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Speaker 2: Fit in and welcome Weekend Sport for the final day

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Speaker 2: of November Alligant Smith and for Jason Pine this weekend

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Speaker 2: like ships in the Night myself and Piney. He's out

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Speaker 2: of the country this weekend is I returned from following

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Speaker 2: the All Black subboard. Great to be with you for

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Speaker 2: the next three hours. November thirtieth, ninety six years to

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Speaker 2: the day since Donald Bradman made his test table for

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Speaker 2: Australia against England and Brisbane nineteen twenty eight. That was

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Speaker 2: he made eighteen and one in that match in England

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Speaker 2: won by six hundred and seventy five runs. Happy birthday

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Speaker 2: too to Heath Davis from a Black Cap as well

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Speaker 2: appropriately a couple of cricketing milestones there to open the

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Speaker 2: show is that's where we march to begin with on

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Speaker 2: Weekend Sport. We'll get you to hack the oval regularly

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Speaker 2: throughout the program. Now Cricket correspondent Andrew Ortison. They're keeping

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Speaker 2: a close eye on proceedings for US as England bats

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Speaker 2: on early on day three, but they have lost a

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Speaker 2: couple of wickets. You might have heard Richard and the

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Speaker 2: Sports news there assessing whether Chris Wolkes was out while

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Speaker 2: he is in England to three hundred and eighty two

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Speaker 2: for seven now the lead of thirty four. Harry Brook's

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Speaker 2: finally gone as well this morning after resuming three hundred

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Speaker 2: and nineteen for five England now three hundred and eighty

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Speaker 2: two for seven. Former Black Cats player and coach John

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Speaker 2: Braseball will join us in a couple of moments to

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Speaker 2: get the states of the Test match from his expert view.

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Speaker 2: When did the fielding gets so bad with the black Caps?

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Speaker 2: Yesterday was a shock as six drop catchers added another

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Speaker 2: for good measure. This morning, John Bracewell in a couple

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Speaker 2: of moments time to assess where at this match at

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Speaker 2: Hagley Oval is at jack White after one. The former

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Speaker 2: spring box coach won a World Cup with the box

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Speaker 2: in two thousand and seven. He's weighed on the All

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Speaker 2: Blacks eligibility saga in a column on the last twenty

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Speaker 2: four hours. He'll explain why he believes it'll be a

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Speaker 2: mistake in his view for the All Blacks and New

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Speaker 2: Zealand Rugby to select players from overseas. Adam Peacock joins

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Speaker 2: us for the lattest across the Tasman. As always, we'll

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Speaker 2: take you inside the Auckland FC camp after two o'clock

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Speaker 2: as well the fifth game of the season as they

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Speaker 2: try to continue this winning run against a Newcastle this

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Speaker 2: afternoon five o'clock at Mount Smart Stadium in Auckland. Weathers

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Speaker 2: a bit patchy, bitter rain about in Auckland this morning.

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Speaker 2: That one kicks off at four five o'clock this afternoon.

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Speaker 2: We'll take you inside the camp Max matter, and we'll

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Speaker 2: also dig into a bit of tension playing out between

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Speaker 2: the Eight League and the Players Association as well. Your

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Speaker 2: calls and texts keep this show ticking over. We welcome

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Speaker 2: them at any point of the broadcast through until three o'clock.

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Speaker 2: Oh eight hundred and eighty, ten eighty for a chinwag,

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Speaker 2: nine two ninety two for a text message. Let's get

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Speaker 2: into it at ten after midday.

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Speaker 1: Analyzing every view from every angle in the Sporting World

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Speaker 1: Weekend sport call eighty U talks.

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Speaker 2: In me, Well, what's worse than six drop catchers? On

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Speaker 3: Guns o' rourke into Brooke and that's edge and draking.

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Speaker 4: God, oh it's.

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Speaker 3: Clean Phillips at gully and that was even simpler than

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Speaker 5: He's dropped chalking up number seven.

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Speaker 6: And Harry Brook is openly laughing because this is comical.

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Speaker 2: This is a clown show.

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Speaker 3: He didn't again, didn't move his feet, threw the hands

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Speaker 7: Well you think new day, new dawn.

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Speaker 8: It's the same old story.

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Speaker 2: And it's Matt Heath and the acc team there. The

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Speaker 2: managed to get Harry Brooke out. Just a few moments ago.

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Speaker 5: There was a poor shot from Brook, a tired shot, and.

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Speaker 3: Thank the Lord that Blundell took a catch, and.

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Speaker 5: The fortunate son Harry Brook has gone for one hundred

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Speaker 9: Yeah, one hundred and seventy one to six, Harry.

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Speaker 2: Brook, Yeah, so many drop catches. England now three hundred

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Speaker 10: No problem at all.

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Speaker 2: Well where do you see this Test match at with

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Speaker 10: Yeah, well it's moving in at three day three, the

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Speaker 10: But having picked up two wickets this morning, New Zealand

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Speaker 10: Under three figures and I think that they'll be quite

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Speaker 2: What did you make off as not?

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Speaker 2: Seven dropped catches, five of them to Harry Brook. There

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Speaker 10: Yeah, it's interesting because I've always thought that Hagley Oval

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Speaker 10: You think about the two guys who have been the

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Speaker 10: I mean, and that's in fact they're two of our

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Speaker 10: they haven't dropped many catches anywhere. Phillips drops the catches

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Speaker 10: So it's very very strange or unusual that those two

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Speaker 10: But those other two very very odd indeed, because late Night,

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Speaker 10: I think is probably one of the best catches we've

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Speaker 2: You're just thinking back to your time and tied to

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Speaker 2: the black Caps, John, you know, fielding was a real

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Speaker 10: I think it's just a New Zealand thing. It's the

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Speaker 2: What happened when you did, John.

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Speaker 10: I can still it's the only thing I can still

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Speaker 10: Richard Eddley. I can't remember dropping catches off other guys.

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Speaker 10: But if you drop catches off Richard Eddley, not because

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Speaker 2: bowling wise, I guess the drop catches is the headline.

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Speaker 2: But we've seen Nathan Smith make his debut and sort

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Speaker 2: Have have you made what have you made of the

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I quite I quite like Smith. There's a third

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Speaker 10: Duffy is a good bowler and he's yet to have that,

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Speaker 10: you know, that real opportunity as well. So our stocks

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Speaker 10: and I think New Zealand have done a pretty good

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Speaker 10: So I think New Zealand have done a pretty good

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Speaker 2: Indeed, and Tim Salvey bowing out, I'm trying to think,

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Speaker 2: did you introduce him to test cricket, John will he

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Speaker 2: was there your era.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, it was actually you know, only because I knew

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Speaker 12: I mean, as he stands on the customer's going to

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Speaker 4: But I'm just extremely frustrated you would think that we've

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Speaker 10: Chris.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, I always enjoy your rugby commentries. Thank you. Yeah,

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Speaker 10: Well, no, you.

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Speaker 14: This is actually about if we drop it, we drop it,

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Speaker 2: Well, that's right, and they've done so well to pull

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Speaker 2: There a long way to go on this Test match,

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Speaker 10: Hey.

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Speaker 14: The other thing is that that halo about three no

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Speaker 2: But that seems like incredible excuse making from rubbish Shastri,

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Speaker 14: Before before that series England lost four one, Australia lost

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Speaker 14: mister Shastri, you need to apologize in your Jellen Cricket

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Speaker 14: We've got it.

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Speaker 2: we've had, Chris, appreciate your call on a news talk

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Speaker 2: ZB this afternoon eight hundred and eighty eighty nine two

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Speaker 2: and say good afternoon to David House things Elliott Smith,

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Speaker 2: the former good Guy.

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Speaker 3: Hello, hell are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm good? How are you right?

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Speaker 16: And not terrorizing people with the Incan scores out of

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Speaker 16: South Africa?

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Speaker 2: That's right. I stay Clara Navis since you pulled me

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Speaker 2: up on that, Dave Well, yes, or.

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Speaker 16: Eight years ago or nine years ago as it will be.

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Speaker 16: But anyway, actually for the guy that's had a couple

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Speaker 16: of calls back about the World Chess Championship, but we

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Speaker 16: can't make it now anyway because South Africa are going

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Speaker 16: to wipe Sri Lanka. They'll win the second Test and

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Speaker 16: they've got two tests. They're only going to win one

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Speaker 16: against Pakistan and they're in. So it's going to be

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Speaker 16: Australia South Africa at lords anyway, no matter what happens.

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Speaker 16: I mean, you just can't see Sri Lanka getting out

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Speaker 16: of the series, even though you support them.

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Speaker 8: So that's where that is.

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Speaker 16: There's a couple of things I heard Zay before. Look, Blundele,

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Speaker 16: no matter what's going to happened, I'd agree with Zaye

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Speaker 16: on that, But our beloved coach isn't going to drop him.

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Speaker 16: The only thing I'd like to do is see him

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Speaker 16: move from six to seven and give Phillips at least

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Speaker 16: a chance to building innings without having to worry about tail.

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Speaker 16: From that point, he's going to see the series out. Blundle,

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Speaker 16: I mean, he only just held that catch for thing

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Speaker 16: this morning.

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Speaker 2: I completely agree. I don't know why they haven't why

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Speaker 2: Phillips isn't batting at six and Blundle at seven. Phillips

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Speaker 2: seems a much more assured test batter and is right

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Speaker 2: without that pressure of having to contribute to the tail

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Speaker 2: or balance the strike or hold the strike. I think

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Speaker 2: that would be a position that would much better suit him.

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Speaker 16: Well, he needs to do it without having the stress

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Speaker 16: of the tail there and so on like that.

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Speaker 17: So to me, that's that.

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Speaker 16: I mean, As for how the year i'd like to

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Speaker 16: I mean, I can see why they're giveing the new ball.

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Speaker 16: It's the best chance to swing it, but really you

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Speaker 16: need to give a rak the new ball these days.

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Speaker 16: I think it was one of Lathan's tactical mistakes. But

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Speaker 16: there's two other points I just wanted to make. I mean,

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Speaker 16: this team very very good. I still think they might

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Speaker 16: get out of this Test with a dry I mean

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Speaker 16: I think when you get this lead of one hundred,

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Speaker 16: which they will do, we're gonna have to get four

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Speaker 16: hundred and second. Things in hunt like hell that we

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Speaker 16: hold a catches the second time. But I'll tell you

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Speaker 16: what interested me was this whole Test match thing. Get Actually,

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Speaker 16: one of the things I grew up with was listening

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Speaker 16: to Channel nine in the eighties. How poor TV and

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Speaker 16: Z were as a commentary team in the eighties in

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Speaker 16: New Zealand with Peter Willen. It was horrible, probably before

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Speaker 16: your era, of course, But the thing being how craps

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Speaker 16: commentary team is that we're listening to now. If you

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Speaker 16: take out Craig McMillan, and if Richardson was there, which

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Speaker 16: is obviously not, I'm assuming it's because of his new job,

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Speaker 16: they're awful. I remember in Smith making comment last year

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Speaker 16: of how poor their team were as a commentary team

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Speaker 16: I'm referring to. And we had some chief executive out

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Speaker 16: of tvn Z say how wonderful Spotty Stevenson is a

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Speaker 16: play by play commentator? Why do we have a play

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Speaker 16: by play commentator? And that you don't get that around

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Speaker 16: the world now, apart from Mark how in Australia, and

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Speaker 16: it is different than most of them anyway, but this

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Speaker 16: team is a point. There's no humor, there's no do

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Speaker 16: we have to hear Frankie McKay just because she's a woman.

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Speaker 16: If she is, she ain't the best woman commentator in

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Speaker 16: the country. What happened to Katie Martin?

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 16: I just think it's very disappointing.

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Speaker 18: Really, it's just my.

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Speaker 2: No, everyone's got opinion on the commentary team, David, appreciate

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Speaker 2: your point of view on expertise, So look, as a

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Speaker 2: commentator myself, I'd try and stay clear of having too

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Speaker 2: many opinions on the state of other commentary teams. But

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Speaker 2: that's for you guys, the listeners. You guys can have

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Speaker 2: plenty of opinions on the commentary team and how it's

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Speaker 2: all set up across the Test season. England to move

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Speaker 2: through to four hundred and twenty six for seven, being

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Speaker 2: Stokes is not out sixty fives, that lead continuing to

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Speaker 2: build for England's seventy eight runs. What about twenty odd

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Speaker 2: minutes away from lunch, that is twenty two away from

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Speaker 2: one on News Talk Zbtach Bright come back with more

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Speaker 2: of your calls after this one.

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Speaker 1: Cruch hold Engage Weekend Sport with GJ Gunnos New Zealand's

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Speaker 1: most trusted a Bilder News Talk.

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Speaker 2: Baby twenty from one on News Talk ZB talking crack

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Speaker 2: at this hour on week in Sport. Let's go back

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Speaker 2: to the lines on eight hundred eighty eighteen eighty afternoon, Tim,

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Speaker 2: How are you.

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Speaker 13: Good?

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Speaker 19: Mate?

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Speaker 13: I think England's league will probably go more so one

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Speaker 13: fifty one seventy five because Stokes is still there and

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Speaker 13: unfortunately our fielding is just because the Test match. I

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Speaker 13: don't know what it is because over in India they

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Speaker 13: were keeping everything they were but you know, we have

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Speaker 13: those games. Obviously they've got to settle into the pitch.

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Speaker 13: They're going to settle into the playing back here in

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Speaker 13: New Zealand. But yeah, I think we're going to have

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Speaker 13: the bit well and we're probably looking at maybe sitting

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Speaker 13: a total of one eighty to two hundred for England and.

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Speaker 2: Then hoping that the ballers can can do the job

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Speaker 2: with it. That's a small target, isn't it. But I

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Speaker 2: suppose that might be the best case scenario at this point.

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Speaker 13: Well there is. I don't think we're going to score

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Speaker 13: four or five hundred rounds unless it's the draw. But quickly,

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Speaker 13: I just wanted to talk about at the you know,

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Speaker 13: because you're from Cannbury, right I am. What's the field

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Speaker 13: down south? Are they school Phoenix or are they dumping

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Speaker 13: on It's a good question.

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Speaker 2: Actually I haven't been home to christ Church in a week,

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Speaker 2: but I know there's a Wellington Phoenix home game in

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Speaker 2: christ Church in January, if memory serves so. I think

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Speaker 2: Wellington's trying to consolidate the power base around the rest

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Speaker 2: of the country. Now they can't have Auckland, oh.

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Speaker 13: Exactly, but man, there's an Auckland thing well at the

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Speaker 13: top of the table. They're probably going to win this weekend.

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Speaker 13: That will be five and now, and then the Phoenix

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Speaker 13: comes down next weekend and we're looking at twenty five

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Speaker 13: to thirty thousand at Mounts Stadium.

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Speaker 2: That's going to be huge, isn't it for a domestic

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Speaker 2: football game in New Zealand To get that sort of

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Speaker 2: crowd at Mount Smart is going to be quite incredible.

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Speaker 13: Oh and we need to talk about it more because

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Speaker 13: the two best teams have a competent New Villain teams.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what a start, what a start? Absolutely? Yeah, thanks Tim,

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Speaker 2: appreciate your call. And we've got Max Matter out of

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Speaker 2: Auckland if C to join the program after two o'clock

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Speaker 2: this afternoon as they play Newcastle five o'clock at Mount

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Speaker 2: Smart Stadium. Also talking Bo Bush with the Australian A

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Speaker 2: League Plats Association Football Plaids Association. He will join us

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Speaker 2: as well, but of a tiff going on between the

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Speaker 2: players and the organization that runs the A League bowltous

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Speaker 2: a bit more about that after two o'clock on News

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Speaker 2: Talk zib B. Let's go to Tony afternoon.

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Speaker 9: Hi afternoon, guys, have the game?

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Speaker 2: Good thank yourself?

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Speaker 18: Not you Ben.

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Speaker 9: I like the commentators. I think I think they're funny.

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Speaker 9: That Sehn Stevenson's the crag up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. Look, everyone's got a personal opinion, don't they,

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Speaker 2: on whether the commentary team suits them or don't and

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Speaker 2: you know some people don't like them, some people do

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Speaker 2: And that's the magic of opinions and TV and radio.

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Speaker 9: It must be a hard job.

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Speaker 10: It can't be easy, certainly not.

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Speaker 2: What are you making the Test met at the moment, Tony,

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Speaker 2: h I.

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Speaker 9: Think we're going to read those drop catches yesterday?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you can't drop six in a day,

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Speaker 2: can you? And expect to be in front of the

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Speaker 2: Test match? And another one this morning? Given you know,

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Speaker 2: play like Harry Brooke and you know Ben Stokes at

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Speaker 2: the crease still just feels like maybe might be just

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Speaker 2: slipping away from New Zealand a little bit at this point.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it looks like it. I'm watching it live now

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Speaker 9: and being stakes. He just looks very comfortable out here,

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Speaker 9: doesn't he.

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Speaker 2: Well it is his hometown, uh Oval in christ j

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Speaker 2: So he looks very assured that he puts a high

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Speaker 2: price on his wicket.

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Speaker 14: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: The hot tonight, aren't they?

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Speaker 2: The five o'clock five games looking to win in a row.

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Speaker 2: I don't think anyone could have believed that kind of

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Speaker 2: start that they'd make. Yeah, yeah, can I Tony? Thanks

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Speaker 2: for your this afternoon appreciated. Oh eight hundred eighty ten

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Speaker 2: eighty nine two nine two for a text message. Couple

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Speaker 2: of texts, and Lee says, there's love the fact that

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Speaker 2: it's a three match test series because this match is

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Speaker 2: only one may basin sink the English. I like the

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Speaker 2: pun next test starting later next week of course, and

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Speaker 2: then set in part two, round things out and there's

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Speaker 2: the test schedule done for the summer, done and dusted.

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Speaker 2: I suppose they had the three tests in India, but

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Speaker 2: they went to New Zealand conditions and I don't think

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Speaker 2: there's any test matches on the horizon for quite some

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Speaker 2: time after that. So make the most of these next

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Speaker 2: three weeks or so while it lasts, because there is

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Speaker 2: going to be a dearth of test cricket coming very

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Speaker 2: very shortly. Thank you Tony for the core, Lee for

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Speaker 2: the text. Let's go too. Hagley Oval with England four

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Speaker 2: hundred and thirty four for seven hour Man on the ground,

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Speaker 2: Our create correspondent Andrew Ortison afternoon orders.

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Speaker 17: Greeting sith yes brutal da again for New Zealand. Here

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Speaker 17: it looks like England getting on with the job. And yeah,

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Speaker 17: have extended that lead now for closing in on it's

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Speaker 17: closing what that's eighty seven now I think is it?

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Speaker 2: It is eighty seven.

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Speaker 17: They've pushed out too and it's going to be a

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Speaker 17: difficult task for New Zealand coming in after this. You

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Speaker 17: would suspect with that pressure on. So we've seen today

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Speaker 17: with Harry Brook getting this amazing hospitality from the black Caps.

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Speaker 17: Effectively they got a fifth dropped catch off his batting.

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Speaker 17: This time it was Phillips and the gully who put

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Speaker 17: him down. That was on one hundred and forty seven.

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Speaker 17: He was eventually dismissed for one seventy one and it

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Speaker 17: looks like six runs there again now this time from

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Speaker 17: the bat of gush Atkinson, who does have a test century.

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Speaker 17: He's moved to forty four and that's now for forty

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Speaker 17: one four seven.

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Speaker 2: This lead at ninety three at the moment could balloon

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Speaker 2: very very quickly. There's the psychological barrier of one hundred,

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Speaker 2: of course, which they're obviously probably going to take off

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Speaker 2: barring some quick black Caps will gets here. But the

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Speaker 2: beggar it gets, the harder it is for the black

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Speaker 2: Caps to pull themselves back into this contest.

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Speaker 17: Well, that's right, and you know with the spatting to

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Speaker 17: come with the at considered the wicket at the moment,

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Speaker 17: even Brighton cass has got our first class center. He's

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Speaker 17: been next in in Stokes. Continuing on Stokes seventy at

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Speaker 17: the moment Atkinson forty four. I think that's going to

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Speaker 17: be an enormous amount of pressure to be able to

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Speaker 17: be able to work. And I'm just seeing the power

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Speaker 17: there again from Atkinson through the covers off the back

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Speaker 17: foot and that is out of the boundary floor four

651
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Speaker 17: more so, he's living closer this half century, going at

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Speaker 17: a raid of knots. But he's got their forty eight

653
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Speaker 17: or thirty five balls so far. So there's that element.

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Speaker 17: They've bristled with aggression in England and they've been of

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Speaker 17: course he's in with a fifth drop catch of Brook

656
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Speaker 17: the seventh for the innings. In terms of drop catchers,

657
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Speaker 17: they've let themselves down in that regard. It's going to

658
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Speaker 17: be a tough ride from here.

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Speaker 2: What if you made of the fielding because it feels

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Speaker 2: to me like it has been going off the well

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Speaker 2: for a wee while. Now is this a one off

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Speaker 2: or is it more symptomatic of something else than the

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Speaker 2: black Caps environment?

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Speaker 17: Yeah, it it hasn't felt as sharp as as it

665
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Speaker 17: has in the past. Is all I think is in

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Speaker 17: the ear. It is the work growing around the ground,

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Speaker 17: and there's the cat's being taken. It has been taken

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Speaker 17: by lots of things, just looking out from beyond the

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Speaker 17: ted here. So that is the dismissal of Gus Atkinson

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Speaker 17: for forty eight off what was thirty six balls in

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Speaker 17: the now four forty five for eight. So yeah, hopefully

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Speaker 17: they can from a new Zinom perspective at least cut

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Speaker 17: down on that lead. So yeah, just speaking of the

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Speaker 17: field in this one, there's a good example of how

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Speaker 17: it should be.

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Speaker 2: That's right, sharp hands, just a jinx your call. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's more of that, more of that, just finally orders,

678
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Speaker 2: I guess, being Stokes at the crease at the moment.

679
00:36:00,707 --> 00:36:03,587
Speaker 2: We've seen Harry Brooks knuckle down, but Ben Stokes puts

680
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Speaker 2: a high price on his wicket. We've seen that in

681
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Speaker 2: excuse me, previous test endings that he's had the ashes,

682
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Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera. He's a difference, probably, isn't he

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Speaker 2: Between one hundred and fifty leads for England in a

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Speaker 2: lead just over one hundred.

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Speaker 17: I think so, and I would expect, you know, we

686
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Speaker 17: could potentially see some real aggression here from Stokes from

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Speaker 17: him on and given what we've seen, as you say,

688
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Speaker 17: in the past and what he's now able to play

689
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Speaker 17: in a bit of a nemesis I think for New

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Speaker 17: Zealand as well as all that element of the World

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Speaker 17: Cup Final, and I think never goes away when in

692
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Speaker 17: stakes comes to the record, allbit in the white ball format.

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Speaker 17: So you're thinking back to that twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 13: Moment at Lords when he was able to get England through.

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Speaker 13: So yeah, that's certainly just as.

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Speaker 17: The narrative, doesn't it when England play New Zealand and

697
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Speaker 17: it's it's been a good condition. I mean's just thinking

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Speaker 17: too today it's playing in a pretty good spirit and

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Speaker 17: you know, just I was actually walking through the Botanic

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Speaker 17: Gardens and Brendan McCallum and the coaching team were wandering

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Speaker 17: through as well. I think there's just such a rarity

702
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Speaker 17: the will forless guys. I mean, England play so regularly

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Speaker 17: compared to these yelands. As you're making the point the

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Speaker 17: forties zons next series I think July against Zimbabwe unless

705
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Speaker 17: they make the World Test Championship Final. But just the

706
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Speaker 17: rare thing you know sometimes these guys are under armed

707
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Speaker 17: guard around the world, but just about to wander through.

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Speaker 17: You know this to be like christ Church Garden City

709
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Speaker 17: and to be able to take that liberty is really

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Speaker 17: something to cherish.

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Speaker 2: Spectacular walk it is as well through the botanic gardens. Orders.

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Speaker 2: We'll lead get back to proceedings and I have some

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Speaker 2: some filing to do. Look look forward to a touching

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Speaker 2: base a bit later on, and looking forward to a

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Speaker 2: comprehensive wrap of what was provided in the lunch room

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Speaker 2: as well.

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Speaker 17: I'll be sure to note that down astidy. But just

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Speaker 17: leaving you here now full forty five for eight England

719
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Speaker 17: with the Stokes still working on seventy and Brighton Cass

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Speaker 17: yet to score.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much Andrew Ordison, our MA and at

722
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Speaker 2: Hagley Oval for all the updates, our credit correspondent, and

723
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Speaker 2: as he said, England four hundred and forty five eight.

724
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Speaker 2: That lead now at ninety seven. Stoaks not outs on seventy.

725
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Speaker 2: They started the day what five down earlier in the

726
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Speaker 2: morning and the black Caps have taken three wickets, but

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Speaker 2: certainly you'd say on the balance of things, probably England's

728
00:38:20,947 --> 00:38:24,067
Speaker 2: morning again has Ben Stokes goes big again. We'll take

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Speaker 2: a break here on news Talk ZEBB. Come back wrap

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Speaker 2: the hour after.

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Speaker 1: This the scoop from the track field and the court

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Speaker 1: on your home of fort weekends for it Talk.

733
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Speaker 2: It is seven away from one on news Talk ZBB

734
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Speaker 2: England now passed one hundred in the lead, one hundred

735
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Speaker 2: and three, the lead four hundred and fifty, one for eight.

736
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Speaker 2: The black Caps just trying to mop up this tale

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Speaker 2: before lunch on day three of the cricket Test at

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Speaker 2: Hagley Over Will O'Rourke charging in at the moment one

739
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Speaker 2: for one hundred and eight. Not having much luck will

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Speaker 2: O'Rourke at this point in time, the Black Cats dearly

741
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Speaker 2: love to get one more before lunch and head into

742
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Speaker 2: the kitchenettes or the cafeteriat at Hagley Oval with their

743
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Speaker 2: tails up. Or keep you updated with a lunch score

744
00:39:14,507 --> 00:39:18,547
Speaker 2: on that here on Weekend Sport after one o'clock. Interesting chat,

745
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Speaker 2: So looking forward to this one. Jack White, the former

746
00:39:22,307 --> 00:39:25,347
Speaker 2: coach of the spring Box two thousand and seven, won

747
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Speaker 2: a World Cup with them, and he coached around the

748
00:39:28,067 --> 00:39:29,987
Speaker 2: globe as well, did the Brumbies. For a bird is

749
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Speaker 2: that Montpellier he was linked with the Wolbies and end

750
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Speaker 2: up doing that one. He's now back at the Blue Bulls.

751
00:39:36,027 --> 00:39:39,067
Speaker 2: Is the director of Rugby pen to a really interesting

752
00:39:39,147 --> 00:39:42,107
Speaker 2: column for Rugby Pass which you can read in the

753
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Speaker 2: last twenty four hours or so, basically saying that New

754
00:39:44,747 --> 00:39:48,307
Speaker 2: Zealand Rugby should not pick players from abroad. Of course,

755
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Speaker 2: this is an ongoing debate that we're having in this

756
00:39:51,707 --> 00:39:54,747
Speaker 2: country and all backs coach Scott Robertson putting forth his

757
00:39:54,907 --> 00:39:57,667
Speaker 2: views again and we'll do so to the New Zealand

758
00:39:57,747 --> 00:40:01,627
Speaker 2: Rugby board in the coming month or two around his perspective.

759
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Speaker 2: But Jack White, basically saying New Zealand Rugby do not

760
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Speaker 2: do it, will join us after the one o'clock news

761
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Speaker 2: to explain his rationale why he believes it would be

762
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Speaker 2: a misstep for New Zealand Rugby to start picking players

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Speaker 2: from abroad. Adam Peacock's going to join us as well

764
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Speaker 2: with the latest out of Austracaian Sport Wallaby's Island of

765
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Speaker 2: course early hours tomorrow morning. But I want to discuss

766
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Speaker 2: that test Series one kneel down the black Cat, sorry

767
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Speaker 2: India leading Australia in that series second test starting on Friday.

768
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Speaker 2: I want to get Adam Peacock's a reaction to that.

769
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Speaker 2: I'm sure he'll have an interesting perspective on that. And

770
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Speaker 2: after two o'clock it's all football here on Weekends. Max

771
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Speaker 2: Matter out of Auckland FC to join the program. They

772
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Speaker 2: done for their fifth straight win this afternoon at a

773
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Speaker 2: Mount Smart Stadium that is looking likely to be a

774
00:40:50,987 --> 00:40:54,667
Speaker 2: little bit raining as the Newcastle Jets come to town.

775
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Speaker 2: Max Matter to join the program After two o'clock here

776
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Speaker 2: on a News Talk ZB England. Four hundred and fifty

777
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Speaker 2: six for eight. This will probably be the last over

778
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Speaker 2: before lunch. The lead is at one hundred and Nathan

779
00:41:07,427 --> 00:41:10,387
Speaker 2: Smith trundling in in the black Caps lineup at the moment.

780
00:41:10,627 --> 00:41:14,067
Speaker 2: Ben Stokes on strike where will take a break and

781
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Speaker 2: come back with the news, sport and weather. Sandy and

782
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Speaker 2: Richard's coming up with new sport and weather here on

783
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Speaker 2: News Talk ZB. And after one o'clock Jake White joins

784
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Speaker 2: us talking all Blacks eligibility where it is three away

785
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Speaker 2: from one.

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Speaker 1: The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on

787
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Speaker 1: and afterfield. It's all on week and sport on your

788
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Speaker 1: home of sport News Talks MB.

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Speaker 20: Why are we going here with your week.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in to Weekend Sport for the thirtieth of

791
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Speaker 2: November twenty twenty four. They have gone to lunch in

792
00:41:50,507 --> 00:41:52,787
Speaker 2: the cricket four hundred and fifty nine for eight. As

793
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Speaker 2: you heard in the news, that's the lead of one

794
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Speaker 2: hundred and eleven four England at lunch on day three.

795
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Speaker 2: We'll check back in with Andrew Ordison after two o'clock

796
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Speaker 2: to get his assessment of how the middle seat of

797
00:42:06,627 --> 00:42:10,987
Speaker 2: the day is moving along. Play back underway around twenty

798
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Speaker 2: to two. Coming up this hour on the program. Jack White,

799
00:42:15,867 --> 00:42:18,627
Speaker 2: two cardsand and seven Rugby World Cup winning coach with

800
00:42:18,667 --> 00:42:22,547
Speaker 2: the spring Box to join the program. Written an interesting

801
00:42:22,707 --> 00:42:27,347
Speaker 2: opinion piece on why New Zealand Rugby should stick with

802
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Speaker 2: their current eligibility laws. Jack White, just a moment of

803
00:42:30,827 --> 00:42:33,547
Speaker 2: two away we head across the Tasman Adam Peacock, our

804
00:42:33,547 --> 00:42:36,627
Speaker 2: Aussie correspondent later in the hour as well, talk a

805
00:42:36,627 --> 00:42:40,027
Speaker 2: bit of cricket, bit of rugby with Adam after two o'clock.

806
00:42:41,027 --> 00:42:45,067
Speaker 2: Plenty of the round ball football Bo Bush, boss of

807
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Speaker 2: the Players Professional Footballers Association across the Tasman. They're not

808
00:42:50,307 --> 00:42:52,947
Speaker 2: happy with the way things are being run in the

809
00:42:52,987 --> 00:42:55,827
Speaker 2: A leagues. So while it's all rosy over here in

810
00:42:56,267 --> 00:42:59,907
Speaker 2: Auckland FC's top of the pops and Wellington Phoenix tucked

811
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Speaker 2: in behind, there are some real issues in the A League.

812
00:43:03,387 --> 00:43:06,627
Speaker 2: Bo Bush is going to explain what the players are

813
00:43:06,747 --> 00:43:09,227
Speaker 2: up in arms about after two o'clock and we get

814
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Speaker 2: into Auckland FC camp as well. Max Matter to join

815
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Speaker 2: the program ahead of the fifth game of their first

816
00:43:15,667 --> 00:43:20,827
Speaker 2: ever campaign at five o'clock this afternoon against Newcastle eight

817
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Speaker 2: and a half. After one on newsed Talk zbb well,

818
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Speaker 2: Jack White wrote a very interesting opinion piece. He might

819
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Speaker 2: be able to check it out on Rugby Pass this

820
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Speaker 2: afternoon if you get a moment or so. Eligibility wise,

821
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Speaker 2: always a thorny topic when it comes to New Zealand

822
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Speaker 2: rugby and the All Blacks picking players from overseas or not.

823
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Speaker 2: It's again read its heads with All Blacks coach Scott

824
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Speaker 2: Robinson asked about it after the final game of the

825
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Speaker 2: Test season last week by media. He's spoken about it before,

826
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Speaker 2: of course, and has used the phrase he used last

827
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Speaker 2: week open mind or keeping an open mind before, but

828
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Speaker 2: this time he's going to present to the New Zealand

829
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Speaker 2: Rugby board arms with a bit more information some data.

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Speaker 2: He's had fourteen tests in charge. Of course, this year

831
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Speaker 2: he's coached at test level for the first time. He's

832
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Speaker 2: got more evidence as to where the game is heading.

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Speaker 2: And being able to pick players from overseas certainly seems

834
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Speaker 2: that his perspective is some ability to pick players from

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Speaker 2: off sure this, of course, with Richie Monger currently playing

836
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Speaker 2: his rugby at Toshiba in Japan, suggestions and reports abound

837
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Speaker 2: that he is poised to sign with New Zealand Rugby. Again,

838
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Speaker 2: nothing official on that front at this point in time.

839
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Speaker 2: As I say, former Springboks coach Jack Wader will cut

840
00:44:45,347 --> 00:44:47,947
Speaker 2: winning one at that writing column for Rugby Pass in

841
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Speaker 2: the last day or so, and this line from it,

842
00:44:51,067 --> 00:44:53,267
Speaker 2: Scott Robinson's men would have been frustrated to have gone

843
00:44:53,307 --> 00:44:55,627
Speaker 2: down to France by a point and failed to put

844
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Speaker 2: away Italy after they put ninety six points on them

845
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Speaker 2: just over a year ago. I can understand them looking

846
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Speaker 2: around and saying, maybe you just bring in the overseas guys,

847
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Speaker 2: But I don't think that's a silver lot to solve

848
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Speaker 2: their desperation to retain the crown as the world's best team.

849
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Speaker 2: It's a calm with reading, but to explain more. Jake White,

850
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Speaker 2: former spring Box coach now the Bulls director of Rugby,

851
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Speaker 2: joins us on News Talk ZEBB this afternoon. Jake, thanks

852
00:45:20,187 --> 00:45:20,987
Speaker 2: so much for your time.

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Speaker 12: Thank you. I'm glad I can join you guys.

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Speaker 2: Jake, I really enjoyed reading that piece that you wrote

855
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Speaker 2: for Ruggy Pass. It was thought provoking. Look, I've tried

856
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Speaker 2: to summarize it for our listeners, but in your own words,

857
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Speaker 2: perhaps explain to us why you believe that it would

858
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Speaker 2: be the wrong step for New Zealand rugby to open

859
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Speaker 2: the eligibility doors to players from abroad.

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Speaker 14: Yeah.

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Speaker 12: I look, I'm old school and I and I you know,

862
00:45:46,987 --> 00:45:49,107
Speaker 12: they will. It's a debate. It's a debate, but there

863
00:45:49,107 --> 00:45:51,667
Speaker 12: will be people that go, which they have been. I've

864
00:45:51,667 --> 00:45:55,507
Speaker 12: been following the bloggers and there's a lot of you know,

865
00:45:55,507 --> 00:45:58,467
Speaker 12: a lot of sentiment about come on, it's it's in

866
00:45:58,547 --> 00:46:02,627
Speaker 12: modern times. It's players can earn money. Surely they can

867
00:46:02,667 --> 00:46:06,187
Speaker 12: player this season, play for their country. I just think,

868
00:46:06,787 --> 00:46:08,987
Speaker 12: you know, it's not it's not my chance that the

869
00:46:09,027 --> 00:46:10,947
Speaker 12: fall out of the five or father of the toub

870
00:46:11,027 --> 00:46:15,387
Speaker 12: six teams don't pick foreign based players. England and France

871
00:46:15,427 --> 00:46:20,787
Speaker 12: don't he's illand don't an island, don't and and they've

872
00:46:20,827 --> 00:46:23,667
Speaker 12: all they all can they consistently stay on the top

873
00:46:23,707 --> 00:46:27,587
Speaker 12: of world rugby. So you know, I asked myself the question,

874
00:46:27,627 --> 00:46:29,147
Speaker 12: and I asked a couple of guys because I knew

875
00:46:29,187 --> 00:46:31,947
Speaker 12: you were going to find me tonight. And Eliot's very simple.

876
00:46:32,307 --> 00:46:34,787
Speaker 12: If we had lost the quarterfinal by one point, and

877
00:46:34,827 --> 00:46:36,707
Speaker 12: I know we were won the quarter final by one,

878
00:46:36,787 --> 00:46:39,947
Speaker 12: the semi final by one, the final by one, if

879
00:46:39,947 --> 00:46:42,467
Speaker 12: we had lost the quarterfinal by one point, would the

880
00:46:42,507 --> 00:46:45,907
Speaker 12: world be following our model. It's saying that picking foreign

881
00:46:45,987 --> 00:46:47,987
Speaker 12: based players is the way to go forward, and I'm

882
00:46:48,027 --> 00:46:49,947
Speaker 12: not so sure that that would give a model even

883
00:46:50,027 --> 00:46:50,427
Speaker 12: we'd want.

884
00:46:51,267 --> 00:46:53,707
Speaker 2: It's focused around I guess Richie Mulwanga from a New

885
00:46:53,787 --> 00:46:57,347
Speaker 2: Zealand perspective and getting him back from overseas. But if

886
00:46:57,387 --> 00:46:59,547
Speaker 2: the doors were open and he was still playing in

887
00:46:59,627 --> 00:47:02,187
Speaker 2: Japan you could pick him from. Then it would allow

888
00:47:02,267 --> 00:47:05,187
Speaker 2: Sam Kine, for example, to be pecks. But do you

889
00:47:05,227 --> 00:47:07,947
Speaker 2: think it's a dangerous president to peck it on the

890
00:47:07,947 --> 00:47:11,227
Speaker 2: basis of say one player or one group of players

891
00:47:11,227 --> 00:47:12,827
Speaker 2: at a certain point in history.

892
00:47:14,627 --> 00:47:16,387
Speaker 12: Well, you could have won the World Cup with Nick

893
00:47:16,387 --> 00:47:20,787
Speaker 12: Evans and you went for Stephen Donald. You know, so

894
00:47:20,787 --> 00:47:22,747
Speaker 12: I saw again someone said to me the fourth or

895
00:47:22,747 --> 00:47:25,107
Speaker 12: fifth and when you had Nick Evans playing at all,

896
00:47:25,107 --> 00:47:27,427
Speaker 12: Equins was on top of his game, playing in the UK,

897
00:47:27,787 --> 00:47:29,867
Speaker 12: didn't get picked for the World Cup. Pick Stephen Donald,

898
00:47:29,907 --> 00:47:33,187
Speaker 12: who was white. They fishing ended up winning the World Cup.

899
00:47:33,267 --> 00:47:36,227
Speaker 12: So you know it ironic. I think that if you look,

900
00:47:37,067 --> 00:47:39,147
Speaker 12: you really have never had to pick foreign those players.

901
00:47:39,187 --> 00:47:42,227
Speaker 12: And I've still won three World Cups, So you know,

902
00:47:42,267 --> 00:47:45,587
Speaker 12: I don't I don't think that it is my mumble opinion.

903
00:47:45,627 --> 00:47:47,747
Speaker 12: I don't think that which is no Longer is going

904
00:47:47,827 --> 00:47:49,187
Speaker 12: to make you win the World Cup. I think you've

905
00:47:49,187 --> 00:47:53,627
Speaker 12: got enough rugby players there. And if it means that

906
00:47:53,667 --> 00:47:55,947
Speaker 12: you're going to pick rich In no Longer and Tazzell

907
00:47:56,187 --> 00:47:58,747
Speaker 12: as a loose forward, you end up winning the World Cup. Well,

908
00:47:58,787 --> 00:48:02,547
Speaker 12: when I think the problem is much deeper than you guys.

909
00:48:02,587 --> 00:48:05,627
Speaker 2: Foresee at the top of your call, and you mentioned

910
00:48:05,627 --> 00:48:08,787
Speaker 2: some of the sacrifice is Rigg Combay and the finger

911
00:48:08,827 --> 00:48:14,427
Speaker 2: being amputated Buck Shelford of course, and the stray boots

912
00:48:14,747 --> 00:48:18,747
Speaker 2: and yeah, Sam Whitelocke's grandfather. You mentions old Nelson dale

913
00:48:18,787 --> 00:48:20,547
Speaker 2: Zel who was injured in the Second World War went

914
00:48:20,547 --> 00:48:23,187
Speaker 2: on to play for the All Blacks, and that sacrifice.

915
00:48:23,227 --> 00:48:26,387
Speaker 2: You know, you go overseas, you sacrifice something, and that

916
00:48:26,507 --> 00:48:28,307
Speaker 2: isn't in this case in All Blacks Jersey.

917
00:48:30,747 --> 00:48:32,787
Speaker 12: Well, you know, I mean, you know, there's a very

918
00:48:32,907 --> 00:48:35,227
Speaker 12: very easy thing to say, you've got a sacrifice, and

919
00:48:35,587 --> 00:48:38,307
Speaker 12: sacrifice has got to hurt. I mean, it's easy to say.

920
00:48:39,147 --> 00:48:40,827
Speaker 12: You know. I know we're living in modern times. But

921
00:48:40,867 --> 00:48:43,667
Speaker 12: I think and I can't overemphasize enough that I think,

922
00:48:43,747 --> 00:48:48,947
Speaker 12: having toured New Zealand many times, having what's from outside

923
00:48:49,027 --> 00:48:52,267
Speaker 12: how important the Black Jersey is, having read many many,

924
00:48:53,787 --> 00:48:56,587
Speaker 12: you know, books about how important the Black jersey is,

925
00:48:56,667 --> 00:48:59,787
Speaker 12: having seen many documentaries about how important the Black jerseys,

926
00:48:59,827 --> 00:49:02,947
Speaker 12: I think once you open that gate and you allow

927
00:49:03,067 --> 00:49:06,107
Speaker 12: foreign players that are playing abroad to pick for your country,

928
00:49:06,947 --> 00:49:09,107
Speaker 12: I think you're going to lose something that's very very

929
00:49:09,227 --> 00:49:11,147
Speaker 12: unique in your country. And that is the thing.

930
00:49:11,267 --> 00:49:11,547
Speaker 13: I think.

931
00:49:11,587 --> 00:49:14,707
Speaker 12: It keeps the All Blacks from outside, that's the thing

932
00:49:14,747 --> 00:49:17,547
Speaker 12: that I see that keeps the All Blacks as competitive

933
00:49:17,587 --> 00:49:20,827
Speaker 12: as any country in any sport where you're after you

934
00:49:20,947 --> 00:49:24,307
Speaker 12: and I think once you change that, I'm not convinced

935
00:49:24,307 --> 00:49:26,507
Speaker 12: you you're ever going to get it back.

936
00:49:27,347 --> 00:49:29,987
Speaker 2: We probably look at South Africa at the moment and go, well,

937
00:49:30,027 --> 00:49:32,067
Speaker 2: you can peck all these players from overseas and then

938
00:49:32,067 --> 00:49:34,467
Speaker 2: the ones that are developing in urec side like the

939
00:49:34,467 --> 00:49:37,267
Speaker 2: one that your director of rugby for and it gives

940
00:49:37,307 --> 00:49:40,147
Speaker 2: them a wider pall. But do you think that's not

941
00:49:40,187 --> 00:49:43,547
Speaker 2: necessarily it's just a happenstance of because we're at this

942
00:49:43,627 --> 00:49:45,587
Speaker 2: point in time South Africa's got the depth. It will

943
00:49:45,587 --> 00:49:48,027
Speaker 2: swing back at some other points in New Zealand other

944
00:49:48,067 --> 00:49:50,187
Speaker 2: countries around the world that you know, this is just

945
00:49:50,227 --> 00:49:52,227
Speaker 2: a moment in time with the depth scenario for the

946
00:49:52,227 --> 00:49:52,747
Speaker 2: all Blacks.

947
00:49:54,587 --> 00:49:56,627
Speaker 12: That's exactly what I think. I think it all goes

948
00:49:56,667 --> 00:49:57,627
Speaker 12: in cycles.

949
00:49:57,907 --> 00:49:58,107
Speaker 14: You know.

950
00:49:58,187 --> 00:50:01,107
Speaker 12: People said, oh, if it wasn't for pe players playing overseas,

951
00:50:01,107 --> 00:50:03,747
Speaker 12: we wouldn't have produced the Canaan Moodies and wouldn't have

952
00:50:03,787 --> 00:50:07,547
Speaker 12: produced the youngsters that are coming through. Well, my answer

953
00:50:07,587 --> 00:50:10,147
Speaker 12: to that is really simply where did all the young

954
00:50:10,227 --> 00:50:13,227
Speaker 12: players come through in the old days? Where did you

955
00:50:13,267 --> 00:50:17,307
Speaker 12: know the ass name on the poor villain says the

956
00:50:17,347 --> 00:50:19,747
Speaker 12: Lutiakas and all that come through when we had a

957
00:50:19,827 --> 00:50:23,307
Speaker 12: generation of players who never left the shores. So I

958
00:50:23,347 --> 00:50:26,707
Speaker 12: think it's one eye to suggest that because people are

959
00:50:26,707 --> 00:50:29,987
Speaker 12: playing overseas, therefore we produce better players in South Africa.

960
00:50:30,027 --> 00:50:33,427
Speaker 12: I really don't believe that that's the case. I mean,

961
00:50:33,467 --> 00:50:36,147
Speaker 12: we produced some very very good rugby players, in fact,

962
00:50:36,707 --> 00:50:38,587
Speaker 12: some of the best players in the world in the

963
00:50:38,667 --> 00:50:40,907
Speaker 12: times that no one was allowed to play over season,

964
00:50:40,947 --> 00:50:44,147
Speaker 12: no one was picked from playing overseas, So I genuinely

965
00:50:44,147 --> 00:50:45,907
Speaker 12: don't think it's one or the other.

966
00:50:46,227 --> 00:50:49,107
Speaker 2: Two thousand and seven Rugby All Cup winning coach Jake White,

967
00:50:49,507 --> 00:50:50,987
Speaker 2: who won up with the spring Box with us on

968
00:50:51,027 --> 00:50:54,507
Speaker 2: Weekend Sport, is currently the Blue Balls Director of Rugby.

969
00:50:55,107 --> 00:50:55,307
Speaker 14: Jake.

970
00:50:55,347 --> 00:50:57,107
Speaker 2: Obviously there's been a lot of success for the spring

971
00:50:57,147 --> 00:51:03,107
Speaker 2: Box since they changed those eligibility laws and these circumstances

972
00:51:03,147 --> 00:51:06,027
Speaker 2: dictating it around the rams and the power of that abroad.

973
00:51:06,067 --> 00:51:08,507
Speaker 2: But do you think that anyone will go actually we

974
00:51:08,507 --> 00:51:10,627
Speaker 2: need to wind this back and get out players back

975
00:51:10,707 --> 00:51:12,747
Speaker 2: playing in South Africa domestically.

976
00:51:14,587 --> 00:51:16,547
Speaker 12: Well, I'll answer your question. If there's anyone that's OVERGA

977
00:51:16,627 --> 00:51:19,747
Speaker 12: that once that like that, it's me. I mean, I

978
00:51:19,827 --> 00:51:23,067
Speaker 12: coach a provincial fide in South Africa and we must

979
00:51:23,107 --> 00:51:25,227
Speaker 12: never kill the grouse that lays the golden neck. If

980
00:51:25,267 --> 00:51:27,187
Speaker 12: it's going to be a three four where everyone can

981
00:51:27,227 --> 00:51:30,307
Speaker 12: go overseason still play international rugby, then what all happen

982
00:51:30,467 --> 00:51:32,827
Speaker 12: is that the domestic rugby in our country will die,

983
00:51:32,947 --> 00:51:36,307
Speaker 12: and you know, the supporters won't put money into the game,

984
00:51:36,387 --> 00:51:39,227
Speaker 12: the sponsors won't put money into the game, the supporters

985
00:51:39,267 --> 00:51:42,147
Speaker 12: won't come to the games and watch live rugby because

986
00:51:42,147 --> 00:51:44,667
Speaker 12: the best players will be playing in other competitions. So

987
00:51:45,707 --> 00:51:47,187
Speaker 12: you know, we've got to be careful what we wish

988
00:51:47,227 --> 00:51:49,107
Speaker 12: for because if all the best players in New Zealand

989
00:51:49,147 --> 00:51:50,827
Speaker 12: on ever in New Zealand and the only played for

990
00:51:50,867 --> 00:51:52,507
Speaker 12: the All Blacks, well, when you're going to kill your

991
00:51:52,507 --> 00:51:55,747
Speaker 12: domestic game. And the one thing New Zealand have managed

992
00:51:55,747 --> 00:51:58,827
Speaker 12: to do with a very small population is build up

993
00:51:58,867 --> 00:52:03,427
Speaker 12: their grassroots, their club rugby, their schools rugby, their university rugby,

994
00:52:04,147 --> 00:52:06,147
Speaker 12: you know, even their women's rugby at this stage. So

995
00:52:06,507 --> 00:52:09,547
Speaker 12: you know, there's no doubt in my mind that you know,

996
00:52:09,627 --> 00:52:11,507
Speaker 12: once you open the gate, and I say it again,

997
00:52:11,587 --> 00:52:14,107
Speaker 12: you're you're going to lose something that's very very special

998
00:52:14,147 --> 00:52:15,067
Speaker 12: to New Zealand.

999
00:52:15,507 --> 00:52:17,987
Speaker 2: Just finally, on that point, Jake, the line your ruggy

1000
00:52:17,987 --> 00:52:20,587
Speaker 2: past thing is that short term gain for long term

1001
00:52:20,627 --> 00:52:23,867
Speaker 2: pain because once you open that gate, you can't really

1002
00:52:23,907 --> 00:52:26,267
Speaker 2: close it, can you. From a New Zealand perspective.

1003
00:52:27,787 --> 00:52:29,787
Speaker 12: Well, I mean you go back and rowind the clock.

1004
00:52:29,827 --> 00:52:32,147
Speaker 12: Once you put a sponse on your jersey, they was gone.

1005
00:52:32,187 --> 00:52:34,227
Speaker 12: You know. You guys hadn't one for years and years

1006
00:52:34,267 --> 00:52:37,267
Speaker 12: without having to put asponse on the front of your jumper.

1007
00:52:38,067 --> 00:52:40,507
Speaker 12: And you saw one World Cups. So it does work.

1008
00:52:40,947 --> 00:52:44,107
Speaker 12: It does work. I think you know, I just said

1009
00:52:44,147 --> 00:52:45,547
Speaker 12: to someone to life, I knew you were going to

1010
00:52:45,627 --> 00:52:47,227
Speaker 12: call me, and I was going to ask you a question.

1011
00:52:47,307 --> 00:52:49,307
Speaker 12: You know, if I'd said to you ten years ago

1012
00:52:50,387 --> 00:52:52,907
Speaker 12: that a boyfriend a matter we'd be playing for Scotland,

1013
00:52:52,987 --> 00:52:55,147
Speaker 12: you would have thought I was crazy. I told you

1014
00:52:55,147 --> 00:52:58,307
Speaker 12: ten years ago that Israel Plao could play for Australia

1015
00:52:58,347 --> 00:53:01,507
Speaker 12: and for Tonga, you would have said I'm crazy, you know.

1016
00:53:01,787 --> 00:53:04,187
Speaker 12: And that's what happened. Is slowly but surely, we just

1017
00:53:04,267 --> 00:53:06,907
Speaker 12: are eroding the thing that was so unique about our game,

1018
00:53:06,947 --> 00:53:09,747
Speaker 12: and that was to play for your country, sing the

1019
00:53:09,867 --> 00:53:12,507
Speaker 12: national anthem. And I, Helen, I came up with an

1020
00:53:12,547 --> 00:53:14,747
Speaker 12: idea and I know it's completely left field, but so

1021
00:53:14,987 --> 00:53:16,947
Speaker 12: is where we are now in terms of what old

1022
00:53:16,987 --> 00:53:20,307
Speaker 12: school people thought, but what's to stop us from in

1023
00:53:20,427 --> 00:53:23,467
Speaker 12: tenueous palms saying that everybody who plays in the Premiership

1024
00:53:23,507 --> 00:53:25,667
Speaker 12: in England can play for England, and everyone who plays

1025
00:53:25,667 --> 00:53:28,627
Speaker 12: in the Japanese League can play for Japan and everyone

1026
00:53:28,667 --> 00:53:31,707
Speaker 12: that plays in the French League can play for France.

1027
00:53:31,787 --> 00:53:34,507
Speaker 12: If you te WEE, Fiji and Georgian and you play

1028
00:53:34,547 --> 00:53:37,387
Speaker 12: in that league, you can play for that country. I mean,

1029
00:53:37,907 --> 00:53:39,827
Speaker 12: if I said that now, people would go, you lost

1030
00:53:39,827 --> 00:53:42,627
Speaker 12: your marble stack. You've got no idea where we're going.

1031
00:53:42,707 --> 00:53:44,427
Speaker 12: But I mean, what's changed?

1032
00:53:44,467 --> 00:53:45,427
Speaker 10: We we we.

1033
00:53:45,707 --> 00:53:48,507
Speaker 12: You know, I was. I was at Montpellier when when

1034
00:53:48,907 --> 00:53:51,427
Speaker 12: Duane Famava asked me, please, I need to get out

1035
00:53:51,467 --> 00:53:54,787
Speaker 12: of my contract. I need to get to Edinburgh. They've

1036
00:53:54,827 --> 00:53:57,107
Speaker 12: ear marked me as a guy can play for Scotland.

1037
00:53:57,507 --> 00:53:59,227
Speaker 12: I need to be there by the end of the year.

1038
00:53:59,267 --> 00:54:02,187
Speaker 12: Otherwise I've used a three year window. If I go

1039
00:54:02,307 --> 00:54:04,627
Speaker 12: in January, I've got to wait five years. So I was,

1040
00:54:04,747 --> 00:54:08,547
Speaker 12: I was part of that whole transfer when he was

1041
00:54:08,627 --> 00:54:11,987
Speaker 12: earmarked by the Scottish Rugby Union to come across. Now,

1042
00:54:12,947 --> 00:54:15,107
Speaker 12: I mean, that's why I wrote in that article about

1043
00:54:15,307 --> 00:54:18,587
Speaker 12: you know, the foreign players as well. I mean, I've never.

1044
00:54:18,667 --> 00:54:20,747
Speaker 12: I've never, probably because I've lived in a country we

1045
00:54:20,867 --> 00:54:23,587
Speaker 12: have so many players, a bit like New Zealand. Maybe

1046
00:54:23,627 --> 00:54:25,347
Speaker 12: I would think differently if I was in a small

1047
00:54:25,467 --> 00:54:28,067
Speaker 12: nation where I could go in ahead and the best

1048
00:54:28,187 --> 00:54:31,387
Speaker 12: forty fifty juniors every year, put them in academy and

1049
00:54:31,427 --> 00:54:34,027
Speaker 12: then bring them through for my country. But is that

1050
00:54:34,587 --> 00:54:36,067
Speaker 12: the way it's going to go? Is that where the

1051
00:54:36,507 --> 00:54:39,907
Speaker 12: mini unions are going to go and start academies where

1052
00:54:39,907 --> 00:54:42,507
Speaker 12: they where they go and you know, you know, get

1053
00:54:42,547 --> 00:54:45,547
Speaker 12: and recruit the best juniors and then basically everything in

1054
00:54:45,587 --> 00:54:49,467
Speaker 12: your country is meaningless because I mean with what you

1055
00:54:49,507 --> 00:54:52,027
Speaker 12: could have, you could use me example, like like Wales

1056
00:54:52,067 --> 00:54:54,867
Speaker 12: if they went and got the fifteen best Tiwi players

1057
00:54:54,867 --> 00:54:57,227
Speaker 12: at school level and the twenty best South African players

1058
00:54:57,267 --> 00:54:59,227
Speaker 12: and thirty five players every year when to go and

1059
00:54:59,267 --> 00:55:02,267
Speaker 12: live in Wales and in five years time those players

1060
00:55:02,267 --> 00:55:07,187
Speaker 12: are then all ellegible for Wales. I'm not sure. I'm

1061
00:55:07,227 --> 00:55:09,707
Speaker 12: not sure that's what I'm not sure that's what Welsh

1062
00:55:09,747 --> 00:55:12,467
Speaker 12: rugby in the in the valleys and where they come

1063
00:55:12,507 --> 00:55:15,507
Speaker 12: from would really want as well. So that's why I

1064
00:55:15,507 --> 00:55:17,467
Speaker 12: said it's a debate, it's not it's not a view

1065
00:55:17,507 --> 00:55:20,667
Speaker 12: that I think everyone's got an opinion. I just think

1066
00:55:20,667 --> 00:55:23,427
Speaker 12: that New Zealand need to hang on to the thing

1067
00:55:23,467 --> 00:55:26,707
Speaker 12: they've held so dearly for so long. Otherwise I think

1068
00:55:26,747 --> 00:55:29,787
Speaker 12: that I think that whatever they've done in the past

1069
00:55:29,787 --> 00:55:30,987
Speaker 12: then becomes meaningless.

1070
00:55:31,387 --> 00:55:33,587
Speaker 2: Jack White with us on Newstalk zib Be Jack, before

1071
00:55:33,587 --> 00:55:35,347
Speaker 2: I let you go, it's an interesting point and your

1072
00:55:35,387 --> 00:55:37,227
Speaker 2: ten years time, maybe down the track it will be

1073
00:55:37,707 --> 00:55:40,747
Speaker 2: that case. Before you go, I want to get your thoughts.

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00:55:41,307 --> 00:55:43,027
Speaker 2: You started at the start of a World Cup cycle

1075
00:55:43,027 --> 00:55:45,907
Speaker 2: in two thousand and four. Scott Robertson's done the same.

1076
00:55:45,947 --> 00:55:47,907
Speaker 2: What what's your view on his first season and charges

1077
00:55:47,987 --> 00:55:48,947
Speaker 2: as All Black Sea coach.

1078
00:55:51,587 --> 00:55:54,227
Speaker 12: Well, I think he had met himself that coaching test

1079
00:55:54,307 --> 00:55:56,867
Speaker 12: rugby is very different to coaching a provincial side like

1080
00:55:56,907 --> 00:56:01,547
Speaker 12: the Crsaders. I'm sure he's learned a lot and Zilla

1081
00:56:01,627 --> 00:56:03,507
Speaker 12: rugby will be back. I think the one thing again

1082
00:56:03,547 --> 00:56:05,907
Speaker 12: that and this is why I can't. I can't appraud

1083
00:56:05,947 --> 00:56:07,907
Speaker 12: you enough for praise you enough. I mean, I've been

1084
00:56:07,987 --> 00:56:11,067
Speaker 12: privy to sitting in a chain room with Jock Hobbs

1085
00:56:11,107 --> 00:56:15,507
Speaker 12: and Alex Whyley and you know Brian Lahall, so Brian

1086
00:56:15,627 --> 00:56:18,667
Speaker 12: Lahall and and you know the legends of the game

1087
00:56:18,747 --> 00:56:20,907
Speaker 12: sitting next to us in the Chraine room having a

1088
00:56:20,947 --> 00:56:22,947
Speaker 12: debate about the Test match. And I think the one

1089
00:56:22,987 --> 00:56:25,627
Speaker 12: thing I think New Zealand they have got the edge

1090
00:56:25,667 --> 00:56:27,787
Speaker 12: on every other country is they want to get it right.

1091
00:56:28,507 --> 00:56:31,027
Speaker 12: They want to uphold all the things that are important

1092
00:56:31,107 --> 00:56:33,347
Speaker 12: and they want to share whatever they have to share

1093
00:56:33,507 --> 00:56:35,507
Speaker 12: to make sure that their country stays on top of

1094
00:56:35,547 --> 00:56:38,387
Speaker 12: the world. So you know, I have no doubt whatever

1095
00:56:38,427 --> 00:56:41,507
Speaker 12: they whatever mistakes they've made, whatever lessons they need to learn,

1096
00:56:41,587 --> 00:56:44,267
Speaker 12: I'm sure they will learn them. I'm sure that everyone

1097
00:56:44,347 --> 00:56:47,507
Speaker 12: involved in New Zealand rugby will will contribute to them

1098
00:56:47,547 --> 00:56:49,227
Speaker 12: getting better. And I have no doubt that in the

1099
00:56:49,227 --> 00:56:51,347
Speaker 12: next couple of years New Zealand rugby will get strong

1100
00:56:51,387 --> 00:56:53,907
Speaker 12: and strong. And it it won't be because when two

1101
00:56:54,027 --> 00:56:57,587
Speaker 12: or three players back from overseas or play them while

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00:56:57,587 --> 00:57:00,547
Speaker 12: they overseas. For the All Blacks, I still think that

1103
00:57:00,627 --> 00:57:04,667
Speaker 12: their rugby culture, the whole, the whole area, everything they

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00:57:04,707 --> 00:57:06,907
Speaker 12: stand for in New Zealand rugby is much stronger than

1105
00:57:06,947 --> 00:57:09,907
Speaker 12: any individual And let's be fair, has been that has

1106
00:57:09,947 --> 00:57:11,947
Speaker 12: been the narrative that's come out of New Zealand from

1107
00:57:12,027 --> 00:57:15,427
Speaker 12: day one is that no player is ever ever, ever

1108
00:57:15,747 --> 00:57:18,347
Speaker 12: you know, stronger or ever more important than the jersey

1109
00:57:18,347 --> 00:57:21,147
Speaker 12: and you know long made that last Jake.

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Speaker 2: White, It's been a pleasure catching up with you. Thank

1111
00:57:23,507 --> 00:57:25,387
Speaker 2: you very much for your thoughts and wish you the

1112
00:57:25,387 --> 00:57:28,027
Speaker 2: best of luck tomorrow morning against Connaitt, New Zealand time.

1113
00:57:30,107 --> 00:57:32,587
Speaker 12: Thank you, thanks so much. Let all the best that.

1114
00:57:32,667 --> 00:57:35,987
Speaker 2: Is Jake White joining us on News Talk ZB this afternoon.

1115
00:57:36,027 --> 00:57:39,547
Speaker 2: You caught up with them in Galway, of all places,

1116
00:57:39,787 --> 00:57:44,067
Speaker 2: the Blue Balls playing Connacht in the URC tomorrow morning.

1117
00:57:44,387 --> 00:57:46,347
Speaker 2: Lucky enough to get some of Jake White's time. Great

1118
00:57:46,387 --> 00:57:49,907
Speaker 2: to get an outsider's perspective on that eligibility. When I

1119
00:57:49,947 --> 00:57:52,547
Speaker 2: saw that piece, because there's been a lot of Coleminsch's

1120
00:57:52,547 --> 00:57:55,827
Speaker 2: written this year from in New Zealand and externally saying

1121
00:57:56,107 --> 00:57:58,507
Speaker 2: the All Blacks need to change this election policy and

1122
00:57:58,627 --> 00:58:02,187
Speaker 2: need to pick players from Japan or wherever else players

1123
00:58:02,507 --> 00:58:04,467
Speaker 2: might be playing, it was interesting to get a World

1124
00:58:04,547 --> 00:58:08,027
Speaker 2: Cup winning coaches perspective from someone outside the country. Here's

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00:58:08,347 --> 00:58:12,027
Speaker 2: as you heard, there very much against the prospect of

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00:58:12,067 --> 00:58:16,307
Speaker 2: selecting players from abroad for the All Blacks. A specific

1127
00:58:16,347 --> 00:58:21,267
Speaker 2: set of circumstances has led to South Africa doing it

1128
00:58:21,667 --> 00:58:25,907
Speaker 2: around their economy. But he says, you know he listed

1129
00:58:25,907 --> 00:58:28,867
Speaker 2: at the top, didn't he? France, Ireland, England All Blacks

1130
00:58:28,867 --> 00:58:33,947
Speaker 2: don't select players from abroad. Has your mind been changed

1131
00:58:34,587 --> 00:58:39,827
Speaker 2: by that chat or this year around that selection policy?

1132
00:58:40,227 --> 00:58:43,267
Speaker 2: Where do you sit now having a Test season without

1133
00:58:43,307 --> 00:58:47,387
Speaker 2: say a Shannon Frazelle, the Richie Mulonger, Sam Can going overseas?

1134
00:58:47,827 --> 00:58:52,147
Speaker 2: After this point, should the All Blacks be looking to

1135
00:58:52,267 --> 00:58:54,307
Speaker 2: change those rules? Should New Zealand ruged be looking to

1136
00:58:54,387 --> 00:58:59,667
Speaker 2: change those eligibility rules? Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty

1137
00:58:59,707 --> 00:59:01,707
Speaker 2: nine two ninety two for a text message? Have you

1138
00:59:02,027 --> 00:59:06,307
Speaker 2: changed your mind on the eligibility scenarigo for New Zealand Rugby?

1139
00:59:06,347 --> 00:59:10,827
Speaker 2: Here's a time we silk your players from abroad? Or

1140
00:59:10,907 --> 00:59:13,907
Speaker 2: is it a case still when you leave New Zealand

1141
00:59:13,947 --> 00:59:17,627
Speaker 2: Rugby when you go overseas? That is it for your

1142
00:59:17,627 --> 00:59:20,227
Speaker 2: at test career until you come back or if you

1143
00:59:20,307 --> 00:59:23,467
Speaker 2: come back? Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty nineteen ninet

1144
00:59:23,467 --> 00:59:26,027
Speaker 2: two for a text message. Your calls and texts after

1145
00:59:26,107 --> 00:59:28,707
Speaker 2: this here on News Talk ZB love to get your

1146
00:59:28,747 --> 00:59:31,147
Speaker 2: point of view on this. Twenty four after one.

1147
00:59:32,347 --> 00:59:35,267
Speaker 1: You be the TMO have your say on eight hundred

1148
00:59:35,267 --> 00:59:39,347
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty weekends for it with Gjcubnos New

1149
00:59:39,427 --> 00:59:41,787
Speaker 1: Zealand's most trusted home builder News Talk.

1150
00:59:41,747 --> 00:59:45,347
Speaker 2: VB twenty seven after one on News Talk ZB talking

1151
00:59:45,387 --> 00:59:48,947
Speaker 2: the All Blacks eligibility Sagad to Jack White on the show,

1152
00:59:48,987 --> 00:59:52,267
Speaker 2: the two thousand and seven Springbok World Cup winning coach, saying,

1153
00:59:52,347 --> 00:59:55,987
Speaker 2: do not change it, do not tink it with those

1154
00:59:56,067 --> 00:59:59,747
Speaker 2: rules as again, poise to go under review. Let's go

1155
00:59:59,827 --> 01:00:02,027
Speaker 2: to the lines. On eight hundred eighty ten eighty say

1156
01:00:02,027 --> 01:00:04,107
Speaker 2: good afternoon to Grant. How are you.

1157
01:00:05,547 --> 01:00:10,387
Speaker 11: Elliott? Yeah, Drake was? He put my case very well.

1158
01:00:12,387 --> 01:00:16,627
Speaker 11: I mean, you know it works. Getting overseas players work

1159
01:00:16,707 --> 01:00:20,387
Speaker 11: for South Africa and Australia for all sorts of different reasons.

1160
01:00:21,027 --> 01:00:24,067
Speaker 11: But it's not like we're on our own with not

1161
01:00:24,147 --> 01:00:28,667
Speaker 11: selecting players from overseas as a lot of other top countries,

1162
01:00:28,747 --> 01:00:33,107
Speaker 11: and you know, we have sabbaticals and various other things

1163
01:00:33,827 --> 01:00:37,947
Speaker 11: to give players a chance to earn money overseas. And

1164
01:00:37,987 --> 01:00:41,747
Speaker 11: just with the Rich Molonga situation, if he sees out

1165
01:00:41,747 --> 01:00:44,227
Speaker 11: his contract in Japan, he will be back at the

1166
01:00:44,267 --> 01:00:47,427
Speaker 11: start of the twenty twenty seven World Cup year playing

1167
01:00:48,587 --> 01:00:51,387
Speaker 11: rugby in New Zealand. So you know, we've got a

1168
01:00:51,387 --> 01:00:54,787
Speaker 11: couple of pretty good first flies at the moment. And

1169
01:00:55,467 --> 01:00:59,187
Speaker 11: the thing that I see is what would be the criteria.

1170
01:00:59,227 --> 01:01:02,707
Speaker 11: Would it be the coach deciding? Would it be a

1171
01:01:02,787 --> 01:01:05,747
Speaker 11: number of tests? And I don't think that would be

1172
01:01:05,747 --> 01:01:07,427
Speaker 11: a good idea because he could have to play.

1173
01:01:07,267 --> 01:01:08,227
Speaker 8: With less tests.

1174
01:01:08,387 --> 01:01:11,187
Speaker 11: Who who would be a better bet than play with

1175
01:01:11,467 --> 01:01:15,747
Speaker 11: more tests? And so I say, you know, just to

1176
01:01:15,827 --> 01:01:16,747
Speaker 11: keep it the way it is.

1177
01:01:17,467 --> 01:01:19,627
Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, I think you look at that season and go,

1178
01:01:19,907 --> 01:01:22,387
Speaker 2: would Richie the All Blacks one ten games? Would Richie

1179
01:01:22,427 --> 01:01:25,347
Speaker 2: mulonger have made them win fourteen? Probably not. There was

1180
01:01:25,387 --> 01:01:28,667
Speaker 2: certainly some issues there in that team that I don't

1181
01:01:28,667 --> 01:01:31,187
Speaker 2: think at first five or Richie m Wonger would have

1182
01:01:31,187 --> 01:01:33,307
Speaker 2: been able to solve. Would Shen and Frizzelle have made

1183
01:01:33,347 --> 01:01:35,667
Speaker 2: it fourteen wins? I don't think.

1184
01:01:35,707 --> 01:01:35,787
Speaker 10: So.

1185
01:01:36,027 --> 01:01:38,907
Speaker 2: I think it's not a magic bord or a silver

1186
01:01:38,947 --> 01:01:42,267
Speaker 2: board is it to solve these issues just because you're

1187
01:01:42,267 --> 01:01:43,987
Speaker 2: going to select these players from overseas?

1188
01:01:45,227 --> 01:01:49,267
Speaker 11: Yeah, and I hope that well, for a start, I

1189
01:01:49,307 --> 01:01:52,747
Speaker 11: hope that the new board turned Scott Ritson down, but

1190
01:01:52,987 --> 01:01:55,107
Speaker 11: he tried it at the start of the season. He's

1191
01:01:55,107 --> 01:01:56,787
Speaker 11: tried at the end of season. I hope he's not

1192
01:01:56,827 --> 01:01:59,347
Speaker 11: going to do it every year. I mean, if he

1193
01:01:59,387 --> 01:02:02,387
Speaker 11: gets turned down, you know, try try again, try again.

1194
01:02:02,507 --> 01:02:02,707
Speaker 12: You know.

1195
01:02:03,067 --> 01:02:05,227
Speaker 2: Well yeah, look, I think he's easy. Within't his rights,

1196
01:02:05,267 --> 01:02:08,107
Speaker 2: isn't he to put his case sport and New Zealand

1197
01:02:08,187 --> 01:02:10,747
Speaker 2: Rugby and they're changing the board around it, well within

1198
01:02:10,787 --> 01:02:13,867
Speaker 2: their rights to go nope, try again it heare's time

1199
01:02:13,947 --> 01:02:18,067
Speaker 2: and we'll come back with more evidence. But on the

1200
01:02:18,067 --> 01:02:20,147
Speaker 2: basis of what we're seeing to this point and what

1201
01:02:20,267 --> 01:02:24,627
Speaker 2: Mark Robinson has said, I don't think they'll be changing it.

1202
01:02:26,067 --> 01:02:31,907
Speaker 11: Yeah, And like I said, it seems to work well

1203
01:02:31,947 --> 01:02:36,187
Speaker 11: for us, and I think that. I mean, when players

1204
01:02:36,267 --> 01:02:40,307
Speaker 11: come back from overseas, it's very hard to judge form

1205
01:02:40,747 --> 01:02:44,107
Speaker 11: in an overseas competition. I mean in the middle of

1206
01:02:44,187 --> 01:02:48,187
Speaker 11: the season that we send assistant coaches over to actually

1207
01:02:48,507 --> 01:02:53,307
Speaker 11: view them live. Lots of times over the years we've

1208
01:02:53,307 --> 01:02:55,387
Speaker 11: had players that have come back and they have taken

1209
01:02:55,427 --> 01:02:58,547
Speaker 11: a while to get back into the New Zealand groove

1210
01:02:58,587 --> 01:03:02,147
Speaker 11: of rugby. But if they're talking about the way they're

1211
01:03:02,187 --> 01:03:04,907
Speaker 11: proposing it, you bring a player back in the middle

1212
01:03:04,987 --> 01:03:07,307
Speaker 11: of an overseas season for a sort of you know,

1213
01:03:07,787 --> 01:03:10,467
Speaker 11: a week to ten days before test and expect them

1214
01:03:10,507 --> 01:03:13,827
Speaker 11: to play you know, the type of rugby that we're

1215
01:03:13,867 --> 01:03:16,427
Speaker 11: playing here and have everything in the line.

1216
01:03:16,507 --> 01:03:19,467
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, that's right, isn't it. And you know,

1217
01:03:19,547 --> 01:03:21,827
Speaker 2: South Africa has got the problem at the moment, Grant

1218
01:03:21,867 --> 01:03:24,747
Speaker 2: where a lot of their players just simply do not

1219
01:03:24,827 --> 01:03:27,827
Speaker 2: get a break. They play essentially twelve months of the

1220
01:03:27,907 --> 01:03:30,627
Speaker 2: year because of the competitions that they are playing in

1221
01:03:31,387 --> 01:03:34,627
Speaker 2: and then the Springboks calendar worked in alongside it, they

1222
01:03:34,627 --> 01:03:39,547
Speaker 2: are playing essentially year round and they haven't figured out

1223
01:03:39,547 --> 01:03:44,267
Speaker 2: an answer to that to this point. Japanese season starts

1224
01:03:44,387 --> 01:03:48,707
Speaker 2: end of December, roughly goes through to May. Then they're

1225
01:03:48,707 --> 01:03:52,467
Speaker 2: into all internationals after that, which wind up in November

1226
01:03:52,707 --> 01:03:56,067
Speaker 2: back into their pre season in Japan or wherever it

1227
01:03:56,147 --> 01:03:58,667
Speaker 2: might be. Piece if the toy for example, playing for

1228
01:03:59,867 --> 01:04:03,827
Speaker 2: the Toyota club over there, it's a year round proposition

1229
01:04:03,987 --> 01:04:06,467
Speaker 2: for these players, which you know in New Zealand the

1230
01:04:06,507 --> 01:04:08,587
Speaker 2: moment you do get a break at the end of

1231
01:04:08,627 --> 01:04:12,627
Speaker 2: the season. Oh en eighteen. Let's move on to Simon Afternoon.

1232
01:04:13,667 --> 01:04:15,187
Speaker 11: Afternoon Love.

1233
01:04:16,467 --> 01:04:19,187
Speaker 8: The great thing I think about not a gllowing overseas

1234
01:04:19,187 --> 01:04:22,787
Speaker 8: players to come in. Is if you look at periods

1235
01:04:22,787 --> 01:04:25,907
Speaker 8: when we've been really successful, like the under the Hansen

1236
01:04:25,987 --> 01:04:29,987
Speaker 8: and the Smith and Henry. If you looked in those days,

1237
01:04:30,067 --> 01:04:31,787
Speaker 8: it meant we had lots of we had a really

1238
01:04:31,827 --> 01:04:34,867
Speaker 8: good pathway for younger players to come through and that

1239
01:04:34,947 --> 01:04:38,267
Speaker 8: we're really really successful. And Richie Mulwonga is one of

1240
01:04:38,307 --> 01:04:41,867
Speaker 8: those players that come through that younger generation because it

1241
01:04:41,947 --> 01:04:45,947
Speaker 8: hasn't been gummed up with older players waiting around. Yes

1242
01:04:45,987 --> 01:04:50,027
Speaker 8: we use the term experience, but actually how much hunger

1243
01:04:50,067 --> 01:04:52,187
Speaker 8: have they got? I think you need to get a

1244
01:04:52,227 --> 01:04:57,027
Speaker 8: balance between you've and some experience. But that's up to

1245
01:04:57,747 --> 01:04:58,587
Speaker 8: the coaches to.

1246
01:04:58,587 --> 01:05:01,627
Speaker 2: Manage what it is, isn't that So that's on them

1247
01:05:01,667 --> 01:05:04,027
Speaker 2: to figure out when the right climb, right time is

1248
01:05:04,347 --> 01:05:06,387
Speaker 2: for the young players to come in when the the

1249
01:05:06,427 --> 01:05:09,707
Speaker 2: older players have been phased out and juggle it that way.

1250
01:05:09,947 --> 01:05:13,147
Speaker 2: I don't know that being able to pet players of

1251
01:05:13,227 --> 01:05:15,307
Speaker 2: war that sort of begins to block those paths, so

1252
01:05:15,627 --> 01:05:17,147
Speaker 2: doesn't it?

1253
01:05:17,147 --> 01:05:19,027
Speaker 8: It does, And I think that's where the the you know,

1254
01:05:19,187 --> 01:05:21,667
Speaker 8: you look at our current hole, the cult current structure

1255
01:05:21,707 --> 01:05:25,347
Speaker 8: works really well because we've got this flow through from

1256
01:05:25,387 --> 01:05:28,147
Speaker 8: right from the lower levels all the way through right

1257
01:05:28,227 --> 01:05:31,587
Speaker 8: up into international rugby. And I found it interesting this

1258
01:05:31,667 --> 01:05:34,147
Speaker 8: year if you look at the players that are really

1259
01:05:34,187 --> 01:05:37,907
Speaker 8: stood out, it has been those younger players that have

1260
01:05:38,027 --> 01:05:42,187
Speaker 8: come through and have stepped up and have met the challenge.

1261
01:05:42,547 --> 01:05:45,107
Speaker 2: Well, just look at the World the All Blacks Player

1262
01:05:45,107 --> 01:05:48,267
Speaker 2: of the Year nominees Wallace a Titi to Bovide to

1263
01:05:48,387 --> 01:05:52,587
Speaker 2: Roll Lomax, those three announced yesterday. They're all younger players

1264
01:05:52,667 --> 01:05:55,227
Speaker 2: or players that have been given opportunities after senior ones

1265
01:05:55,267 --> 01:05:55,867
Speaker 2: had departed.

1266
01:05:57,147 --> 01:05:59,467
Speaker 8: Yeah, and I think also and that's important that the

1267
01:05:59,547 --> 01:06:03,787
Speaker 8: senior players have departed, so they we've given them that opportunity.

1268
01:06:04,187 --> 01:06:07,187
Speaker 8: I think the other thing, going to the point of Rickana,

1269
01:06:07,307 --> 01:06:09,427
Speaker 8: I think one of the things that we have missed

1270
01:06:09,427 --> 01:06:12,987
Speaker 8: this year with him has been his ability as a

1271
01:06:12,987 --> 01:06:17,667
Speaker 8: playmaker and also when the team is under pressure, his

1272
01:06:17,787 --> 01:06:21,387
Speaker 8: ability to change a game and to be able to

1273
01:06:21,907 --> 01:06:25,867
Speaker 8: win games and also to finish to close games out.

1274
01:06:27,107 --> 01:06:28,427
Speaker 2: That's right, I mean, that was what he was so

1275
01:06:28,507 --> 01:06:30,987
Speaker 2: good at the Crusaders, wasn't it. And I began to

1276
01:06:30,987 --> 01:06:33,667
Speaker 2: think that maybe at Teas Leveley was finding that more

1277
01:06:33,827 --> 01:06:35,787
Speaker 2: more so in the last couple of years before he left.

1278
01:06:37,147 --> 01:06:39,507
Speaker 8: Yeah, and I think he was very good, and to

1279
01:06:39,547 --> 01:06:42,387
Speaker 8: be brutally honest, I think the two that are there,

1280
01:06:42,547 --> 01:06:44,867
Speaker 8: the current incumbent, the current two that have been here

1281
01:06:44,867 --> 01:06:47,987
Speaker 8: this year, we shouldn't be looking at those next year.

1282
01:06:48,027 --> 01:06:49,587
Speaker 10: We need to be looking at.

1283
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Speaker 8: The next level down because those two are going to

1284
01:06:52,147 --> 01:06:54,147
Speaker 8: be are they still going to be good enough when

1285
01:06:54,147 --> 01:06:55,707
Speaker 8: we get to the World Cup. We need to be

1286
01:06:55,747 --> 01:07:00,947
Speaker 8: bringing that next generation of tens through that have the

1287
01:07:00,987 --> 01:07:03,467
Speaker 8: ability to run a game, to be able to close

1288
01:07:03,467 --> 01:07:05,027
Speaker 8: out the game, and to be able to make those

1289
01:07:05,107 --> 01:07:06,347
Speaker 8: right decisions at the right time.

1290
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Speaker 2: I appreciate the call, Simon, thank you very much for

1291
01:07:08,667 --> 01:07:11,627
Speaker 2: your point of view this afternoon. Let's move on to Graham. Afternoon, Graham,

1292
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Speaker 2: how are you good day?

1293
01:07:13,347 --> 01:07:14,107
Speaker 15: How are you good?

1294
01:07:14,107 --> 01:07:14,467
Speaker 2: Thank you?

1295
01:07:14,827 --> 01:07:17,227
Speaker 15: Good Tilling? Yeah, yeah, no, good call by. It's a

1296
01:07:17,227 --> 01:07:18,867
Speaker 15: bit of a mixed one for me. I mean, you know,

1297
01:07:18,987 --> 01:07:22,027
Speaker 15: here there was Jake White, wasn't it the end? He

1298
01:07:22,867 --> 01:07:28,147
Speaker 15: outstanding reverence for news Ellen Rugby, and he mentioned Jockobs

1299
01:07:28,187 --> 01:07:32,027
Speaker 15: and Alex Wiley to the Kennevery heroes. He'll get the

1300
01:07:32,027 --> 01:07:35,307
Speaker 15: big plus for that, and of course Brian Law. But yeah,

1301
01:07:35,387 --> 01:07:38,747
Speaker 15: I mean I've got mixed feelings on it. I think

1302
01:07:38,787 --> 01:07:42,547
Speaker 15: the All Blacks the trouble was at first five, which

1303
01:07:42,747 --> 01:07:45,627
Speaker 15: which is the main focus. I think I've always been

1304
01:07:45,667 --> 01:07:49,307
Speaker 15: actually anti bringing in players, you know, and changing the roles,

1305
01:07:49,347 --> 01:07:54,107
Speaker 15: to be honest. But obviously Richie Munger left slightly earlier

1306
01:07:54,147 --> 01:07:58,267
Speaker 15: than others we retired, like Retellic and white Lock All,

1307
01:07:58,347 --> 01:08:02,107
Speaker 15: I've gone over seas and played. I think he'll be back.

1308
01:08:02,307 --> 01:08:05,267
Speaker 15: But I can see why the temptation is there because

1309
01:08:05,307 --> 01:08:08,347
Speaker 15: I think we're short are at First five than what

1310
01:08:08,467 --> 01:08:13,027
Speaker 15: we've ever been, probably since I don't know, when you

1311
01:08:13,107 --> 01:08:15,867
Speaker 15: have to go to the nineteen seventies maybe, and then

1312
01:08:15,947 --> 01:08:19,787
Speaker 15: you'd probably before posts, you know, pre Wayne Smith and

1313
01:08:19,827 --> 01:08:24,667
Speaker 15: Grant Fox with Doug Bruce when he retreated a great player.

1314
01:08:24,667 --> 01:08:27,667
Speaker 15: But yeah, but but yeah, I think the trouble is working.

1315
01:08:28,147 --> 01:08:31,547
Speaker 15: You get him back, and then it does open the door.

1316
01:08:32,187 --> 01:08:34,627
Speaker 15: You know, you can't make it. I can't make, you know,

1317
01:08:34,667 --> 01:08:37,467
Speaker 15: an exception for one player, as much as I would

1318
01:08:37,507 --> 01:08:39,467
Speaker 15: love him back, but I think Grant's right that he

1319
01:08:39,547 --> 01:08:42,307
Speaker 15: probably will. I think there's a good chance he back

1320
01:08:42,707 --> 01:08:47,147
Speaker 15: and he'll do the eligibility's one year anyway. But I

1321
01:08:47,147 --> 01:08:49,947
Speaker 15: can but I can see why Scott Robertson wants them

1322
01:08:50,307 --> 01:08:53,267
Speaker 15: because I think we've been caught short there big time.

1323
01:08:53,347 --> 01:08:57,427
Speaker 15: The back line, not just because of him, has actually suffered.

1324
01:08:58,107 --> 01:09:00,227
Speaker 15: The forward pack really have made that I think, really

1325
01:09:00,227 --> 01:09:01,947
Speaker 15: good like what was the pte as you say, and

1326
01:09:02,027 --> 01:09:05,067
Speaker 15: other players have really made a big step up there

1327
01:09:05,107 --> 01:09:08,627
Speaker 15: and to provide who's really surprised me how good he was.

1328
01:09:09,227 --> 01:09:11,667
Speaker 15: He's a good player, but he's better than when I thought.

1329
01:09:12,227 --> 01:09:15,267
Speaker 15: And yeah, yeah, I think it'll probably. I don't think

1330
01:09:15,307 --> 01:09:16,667
Speaker 15: it's going to change in a hurry.

1331
01:09:16,907 --> 01:09:19,067
Speaker 2: No, I don't. Yeah, I don't think it will either.

1332
01:09:19,267 --> 01:09:20,907
Speaker 2: And look at as you said, it's a circumstance. What

1333
01:09:20,987 --> 01:09:24,227
Speaker 2: about because there's a perceived lack of depth. If there

1334
01:09:24,227 --> 01:09:26,387
Speaker 2: were players coming through and a lot you know, on

1335
01:09:26,427 --> 01:09:28,627
Speaker 2: the pipeline you go in the year's time, he's going

1336
01:09:28,667 --> 01:09:30,907
Speaker 2: to be at All Blacks ten or whatever it might be,

1337
01:09:30,987 --> 01:09:33,427
Speaker 2: then this debate is moot. And richid Wonga, thanks for

1338
01:09:33,467 --> 01:09:36,387
Speaker 2: your service to New Zealand rugby. You know that's that's fine.

1339
01:09:37,067 --> 01:09:39,587
Speaker 2: But it's because of that lack of depth in the

1340
01:09:39,587 --> 01:09:42,587
Speaker 2: path of twenty twenty seven that this debate comes up,

1341
01:09:42,627 --> 01:09:42,987
Speaker 2: isn't it.

1342
01:09:44,107 --> 01:09:47,627
Speaker 15: That's right? I mean I don't know for sure, but yeah,

1343
01:09:47,667 --> 01:09:52,107
Speaker 15: I've heard so many things about around it. It's not

1344
01:09:52,147 --> 01:09:54,507
Speaker 15: even funny, But I think he will. I think he's

1345
01:09:54,507 --> 01:09:57,907
Speaker 15: a good chance of your back and then we'll see what.

1346
01:09:58,307 --> 01:10:00,427
Speaker 15: I'm sure every's good shape. I've always been a big

1347
01:10:00,467 --> 01:10:03,827
Speaker 15: fan and like most Crusader fans. But yeah, I mean,

1348
01:10:04,267 --> 01:10:06,867
Speaker 15: and someone may well come through. I mean, we've got

1349
01:10:06,907 --> 01:10:10,027
Speaker 15: good young first fives. I mean, Harry Plummer and Fergus

1350
01:10:10,027 --> 01:10:14,787
Speaker 15: Burt going overseas once again, they were good players and

1351
01:10:15,387 --> 01:10:16,827
Speaker 15: you know it may not have been as good as some,

1352
01:10:17,067 --> 01:10:20,547
Speaker 15: but they were actually better than what people realized. That

1353
01:10:20,667 --> 01:10:23,467
Speaker 15: I think was lost. You know those guys overseas too,

1354
01:10:23,467 --> 01:10:26,747
Speaker 15: and that's chipped away at the depths as well.

1355
01:10:26,547 --> 01:10:29,987
Speaker 2: Elliot, it has indeed, and look, you know Richie Moore

1356
01:10:30,067 --> 01:10:32,147
Speaker 2: comes back, that might open the door for Damian McKenzie

1357
01:10:32,227 --> 01:10:35,467
Speaker 2: to go. And then you're basically in a circular discussion

1358
01:10:35,627 --> 01:10:39,147
Speaker 2: around some of that eligibility debate. Nice to hear from you,

1359
01:10:39,467 --> 01:10:41,467
Speaker 2: grind this afternoon. A couple of texts before we go

1360
01:10:41,507 --> 01:10:44,027
Speaker 2: to the break. He's dead right, elligant, we'll lose all

1361
01:10:44,027 --> 01:10:48,667
Speaker 2: our stars and ruins super Rugby sees muzz. Another one says,

1362
01:10:48,707 --> 01:10:51,507
Speaker 2: totally agree with Jake. Sacrifice an opportunity cost plus. I

1363
01:10:51,507 --> 01:10:54,467
Speaker 2: don't think we'd gained much, but we would decimate Super

1364
01:10:54,507 --> 01:10:58,707
Speaker 2: Rugby and NBC State with the status quo. A case

1365
01:10:58,747 --> 01:11:01,307
Speaker 2: of Grels is a case of you always what you

1366
01:11:01,307 --> 01:11:04,227
Speaker 2: can't have. Richie is not the answer. Find and coach

1367
01:11:04,347 --> 01:11:07,387
Speaker 2: new talent. That's what a coach needs and is supposed

1368
01:11:07,427 --> 01:11:10,187
Speaker 2: to do. One more before we take the break. If

1369
01:11:10,187 --> 01:11:13,107
Speaker 2: you want to play for the All Blacks, you stay here.

1370
01:11:13,267 --> 01:11:15,307
Speaker 2: Richie needs to stay in Japan. We don't need him.

1371
01:11:15,307 --> 01:11:17,747
Speaker 2: He's not that good. We have plenty here. Don't leave

1372
01:11:17,747 --> 01:11:19,387
Speaker 2: New Zealand for the money. You know it's not as much,

1373
01:11:19,387 --> 01:11:21,427
Speaker 2: but who cares. You're wearing the black jersey. Stay here

1374
01:11:21,667 --> 01:11:24,827
Speaker 2: and play for us. If you leave, don't come back.

1375
01:11:24,907 --> 01:11:27,067
Speaker 2: That is from Gus. We'll read a couple more after

1376
01:11:27,067 --> 01:11:30,427
Speaker 2: the break on nine to nine two, but our Aussie corresponded,

1377
01:11:30,467 --> 01:11:32,707
Speaker 2: Adam Peacock is standing by. We'll take a break, come

1378
01:11:32,747 --> 01:11:35,747
Speaker 2: back and checking what's happening over the ditch after this.

1379
01:11:35,867 --> 01:11:37,067
Speaker 2: Twenty one away.

1380
01:11:36,827 --> 01:11:41,027
Speaker 1: From two, it's more than just a game. Weekend sport

1381
01:11:41,187 --> 01:11:45,867
Speaker 1: With GJ. Gugnos, New Zealand's most trusted home builder, news Dogs, they'd.

1382
01:11:45,667 --> 01:11:48,707
Speaker 2: Be eighteen away from two some more texts. I'll get

1383
01:11:48,707 --> 01:11:52,267
Speaker 2: to in a moment around the eligibility saga. If my

1384
01:11:52,347 --> 01:11:54,147
Speaker 2: eyes don't deceive me, I think it might be an

1385
01:11:54,187 --> 01:11:59,707
Speaker 2: eighth drop catch Glenn Phillips dropping that one. It was

1386
01:11:59,827 --> 01:12:05,347
Speaker 2: high in the year and just bobbled out of his fingertips.

1387
01:12:07,867 --> 01:12:09,827
Speaker 2: In England four hundred and sixty one for eight. They've

1388
01:12:09,827 --> 01:12:12,547
Speaker 2: just resumed after the lunch break. They're lead by one

1389
01:12:12,627 --> 01:12:15,947
Speaker 2: hundred and thirteen. Looking to build that lead. Let's go

1390
01:12:16,027 --> 01:12:20,027
Speaker 2: across the Tasman, as he does every Saturday afternoon around

1391
01:12:20,067 --> 01:12:24,227
Speaker 2: this time. We joined by our Australian correspondent Adam Peacock. Adam,

1392
01:12:24,227 --> 01:12:26,227
Speaker 2: thanks very much for your time here on News Talks.

1393
01:12:26,267 --> 01:12:27,587
Speaker 2: It be this afternoon, Elliet.

1394
01:12:27,587 --> 01:12:28,267
Speaker 18: How are you mate?

1395
01:12:28,307 --> 01:12:31,627
Speaker 2: Oh good? The Australian cricket team an absolute term, well,

1396
01:12:31,667 --> 01:12:34,507
Speaker 2: at least it seems from this side of the Tasman

1397
01:12:34,587 --> 01:12:38,027
Speaker 2: after that loss to India would have been the ramifications

1398
01:12:38,067 --> 01:12:39,307
Speaker 2: the repercussions out of that.

1399
01:12:40,307 --> 01:12:42,267
Speaker 18: Yeah, not good as you can imagine.

1400
01:12:42,267 --> 01:12:44,267
Speaker 19: We don't take it too well of the over here

1401
01:12:44,387 --> 01:12:49,067
Speaker 19: with like that happened to Australian figure team. A bit

1402
01:12:49,107 --> 01:12:53,427
Speaker 19: of introspection, but I think on the whole most people

1403
01:12:53,507 --> 01:12:57,467
Speaker 19: are okay about giving the same eleven a go, but

1404
01:12:57,507 --> 01:12:58,987
Speaker 19: there's little confidence about that.

1405
01:12:58,987 --> 01:13:01,267
Speaker 18: You can probably tell him a voice about giving you

1406
01:13:01,307 --> 01:13:01,667
Speaker 18: the go.

1407
01:13:02,107 --> 01:13:05,427
Speaker 19: But yeah, Marlus Labashane is the one that looks completely

1408
01:13:05,427 --> 01:13:08,467
Speaker 19: out of Nick. So he's good enough to find something.

1409
01:13:08,507 --> 01:13:10,107
Speaker 19: Whether or not he's good enough to find something in

1410
01:13:10,107 --> 01:13:12,467
Speaker 19: a week, it remains to be seen because he looks

1411
01:13:12,667 --> 01:13:16,547
Speaker 19: unfortunately a shadow of his former self there. I think

1412
01:13:16,587 --> 01:13:20,387
Speaker 19: his first seventeen Test innings got into a thousand runs.

1413
01:13:20,467 --> 01:13:23,147
Speaker 19: He's taken thirty eight Test innings to get to his

1414
01:13:23,267 --> 01:13:26,307
Speaker 19: last thousand runs that he scored in Test cricket. So yeah,

1415
01:13:26,307 --> 01:13:28,027
Speaker 19: he's taking the foot off the gas. But exel Steve

1416
01:13:28,067 --> 01:13:31,907
Speaker 19: Smith scratching around as he's still got it. He too old.

1417
01:13:31,907 --> 01:13:33,587
Speaker 19: They're the questions being asked over here.

1418
01:13:33,667 --> 01:13:36,227
Speaker 2: I mean the quality players, they've got the ability to

1419
01:13:36,227 --> 01:13:38,587
Speaker 2: bounce back and be very Australian for them to do so,

1420
01:13:38,667 --> 01:13:40,987
Speaker 2: I'm appreciate and come out on Friday and the second

1421
01:13:40,987 --> 01:13:44,467
Speaker 2: Teaston do it. But are these players maybe verging on

1422
01:13:44,507 --> 01:13:46,707
Speaker 2: the fact that they've been around for too long, maybe

1423
01:13:46,827 --> 01:13:49,627
Speaker 2: little too old, and are the younger players ready to

1424
01:13:49,627 --> 01:13:50,507
Speaker 2: replace them?

1425
01:13:50,987 --> 01:13:56,587
Speaker 19: Potentially because unfortunately at the moment, we don't really have

1426
01:13:56,787 --> 01:13:58,787
Speaker 19: all these three are the next three.

1427
01:13:58,867 --> 01:14:00,947
Speaker 18: They're definitely in. As soon as these guys have done.

1428
01:14:01,027 --> 01:14:03,067
Speaker 19: It's like a big question mark of about six or

1429
01:14:03,067 --> 01:14:05,027
Speaker 19: seven a pool of six or seven players, are they

1430
01:14:05,027 --> 01:14:07,627
Speaker 19: good enough to step up if one of them goes

1431
01:14:07,747 --> 01:14:10,467
Speaker 19: so in a bit of a state of fox at

1432
01:14:10,467 --> 01:14:12,507
Speaker 19: the moment, the bowling unit will be okay. Look, they

1433
01:14:12,547 --> 01:14:14,587
Speaker 19: go to Adelaide next, they play a day night test,

1434
01:14:14,627 --> 01:14:17,827
Speaker 19: so the pink ball can offer some different kinds of varieties.

1435
01:14:17,907 --> 01:14:21,907
Speaker 19: So unfortunately, though I do believe that Jasper Wilmer is

1436
01:14:21,947 --> 01:14:24,427
Speaker 19: going to play that test, that's still it's not like

1437
01:14:24,587 --> 01:14:25,587
Speaker 19: he's not going.

1438
01:14:25,347 --> 01:14:27,587
Speaker 18: To Adelaide so he can do anything with the ball.

1439
01:14:27,627 --> 01:14:29,787
Speaker 18: At the moment, he is one of a kind.

1440
01:14:30,147 --> 01:14:31,947
Speaker 2: Yeah, guy, you've got to find something on him to

1441
01:14:31,947 --> 01:14:34,067
Speaker 2: just get him out of the country, you know, to

1442
01:14:34,147 --> 01:14:35,467
Speaker 2: port him. I don't know what it is, but you've

1443
01:14:35,467 --> 01:14:37,307
Speaker 2: got to find something to get him out of that lineup.

1444
01:14:38,347 --> 01:14:41,267
Speaker 19: Offer him like a lavish party back in India that

1445
01:14:41,307 --> 01:14:43,987
Speaker 19: he can attend for the next I don't know month,

1446
01:14:45,067 --> 01:14:47,627
Speaker 19: but no, he'll be there and he'll be an absolute

1447
01:14:47,707 --> 01:14:50,507
Speaker 19: threatn And it's a problem, a big problem to solve

1448
01:14:50,547 --> 01:14:51,227
Speaker 19: for Australia.

1449
01:14:51,307 --> 01:14:53,467
Speaker 2: Look, we feel deeply for you across the side of

1450
01:14:53,467 --> 01:14:56,147
Speaker 2: the testment. As always when when the Australian cr team's

1451
01:14:56,147 --> 01:14:58,027
Speaker 2: not going well, we feel it on the side of

1452
01:14:58,027 --> 01:14:59,667
Speaker 2: the Test madam. So I hope you know that we're

1453
01:14:59,707 --> 01:14:59,947
Speaker 2: with you.

1454
01:15:01,227 --> 01:15:03,267
Speaker 18: I totally get it. Yeah, I totally realize that.

1455
01:15:03,507 --> 01:15:04,067
Speaker 4: Absolutely.

1456
01:15:05,267 --> 01:15:08,067
Speaker 2: Look the Australian and and Ireland Test matched around out

1457
01:15:08,067 --> 01:15:12,267
Speaker 2: the Test rugby season, the Wallabies completing things early hours

1458
01:15:12,307 --> 01:15:15,747
Speaker 2: tomorrow afternoon, sorry tomorrow morning, New Zealand time, your time

1459
01:15:15,787 --> 01:15:20,067
Speaker 2: as well. Joe Schmidt, But of a homecoming for him, Yeah.

1460
01:15:19,907 --> 01:15:21,827
Speaker 19: Reading all the articles about him this week, it's like

1461
01:15:21,867 --> 01:15:23,707
Speaker 19: he's a king over there.

1462
01:15:23,747 --> 01:15:25,867
Speaker 18: He which is nice to see.

1463
01:15:26,387 --> 01:15:28,627
Speaker 19: It's not like looked on as bitterness about how it

1464
01:15:28,707 --> 01:15:32,067
Speaker 19: might have ended or how they parted. It's more about

1465
01:15:32,107 --> 01:15:34,667
Speaker 19: what he did and yeah, that's you don't always see

1466
01:15:34,667 --> 01:15:37,427
Speaker 19: that in sport. So he's obviously had a huge effect

1467
01:15:37,507 --> 01:15:40,987
Speaker 19: on Irish rugby at every level to help get them

1468
01:15:40,987 --> 01:15:43,187
Speaker 19: where they are, which is always now one of the

1469
01:15:43,227 --> 01:15:47,107
Speaker 19: hardest hardest places to go in rugby and the hardest

1470
01:15:47,107 --> 01:15:48,267
Speaker 19: opponents wherever they play.

1471
01:15:48,387 --> 01:15:50,867
Speaker 18: So maybe he should have got something more out of

1472
01:15:50,867 --> 01:15:51,707
Speaker 18: the World Cup.

1473
01:15:51,547 --> 01:15:57,707
Speaker 21: Recently, but yeah, up against it here using more players again,

1474
01:15:58,867 --> 01:16:00,907
Speaker 21: depth and issue on this tour of Bang bang bang,

1475
01:16:00,947 --> 01:16:04,067
Speaker 21: these test matches could quite get past Scotland this week.

1476
01:16:04,227 --> 01:16:06,947
Speaker 19: Probably not expected to get past Island, but nice surprise

1477
01:16:07,027 --> 01:16:10,147
Speaker 19: if the Wallaby's hard to do something, make it three

1478
01:16:10,227 --> 01:16:11,267
Speaker 19: or four on this tour.

1479
01:16:11,427 --> 01:16:13,227
Speaker 2: Have people sort of set up and taken notice? And

1480
01:16:13,267 --> 01:16:15,907
Speaker 2: obviously you lost last week in Edinburgh, but have people

1481
01:16:15,947 --> 01:16:18,147
Speaker 2: gone okay, well, the Wallaby's actually might be on an

1482
01:16:18,227 --> 01:16:19,387
Speaker 2: upwards trajictory here.

1483
01:16:20,147 --> 01:16:23,227
Speaker 19: Yeah, the England game was that one that kind of

1484
01:16:23,307 --> 01:16:25,827
Speaker 19: shocked everyone that we got not only so close but

1485
01:16:25,867 --> 01:16:29,627
Speaker 19: actually beat them on the bell. So Wales wasn't as expected.

1486
01:16:30,187 --> 01:16:33,507
Speaker 19: Wasn't as a surprise, I should say, because yeah that

1487
01:16:33,587 --> 01:16:36,067
Speaker 19: Wales will shruggly not gone through its finest moment.

1488
01:16:36,147 --> 01:16:37,267
Speaker 18: But yeah, if you can.

1489
01:16:37,147 --> 01:16:39,827
Speaker 19: Get Ireland and get three of these four. Tim Horn

1490
01:16:39,867 --> 01:16:42,507
Speaker 19: said a couple of weeks ago to me in another interview,

1491
01:16:42,547 --> 01:16:45,827
Speaker 19: He goes, look, if we take a step back and okay,

1492
01:16:45,867 --> 01:16:48,107
Speaker 19: if it doesn't go our way against Scotland, we beat

1493
01:16:48,147 --> 01:16:51,267
Speaker 19: Ireland three or four, that's beyond expectations before this tour

1494
01:16:51,907 --> 01:16:53,547
Speaker 19: and at the good building block for the British and

1495
01:16:53,587 --> 01:16:54,267
Speaker 19: Irish Lions.

1496
01:16:54,507 --> 01:16:55,227
Speaker 13: Joe Shmidt.

1497
01:16:55,267 --> 01:16:59,107
Speaker 19: I think he debuts his nineteenth player of the year.

1498
01:16:59,347 --> 01:17:00,707
Speaker 18: In this test match.

1499
01:17:01,307 --> 01:17:03,747
Speaker 19: So he's gone to the bottom of the depth pool

1500
01:17:03,867 --> 01:17:05,867
Speaker 19: to try and find out who's good enough for the

1501
01:17:05,947 --> 01:17:08,547
Speaker 19: years to which is good to see. But he's done

1502
01:17:08,547 --> 01:17:10,467
Speaker 19: it in a different way to Eddie Jones. He's not

1503
01:17:10,627 --> 01:17:13,947
Speaker 19: just kind of just done everything at once. He's done

1504
01:17:13,987 --> 01:17:16,547
Speaker 19: it gradually. He's poked around, he's seen the players that

1505
01:17:16,547 --> 01:17:19,587
Speaker 19: he's identified and given him a go. So yeah, I

1506
01:17:19,627 --> 01:17:21,947
Speaker 19: think it's encouraging as much as anything.

1507
01:17:22,027 --> 01:17:24,987
Speaker 2: And Joey so he cleared to play this week, which

1508
01:17:24,987 --> 01:17:27,627
Speaker 2: didn't look likely last week after he wins off. He

1509
01:17:27,907 --> 01:17:30,347
Speaker 2: seems like a player that you know, if you're a

1510
01:17:30,427 --> 01:17:33,187
Speaker 2: neutral fan, you might get the old TV sits flicking

1511
01:17:33,227 --> 01:17:35,627
Speaker 2: on to see how he's going. If you're a neutral

1512
01:17:35,707 --> 01:17:38,547
Speaker 2: or a casual rugby fan, he seems like the interest

1513
01:17:38,627 --> 01:17:40,147
Speaker 2: levels have sort of peaked and gone next. I want

1514
01:17:40,147 --> 01:17:41,587
Speaker 2: to see how this kid's going over there.

1515
01:17:42,147 --> 01:17:44,707
Speaker 19: Yeah, and very much so, because he's huge in rugby

1516
01:17:44,787 --> 01:17:47,027
Speaker 19: league and big name in rugby league, so rugby league

1517
01:17:47,027 --> 01:17:50,027
Speaker 19: fans by nature are wondering how he's going or some

1518
01:17:50,707 --> 01:17:53,667
Speaker 19: which is better than none. And look that the guy

1519
01:17:54,587 --> 01:17:56,747
Speaker 19: has been thrown straight in there. He's playing Rguby League

1520
01:17:56,747 --> 01:17:59,427
Speaker 19: a couple months ago. So now that he's going to

1521
01:17:59,507 --> 01:18:01,907
Speaker 19: come back, have a little rest, then do a proper

1522
01:18:02,267 --> 01:18:04,947
Speaker 19: little pre season. He won't need much topping up before

1523
01:18:04,987 --> 01:18:07,627
Speaker 19: going again for the Super Rugby. He gets his block

1524
01:18:07,667 --> 01:18:12,347
Speaker 19: of understanding their game in final detail throughout that. So yeah,

1525
01:18:12,427 --> 01:18:14,987
Speaker 19: really exciting to see what he can be by the

1526
01:18:14,987 --> 01:18:15,787
Speaker 19: middle of next year.

1527
01:18:15,907 --> 01:18:17,627
Speaker 2: Adam Peacock with us. Just finally, Adam, I gets in

1528
01:18:17,707 --> 01:18:20,147
Speaker 2: terms of that British and Irish Lions series next year.

1529
01:18:20,307 --> 01:18:23,467
Speaker 2: The series seems to have been a bit of a

1530
01:18:23,507 --> 01:18:26,307
Speaker 2: precursor to then. And I know the ticket sales the

1531
01:18:26,387 --> 01:18:28,907
Speaker 2: British lays and Irish come down and they sell out

1532
01:18:28,907 --> 01:18:31,027
Speaker 2: those places. But is there a sense that there is

1533
01:18:31,067 --> 01:18:33,347
Speaker 2: something building towards that Lion series next year.

1534
01:18:34,067 --> 01:18:35,947
Speaker 18: Yeah, it's viewed over.

1535
01:18:35,787 --> 01:18:39,467
Speaker 19: Here oddly enough because rugby is Australia not exactly financially flying,

1536
01:18:39,507 --> 01:18:42,987
Speaker 19: but almost the savior of the code. I know that

1537
01:18:43,067 --> 01:18:47,067
Speaker 19: sounds ridiculously dramatic, but it's going to help no end

1538
01:18:47,747 --> 01:18:51,867
Speaker 19: both commercially and all those things off the park reputationally,

1539
01:18:52,187 --> 01:18:54,827
Speaker 19: but also it'll be a great series, be a great

1540
01:18:54,827 --> 01:18:57,027
Speaker 19: three match series and there'll be a little tour around

1541
01:18:57,027 --> 01:18:59,547
Speaker 19: it as well. So it'll help rugby in many ways,

1542
01:18:59,987 --> 01:19:01,507
Speaker 19: and it doesn't need it because it's kind of been

1543
01:19:02,067 --> 01:19:05,467
Speaker 19: last ten years especially kind of been gazumped by rugby league.

1544
01:19:05,747 --> 01:19:09,267
Speaker 18: There's this kind of like feeling and I.

1545
01:19:09,307 --> 01:19:12,667
Speaker 19: Think it's more from rugular towards rugby union about we're

1546
01:19:12,707 --> 01:19:15,627
Speaker 19: better than you, You're a crap sport. I mean they

1547
01:19:15,747 --> 01:19:19,307
Speaker 19: both have their place absolutely, so yeah, this will show

1548
01:19:19,307 --> 01:19:21,707
Speaker 19: the best of rugby this tour coming and it will

1549
01:19:21,787 --> 01:19:25,107
Speaker 19: be very very much needed for rugby Australia.

1550
01:19:25,147 --> 01:19:26,987
Speaker 2: Indeed, it will be Adam Peacock, thank you very much

1551
01:19:26,987 --> 01:19:28,707
Speaker 2: of your time as always on a Saturday afternoon, look

1552
01:19:28,707 --> 01:19:29,787
Speaker 2: forward to catching up again soon.

1553
01:19:30,467 --> 01:19:31,947
Speaker 18: Sounds good, Thanks Mane having one.

1554
01:19:32,067 --> 01:19:34,107
Speaker 2: Adam Peacock joining us, says he always does on a

1555
01:19:34,147 --> 01:19:38,227
Speaker 2: Saturday afternoon to talk about the world of Australian sports

1556
01:19:38,227 --> 01:19:41,467
Speaker 2: here on News Talk ZIBB. We'll take a break, come

1557
01:19:41,507 --> 01:19:44,347
Speaker 2: back wrap up the hour after this. It is ten

1558
01:19:44,587 --> 01:19:45,307
Speaker 2: away from two.

1559
01:19:46,427 --> 01:19:48,707
Speaker 1: When it's down to the line. You made a call

1560
01:19:48,867 --> 01:19:52,867
Speaker 1: on eighty weekend Sport News Talk ZENB.

1561
01:19:53,307 --> 01:19:55,267
Speaker 2: It is coming up six away from two on News

1562
01:19:55,307 --> 01:19:57,227
Speaker 2: Talk ZI Big week in Sport Elliott Smith and for

1563
01:19:57,307 --> 01:19:59,387
Speaker 2: Jason Paine this week Key and a couple of ticks

1564
01:19:59,467 --> 01:20:04,667
Speaker 2: on the rugby eligibility meta. Charlie says this Elliott will

1565
01:20:04,707 --> 01:20:07,307
Speaker 2: be better trying to keep Harry Plummer a huge loss

1566
01:20:07,307 --> 01:20:09,827
Speaker 2: who could ignite those outside them than Richie Wonger, who

1567
01:20:09,907 --> 01:20:12,267
Speaker 2: is flashed but not as consistent or good at making

1568
01:20:12,307 --> 01:20:16,347
Speaker 2: others great. Peter, Richie wong is an ability to change

1569
01:20:16,347 --> 01:20:18,947
Speaker 2: the game plan was what cost us the last two

1570
01:20:19,067 --> 01:20:21,347
Speaker 2: World Cups. Another s does this feel stronger? This is

1571
01:20:21,387 --> 01:20:23,987
Speaker 2: all about Richie Wonger. We do not need him and

1572
01:20:24,027 --> 01:20:26,307
Speaker 2: nobody seems to be prepared to say he was not

1573
01:20:26,507 --> 01:20:30,267
Speaker 2: that good in black and another one with saying the

1574
01:20:30,307 --> 01:20:34,267
Speaker 2: problem is the midfield, big problem. Final text on the

1575
01:20:34,307 --> 01:20:37,067
Speaker 2: matter is from Paul High alligant, what lack of depth

1576
01:20:37,147 --> 01:20:39,227
Speaker 2: at ten are you on about? The lack of depth

1577
01:20:39,307 --> 01:20:41,547
Speaker 2: is only caused by Paul selection Barrett and d Mack

1578
01:20:41,587 --> 01:20:43,947
Speaker 2: Whenever the answer they should have put the development into

1579
01:20:43,947 --> 01:20:46,187
Speaker 2: Plumber and seen him develop rather than the other two.

1580
01:20:46,187 --> 01:20:48,467
Speaker 2: They've got no better or have any chance of getting

1581
01:20:48,467 --> 01:20:50,907
Speaker 2: any better. I would seduce a better solution than playing

1582
01:20:50,907 --> 01:20:53,267
Speaker 2: overseas based players would be to listen to Players Association

1583
01:20:53,347 --> 01:20:57,387
Speaker 2: plower powers so that the Barrett's d Max, CANA and

1584
01:20:57,427 --> 01:20:59,667
Speaker 2: TJ can be replaced when the ability doesn't meet the

1585
01:20:59,787 --> 01:21:03,947
Speaker 2: required standards. Thanks very much for the text, Paul. Good

1586
01:21:03,987 --> 01:21:08,107
Speaker 2: news from christ Ditch being Stokes has been dismissed for

1587
01:21:08,307 --> 01:21:10,787
Speaker 2: eighty So the black Caps have finally got rids of

1588
01:21:10,827 --> 01:21:14,827
Speaker 2: the England captain four hundred and eighty five for nine

1589
01:21:15,027 --> 01:21:18,867
Speaker 2: hour bowld Henry Court Southy hold out to long on

1590
01:21:19,067 --> 01:21:21,827
Speaker 2: so that lead for England at one hundred and thirty seven.

1591
01:21:21,867 --> 01:21:25,787
Speaker 2: They have one more wickets as it stands at the moment,

1592
01:21:26,147 --> 01:21:28,747
Speaker 2: closing in on a lead of one hundred and fifty,

1593
01:21:28,787 --> 01:21:31,387
Speaker 2: but now with a couple of tail enders at the crease.

1594
01:21:31,467 --> 01:21:34,747
Speaker 2: So you would hope if the black Caps can get

1595
01:21:34,987 --> 01:21:38,347
Speaker 2: this last wicket they will not be too far away

1596
01:21:38,427 --> 01:21:41,387
Speaker 2: from batting. But that lead is going to be in

1597
01:21:41,427 --> 01:21:45,347
Speaker 2: the shadows of one hundred and fifty. Sharba Sheer coming

1598
01:21:45,387 --> 01:21:49,107
Speaker 2: to the crease average of six point eight highest score

1599
01:21:49,147 --> 01:21:53,787
Speaker 2: of thirteen in Test cricket across thirteen matches. Matt Henry

1600
01:21:53,907 --> 01:21:57,347
Speaker 2: bowling at him. He's on strike, so look, you would

1601
01:21:57,427 --> 01:21:59,827
Speaker 2: hope that Matt Henry might be able to do something

1602
01:21:59,867 --> 01:22:03,507
Speaker 2: here and ensure that lead doesn't reach one hundred and fifty.

1603
01:22:03,547 --> 01:22:06,387
Speaker 2: Bend Stokes just having an absolute slash at it and

1604
01:22:06,507 --> 01:22:09,747
Speaker 2: dismissed finally. But the worrying thing for England is the

1605
01:22:09,827 --> 01:22:13,307
Speaker 2: runs are becoming very very easy. That run rate four

1606
01:22:13,347 --> 01:22:15,747
Speaker 2: point eight and over the been going out this inning,

1607
01:22:15,827 --> 01:22:17,747
Speaker 2: so it's been going on at a fair clip end

1608
01:22:18,307 --> 01:22:22,027
Speaker 2: with the tail wagging hasn't been great for the black Caps.

1609
01:22:22,067 --> 01:22:24,027
Speaker 2: We'll head to Andrew Ortis the next hour for an

1610
01:22:24,107 --> 01:22:28,027
Speaker 2: update on how proceedings are unfolding, probably hopefully with the

1611
01:22:28,027 --> 01:22:30,667
Speaker 2: black Caps at the crease batting wise. We'll go back

1612
01:22:30,667 --> 01:22:33,347
Speaker 2: to Hagley Oval after two more football. Next hour on

1613
01:22:33,387 --> 01:22:36,587
Speaker 2: the program will take you inside the Auckland FC camp

1614
01:22:36,707 --> 01:22:40,187
Speaker 2: with Max Maatta and the Australian Football Players Association on

1615
01:22:40,307 --> 01:22:43,707
Speaker 2: why they're feuding with the boss of the a leagues. News,

1616
01:22:43,707 --> 01:22:45,227
Speaker 2: Sport and Weather next.

1617
01:22:45,947 --> 01:22:50,227
Speaker 1: The only plays for the big names, the big issues,

1618
01:22:50,867 --> 01:22:56,387
Speaker 1: the big controversies and the big conversations. It's all on

1619
01:22:56,467 --> 01:23:01,227
Speaker 1: Weekend Sport on your home of Sport. News Talk said.

1620
01:23:00,987 --> 01:23:06,547
Speaker 2: Be welcome back. In six half and two we can

1621
01:23:06,667 --> 01:23:10,547
Speaker 2: Sport Elligant Smith in for Pineyer this weekend and they

1622
01:23:10,747 --> 01:23:15,187
Speaker 2: finally got the last wickets England all out four hundred

1623
01:23:15,227 --> 01:23:20,627
Speaker 2: and ninety nine, Tim Salley taking the catch Basher the

1624
01:23:20,667 --> 01:23:24,627
Speaker 2: man that goes off the bowling of Matt Henry, and

1625
01:23:24,667 --> 01:23:27,747
Speaker 2: the black Caps have finally managed to wrap up the

1626
01:23:27,787 --> 01:23:31,387
Speaker 2: England innings. They lead by one hundred and fifty one.

1627
01:23:31,827 --> 01:23:36,147
Speaker 2: England and the black Caps will head out to the

1628
01:23:36,147 --> 01:23:38,867
Speaker 2: Creech in about ten to fifteen minutes to try and

1629
01:23:38,907 --> 01:23:42,747
Speaker 2: plug away at that deficit. Andrew Ordison will join us

1630
01:23:42,787 --> 01:23:47,707
Speaker 2: this hour to update us on proceedings at Hagleoval in

1631
01:23:47,827 --> 01:23:53,667
Speaker 2: christ Church also head to Australia shortly. Bo Bush, boss

1632
01:23:53,667 --> 01:23:57,307
Speaker 2: of the Australian Professional Players Association. They look after A

1633
01:23:57,427 --> 01:24:01,987
Speaker 2: League players on both sides of the Tasman. It's a

1634
01:24:01,987 --> 01:24:04,267
Speaker 2: bit of a feeling that they're not happy with the

1635
01:24:04,307 --> 01:24:07,267
Speaker 2: way the A League is being run at the moment.

1636
01:24:07,507 --> 01:24:11,467
Speaker 2: Bobush will explain shortly why that is because on this

1637
01:24:11,507 --> 01:24:14,587
Speaker 2: side of the Tasmen it's all looking rather rosy from

1638
01:24:14,627 --> 01:24:17,747
Speaker 2: an A League perspective. Our two teams a top of

1639
01:24:17,787 --> 01:24:20,867
Speaker 2: the ladder couldn't be going better, Not so much across

1640
01:24:20,907 --> 01:24:25,587
Speaker 2: the competition as a whole boat. We'll explain that very shortly.

1641
01:24:25,627 --> 01:24:29,787
Speaker 2: We head inside Auckland FC camp very shortly as well.

1642
01:24:30,787 --> 01:24:36,147
Speaker 2: All why it's for Max Mutter and we'll join the program.

1643
01:24:36,347 --> 01:24:38,987
Speaker 2: Fifth game of the season for the end this afternoon,

1644
01:24:39,067 --> 01:24:43,667
Speaker 2: chasing their fifth straight victory. Mount Smart Stadium the scene

1645
01:24:43,667 --> 01:24:48,147
Speaker 2: for that Newcastle Jets fixed ship five o'clock kickoff. Max

1646
01:24:48,187 --> 01:24:51,987
Speaker 2: to join us shortly here on weekend Sport State after two,

1647
01:24:52,987 --> 01:24:56,627
Speaker 2: as we do this time every Saturday and Sunday afternoon,

1648
01:24:58,187 --> 01:25:01,907
Speaker 2: we dig in. It's in case you missed it. There's

1649
01:25:01,947 --> 01:25:05,427
Speaker 2: a lot of thanksgiving NFL football to get into. Let's

1650
01:25:05,427 --> 01:25:07,347
Speaker 2: start off with a bit of con TRAVISI.

1651
01:25:07,227 --> 01:25:10,707
Speaker 6: For fifteen seconds and it's third and twenty six, save

1652
01:25:10,747 --> 01:25:13,547
Speaker 6: that one time out left to get a better hurry.

1653
01:25:13,467 --> 01:25:16,747
Speaker 12: Oh, this is soon accessor of the making here.

1654
01:25:17,227 --> 01:25:19,107
Speaker 2: You have to do something when it comes down to

1655
01:25:19,147 --> 01:25:25,227
Speaker 2: this play and complete and the game is over. Completely

1656
01:25:25,427 --> 01:25:28,387
Speaker 2: botched at the end by the Bears. I believe that

1657
01:25:28,667 --> 01:25:31,707
Speaker 2: if the coach of the Chicago Bears as well, on

1658
01:25:31,747 --> 01:25:34,387
Speaker 2: the basis of that, so thanks to that, you've choked

1659
01:25:34,387 --> 01:25:36,507
Speaker 2: you why a Patentia win over the Detroit Lions the

1660
01:25:36,507 --> 01:25:39,307
Speaker 2: top seeds twenty three to twenty final score, and you've

1661
01:25:39,347 --> 01:25:42,067
Speaker 2: lost your job. The Dallas Cowboys with a much need

1662
01:25:42,067 --> 01:25:44,707
Speaker 2: to win over the division rivals, the New York Giants.

1663
01:25:44,867 --> 01:25:46,587
Speaker 7: Here we go, game on the line.

1664
01:25:46,747 --> 01:25:48,747
Speaker 19: Help them get a first to tell their giants trying

1665
01:25:48,747 --> 01:25:49,267
Speaker 19: to get it back.

1666
01:25:49,347 --> 01:25:49,907
Speaker 17: Third and two?

1667
01:25:49,947 --> 01:25:54,107
Speaker 7: Who rush is throwing Clarens a cat's out of whe's

1668
01:25:54,147 --> 01:25:55,107
Speaker 7: got cups.

1669
01:25:54,947 --> 01:25:57,427
Speaker 2: And he's in and the Croup runs in a top

1670
01:25:57,547 --> 01:26:01,227
Speaker 2: first down for Dallas. Twenty's even twenty of the Cowboys way.

1671
01:26:01,387 --> 01:26:05,587
Speaker 2: The Green Bay Packers had no trouble getting past Miami's Dolphins.

1672
01:26:05,387 --> 01:26:08,787
Speaker 15: Thirty two to three, beat to Jacob It's.

1673
01:26:08,667 --> 01:26:14,827
Speaker 7: Breed post for the second time. Oh this Thanksgiving made

1674
01:26:16,947 --> 01:26:18,827
Speaker 7: seconds are so said?

1675
01:26:18,827 --> 01:26:21,987
Speaker 2: He points to seventeen, a scoreboard that flatters the Dolphins.

1676
01:26:22,067 --> 01:26:23,827
Speaker 2: Let's head to the Premier League. Just the one game

1677
01:26:24,667 --> 01:26:28,587
Speaker 2: over nights with Brighton battling Southampton, Glampsey into a very.

1678
01:26:28,507 --> 01:26:34,027
Speaker 6: Dangerous Harison Levers and Dolpher Mantoma all about the quality

1679
01:26:34,107 --> 01:26:37,747
Speaker 6: of the delivery the fount so invited, But Karl Mantoma,

1680
01:26:38,427 --> 01:26:42,147
Speaker 6: who's thrown himself at it and scores a doll that

1681
01:26:42,227 --> 01:26:44,387
Speaker 6: could propel Brightened up to second.

1682
01:26:44,547 --> 01:26:47,867
Speaker 2: The Southampton did eventually equalize the draw, though sore enough

1683
01:26:47,907 --> 01:26:50,507
Speaker 2: to see Brighten up for Sickens on the ladder for now,

1684
01:26:50,747 --> 01:26:53,107
Speaker 2: and let's go to the Formula one. A great outing

1685
01:26:53,187 --> 01:26:56,587
Speaker 2: for Liam Lawson qualifying intent for the sprint race at

1686
01:26:56,627 --> 01:26:58,947
Speaker 2: the Cuts Up Grand Prix. Across the line we'll go

1687
01:26:59,027 --> 01:26:59,667
Speaker 2: Liam Lawson.

1688
01:26:59,867 --> 01:27:03,387
Speaker 22: He goes eight fastest, Potass can't quite make it twelve fastest.

1689
01:27:03,427 --> 01:27:08,027
Speaker 22: Only Hulkberg goes ahead of Lawson added to eight. Pulkenberg

1690
01:27:08,107 --> 01:27:10,507
Speaker 22: gains up, Pete sand Lawson in the middle of them,

1691
01:27:10,867 --> 01:27:13,587
Speaker 22: and it's Lando Norris on pole van for the sprints

1692
01:27:13,627 --> 01:27:14,827
Speaker 22: here and catap.

1693
01:27:16,587 --> 01:27:19,187
Speaker 1: The scoop from the track field and the court on

1694
01:27:19,347 --> 01:27:23,627
Speaker 1: your home of Sport weekends for ITV.

1695
01:27:23,907 --> 01:27:26,147
Speaker 2: Where it is sad after surve just joining us again

1696
01:27:26,227 --> 01:27:29,507
Speaker 2: England to dismiss for four hundred and ninety nine. That

1697
01:27:29,747 --> 01:27:32,867
Speaker 2: is a lead for them of one hundred and fifty

1698
01:27:32,867 --> 01:27:35,227
Speaker 2: one runs in the black Caps openers will head up

1699
01:27:35,347 --> 01:27:39,267
Speaker 2: to the increase in the next few moments or so.

1700
01:27:39,787 --> 01:27:42,827
Speaker 2: Turning our attention though to football at eleven after two

1701
01:27:43,267 --> 01:27:47,867
Speaker 2: on Weekends Sport interesting survey out this week half of

1702
01:27:47,987 --> 01:27:51,707
Speaker 2: the eight league men's players are dissatisfied with the running

1703
01:27:51,947 --> 01:27:56,027
Speaker 2: of the league. Twenty seven percent very dissatisfied with how

1704
01:27:56,067 --> 01:27:59,347
Speaker 2: the Australian professional leagues are performing in their management of

1705
01:27:59,427 --> 01:28:02,867
Speaker 2: the competition. Forty six percent have load trust in their

1706
01:28:02,907 --> 01:28:06,467
Speaker 2: ability to improve the league. Only eleven percent have a

1707
01:28:06,627 --> 01:28:10,027
Speaker 2: high trust level in the managing body. So as things

1708
01:28:10,107 --> 01:28:12,947
Speaker 2: look rather rosie on this side of the Tasman around

1709
01:28:12,987 --> 01:28:16,787
Speaker 2: all CLINDFC and the Wellington Phoenix across the competition as

1710
01:28:16,827 --> 01:28:19,827
Speaker 2: a whole, it's not tracking that well. Joining us to

1711
01:28:19,907 --> 01:28:23,867
Speaker 2: discuss more is the Professional Football is Australia CO Chief

1712
01:28:23,907 --> 01:28:26,547
Speaker 2: executive bo Bush Bo thanks for your time here on

1713
01:28:26,627 --> 01:28:28,107
Speaker 2: News Talk ZIPB this afternoon.

1714
01:28:28,667 --> 01:28:29,787
Speaker 23: Thanks so much for having me on.

1715
01:28:29,947 --> 01:28:31,187
Speaker 12: Much appreciated well.

1716
01:28:31,267 --> 01:28:33,467
Speaker 2: Stats released during the week, half of all eight league

1717
01:28:33,507 --> 01:28:37,027
Speaker 2: men's players are dissatisfied with how the league is managed,

1718
01:28:37,067 --> 01:28:40,227
Speaker 2: according to a survey that the players Union have run.

1719
01:28:40,267 --> 01:28:43,867
Speaker 2: It's a Philly damning headline that screams out from the

1720
01:28:43,947 --> 01:28:44,987
Speaker 2: news outlets, isn't it, bo?

1721
01:28:46,267 --> 01:28:46,547
Speaker 20: I think?

1722
01:28:46,627 --> 01:28:49,387
Speaker 23: Look, the starting point for the players was to have

1723
01:28:49,587 --> 01:28:51,747
Speaker 23: a thriving a league. We need to have a really

1724
01:28:51,787 --> 01:28:55,987
Speaker 23: effective relationship with the APL to be able to rebuild

1725
01:28:56,027 --> 01:28:57,627
Speaker 23: the sport, to get it to where we know it

1726
01:28:57,707 --> 01:29:00,507
Speaker 23: can be both in Australia and New Zealand, and this

1727
01:29:00,707 --> 01:29:03,427
Speaker 23: sort of really clarifies the scale of the challenges that

1728
01:29:03,507 --> 01:29:06,027
Speaker 23: we've got that there needs to be a significant improvement.

1729
01:29:06,427 --> 01:29:10,507
Speaker 23: Players feel like their expertise and their voice isn't able

1730
01:29:10,667 --> 01:29:13,907
Speaker 23: to be exerted in an influential way around the governance

1731
01:29:13,947 --> 01:29:16,907
Speaker 23: of the sport to help make better decisions. So this

1732
01:29:17,027 --> 01:29:19,667
Speaker 23: sort of really clarifies what it looks like when it's

1733
01:29:19,747 --> 01:29:21,907
Speaker 23: not working. And the hope is that this can be

1734
01:29:21,947 --> 01:29:23,787
Speaker 23: a starting point and if we do this survey at

1735
01:29:23,787 --> 01:29:26,107
Speaker 23: the end of the next year see significant improvement.

1736
01:29:26,587 --> 01:29:28,947
Speaker 2: What are the frustrations then that the players have with

1737
01:29:29,107 --> 01:29:30,547
Speaker 2: the way that the league is being managed.

1738
01:29:31,507 --> 01:29:33,387
Speaker 23: Well, I think if you look at the last few years,

1739
01:29:33,427 --> 01:29:36,307
Speaker 23: and particularly the New Zealand players, our Wellington players went

1740
01:29:36,427 --> 01:29:39,427
Speaker 23: through enormous sacrifices to be able to ensure that the

1741
01:29:39,467 --> 01:29:41,947
Speaker 23: sport could get through COVID, and the hope is that

1742
01:29:42,027 --> 01:29:45,427
Speaker 23: there would be better times around the horizon. The players

1743
01:29:45,547 --> 01:29:48,507
Speaker 23: entered into a long term collective bargaining agreement with the

1744
01:29:48,587 --> 01:29:50,907
Speaker 23: APL and the hope was that that would give the

1745
01:29:50,947 --> 01:29:53,987
Speaker 23: game a platform to really stabilize its financial basis, and

1746
01:29:54,267 --> 01:29:58,347
Speaker 23: unfortunately that hasn't happened. There's been significant investment into areas

1747
01:29:58,387 --> 01:30:01,187
Speaker 23: such as keep up, only for that to be closed down.

1748
01:30:01,427 --> 01:30:05,067
Speaker 23: We've seen a lot of uncertainty around the private equity

1749
01:30:05,147 --> 01:30:09,387
Speaker 23: investment that's gone, where it's been invested, when and if

1750
01:30:09,427 --> 01:30:09,947
Speaker 23: that needs to.

1751
01:30:09,947 --> 01:30:10,547
Speaker 13: Be paid back.

1752
01:30:10,627 --> 01:30:12,947
Speaker 23: So these are all really important questions that the players

1753
01:30:13,027 --> 01:30:16,867
Speaker 23: currently don't have clarity over and importantly their decisions that

1754
01:30:17,067 --> 01:30:20,547
Speaker 23: have a massive impact on the players, but equally they

1755
01:30:20,587 --> 01:30:22,587
Speaker 23: had very little say over them as well.

1756
01:30:23,667 --> 01:30:25,947
Speaker 2: I guess this doesn't happen overnight, does it, And as

1757
01:30:25,987 --> 01:30:28,987
Speaker 2: you mentioned it, know the COVID issue has snowboard over

1758
01:30:28,987 --> 01:30:32,747
Speaker 2: the last few years. Has these things been fistering for

1759
01:30:32,867 --> 01:30:34,947
Speaker 2: a while in terms of the players feeling.

1760
01:30:36,147 --> 01:30:38,107
Speaker 23: I think a little bit of both. So what's sort

1761
01:30:38,107 --> 01:30:40,947
Speaker 23: of happened? As I said that the players had made

1762
01:30:40,987 --> 01:30:43,827
Speaker 23: these enormous sacrifices and the challenge was, Okay, let's get

1763
01:30:43,867 --> 01:30:46,547
Speaker 23: the sport through COVID and let's hope for better times

1764
01:30:46,587 --> 01:30:48,467
Speaker 23: on the other side and hope that we've done a

1765
01:30:48,507 --> 01:30:50,867
Speaker 23: collective bargaining agreement that goes far enough to do that.

1766
01:30:51,227 --> 01:30:53,307
Speaker 23: There we've seen some really positive stuff. So we've seen

1767
01:30:53,387 --> 01:30:56,787
Speaker 23: positive stuff around the production of young players for examples,

1768
01:30:56,867 --> 01:31:00,307
Speaker 23: and really outstanding coaches coming through the investment into academies,

1769
01:31:00,827 --> 01:31:02,747
Speaker 23: you know, the emergence of Auckland. So that's sort of

1770
01:31:02,787 --> 01:31:05,667
Speaker 23: all positive. But then we've seen this decision making around

1771
01:31:05,707 --> 01:31:08,147
Speaker 23: the Grand Final and the like that we really think

1772
01:31:08,387 --> 01:31:10,667
Speaker 23: is not optimal and that's put the sport in a

1773
01:31:10,707 --> 01:31:13,587
Speaker 23: really difficult position. So that's sort of where it's compounding

1774
01:31:13,707 --> 01:31:16,467
Speaker 23: range of factors and just feeling that the sport doesn't

1775
01:31:16,507 --> 01:31:19,547
Speaker 23: have this clarity at the moment around where it's headed

1776
01:31:19,867 --> 01:31:22,187
Speaker 23: and how it's going to ensure it's successful. So that's

1777
01:31:22,227 --> 01:31:25,627
Speaker 23: really where the player's frustration mainly lies about the moment

1778
01:31:26,107 --> 01:31:28,387
Speaker 23: around a lack of certainty over where we're heading.

1779
01:31:28,627 --> 01:31:30,547
Speaker 2: Because if you look at it from a New Zealand perspective,

1780
01:31:30,667 --> 01:31:33,347
Speaker 2: new team and the competition and theory, if you're looking

1781
01:31:33,347 --> 01:31:35,347
Speaker 2: at from the outside and from a New Zealand perspective,

1782
01:31:35,747 --> 01:31:38,267
Speaker 2: everything on this side of the Tasman seems rather rosy.

1783
01:31:38,347 --> 01:31:39,187
Speaker 2: But that's not the case.

1784
01:31:40,467 --> 01:31:42,107
Speaker 23: Well, look, I think sort of two things can be

1785
01:31:42,147 --> 01:31:45,067
Speaker 23: true at the same time. The emergence of Auckland to

1786
01:31:45,107 --> 01:31:48,387
Speaker 23: come into the competition has been a huge positive alongside

1787
01:31:48,467 --> 01:31:51,507
Speaker 23: the consistent sort of excellence of Wellington Phoenix as well too,

1788
01:31:51,707 --> 01:31:53,987
Speaker 23: on and off the pitch. Those things show us what

1789
01:31:54,107 --> 01:31:56,787
Speaker 23: the sport can be. But I think the decision making

1790
01:31:56,867 --> 01:31:59,067
Speaker 23: has sort of shown us where we are right now

1791
01:31:59,107 --> 01:32:01,747
Speaker 23: and hasn't allowed the impact of teams such as Auckland

1792
01:32:01,787 --> 01:32:05,027
Speaker 23: the success of Wellington to ensure that sort of rising

1793
01:32:05,107 --> 01:32:08,147
Speaker 23: tide lifts all boat. That's the challenge I think these

1794
01:32:08,267 --> 01:32:11,147
Speaker 23: clubs WHI was, we're in a difficult position at the moment.

1795
01:32:11,507 --> 01:32:14,147
Speaker 23: Clubs such as Auckland and Wellington show us what can

1796
01:32:14,227 --> 01:32:16,627
Speaker 23: happen when clubs are run incredibly well, where there's good

1797
01:32:16,667 --> 01:32:19,067
Speaker 23: governance and clarity over what they're trying to achieve. So

1798
01:32:19,147 --> 01:32:21,227
Speaker 23: it gives us hope. But what we're lacking is the

1799
01:32:21,267 --> 01:32:23,787
Speaker 23: strategy around how we translate that league wide.

1800
01:32:24,347 --> 01:32:26,067
Speaker 2: Are you able to dig in and go? Actually, you

1801
01:32:26,147 --> 01:32:28,867
Speaker 2: know Wellington Phoenix for example, their players are really happy,

1802
01:32:28,947 --> 01:32:31,947
Speaker 2: but Western Sydney or what are at thirty percent?

1803
01:32:32,187 --> 01:32:32,347
Speaker 9: Yeah?

1804
01:32:32,467 --> 01:32:34,107
Speaker 2: Able to dig in and go? One club is more

1805
01:32:34,147 --> 01:32:36,747
Speaker 2: happy than the other or is it more competition wide?

1806
01:32:37,827 --> 01:32:39,587
Speaker 23: No, So what we're able to do we do a

1807
01:32:39,707 --> 01:32:42,147
Speaker 23: really comprehensive survey with the players at the end of

1808
01:32:42,187 --> 01:32:44,267
Speaker 23: every season and One of the key areas is we

1809
01:32:44,347 --> 01:32:47,027
Speaker 23: do benchmark the clubs against each other in terms of

1810
01:32:47,187 --> 01:32:51,867
Speaker 23: their workplace experience for the players. What we found was overall,

1811
01:32:51,947 --> 01:32:55,227
Speaker 23: the experience in a club environment is really positive and

1812
01:32:55,547 --> 01:32:59,787
Speaker 23: is improving. We're seeing greater levels of investment into facilities

1813
01:32:59,867 --> 01:33:02,867
Speaker 23: for training facilities. If anyone's had the pleasure to go

1814
01:33:03,027 --> 01:33:05,907
Speaker 23: to Wellington Phoenix there's training ground, it's truly a world

1815
01:33:05,947 --> 01:33:08,867
Speaker 23: class training grounds. So I think these sort of things

1816
01:33:08,907 --> 01:33:11,987
Speaker 23: we're seeing progress there. Where the concern really lies is

1817
01:33:12,027 --> 01:33:14,987
Speaker 23: in relation to the league and the management the overall competition,

1818
01:33:15,267 --> 01:33:18,147
Speaker 23: rather than significant issues at the club base where players

1819
01:33:18,147 --> 01:33:19,547
Speaker 23: are coming in and working every day.

1820
01:33:19,867 --> 01:33:22,347
Speaker 2: The league itself pointed out this was done in May

1821
01:33:22,587 --> 01:33:24,587
Speaker 2: and things have changed since the end. So have you

1822
01:33:24,667 --> 01:33:26,347
Speaker 2: seen any mark change in both?

1823
01:33:27,467 --> 01:33:29,227
Speaker 23: I think there's been some positive stuff. So if you

1824
01:33:29,267 --> 01:33:31,147
Speaker 23: look at the start of the season, we have had

1825
01:33:31,147 --> 01:33:33,307
Speaker 23: a lot of derbies, there's been some really good attendances

1826
01:33:33,387 --> 01:33:35,867
Speaker 23: around that, so there's some positive signs. The APL are

1827
01:33:35,947 --> 01:33:39,107
Speaker 23: doing an increased level of content, We're seeing some more

1828
01:33:39,147 --> 01:33:41,627
Speaker 23: fan engagement and those sort of things. But I think

1829
01:33:41,667 --> 01:33:44,867
Speaker 23: the underlying concern for the players is the governance framework

1830
01:33:44,947 --> 01:33:47,747
Speaker 23: in which the sport operates, which is effectively where the

1831
01:33:47,787 --> 01:33:50,867
Speaker 23: club owners make up the majority of the board, continues

1832
01:33:50,947 --> 01:33:54,467
Speaker 23: to be in place. So the decision making governance framework

1833
01:33:54,507 --> 01:33:57,227
Speaker 23: that allowed for the decision around the Grand Final on

1834
01:33:57,307 --> 01:33:59,987
Speaker 23: others remains in place. So the players are concerned as

1835
01:34:00,027 --> 01:34:03,627
Speaker 23: to of the fundamentals of the sport, what has changed

1836
01:34:03,707 --> 01:34:06,187
Speaker 23: to give them confidence that that isn't going to happen

1837
01:34:06,427 --> 01:34:09,067
Speaker 23: yet And the reality is that those big pieces of

1838
01:34:09,147 --> 01:34:10,507
Speaker 23: the puzzle remain in place.

1839
01:34:11,267 --> 01:34:14,507
Speaker 2: Have you benchmarked it against overseas leagues for example? And

1840
01:34:14,587 --> 01:34:17,067
Speaker 2: I know there's different management structures and how they're run,

1841
01:34:17,187 --> 01:34:19,547
Speaker 2: but you know, forty six percent low trust in the

1842
01:34:19,707 --> 01:34:23,987
Speaker 2: APL professional leagues to deliver the A League strategy. I mean,

1843
01:34:23,987 --> 01:34:26,147
Speaker 2: can you compare that to the Premier League or the

1844
01:34:26,787 --> 01:34:28,987
Speaker 2: legue or anything like that overseas? Have you got those

1845
01:34:29,027 --> 01:34:31,667
Speaker 2: sort of comparisons? Is this widespread or is it very

1846
01:34:31,747 --> 01:34:33,467
Speaker 2: unique to Australia and New Zealand.

1847
01:34:34,307 --> 01:34:37,667
Speaker 23: Look, we're really fortunate in that for a long period

1848
01:34:37,707 --> 01:34:39,587
Speaker 23: of time we've been able to build a really strong

1849
01:34:39,627 --> 01:34:43,987
Speaker 23: and effective relationship with our members. That's not always the

1850
01:34:44,067 --> 01:34:46,467
Speaker 23: case around the world. And also we're often talking about

1851
01:34:46,467 --> 01:34:48,347
Speaker 23: if you look at the English Premier League, for example,

1852
01:34:48,707 --> 01:34:52,307
Speaker 23: we're talking about more clubs, international players and arranger challenges

1853
01:34:52,347 --> 01:34:55,787
Speaker 23: around sort of doing something similar. I haven't seen any

1854
01:34:56,387 --> 01:34:59,547
Speaker 23: evidence of this similar type of project having been rolled out,

1855
01:35:00,307 --> 01:35:02,627
Speaker 23: but I know that fIF PRO the Global Players Union

1856
01:35:02,667 --> 01:35:04,187
Speaker 23: are looking at how they could do this on a

1857
01:35:04,227 --> 01:35:06,587
Speaker 23: global scale, So we could answer that question that you

1858
01:35:07,307 --> 01:35:10,387
Speaker 23: just asked, but we're not currently there at the moment globally.

1859
01:35:10,347 --> 01:35:12,667
Speaker 2: In terms of that vision and strategy to improve the

1860
01:35:12,747 --> 01:35:14,867
Speaker 2: A League. Were looking at it from New Zealand perspective,

1861
01:35:15,147 --> 01:35:17,907
Speaker 2: of course, having two New Zealand teams in there. What

1862
01:35:17,947 --> 01:35:19,747
Speaker 2: do you think that's done for the competition over the

1863
01:35:19,867 --> 01:35:21,907
Speaker 2: last few weeks since it kicked off.

1864
01:35:23,107 --> 01:35:24,907
Speaker 23: I think it's been fantastic. You know, you look at

1865
01:35:24,987 --> 01:35:27,907
Speaker 23: on the pitch that've been incredibly successful. They've recruited well,

1866
01:35:28,347 --> 01:35:31,467
Speaker 23: they've prioritized local New Zealand talent and I think that

1867
01:35:31,627 --> 01:35:34,507
Speaker 23: appears to have been really well received by the local community.

1868
01:35:34,947 --> 01:35:36,427
Speaker 23: But I think there's a lot to learn from the

1869
01:35:36,507 --> 01:35:39,987
Speaker 23: successful role out of expansion. It's been pretty fraud in

1870
01:35:40,067 --> 01:35:43,587
Speaker 23: Australia and New Zealand football history. Expansion has not been

1871
01:35:43,667 --> 01:35:46,027
Speaker 23: something we've often got right. But I think when we

1872
01:35:46,107 --> 01:35:49,067
Speaker 23: look at the experience that we've had with Auckland today

1873
01:35:49,667 --> 01:35:51,987
Speaker 23: is that we've got an incredibly strong ownership group there

1874
01:35:52,067 --> 01:35:54,867
Speaker 23: with multiple people involved with a range of different skills.

1875
01:35:55,187 --> 01:35:58,187
Speaker 23: We've got a good infrastructure base, and we've also importantly

1876
01:35:58,307 --> 01:36:00,867
Speaker 23: got a really strong market that's really keen to engage

1877
01:36:00,907 --> 01:36:03,027
Speaker 23: in football. So I think that's the learning from that

1878
01:36:03,187 --> 01:36:05,907
Speaker 23: of making sure that those three fundamentals are in place

1879
01:36:06,387 --> 01:36:08,387
Speaker 23: for any way we expand, and then we're confident that

1880
01:36:08,467 --> 01:36:11,907
Speaker 23: the sport can be successful in Auckland. Have have proved

1881
01:36:11,907 --> 01:36:13,947
Speaker 23: that and there've been a real breath of fresh air

1882
01:36:14,027 --> 01:36:15,267
Speaker 23: into the competition today.

1883
01:36:15,867 --> 01:36:18,187
Speaker 2: Interest levels obviously have been elevated on the side of

1884
01:36:18,187 --> 01:36:20,707
Speaker 2: the Tasman both for the Auckland and Wellington Big Derby

1885
01:36:20,787 --> 01:36:25,067
Speaker 2: coming up nixt week. I suppose from a players association perspective,

1886
01:36:25,067 --> 01:36:26,867
Speaker 2: how do you ensured that you touched on it there,

1887
01:36:26,907 --> 01:36:29,427
Speaker 2: but it doesn't fizzle out once that the derby's over

1888
01:36:29,507 --> 01:36:31,667
Speaker 2: and you know, perhaps there's a couple of losses that

1889
01:36:31,707 --> 01:36:34,827
Speaker 2: the interest levels do remain high in both of those teams.

1890
01:36:35,827 --> 01:36:35,947
Speaker 19: Well.

1891
01:36:35,987 --> 01:36:38,227
Speaker 23: I think what's been really clear with both clubs is

1892
01:36:38,267 --> 01:36:41,627
Speaker 23: they're incredibly connected into the local community. So they're having

1893
01:36:41,667 --> 01:36:44,907
Speaker 23: a significant impact on the local sporting community, the work

1894
01:36:44,947 --> 01:36:47,387
Speaker 23: they do in schools, the work they do in grassroots clubs.

1895
01:36:47,467 --> 01:36:49,867
Speaker 23: So they're not just about sort of whether I think

1896
01:36:49,907 --> 01:36:52,907
Speaker 23: the popularity shouldn't just rise whether they win or lose.

1897
01:36:52,987 --> 01:36:55,747
Speaker 23: They've become far more important already even in their short

1898
01:36:55,907 --> 01:36:59,107
Speaker 23: history in Auckland, to the local community. So that's really

1899
01:36:59,427 --> 01:37:02,107
Speaker 23: really fundamental. So I think that's the key part of

1900
01:37:02,147 --> 01:37:04,387
Speaker 23: these guys playing the long game. You know, the ownership

1901
01:37:04,427 --> 01:37:07,947
Speaker 23: group there, people like Bill Only, Tim Brown and others

1902
01:37:08,707 --> 01:37:11,027
Speaker 23: know that sort of market. Well, they know what a

1903
01:37:11,067 --> 01:37:14,707
Speaker 23: successful club looks like, and it's really evident that they're

1904
01:37:14,747 --> 01:37:17,027
Speaker 23: willing to play the long game. So I'm really confident that,

1905
01:37:17,387 --> 01:37:19,427
Speaker 23: you know, there may be some ups and downs, but

1906
01:37:19,547 --> 01:37:21,427
Speaker 23: I certainly don't think this is just a matter of

1907
01:37:21,587 --> 01:37:25,587
Speaker 23: Auckland being successful at the start and being something new.

1908
01:37:25,947 --> 01:37:28,547
Speaker 23: It looks like they're making a really long term commitment

1909
01:37:28,627 --> 01:37:31,507
Speaker 23: to Auckland and that's fantastic to see.

1910
01:37:31,907 --> 01:37:33,947
Speaker 2: Just finally, by we've go back to that survey and

1911
01:37:34,027 --> 01:37:36,707
Speaker 2: the dissatisfaction, I suppose what would you like to see,

1912
01:37:36,747 --> 01:37:39,467
Speaker 2: say we're chatting in twelve months time to be implemented

1913
01:37:39,547 --> 01:37:42,387
Speaker 2: by the APL to ensure that the a League is

1914
01:37:42,467 --> 01:37:44,027
Speaker 2: prosperous for years to come.

1915
01:37:45,147 --> 01:37:46,787
Speaker 23: I think what we'd like to see a big shift

1916
01:37:46,947 --> 01:37:50,307
Speaker 23: is moving away from this unilateral model where leagues and

1917
01:37:50,387 --> 01:37:53,187
Speaker 23: clubs actually just come down and make decisions that have

1918
01:37:53,267 --> 01:37:55,907
Speaker 23: a significant impact on players without them even having the

1919
01:37:55,947 --> 01:37:58,227
Speaker 23: opportunity to influence tho. So we want to see a

1920
01:37:58,307 --> 01:38:01,307
Speaker 23: shift there so that anything that impacts players, whether that

1921
01:38:01,427 --> 01:38:04,027
Speaker 23: be expansion, whether that be the entry of private equity,

1922
01:38:04,627 --> 01:38:08,227
Speaker 23: even TV right still, experience of players can help elevate

1923
01:38:08,307 --> 01:38:10,347
Speaker 23: those decisions. Some of our members have played at the

1924
01:38:10,427 --> 01:38:12,907
Speaker 23: highest levels of the sport all around the world, so

1925
01:38:12,947 --> 01:38:15,987
Speaker 23: they've got a lot of expertise we can influence those decisions.

1926
01:38:16,067 --> 01:38:18,387
Speaker 23: But also importantly we can move away from this sort

1927
01:38:18,427 --> 01:38:22,347
Speaker 23: of employer employee relationship and actually become business partners where

1928
01:38:22,347 --> 01:38:25,307
Speaker 23: they're shared incentives around making this sports successful. So that's

1929
01:38:25,307 --> 01:38:28,587
Speaker 23: where we'd really like to move the relationship between the

1930
01:38:28,707 --> 01:38:30,787
Speaker 23: APL and the clubs and with the players.

1931
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Speaker 2: Well watch the space on that front. Bo Thank you

1932
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Speaker 2: so much for your time with us on news Talk ZIBB.

1933
01:38:35,907 --> 01:38:38,227
Speaker 2: Look forward to watching that matter with progress. Appreciate it,

1934
01:38:39,187 --> 01:38:41,627
Speaker 2: no waries. Thanks for your Ton by Bosh, the co

1935
01:38:42,027 --> 01:38:47,187
Speaker 2: CEO of the Professional Footballers Association looking after A League players.

1936
01:38:47,227 --> 01:38:49,947
Speaker 2: Interesting to get that perspective because from a New Zealand perspective,

1937
01:38:49,987 --> 01:38:53,227
Speaker 2: the A Leagu's going absolute great guns at the moment.

1938
01:38:53,467 --> 01:38:55,107
Speaker 2: Some of the players are a lot of the players

1939
01:38:55,707 --> 01:38:58,027
Speaker 2: looking at some of those numbers that Bo mentioned there

1940
01:38:58,107 --> 01:39:00,427
Speaker 2: and that the articles and the survey has suggested that

1941
01:39:01,027 --> 01:39:03,467
Speaker 2: aren't in favor of the way that the A League

1942
01:39:03,947 --> 01:39:07,067
Speaker 2: is hitting. What have you made of this season? Love

1943
01:39:07,147 --> 01:39:10,187
Speaker 2: to get your perspective on that. With two New Zealand teams,

1944
01:39:10,227 --> 01:39:16,067
Speaker 2: are you watching more A League football than previously? Has

1945
01:39:16,107 --> 01:39:19,707
Speaker 2: it captured your imagination to start the season. I've been

1946
01:39:19,747 --> 01:39:22,067
Speaker 2: away for the last five weeks. I actually haven't seen

1947
01:39:22,587 --> 01:39:27,947
Speaker 2: AUCKLANDFC play in full as yes, but I come back

1948
01:39:27,947 --> 01:39:33,187
Speaker 2: to the city merchandise people wearing merchandise everywhere went around

1949
01:39:33,227 --> 01:39:36,547
Speaker 2: Queen Streets or three jerseys. Yes, today Augland f C

1950
01:39:36,667 --> 01:39:41,107
Speaker 2: has opened a coffee shop. It seems like Auckland at

1951
01:39:41,147 --> 01:39:43,707
Speaker 2: least has embraced this team now. There have been a

1952
01:39:43,747 --> 01:39:47,307
Speaker 2: couple of examples previously where expansion and Auckland teams haven't

1953
01:39:47,347 --> 01:39:52,067
Speaker 2: worked out so well, But this time feels different. So

1954
01:39:52,187 --> 01:39:55,027
Speaker 2: in terms of the A league, has this begun to

1955
01:39:55,107 --> 01:39:57,107
Speaker 2: turn the dial a little bit? The Phoenix is obviously

1956
01:39:57,107 --> 01:40:01,267
Speaker 2: do a fantastic job for how long now sixteen seventeen

1957
01:40:01,347 --> 01:40:04,707
Speaker 2: seasons of flying the flag for New Zealand professional football.

1958
01:40:05,427 --> 01:40:07,627
Speaker 2: But to have a second team there has it just

1959
01:40:07,707 --> 01:40:11,627
Speaker 2: elevated it a little bit further? Are you watching more

1960
01:40:11,667 --> 01:40:13,547
Speaker 2: a leagu? Are you more invested the season? Love to

1961
01:40:13,587 --> 01:40:16,347
Speaker 2: hear from you. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty nine

1962
01:40:16,467 --> 01:40:19,387
Speaker 2: two nine two for a text message this afternoon here

1963
01:40:19,467 --> 01:40:20,987
Speaker 2: on news Talk zen B. Will take some of your

1964
01:40:21,027 --> 01:40:23,507
Speaker 2: calls and texts after the day. Also head into Auckland

1965
01:40:23,667 --> 01:40:26,067
Speaker 2: FC camp as well. Max madeup to join the program

1966
01:40:27,027 --> 01:40:29,787
Speaker 2: and talk about that gap. Five o'clock this afternoon against

1967
01:40:29,827 --> 01:40:34,347
Speaker 2: Newcastle Jets at Mount Smarts Stadium as Auckland shoot for

1968
01:40:34,667 --> 01:40:37,627
Speaker 2: five straight victories. Will take a break here on News

1969
01:40:37,667 --> 01:40:40,227
Speaker 2: Talk zen B. The black Caps incidentally two without loss.

1970
01:40:41,187 --> 01:40:43,627
Speaker 2: They are one hundred and forty nine runs behind at

1971
01:40:43,667 --> 01:40:46,067
Speaker 2: this point against England at Hagley Oval. Back with more

1972
01:40:46,107 --> 01:40:48,707
Speaker 2: after this twenty four after two weekend Sport News Talk

1973
01:40:48,787 --> 01:40:49,947
Speaker 2: ZENB the.

1974
01:40:50,067 --> 01:40:54,627
Speaker 1: Tough questions off the turf Weekend Sport with GJ. Gunnomes,

1975
01:40:54,947 --> 01:40:58,667
Speaker 1: New Zealand's most trusted home builder news talg z MBE.

1976
01:40:58,707 --> 01:41:01,547
Speaker 2: It is twenty seven after two on News Talk ZB

1977
01:41:01,907 --> 01:41:03,387
Speaker 2: talking to the A Lee. You might have heard the

1978
01:41:03,427 --> 01:41:05,947
Speaker 2: interview with by Bush before the break around some of

1979
01:41:05,987 --> 01:41:08,027
Speaker 2: the A League issues. Want to know from you this

1980
01:41:08,147 --> 01:41:12,067
Speaker 2: afternoon whether the A League has captured your intention more

1981
01:41:12,267 --> 01:41:15,987
Speaker 2: than previous seasons. I feels like yes, there's two New

1982
01:41:16,067 --> 01:41:18,867
Speaker 2: Zealand teams that's played obviously a huge role in it,

1983
01:41:19,027 --> 01:41:23,627
Speaker 2: so the interest levels have been elevated. I know I'm

1984
01:41:23,667 --> 01:41:26,707
Speaker 2: broadcasting out of Aucklinton. Of course Auckland FC is going

1985
01:41:26,787 --> 01:41:29,547
Speaker 2: to create a number of fans, but I suspect they'll

1986
01:41:29,587 --> 01:41:32,107
Speaker 2: get a fairly old, decent crowd again this afternoon for

1987
01:41:32,187 --> 01:41:35,827
Speaker 2: Newcastle and I know next week very very hard to

1988
01:41:36,067 --> 01:41:40,547
Speaker 2: come by tickets for the derby match against the Phoenix.

1989
01:41:41,667 --> 01:41:46,227
Speaker 2: Already that built up is massive for that game. Text

1990
01:41:46,267 --> 01:41:47,867
Speaker 2: lines open nine two, nine to two if you've got

1991
01:41:47,907 --> 01:41:50,547
Speaker 2: a thought on that and Auckland FC what kind of

1992
01:41:50,547 --> 01:41:53,627
Speaker 2: impact they've made on the A League this season? Chris

1993
01:41:53,787 --> 01:41:55,827
Speaker 2: with this text wait for the derby next week. Alliott

1994
01:41:55,867 --> 01:41:59,347
Speaker 2: virtually sold out a week before. You will love it well,

1995
01:41:59,347 --> 01:42:02,067
Speaker 2: it's sold out. I'd love to get there, But tickets

1996
01:42:02,147 --> 01:42:05,467
Speaker 2: like Hen's Teeth. Tickets like Hen's Teeth, which is magnificent.

1997
01:42:05,587 --> 01:42:08,467
Speaker 2: Think of that football, domestic football game in New Zealand

1998
01:42:09,267 --> 01:42:11,227
Speaker 2: outside of a playoff, and know the Phoenix have done

1999
01:42:11,507 --> 01:42:14,387
Speaker 2: pretty well to sell big tickets last season of cause

2000
01:42:14,427 --> 01:42:18,867
Speaker 2: for some knockout fixtures, but a regular season game a

2001
01:42:18,987 --> 01:42:23,627
Speaker 2: derby outstanding. I think the scene's gonna be magnificent at

2002
01:42:23,627 --> 01:42:26,867
Speaker 2: Mount Smart Stadium next week. Very much looking forward to

2003
01:42:26,987 --> 01:42:29,467
Speaker 2: that Max matter on the line in a moment. I'm

2004
01:42:29,747 --> 01:42:34,187
Speaker 2: just looking though. The black Caps have lost a wickets,

2005
01:42:35,067 --> 01:42:40,267
Speaker 2: Tom Latham caught in the slips for one and New

2006
01:42:40,387 --> 01:42:43,787
Speaker 2: Zealand now three for one. There are one hundred and

2007
01:42:44,307 --> 01:42:47,467
Speaker 2: forty eight runs behind regulation, catch in the slip cordon

2008
01:42:48,187 --> 01:42:52,027
Speaker 2: and the black Caps lose their opener, and the stats

2009
01:42:52,307 --> 01:42:55,947
Speaker 2: are quite staggering around Latham and Conway in terms of

2010
01:42:55,947 --> 01:42:59,187
Speaker 2: their opening partnerships in recent times, they don't have it

2011
01:42:59,267 --> 01:43:01,987
Speaker 2: in front of me, but virtually non existent the partnership

2012
01:43:02,027 --> 01:43:04,707
Speaker 2: opening partnership for the black Caps. More questions. The black

2013
01:43:04,747 --> 01:43:09,147
Speaker 2: Caps skipper goes early twenty nine after on news talks.

2014
01:43:09,187 --> 01:43:12,067
Speaker 2: Z b Let's head into Auckland FC camp. One of

2015
01:43:12,107 --> 01:43:16,387
Speaker 2: the forwards, Max Matter, joining the program as they count

2016
01:43:16,467 --> 01:43:19,107
Speaker 2: down to kick off five o'clock this afternoon in the

2017
01:43:19,347 --> 01:43:22,067
Speaker 2: latest game in the eight League against Newcastle Jets five

2018
01:43:22,067 --> 01:43:24,387
Speaker 2: o'clock at Mount Smart Stadium, Max thinks, so much of

2019
01:43:24,507 --> 01:43:28,907
Speaker 2: your time on news Talk ZB No problem it well, Max,

2020
01:43:28,987 --> 01:43:32,627
Speaker 2: four games, four wins. As an a league club starting

2021
01:43:32,667 --> 01:43:35,947
Speaker 2: from scratch, you couldn't have dreamed for a better start,

2022
01:43:35,987 --> 01:43:38,307
Speaker 2: could you. You must be an absolute dream land as

2023
01:43:38,307 --> 01:43:38,667
Speaker 2: a club.

2024
01:43:39,707 --> 01:43:44,147
Speaker 20: Yeah, exactly. It's it's a dream start for us and

2025
01:43:44,667 --> 01:43:48,867
Speaker 20: we've put a lot of hard work into making it possible.

2026
01:43:50,227 --> 01:43:52,507
Speaker 20: We're looking to try and get another three points and

2027
01:43:52,707 --> 01:43:55,187
Speaker 20: we're going to do whatever it tastes to make it happen.

2028
01:43:55,507 --> 01:43:57,747
Speaker 2: What's your sense of why things have been able to

2029
01:43:57,827 --> 01:43:59,187
Speaker 2: click so early for this team.

2030
01:44:03,147 --> 01:44:06,267
Speaker 20: I think it's a lot about our togetherness. We have

2031
01:44:06,427 --> 01:44:10,867
Speaker 20: a tight knit group, not just players and staff, but

2032
01:44:12,027 --> 01:44:14,867
Speaker 20: even the people in the office, so they're always in

2033
01:44:14,947 --> 01:44:19,147
Speaker 20: and around us, a great support system. It's a very

2034
01:44:19,427 --> 01:44:24,147
Speaker 20: free flying building. There's people from all sorts of all

2035
01:44:24,267 --> 01:44:28,267
Speaker 20: parts of the world, you know, and if we're really

2036
01:44:28,347 --> 01:44:31,347
Speaker 20: embracing the Kiwi culture and the togetherness of it. We're all,

2037
01:44:32,107 --> 01:44:33,947
Speaker 20: you know, on the same page, We're all trying to

2038
01:44:33,987 --> 01:44:38,107
Speaker 20: achieve the same thing. So I think having that sort

2039
01:44:38,147 --> 01:44:42,267
Speaker 20: of connection with so many different people is definitely a

2040
01:44:42,347 --> 01:44:45,787
Speaker 20: massive part of our late success.

2041
01:44:46,827 --> 01:44:48,747
Speaker 2: You hold the record as a club for most wins

2042
01:44:48,827 --> 01:44:51,067
Speaker 2: buying new a league club. Do you talk about those

2043
01:44:51,107 --> 01:44:54,187
Speaker 2: sort of records around that basic that you're talking about

2044
01:44:54,227 --> 01:44:56,907
Speaker 2: there that sort of spare on you're excited on a

2045
01:44:56,947 --> 01:44:59,387
Speaker 2: Monday morning coming back in and knowing that you've got

2046
01:44:59,427 --> 01:45:00,387
Speaker 2: that record in the books.

2047
01:45:02,387 --> 01:45:05,187
Speaker 20: Yeah, I wouldn't say it's something that we have on

2048
01:45:05,307 --> 01:45:08,387
Speaker 20: the front of our mind. We just take it one

2049
01:45:08,507 --> 01:45:11,147
Speaker 20: game at a time. Like you know, we want to

2050
01:45:11,187 --> 01:45:14,387
Speaker 20: win every game that we're playing. Even if it's a

2051
01:45:15,467 --> 01:45:17,907
Speaker 20: non competition game, we still want to win. So I

2052
01:45:18,027 --> 01:45:24,907
Speaker 20: think having that winning mentality definitely helps keep your standards high,

2053
01:45:25,107 --> 01:45:28,147
Speaker 20: because can be you know, everyone can switch up at

2054
01:45:28,347 --> 01:45:31,067
Speaker 20: some point. But I think we have a lot of

2055
01:45:31,147 --> 01:45:34,827
Speaker 20: great competitors in the building who are always pushing each

2056
01:45:34,867 --> 01:45:37,307
Speaker 20: other to try and bring the best out of each other.

2057
01:45:37,507 --> 01:45:40,147
Speaker 20: But that's definitely a massive thing for us. And then

2058
01:45:40,627 --> 01:45:44,467
Speaker 20: obviously as times gone on and games have come by,

2059
01:45:44,627 --> 01:45:50,587
Speaker 20: we've realized that we've broken a record or two. So yeah, hopefully,

2060
01:45:51,227 --> 01:45:52,427
Speaker 20: hopefully we keep doing that.

2061
01:45:52,987 --> 01:45:55,227
Speaker 2: I think the defense, you know, moving into attack, it

2062
01:45:55,307 --> 01:45:58,307
Speaker 2: seems really really seamless, and that probably feeds into the

2063
01:45:58,307 --> 01:46:00,267
Speaker 2: point you're making about everyone from the team being on

2064
01:46:00,387 --> 01:46:04,187
Speaker 2: the same page. Do you get a sense of that, Yeah,

2065
01:46:04,267 --> 01:46:04,947
Speaker 2: most definitely.

2066
01:46:05,227 --> 01:46:05,787
Speaker 17: I think.

2067
01:46:07,987 --> 01:46:12,467
Speaker 20: The art of defending has been displayed quite well, especially

2068
01:46:12,627 --> 01:46:17,227
Speaker 20: from us recently. We haven't considered a goal. We hoped

2069
01:46:17,227 --> 01:46:22,107
Speaker 20: to continue that, but I think it just comes down

2070
01:46:22,187 --> 01:46:25,987
Speaker 20: to organization. People willing to put their body on the

2071
01:46:26,067 --> 01:46:28,947
Speaker 20: line to block the shelf, block a crafts, make tackle,

2072
01:46:29,747 --> 01:46:32,667
Speaker 20: all these sorts of things, and you know that kind

2073
01:46:32,707 --> 01:46:36,747
Speaker 20: of those kind of characteristics and energy do rub off

2074
01:46:36,907 --> 01:46:40,987
Speaker 20: on us as well as attackers, fees right throughout the team.

2075
01:46:41,547 --> 01:46:44,587
Speaker 2: And speaking of feeding off energy, you've tapped into something

2076
01:46:44,627 --> 01:46:47,147
Speaker 2: from a fan perspective as well. I know this afternoon

2077
01:46:47,147 --> 01:46:50,027
Speaker 2: against Newcastle's heading to a decent crowd. Next week's derby

2078
01:46:50,507 --> 01:46:52,947
Speaker 2: virtually sold out already. It must be great, you know,

2079
01:46:52,987 --> 01:46:55,107
Speaker 2: looking up to the stands and going early on in

2080
01:46:55,187 --> 01:46:58,667
Speaker 2: this club's history, we've tapped into something. We've found a

2081
01:46:58,747 --> 01:47:00,387
Speaker 2: real footballing community in Auckland.

2082
01:47:01,587 --> 01:47:06,347
Speaker 20: Yeah, definitely, And look that's one thing that we're sot

2083
01:47:06,627 --> 01:47:10,587
Speaker 20: fall for. Our marketing team has done an exceptional job

2084
01:47:11,547 --> 01:47:14,387
Speaker 20: of making sure every man and his dog hears about

2085
01:47:14,427 --> 01:47:17,387
Speaker 20: when Auckland FC is going to take the field. We

2086
01:47:17,507 --> 01:47:21,187
Speaker 20: can only be thankful and grateful for that. And you know,

2087
01:47:21,347 --> 01:47:24,307
Speaker 20: our job is on the pitch and trying to do

2088
01:47:24,387 --> 01:47:25,027
Speaker 20: the business there.

2089
01:47:25,627 --> 01:47:27,787
Speaker 2: How do you feel about your own you start to

2090
01:47:27,827 --> 01:47:30,027
Speaker 2: the season, I think you've only had nine minutes or so.

2091
01:47:30,147 --> 01:47:33,427
Speaker 2: I know you have had an injury as well. How

2092
01:47:33,467 --> 01:47:34,827
Speaker 2: do you feel sort of on the pitch that you're

2093
01:47:34,827 --> 01:47:36,187
Speaker 2: settling into to Auckland DC.

2094
01:47:38,227 --> 01:47:41,627
Speaker 20: I mean, I would like to have have had more minutes,

2095
01:47:41,747 --> 01:47:43,827
Speaker 20: but it is what it is, you know, it's part

2096
01:47:43,867 --> 01:47:47,867
Speaker 20: of the game. Sometimes things like injury or selection don't

2097
01:47:47,907 --> 01:47:48,387
Speaker 20: go your way.

2098
01:47:48,547 --> 01:47:51,187
Speaker 12: So that's that's just what it is.

2099
01:47:51,307 --> 01:47:56,107
Speaker 20: That's what happens in football. So training hard and just

2100
01:47:56,387 --> 01:47:58,547
Speaker 20: trying to do everything that I can to make sure

2101
01:47:58,587 --> 01:48:01,787
Speaker 20: that I'm ready when I'm caught upon next.

2102
01:48:02,867 --> 01:48:04,627
Speaker 2: How how do you wait for those opportunities? And know

2103
01:48:04,707 --> 01:48:06,747
Speaker 2: you've played at a number of different clubs, and some

2104
01:48:06,867 --> 01:48:09,027
Speaker 2: clubs obviously you play more than others. Is it just

2105
01:48:09,387 --> 01:48:11,787
Speaker 2: just what comes with the territory that you just have

2106
01:48:11,867 --> 01:48:14,267
Speaker 2: to wait for your opportunity and be prepared to take

2107
01:48:14,347 --> 01:48:14,987
Speaker 2: it when it comes.

2108
01:48:16,427 --> 01:48:19,427
Speaker 20: Yeah, exactly, that's exactly what it is. You know that

2109
01:48:19,867 --> 01:48:23,547
Speaker 20: we don't live in a perfect world. Nobody does, so yeah,

2110
01:48:23,627 --> 01:48:26,187
Speaker 20: when you're in a position like this, that's all you

2111
01:48:26,267 --> 01:48:29,787
Speaker 20: can do is give it your all every day. I mean,

2112
01:48:29,867 --> 01:48:32,387
Speaker 20: we all want to be on the pitch and plane

2113
01:48:33,027 --> 01:48:35,187
Speaker 20: and only so many of us can be on the

2114
01:48:35,267 --> 01:48:38,787
Speaker 20: pitch and plane. So just trying to stay ready, keeps

2115
01:48:38,827 --> 01:48:42,867
Speaker 20: down to high and not get complacent, and yeah, just

2116
01:48:42,987 --> 01:48:45,867
Speaker 20: hoping that when the chance comes, you deliver.

2117
01:48:46,627 --> 01:48:49,067
Speaker 2: Talk to me about the decision to come to Auckland, Max.

2118
01:48:49,387 --> 01:48:52,147
Speaker 2: You're an Auckland are yourself or you're on loan currently

2119
01:48:52,227 --> 01:48:55,667
Speaker 2: from Shrewsbury in England at the moment? Was it an

2120
01:48:55,747 --> 01:48:58,267
Speaker 2: easy decision to come back and be part of this

2121
01:48:58,427 --> 01:48:59,907
Speaker 2: launch season for Auckland f C.

2122
01:49:01,867 --> 01:49:06,347
Speaker 20: Yeah, I'm from Auckland, so it was definitely very excited

2123
01:49:06,667 --> 01:49:10,667
Speaker 20: for me when I heard about the early discussions of

2124
01:49:10,747 --> 01:49:15,907
Speaker 20: the club possibly becoming a thing. So for it to

2125
01:49:15,987 --> 01:49:20,347
Speaker 20: actually go ahead and happen, I'm very happy. Obviously, I'm

2126
01:49:20,347 --> 01:49:24,387
Speaker 20: from Auckland, my family's here, I've grown up most of

2127
01:49:24,427 --> 01:49:26,747
Speaker 20: my life here, so it's nice to be back and

2128
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Speaker 20: even better to be a part of the club's first season.

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01:49:33,347 --> 01:49:35,507
Speaker 2: I know you played a bit for the Phoenix reserves.

2130
01:49:35,987 --> 01:49:37,347
Speaker 2: Was it always at the back of your mind that

2131
01:49:37,427 --> 01:49:40,347
Speaker 2: you hope there'd be an Auckland A League club come

2132
01:49:40,347 --> 01:49:41,107
Speaker 2: along at some point?

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01:49:43,107 --> 01:49:45,427
Speaker 20: It wasn't really something that I thought too much about,

2134
01:49:45,587 --> 01:49:49,587
Speaker 20: to be fair, but yeah, when I did hear that

2135
01:49:49,947 --> 01:49:53,587
Speaker 20: it was going to be possible, I was excited and

2136
01:49:53,787 --> 01:49:56,067
Speaker 20: I definitely wanted to be a part of it at

2137
01:49:56,107 --> 01:49:59,627
Speaker 20: some point, and thankfully it's happened this season.

2138
01:50:00,707 --> 01:50:03,027
Speaker 2: Just the A League style, how does it differ to

2139
01:50:03,307 --> 01:50:06,827
Speaker 2: the football that you've played in the UK and in Ireland?

2140
01:50:06,907 --> 01:50:10,267
Speaker 2: Is there a different different style between the competitions that

2141
01:50:10,347 --> 01:50:11,667
Speaker 2: you've you've noticed to this point.

2142
01:50:13,547 --> 01:50:14,387
Speaker 12: Yeah, definitely.

2143
01:50:15,347 --> 01:50:19,627
Speaker 20: Climate's a massive factor. We've played through the same time

2144
01:50:19,667 --> 01:50:21,867
Speaker 20: of the year, but on the other side of the

2145
01:50:21,907 --> 01:50:25,587
Speaker 20: world it's currently freezing cold, so I don't remember the

2146
01:50:25,707 --> 01:50:29,627
Speaker 20: last time I played this season and in warm weather,

2147
01:50:29,947 --> 01:50:35,267
Speaker 20: so that definitely has a big difference, and I guess yeah,

2148
01:50:35,267 --> 01:50:36,947
Speaker 20: the styles are different.

2149
01:50:39,227 --> 01:50:39,747
Speaker 15: A leagues.

2150
01:50:40,427 --> 01:50:45,067
Speaker 20: It's a very transitional league. There's a lot of running involved,

2151
01:50:46,307 --> 01:50:50,027
Speaker 20: but I'm really enjoying it so far, and it's a

2152
01:50:50,107 --> 01:50:52,787
Speaker 20: long season, so got many more games to come.

2153
01:50:52,987 --> 01:50:56,547
Speaker 2: Indeed, and this afternoon against the Newcastle Jets, what woure

2154
01:50:56,587 --> 01:50:59,507
Speaker 2: your expectations of what they'll bring to this game.

2155
01:51:01,547 --> 01:51:06,787
Speaker 20: Newcastle is a good team. We won't underestimate them. We've

2156
01:51:06,987 --> 01:51:10,787
Speaker 20: paid them in the preseason already this year, so we

2157
01:51:10,987 --> 01:51:15,027
Speaker 20: have a rough idea of what to expect. But look,

2158
01:51:15,107 --> 01:51:20,147
Speaker 20: we know they're very capable of causing threats to us,

2159
01:51:20,347 --> 01:51:24,627
Speaker 20: especially in the attack, so we've done a bit of

2160
01:51:24,707 --> 01:51:26,947
Speaker 20: video on them and trying to make sure that we

2161
01:51:27,027 --> 01:51:30,827
Speaker 20: can nullify all their weapons and hopefully hit the back

2162
01:51:30,867 --> 01:51:32,747
Speaker 20: of the net a few times as well.

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01:51:33,187 --> 01:51:33,307
Speaker 6: Well.

2164
01:51:33,347 --> 01:51:34,827
Speaker 2: Wish you the best of luck, Max, So I hope

2165
01:51:34,867 --> 01:51:36,747
Speaker 2: you get some time on the park this afternoon. I

2166
01:51:36,747 --> 01:51:39,467
Speaker 2: hope that Auckland FC make it five straight to us

2167
01:51:39,507 --> 01:51:41,307
Speaker 2: start the campaign. Thank you very much for your time

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01:51:41,387 --> 01:51:44,147
Speaker 2: with us on news Talk ZB awesome.

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01:51:44,187 --> 01:51:44,867
Speaker 20: Thank you very much.

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01:51:45,067 --> 01:51:47,987
Speaker 2: Thank you, Max, appreciate your time. Max matter form from

2171
01:51:48,187 --> 01:51:52,427
Speaker 2: the Auckland FCSI five o'clock afternoon against the Newcastle Jets

2172
01:51:52,547 --> 01:51:55,587
Speaker 2: is a shoot for five straight wins to start the

2173
01:51:55,667 --> 01:51:59,027
Speaker 2: season in four already on the board. If they can

2174
01:51:59,067 --> 01:52:01,507
Speaker 2: add a fifth this afternoon. There's a long way to go.

2175
01:52:01,627 --> 01:52:04,107
Speaker 2: How many I think twenty nine games you roughly play

2176
01:52:04,827 --> 01:52:09,507
Speaker 2: in the season of the Aly long way to go.

2177
01:52:10,507 --> 01:52:14,187
Speaker 2: But they've made an incredible start, haven't they. AUCKLANDFC. Looking

2178
01:52:14,227 --> 01:52:16,067
Speaker 2: forward to that one this afternoon, ver much looking forward

2179
01:52:16,107 --> 01:52:21,627
Speaker 2: to watching the derby next weekend as well. Textadent nine

2180
01:52:21,747 --> 01:52:25,067
Speaker 2: two nine two, Hi, Aliot, do you think Australia can

2181
01:52:25,147 --> 01:52:29,267
Speaker 2: beat Ireland tomorrow in the Union four o'clock? I think

2182
01:52:29,307 --> 01:52:32,027
Speaker 2: the game is looking forward to seeing that. On the

2183
01:52:32,107 --> 01:52:36,987
Speaker 2: basis of last week in Australia's game against Scotland, probably not.

2184
01:52:37,347 --> 01:52:39,787
Speaker 2: So I was disappointed a little bit by the Wallabies

2185
01:52:40,387 --> 01:52:42,107
Speaker 2: in that game. I thought there were real chance heating

2186
01:52:42,147 --> 01:52:45,267
Speaker 2: into it. Scotland controlled that beautifully. I thought they just

2187
01:52:45,387 --> 01:52:48,947
Speaker 2: built into the game really really nicely took their opportunities

2188
01:52:48,987 --> 01:52:52,347
Speaker 2: when it counted. Australia perhaps just lacking a little bit

2189
01:52:52,387 --> 01:52:55,987
Speaker 2: of firepower I thought on attack and when they were

2190
01:52:56,027 --> 01:53:00,467
Speaker 2: in Scottish territory to further their claims. So on the

2191
01:53:00,507 --> 01:53:03,707
Speaker 2: basis of last week, probably not. But if they play

2192
01:53:03,787 --> 01:53:06,987
Speaker 2: like they did against England, maybe tied in that defense

2193
01:53:07,307 --> 01:53:11,467
Speaker 2: a little bit, I think they can give the Irish

2194
01:53:11,467 --> 01:53:13,627
Speaker 2: a little bit of a scare. You remember it was

2195
01:53:13,667 --> 01:53:16,707
Speaker 2: two years ago, right at the end of the season,

2196
01:53:18,307 --> 01:53:23,627
Speaker 2: last day effectively of international rugby Australia Ireland. Same case

2197
01:53:23,667 --> 01:53:25,827
Speaker 2: in Dublin. It was actually Daver in his last game

2198
01:53:26,627 --> 01:53:28,587
Speaker 2: and they gave Ireland a heck of a scare. They

2199
01:53:28,627 --> 01:53:30,987
Speaker 2: didn't win the game in the end, but they were

2200
01:53:31,067 --> 01:53:32,667
Speaker 2: right in and I can't remember the full time score,

2201
01:53:32,707 --> 01:53:35,187
Speaker 2: but it was only a point or two in it.

2202
01:53:37,587 --> 01:53:39,947
Speaker 2: They lost that Dave and he gets sacked in the offseason.

2203
01:53:40,067 --> 01:53:43,907
Speaker 2: Eddie Jones takes over and sends Australian rugby back a

2204
01:53:43,987 --> 01:53:47,387
Speaker 2: few years. What I will think, well, what I will

2205
01:53:47,427 --> 01:53:52,507
Speaker 2: say though, is Joe Schmidt in charge of an Australian team.

2206
01:53:53,947 --> 01:53:58,227
Speaker 2: He'll know a lot of those Irish players still. They've

2207
01:53:58,347 --> 01:54:00,707
Speaker 2: kept a lot of continuity over the last five years

2208
01:54:00,747 --> 01:54:02,947
Speaker 2: since Joe Schmutt left. A lot of those players are

2209
01:54:03,027 --> 01:54:06,667
Speaker 2: still there from when Joe Schmitt was there. He is

2210
01:54:06,707 --> 01:54:08,387
Speaker 2: the kind of coach that can come up with game

2211
01:54:08,507 --> 01:54:14,827
Speaker 2: plans to annoy and frustrate opposition teams and know where

2212
01:54:14,827 --> 01:54:17,267
Speaker 2: their weaknesses are. He's probably the best of the world

2213
01:54:17,307 --> 01:54:21,987
Speaker 2: in terms of a game plan coach. And I'm sure

2214
01:54:22,027 --> 01:54:25,707
Speaker 2: he's got something up a sleeve for that game tomorrow

2215
01:54:25,787 --> 01:54:29,827
Speaker 2: morning ten pass for New Zealand time kickoff. Incidentally as well,

2216
01:54:29,987 --> 01:54:32,867
Speaker 2: we'll have a bit of fun tomorrow afternoon, bit of

2217
01:54:32,907 --> 01:54:37,867
Speaker 2: a panel Northern Hemisphere, Southern Hemisphere. James Burrow is going

2218
01:54:37,907 --> 01:54:41,587
Speaker 2: to join us out of the north, Krusty Doran from

2219
01:54:41,627 --> 01:54:43,987
Speaker 2: the South, and we'll review the year that has been

2220
01:54:44,067 --> 01:54:45,947
Speaker 2: in rugby and who lies on top of the power

2221
01:54:45,987 --> 01:54:50,907
Speaker 2: base as the twenty twenty four rugby season comes to

2222
01:54:51,547 --> 01:54:56,147
Speaker 2: a close. Looking forward to that overnight tonight. Updating the cricket.

2223
01:54:56,227 --> 01:54:59,827
Speaker 2: The black Caps fifteen for one. Tom Latham the man

2224
01:54:59,907 --> 01:55:04,907
Speaker 2: outs he was dismissed for just the solitary run off

2225
01:55:04,947 --> 01:55:08,267
Speaker 2: the bowling of Chris Wokes by Harry Brook and the

2226
01:55:08,347 --> 01:55:10,667
Speaker 2: Black Cap is now fifteen for one. Devin Conway is

2227
01:55:10,867 --> 01:55:14,627
Speaker 2: on six and Came Williamson on seven. One hundred and

2228
01:55:14,947 --> 01:55:19,907
Speaker 2: thirty six runs in areas at the moments suns out

2229
01:55:19,947 --> 01:55:23,587
Speaker 2: in christ Church, good conditions for batting. The black Caps

2230
01:55:23,867 --> 01:55:27,267
Speaker 2: needing to chip away at this deficit over the coming

2231
01:55:27,507 --> 01:55:29,987
Speaker 2: session and half nineteen away from three.

2232
01:55:30,347 --> 01:55:33,667
Speaker 1: On News Talk zeb the biggest seams in sport are

2233
01:55:33,787 --> 01:55:38,587
Speaker 1: on weekend sport with GJ Gunners, New Zealand's most trusted

2234
01:55:38,627 --> 01:55:39,147
Speaker 1: O builder.

2235
01:55:39,267 --> 01:55:43,307
Speaker 2: News Talks B sixteen away from three on News Talks,

2236
01:55:43,667 --> 01:55:46,187
Speaker 2: Let's head back to Hagley Oval, New Zealand at the

2237
01:55:46,267 --> 01:55:50,427
Speaker 2: batting increase and now in the their second innings, responding

2238
01:55:50,507 --> 01:55:54,827
Speaker 2: to England's one hundred and fifty one odd lead. Andrew Ordison,

2239
01:55:54,867 --> 01:55:57,787
Speaker 2: our man at Hagley Oval afternoon again orders.

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01:55:58,947 --> 01:56:02,707
Speaker 17: Greeting's Elliott Yeah, New Zealand. Fiftie was to say Williamson.

2241
01:56:02,787 --> 01:56:06,547
Speaker 17: On seven Conway six we saw Tom Latham nicking up

2242
01:56:07,387 --> 01:56:11,147
Speaker 17: just early to harry Brook with the from Chris Woites,

2243
01:56:11,627 --> 01:56:15,867
Speaker 17: so completing a grim recent time for tommycue having dropped

2244
01:56:15,867 --> 01:56:19,427
Speaker 17: those street etches during New Zealand during England and England

2245
01:56:19,467 --> 01:56:21,667
Speaker 17: getting to four hundred and ninety nine, the lead of

2246
01:56:21,667 --> 01:56:24,347
Speaker 17: one hundred and fifty one, New Zealand whittling it away.

2247
01:56:24,427 --> 01:56:26,707
Speaker 17: So it's a lead of one hundred and thirty six

2248
01:56:27,267 --> 01:56:30,747
Speaker 17: and now is New Zealand keep making inroads across the

2249
01:56:30,787 --> 01:56:32,187
Speaker 17: afternoon presumably.

2250
01:56:32,227 --> 01:56:36,347
Speaker 2: Indeed the opening partnership has become in quite troublesome, isn't it.

2251
01:56:36,867 --> 01:56:39,867
Speaker 2: One player will seemingly kick on the other will be

2252
01:56:39,947 --> 01:56:44,147
Speaker 2: dismissed in the first overall too, it's later and Conway

2253
01:56:44,267 --> 01:56:46,107
Speaker 2: just aren't jelling at the moment as a partnership.

2254
01:56:46,907 --> 01:56:48,867
Speaker 17: No, that's true, and I think I saw some staggering

2255
01:56:48,907 --> 01:56:51,427
Speaker 17: statistico there was an average of eighteen of late over

2256
01:56:51,507 --> 01:56:55,267
Speaker 17: some period. Anyway, it's not working at the present time

2257
01:56:55,347 --> 01:56:57,347
Speaker 17: and it's just a case of where one can go

2258
01:56:57,467 --> 01:57:00,507
Speaker 17: on from here, and in this case will be Conway

2259
01:57:00,827 --> 01:57:03,467
Speaker 17: having got through the six so far after getting out

2260
01:57:03,867 --> 01:57:06,787
Speaker 17: chiefly caught in bold for two in the first so

2261
01:57:06,907 --> 01:57:08,547
Speaker 17: I mean later be able to go on to forty

2262
01:57:08,587 --> 01:57:10,747
Speaker 17: seven and that first things and what was an innings

2263
01:57:10,787 --> 01:57:15,387
Speaker 17: of positive intent, but unable to replicate that today. So yeah,

2264
01:57:15,427 --> 01:57:18,067
Speaker 17: England putting the pressure on on this the day. But

2265
01:57:18,427 --> 01:57:20,947
Speaker 17: the pitch now you know, it should be slattening out

2266
01:57:21,107 --> 01:57:22,787
Speaker 17: on looks of things and things are to the easy

2267
01:57:22,827 --> 01:57:24,707
Speaker 17: to bet on the way England were able to do so,

2268
01:57:24,787 --> 01:57:27,307
Speaker 17: but it's just psychological barrier for New's end I think,

2269
01:57:27,587 --> 01:57:30,267
Speaker 17: to be able to at least whittle down this advantage

2270
01:57:30,307 --> 01:57:30,787
Speaker 17: that got to.

2271
01:57:30,827 --> 01:57:33,547
Speaker 2: Start with soon as we last settled as well, obviously

2272
01:57:33,667 --> 01:57:36,627
Speaker 2: mopping up the tail, but it took a heavy mop

2273
01:57:36,707 --> 01:57:40,987
Speaker 2: to get the towel mopped up. Wasn't easy for the

2274
01:57:41,027 --> 01:57:41,747
Speaker 2: black Cats, was it.

2275
01:57:42,787 --> 01:57:45,507
Speaker 17: Yeah, that's right, that's that sort of require the super

2276
01:57:45,587 --> 01:57:49,267
Speaker 17: sopper to do that at times going around the uct

2277
01:57:49,467 --> 01:57:53,507
Speaker 17: from days of yore, it was a difficult I mean

2278
01:57:53,867 --> 01:57:57,027
Speaker 17: Ben Stokes getting to eighty in the ends, but the

2279
01:57:57,107 --> 01:57:59,507
Speaker 17: rest of ye act until I think got through as well.

2280
01:57:59,587 --> 01:58:01,707
Speaker 17: He was able to get a you know, put together

2281
01:58:01,787 --> 01:58:03,747
Speaker 17: forty eight there. So it was a bit of an

2282
01:58:03,787 --> 01:58:05,947
Speaker 17: effort and just adding to those those crucial ones at

2283
01:58:05,987 --> 01:58:07,867
Speaker 17: least they hell them to under five hundred I suppose

2284
01:58:08,107 --> 01:58:11,587
Speaker 17: as a barrier might be. But England, Yeah, it took

2285
01:58:11,667 --> 01:58:14,507
Speaker 17: some wheedling out that's for sure, before they were able

2286
01:58:14,547 --> 01:58:17,187
Speaker 17: to get through. It wasn't helped, I mean eight dropped

2287
01:58:17,267 --> 01:58:20,107
Speaker 17: catches over the course of the innings by the New

2288
01:58:20,187 --> 01:58:24,227
Speaker 17: Zealand fielders. It just was you know, calamity after calamity

2289
01:58:24,347 --> 01:58:26,867
Speaker 17: really and sitting in the area that they need to

2290
01:58:26,947 --> 01:58:30,787
Speaker 17: work on in some way before we head to Wellington Hamilton.

2291
01:58:31,027 --> 01:58:34,787
Speaker 2: Indeed, you mentioned the pitch conditions before overhead. Does it

2292
01:58:34,867 --> 01:58:35,467
Speaker 2: looking all right?

2293
01:58:36,427 --> 01:58:39,307
Speaker 17: Yeah, it's fighting up here. Actually it was overcast for

2294
01:58:39,587 --> 01:58:41,907
Speaker 17: most of the day of most of the morning et cetera.

2295
01:58:42,027 --> 01:58:45,387
Speaker 17: And it's just started to burn off a bit with

2296
01:58:45,467 --> 01:58:47,427
Speaker 17: the wind coming through, coming through from the east at

2297
01:58:47,467 --> 01:58:49,867
Speaker 17: the moment, from the field of things out here around

2298
01:58:49,907 --> 01:58:54,147
Speaker 17: the ground. And yeah, the pitch flattening as I say, so,

2299
01:58:54,227 --> 01:58:56,267
Speaker 17: it should be right for batting now, right in the

2300
01:58:56,267 --> 01:58:58,467
Speaker 17: middle of the Test match here. We know how good

2301
01:58:58,507 --> 01:59:02,547
Speaker 17: it can at Hagley, and we Williamson particular has enjoyed

2302
01:59:02,787 --> 01:59:06,547
Speaker 17: batting here over the years. I just think that chess

2303
01:59:06,707 --> 01:59:09,227
Speaker 17: is able to secure against Sri Lanka. That's so long

2304
01:59:09,307 --> 01:59:13,627
Speaker 17: ago and we'll see how that plays out, of course,

2305
01:59:13,707 --> 01:59:15,907
Speaker 17: across across the game at the moment. And Williamson currently

2306
01:59:16,027 --> 01:59:18,867
Speaker 17: eight as part of the sixteenth one Conway six.

2307
01:59:19,907 --> 01:59:23,227
Speaker 2: Indeed and orders. When we last spoke, I requested a

2308
01:59:23,267 --> 01:59:25,267
Speaker 2: review of the lunch next time we caught up. So

2309
01:59:25,787 --> 01:59:28,627
Speaker 2: were you well fed and watered at the lunch break?

2310
01:59:29,467 --> 01:59:34,707
Speaker 17: Yeah, yeah, that's right. Some short horned beef, I guess

2311
01:59:35,147 --> 01:59:38,547
Speaker 17: duel the crown of that lunch, some broad beans, but

2312
01:59:38,627 --> 01:59:41,707
Speaker 17: of broccoli or some decent spuds, et cetera. But yeah,

2313
01:59:41,787 --> 01:59:45,827
Speaker 17: thoroughly enjoying that and piling it on to you. Be

2314
01:59:45,867 --> 01:59:47,867
Speaker 17: able to get through the afternoon, for sure.

2315
01:59:48,187 --> 01:59:50,827
Speaker 2: It's only does the State US compliments to the Heckley

2316
01:59:50,907 --> 01:59:53,667
Speaker 2: Oval cattering stuff. Thank you very much, Orders, look forward

2317
01:59:53,667 --> 01:59:56,307
Speaker 2: to our catching up tomorrow. I appreciate your time. Good

2318
01:59:57,147 --> 02:00:00,387
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Andrew Ordison joining us from Hagley Oval.

2319
02:00:00,427 --> 02:00:03,147
Speaker 2: As the Test March is on the black Cat sixteen

2320
02:00:03,267 --> 02:00:05,827
Speaker 2: for one, trailing by one hundred and thirty five came

2321
02:00:05,867 --> 02:00:08,547
Speaker 2: Williamson not out eight Devin Conway on Sex. That's stat

2322
02:00:08,627 --> 02:00:10,907
Speaker 2: as well. That Orders mentioned there just pulled it up.

2323
02:00:10,947 --> 02:00:15,627
Speaker 2: It was on Dylan Cleavers the Bounce Substack website read

2324
02:00:15,707 --> 02:00:17,147
Speaker 2: earlier in the week and that stood out to me

2325
02:00:17,347 --> 02:00:22,027
Speaker 2: as well. Combay and Latham, going back their last nineteen

2326
02:00:22,347 --> 02:00:27,187
Speaker 2: innings together have averaged seventeen zero point ninety five for

2327
02:00:27,307 --> 02:00:31,667
Speaker 2: the first wicket. That is horrifically bad. And that time

2328
02:00:31,707 --> 02:00:36,667
Speaker 2: they've compiled more zero partnerships three than they have over

2329
02:00:36,827 --> 02:00:42,987
Speaker 2: fifty two. Neither have had a Test ton in more

2330
02:00:43,027 --> 02:00:48,747
Speaker 2: than twenty five completed innings Conway twenty seven, Latham thirty two.

2331
02:00:50,227 --> 02:00:52,947
Speaker 2: Runs hard to come by as a partnership and indeed

2332
02:00:53,427 --> 02:00:56,267
Speaker 2: individually for both of those players, and again they didn't

2333
02:00:56,307 --> 02:00:59,667
Speaker 2: pass their average of recent times seventeen. This time they

2334
02:00:59,747 --> 02:01:03,267
Speaker 2: only made it to three worrying signs, but there's no

2335
02:01:03,547 --> 02:01:06,947
Speaker 2: obvious real replacement is there? Will Young, I might argue,

2336
02:01:06,987 --> 02:01:10,747
Speaker 2: but I'm not sure openings necessarily his bag, either at

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Speaker 2: first class or Test level. The black Caps are going

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Speaker 2: to have to build without their skippet at the moment.

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Speaker 2: As Williamson, it's a nice four twenty for one. We'll

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Speaker 2: take a break, come back wrap up weekend sport after.

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Speaker 1: This breaking down the hail Mary's and the epic fails

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Speaker 1: weekend sports news talk.

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Speaker 2: It is seven away from three on news Talk zb

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Speaker 2: the black Caps twenty one for one at the moment.

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Speaker 2: That almost does us for a weekend sport For another

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Speaker 2: weekend big show coming up tomorrow as well. As I

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Speaker 2: mentioned before, Ireland and Australia ten past four tomorrow morning,

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Speaker 2: the last international rugby match of the good chance to

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Speaker 2: get a perspective on the year that has been, so

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Speaker 2: we'll dig into that with our rugby panel tomorrow from

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Speaker 2: the North and from the South. More on the cricket

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Speaker 2: of course as well, and plenty of other sport on

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Speaker 2: the go overnight as well. The new seven season incidentally

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Speaker 2: starting in Dubai. Men's and women's are getting under way.

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Speaker 2: With their campaigns of course, the women coming off the

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Speaker 2: back of their gold medal winning performance, missing michaela Blyd

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Speaker 2: and a couple of others from the usual lineup, but

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Speaker 2: De Bully and Kaitlin Vacallor for the first time in

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Speaker 2: sevens that starts latest night in Dubai. The men real

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Speaker 2: sea change in their team as well, a lot of

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Speaker 2: players retiring moving on to Super Rugby mores as Leo

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Speaker 2: going to the NRL. So on the back of that

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Speaker 2: disappointing men's sevens campaign at the Olympics, a lot of

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Speaker 2: change there. So looking forward to seeing how the seven

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Speaker 2: sides go tonight on day one in Dubai and will continue.

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Speaker 2: Andrew Ortison be back with the cricket updates as well tomorrow,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure a big feature of the show. Crucial couple

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Speaker 2: of hours coming up for the black Caps as they

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Speaker 2: try and whittle away this England advantage in the first

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Speaker 2: cricket Test at Hagley. Overall, look forward to catching up

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Speaker 2: with orders tomorrow right as we do. To wrap up

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Speaker 2: the show, each and every Saturday and Sunday afternoon, one

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Speaker 2: of us will take the reins and give us a song,

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Speaker 2: a musical interlude if you will, and Andy, thank you

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Speaker 2: for producing this afternoon one. Have you dug into your

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Speaker 2: vinyl collection and dust it off for us. I'll be

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Speaker 2: stagger if this is on vinyl. Elliot, but Sean Kingston's

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Speaker 2: face drop the operative word there. Drop is a bit

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Speaker 2: of Sean Kingston commentary on the black Caps catching ability

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Speaker 2: and I see what you've done there, match. That's my

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Speaker 2: link to cricket here. Drop nicely, nicely drop, but the

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Speaker 2: drop is really what I'm targeting on that one. Well played, Andy,

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Speaker 2: black Caps twenty one for one. At least they can't

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Speaker 2: drop any catches when they're batting. I suppose eights in

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Speaker 2: the field, you know exactly. There's a positive there somewhere,

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Speaker 2: came Williams in the first Droppers and there you go.

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Speaker 2: There's another use of the work. He's here on Friday. Andy,

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Speaker 2: thank you very much for you. If it's this afternoon now,

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Speaker 2: Tim Beveridge in next and we're back midday tomorrow forward

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Speaker 2: your company then, don't you know?

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Speaker 8: We way now.

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Speaker 20: Our time.

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Speaker 1: Westay down make a way for more from weekends Sport

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Speaker 1: with Jason Fine. Listen live to news talks. It be

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Speaker 1: weekends from midday or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio,