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This week, I have 13 00:00:51,013 --> 00:00:53,973 Speaker 2: been to some time wasting in the absence of proper cricket. 14 00:00:54,533 --> 00:00:57,773 Speaker 2: A South Africa have won what now seems like a 15 00:00:57,813 --> 00:01:01,493 Speaker 2: one sided fifty other contest in Australia, even though South 16 00:01:01,533 --> 00:01:05,013 Speaker 2: Africa gave away four hundred and twenty one for three 17 00:01:05,293 --> 00:01:07,813 Speaker 2: in the last game, but the series was all over 18 00:01:07,853 --> 00:01:10,333 Speaker 2: by then. How did he on the A team on 19 00:01:10,413 --> 00:01:13,453 Speaker 2: its way to South Africa? A farewell to an I 20 00:01:13,533 --> 00:01:19,173 Speaker 2: was e legend. Who was or is our best wicket keeper? Well, 21 00:01:19,213 --> 00:01:21,853 Speaker 2: all that's on the front point. Yeah, I have to 22 00:01:21,853 --> 00:01:25,053 Speaker 2: own up. In the absence of some decent cricket to 23 00:01:25,133 --> 00:01:29,213 Speaker 2: watch or follow, I nearly fell over and watched some 24 00:01:29,253 --> 00:01:32,173 Speaker 2: one hundred on the TV, Jerry. But I've been reading 25 00:01:32,213 --> 00:01:36,413 Speaker 2: the social media cricket pages mainly, and I do understand 26 00:01:36,453 --> 00:01:40,373 Speaker 2: why people get frustrated at the anonymous plankers who share 27 00:01:40,413 --> 00:01:44,333 Speaker 2: their views without any justification. I know you wouldn't You'd 28 00:01:44,333 --> 00:01:46,093 Speaker 2: be reading the Financial Time, wouldn't you. 29 00:01:46,613 --> 00:01:50,053 Speaker 3: I always like to study those pages. I've got to 30 00:01:50,053 --> 00:01:53,093 Speaker 3: get my investments straight, as you well know, same as 31 00:01:53,133 --> 00:01:55,693 Speaker 3: you probably And I can tell you have been doing 32 00:01:55,693 --> 00:01:57,853 Speaker 3: the socials because you've lost a bit of hair. So 33 00:01:58,013 --> 00:02:03,013 Speaker 3: that's okay, now not that long. Well what sort of 34 00:02:03,053 --> 00:02:04,493 Speaker 3: socials have you been looking at? 35 00:02:04,893 --> 00:02:07,933 Speaker 2: Well, I've been. The interesting one has been the reaction 36 00:02:08,013 --> 00:02:11,413 Speaker 2: to them of Jacob Bethel as the T twenty captain 37 00:02:11,613 --> 00:02:15,173 Speaker 2: against Ireland. Now, some of the reaction I found has 38 00:02:15,173 --> 00:02:18,573 Speaker 2: been pretty reasonable. Is a fair point made by a 39 00:02:18,613 --> 00:02:20,813 Speaker 2: female journalist and a shave I don't know if you've 40 00:02:20,853 --> 00:02:25,373 Speaker 2: met her. She hopes for time for the BBC and 41 00:02:26,173 --> 00:02:29,293 Speaker 2: a website called The Cricket Paper, and she's obviously a 42 00:02:29,333 --> 00:02:35,253 Speaker 2: Somerset fan because she says that an all format player 43 00:02:35,253 --> 00:02:38,613 Speaker 2: that hasn't got one hundred in any of those formats 44 00:02:39,013 --> 00:02:42,013 Speaker 2: has been given the captaincy of the T twenties, while 45 00:02:42,173 --> 00:02:47,133 Speaker 2: James Rue of the same age has had eleven hundreds. 46 00:02:47,413 --> 00:02:50,133 Speaker 2: He's obviously a talent, but is this good for him 47 00:02:50,413 --> 00:02:53,533 Speaker 2: and what is the criteria for selection? Oh and by 48 00:02:53,573 --> 00:02:57,093 Speaker 2: the way, Rue is good on the golf course haha, 49 00:02:57,293 --> 00:03:01,013 Speaker 2: tongue and the cheek. But other respected commentators Mark Butcher 50 00:03:01,493 --> 00:03:04,773 Speaker 2: on the Wisden site says, well, he summed it up 51 00:03:05,373 --> 00:03:05,613 Speaker 2: like this. 52 00:03:06,053 --> 00:03:08,453 Speaker 4: It's one of those ones that's quite difficult to explain 53 00:03:08,813 --> 00:03:12,773 Speaker 4: even somebody like me, let alone people who probably pay 54 00:03:12,813 --> 00:03:17,573 Speaker 4: a passing interest into English cricket or England's cricket teams. Therefore, 55 00:03:17,573 --> 00:03:19,093 Speaker 4: I don't really know what to make of it. 56 00:03:19,093 --> 00:03:21,133 Speaker 5: I don't know whether it's a I think it's quite 57 00:03:21,173 --> 00:03:23,653 Speaker 5: a difficult thing to ask him to do, simply as 58 00:03:24,133 --> 00:03:27,053 Speaker 5: he has so much to learn and so much experience 59 00:03:27,173 --> 00:03:30,493 Speaker 5: to garner from merely being a player. You could argue 60 00:03:30,853 --> 00:03:33,733 Speaker 5: at every level, let alone at international level. But it's 61 00:03:33,733 --> 00:03:37,813 Speaker 5: also a sign that England see him as very much 62 00:03:37,813 --> 00:03:41,373 Speaker 5: as sort of a leading figure for them in the future. 63 00:03:41,493 --> 00:03:44,453 Speaker 5: The fact that they've arrived at a point where he 64 00:03:44,573 --> 00:03:47,173 Speaker 5: is at the future before he's actually had any sort 65 00:03:47,213 --> 00:03:50,253 Speaker 5: of past, and it's something that people will argue. The 66 00:03:50,293 --> 00:03:52,493 Speaker 5: toss about right the way up until such a time 67 00:03:52,533 --> 00:03:55,253 Speaker 5: as he starts playing more regularly for anybody. 68 00:03:54,973 --> 00:03:57,253 Speaker 2: Alone for and I think that's a fair point made 69 00:03:57,333 --> 00:03:59,573 Speaker 2: by Boych. I don't know if you've seen much of 70 00:03:59,613 --> 00:04:01,733 Speaker 2: his work on TV. I quite enjoy him as a 71 00:04:01,773 --> 00:04:06,933 Speaker 2: TV commentator. He's measured, he puts his case forward with 72 00:04:07,053 --> 00:04:10,413 Speaker 2: good balance to basically say towards the end there that 73 00:04:10,933 --> 00:04:15,533 Speaker 2: here's a guy in Jacob Bethel who's reached his future 74 00:04:15,613 --> 00:04:20,773 Speaker 2: without having a past or a present. Interesting line from 75 00:04:20,813 --> 00:04:21,773 Speaker 2: Mark Butcher. 76 00:04:22,173 --> 00:04:25,413 Speaker 3: Yeah, and a very fair one I think with respects 77 00:04:25,413 --> 00:04:29,493 Speaker 3: to captaincy and to playing. He's only had four tests, 78 00:04:29,533 --> 00:04:32,533 Speaker 3: not many ode Eyes, perhaps a few more t twenties 79 00:04:32,573 --> 00:04:36,893 Speaker 3: because the franchises. But very early, isn't it in his career. 80 00:04:36,933 --> 00:04:39,773 Speaker 3: I don't really quite know how to think about it. 81 00:04:41,333 --> 00:04:45,653 Speaker 3: The selectors, they presumably have seen something in the time 82 00:04:45,693 --> 00:04:49,533 Speaker 3: that Bethel's been around the England team. They say that 83 00:04:49,613 --> 00:04:54,413 Speaker 3: they've seen leadership qualities. Well, that's okay. That can be 84 00:04:54,453 --> 00:05:00,373 Speaker 3: different actually from captaining a team, you know, hundreds of 85 00:05:00,613 --> 00:05:05,013 Speaker 3: minor decisions that you make over a day's cricket and 86 00:05:05,573 --> 00:05:09,893 Speaker 3: picking for people for jobs on what you perceive to 87 00:05:09,933 --> 00:05:12,813 Speaker 3: be something in their character, which is I think what 88 00:05:12,893 --> 00:05:17,573 Speaker 3: they mean when they say leadership qualities and not on 89 00:05:17,773 --> 00:05:22,653 Speaker 3: past performance and results. I would think if I was 90 00:05:22,693 --> 00:05:26,933 Speaker 3: a selector, I'd say, well, I like him, but you know, 91 00:05:28,173 --> 00:05:31,453 Speaker 3: that would put me on high alert and it would 92 00:05:31,453 --> 00:05:34,413 Speaker 3: remind myself that I need to delve into his CV 93 00:05:34,573 --> 00:05:37,173 Speaker 3: a bit a bit more than just that I like 94 00:05:37,253 --> 00:05:39,533 Speaker 3: him and therefore I'm going to make him a captain. 95 00:05:39,933 --> 00:05:45,133 Speaker 3: So what is in his CV? First class captaincy how many? 96 00:05:45,613 --> 00:05:45,973 Speaker 2: Nothing? 97 00:05:46,373 --> 00:05:49,653 Speaker 3: None? Under nineteen captain how many? 98 00:05:50,413 --> 00:05:50,813 Speaker 2: Not sure? 99 00:05:51,533 --> 00:05:58,373 Speaker 3: Have a guess none, T twenty blast captains captaincy none none. 100 00:05:59,053 --> 00:06:06,653 Speaker 3: Franchise cricket probably none none. So he's basically this Also 101 00:06:06,813 --> 00:06:12,053 Speaker 3: this year hardly he has played one first class game 102 00:06:12,093 --> 00:06:14,213 Speaker 3: and I think it was a partial game this season 103 00:06:14,413 --> 00:06:17,853 Speaker 3: and then the IPL and he's had an injury. And 104 00:06:17,933 --> 00:06:22,453 Speaker 3: I've got to say that the current regime, the basball regime, 105 00:06:22,493 --> 00:06:25,853 Speaker 3: if you like, They love to be seen as I 106 00:06:25,893 --> 00:06:30,253 Speaker 3: don't know, progressive. They like risk taking, they like to 107 00:06:30,253 --> 00:06:35,533 Speaker 3: be innovative and ahead of others. They want to be bold, 108 00:06:35,933 --> 00:06:40,853 Speaker 3: you know, and you know he's the youngest ever too, 109 00:06:41,453 --> 00:06:46,693 Speaker 3: or they've scored the fastest hundred ever. They may merely 110 00:06:46,733 --> 00:06:49,093 Speaker 3: be encouraging him. I don't know, they see a bit 111 00:06:49,133 --> 00:06:53,453 Speaker 3: of talent. He's obviously a teleogenic lad, looks great on 112 00:06:53,493 --> 00:06:58,733 Speaker 3: the screen, comes from rugby school. I think if you 113 00:06:58,773 --> 00:07:02,613 Speaker 3: were to go back and list the last maybe ten 114 00:07:02,653 --> 00:07:08,973 Speaker 3: to fifteen times when Jacob Bethel was a captain, you 115 00:07:09,013 --> 00:07:14,013 Speaker 3: would be putting down his school teams. It's as simple 116 00:07:14,093 --> 00:07:17,453 Speaker 3: as that. You'd be putting down captain when he was 117 00:07:17,573 --> 00:07:20,493 Speaker 3: at school, they say, they as I say, it's seen 118 00:07:20,613 --> 00:07:26,333 Speaker 3: leadership qualities at training. Well, I don't know what leadership 119 00:07:26,413 --> 00:07:30,613 Speaker 3: qualities do you see at a practice? Who bowls in 120 00:07:30,653 --> 00:07:34,133 Speaker 3: the nets? Is he going to come around the wicket? 121 00:07:35,853 --> 00:07:41,893 Speaker 3: Is he showing others how to take a high Catch's organized? Now? Yeah? 122 00:07:42,213 --> 00:07:45,853 Speaker 3: I mean causing you know, I don't know some made 123 00:07:45,933 --> 00:07:48,453 Speaker 3: up little sports games that they that they do. I 124 00:07:48,493 --> 00:07:52,493 Speaker 3: don't know. I wonder what Phil Salt, who's in that team? 125 00:07:53,133 --> 00:07:56,493 Speaker 3: Who is a captain of a T twenty kind of 126 00:07:56,853 --> 00:08:01,173 Speaker 3: Oh well, sorry, the one hundred Northern Spiders or something. 127 00:08:02,373 --> 00:08:06,093 Speaker 3: And Josh Butler's there. I mean, he won't mind him 128 00:08:06,173 --> 00:08:08,373 Speaker 3: being captain because he doesn't want to be now, but 129 00:08:09,253 --> 00:08:12,973 Speaker 3: he might have little quiet thoughts about it himself. I 130 00:08:13,093 --> 00:08:15,973 Speaker 3: just wonder whether it's they're just planning for the future, 131 00:08:16,373 --> 00:08:20,933 Speaker 3: you know, against the perceived easy game against Ireland now 132 00:08:21,053 --> 00:08:25,173 Speaker 3: that actually England should win even if he makes errands. 133 00:08:25,253 --> 00:08:25,653 Speaker 3: I don't know. 134 00:08:25,813 --> 00:08:29,173 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fine. Planning for the future is about the 135 00:08:29,813 --> 00:08:32,053 Speaker 2: task that they're there for, isn't it. I mean Rob 136 00:08:32,133 --> 00:08:36,093 Speaker 2: Key and Bess McCallum and Ben Stokes will be moving 137 00:08:36,093 --> 00:08:38,573 Speaker 2: on in time that they have to plan for the future. 138 00:08:38,573 --> 00:08:41,093 Speaker 2: But I mean there are other players too who need 139 00:08:41,133 --> 00:08:44,053 Speaker 2: to be considered. I mean, they've done the wicket keeping issue, 140 00:08:44,053 --> 00:08:47,453 Speaker 2: haven't they. They've gone through probably their best wicket keeper, 141 00:08:47,493 --> 00:08:50,013 Speaker 2: who to my mind was Ben Folks, but he's not 142 00:08:50,053 --> 00:08:52,733 Speaker 2: good enough now to get in the England side. They've 143 00:08:52,773 --> 00:08:56,293 Speaker 2: been through a couple of others and finally settled on Smith. 144 00:08:56,293 --> 00:08:58,613 Speaker 2: Who think doesn't he keep for the same club that 145 00:08:58,653 --> 00:09:00,053 Speaker 2: Ben Folks plays for Surrey? 146 00:09:01,293 --> 00:09:03,653 Speaker 3: He does, but he doesn't keep when Folks is playing. 147 00:09:04,253 --> 00:09:05,533 Speaker 2: Yeah, well there you go, isn't it. 148 00:09:06,413 --> 00:09:09,813 Speaker 3: But you see, this is a slightly more conservative kind 149 00:09:09,813 --> 00:09:12,253 Speaker 3: of approach, that we'll pick a wicket keeper first in 150 00:09:12,293 --> 00:09:17,373 Speaker 3: an a batsman second. That period seems to have changed 151 00:09:17,493 --> 00:09:21,573 Speaker 3: quite dramatically, hasn't it now? They're more concerned about the 152 00:09:21,613 --> 00:09:24,133 Speaker 3: runs they can get at number seven in the batting order. 153 00:09:25,213 --> 00:09:28,093 Speaker 3: And I'm a bit like I think what you were 154 00:09:28,133 --> 00:09:33,293 Speaker 3: saying about Mark Butcher, a slightly more conservative part of 155 00:09:33,373 --> 00:09:36,573 Speaker 3: me that feel a person, you know, he has to 156 00:09:36,693 --> 00:09:41,293 Speaker 3: kind of deserve not just for the rest of the 157 00:09:41,333 --> 00:09:44,653 Speaker 3: players and the team and not just for the selection, 158 00:09:44,733 --> 00:09:49,533 Speaker 3: but for himself as well. Do I deserve this? Am 159 00:09:49,573 --> 00:09:54,733 Speaker 3: I ready for this yet? And I've got to say, 160 00:09:54,853 --> 00:09:58,013 Speaker 3: you know, he's got so much to learn as a 161 00:09:58,053 --> 00:10:02,133 Speaker 3: player yet. And I think that's what Mark Butcher was 162 00:10:02,213 --> 00:10:05,933 Speaker 3: kind of talking about when he made that. I mean, 163 00:10:05,973 --> 00:10:09,533 Speaker 3: it's a nice quote, isn't it that he made, you know? 164 00:10:09,613 --> 00:10:11,613 Speaker 3: And he's when he's head, when he's had a few 165 00:10:11,653 --> 00:10:15,573 Speaker 3: more games, when he's learned about himself playing a bit more. 166 00:10:16,493 --> 00:10:21,573 Speaker 3: And so I don't know. I just wonder whether they're 167 00:10:21,613 --> 00:10:25,053 Speaker 3: just widening the range of people in their squad who's 168 00:10:25,093 --> 00:10:28,373 Speaker 3: had a chance to do things and can add to 169 00:10:28,453 --> 00:10:31,973 Speaker 3: the general kind of feeling in the side. And so 170 00:10:32,653 --> 00:10:35,413 Speaker 3: maybe that's why they've picked in. But well, we'll wait 171 00:10:35,453 --> 00:10:38,453 Speaker 3: and see, won't they If they go down one mill 172 00:10:38,573 --> 00:10:41,813 Speaker 3: in the first match, Because Ireland have beaten England before 173 00:10:42,853 --> 00:10:47,213 Speaker 3: ODIs and t twenties and what happens then that's going 174 00:10:47,293 --> 00:10:49,333 Speaker 3: to be interesting. So anyway, we'll wait. 175 00:10:49,133 --> 00:10:51,733 Speaker 2: Anison and it's not their front line side that he's 176 00:10:51,733 --> 00:10:54,133 Speaker 2: captaining either, so that's going to be the interesting factor 177 00:10:54,413 --> 00:10:56,253 Speaker 2: as well. I mean, I look at it the player. 178 00:10:56,333 --> 00:10:58,613 Speaker 2: He's obviously got talent, there's no doubt about that. He 179 00:10:58,653 --> 00:11:01,053 Speaker 2: came out here and played Test matches, but he's never 180 00:11:01,493 --> 00:11:04,493 Speaker 2: really been put under pressure at the top level, has he? 181 00:11:04,653 --> 00:11:08,653 Speaker 2: And it's how people respond under pressure, I think is 182 00:11:09,013 --> 00:11:11,893 Speaker 2: the determining factor on where they go along the track. 183 00:11:11,933 --> 00:11:14,453 Speaker 2: You've got to be able to play in all sorts 184 00:11:14,453 --> 00:11:17,013 Speaker 2: of conditions. It's happened in the New Zealand game. It's 185 00:11:17,013 --> 00:11:18,933 Speaker 2: happening now because we've got a lot of good young 186 00:11:18,933 --> 00:11:22,773 Speaker 2: players heading off to South Africa to take part in 187 00:11:22,773 --> 00:11:25,453 Speaker 2: the New Zealand A tour and the coach of that 188 00:11:25,493 --> 00:11:27,173 Speaker 2: side will join us in just a tick. 189 00:11:27,253 --> 00:11:31,253 Speaker 1: Brian Waddle Jeremy Coney on the front foot and. 190 00:11:31,213 --> 00:11:33,773 Speaker 2: He's here on A cricket squad of fifteen has been 191 00:11:33,893 --> 00:11:37,933 Speaker 2: named for a five match tour of South Africa, following 192 00:11:37,933 --> 00:11:42,453 Speaker 2: on their performances in Bangladesh earlier this year. The fifteen 193 00:11:42,653 --> 00:11:47,813 Speaker 2: players chosen include three quarters ten of a number with 194 00:11:48,133 --> 00:11:52,053 Speaker 2: Black Caps experience. The captains will be Nick Kelly from Wellington, 195 00:11:52,053 --> 00:11:54,733 Speaker 2: the white ball captain and Joe Carter, the red ball 196 00:11:54,773 --> 00:12:00,333 Speaker 2: captain from Northern Districts. Now to be coached by Daniel Flynn. 197 00:12:00,813 --> 00:12:05,013 Speaker 2: And before we get onto the squad, Daniel, just congratulations 198 00:12:05,053 --> 00:12:09,253 Speaker 2: to you because I think that's the first event that 199 00:12:09,293 --> 00:12:11,533 Speaker 2: you've gone away with the national side, so to step 200 00:12:11,613 --> 00:12:12,733 Speaker 2: up for you as well, isn't it. 201 00:12:13,093 --> 00:12:16,373 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it's obviously a great opportunity for me. It's 202 00:12:17,533 --> 00:12:19,533 Speaker 6: spend a bit of time with Northern Districts, coming into 203 00:12:19,573 --> 00:12:22,253 Speaker 6: my third season as assistant coach there, but yeah, first 204 00:12:22,253 --> 00:12:25,453 Speaker 6: opportunity as a head coach and then obviously leading a 205 00:12:25,533 --> 00:12:26,733 Speaker 6: New Zealand a side. 206 00:12:26,893 --> 00:12:31,453 Speaker 2: Yeah. And the side you're going away with is very experienced, 207 00:12:31,493 --> 00:12:36,733 Speaker 2: first class wise. I mentioned the Black Caps reference as well, 208 00:12:37,893 --> 00:12:42,053 Speaker 2: A good balanced side with three that were in the 209 00:12:42,133 --> 00:12:44,933 Speaker 2: last two and not there you've still had another three 210 00:12:44,973 --> 00:12:46,333 Speaker 2: players come in. Yeah. 211 00:12:46,453 --> 00:12:49,973 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's an exciting max. I think just shows the 212 00:12:50,013 --> 00:12:52,733 Speaker 6: depth that they we currently have in New Zealand cricket 213 00:12:52,893 --> 00:12:58,453 Speaker 6: and the guys with international experience, you know, that's invaluable 214 00:12:58,493 --> 00:13:00,213 Speaker 6: for the group and the rest of the guys to 215 00:13:00,293 --> 00:13:01,813 Speaker 6: feed off and learn off as well. 216 00:13:02,773 --> 00:13:05,413 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you mentioned depth. I think that's important these days, 217 00:13:05,493 --> 00:13:07,653 Speaker 2: isn't it, Because there's so much cricket going on the 218 00:13:07,653 --> 00:13:11,133 Speaker 2: world over, you need that depth for selection purposes. 219 00:13:11,653 --> 00:13:11,893 Speaker 1: Yeah. 220 00:13:12,013 --> 00:13:13,653 Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think that's the beauty of this a 221 00:13:13,853 --> 00:13:16,613 Speaker 6: program and the number of opportunity these guys are getting, 222 00:13:16,773 --> 00:13:21,173 Speaker 6: you know, to tour and experience foreign conditions, so when 223 00:13:21,213 --> 00:13:23,293 Speaker 6: they do get the or have to make the step 224 00:13:23,373 --> 00:13:26,133 Speaker 6: up to international cricket, you know they're not going in 225 00:13:26,693 --> 00:13:28,093 Speaker 6: or they're going in with their eyes open. 226 00:13:28,133 --> 00:13:31,813 Speaker 2: I suppose three players out from the last two that Jacobs, 227 00:13:31,813 --> 00:13:34,653 Speaker 2: Fisher and Keane have come in, and I suppose if 228 00:13:34,653 --> 00:13:37,773 Speaker 2: you look at our domestic competition at the moment, you 229 00:13:37,773 --> 00:13:40,733 Speaker 2: could say there's probably another five or six who would 230 00:13:40,773 --> 00:13:42,933 Speaker 2: not be out of place within that side, which just 231 00:13:43,573 --> 00:13:45,573 Speaker 2: highlights the depth we're talking about, doesn't it. 232 00:13:46,733 --> 00:13:49,653 Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, Yeah, there's still some guys around the 233 00:13:49,693 --> 00:13:53,213 Speaker 6: traps that are proven performers at domestic level. So yeah, 234 00:13:53,333 --> 00:13:56,973 Speaker 6: certainly tricky side to select. I'd imagine. I wasn't involved 235 00:13:57,013 --> 00:14:00,453 Speaker 6: in that process, but yeah, that's certainly a reflection of 236 00:14:00,493 --> 00:14:01,653 Speaker 6: the depth in the game. 237 00:14:02,573 --> 00:14:04,573 Speaker 2: Yeah, and some of them have had a fair bit 238 00:14:04,613 --> 00:14:06,973 Speaker 2: of cricket. I suppose you've been working with some of 239 00:14:06,973 --> 00:14:10,573 Speaker 2: them in terms of preparing them. Those who've been around 240 00:14:10,573 --> 00:14:13,733 Speaker 2: New Zealand and have been overseas playing in tournaments. I 241 00:14:13,733 --> 00:14:15,413 Speaker 2: don't know how many of them it would be. 242 00:14:16,093 --> 00:14:19,733 Speaker 6: Yeah, We've had a couple of camps in Napier over 243 00:14:19,773 --> 00:14:22,773 Speaker 6: the last month, so probably nine or ten of the 244 00:14:22,813 --> 00:14:25,213 Speaker 6: guys have been around. But yeah, like you said, there's 245 00:14:25,373 --> 00:14:28,173 Speaker 6: a lot of guys involved in cricket, whether it be 246 00:14:28,213 --> 00:14:31,093 Speaker 6: with the Black Caps or even some guys over in 247 00:14:31,133 --> 00:14:35,213 Speaker 6: the UK with club opportunities. So yeah, which I think 248 00:14:35,253 --> 00:14:38,573 Speaker 6: holds them in good stead. Obviously coming into competition once 249 00:14:38,653 --> 00:14:39,973 Speaker 6: we get over to South Africa. 250 00:14:40,053 --> 00:14:42,453 Speaker 2: The challenge there for you too as a coach, because 251 00:14:42,453 --> 00:14:45,413 Speaker 2: this side has been well performed. You know, when you 252 00:14:45,493 --> 00:14:47,973 Speaker 2: go right back to India, what three years ago, they 253 00:14:48,853 --> 00:14:51,173 Speaker 2: performed well even though they were beaten in one of 254 00:14:51,173 --> 00:14:55,573 Speaker 2: the four day games and lost the one day as Australia, 255 00:14:55,813 --> 00:15:00,413 Speaker 2: Bangladesh and other sides that they've played. There's a real 256 00:15:00,533 --> 00:15:01,813 Speaker 2: quality of performance, isn't here. 257 00:15:02,133 --> 00:15:05,693 Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, So yeah, hopefully we can continue that on 258 00:15:05,693 --> 00:15:08,773 Speaker 6: once we get to South Africa. But yeah, at the 259 00:15:08,813 --> 00:15:10,933 Speaker 6: quality that we have in the group, I can't see 260 00:15:10,973 --> 00:15:11,253 Speaker 6: why not. 261 00:15:11,733 --> 00:15:13,973 Speaker 2: Ye. The program that the A side of hand has 262 00:15:13,973 --> 00:15:16,493 Speaker 2: been a good one. The challenge of this, of course, 263 00:15:16,573 --> 00:15:19,053 Speaker 2: is there's a fifteen man squad and you've got to 264 00:15:19,053 --> 00:15:24,013 Speaker 2: break them up into one day and four day cricketers. 265 00:15:24,613 --> 00:15:28,053 Speaker 2: Is there specialists in either of those games? Or do 266 00:15:28,133 --> 00:15:30,733 Speaker 2: you just have to move the players around. It's a 267 00:15:30,733 --> 00:15:34,373 Speaker 2: matter of picking guys and using your squad rather than 268 00:15:34,413 --> 00:15:36,453 Speaker 2: your best possible side every game. 269 00:15:37,693 --> 00:15:39,413 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that's a good point. It is about 270 00:15:39,493 --> 00:15:43,493 Speaker 6: opportunity and guys getting getting that across both formats. So 271 00:15:44,973 --> 00:15:49,133 Speaker 6: that's sort of the I guess philosophy around these tours, 272 00:15:49,813 --> 00:15:52,533 Speaker 6: and it's exposing as many of the guys in the 273 00:15:52,573 --> 00:15:57,813 Speaker 6: squad to the conditions in different formats. So yeah, yeah, 274 00:15:57,813 --> 00:16:02,133 Speaker 6: there's certainly not I guess the first eleven picked as such, 275 00:16:02,453 --> 00:16:06,093 Speaker 6: it's a bit of an opportunity to expose the entire squad. 276 00:16:06,733 --> 00:16:08,813 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not all on you either. You've got some 277 00:16:09,213 --> 00:16:11,533 Speaker 2: experience to coaching staff around you. 278 00:16:13,093 --> 00:16:13,293 Speaker 3: Yeah. 279 00:16:13,373 --> 00:16:16,893 Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm fortunate to have Bob Carter and Graham Aldridge 280 00:16:16,893 --> 00:16:19,133 Speaker 6: with me, so I'll certainly be leaning on them from 281 00:16:19,213 --> 00:16:22,613 Speaker 6: time time to time. With obviously the amount of experience 282 00:16:22,653 --> 00:16:24,453 Speaker 6: that they have at the. 283 00:16:24,413 --> 00:16:27,533 Speaker 2: Top level, sides would know what they're up against. In 284 00:16:27,613 --> 00:16:30,573 Speaker 2: South Africa, they see them quite often. Do you know 285 00:16:30,613 --> 00:16:33,613 Speaker 2: anything about what you're facing in terms of the South 286 00:16:33,653 --> 00:16:34,693 Speaker 2: African opposition? 287 00:16:36,293 --> 00:16:38,373 Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, we've been fortunate to get get a bit 288 00:16:38,373 --> 00:16:42,653 Speaker 6: of information on them, so yeah. And there's there's some 289 00:16:42,693 --> 00:16:46,133 Speaker 6: handy cricketers in their group obviously, and the depth of 290 00:16:46,213 --> 00:16:50,653 Speaker 6: their programs was obviously on display with them taking out 291 00:16:50,653 --> 00:16:53,053 Speaker 6: the World Test Championship, so we know we're going to 292 00:16:53,053 --> 00:16:56,173 Speaker 6: be coming up against some quality players, which obviously makes 293 00:16:56,213 --> 00:16:57,453 Speaker 6: it pretty exciting. 294 00:16:57,853 --> 00:17:00,693 Speaker 2: As a coach. Do things change when you get away 295 00:17:00,693 --> 00:17:03,933 Speaker 2: on two you're probably doing things and working on specific 296 00:17:04,013 --> 00:17:06,653 Speaker 2: skills with players when you're in camps, but of course 297 00:17:06,693 --> 00:17:09,493 Speaker 2: when you're away you don't want to changing people. Do 298 00:17:09,653 --> 00:17:12,333 Speaker 2: you just have to develop what they've come with. 299 00:17:14,053 --> 00:17:14,293 Speaker 3: Yeah. 300 00:17:14,333 --> 00:17:16,133 Speaker 6: I think once you get away on tour, it's more 301 00:17:16,173 --> 00:17:21,773 Speaker 6: about getting them prepared for the game. So yeah, the 302 00:17:21,813 --> 00:17:25,133 Speaker 6: work's been done through the winter obviously that any technical 303 00:17:25,173 --> 00:17:27,413 Speaker 6: bits and pieces that they've focused on, but it's more 304 00:17:27,453 --> 00:17:30,653 Speaker 6: about getting them ready for the performance aspect of it. 305 00:17:31,693 --> 00:17:35,173 Speaker 2: You're taking a couple of guys who made an impression 306 00:17:35,493 --> 00:17:41,453 Speaker 2: on the tour of Zimbabwe in Fisher and also Zach Fuchs, 307 00:17:42,013 --> 00:17:46,893 Speaker 2: and they will be important because they reached pretty high 308 00:17:46,973 --> 00:17:51,013 Speaker 2: levels of performance in Zimbabwe. Yeah. 309 00:17:51,133 --> 00:17:55,093 Speaker 6: Yeah, a couple of exciting, young, talented players that are 310 00:17:55,133 --> 00:17:57,173 Speaker 6: coming through in New Zealand cricket and obviously, like we 311 00:17:57,333 --> 00:18:00,413 Speaker 6: discussed before, you know, they've shown that they're more than 312 00:18:00,453 --> 00:18:03,613 Speaker 6: capable of making that step up to the international level. 313 00:18:03,733 --> 00:18:05,813 Speaker 6: So it's going to be great to have them in 314 00:18:05,893 --> 00:18:07,933 Speaker 6: the group and looking forward to seeing what they bring 315 00:18:07,973 --> 00:18:08,653 Speaker 6: to the tape. 316 00:18:09,133 --> 00:18:13,053 Speaker 2: Yes, you're no Fisher through Northern districts contacts. He's also 317 00:18:13,253 --> 00:18:16,533 Speaker 2: had injury issues that haven't allowed him to develop to 318 00:18:16,533 --> 00:18:18,573 Speaker 2: the extent that you would like because he's pretty sharp. 319 00:18:20,053 --> 00:18:22,813 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's Yeah, he's obviously been a little 320 00:18:22,813 --> 00:18:27,253 Speaker 6: bit unfortunate with a few injuries, so hopefully he's through 321 00:18:27,333 --> 00:18:30,013 Speaker 6: the other side of that now. But yeah, certainly an 322 00:18:30,053 --> 00:18:33,893 Speaker 6: exciting prospect with the ability to get the ball through it, 323 00:18:34,093 --> 00:18:37,333 Speaker 6: you know that one forty k now, which is very exciting. 324 00:18:38,253 --> 00:18:41,573 Speaker 2: Yeah, and at the top level that's important to be 325 00:18:41,573 --> 00:18:43,453 Speaker 2: able to generate that pace, but also to be able 326 00:18:43,493 --> 00:18:46,293 Speaker 2: to do something with the ball. Pace alone doesn't do it, 327 00:18:46,293 --> 00:18:46,573 Speaker 2: does it? 328 00:18:47,773 --> 00:18:48,093 Speaker 3: No? 329 00:18:48,093 --> 00:18:50,453 Speaker 6: No, And he's yeah, he's worked very hard on his skills, 330 00:18:50,493 --> 00:18:53,333 Speaker 6: you know, the ability to swing the ball. But yeah, 331 00:18:53,413 --> 00:18:56,413 Speaker 6: I think the pace obviously complements the rest of our 332 00:18:56,453 --> 00:18:57,413 Speaker 6: attack quite nicely. 333 00:18:58,253 --> 00:19:03,573 Speaker 2: What about conditions you're playing, I think in Pretoria and Pachastrom, 334 00:19:03,613 --> 00:19:06,853 Speaker 2: there's one game in Patchastrum in four games in Pretoria. 335 00:19:07,733 --> 00:19:09,813 Speaker 2: You've got a bit of experience having played their ten 336 00:19:09,893 --> 00:19:12,493 Speaker 2: twelve years ago in South Africa, but you probably add 337 00:19:12,573 --> 00:19:14,093 Speaker 2: up to date with the way things are going. You 338 00:19:14,133 --> 00:19:16,613 Speaker 2: don't check on the conditions. 339 00:19:17,733 --> 00:19:20,013 Speaker 6: Yeah, a little bit like obviously that time of year, 340 00:19:20,333 --> 00:19:22,853 Speaker 6: are coming out of their winter as well, so you 341 00:19:22,893 --> 00:19:27,133 Speaker 6: know it's not your traditional conditions that you'd get in 342 00:19:27,173 --> 00:19:30,493 Speaker 6: South Africa. So I guess the key is adapting pretty 343 00:19:30,533 --> 00:19:32,373 Speaker 6: quickly to what's in front of us. 344 00:19:32,653 --> 00:19:35,853 Speaker 2: And altitude, I spoke, pays part as well in terms 345 00:19:35,853 --> 00:19:39,173 Speaker 2: of being up near Johannesburg Pretoria area. I don't know 346 00:19:39,173 --> 00:19:42,813 Speaker 2: about Potchesteram, but altitude shaps the energy of it, doesn't it. 347 00:19:43,893 --> 00:19:46,173 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And like I said earlier, I think 348 00:19:46,213 --> 00:19:48,933 Speaker 6: that's the benefit of these tours. Guys start to get 349 00:19:48,933 --> 00:19:52,653 Speaker 6: accustomed to these foreign conditions and how they deal with it. 350 00:19:52,693 --> 00:19:55,813 Speaker 6: But I know they're all very fit, strong, so hopefully 351 00:19:56,173 --> 00:19:57,373 Speaker 6: that holds us in good stead. 352 00:19:57,733 --> 00:20:01,773 Speaker 2: Does winning become more important than development? I know everybody 353 00:20:01,853 --> 00:20:05,013 Speaker 2: wants to win, but the development of the players and 354 00:20:05,053 --> 00:20:08,173 Speaker 2: their skills is that more important than winning? How do 355 00:20:08,213 --> 00:20:10,693 Speaker 2: you rate those two situations we talked about earlier. 356 00:20:10,933 --> 00:20:12,733 Speaker 6: Yeah, Like my view is it's a bit of a 357 00:20:12,773 --> 00:20:17,853 Speaker 6: balancing act with this program. Obviously, Eron goes there to win. 358 00:20:18,093 --> 00:20:22,453 Speaker 6: You know, that's natural, they're professional athletes. But yeah, it's 359 00:20:22,573 --> 00:20:26,933 Speaker 6: as I've mentioned, it's about the opportunity to develop these players, 360 00:20:27,093 --> 00:20:30,613 Speaker 6: help them evolve their games, so when they do get 361 00:20:30,813 --> 00:20:34,013 Speaker 6: more opportunities at the next level, they feel very comfortable 362 00:20:34,053 --> 00:20:34,653 Speaker 6: and confident. 363 00:20:34,933 --> 00:20:37,173 Speaker 2: What about you, how do you feel about coaching now 364 00:20:37,373 --> 00:20:41,213 Speaker 2: as a career. I suppose you've got to develop your 365 00:20:41,413 --> 00:20:43,493 Speaker 2: skills as well, don't you At the top level when 366 00:20:43,493 --> 00:20:44,453 Speaker 2: you get this opportunity. 367 00:20:44,733 --> 00:20:48,333 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's pretty exciting for me. I'm 368 00:20:48,333 --> 00:20:50,973 Speaker 6: only three or four years into it now, so I'm 369 00:20:51,013 --> 00:20:53,493 Speaker 6: certainly learning a lot as I go, and I guess 370 00:20:53,573 --> 00:20:56,973 Speaker 6: this is another opportunity to bank some experience and learn 371 00:20:57,173 --> 00:21:00,733 Speaker 6: learn plenty, and like I mentioned, earlier. Fortunate to have 372 00:21:00,813 --> 00:21:03,853 Speaker 6: guys like Bob Carter and Graham Aldridge there that have 373 00:21:03,973 --> 00:21:06,053 Speaker 6: done plenty of work at this level, so I'll be 374 00:21:06,173 --> 00:21:07,733 Speaker 6: leaning on them. 375 00:21:07,813 --> 00:21:10,053 Speaker 2: Your depth its important in coaching too. We talk off 376 00:21:10,053 --> 00:21:13,213 Speaker 2: on about players, but you know, the ability to coach 377 00:21:13,653 --> 00:21:15,813 Speaker 2: and the programs that New Zealand Cricket are doing in 378 00:21:15,853 --> 00:21:19,133 Speaker 2: terms of coaching coaches to be able to coach are 379 00:21:19,173 --> 00:21:23,213 Speaker 2: significant now because of the challenges that coaches face. 380 00:21:23,733 --> 00:21:26,733 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, we're fortunate at New Zealand Cricket. There's a 381 00:21:26,813 --> 00:21:30,453 Speaker 6: lot of emphasis put into helping develop coaches. So it's 382 00:21:30,493 --> 00:21:34,173 Speaker 6: just about taking the opportunities I suppose, and you're always 383 00:21:34,213 --> 00:21:36,613 Speaker 6: looking to learn and get better, just I guess as 384 00:21:36,653 --> 00:21:39,213 Speaker 6: a player, so there's a lot of similarities there. 385 00:21:40,093 --> 00:21:40,333 Speaker 3: Yeah. 386 00:21:40,333 --> 00:21:42,653 Speaker 2: Well, we'll be keeping close eye on how things are 387 00:21:42,693 --> 00:21:45,573 Speaker 2: going over there while you're in Cha. It's only sort 388 00:21:45,613 --> 00:21:47,813 Speaker 2: of about three weeks in totals. In the first game 389 00:21:47,853 --> 00:21:52,773 Speaker 2: starting on Saturday, is a one day and the players, 390 00:21:52,813 --> 00:21:55,173 Speaker 2: I suppose we'll be looking to try and prepare themselves 391 00:21:55,213 --> 00:21:59,613 Speaker 2: for home conditions because first October they'll be back and 392 00:21:59,613 --> 00:22:03,093 Speaker 2: they'll be straight into some of it, possibly playing internationals 393 00:22:04,173 --> 00:22:05,133 Speaker 2: against Australia. 394 00:22:05,253 --> 00:22:07,973 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, well fingers cross. It's a quick turnaround 395 00:22:08,013 --> 00:22:11,373 Speaker 6: for some them and they're involved in that series. But yeah, 396 00:22:11,693 --> 00:22:12,413 Speaker 6: ideal leader. 397 00:22:12,453 --> 00:22:15,133 Speaker 2: If that is the case, well all the very best. 398 00:22:15,133 --> 00:22:17,093 Speaker 2: Hope things go well for you and we'll see how 399 00:22:18,173 --> 00:22:22,093 Speaker 2: you've assessed it when it's all finished, Thank you very much. 400 00:22:22,853 --> 00:22:26,973 Speaker 2: So Daniel Flynn is taking a side that features well 401 00:22:27,013 --> 00:22:29,693 Speaker 2: all but three of the side that performed well in 402 00:22:29,773 --> 00:22:33,813 Speaker 2: Bangladesh and there's three new players and they probably get 403 00:22:33,813 --> 00:22:38,493 Speaker 2: there because of form. Fisher was a success in the 404 00:22:38,573 --> 00:22:42,893 Speaker 2: Test match series in Zimbabwe. Jacobs has been marked down 405 00:22:42,933 --> 00:22:45,573 Speaker 2: as a talent and he's getting an opportunity. And Keen, 406 00:22:46,213 --> 00:22:49,933 Speaker 2: as Sir Daniel Flynn says, is a bit of an 407 00:22:49,973 --> 00:22:52,133 Speaker 2: all rounder and a useful sort of player and a 408 00:22:52,173 --> 00:22:54,853 Speaker 2: good chance. This is the sort of chance we want 409 00:22:54,893 --> 00:22:56,773 Speaker 2: to see these players. This is where you want to 410 00:22:56,813 --> 00:22:59,533 Speaker 2: develop your talent. And I think the New Zealand Cricket 411 00:22:59,933 --> 00:23:03,013 Speaker 2: and the selection panel Jerry have done a great job 412 00:23:03,373 --> 00:23:06,853 Speaker 2: in terms of keeping the consistency about these players and 413 00:23:06,893 --> 00:23:11,653 Speaker 2: giving the developing talent these opportunities which probably haven't been 414 00:23:11,653 --> 00:23:12,453 Speaker 2: there in the past. 415 00:23:13,333 --> 00:23:16,533 Speaker 3: And as you pointed out, also the coaches was. You know, 416 00:23:16,773 --> 00:23:18,893 Speaker 3: Daniel Footen has been around a bit, but now he 417 00:23:18,933 --> 00:23:23,533 Speaker 3: gets a better, bigger chance, an opportunity. Same for the players. 418 00:23:23,813 --> 00:23:27,173 Speaker 3: But the first thing I would say, looking at the side, 419 00:23:27,373 --> 00:23:32,533 Speaker 3: their names we know and that's what your point. There's 420 00:23:32,573 --> 00:23:36,613 Speaker 3: a consistency about the people that they are choosing beneath 421 00:23:37,293 --> 00:23:41,453 Speaker 3: the black Caps. And they've now had games in New 422 00:23:41,533 --> 00:23:46,453 Speaker 3: Zealand against Australia. They've played in Australia, they've played in India, 423 00:23:46,493 --> 00:23:51,333 Speaker 3: they've played in Bangladesh, now to South Africa. And this 424 00:23:51,373 --> 00:23:54,053 Speaker 3: is what I think those of us who follow the 425 00:23:54,093 --> 00:23:58,053 Speaker 3: game have been calling for, isn't it for so many years? 426 00:23:58,213 --> 00:24:03,293 Speaker 3: Let's develop this group of players beneath our top players, 427 00:24:03,893 --> 00:24:08,053 Speaker 3: because you know, New Zealand is a side that contains 428 00:24:08,933 --> 00:24:14,453 Speaker 3: mature players, experienced players, and that's good, but that they 429 00:24:14,493 --> 00:24:16,853 Speaker 3: are going to finish and their finished will come at 430 00:24:16,893 --> 00:24:20,493 Speaker 3: some point. You know, you're not rushing, they're not rushing away, 431 00:24:21,053 --> 00:24:24,533 Speaker 3: but new players will be needed. And so it's so 432 00:24:24,733 --> 00:24:28,693 Speaker 3: much better that we've got a group of players who 433 00:24:28,733 --> 00:24:32,693 Speaker 3: have been to all these places I've just mentioned, and 434 00:24:32,773 --> 00:24:35,413 Speaker 3: that they have got built up some opportunities and some 435 00:24:35,573 --> 00:24:39,813 Speaker 3: runs and some experiences that they will be better players 436 00:24:39,813 --> 00:24:42,893 Speaker 3: because it won't be an easy to awards. They're coming 437 00:24:42,933 --> 00:24:47,573 Speaker 3: out of winter there. I think that Daniel mentioned spicy pictures. 438 00:24:48,533 --> 00:24:51,973 Speaker 3: They'll have very good quicks, I would think, and they'll 439 00:24:52,013 --> 00:24:56,493 Speaker 3: have decent batsmen and that's quite a potent combination. And 440 00:24:56,533 --> 00:24:59,173 Speaker 3: that's how South Africa have been for some time. So 441 00:24:59,733 --> 00:25:02,813 Speaker 3: a good test for these players. A lot of them 442 00:25:02,853 --> 00:25:07,053 Speaker 3: have played ODI's and T twenties for New Zealand, some 443 00:25:07,093 --> 00:25:10,093 Speaker 3: of them new ones have played Test matches and we've 444 00:25:10,093 --> 00:25:12,853 Speaker 3: got some others who are pushing the boundaries trying to 445 00:25:12,893 --> 00:25:15,853 Speaker 3: get in as well. And they reside in the side 446 00:25:15,893 --> 00:25:19,933 Speaker 3: and the squad. So good to see those named wads happy. 447 00:25:19,933 --> 00:25:22,493 Speaker 3: He was watching that and boy, it'll be interesting watching 448 00:25:22,533 --> 00:25:23,093 Speaker 3: how they go. 449 00:25:23,693 --> 00:25:26,613 Speaker 2: Yeah, and they've got a record that they will want 450 00:25:26,653 --> 00:25:31,173 Speaker 2: to preserve as well as you say, performed well in India, Bangladesh, 451 00:25:31,213 --> 00:25:34,653 Speaker 2: Australia and at home here. And you know, many of 452 00:25:34,733 --> 00:25:38,413 Speaker 2: those players may not go past this level. I mean 453 00:25:38,453 --> 00:25:41,173 Speaker 2: I look at guys like Kelly and Carter and Nick 454 00:25:41,253 --> 00:25:45,253 Speaker 2: Kelly was the top run scorer in domestic first class 455 00:25:45,293 --> 00:25:49,933 Speaker 2: cricket last season, yet he's only made short form teams 456 00:25:49,973 --> 00:25:53,293 Speaker 2: for New Zealand, but as a confident player is in 457 00:25:53,333 --> 00:25:57,413 Speaker 2: his early thirties now and those opportunities may by pass them. 458 00:25:57,413 --> 00:26:00,613 Speaker 2: But you're right about the depth we need those players 459 00:26:00,653 --> 00:26:03,373 Speaker 2: because oh, an IPL contract could come along and somebody 460 00:26:03,373 --> 00:26:06,493 Speaker 2: doesn't want a contract for New Zealand, and have you 461 00:26:06,493 --> 00:26:09,133 Speaker 2: got anybody to replace them? To do the same with 462 00:26:09,173 --> 00:26:12,613 Speaker 2: our coaches as I mentioned, and Daniel Flynt has got 463 00:26:12,653 --> 00:26:15,333 Speaker 2: experience at playing at the top level and now he's 464 00:26:15,333 --> 00:26:17,573 Speaker 2: getting the experience he needs to take him further. 465 00:26:18,893 --> 00:26:23,613 Speaker 3: YEP. Can't disagree with any of that. So let's see 466 00:26:23,613 --> 00:26:25,733 Speaker 3: how they go. Let's see how they go. Hope they 467 00:26:25,853 --> 00:26:29,573 Speaker 3: wish them well and hope that you know, a few 468 00:26:29,573 --> 00:26:32,173 Speaker 3: of them come back being better players. That's really what 469 00:26:32,253 --> 00:26:34,933 Speaker 3: we want, isn't it. That they've got They know about 470 00:26:34,973 --> 00:26:39,013 Speaker 3: the conditions in South Africa. They've they've faced some different bowlers, 471 00:26:39,053 --> 00:26:43,413 Speaker 3: they've they've had to confront bowling to batsmen who seemed 472 00:26:43,413 --> 00:26:45,933 Speaker 3: too good for them to get out. But they work 473 00:26:45,973 --> 00:26:49,333 Speaker 3: a way and work away and try and solve problems. 474 00:26:49,773 --> 00:26:53,173 Speaker 3: So just like I mean that left armor that's got 475 00:26:53,213 --> 00:26:57,453 Speaker 3: that's come from CD that that was in Bangladesh. I 476 00:26:57,573 --> 00:26:59,893 Speaker 3: can't remember his name offhand. I haven't got the names 477 00:26:59,933 --> 00:27:05,053 Speaker 3: in front of me, sorry, Lennox. Yeah, and you know 478 00:27:05,213 --> 00:27:08,293 Speaker 3: that he learns to land the ball not just accurately 479 00:27:08,413 --> 00:27:10,693 Speaker 3: on the same spot on the pitch, but he can 480 00:27:10,773 --> 00:27:15,373 Speaker 3: get it to that same place with different flights, and 481 00:27:15,413 --> 00:27:18,133 Speaker 3: so he could be flatter and still hit that point. 482 00:27:18,253 --> 00:27:20,493 Speaker 3: He could be up in the air and down again 483 00:27:20,853 --> 00:27:23,253 Speaker 3: on the same point. He can get an arm ball 484 00:27:23,333 --> 00:27:26,773 Speaker 3: coming in on the same point, then we've really got 485 00:27:26,773 --> 00:27:30,013 Speaker 3: a bowler. So those are all the sorts of things 486 00:27:30,093 --> 00:27:32,373 Speaker 3: he'll need to start to think about and to learn 487 00:27:32,373 --> 00:27:33,133 Speaker 3: and to practice. 488 00:27:33,693 --> 00:27:36,293 Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, and they'll be doing that coming up Saturday 489 00:27:36,293 --> 00:27:39,493 Speaker 2: of their first game against South Africa. They're playing in 490 00:27:39,773 --> 00:27:44,253 Speaker 2: Victoria and Potchefstrom. We're going to talk a little wicket 491 00:27:44,333 --> 00:27:47,413 Speaker 2: keeping in just a moment before we move on to 492 00:27:47,453 --> 00:27:50,413 Speaker 2: the question of wicket keeping. Some sad news. I don't 493 00:27:50,453 --> 00:27:53,653 Speaker 2: know how well you knew Bob Simpson, Jerry, but he 494 00:27:53,733 --> 00:27:58,813 Speaker 2: died just recently and a man who I guess you 495 00:27:58,813 --> 00:28:02,253 Speaker 2: could put him in the iconic Australian cricketer class. He 496 00:28:02,373 --> 00:28:06,613 Speaker 2: really committed his life to the game in Australia. He 497 00:28:06,693 --> 00:28:08,813 Speaker 2: died at the age of eighty nine. Had a good 498 00:28:09,093 --> 00:28:13,013 Speaker 2: innings as such, but he committed himself. I mean, he's 499 00:28:13,013 --> 00:28:15,493 Speaker 2: a man. He went ten years without playing Test cricket 500 00:28:15,853 --> 00:28:19,613 Speaker 2: just because he retired and then Kerry Packers circus came 501 00:28:19,613 --> 00:28:21,533 Speaker 2: along and he had to come back and take on 502 00:28:21,613 --> 00:28:23,573 Speaker 2: the captaincy of the side at the age of forty one. 503 00:28:24,493 --> 00:28:29,053 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a key figure, isn't he. Towards the you know, 504 00:28:29,213 --> 00:28:32,973 Speaker 3: the sort of the seventies. He started playing for Australia 505 00:28:33,013 --> 00:28:37,093 Speaker 3: in the fifties, he was under you know Beno, of 506 00:28:37,213 --> 00:28:41,573 Speaker 3: course he was his vice captain. What a supreme slip fieldsman. 507 00:28:41,613 --> 00:28:48,373 Speaker 3: He was getting almost one catch per innings, not per match, 508 00:28:48,613 --> 00:28:53,733 Speaker 3: per innings over his sixty two Tests, one hundred and 509 00:28:54,173 --> 00:28:57,453 Speaker 3: one hundred and something or other catchers one hundred and ten. 510 00:28:57,573 --> 00:29:02,693 Speaker 3: Maybe fantastic first slipper, not just to the quicks but 511 00:29:02,733 --> 00:29:10,293 Speaker 3: also to spin a man, as you say, pivotal figure. 512 00:29:10,853 --> 00:29:15,453 Speaker 3: Then he became captain after Beno, and he then paired 513 00:29:15,533 --> 00:29:19,813 Speaker 3: up with Bill Lourie who then became his He became 514 00:29:19,853 --> 00:29:23,573 Speaker 3: a captain himself. Then he had the break once he retired, 515 00:29:23,613 --> 00:29:27,013 Speaker 3: as you say, ten years working for pr firm media. 516 00:29:27,613 --> 00:29:29,613 Speaker 3: One of the first to do that. Maybe from the 517 00:29:29,613 --> 00:29:32,453 Speaker 3: players of the game who have moved into the media 518 00:29:32,493 --> 00:29:38,453 Speaker 3: a bit once and then you know, then suddenly you 519 00:29:38,493 --> 00:29:42,133 Speaker 3: know was a hand up, wasn't he? With their World 520 00:29:42,253 --> 00:29:46,893 Speaker 3: Series Cricket going on, Please come back, please come back, 521 00:29:47,653 --> 00:29:50,573 Speaker 3: And he did as captain for a couple of series. 522 00:29:52,733 --> 00:29:59,373 Speaker 3: Was dropped after those two series prematurely really when they 523 00:29:59,413 --> 00:30:02,453 Speaker 3: went to the West Indies and I think players like 524 00:30:02,613 --> 00:30:07,093 Speaker 3: Croft Roberts Garner, no one beat the West Indies away 525 00:30:08,133 --> 00:30:11,973 Speaker 3: that time in those years, and he didn't score many runs, 526 00:30:12,013 --> 00:30:13,493 Speaker 3: but they got rid of it. And then in came 527 00:30:13,893 --> 00:30:18,093 Speaker 3: a succession of captains like Yallop and Cohen Hughes and 528 00:30:18,173 --> 00:30:23,933 Speaker 3: so on, and so he then came back later on 529 00:30:24,013 --> 00:30:28,333 Speaker 3: as a coach, didn't he, And after they had lost 530 00:30:28,533 --> 00:30:33,413 Speaker 3: lots of games over a period, and Border was the 531 00:30:33,453 --> 00:30:39,133 Speaker 3: captain at that time, and he over the two years 532 00:30:39,173 --> 00:30:43,373 Speaker 3: and Border was known as his nickname Grumpy. He and 533 00:30:45,693 --> 00:30:50,413 Speaker 3: A Simpson formed a formidable pairing just at the time 534 00:30:50,453 --> 00:30:55,893 Speaker 3: of the game when you know, data, lots of computer work, 535 00:30:56,293 --> 00:31:00,733 Speaker 3: lots of figures were being thrown out at players and 536 00:31:00,853 --> 00:31:03,693 Speaker 3: at coaches. He was more of the old sort of 537 00:31:03,773 --> 00:31:09,573 Speaker 3: coach who taught traditionally about the skills of batting, the 538 00:31:09,653 --> 00:31:14,693 Speaker 3: techniques of batting and the fielding. I remember him actually 539 00:31:14,693 --> 00:31:20,573 Speaker 3: on a Someone asked him once there was a radio 540 00:31:20,613 --> 00:31:25,733 Speaker 3: interview that I heard, Bob you were you were an opener. Uh, 541 00:31:26,293 --> 00:31:29,693 Speaker 3: you had have faced all the fasties over the years. 542 00:31:30,573 --> 00:31:35,573 Speaker 3: Who would you say, Bob was the fastest you ever faced? 543 00:31:36,213 --> 00:31:42,293 Speaker 3: Sheer speed? Bob, you know? And he sort of answered, well, 544 00:31:43,973 --> 00:31:48,453 Speaker 3: you probably won't know this name. He's a New Zealander, 545 00:31:50,133 --> 00:32:00,653 Speaker 3: Gary Bartlett. At he said was like lightning. And I 546 00:32:00,693 --> 00:32:04,413 Speaker 3: remember asking Gary when I was interviewing him for that 547 00:32:04,533 --> 00:32:09,653 Speaker 3: TV show, I said, can you remember bowling to the Aussies? 548 00:32:09,693 --> 00:32:14,133 Speaker 3: That He said, you know you have days Jeremy when 549 00:32:14,173 --> 00:32:17,333 Speaker 3: things go right in your rhythm's there And he said 550 00:32:17,413 --> 00:32:22,853 Speaker 3: I had him jump in that day and he really 551 00:32:22,893 --> 00:32:27,093 Speaker 3: remembered that. You could see his smile and came back 552 00:32:27,133 --> 00:32:31,973 Speaker 3: to him. And but you know, Simmo was he would 553 00:32:31,973 --> 00:32:35,813 Speaker 3: have faced all the bowlers wads for in England. That 554 00:32:35,853 --> 00:32:38,973 Speaker 3: would have been Titmuss and Statham and Bailey and Laker 555 00:32:39,013 --> 00:32:42,133 Speaker 3: and Locke for the for their South Africans who were 556 00:32:42,173 --> 00:32:47,573 Speaker 3: playing then still Heini and ad Cock and Pollock, Hugh Tayfield. 557 00:32:48,173 --> 00:32:50,773 Speaker 3: Then you go through interesting he played at the time 558 00:32:50,773 --> 00:32:58,453 Speaker 3: of the Chuckers, didn't he Meccas, Gordon Rourke, Tony Locke, Griffith, 559 00:32:59,133 --> 00:33:01,333 Speaker 3: all those. And yet right at the end of his 560 00:33:01,453 --> 00:33:05,573 Speaker 3: career he joined the ICC and he was very much 561 00:33:05,613 --> 00:33:09,253 Speaker 3: against the developed you know, the proliferation of people who 562 00:33:09,613 --> 00:33:13,933 Speaker 3: had bad actions and wanted to fix that and complained 563 00:33:13,973 --> 00:33:16,813 Speaker 3: about the ICC for not doing anything about it. So 564 00:33:17,453 --> 00:33:23,733 Speaker 3: he would have played all those I was We's Hall, Valentine, Ramaden, Sobers, Griffiths, Gibbs, 565 00:33:24,213 --> 00:33:28,333 Speaker 3: you know all those players. And you know, while he 566 00:33:28,413 --> 00:33:30,813 Speaker 3: struggled in the first part of his career, the second 567 00:33:30,813 --> 00:33:34,573 Speaker 3: part he kind of averaged along with Lourie. They used 568 00:33:34,573 --> 00:33:37,893 Speaker 3: to get sixty runs and innings those openers and he 569 00:33:38,053 --> 00:33:42,893 Speaker 3: was captain for thirty nine Tests. Was Bob Simpson, so 570 00:33:43,373 --> 00:33:48,293 Speaker 3: look a very key figure. I think in the game 571 00:33:48,333 --> 00:33:51,613 Speaker 3: in Australia that he built a formidable side with Border 572 00:33:51,973 --> 00:33:56,293 Speaker 3: they won that eighty seven World Cup. I think it 573 00:33:56,333 --> 00:33:59,773 Speaker 3: was in India, wasn't it India? And you know then 574 00:33:59,773 --> 00:34:04,253 Speaker 3: he got a young side and instilled the hard edge, 575 00:34:04,613 --> 00:34:08,653 Speaker 3: you know, the Steve war the Boon, the Jones now 576 00:34:08,853 --> 00:34:14,253 Speaker 3: Dean Jones, the McDermott's you know, and he made a 577 00:34:14,573 --> 00:34:17,133 Speaker 3: made a good side. So what a figure he was 578 00:34:17,733 --> 00:34:23,813 Speaker 3: in different in different times and in different you know, 579 00:34:24,333 --> 00:34:27,693 Speaker 3: parts of the game formats te Man. 580 00:34:28,493 --> 00:34:31,173 Speaker 2: YEP high score and Test Cricket three hundred and eleven 581 00:34:31,373 --> 00:34:32,133 Speaker 2: that was in. 582 00:34:32,173 --> 00:34:37,133 Speaker 3: First Test was Yeah, that was his first Test hundred 583 00:34:37,293 --> 00:34:42,573 Speaker 3: at Manchester sixty four to sixty five. Yeah, and a 584 00:34:42,653 --> 00:34:45,933 Speaker 3: drawn game nevertheless. Yeah, but he got out trying to 585 00:34:45,933 --> 00:34:47,773 Speaker 3: get on with the game. Yeah. 586 00:34:47,813 --> 00:34:49,813 Speaker 2: And he featured in the partnership of three hundred and 587 00:34:49,853 --> 00:34:53,933 Speaker 2: eighty two for the opening stand against the West Indies 588 00:34:54,493 --> 00:34:59,533 Speaker 2: in Barbados, against that much vaunted West Indies attacks three 589 00:34:59,613 --> 00:35:02,293 Speaker 2: hundred and eighty two. Both he and Laurie got double hundreds. 590 00:35:02,573 --> 00:35:05,253 Speaker 2: They scored six to fifty six and I think the 591 00:35:05,293 --> 00:35:08,253 Speaker 2: West and he scored six hundred and eleven. Thanks very much, guys. 592 00:35:08,453 --> 00:35:11,693 Speaker 2: Game over a lovely man, Bob Simpson and we remember 593 00:35:11,733 --> 00:35:15,013 Speaker 2: whom finally passed away at the age of eighty nine, 594 00:35:15,653 --> 00:35:22,453 Speaker 2: sadly missed. We end this week highlighting my well messing 595 00:35:22,493 --> 00:35:29,533 Speaker 2: around in cricket media social accounts. On Facebook. There's an 596 00:35:30,093 --> 00:35:35,253 Speaker 2: account called Cricket Zone and they put up a posting 597 00:35:35,653 --> 00:35:40,173 Speaker 2: New Zealand's top wicket keepers. That's why I say who 598 00:35:40,213 --> 00:35:43,693 Speaker 2: were they? They've got five pictures of them. The goat, 599 00:35:43,853 --> 00:35:49,093 Speaker 2: greatest of all time, not a goat. They've got Brendon McCallum, legend, 600 00:35:49,453 --> 00:35:55,173 Speaker 2: They've got b J. Whittling, world class, adam PERORI, iconic 601 00:35:55,733 --> 00:36:00,413 Speaker 2: Tom Blundell and great Gareth Hopkins remember him, played a 602 00:36:00,413 --> 00:36:04,813 Speaker 2: couple of games for New Zealand. I'm sorry, I disagree. 603 00:36:05,253 --> 00:36:08,013 Speaker 2: You can't pick a group of wicket keepers without the 604 00:36:08,093 --> 00:36:15,893 Speaker 2: name Smith, Petrie, Ward, Dick, Wadsworth, Lee's and the numbers 605 00:36:16,133 --> 00:36:18,893 Speaker 2: go on, where do you sit on those, Jerry, because 606 00:36:18,893 --> 00:36:22,133 Speaker 2: you've played alongside some of the great wicket keepers that 607 00:36:22,173 --> 00:36:23,613 Speaker 2: we produced in New Zealand cricket. 608 00:36:24,493 --> 00:36:31,333 Speaker 3: Yeah, I started wads with Ken Wadsworth, a very very supportive, 609 00:36:31,493 --> 00:36:35,333 Speaker 3: encouraging man. Gave to the team very positive great ball 610 00:36:35,573 --> 00:36:38,813 Speaker 3: hand eye coordination. Stood back a bit more because New 611 00:36:38,893 --> 00:36:43,133 Speaker 3: Zealand's attack in those days. You know where the two Hadleys, 612 00:36:43,213 --> 00:36:46,853 Speaker 3: Richard and Dale. He had Richard Collins, of course, he 613 00:36:46,933 --> 00:36:51,093 Speaker 3: had kids. He had Bruce Taylor, Murray Webb, those kinds 614 00:36:51,133 --> 00:36:53,933 Speaker 3: of players. So he was back behind the stumps. Hell 615 00:36:53,973 --> 00:36:58,213 Speaker 3: of a good against them and take some of the 616 00:36:58,213 --> 00:37:02,293 Speaker 3: catches he took, but he was used to also standing 617 00:37:02,373 --> 00:37:06,093 Speaker 3: up a bit. David O'Sullivan played for CD, and of 618 00:37:06,133 --> 00:37:09,373 Speaker 3: course Hedley Howard's was the New Zealand left arm spinner 619 00:37:09,413 --> 00:37:12,453 Speaker 3: in those days as well, so he is quite comfortable 620 00:37:12,453 --> 00:37:17,413 Speaker 3: with that. Then Wally Wally came along and a keeper 621 00:37:17,453 --> 00:37:19,853 Speaker 3: and a captain. Now that's not easy. You don't see 622 00:37:19,893 --> 00:37:24,013 Speaker 3: many of those tough job, great team man. Wally very 623 00:37:24,053 --> 00:37:28,213 Speaker 3: comfortable standing up with bocky embraces, and Peter Petherick member him. 624 00:37:28,733 --> 00:37:31,533 Speaker 3: Good tour of seventy six, I think in the subcontinent 625 00:37:32,253 --> 00:37:35,493 Speaker 3: as well. Yeah, but you know. And then the Smithy, 626 00:37:35,573 --> 00:37:38,493 Speaker 3: of course was the majority of the period that I played. 627 00:37:38,493 --> 00:37:41,413 Speaker 3: But I have a suspicion. A lot of people look 628 00:37:41,453 --> 00:37:44,573 Speaker 3: at the dismissals, they look at the number of catchers, 629 00:37:44,773 --> 00:37:47,933 Speaker 3: they look at the stumpings, they check their batting average 630 00:37:47,933 --> 00:37:51,813 Speaker 3: and they say, yeah, he's the goat. I'm not sure 631 00:37:51,853 --> 00:37:54,613 Speaker 3: about that. He was a good keeper and they all 632 00:37:54,693 --> 00:37:58,533 Speaker 3: the names you gave me probably were, but from my 633 00:37:58,773 --> 00:38:06,733 Speaker 3: experience I wouldn't have listed those. I personally think that 634 00:38:06,813 --> 00:38:10,013 Speaker 3: some of the names I mean Smith because I knew 635 00:38:10,453 --> 00:38:15,653 Speaker 3: and watched him. John Johnny Ward Johnny Ward, timrou You know, 636 00:38:16,093 --> 00:38:18,453 Speaker 3: he was in the nineteen fifty eight side, and they 637 00:38:18,493 --> 00:38:21,413 Speaker 3: actually named him in the in the final game of 638 00:38:21,453 --> 00:38:23,693 Speaker 3: the tour, which wasn't a Test match but was like 639 00:38:23,773 --> 00:38:26,253 Speaker 3: a fifth Test match, they named him against the New 640 00:38:26,333 --> 00:38:29,373 Speaker 3: Zealand because they thought he was so outstanding. That's over 641 00:38:29,413 --> 00:38:32,613 Speaker 3: in England and so. But I think the thing to 642 00:38:32,693 --> 00:38:36,173 Speaker 3: me is, if I can for a second, would you 643 00:38:36,253 --> 00:38:39,773 Speaker 3: regard them as the central figure in the field, the 644 00:38:39,773 --> 00:38:41,533 Speaker 3: wicket keeper, Well, I think. 645 00:38:41,493 --> 00:38:45,973 Speaker 2: People do, don't they, because they basically provide all the 646 00:38:46,013 --> 00:38:52,093 Speaker 2: info of line length, pace in terms of what's going 647 00:38:52,093 --> 00:38:54,013 Speaker 2: on out in the middle for the skipper, don't they 648 00:38:54,053 --> 00:38:58,693 Speaker 2: and the bowler. That is, to my mind, what the 649 00:38:59,333 --> 00:39:00,733 Speaker 2: partnership and pairing is about. 650 00:39:00,773 --> 00:39:04,813 Speaker 3: Isn't it absolutely the they? When you think of the 651 00:39:04,853 --> 00:39:08,933 Speaker 3: cricket transaction, say the bowler starts to the batsman, but 652 00:39:08,973 --> 00:39:13,253 Speaker 3: it's always aimed at the keeper. He has to expect 653 00:39:13,773 --> 00:39:18,373 Speaker 3: every ball of the day, every piece of action. So 654 00:39:18,533 --> 00:39:22,733 Speaker 3: that's about over five hundred deep squats a day, the 655 00:39:22,813 --> 00:39:25,933 Speaker 3: matter how hot it is, the matter how cold, and 656 00:39:26,013 --> 00:39:31,693 Speaker 3: he's holding his balance every day. In New Zealand, probably 657 00:39:31,773 --> 00:39:35,853 Speaker 3: he's the one fielder who takes probably more catches than 658 00:39:35,893 --> 00:39:40,493 Speaker 3: anyone else. The high ones off the top edge that 659 00:39:40,533 --> 00:39:44,213 Speaker 3: he has to turn and run leg side, ones going low, 660 00:39:44,773 --> 00:39:49,053 Speaker 3: diving low to the sides, and so on. Some he 661 00:39:49,093 --> 00:39:52,493 Speaker 3: gets both hands to. Some just one he's stopping. Buys 662 00:39:53,453 --> 00:39:56,733 Speaker 3: he delivers the coup de gras, and the majority of runouts. 663 00:39:57,533 --> 00:40:02,653 Speaker 3: He kind of makes a team appear good. You know, 664 00:40:02,733 --> 00:40:07,733 Speaker 3: he camouflages poor returns. He makes it look a good return. 665 00:40:08,453 --> 00:40:11,053 Speaker 3: He picks it up on the half volley. You know, 666 00:40:11,133 --> 00:40:15,253 Speaker 3: he adds a bit of color. He's tidying up all 667 00:40:15,333 --> 00:40:18,093 Speaker 3: those things. He's running up to the stumps. Most balls, 668 00:40:19,133 --> 00:40:22,693 Speaker 3: he's tidying up from defensive prods. He runs around the 669 00:40:22,733 --> 00:40:26,053 Speaker 3: batsman to do that. Even if he drops a chance, wadds. 670 00:40:26,293 --> 00:40:29,293 Speaker 3: He's got to get and remain enthusiastic about the team. 671 00:40:29,693 --> 00:40:35,373 Speaker 3: He can't waver. His sort of enthusiasm and his concentration 672 00:40:35,573 --> 00:40:39,253 Speaker 3: can't waver, even though he's sort of got a bit disappointed, 673 00:40:39,733 --> 00:40:43,053 Speaker 3: as you say. He helps the bowler, you know, encourages them. 674 00:40:43,053 --> 00:40:46,053 Speaker 3: You're hitting the gloves well today, Pow. Your wrist's looking 675 00:40:46,093 --> 00:40:49,653 Speaker 3: good from here. Your front arm looks strong. Keep it 676 00:40:49,733 --> 00:40:53,293 Speaker 3: up there. You're nice and tall. You know, he's talking 677 00:40:54,333 --> 00:40:58,213 Speaker 3: little words about movement and length to the bowler, and 678 00:40:58,333 --> 00:41:01,013 Speaker 3: I recall Smith he actually talking you and I write 679 00:41:01,013 --> 00:41:05,693 Speaker 3: in commentary in India and Paddles is one short of 680 00:41:05,693 --> 00:41:10,213 Speaker 3: his world record if you remember that eight And I 681 00:41:10,253 --> 00:41:12,813 Speaker 3: remember him having a chat to Richard at the end 682 00:41:12,893 --> 00:41:15,213 Speaker 3: of an over and looking at ball marks on the 683 00:41:15,253 --> 00:41:19,093 Speaker 3: pitch where the balls landed. Look, you're beating the you're 684 00:41:19,133 --> 00:41:22,493 Speaker 3: beating the bat paddles. But I reckon if you're another 685 00:41:22,733 --> 00:41:25,613 Speaker 3: foot up and paddles was good enough, he could change that, 686 00:41:26,253 --> 00:41:29,933 Speaker 3: and two overs later j Hadley had the world record 687 00:41:30,173 --> 00:41:33,693 Speaker 3: caught in the slips. And that's where a keeper comes 688 00:41:33,693 --> 00:41:37,493 Speaker 3: in that you don't kind of notice unless you're watching closely. 689 00:41:38,493 --> 00:41:41,973 Speaker 3: And the captain, you know how much movement, how much 690 00:41:42,013 --> 00:41:45,453 Speaker 3: movements he getting is he's hitting the hands. And sometimes 691 00:41:45,453 --> 00:41:49,093 Speaker 3: you're wanting, in fact, to get your pace bowler more wads, 692 00:41:49,773 --> 00:41:54,053 Speaker 3: and you quite deliberately say let's all move upper pace, 693 00:41:55,733 --> 00:41:58,733 Speaker 3: and the old fast bowler thinks, like, hell you are, 694 00:41:59,693 --> 00:42:02,373 Speaker 3: I'm I'm going to push them back now, and so 695 00:42:02,573 --> 00:42:05,653 Speaker 3: you get more pace from him. Those kinds of things 696 00:42:06,333 --> 00:42:08,293 Speaker 3: the keeper does, And then of course there's the bat 697 00:42:08,613 --> 00:42:11,773 Speaker 3: that we know. But look, we could go on about 698 00:42:11,853 --> 00:42:15,933 Speaker 3: keeping a long time. But I think of people like 699 00:42:17,533 --> 00:42:20,133 Speaker 3: when I was playing and when you were playing you 700 00:42:20,413 --> 00:42:24,573 Speaker 3: he was on your side, Silvery McMahon, Trevor McMahon in 701 00:42:24,613 --> 00:42:28,453 Speaker 3: the fifties. Wards, I reckon he's the oldest living Test 702 00:42:28,493 --> 00:42:33,853 Speaker 3: cricketer now, is he? You know he used to stand 703 00:42:33,893 --> 00:42:37,013 Speaker 3: up to Bruce Taylor who was playing for New Zealand yep, 704 00:42:37,933 --> 00:42:43,653 Speaker 3: and stump people down league side as you overbalanced. But 705 00:42:43,733 --> 00:42:45,653 Speaker 3: I think some of the names you know over the 706 00:42:45,693 --> 00:42:48,333 Speaker 3: Ken Wadsworth that I meant John Ward, I've mentioned again, 707 00:42:48,893 --> 00:42:52,853 Speaker 3: Eric Petrie, Ian Smith, I think I think they're just 708 00:42:52,853 --> 00:42:55,253 Speaker 3: just as equal as any of those people that you 709 00:42:55,413 --> 00:42:56,493 Speaker 3: have named. 710 00:42:56,533 --> 00:42:59,213 Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, I think you can get caught up with 711 00:42:59,293 --> 00:43:02,973 Speaker 2: the greatest of all time because everyone has done a 712 00:43:03,173 --> 00:43:06,733 Speaker 2: significant job in their era. And I suppose it is 713 00:43:07,173 --> 00:43:09,933 Speaker 2: a business of the era that you are playing because 714 00:43:10,573 --> 00:43:15,093 Speaker 2: things change, pictures change, balls change, yes, and change. But 715 00:43:15,213 --> 00:43:20,253 Speaker 2: we've been we've been well served. I would be hard 716 00:43:20,373 --> 00:43:24,613 Speaker 2: pressed to put Brendan McCullum in the greatest of all time, 717 00:43:25,613 --> 00:43:28,293 Speaker 2: but I don't know who I would put the ahead of. 718 00:43:28,453 --> 00:43:31,733 Speaker 2: I mean, the one wiki keeper I saw for being 719 00:43:31,973 --> 00:43:34,893 Speaker 2: esthetically pleasing as the keeper was adam PERORI I thought 720 00:43:34,933 --> 00:43:38,813 Speaker 2: he was an outstanding government. But you know that was 721 00:43:38,893 --> 00:43:41,213 Speaker 2: just one skill. There are so many skills involved in 722 00:43:41,293 --> 00:43:42,213 Speaker 2: keeping wicket, isn't he. 723 00:43:42,973 --> 00:43:47,613 Speaker 3: Oh yes, to keep, to keep the whole side. You know, 724 00:43:48,173 --> 00:43:51,133 Speaker 3: it's not the it's not the chin chundering. You hear 725 00:43:51,213 --> 00:43:55,293 Speaker 3: nowadays that that really matters much. We all know, come on, boys, 726 00:43:55,773 --> 00:43:58,733 Speaker 3: we're in here. Well, we're all looking to do that 727 00:43:58,893 --> 00:44:02,013 Speaker 3: actually all the time. But it's a little word here, 728 00:44:02,093 --> 00:44:04,333 Speaker 3: a little word there, as I say to the bowler, 729 00:44:04,373 --> 00:44:08,253 Speaker 3: to the captain, helping things out and keeping things going, 730 00:44:08,773 --> 00:44:12,213 Speaker 3: not just after two sessions, because any keeper can do that, 731 00:44:12,693 --> 00:44:16,653 Speaker 3: but after five, after five in the field and it's 732 00:44:16,733 --> 00:44:22,533 Speaker 3: and it's bloody hot or in still absolutely so. Look, 733 00:44:23,413 --> 00:44:26,253 Speaker 3: I'm I'm a bit like you. I don't like having 734 00:44:26,333 --> 00:44:31,253 Speaker 3: these these titles that people want to give too keepers. 735 00:44:31,453 --> 00:44:33,373 Speaker 3: They all do the work, they do it the best 736 00:44:33,373 --> 00:44:35,853 Speaker 3: they can. They're just doing their best, the same as 737 00:44:35,893 --> 00:44:36,653 Speaker 3: everybody else. 738 00:44:37,013 --> 00:44:39,493 Speaker 2: All Right, we'll end that discussion there, and I'm just 739 00:44:39,533 --> 00:44:45,773 Speaker 2: putting aside the best second slippers that New Zealand and 740 00:44:46,453 --> 00:44:49,613 Speaker 2: see if I can get any or people to come 741 00:44:49,653 --> 00:44:50,093 Speaker 2: forward with. 742 00:44:50,093 --> 00:44:53,693 Speaker 3: Those Bob Simpson was so good he would take second slippers. 743 00:44:53,733 --> 00:44:57,013 Speaker 2: Well yeah, and I'm talking about this he didn't. 744 00:44:57,333 --> 00:44:58,493 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, yeah. 745 00:44:58,293 --> 00:45:00,973 Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah, think about that, Jerry. I might see 746 00:45:00,973 --> 00:45:02,853 Speaker 2: if we can find something out over there. 747 00:45:03,133 --> 00:45:04,773 Speaker 3: Hey, well I've got a suggestion. 748 00:45:07,813 --> 00:45:11,173 Speaker 2: Okay, what's save them for next week? Right? I get 749 00:45:11,173 --> 00:45:13,813 Speaker 2: the Financial Times out mate, and keep off the social 750 00:45:14,533 --> 00:45:15,613 Speaker 2: cricket web pages. 751 00:45:15,653 --> 00:45:18,493 Speaker 3: All right, I will, mate, I will thank you very much, 752 00:45:18,533 --> 00:45:23,333 Speaker 3: and I'm looking forward. I'm heading back your way next week. 753 00:45:23,453 --> 00:45:26,413 Speaker 3: So it's been good time over here, seeing some good 754 00:45:26,453 --> 00:45:30,853 Speaker 3: cricket with India and England and and some not so 755 00:45:30,933 --> 00:45:34,973 Speaker 3: good cricket at times. That's always the way. But looking 756 00:45:35,013 --> 00:45:35,853 Speaker 3: forward to coming home. 757 00:45:36,533 --> 00:45:40,493 Speaker 2: Look, weather has been lovely summer's day in Wellington and 758 00:45:40,533 --> 00:45:42,493 Speaker 2: we've had a few of them over the last few days. 759 00:45:42,533 --> 00:45:44,853 Speaker 2: So you know, if it feels like that and Wellington, 760 00:45:44,853 --> 00:45:47,053 Speaker 2: that must be good around the country. Good trip, handel, 761 00:45:48,613 --> 00:45:49,533 Speaker 2: sleep well. 762 00:45:49,253 --> 00:45:51,773 Speaker 3: You'll be good ones. Just get out and do those lawns. Boy, 763 00:45:51,813 --> 00:45:54,373 Speaker 3: I know what's there like on the egg like that 764 00:45:54,493 --> 00:45:57,373 Speaker 3: you have to get one league long and the obum exactly. 765 00:45:58,493 --> 00:46:00,653 Speaker 3: Good trip home, hate all right, take. 766 00:46:00,533 --> 00:46:00,773 Speaker 1: Care of. 767 00:46:03,413 --> 00:46:03,853 Speaker 2: Summer. 768 00:46:10,613 --> 00:46:13,253 Speaker 1: For more from News Talk set B listen live on 769 00:46:13,333 --> 00:46:16,333 Speaker 1: air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever 770 00:46:16,373 --> 00:46:18,933 Speaker 1: you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio