1
00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,520
Speaker 1: Government's considering thinking about moving East scooters into cycle lanes

2
00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,640
Speaker 1: as injury costs go through the roof. Es scooter industries

3
00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:11,760
Speaker 1: cost ACC nearly fourteen million alone this year. Patrick Morgan

4
00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:15,240
Speaker 1: is Cycle Action spokesperson with me this morning. Good morning, Patrick,

5
00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:18,200
Speaker 1: Good morning Ryan. Are you happy to share a lane

6
00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:19,680
Speaker 1: with a Lime scooter?

7
00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:23,240
Speaker 2: Yeah? This is long overdue. It makes sense for this

8
00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:27,600
Speaker 2: to happen. Pedestrians really don't want escooters on the footpath

9
00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:30,920
Speaker 2: and off in our streets can be quite hostile for people,

10
00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,960
Speaker 2: So it makes sense to put es scooters on bike lanes.

11
00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:37,919
Speaker 2: But we're going to need a lot more bikeplanes, aren't we.

12
00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:41,959
Speaker 1: You just had to do it, didn't you. You had

13
00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,159
Speaker 1: to go there, Patrick, how many more bike planes do

14
00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:44,520
Speaker 1: we need?

15
00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,919
Speaker 2: Look, modern cities give people choices about how they get

16
00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:52,640
Speaker 2: around with you walk, bike, take the car, the bus, whatever.

17
00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,880
Speaker 2: East scooters are part of modern cities. They're here to stay,

18
00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,400
Speaker 2: but they need to be managed properly. That's why it's

19
00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,640
Speaker 2: good news that the government is at last updating the

20
00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,240
Speaker 2: law to permit them in bike lanes.

21
00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:08,919
Speaker 1: No, I get that, But how many more bike lanes

22
00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:09,800
Speaker 1: do you reckon? We need?

23
00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:13,640
Speaker 2: We don't need a bike plane on every street. No

24
00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:17,000
Speaker 2: one's asking for that. What we need is bike plans

25
00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:20,080
Speaker 2: on busy streets where people want to go, so to

26
00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:24,840
Speaker 2: get people to our schools, workplaces, shops. There's a trend

27
00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,720
Speaker 2: in modern cities for people to get around by bike

28
00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:32,319
Speaker 2: e Bui conscooter. So I think councils and the government

29
00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:36,640
Speaker 2: need to restart building bike lanes to meet public demand.

30
00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,880
Speaker 1: Right And is that demand there? Because last time I

31
00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,200
Speaker 1: Jin we spent hundreds and millions of dollars probably over

32
00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,160
Speaker 1: billions now on cycle ways across the country and cycle

33
00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,880
Speaker 1: networks across the country, and yet there's still only two

34
00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,160
Speaker 1: percent of us commuting to work on them according to

35
00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:52,800
Speaker 1: the census.

36
00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:56,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, you've got to be aware of that. We

37
00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,040
Speaker 2: haven't spent nearly that much. Bike plans are the best

38
00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:02,000
Speaker 2: bang for bucket transport. You're cheap to do, you can

39
00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:05,360
Speaker 2: roll them out quickly. There's huge public demand. We can

40
00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:06,200
Speaker 2: see that in Wellington.

41
00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,960
Speaker 1: Some of them are cost tens and millions of dollars

42
00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:11,480
Speaker 1: for a little tiny one.

43
00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,240
Speaker 2: It just doesn't add up to the number you said.

44
00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,400
Speaker 2: What we've got is do you know how much Wellington?

45
00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,760
Speaker 2: It's well under that, But they are great value for

46
00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:28,440
Speaker 2: money because they reduce congestion, they get people where they're going,

47
00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:33,000
Speaker 2: and they also give people the choices to get around

48
00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:36,240
Speaker 2: the modern city. So, for example, in Wellington we have

49
00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,639
Speaker 2: added thirty two kilometers of bike lanes in just about

50
00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:43,200
Speaker 2: four years. On some of them, the numbers have doubles

51
00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:45,360
Speaker 2: in just over a year's time.

52
00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,800
Speaker 1: It's what success looks like, doubled from what to what.

53
00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:53,360
Speaker 2: I think the numbers in Wellington went around four not

54
00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:56,760
Speaker 2: around four thousand people get around by bike every single

55
00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:00,360
Speaker 2: day in the numbers even higher. It's not meant imagine

56
00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:01,440
Speaker 2: all those people.

57
00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:04,720
Speaker 1: Of the vices. But do you know because the number

58
00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,359
Speaker 1: who are commuting to work is an interesting one, isn't it?

59
00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,520
Speaker 1: And that hasn't changed really in the census the two

60
00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:11,760
Speaker 1: most recent A.

61
00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:14,480
Speaker 2: No, that's not true at all. It's been going up

62
00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:16,400
Speaker 2: in Wellington for over a decade.

63
00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:17,960
Speaker 1: I'm familiar with.

64
00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:23,320
Speaker 2: Also in christ Church people use it.

65
00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:26,280
Speaker 1: But are they that I mean? Are they? It's like

66
00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:26,920
Speaker 1: two percent.

67
00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:31,440
Speaker 2: The sensus only measures the journey to work. The trouble

68
00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:33,919
Speaker 2: with that is that it doesn't count the journeys that

69
00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,120
Speaker 2: many people make. For example, people make in their local

70
00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:41,440
Speaker 2: communities that children make to school children under fifteen, so

71
00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:43,480
Speaker 2: we know that the numbers are much higher than that.

72
00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,480
Speaker 2: We also know that people deserve to be safe and

73
00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:50,920
Speaker 2: by planes keep people safe. How can you put a

74
00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:51,600
Speaker 2: price on that?

75
00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,240
Speaker 1: All right, Patrick, appreciate your time this morning. Thanks for

76
00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:57,280
Speaker 1: being with me, Patrick Morgan's Cycling Action spokesperson.

77
00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,240
Speaker 2: For more from Early edition with Ryan Bridge, Listen live

78
00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,360
Speaker 2: to news Talks it'd be from five am weekdays, or

79
00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:06,320
Speaker 2: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.