaker 2: McDonald four pulling the show together. As per usual, it's

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Speaker 2: a song today, Andy.

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Speaker 22: So obviously the subplot of the show today was finding

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Speaker 22: out about the horses in christ good news. We got

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Speaker 22: the good news that they will be riding around the

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Speaker 22: new stadium. So I've gone with the great song from America,

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Speaker 22: A Horse with no Name.

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Speaker 2: Think, Andy said tomorrow, folks.

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Speaker 23: Let the horse rock free because the desert had turned

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Speaker 23: to sea. There were plants and birds and rocks. Sand

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Speaker 23: things were sands and pills and rings. The ocean is

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Speaker 23: a desert with it's lying underground, and the perfect disguise

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Speaker 23: are under the city's as a hard made of ground.

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Speaker 2: But the humans were no love.

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Speaker 23: See up in through the desert on a horse.

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Speaker 21: With no name.

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Speaker 2: It felt good to be out of the rain in

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Speaker 2: the desert.

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Speaker 1: You can't remember your name because the rape.

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Speaker 5: No one want to give.

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Speaker 6: Me a fame.

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Speaker 5: The the

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Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live

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Speaker 1: to news Talks it Be weekends from midday, or follow

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Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.