1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,467 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,987 Speaker 1: from Newstalk zb. 3 00:00:12,827 --> 00:00:17,227 Speaker 2: Dave McCalman is a three time Paralympic medalist for New Zealand. 4 00:00:17,547 --> 00:00:21,267 Speaker 2: He was an elite able bodied basketball player, becoming the 5 00:00:21,267 --> 00:00:24,027 Speaker 2: first key to play in the Australian National League and 6 00:00:24,067 --> 00:00:27,227 Speaker 2: then taking up a scholarship at a US college, But 7 00:00:27,467 --> 00:00:31,227 Speaker 2: in his freshman year in nineteen eighty he misjudged the 8 00:00:31,227 --> 00:00:34,267 Speaker 2: depth of the water jumping into a water hole and 9 00:00:34,347 --> 00:00:39,347 Speaker 2: sustained serious spinal injuries. Following his disability, he moved into 10 00:00:39,427 --> 00:00:43,947 Speaker 2: able bodied basketball coaching, leading teams to national titles, before 11 00:00:44,027 --> 00:00:47,667 Speaker 2: later taking up power athletics. Just six weeks out from 12 00:00:47,747 --> 00:00:51,947 Speaker 2: his Paralympic debut at Barcelona in nineteen ninety two, they 13 00:00:52,067 --> 00:00:56,347 Speaker 2: removed his favorite pentathlon from the program and he instead 14 00:00:56,507 --> 00:01:00,427 Speaker 2: entered the javelin, becoming New Zealand Paralympian number eighty. He 15 00:01:00,467 --> 00:01:02,987 Speaker 2: won a javelin silver medal at the nineteen ninety six 16 00:01:03,027 --> 00:01:06,267 Speaker 2: Paralympic Games and two goals in javelin and the rest 17 00:01:06,867 --> 00:01:10,707 Speaker 2: pentathlon at the Sydney two thousand Paralympics. He made his 18 00:01:10,787 --> 00:01:14,747 Speaker 2: fourth and final Paralympic appearance in Athens in two thousand 19 00:01:14,787 --> 00:01:19,467 Speaker 2: and four. He has coached in both disability and mainstream sports, 20 00:01:19,507 --> 00:01:24,547 Speaker 2: including wheelchair rugby and wheelchair basketball. Dave mccleman recently retired 21 00:01:24,587 --> 00:01:27,947 Speaker 2: after nineteen years working for the Hallberg Foundation, but is 22 00:01:27,987 --> 00:01:31,907 Speaker 2: still very involved in sport, and he's published a book 23 00:01:32,027 --> 00:01:34,987 Speaker 2: on his life. It's called Here's to Life and All 24 00:01:35,027 --> 00:01:37,907 Speaker 2: That Jazz. Dave mcalman is with us SAR. Congrats on 25 00:01:37,907 --> 00:01:40,307 Speaker 2: the book, Dave, all that Jazz in the title? Does 26 00:01:40,347 --> 00:01:43,467 Speaker 2: that refer to your love of jazz music? 27 00:01:44,627 --> 00:01:47,587 Speaker 3: Hey, thanks very much for having me on mate. Well, 28 00:01:47,667 --> 00:01:52,307 Speaker 3: what an introduction? Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah. My mother played 29 00:01:52,307 --> 00:01:54,907 Speaker 3: around with her jazz singing in the late forties in 30 00:01:54,987 --> 00:01:58,147 Speaker 3: Wellington when she was a young girl, and pretty much 31 00:01:58,147 --> 00:01:59,707 Speaker 3: all the records in our house. 32 00:01:59,427 --> 00:02:03,427 Speaker 2: With jazz wonderful. Well, as I said, lots to unpack. 33 00:02:03,627 --> 00:02:05,667 Speaker 2: Maybe we can start with a general look back. How 34 00:02:05,707 --> 00:02:09,507 Speaker 2: do you reflect in general terms on your career as 35 00:02:09,987 --> 00:02:12,427 Speaker 2: an elite power athlete. 36 00:02:13,627 --> 00:02:18,507 Speaker 3: Well, Paralympics gave me an opportunity to fulfill my potential. 37 00:02:18,587 --> 00:02:21,427 Speaker 3: I think as an athlete there was a difference cut 38 00:02:21,507 --> 00:02:26,147 Speaker 3: short earned basketball. I really dedicated many years and hours 39 00:02:26,187 --> 00:02:30,467 Speaker 3: to improving and getting good at basketball, and when that 40 00:02:30,547 --> 00:02:34,547 Speaker 3: opportunity was removed, Paralympics gave me that opportunity. Took me 41 00:02:34,587 --> 00:02:36,707 Speaker 3: a little while. I had to go through some transition 42 00:02:36,827 --> 00:02:41,427 Speaker 3: of coaching and socializing through the eighties when I coached 43 00:02:41,467 --> 00:02:46,787 Speaker 3: able body basketball. But yeah, ninety two Barcelona Paralympics was 44 00:02:46,987 --> 00:02:48,707 Speaker 3: a bit of a dream really for me to be 45 00:02:48,747 --> 00:02:52,387 Speaker 3: an athlete again. So Paralympics really gave me a lot 46 00:02:52,547 --> 00:02:53,107 Speaker 3: in my life. 47 00:02:53,787 --> 00:02:56,707 Speaker 2: Is that true? About ninety two they removed pentathlon, but 48 00:02:56,747 --> 00:02:59,427 Speaker 2: they removed it almost what just a few weeks before 49 00:02:59,467 --> 00:03:00,667 Speaker 2: the games? What happened there? 50 00:03:01,427 --> 00:03:04,987 Speaker 3: So basically they needed six athletes from five countries to 51 00:03:05,067 --> 00:03:09,747 Speaker 3: constitute an event, and the Paralympics have many events. If 52 00:03:09,787 --> 00:03:12,547 Speaker 3: you think about the different disability types and one hundred 53 00:03:12,627 --> 00:03:15,907 Speaker 3: meters and both genders, there's a lot of events. That's 54 00:03:15,947 --> 00:03:19,467 Speaker 3: a tight schedule. So yeah, once the final entries were in, 55 00:03:19,587 --> 00:03:23,107 Speaker 3: that was the call the organizing committee made. So good. 56 00:03:23,747 --> 00:03:27,387 Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, And so obviously it came back in two thousand, 57 00:03:27,427 --> 00:03:30,107 Speaker 2: which we'll get to. But you competed in the javelin 58 00:03:30,187 --> 00:03:33,267 Speaker 2: and then your first Paralympic medal, the silver and the 59 00:03:33,347 --> 00:03:36,187 Speaker 2: javelin in nineteen ninety six, tell us about. 60 00:03:35,947 --> 00:03:40,947 Speaker 3: That good story there. Suddenly this Iranian athlete turned up 61 00:03:40,947 --> 00:03:43,627 Speaker 3: out of nowhere and was breaking world records left right 62 00:03:43,667 --> 00:03:46,747 Speaker 3: and sent it. And I'd been doing my training in 63 00:03:46,787 --> 00:03:50,707 Speaker 3: the Kaddicadi Wrestling Club with a great wrestling made of 64 00:03:50,747 --> 00:03:53,747 Speaker 3: min andy roach and we'd worked out a system that 65 00:03:53,827 --> 00:03:57,867 Speaker 3: I could throw pretty good draven javelin through the winter. Anyway, 66 00:03:57,987 --> 00:04:00,747 Speaker 3: I got out there and I threw the world record 67 00:04:00,947 --> 00:04:05,107 Speaker 3: and thought I was in the money, and the Iranian 68 00:04:05,147 --> 00:04:07,227 Speaker 3: with his last throw beat me by a meter and 69 00:04:07,267 --> 00:04:10,307 Speaker 3: a half. And that was the same in all of 70 00:04:10,347 --> 00:04:14,667 Speaker 3: the three field events actually, so yeah, that was this 71 00:04:14,787 --> 00:04:18,667 Speaker 3: ablem But hey, I started that medal count and got 72 00:04:18,667 --> 00:04:20,267 Speaker 3: a silver, and I was wrapped. 73 00:04:20,427 --> 00:04:24,427 Speaker 2: And double gold at Sydney two thousand in the javelin, 74 00:04:24,467 --> 00:04:28,787 Speaker 2: and obviously at that stage the restored pentathlon. How vivid 75 00:04:28,827 --> 00:04:31,507 Speaker 2: are you memories of Sydney two thousand, Yeah. 76 00:04:31,347 --> 00:04:35,707 Speaker 3: Still very vivid. And I guess the being persistent and 77 00:04:36,227 --> 00:04:38,787 Speaker 3: staying with it, because I went back and I got 78 00:04:38,827 --> 00:04:41,987 Speaker 3: the Iranian in two thousand and I finally got the 79 00:04:42,387 --> 00:04:46,107 Speaker 3: quadriplegic pentathlin. So you know, you stay with it long enough, 80 00:04:46,147 --> 00:04:51,307 Speaker 3: it'll come to here. Very vivid great story around the javelin. 81 00:04:52,267 --> 00:04:56,027 Speaker 3: So Murray Halberg had been spoken to our team prior 82 00:04:56,067 --> 00:04:58,827 Speaker 3: to us leaving Balkland, and I took a lot at 83 00:04:58,907 --> 00:05:02,827 Speaker 3: what he had said about his room, gold medal and 84 00:05:03,227 --> 00:05:06,547 Speaker 3: being in the call up room. So I followed his 85 00:05:06,667 --> 00:05:10,307 Speaker 3: instructions very closely. I was the world record holder at 86 00:05:10,307 --> 00:05:14,027 Speaker 3: that time and so had he been. So it all 87 00:05:14,067 --> 00:05:17,987 Speaker 3: went well, all went to plan, and Ben got the 88 00:05:19,107 --> 00:05:22,587 Speaker 3: got the stadium to finally play the New Zealand national anthem. 89 00:05:22,747 --> 00:05:26,067 Speaker 3: Because that Sydney Olympics, I think it was only Rob 90 00:05:26,067 --> 00:05:27,147 Speaker 3: Woodell that got a gold. 91 00:05:27,627 --> 00:05:30,747 Speaker 2: Yeah, did right, dead right, and yeah on the out 92 00:05:30,747 --> 00:05:32,427 Speaker 2: on the water, not on the stadium. So what what 93 00:05:32,507 --> 00:05:35,027 Speaker 2: was the advice that sir Murray gave you about being 94 00:05:35,067 --> 00:05:36,387 Speaker 2: in the call room beforehand? 95 00:05:37,707 --> 00:05:40,827 Speaker 3: Basically, look at all your competitors in the eyes, you know, 96 00:05:41,227 --> 00:05:46,707 Speaker 3: steer them down. And also that there was a metaphoric 97 00:05:46,787 --> 00:05:49,587 Speaker 3: sort of a door at the end of the room 98 00:05:49,627 --> 00:05:53,387 Speaker 3: where the champions stepped through, and be prepared to lose 99 00:05:53,427 --> 00:05:58,907 Speaker 3: yourself in the event. And yeah, that sort of mental focus, 100 00:05:58,987 --> 00:06:00,627 Speaker 3: really love that, love that. 101 00:06:00,867 --> 00:06:03,827 Speaker 2: Yeah, that would that would make anybody want to come 102 00:06:03,867 --> 00:06:06,147 Speaker 2: out there and compete to the piece of their ability 103 00:06:06,467 --> 00:06:09,307 Speaker 2: if the Murray Helberg's giving you advice like that, what 104 00:06:09,427 --> 00:06:14,347 Speaker 2: a champion piece of advice. What happened in nineteen eighty Dave, 105 00:06:14,427 --> 00:06:16,027 Speaker 2: that led to your spinal injuries? 106 00:06:17,587 --> 00:06:22,107 Speaker 3: Youthful enthusiasm. Been out to this water hole which was 107 00:06:22,427 --> 00:06:26,027 Speaker 3: sort of in a canyon area prior with a few 108 00:06:26,027 --> 00:06:29,667 Speaker 3: of the local guys from town, and that finished my 109 00:06:29,747 --> 00:06:33,187 Speaker 3: last class, walking across the field with a Hawaiian guy 110 00:06:33,827 --> 00:06:37,427 Speaker 3: forty degrees getting very hot in the San Joaquin Valley 111 00:06:37,987 --> 00:06:40,867 Speaker 3: and I had to plan, let's go for a swim, 112 00:06:41,347 --> 00:06:45,547 Speaker 3: and as I say, sort of got to the spillway 113 00:06:45,627 --> 00:06:48,667 Speaker 3: and went down on my feet and dove into the water, 114 00:06:50,227 --> 00:06:52,947 Speaker 3: not thinking anything of it, and the water was so 115 00:06:52,987 --> 00:06:58,267 Speaker 3: shallow I hit my head on the bottom so instantly 116 00:06:58,347 --> 00:07:05,147 Speaker 3: paralyzed survival to not drown. And then the ordeal of 117 00:07:05,187 --> 00:07:10,787 Speaker 3: not having enough medical insurance. My coach was brilliant, turned 118 00:07:10,867 --> 00:07:15,947 Speaker 3: up and pretty much sergeant, you know major, got everybody 119 00:07:15,987 --> 00:07:20,427 Speaker 3: going and I ended up in Fresno Community Hospital and 120 00:07:21,147 --> 00:07:24,907 Speaker 3: got my surgery, which allowed me then to set up 121 00:07:24,947 --> 00:07:29,147 Speaker 3: and start working out again. And that's pretty much how 122 00:07:29,227 --> 00:07:33,547 Speaker 3: I pursued it as a physical challenge all the way through. 123 00:07:34,547 --> 00:07:39,147 Speaker 2: But changed your life obviously completely, did it or how 124 00:07:39,187 --> 00:07:41,827 Speaker 2: long did it take for you to come to terms 125 00:07:41,827 --> 00:07:43,627 Speaker 2: with it? 126 00:07:43,627 --> 00:07:46,387 Speaker 3: It comes and goes, you know, there's wheelchair blues ies 127 00:07:46,467 --> 00:07:51,547 Speaker 3: to call it. But about three years you pretty well 128 00:07:51,587 --> 00:07:55,307 Speaker 3: get into a fairly consistent routine and you're happy with it, 129 00:07:55,347 --> 00:07:57,187 Speaker 3: and you understand what you can do and what you 130 00:07:57,227 --> 00:07:59,707 Speaker 3: can't do, and you concentrate on what you can do. 131 00:08:00,427 --> 00:08:03,147 Speaker 3: And then I would say at seven years you've probably 132 00:08:03,227 --> 00:08:08,827 Speaker 3: unconsciously operating as a wheelchair user. And it does take 133 00:08:08,867 --> 00:08:12,427 Speaker 3: that time. But as I said, I think the physical 134 00:08:12,507 --> 00:08:16,827 Speaker 3: aspect of it is the focus, and that's where Paralympics 135 00:08:16,827 --> 00:08:20,307 Speaker 3: are so good, being able to get out there and 136 00:08:21,267 --> 00:08:24,227 Speaker 3: test yourself, learn from others, you know, that sort of thing. 137 00:08:25,187 --> 00:08:29,307 Speaker 2: You already had a tremendous work ethic in order to 138 00:08:29,347 --> 00:08:32,387 Speaker 2: get to where you got to an able bodied basketball. 139 00:08:32,747 --> 00:08:35,747 Speaker 2: Did you find that that just carried on. The work 140 00:08:35,747 --> 00:08:39,547 Speaker 2: ethic didn't disappear, and that's what allowed you to excel 141 00:08:39,787 --> 00:08:41,027 Speaker 2: as a power athlete? 142 00:08:41,627 --> 00:08:44,187 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. But I did spend a decade 143 00:08:44,227 --> 00:08:46,867 Speaker 3: from the eighties to the start of the nineties. I 144 00:08:46,907 --> 00:08:50,747 Speaker 3: started preparing for Barcelona at the end of nineteen nineties. 145 00:08:50,827 --> 00:08:54,827 Speaker 3: Basketball season when I coached wake it or Woman Caroline 146 00:08:54,867 --> 00:08:58,747 Speaker 3: Gray and Shelley Meads and a number of other athletes. 147 00:08:58,787 --> 00:09:02,947 Speaker 3: We beat Auckland in overtime. But so that whole eight 148 00:09:03,307 --> 00:09:05,907 Speaker 3: ten years, and I was in Fangada as a coach 149 00:09:06,507 --> 00:09:08,667 Speaker 3: for a couple of years when Judd Flavel and Pedal 150 00:09:08,747 --> 00:09:12,267 Speaker 3: Cameron were just starting out. Those years of coaching, I 151 00:09:12,307 --> 00:09:16,227 Speaker 3: think really gave me more understanding of what a training 152 00:09:16,267 --> 00:09:18,947 Speaker 3: program was about and what I needed to do myself, 153 00:09:19,547 --> 00:09:22,267 Speaker 3: more than I had been prior to the injury. 154 00:09:23,587 --> 00:09:26,987 Speaker 2: And how did you choose javelin and pentathlon? I guess 155 00:09:26,987 --> 00:09:30,107 Speaker 2: it would have been more logical to go into wheelchair 156 00:09:30,147 --> 00:09:32,547 Speaker 2: rugby or wheelchair basketball. Why was it track and field? 157 00:09:33,507 --> 00:09:38,027 Speaker 3: Yeah, so wheelchair bus rugby didn't start till really nineteen nineties, 158 00:09:38,627 --> 00:09:41,787 Speaker 3: but that was what everyone done. Everybody did it in 159 00:09:41,827 --> 00:09:44,147 Speaker 3: those days. And I threw the shot in the disk 160 00:09:44,227 --> 00:09:47,627 Speaker 3: and the pentathon was because I actually tell you, through 161 00:09:47,707 --> 00:09:51,307 Speaker 3: sitting on a chair and throwing implements all day long, 162 00:09:51,347 --> 00:09:53,627 Speaker 3: it's not the most attractive sport. If you've been a 163 00:09:53,707 --> 00:09:57,387 Speaker 3: basketball play, you know, there's no sort of you know, 164 00:09:58,147 --> 00:10:01,507 Speaker 3: leading people into a trap and all the sort of things. 165 00:10:01,747 --> 00:10:04,147 Speaker 3: So anyway, but javelin, I just seem to have an 166 00:10:04,267 --> 00:10:08,187 Speaker 3: arm for it, basically, So I kept doing better and 167 00:10:08,227 --> 00:10:11,987 Speaker 3: better and better and better, and the Pentathlon allowed me 168 00:10:12,027 --> 00:10:16,267 Speaker 3: to have a whole one day event, which was more interesting. 169 00:10:16,307 --> 00:10:19,267 Speaker 3: I found that very interesting, more challenging. 170 00:10:19,867 --> 00:10:22,827 Speaker 2: Did you get as much satisfaction from coaching as you 171 00:10:22,867 --> 00:10:23,787 Speaker 2: did from competing? 172 00:10:25,107 --> 00:10:31,027 Speaker 3: Almost? Almost? Yep. I had some really good teams and 173 00:10:31,187 --> 00:10:34,867 Speaker 3: being able to you know, make positive influences in the 174 00:10:34,947 --> 00:10:38,587 Speaker 3: game to which then you would win was really rewarding. 175 00:10:38,707 --> 00:10:44,227 Speaker 3: You know, winning championships with teams very rewarding. And just 176 00:10:44,427 --> 00:10:47,547 Speaker 3: you know, I was young, I was I was twenty one. 177 00:10:47,667 --> 00:10:51,147 Speaker 3: I was coaching New Aukland number twenty team, and so 178 00:10:51,707 --> 00:10:53,907 Speaker 3: I still see a few of the guys that we're 179 00:10:53,947 --> 00:10:55,427 Speaker 3: almost the same age now. 180 00:10:56,107 --> 00:10:56,747 Speaker 2: Incredible. 181 00:10:57,067 --> 00:10:59,747 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I loved it. I loved the coaching. 182 00:11:00,187 --> 00:11:02,787 Speaker 2: Interesting you said almost. I've heard that from so many 183 00:11:03,147 --> 00:11:06,107 Speaker 2: elite athletes who have gone into coaching, and they get 184 00:11:06,667 --> 00:11:09,547 Speaker 2: they get almost a buzz of doing it themselves day, 185 00:11:09,587 --> 00:11:12,427 Speaker 2: but just not quite, just not quite. Would that be 186 00:11:12,467 --> 00:11:13,027 Speaker 2: the case with you? 187 00:11:13,707 --> 00:11:16,907 Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, you know it's shooting that winning shot. You 188 00:11:16,947 --> 00:11:20,307 Speaker 3: know that that's you. You can't take that away. From 189 00:11:20,307 --> 00:11:24,387 Speaker 3: players and yeah, just the effort to just being in 190 00:11:24,387 --> 00:11:29,827 Speaker 3: the grind and with the other teammates. That's superb basketball. 191 00:11:29,907 --> 00:11:33,427 Speaker 3: A well, you know, I'm so dedicated. I still watch 192 00:11:33,427 --> 00:11:36,467 Speaker 3: all the NBL games. You keep up with it. 193 00:11:37,467 --> 00:11:40,027 Speaker 2: What was your work with the Hellberg Foundation What did 194 00:11:40,067 --> 00:11:40,867 Speaker 2: that consist of? 195 00:11:41,107 --> 00:11:46,187 Speaker 3: Mainly, the focus of the foundation and Murray's trustee early 196 00:11:46,227 --> 00:11:50,867 Speaker 3: on was to give young people with disabilities an opportunity 197 00:11:50,907 --> 00:11:55,787 Speaker 3: to get involved in sport and recreation and that's what 198 00:11:55,827 --> 00:11:57,907 Speaker 3: they do, and they do it in different ways. We 199 00:11:57,987 --> 00:12:04,307 Speaker 3: did it within schools, within communities. I'm trying to break 200 00:12:04,307 --> 00:12:08,627 Speaker 3: down barriers. And probably the best thing that came along 201 00:12:08,867 --> 00:12:12,707 Speaker 3: was the Independence Games that were run by ccs back 202 00:12:12,747 --> 00:12:16,387 Speaker 3: in the day were folding and Halberg took them up 203 00:12:16,947 --> 00:12:20,707 Speaker 3: and created the Halberg Games for about ten years twelve 204 00:12:20,827 --> 00:12:24,947 Speaker 3: years now and that is just a wonderful festival of 205 00:12:25,067 --> 00:12:29,507 Speaker 3: sport and community. People from all over the country come 206 00:12:29,547 --> 00:12:33,907 Speaker 3: together and there's just smiles everywhere. The parents are getting 207 00:12:33,907 --> 00:12:37,227 Speaker 3: a lot out of it just seeing their children achieved 208 00:12:38,067 --> 00:12:43,147 Speaker 3: they hadn't seen before at school settings. So yeah, that's 209 00:12:43,227 --> 00:12:47,707 Speaker 3: basically the co puper there is to get young physically 210 00:12:48,267 --> 00:12:52,027 Speaker 3: disabled people into being active, outstanding. 211 00:12:52,667 --> 00:12:54,467 Speaker 2: So what takes up most of your time these days? 212 00:12:55,627 --> 00:12:58,547 Speaker 3: I'm on the way he beat school board, a hand cycled, 213 00:12:58,627 --> 00:13:00,987 Speaker 3: trying and keep myself fit, trying to keep you know, 214 00:13:01,107 --> 00:13:05,547 Speaker 3: this aging process in theay are. We all got two 215 00:13:05,627 --> 00:13:09,427 Speaker 3: grandsons living with us, trying to help them with their 216 00:13:09,467 --> 00:13:12,627 Speaker 3: basketball and sport. And I've got a little acre of 217 00:13:12,707 --> 00:13:14,587 Speaker 3: land here that keeps us busy. 218 00:13:14,867 --> 00:13:16,947 Speaker 2: Brilliant, brilliant stuff. And you're happy with the way the 219 00:13:16,947 --> 00:13:17,627 Speaker 2: book came out. 220 00:13:18,827 --> 00:13:23,627 Speaker 3: Yeah, Tommy did a great job. Good journalist has known 221 00:13:23,707 --> 00:13:28,307 Speaker 3: me since I was fourteen in the legendary Newtown Stadium 222 00:13:28,467 --> 00:13:33,747 Speaker 3: in Wellington, and just the camaraderie, the friendship we built 223 00:13:33,787 --> 00:13:36,867 Speaker 3: over the four years it took. And yeah, he didn't 224 00:13:36,907 --> 00:13:40,067 Speaker 3: want it to be complicated less was more in a 225 00:13:40,187 --> 00:13:45,787 Speaker 3: very sort of jazz sort of feel. Yes, and yeah 226 00:13:45,827 --> 00:13:50,067 Speaker 3: it's come out really well. Everybody says, great read, it's 227 00:13:50,187 --> 00:13:52,907 Speaker 3: not complex, it's a simple read and a lot of 228 00:13:52,907 --> 00:13:54,467 Speaker 3: good stories outstanding. 229 00:13:54,587 --> 00:13:56,787 Speaker 2: Well, you've told us a bunch of good ones today, 230 00:13:57,187 --> 00:14:00,267 Speaker 2: Dave Look, thanks so much for sharing your journey with us. 231 00:14:00,547 --> 00:14:02,947 Speaker 2: Congrats on the book and all the best for all 232 00:14:02,947 --> 00:14:04,507 Speaker 2: the best for what lies there, I get the feeling 233 00:14:04,507 --> 00:14:06,067 Speaker 2: there's still much more to come in your life. 234 00:14:06,387 --> 00:14:08,987 Speaker 3: I hope, so, Jason, if I just say, if anybody 235 00:14:09,027 --> 00:14:10,667 Speaker 3: wants a book and they can get it online at 236 00:14:10,867 --> 00:14:15,427 Speaker 3: Copypress or Wheelers or Yeah or the Why He Beach Hardwind. 237 00:14:16,307 --> 00:14:19,627 Speaker 2: Brilliant, Here's the Life and All That Jazz by Dave McElman. 238 00:14:19,747 --> 00:14:21,547 Speaker 2: Dave again, thanks for your time, all the best for 239 00:14:21,587 --> 00:14:23,307 Speaker 2: the festive season pleaser. 240 00:14:23,387 --> 00:14:25,107 Speaker 3: Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas to you. 241 00:14:25,067 --> 00:14:28,667 Speaker 2: Too, Dave. Dave mckelman, what a man. Three time Paralympic medalists, 242 00:14:28,667 --> 00:14:32,027 Speaker 2: four time Paralympian and well by the sounds of a 243 00:14:32,067 --> 00:14:36,027 Speaker 2: guy who has squeezed every ounce out of his life. 244 00:14:36,027 --> 00:14:37,947 Speaker 2: His book is called Here's the Life and all That Jazz, 245 00:14:38,427 --> 00:14:41,267 Speaker 2: and Yeah, it's a good read and what a top blake, 246 00:14:41,547 --> 00:14:42,307 Speaker 2: what a good man. 247 00:14:42,947 --> 00:14:46,147 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 248 00:14:46,267 --> 00:14:49,547 Speaker 1: to news talks that'd be weekends from midday, or follow 249 00:14:49,587 --> 00:14:51,147 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.