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Speaker 8: Well, A very good morning and welcome along to the
Speaker 8: Resident Builder on Sunday. You're with me, Peter wolf Camp,
Speaker 8: the Resident Builder, and this is an opportunity to talk
Speaker 8: all things building and construction. And can I say right
Speaker 8: now in terms of the I guess the political, the governmental,
Speaker 8: the regulatory side of things. Announcements are coming thick and
Speaker 8: fast from the current government around a whole bunch of
Speaker 8: building issues and even in the last forty eight or so,
Speaker 8: quite a big story about the maximum size of a
Speaker 8: granny flat that can be built in the backyard of
Speaker 8: an existing property has been settled on at around at
Speaker 8: seventy square meters. There's a lot to unpack it just
Speaker 8: in that story alone. On top of recent announcements, A
Speaker 8: couple of days prior to that, Chris Penk did a
Speaker 8: couple of little videos talking about cowboy builders and what
Speaker 8: they hope to be able to do around lbps that
Speaker 8: are not performing particularly well. So that's a whole new topic.
Speaker 8: Prior to that was announcements about the government sort of
Speaker 8: having an oversight into the effectiveness the efficiency of building
Speaker 8: consent authorities basically councils, and how they process building consents.
Speaker 8: It's been identified that that's often a bit of a
Speaker 8: source for some delay in terms of getting new houses
Speaker 8: or renovations done. Is it takes too long to get
Speaker 8: a building consent, so it's just announcement upon announcement, upon
Speaker 8: announcement upon announcements. A lot of that is I think
Speaker 8: really good in the sense that we're moving, but there's
Speaker 8: quite a lot to it, and there's a bit to
Speaker 8: unpick and who better to talk to about these things
Speaker 8: than the Minister himself. So Chris Pink is going to
Speaker 8: join me on the program after eight o'clock, fairly briefly,
Speaker 8: because I've said to him, let's just talk about the
Speaker 8: BCAS and now we'll talk a little bit about this
Speaker 8: announcement about Cowboy Builders, and then we will actually get
Speaker 8: him back into the studio in maybe a month's time
Speaker 8: or so and do some talk back. So he's happy
Speaker 8: to take your calls in about a month's time, so
Speaker 8: we'll do that. But today on the program after eight o'clock,
Speaker 8: the Minister for Building and Construction, Chris Pink, will be
Speaker 8: on the line and we'll have a bit of a
Speaker 8: chat about a couple of things, particularly BCAS. Between now
Speaker 8: and then. Obviously it's an opportunity for you to have
Speaker 8: your say and to talk about issues that are important
Speaker 8: to you in terms of construction, renovations, alterations, maybe legislations,
Speaker 8: maybe product selection. There is a lot to talk about,
Speaker 8: and of course today we're we're all bouncing around. I
Speaker 8: woke at my normal time about sort of five o'clock
Speaker 8: in the morning without the alarm and thought, oh goody,
Speaker 8: I've got an extra hours sleep. So yes, it is
Speaker 8: daylight saving or we've moved out of daylight saving back
Speaker 8: into regular time, so it's eleven minutes after six or
Speaker 8: coming up eleven minutes after six. We can take your
Speaker 8: calls right now. So oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty
Speaker 8: is the number you can text. Of course, that's nine
Speaker 8: two nine two, And if you'd like to email me,
Speaker 8: it is Pete at newstalk SDB dot co dot N
Speaker 8: said so at just after eleven minutes after six on
Speaker 8: this the sixth day of April. What's on your mind?
Speaker 8: What are you thinking about? I was down in Tolpool
Speaker 8: yesterday for the Home and Garden Show. I shot down
Speaker 8: on Friday in kind of quite miserable conditions to be
Speaker 8: fair for much of the Upper North Island, so a
Speaker 8: slow trip tootling along down to Toulpo, stayed overnight, had
Speaker 8: an event on Friday night, spent quite a bit of
Speaker 8: time at the Home and Garden Show, which is on
Speaker 8: at the Great Lake Center still on today. Actually it'll
Speaker 8: be a much more pleasant day today than it was
Speaker 8: on Friday. Yesterday was pretty good as well, beautiful sunshine
Speaker 8: just to completely from when I went to bed, when
Speaker 8: I woke up and I was staying quite near the
Speaker 8: lake front. Completely different outset or outlook from the window.
Speaker 8: So beautiful day in Tolpo yesterday, but an opportunity to
Speaker 8: talk to a whole bunch of people, whether it was
Speaker 8: like there was a bunch of exhibitors, a couple of
Speaker 8: people involved in housing companies, and just being able to
Speaker 8: have conversations around you know, what does the market look like,
Speaker 8: what's happening with your clients? Where what are clients wanting.
Speaker 8: There's a couple of people there involved. I had a
Speaker 8: bit of time with Ian Chamberlain, who's running a small
Speaker 8: ishue a reasonably large building company out of Tolpo, and
Speaker 8: he's involved with New Zealand certified builders as well, so
Speaker 8: we had quite a good catch up around what client
Speaker 8: expectations are in terms of are we seeing people moving
Speaker 8: towards making more informed decisions around building energy efficient homes,
Speaker 8: building more sustainable homes, looking for air tightness, looking for
Speaker 8: air quality, thinking about the thermal performance of the home,
Speaker 8: or are we still seeing people just wanting what we've
Speaker 8: always had. So that was interesting to talk about changes
Speaker 8: in legislation, talk about the impact of what's self certification
Speaker 8: going to look like for the industry, what's going to
Speaker 8: happen when, as was announced on Friday, potentially you can
Speaker 8: build seventy square meters. Seventy square meters is not a
Speaker 8: small building. Some years ago we lived in a little
Speaker 8: bricantile unit and that was fifty square meters and we
Speaker 8: lived there for a number of years. So seventy square
Speaker 8: meters in the without necessarily requiring a building consent is
Speaker 8: quite a big building with no oversight from council. So
Speaker 8: that that's a whole topic to unpack with the minister.
Speaker 8: But I'm going to park that for now and just
Speaker 8: focus on the topics that we'd agreed to talk about.
Speaker 8: But like I say, the Minister at Chris Pink wants
Speaker 8: to come back into the studio, I'd like to come
Speaker 8: in and have a chat with you. So we're going
Speaker 8: to do some talk back within a month, I would say,
Speaker 8: I'll get that sorted out today, right, let's get into it.
Speaker 8: It's because we're all up and about. It's daylight savings ended,
Speaker 8: so we're all ahead of our sales by an hour.
Speaker 8: Our eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
Speaker 8: to call. You can call right now. We've got a
Speaker 8: couple of interviews to do during the show. Red Climb
Speaker 8: passed as always, will join us at eight thirty as well,
Speaker 8: and we've got a bit of a giveaway as well,
Speaker 8: just quietly, so we'll do that with it at around
Speaker 8: eight thirty through till nine o'clock this morning. So a
Speaker 8: very good morning to you. Welcome along to the show.
Speaker 8: Let's get stuck in anything that you'd like to talk
Speaker 8: about with regard to building construction regulations, product product selection compliance.
Speaker 8: It's all on the table. We can talk about it all. Oh,
Speaker 8: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty before the break, A
Speaker 8: couple of quick texts, Oh, this is a good one
Speaker 8: from Doug and Taranaki. Hey Pete, is it all right
Speaker 8: if I get a sparky to run power to an
Speaker 8: unconsented pole shed? Thanks? Love the show. Not appreciate you
Speaker 8: calling or texting Doug. Yes, I don't see why you're
Speaker 8: electrician can't run power obviously. See this is the interesting
Speaker 8: thing with electricians. Gas fitter is electricians and gas fitter
Speaker 8: is prenominantly they are self certifying, right, so they need
Speaker 8: to comply with the regulations, but they then regulate themselves
Speaker 8: or they have to ensure that their work is compliant
Speaker 8: so in terms of doing it to code and to
Speaker 8: the appropriate standards. So yes, they could do it. But
Speaker 8: for example, if it is going to be run out there,
Speaker 8: is it going to go overhead, in which case I'm
Speaker 8: sure there's regulations about that. Is it going to go
Speaker 8: underground in case then there are definitely regulations around how
Speaker 8: deep the trench has to be, what type of cable
Speaker 8: goes into it, whether it needs to be in conduit, etc.
Speaker 8: Do you put in a sub board into the shed,
Speaker 8: which is again I'm not a sparky, but I certainly
Speaker 8: would so I'd run a decent sized mane out there,
Speaker 8: put a subboard in there, and then whatever wiring has
Speaker 8: done inside the shed would need to be appropriate, and
Speaker 8: you'd probably want to put an extra breaker on the
Speaker 8: board inside the house to ensure that all of that's
Speaker 8: just on one circuit. But yeah, I mean, look, if
Speaker 8: you're sparky, your electrician is prepared to do it, and
Speaker 8: they do it according to their own regulations, then yes,
Speaker 8: absolutely you can do that. There's no one to go
Speaker 8: to consent get that done. Basically, I'm moving into a
Speaker 8: new house before the final inspection, still needs some decks
Speaker 8: to complete. Is it the contract works insurance will need
Speaker 8: to modify or to get another policy through our normal insurer. Well,
Speaker 8: perfect timing for your question, Nick, because I had the
Speaker 8: opportunity to spend quite a bit of time discussing the
Speaker 8: sorts of insurances that you need for renovations and new
Speaker 8: builds with an insurance specialist during the course of the week.
Speaker 8: And to be fair, I would have thought that moving
Speaker 8: in before a new house, like you've obviously moved in
Speaker 8: but you haven't settled, because a developer is effectively not
Speaker 8: allowed to sell a house without a code of compliance,
Speaker 8: and you won't have a code of compliance if you
Speaker 8: haven't had a final inspection. So are you moving in
Speaker 8: and renting or are you moving in and you've purchased it,
Speaker 8: but you've purchased a new house from a developer without
Speaker 8: a code of compliance. Just for clarity, you can buy
Speaker 8: an existing house. This my understanding. You can buy an
Speaker 8: existing house if it doesn't have a code of compliance.
Speaker 8: Let's say it had a consent from a couple of
Speaker 8: years ago and never got signed off and it didn't
Speaker 8: get CCC. You can buy that. But developers who are
Speaker 8: building to sell must have a code of compliance before
Speaker 8: they sell that property. So I think there might be
Speaker 8: a little bit more in that question than a peers.
Speaker 8: We will take a short break. We're going to jump
Speaker 8: into the calls in just a moment. If you'd like
Speaker 8: to join us. I'd love to hear from you this morning,
Speaker 8: as I do every Sunday morning. Eight hundred and eighty
Speaker 8: ten eighty is the number to court. Might be too
Speaker 8: early to do a little shout out too. A delightful
Speaker 8: couple that I met yesterday tootling back from Topo. There's
Speaker 8: State Highway one north of Topo is closed for repairs
Speaker 8: or rebuilding, and I did all these detours on my
Speaker 8: way down, and on the way back I thought, I'm
Speaker 8: not going to bother with the detours. I'll just do
Speaker 8: a big loop sort of through a keynot kihi kihi
Speaker 8: tawamutu o'halpo and round the back of Hamilton, join up
Speaker 8: sort of a round Frankton there, which was a lovely
Speaker 8: drive through the countryside to be fair. And as I
Speaker 8: was going through Halpo, I saw a little store on
Speaker 8: the side that had electic curiosities or electic antiques I
Speaker 8: think it's called and thought oh, that sounds like a
Speaker 8: bit of me. So wanderdon had a mooch around. Fantastic
Speaker 8: little and I love antique stores, secondhand stores, so they
Speaker 8: had a mooch around, and on my way out said
Speaker 8: thank you very much, enjoy the store, and got talking
Speaker 8: to the owners who were just delightful, I have to say,
Speaker 8: and we knew some people and da da dah. It
Speaker 8: was great fun. Anyway. So ohipo. It's on the main
Speaker 8: road as you go through. Fantastic little store and just
Speaker 8: the most delightful owners as well. So thanks for your
Speaker 8: time yesterday. Really enjoyed the store, RIGHTO. Nineteen minutes after six,
Speaker 8: the lines are open. Let's take a break, then we'll
Speaker 8: come back. We're into it. Oh eight hundred and eighty
Speaker 8: teen eighty the number helping.
Speaker 1: You get those di wipe projects done. Right to the
Speaker 1: resident builder with Beata Wolfcat call us talk zb righty.
Speaker 8: Oh a quick text just before we rip into it morning, Pete,
Speaker 8: you said no oversight by council. My reaction to that
Speaker 8: is that's good to get them out of the picture.
Speaker 8: I've spent over thirty years in the industry as a
Speaker 8: small player, but I've always found counsel to be heavily
Speaker 8: bureaucratic and stifling. Many projects I've wanted to do have
Speaker 8: been ruined or blocked by a myroad of reasons. Thank you, David.
Speaker 8: And to be fair, I spent a bit of last
Speaker 8: night reading through a very well informed, very well thought
Speaker 8: out response to the possibility of sort of seventy square
Speaker 8: meter granny flats being built without the involvement of council
Speaker 8: and all of the concerns about that. So I think
Speaker 8: this is going to be a good little battleground for
Speaker 8: quite a while for those people in favor and those
Speaker 8: people deeply concerned about the possibility that you know, significant
Speaker 8: because seventy square meters is not small, right, and being
Speaker 8: built without necessarily with all of the responsibility being put
Speaker 8: onto the individuals involved who might not be completely competent. Possibly,
Speaker 8: But hey, look, I take your point, and I appreciate you.
Speaker 8: Call Pete. Good morning to you. Hello, Pink, Hey, now
Speaker 8: are you very well in yourself?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 6: Wonderful?
Speaker 8: Good?
Speaker 6: Even better after an extra our sleep. Yeah, Peter, I've
Speaker 6: just moved into a new property just north of Levin
Speaker 6: and had the opportunity now with a wonderful north facing
Speaker 6: aspect to put some smaller panels on the roof of
Speaker 6: this house and viewing this process as an investment in
Speaker 6: that the one proposal I've had suggests that I should
Speaker 6: get about ten return on the investment in solar panels,
Speaker 6: not including a battery at the stage. But I've seen
Speaker 6: a recent video about longer term problems with the installation
Speaker 6: process of the panels on various styles of roof in
Speaker 6: particular tile roofs, where over time there is a very
Speaker 6: fine line between getting the height right of the bracket
Speaker 6: in between the tiles and where it's attached to the
Speaker 6: i'll call it the rafters, and the amount of force
Speaker 6: that can either crack tiles or leave gaps that will
Speaker 6: allow water to run by capillary action back up and
Speaker 6: cause leaks. The particular roof on this house is a
Speaker 6: metal tile roof, And I'm just wondering, if you've come
Speaker 6: across this problem, if you have any advice on what
Speaker 6: I should be asking installers about in terms of what
Speaker 6: they're going to do in terms of making sure we
Speaker 6: don't get long term leeks.
Speaker 8: Yeah. Sure, no, really good question and good to have
Speaker 8: those concerns, because I guess you know, if you're looking
Speaker 8: at kind of more conventional long run, whether it's a
Speaker 8: corrugated profile or a trim deck or a trade deck
Speaker 8: or whatever, where we're kind of used to working with
Speaker 8: those sorts of profiles. Whereas when you say metal tile,
Speaker 8: is it a like Gerrard fairly recent? Metal tile is
Speaker 8: an older dechromastic roof what's the vintage of that?
Speaker 6: It's the vintage is probably about nineteen twenty four, and
Speaker 6: it's the Sorry, what am I talking about? Two thousand
Speaker 6: and going to.
Speaker 8: Say nineteen twenty four? I don't think so, but anyway, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 8: so it's a bit later than that.
Speaker 6: My apologies, you're not working at the morning yet. Sure,
Speaker 6: so that should have read two thousand and four. So
Speaker 6: the house is about one years old?
Speaker 8: Yeah, all right, And so the metal tile profile doesn't
Speaker 8: have the stone chip embedded in them? No, okay, yep.
Speaker 8: I guess the challenge for that is if you fix
Speaker 8: through the pan, which is closest to the baton underneath,
Speaker 8: then you're also fixing where the water is going to be.
Speaker 8: Fixing through the rib on the top is depending on
Speaker 8: exactly the profile, So some of them sort of have
Speaker 8: the pan and then it rises then there's a little
Speaker 8: dip and then a crest and then a dip and
Speaker 8: then it goes down into the next pan. So it's
Speaker 8: like three ridges in a row with two troughs. Now,
Speaker 8: that's the strongest part of the tile, the metal profile tile,
Speaker 8: but it's also very difficult to seal that because you've
Speaker 8: got those little grooves in it. Look, I think really
Speaker 8: it's the sort of thing that when the installer comes,
Speaker 8: you've obviously, I think the great thing is you've identified
Speaker 8: a real, a genuine issue in terms of how are
Speaker 8: you going to seal the roof? Right. So again, if
Speaker 8: we're talking more conventional long run profiles, whether it's corrugated
Speaker 8: where you've got a smooth transfer between ridge and trough
Speaker 8: and so on, we know that if we fix through
Speaker 8: the top and we put an EDPM washer or a
Speaker 8: neoprene RuSHA underneath the fixings, that will seal the penetration.
Speaker 8: And because it's on the top border tends to run off. Absolutely,
Speaker 8: you know that's the thing. Whereas that's not the case.
Speaker 8: So look, there will be a solution for it, but
Speaker 8: you've you've got to well, you will ask the right
Speaker 8: questions and you'll also you know, be. You can judge
Speaker 8: it for yourself as to whether or not you feel
Speaker 8: at the person giving you the answer actually really knows
Speaker 8: what they're talking about.
Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, So, having been in the aluminium joinery manufacturing
Speaker 6: and installation business myself some years ago, I'm just wondering
Speaker 6: if there's any standard that appliers, any best practice that
Speaker 6: appliers that could be used to say, hey, how are
Speaker 6: you complying with us?
Speaker 8: It's a very good question actually, look to be fair,
Speaker 8: I spent quite a bit of time with a solar
Speaker 8: installer at the home show yesterday in Telpo, and I've
Speaker 8: got a sort of follow up meeting booked with them
Speaker 8: sometime in the next couple of weeks. So, but whether
Speaker 8: or not there is a code of practice or a
Speaker 8: best practice guide for solar installation, I'm not sure whether
Speaker 8: there's like a solar installers association, you know, but like
Speaker 8: roofing Association or something like that. To you, blunt, I'm
Speaker 8: not sure. I'm sure that each of them have their
Speaker 8: own sort of you know, standard operating procedures. This is
Speaker 8: what we do in this roof, this is what we
Speaker 8: do in another one. Whether there is an agreed code
Speaker 8: to be fair. I don't know, no one's ever asked
Speaker 8: me the question, but I'm happy to look into it. Yeah,
Speaker 8: I need to move on, but just quickly, you talk
Speaker 8: about a ten percent return, how do you what's the
Speaker 8: metric for that? How do you determine that?
Speaker 6: Okay, so you're looking at about and I'll just use
Speaker 6: very rough term figures here, you're looking at about a
Speaker 6: capital investment of about twenty thousand dollars approximately, and in
Speaker 6: terms of a return, it is a reduction in your
Speaker 6: power bill of about two thousand dollars a year kense
Speaker 6: year return.
Speaker 8: Although you've got the you've got to repay the capital investment.
Speaker 6: So yeah, I think of it more in the way
Speaker 6: if you buy shares in the share market, you make
Speaker 6: a capital investment in those shares, and you're looking for
Speaker 6: an expected return in terms of dividends and capital gain.
Speaker 8: Yeah, fair enough, I get that.
Speaker 6: So again, this is the same sort of point. So
Speaker 6: it's it does make lot of sense in terms of
Speaker 6: with you use someone else's money or whether you use
Speaker 6: your own money. It's still an investment as such. I'll
Speaker 6: tell you what I'm setting inside the fact.
Speaker 8: What I found really fascinating with the whole soular thing
Speaker 8: is that you know, I can recall being involved in
Speaker 8: their installation, let's say fifteen or even twenty years ago, right,
Speaker 8: And at that point, one of the real issues was
Speaker 8: that typically it was about seven to ten years before
Speaker 8: you got your money back on your investment, right, so
Speaker 8: the savings paid for the investment and thereafter effectively was
Speaker 8: free power. But back then, what I found is that
Speaker 8: the panels often had a lifetime of about seven to
Speaker 8: ten years, in which case just at the point that
Speaker 8: you were getting some money back on them, they'd basically
Speaker 8: turn their toes up and you'd have to replace them,
Speaker 8: which I always thought that's not a great investment. But
Speaker 8: and I was looking at some panels yesterday, thirty year
Speaker 8: warranty on the panels, and after thirty years they'll be
Speaker 8: performing at eighty two percent or something like that. So
Speaker 8: that that's in and of itself, the efficiency and the
Speaker 8: longevity of the panels, I think changes the metric quite significantly.
Speaker 8: And look, I tell you what I will. I will
Speaker 8: make sure that I mentioned to James, who I'm going
Speaker 8: to catch up with to talk about that, and when
Speaker 8: I do, I'll mention it. And if you've got some
Speaker 8: more information, feel free to give us a call back. Pete,
Speaker 8: thank you very very much for your call. Oh eight
Speaker 8: hundred and eighty ten eighty six thirty two, and Bob,
Speaker 8: good morning, good.
Speaker 5: Morning, good morning. I would just like the comparison between
Speaker 5: real wood in an older home with you know, of
Speaker 5: the flooring, as opposed to artificial or stuff that you
Speaker 5: buy from the flooring shop, which would wear and tear better.
Speaker 2: Ah. Okay, I've been into.
Speaker 5: An older home. It's had beautiful wooden flooring beautifully done,
Speaker 5: and it's gone very scratchy, very marked, And how often
Speaker 5: would you need to re do that as opposed to
Speaker 5: stuff that's I presume it's artificial and that you lay
Speaker 5: directly onto the concrete floor that you're going to put
Speaker 5: in this home, right, craky.
Speaker 8: I mean, there's there's so many different elements there, and
Speaker 8: some of it might start with esthetics.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 8: So, if for example, it's an existing older home, you
Speaker 8: know any eear up to sort of the nineteen fifties,
Speaker 8: typically we did strip flooring. Whether that was if you
Speaker 8: go back to villas, they were typically cowry. If you
Speaker 8: go into bungalows, they start to be matti. If you
Speaker 8: go into sort of nineteen forties, nineteen fifties, they'll often
Speaker 8: be remoove and so on and so forth. Then we
Speaker 8: kind of ran out of native timber and stopped analong
Speaker 8: came particle board. So you know, if it's in a
Speaker 8: house and you've got all that character there, then yes,
Speaker 8: often you know, pull up the carpet, sand the floors,
Speaker 8: and you've got beautiful native timber flooring. What I've found,
Speaker 8: and I'm in this situation as well, We've done two
Speaker 8: sands of the floor. I can't sand my floor anymore.
Speaker 8: So if when this particular coating comes to the end
Speaker 8: of its life, I don't really have too many options
Speaker 8: apart from overlaying. I did another little project in fact
Speaker 8: that projects up on YouTube at the moment, where we
Speaker 8: had an older house that had a mixture of sort
Speaker 8: of native timber floors from the original house then a
Speaker 8: concrete extension, and so we overlaid and used an engineered
Speaker 8: wood product, which was you know, a board that was
Speaker 8: a laminated board and it had a finished surface on
Speaker 8: the top in this case, and was it Matt French oak.
Speaker 8: And so we lay that over the entire floor and
Speaker 8: that's down for about five or six years, and that's
Speaker 8: been remarkably durable. But those floors will scratch and have
Speaker 8: wear and tear on them as well.
Speaker 5: That last one, was that a floating floor or was
Speaker 5: that direct to the concrete.
Speaker 8: It does have an option of being fixed as a
Speaker 8: floating one, but because we had old timber floor and
Speaker 8: plywood repairs and concrete all at the same level, I
Speaker 8: opted to have that direct fixed down, So we glued
Speaker 8: that one down.
Speaker 5: So how bad you know? In five years? Are you
Speaker 5: happy with the wear and tear? I mean, is it
Speaker 5: a hard area where like a kitchen dining area it
Speaker 5: goes from.
Speaker 8: The front door, through the hallway, through the lounge into
Speaker 8: the kitchen area, and then out to the bifold doors
Speaker 8: that go out into the rear yard. So yeah, it
Speaker 8: gets a fair amount of wear and tear, but by
Speaker 8: and lunch, I'm reasonably happy with it.
Speaker 2: So I think.
Speaker 8: I think the thing is, you know, if you're going
Speaker 8: for timber, timber is always a little now, whether that's
Speaker 8: an engineered floor or a natural floor, there's always going
Speaker 8: to be wear and tears. So you know, if you
Speaker 8: can be really disciplined around saying well, look, I'm not
Speaker 8: going to wear hard shoes inside the house. It will
Speaker 8: wear better, UV if you.
Speaker 5: Let dogs dogs in the house.
Speaker 8: No, no, no, no, no dogs. I mean, look we're
Speaker 8: at home. We've got a cat, and the cat scratches
Speaker 8: the floor, right, you know, charging around, playing games and
Speaker 8: that sort of thing, so they wear right. Timber floors wear,
Speaker 8: you know, if you're really after durability. In fact, on
Speaker 8: the same project, I did a little cabin at the
Speaker 8: back and I used timber lock tiles. So that's super
Speaker 8: hard wearing, right, But at first glance it looks like timber,
Speaker 8: so that that's an option in terms of the vinyls
Speaker 8: because there are there are timber effect vinyl planking as well,
Speaker 8: which might be a little bit hard, harder wearing, and
Speaker 8: in some cases it's it's not easy, but it is repairable,
Speaker 8: as in, you know, if you had some damage, let's
Speaker 8: say you dropped a pan in the in the kitchen
Speaker 8: and then it damaged the surface and you had some
Speaker 8: left over, a suitably skilled person could replace that and
Speaker 8: install it. So if it is going to be a
Speaker 8: hard wearing area, you might look at a vinyl because
Speaker 8: it's repaarable. That's an option, right, Okay, you know, everything
Speaker 8: wears right, it just depends on.
Speaker 5: How much than the manufactured stuff. Would you say that
Speaker 5: as an argument.
Speaker 8: I probably would, but I wouldn't say it in such
Speaker 8: a way that you go, gosh, I wouldn't. I wouldn't
Speaker 8: contemplate a timber surface because there's there's a warmth about
Speaker 8: it and a feel to them as well, which you know,
Speaker 8: you offset that with some of the r ability. I mean,
Speaker 8: if you really want durability, you'd go for tiles or
Speaker 8: you know, something like that. But then you might not
Speaker 8: want that because it feels cold underfoot, or it's too
Speaker 8: hard or something like that.
Speaker 5: So yeah, break breaks too many plates.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, I've always wondered about that, you know, because
Speaker 9: I know, we used to do quite a lot of
Speaker 9: houses and we'd tile the kitchen right, and people will go, no,
Speaker 9: I don't want tiles in the kitchen because if I
Speaker 9: dropped something, it'll break.
Speaker 8: And I'm thinking, you know, I figure that if you
Speaker 8: drop a glass onto a timber floor, it's going to
Speaker 8: break almost the same as if you dropped it onto
Speaker 8: a tile floor. I don't know that that's I'd love
Speaker 8: to test that. Actually, if you've got a set of
Speaker 8: glasses that you don't want. I'll do my own testing.
Speaker 8: A nice to chat with you. Good luck with all
Speaker 8: of those decisions. Take care bother. We'll take a short break.
Speaker 8: We'll talk to Steve after the break. If you'd like
Speaker 8: to join us, we've got lines free for you right now.
Speaker 8: On this our first day back into regular time. Let's
Speaker 8: say so it'll be a bit brighter in the mornings,
Speaker 8: but it'll be it'll be a terrible shock to the
Speaker 8: system tonight at about what's six thirty or so when
Speaker 8: the sun goes down at eight hundred and eighty eight
Speaker 8: the number to.
Speaker 1: Call it what God was, but maybe called Pete. First,
Speaker 1: you will get the resident Builder news talks.
Speaker 8: They'd be some fantastic texts, but we'll we'll talk to
Speaker 8: Steve first. Hello, Steve, good morning, morning morning.
Speaker 10: I'm ringing from PARMI.
Speaker 11: Nice day to day.
Speaker 10: Look, I've got a two hundred and approx. Two hundred
Speaker 10: and teen square made a double story home that was
Speaker 10: built in the nineteen nineties. Had someone come around to
Speaker 10: check the fireplate. I've got a box fire and my
Speaker 10: sport yep and it's been smoking about the last probably
Speaker 10: two or three years. To be honest and I wanted
Speaker 10: to get a checked before I before winter settled in sure,
Speaker 10: I thought I thought the battles might be crooked something. Anyway,
Speaker 10: a guy comes around who is a guest that I think,
Speaker 10: but they too far and he had a quick looking
Speaker 10: sultan sit here alarms at crack been there, Yeah, I
Speaker 10: noticed it a couple of years ago. He condemned it. Yeah,
Speaker 10: which is when he explained it all, and I was
Speaker 10: I was really happy with that because on the house.
Speaker 6: To bend down.
Speaker 10: But he talked about and reading My question to you
Speaker 10: is now we left with it's a big lambs living
Speaker 10: area which has closed off from another living area which
Speaker 10: is a heat pump. And there's this whole thing of
Speaker 10: replacing the fire with the fluid that goes through into
Speaker 10: the second story and used to not heat that up
Speaker 10: as well versus electric you know, heat pump and the
Speaker 10: other the thing. The other thing I'll statement I make
Speaker 10: is he little bit confused because he talked about having
Speaker 10: to change locks on doors around the house replacing fire
Speaker 10: because of the new compliance rules, like you know, he
Speaker 10: had to look at all my exits and so those
Speaker 10: locks would be suitable if we put a new fire
Speaker 10: box because of regulations now, so anyway, I'll leave it.
Speaker 8: I'll look into that. You know, it's it's quite possible
Speaker 8: at rules. So was that around egress as in you're
Speaker 8: not okay? So it's not about people being able to
Speaker 8: get into the space. I'm thinking like the pool fencing, right,
Speaker 8: so you can't let little ones into around the pool.
Speaker 8: But this is if you're going to have an open fire. Well,
Speaker 8: it's not even an open fire, it's.
Speaker 10: Another just to put another because I'm just looking at
Speaker 10: the replacement. I looked at a simple replacement of flifting
Speaker 10: kill of what mass sport box again into the area
Speaker 10: which is all bricked and tiled.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 10: Anyway, when you talk about all these egresses having to
Speaker 10: be looked at and bolts coming off, slide indoors and
Speaker 10: all that, I started to think, well, there's to be
Speaker 10: a rocket science.
Speaker 8: Okay, So well let's put that to one side. What
Speaker 8: are you thinking about doing with the fireplace because obviously
Speaker 8: you can't use it given that it's probably unsafe if
Speaker 8: it's got a great big crack in it, can you
Speaker 8: I'm thinking too that if you were to pull it
Speaker 8: out and put another one, and you will need to
Speaker 8: go for a building consent for that as well. Counsel
Speaker 8: want to know about these sorts of things.
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's right, Yeah, yeah, and I guess yes, and
Speaker 10: that he probably off the top of his head, said,
Speaker 10: you properly ban get much change out of ten thousand.
Speaker 8: In terms of for the whole project, for the whole program.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, I mean I've got some Yeah. It doesn't
Speaker 10: need a seck of fluid triple flue they call them
Speaker 10: now to go up through the second story, So there's
Speaker 10: extra costs there. But I'm just weighing up where whether
Speaker 10: I get a cheap pump in the area, you know
Speaker 10: good follows by seven killer what peat pump and be
Speaker 10: done with it?
Speaker 8: What would you do with the fireplace? Just kind of
Speaker 8: turn it into a decoration?
Speaker 10: Well, I suggested that my son and the yea rather
Speaker 10: has expive coming out. Yeah he is an electrician entry
Speaker 10: but doesn't live in the same tilS were however, Yeah,
Speaker 10: probably his suggestion was just pull down the bricks, do it,
Speaker 10: or you and make them do up the lounge and
Speaker 10: make a new corner for yourself and do something hideous
Speaker 10: with the corner.
Speaker 8: A bit of a challenge, isn't it. I tell you
Speaker 8: what the other option is and I will give a
Speaker 8: plug to these guys because I was in their factory
Speaker 8: not long ago. Sear Fires E s ce A is
Speaker 8: ce A. It's a Dunedin based so obviously a local
Speaker 8: New Zealand based fire manufacture. They do gas fires, they
Speaker 8: do timber fires. They also do interestingly enough, electric fires
Speaker 8: with effectively a hologram. Now, I know that that might
Speaker 8: sound tacky, but I've seen them and they're pretty good.
Speaker 8: I'm just thinking about you know, if you've got the
Speaker 8: scrape of opening, you've got the whole houses designed around
Speaker 8: a fireplace basically, or that room will be. You pull
Speaker 8: that one out, you put in an electric one, do
Speaker 8: some minor trimmings around the edge. Bingo, You've still got
Speaker 8: the heating and you've got the appearance and you don't
Speaker 8: have to worry about flues and fire regulations because it's.
Speaker 2: Not a fire.
Speaker 10: Yeah yeah, yeah, well that's true. Well let's I don't
Speaker 10: know what the killer, what's what they pump out?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Yeah, they don't muck around, these guys, So have a
Speaker 8: look at that. I'm gonna move on. Let us know
Speaker 8: how you get on. I'll tell you what. Interestingly enough,
Speaker 8: Steve there are so just having a quick look online.
Speaker 8: So with regard to firepraces and egress, you have to
Speaker 8: ensure that the fireplaces compliant with the building code and
Speaker 8: it's maintained, and that escape routes are clear and accessible. Specifically,
Speaker 8: exit doors must be unlocked and free of obstructions. So
Speaker 8: that is really really interesting. I'll do a bit more
Speaker 8: digging around that twelve minutes away from seven. Thanks very much.
Speaker 8: If you call Steve, we'll take your calls before the
Speaker 8: news as well, so you can call us right now, oh,
Speaker 8: eight hundred and eighty, ten eighty. We'll try and get
Speaker 8: through a few texts as well. Just a bit of
Speaker 8: a heads up. After eight o'clock, the Minister for Building
Speaker 8: and Construction, Chris Penk will be joining us just on
Speaker 8: the line, so there to be fair, there are about
Speaker 8: ten topics that we could discuss, but in discussion with
Speaker 8: the Minister and with his team, I've said, look, I
Speaker 8: want to talk about the BCA announcement which is going
Speaker 8: back about two three weeks ago, and the recent announcement
Speaker 8: this week about the perhaps stronger disciplinary actions for want
Speaker 8: of a better term, cowboy builders. We'll talk about that.
Speaker 8: There is about another five or six topics that we
Speaker 8: can discuss, but will do that when the Minister joins
Speaker 8: me in the studio in a couple of weeks time.
Speaker 8: So after the news at eight, Chris Pink, the Minister
Speaker 8: for Housing and Construction or Building in Construction rather will
Speaker 8: be on the line. So looking forward to that. If
Speaker 8: you've got any texts, I might be able to slide
Speaker 8: in a quick question from you as well. So if
Speaker 8: you've got a very specific text question for the Minister,
Speaker 8: feel free to slide that into the discussion this morning
Speaker 8: as well. It is coming up eleven minutes away from seven, Yes,
Speaker 8: eleven away from seven. We're back into regular time. The
Speaker 8: clocks went back at two o'clock in the morning, and
Speaker 8: you can call us now on eight hundred and eighty
Speaker 8: ten eighty.
Speaker 1: Doing of the house extorting the garden, asked Pete for
Speaker 1: a hand. The resident builder with peta wolfcap call, Oh
Speaker 1: eight eighty ten eighty.
Speaker 2: Youth talks envy.
Speaker 8: Rightyo, lines are open, Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
Speaker 8: Someone said electricfiers to killer. What Max? I'm not sure
Speaker 8: that that's true for the c ones that I mentioned,
Speaker 8: So I'm going to have a look and find out
Speaker 8: some fabulous texts. This one I'm very tempted to test.
Speaker 8: Cork tiles are the ones. We're talking about. Tiles and
Speaker 8: weather different types of flooring. Means that if you drop
Speaker 8: your favorite champagne flute when you're drying it at the sink,
Speaker 8: it won't break. Now, if it hits tiles, it'll break.
Speaker 8: If it hits timber, it won't. Someone suggested that nothing
Speaker 8: breaks when dropping it on cork tiles. I'm happy to
Speaker 8: test that. There might be some evidence for it. I
Speaker 8: do quite like corktiles. Well, no, they're triggering because I've
Speaker 8: had to rip up so much of it over the years,
Speaker 8: and it's quite a job to rip it up, to
Speaker 8: be fair, But it's making a comeback, which is awesome.
Speaker 8: Thank you Tom for that. Julie, good morning to you.
Speaker 6: Good morning morning.
Speaker 8: Indeed, I have a problem with the big room windows.
Speaker 12: The town has double glaze. Been here a couple of years.
Speaker 12: It's just just me and the bedrooms. They're really cold.
Speaker 12: One bedroom, the curtains are around in the wind and
Speaker 12: when you stand behind them, it's sort of like the
Speaker 12: same temperate duringside as it is outside the other one.
Speaker 12: The first winter I had ice in the channel, and
Speaker 12: the last one's one of the frost. The two patches
Speaker 12: prose completely solid. I'd wait till the sun came up,
Speaker 12: the SRI would open the window and they pour water. Right, nothing,
Speaker 12: no moisture on the inside of the double gaze. I
Speaker 12: just wondered what the problem is, or if you have
Speaker 12: any suggestion.
Speaker 8: Yeah, sure, I think you've highlighted a really good issue.
Speaker 8: And I suppose as we're getting better and better buildings,
Speaker 8: we're real that the weak spots which we kind of
Speaker 8: were able to ignore when we had buildings that had
Speaker 8: very little insulation and lots of drafts and so on.
Speaker 8: So as we're sort of effectively blocking all of these
Speaker 8: gaps in our buildings. Right, So, if you build today,
Speaker 8: you've got a building wrap on the outside, or you
Speaker 8: might have a rigid air barrier, You'll probably have insulation
Speaker 8: in the walls. You'll have flooring that perhaps doesn't is
Speaker 8: not as drafty as old strip flooring, ceilings that are
Speaker 8: well insulated hopefully, et cetera, et cetera. So heat transfer
Speaker 8: always wants to happen, right, if it's warm inside and
Speaker 8: it's cold outside, it wants to go outside. And if
Speaker 8: it's the other way around. It wants to come the
Speaker 8: other way. And so I think, what I'm taking a guess,
Speaker 8: and I'm going to say that if yours is a
Speaker 8: townhouse of sort of the last what is it twenty
Speaker 8: five thirty years old? About eight o eas old? Okay,
Speaker 8: so even eight years old. Again, I would hazard a
Speaker 8: guess and say that the aluminum joinery that you've got
Speaker 8: would be conventional aluminium joy as in, it is not
Speaker 8: thermally broken aluminium joinery. So while your walls have got
Speaker 8: good insulation hopefully, and your double glazing is way more
Speaker 8: effective than single glazing, the aluminium joinery Aluminium is a
Speaker 8: conductor and so heat will transfer through it, and that's
Speaker 8: what's happening, right, So you'll have double glazing in the window,
Speaker 8: you'll have conventional aluminium joinery, non thermally broken, and that's
Speaker 8: where you'll get condensation collecting on there and it will
Speaker 8: feel cold. And I've seen graphics of it so tested
Speaker 8: in a laboratory, what actually happens when you know, you
Speaker 8: test and examine and do thermal imaging on conventional joinery.
Speaker 8: So broadly speaking, we've got timber joinery, we've got aluminium joinery.
Speaker 8: We've got thermally broken aluminium joinery, and increasingly we've got
Speaker 8: uPVC joinery as well, right, and in some cases composite,
Speaker 8: and they all formed differently, so yours at conventional aluminium jowinery,
Speaker 8: it'll be the joinery that's the problem. Now I'm going
Speaker 8: to go to the break, but I think we should
Speaker 8: carry on and maybe.
Speaker 1: Whether you're painting the ceiling, fixing with feds, or wondering
Speaker 1: how to fix that hole in the wall.
Speaker 13: Give Peter wolf Gamp call on eighty the Resident Builder
Speaker 13: on News Dogs B. Welcome back to the show. It
Speaker 13: is just coming up seven minutes after seven. My name's
Speaker 13: people wolf Camp, resident builder. And this is a show
Speaker 13: all about building. Funnily enough, but building is such a
Speaker 13: well without being self aggrandizing, there's a lot, right that,
Speaker 13: all of the various whether it's compliance, whether it's the regulations,
Speaker 13: whether it's the contractors, whether it is the actual built environment,
Speaker 13: the regulations, the products, the components, the legislation. You know,
Speaker 13: all of these things are part of building. So we've
Speaker 13: talked about tiles, it's part of building. We've talked about soul,
Speaker 13: we've talked about flooring, we've talked about fireplaces, and now
Speaker 13: we're talking about bedroom windows. And I guess you know
Speaker 13: this is where it actually when you're a bit of
Speaker 13: a building geek, this is where actually building science gets
Speaker 13: really exciting at the moment, because we're much more able
Speaker 13: to be very targeted, very refined, very focused on which
Speaker 13: parts of our building envelope perform well and which parts don't.
Speaker 13: And you know, for a long time, and we've had
Speaker 13: conventional aluminium jowinery for a long time. The upgrade to
Speaker 13: H one meant that in many cases, in order to
Speaker 13: comply with H one, we would see a move from
Speaker 13: conventional aluminium jowinery. And when I say conventional, what I
Speaker 13: mean is that if you take a cross section through
Speaker 13: an aluminium window, essentially the aluminium on the inside is
Speaker 13: connected to the aluminium on the outside. I'm not trying
Speaker 13: to oversimplify this and I'm not trying to run it down.
Speaker 13: I'm just saying that that's what it looks like when
Speaker 13: you cut through it.
Speaker 8: So, now, if you're talking about thermally broken aluminium jewinery,
Speaker 8: there is a break between the aluminium on the exterior
Speaker 8: and the aluminium on the inside, which stops the transfer
Speaker 8: of heat through the aluminium because aliminium is a great conductor.
Speaker 8: Other types of joinery Timber, for example, is a very
Speaker 8: poor conductor of energy, and that's why often timber joinery
Speaker 8: is thermally efficient because it's a poor conductor. Other types
Speaker 8: of joinery composites uPVC and so on, perform better in
Speaker 8: terms of their ability to manage that transfer of heat
Speaker 8: than conventional aluminium jowinery, And up until quite recently, most
Speaker 8: aluminium jowinery was conventional, and even with better insulation in
Speaker 8: the walls and with double glade, it focuses the weak
Speaker 8: spot often on that. And so a couple of years
Speaker 8: ago I got called to a relatively new house with
Speaker 8: a person said I'd like you to come and have
Speaker 8: a look. The windows are leaking, and that that can happen.
Speaker 8: But in this instance, it wasn't the windows leaking. It
Speaker 8: was simply condensation that was building up through the aluminium
Speaker 8: jewry and that was the problem. So, Julie, I wonder
Speaker 8: whether you've got a similar issue there that if it's
Speaker 8: a relatively new house you've got double glazing. The double
Speaker 8: glazing is doing its job. It's slowing down the transfer
Speaker 8: of heat between inside of its warm and outside of
Speaker 8: its coal, and that heat is looking for somewhere else
Speaker 8: to go, and it's finding its way through the aluminum jowinery,
Speaker 8: the conventional aluminum jewinery, and that's where you've got the
Speaker 8: issue that you've got. I think does that make sense
Speaker 8: to you, Julie, oh hand, Sorry, the.
Speaker 6: Whole window drifts.
Speaker 12: The other one that I need, the bottom half that.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, are you like for a for a
Speaker 8: window to freeze shut? That's that requires I suppose a
Speaker 8: feel amount of moisture and very low temperatures. So are
Speaker 8: you where are you based in the country?
Speaker 12: Christ dirch okay, But it was only a mild frost,
Speaker 12: but it.
Speaker 8: Was enough to I suppose there was sufficient moisture to
Speaker 8: create or to to create ice and thereby Jamy window
Speaker 8: mm hmm.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I have to open a lot a lot of
Speaker 12: the time, but course not on the really cold but
Speaker 12: I have gone half lark on whatever.
Speaker 8: I think that's great.
Speaker 12: Don't heat the bedrooms, so it's.
Speaker 8: Not see now that that might be you know this
Speaker 8: in terms of heating the bedroom, right, that actually might
Speaker 8: be part of your solution, you know, so maybe installing
Speaker 8: some thermal drapes that will help as well. So okay,
Speaker 8: thermal drapes. But rather than letting the bedroom get down
Speaker 8: to twelve fourteen degrees, right, try and keep the temperature
Speaker 8: in that room even to a modest eighteen degrees will
Speaker 8: make a difference to the environment inside that space. So
Speaker 8: maybe your next change. And given that you've only got
Speaker 8: a small amount of the room that that effectively is
Speaker 8: not particularly good at retaining heat. If you were to
Speaker 8: add some heat to it you hopefully you won't spend
Speaker 8: too much money on that, but it will make a
Speaker 8: significant difference to the environment inside that room.
Speaker 6: Yeah, lovely, Okay, all.
Speaker 8: The very best, take care of Julie Pete. I text
Speaker 8: you a little while about about getting aluminium double blazing
Speaker 8: or UPBC. You suggested you PVC. I got it and
Speaker 8: it's absolutely brilliant. Thank you very much. Tim. That's interesting
Speaker 8: and I was looking at some data the other day
Speaker 8: on measurable scientific data about what happens to heat transferred
Speaker 8: depending on the type of joinery that you've got, and
Speaker 8: it's quite fascinating to read. Thank you very much for
Speaker 8: that text. And that's good to hear. Oh eight one
Speaker 8: hundred eighty ten eighty. I'll catch up with a few
Speaker 8: texts actually corptiles. We've mentioned that morning peat I'm renovating
Speaker 8: my bathroom, Should I tile first before hanging the vanity
Speaker 8: and the vertical storage unit? Increasingly we do, and I
Speaker 8: think there is a benefit to it. You don't necessarily
Speaker 8: have to tile everywhere, but rather than rather than hang
Speaker 8: the vanity and tile up to it, which then allows
Speaker 8: for moisture to sort of creep in around the edges.
Speaker 8: I think typically we're tiling the walls, hanging the vanity
Speaker 8: on it or the wall unit on it. My mates
Speaker 8: who are renovating at the moment, I'm pretty sure that
Speaker 8: that's exactly what they've done. Earlier on we were talking
Speaker 8: about installing solar onto a metal tile roof, and this
Speaker 8: is a relatively model one modern one. Someone stepped through
Speaker 8: how they're going to attach the peerlins instead of the batons. Well,
Speaker 8: the thing with metal tile roofs typically is they don't
Speaker 8: really have perlins. They tend to run battons over the
Speaker 8: top of the trusses or joists, which are small. Conventional
Speaker 8: perlin is x seventy five x fifty, so seventy by
Speaker 8: fortyish of timber or forty five of timber, and so
Speaker 8: that gives you a fair amount of purchase for the
Speaker 8: screws that will hold the rails that hold the solar panels.
Speaker 8: If you've got a fifty x twenty five batten, you're
Speaker 8: not getting as much purchase. So I wonder whether the
Speaker 8: solar installers will try and aim for purchase fixing into
Speaker 8: either the truss or to the joist. But I'll make
Speaker 8: some further inquiries because that's a bit of a challenge
Speaker 8: and flooring question. Please, with good quality laminated flooring like
Speaker 8: nineteen month one which would be stuck down in concrete
Speaker 8: or timber floors, can this be used in kitchen and
Speaker 8: bathroom situations i e? Wet areas? There was a Hali
Speaker 8: a kerfuffle a couple of years ago where building regulations
Speaker 8: changed to include protection of wet areas, and that then
Speaker 8: started to include anywhere that had a tap fixing. So
Speaker 8: for example, a dishwasher has a tap fitting, a kitchen
Speaker 8: has a tap fitting. A handbasin and a toilet is
Speaker 8: effectively a tap fitting, and that one point five meters
Speaker 8: radius around that fitting needed to be impervious, and there
Speaker 8: was a lot of discussion around does that mean you
Speaker 8: can't have timber flooring, for example, in a kitchen. How
Speaker 8: do you make that impervious? To be fair, I'm not
Speaker 8: sure where they exactly got to, but I think it's
Speaker 8: kind of settled to a point where, yes, you can
Speaker 8: do laminate flooring for example in a kitchen. You may
Speaker 8: need to do some waterproofing, you might need to use
Speaker 8: a particular brand of laminate flooring. But it certainly doesn't
Speaker 8: mean that everything has to be tiles, which is one
Speaker 8: of the discussions from a wee while ago. But it's
Speaker 8: still contested ground. To be fair, that wasn't a terribly
Speaker 8: clear piece of legislation, to be blunt, right, Oh, fifteen
Speaker 8: and a half after seven, we're talking all things building
Speaker 8: and a very good morning to you, money, my morning,
Speaker 8: how things are?
Speaker 14: Just walking my dog along the Munitou.
Speaker 8: River, Manitou? Where is the Munaitou river? Muna River. I'm
Speaker 8: with you, yes, I'll just think to you.
Speaker 14: Earlier on you mentioned about people worried about breaking their
Speaker 14: glasses and their yes on toll falls in kitchens.
Speaker 8: Yes, well for me, it's not the case.
Speaker 14: It's the times they get broken, right, Yeah, all all
Speaker 14: my families that have houses, it had piles, say, I
Speaker 14: don't know, maybe a female members form of these tiles,
Speaker 14: especially because they got a lot of kids and broken
Speaker 14: tile or broken tiles in the kitchen, so they hate it.
Speaker 14: They don't like it.
Speaker 8: I wonder whether there's I wonder whether there's a couple
Speaker 8: of things happening there. One is and depending on the
Speaker 8: age when it was installed. I mean, look, I can
Speaker 8: remember doing tiles on a particle board floor in a
Speaker 8: kitchen about more than thirty years ago. And back then
Speaker 8: in terms of building regulation, we literally just it was
Speaker 8: a particle board floor, and we got our adhesive when
Speaker 8: we trailed it, and we put the tiles down right,
Speaker 8: no waterproofing underneath it. The floors were not necessarily designed
Speaker 8: for tiles, et cetera, et cetera. By comparison, I went
Speaker 8: to a renovation last week where because they've got tiles
Speaker 8: in a bathroom, the floor joists at four hundred centers,
Speaker 8: it's nogged at four hundred centers. They've got particle board
Speaker 8: or no, they used nineteen mil fiber cement sheet screwed down.
Speaker 8: Then they've done waterproofing. And then the other key thing
Speaker 8: is that tilers you can do like dobs of adhesive
Speaker 8: and put the tile down, and so you don't have
Speaker 8: a full bed of adhesive. You effectively have these little pockets.
Speaker 8: And if you happen to drop something on the space
Speaker 8: where there's no tile adhesive, it's got very little support
Speaker 8: and it'll break. So yeah, I mean, tiles well laid
Speaker 8: on the right substrate are probably less resistant to breaking
Speaker 8: than ones laid in a different manner.
Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I know what's you saying.
Speaker 8: And look, you know, often you see it where you know,
Speaker 8: tile cracks and then you go shivers to get that off,
Speaker 8: especially if it's like in a shower or in a
Speaker 8: wheat area. You go, you know, can I get that
Speaker 8: off without damaging the water proofing? And then if I
Speaker 8: do damage the waterproofing, how do I repair the waterproofing?
Speaker 8: It just gets really really challenging saying that done. Heaps
Speaker 8: of tiling, and I love them in the right place.
Speaker 8: So thanks very much. Enjoy the walk with the dog
Speaker 8: on this hopefully beautiful morning. I tell you what, I'm
Speaker 8: still slightly freaked out about it. There was amazing fog
Speaker 8: over the harbor this morning. Driving in, it reminded me
Speaker 8: of those scenes from the Harry Potter movies, you know,
Speaker 8: where the death Eater has come down and you get
Speaker 8: that sort of black mist hanging around, like you couldn't
Speaker 8: see the city. As I was driving in from the shore,
Speaker 8: approaching the Harbor Bridge, looking out across the Harbor, I
Speaker 8: could see the top of the sky tower, but below
Speaker 8: it not a thing. It was. There was this I
Speaker 8: suppose sea fog. I'm guessing it was, but it was black.
Speaker 8: It was it was kind of it was quite evocative,
Speaker 8: I have to say, driving in this morning, right oh,
Speaker 8: I eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number
Speaker 8: to call. If you've got a question of a building nature,
Speaker 8: you should call me right now in the next hour
Speaker 8: of the program, So from eight to eight thirty. I'm
Speaker 8: really looking forward to a chat with the Minister for
Speaker 8: Building and Construction, that is Chris Pink. He's going to
Speaker 8: phone in and we're going to have a chat. Particularly,
Speaker 8: I mean to be fair, there is a long, long
Speaker 8: list of recent announcements that we could discuss, but I'm
Speaker 8: going to try and restrain myself to just talking about
Speaker 8: the things that we agreed we'd talk about, which is
Speaker 8: the BCAS so the building consent authorities and the government's
Speaker 8: move to get monitoring on how quickly bcas are processing
Speaker 8: building consents, and I've got a couple of questions for
Speaker 8: them around that. And then the other one that we
Speaker 8: want to talk about is the more recent announcement regarding
Speaker 8: increased sort of disciplinary action for wayward builders like this
Speaker 8: Chappie who appeared in the Herald article wins this Herald
Speaker 8: article the fifth So two days yesterday a builder who
Speaker 8: ran three years behind schedule while building a couple's home
Speaker 8: and then charged them an extra seventy two thousand dollars
Speaker 8: for labor and materials and then left the job and
Speaker 8: other contractors had to do it. Craig O'Brien, this is
Speaker 8: all in the paper, so I'm not revealing anything here.
Speaker 8: Craig O'Brien is the contractor Deborah and Basil Richards, who
Speaker 8: were then stuck with one hundred and thirty thousand dollars
Speaker 8: contractors bill, despite having already paid O'Brien in advance. O'Brien
Speaker 8: promised to repay the money they stumped up for the contractors,
Speaker 8: but the Richards have thus far managed to recoup only
Speaker 8: a fraction of it. Meanwhile, it's alleged that O'Brien has
Speaker 8: recently built a two bidge and extension to his own home.
Speaker 8: This is all revealed in a decision from the Building
Speaker 8: Practitioners Board. The couple made a complaint to the board,
Speaker 8: which has the power to suspend or even cancel a
Speaker 8: licensed building practitioners license, about thet or the conduct of O'Brien,
Speaker 8: and a recently released ruling, the board stopped short of
Speaker 8: that penalty. I don't know why stopped short of that
Speaker 8: penalty and instead imposed a seventeen hundred dollar fine and
Speaker 8: censured O'Brien for a breach of the profession's code of ethics.
Speaker 8: It is a penalty that complainant Deba Richards told NZME
Speaker 8: was weak.
Speaker 2: For me.
Speaker 8: It's sort of like if this was America, we could
Speaker 8: see them and there'd be consequences, but there are no
Speaker 8: consequences in this country. According to the board's ruling, O'Brien
Speaker 8: had been contacted by the Richards for a com contracted
Speaker 8: for a complete home build in Auckland. It was meant
Speaker 8: to have finished the job in March twenty twenty one,
Speaker 8: but it wasn't completed until April twenty twenty four, and
Speaker 8: that was with the help of other contractors. While the
Speaker 8: soon states the home is now finished, Deborah Richard said
Speaker 8: she was still to get a code to meet the
Speaker 8: code and needed more work to get it over the line.
Speaker 8: The couple were building the house to sell, but lost
Speaker 8: the buyer because it took so long. Then they then
Speaker 8: lost potential rent earnings after being unable to tenant it sooner.
Speaker 8: During the build, O'Brien charged the Richard and extra seventy
Speaker 8: two thousand dollars for labor and materials, but kept knowing
Speaker 8: that invoices or evidence to prove their additional cost. He
Speaker 8: told him it was due to price fluctuations when contract.
Speaker 8: This had to be brought in at a cost of
Speaker 8: one hundred and thirty thousand dollars to the Richards. O'Brien
Speaker 8: and O'Brien agreed to repay them ten thousand dollars per month,
Speaker 8: but they've thus far received only twenty one thousand dollars. Interesting,
Speaker 8: according to the company's office, are seeking advice ah the
Speaker 8: company Building Labour Solutions Limited, when into receivership owing creditors
Speaker 8: according to the company's office, one hundred and eighty eight
Speaker 8: thousand dollars, he's now liquidated and will get away free
Speaker 8: according to well, that's the opinion of the client. So
Speaker 8: the board said in its investigation into O'Brien's breaches of
Speaker 8: the Code of Ethics, it was limited because much of
Speaker 8: his conduct occurred before the code became enforceable in twenty
Speaker 8: twenty two. However, the code states that a license builder
Speaker 8: must act in good faith, which means dealing fairly and
Speaker 8: honestly with a client and keeping one's promises. We probably
Speaker 8: should get someone from and beyond to talk about the
Speaker 8: Code of Ethics. I've been talking about it in different
Speaker 8: sort of groups and formats and forums for a little while.
Speaker 8: If you are engaging in LBP, it is worth informing
Speaker 8: yourself about it. I think it's very good. I think
Speaker 8: that it most disputes that people probably have with their
Speaker 8: lbps are probably more likely around their behavior and practice
Speaker 8: rather than the actual building work itself. And that's where
Speaker 8: I think the Code of Ethics, which became enforceable I
Speaker 8: think it was October twenty twenty two, you know, should
Speaker 8: make a real difference. So check it out for yourself.
Speaker 8: Really easy to find four basic categories, nineteen different sort
Speaker 8: of requirements under that fairly broad brushstroke types of things.
Speaker 8: But you know, behaving professionally is now. There is the
Speaker 8: code of Ethics, so have a look at it. If
Speaker 8: you're engaging with a contractor, and if you are an
Speaker 8: l and you don't know about the Code of ethics,
Speaker 8: you need to get on board and learn about it.
Speaker 8: To be blunt. Twenty four minutes after seven less good morning, Hello, Liz.
Speaker 6: How are you? Can you hear me?
Speaker 8: I can go ahead, please.
Speaker 6: Good good, Hey. I just want to have to talk
Speaker 6: to you about a DVU system.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 6: I've bought five of these units and put them into
Speaker 6: different hounds that I've owned. I was up setting the
Speaker 6: other day.
Speaker 8: Can we just just for the purposes of being clear,
Speaker 8: I doubt that. Did you put them in or did
Speaker 8: you have them installed?
Speaker 15: No?
Speaker 6: No, no, they've been professionally instructed by d DVS.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm with you, yep, yep.
Speaker 6: But I was up in the ceiling the other day
Speaker 6: changing my filter. Yes, you know you can change the
Speaker 6: filter as yourself.
Speaker 16: Yep.
Speaker 6: And it's quite a simple matter. While I was up
Speaker 6: in the ceiling, I heard my fan were squealing. I thought, well,
Speaker 6: that doesn't sound good. So when I came down, I
Speaker 6: turned the system off because I thought, well, it's the fan,
Speaker 6: it's the fans squealing, it's probably a bearing, and it's
Speaker 6: a bearing sales, it could catch a item overhead.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah. I churned the system off and I phoned DVS
Speaker 6: Hamilton because I live in Hamilton and I've dealt through them.
Speaker 6: And the guy that I phoned said, oh, look, i'll
Speaker 6: put you onto another chap. So I got put onto
Speaker 6: this so other chap and told him about oh no, no,
Speaker 6: I'll have to put you onto our serviceman. So I
Speaker 6: got put onto the third person, which was a serviceman,
Speaker 6: and I told him what the problem was and he said, oh,
Speaker 6: I know, mate. He said, we're going to have to
Speaker 6: put a new system and it's going to cost you
Speaker 6: about two five And I said, hang on mate. I said,
Speaker 6: this system we've got is under ten years old. And
Speaker 6: he said, oh, well that's all we can do. And
Speaker 6: I said, well, I'm not happy about that. I said,
Speaker 6: I bought a lot of units off you guys, and
Speaker 6: I've dealt with looking all the way through. And he said,
Speaker 6: I'll have to get back to you. So two days
Speaker 6: later I get a call from d the s Auckland
Speaker 6: technical guy, and he said, well, the fan system you've
Speaker 6: got we can't replace. What we're going to do is
Speaker 6: replace it with a new system. And I said, well, well,
Speaker 6: what's that going to cost me? And he said it's
Speaker 6: going to cost you six hundred and sixty dollars including
Speaker 6: GUS two. So I'm disappointed because I thought these units
Speaker 6: would last longer than ten years.
Speaker 8: Look, I'll be really clear, you know, I'm not particularly
Speaker 8: interested in you litigating your dispute with a company on
Speaker 8: air when I don't know all of the circumstances. So
Speaker 8: if you've got a dispute with them, have it out
Speaker 8: with them. I don't think this is the right format
Speaker 8: to be discussing it. And what I would suggests and
Speaker 8: I understand you frustration, but you know what you should
Speaker 8: do is go back and have a look at the
Speaker 8: original contract, the warranties that are given, and potentially there's
Speaker 8: a warranty on parts. Let's say that's two years or
Speaker 8: five years. Now. If it happens to be a fifteen
Speaker 8: year warranty and it's failed within ten years, then you've
Speaker 8: got reason to be, you know, to go to them
Speaker 8: and expect them to replace it. If, for example, it
Speaker 8: states clearly you know these particular items are warrantied for
Speaker 8: this amount of time and it's past that. Then you
Speaker 8: accepted that when you had it installed, and I understand
Speaker 8: that being disappointed. But to be really honest, I'm not
Speaker 8: prepared to litigate this on air. That's something for you
Speaker 8: to discuss, given that it's very specific with the company involved,
Speaker 8: and I would do this for any company. I have
Speaker 8: no engagement with them or anything like that. I just
Speaker 8: think it's unfair to litigate it on air. So appreciate
Speaker 8: the call, but we'll leave it there. Oh eight one
Speaker 8: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.
Speaker 8: It is twenty eight after seven. Squeaky door or squeaky floor.
Speaker 1: Get the right advice from Peter Wolfcare, the resident fielder
Speaker 1: on News Talks HEB.
Speaker 8: Radio News Talks B. We're talking all things Billink. Sorry,
Speaker 8: I'm distracted by a text that's coming that's given me
Speaker 8: a hard time, which is fine, uh Radio. Oh, this
Speaker 8: is a great text. I mentioned the fog on the
Speaker 8: way in because it was it was really quite dramatic,
Speaker 8: quite eerie. That's not fog, that's TG t TG Trump
Speaker 8: tariff gloom from from Owen. Thank you, very much. That's
Speaker 8: very wise. T TG Trump Tariff Bloom Radio. Let's talk
Speaker 8: about Sola. Hello, Grant, good morning, Pete. How are you good?
Speaker 8: Thank you and yourself?
Speaker 16: Yeah yeah, yeah, good, thank you. It is a dramatic
Speaker 16: little fog, isn't it.
Speaker 8: It really is like it was like so dense you
Speaker 8: couldn't see the lights of the city as I was
Speaker 8: driving up to the bridge from the shore.
Speaker 16: Wow, that's cool. Yeah, it's just I'm just looking out
Speaker 16: and I can they just missed one hundred meters and
Speaker 16: then can't see anything.
Speaker 8: Okay, but like the go where we're probably going to
Speaker 8: talk about something else, won't we Yes.
Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, there are two things, all the three that
Speaker 16: we were in there to.
Speaker 17: Okay, So this whole.
Speaker 16: Aun panel guy, he should like obviously get somebody else
Speaker 16: to instill that, like an installer to instill them. But
Speaker 16: I was looking at them, you know, like it's all
Speaker 16: on panels and things, and like if you can get
Speaker 16: his neighbor on either side of him to buy some
Speaker 16: as well, right, and then when you hook the three
Speaker 16: of them up, they can they will, you know, he
Speaker 16: can pay them off quicker and because he can put
Speaker 16: more juice back in the into the grid, you know,
Speaker 16: and plus you know, like he could come your own
Speaker 16: little pound station, which is a.
Speaker 8: Great idea and probable, but we all know that these
Speaker 8: things get incredibly complicated. So I think, stick to your
Speaker 8: own grid and it's way simpler.
Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, true, true that.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 16: Okay, Now remember quite some muster Den or six or
Speaker 16: maybe two.
Speaker 6: A while ago.
Speaker 16: I suggested that the sand hills in christ Church were
Speaker 16: man made, not natural, and you went, well, I don't
Speaker 16: know about that. I had to look into it. And
Speaker 16: then I thought, oh, beats on the radio. I wonder
Speaker 16: if he looked into it.
Speaker 8: And to be fair, I probably didn't, and I probably
Speaker 8: won't with a grace respect. Right, let's talk about building.
Speaker 8: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number, Frank,
Speaker 8: Hello there.
Speaker 17: Yeah, Pete.
Speaker 11: I bought a new house, quite of brought a new
Speaker 11: house up in a red beach and I'm moving in
Speaker 11: a few weeks. It's got a nice big deck on it,
Speaker 11: but unfortunately, well it's made of the deck as a
Speaker 11: pine deck. I've usually had Queeler prefer pine, but I'll
Speaker 11: go for the.
Speaker 6: Pine.
Speaker 8: Yes.
Speaker 11: My question is I'm going to oil it. How long
Speaker 11: should I leave it? Like should I oil it this
Speaker 11: season or should I oil it next season?
Speaker 8: So it was laid let's say, prior to summer. So
Speaker 8: it's had a summer, right, it's most of we had
Speaker 8: a summer.
Speaker 11: Yeah, we've had a good three months most probably.
Speaker 8: I think that's long enough for it to effectively. What
Speaker 8: you want with new treated pine decking is that it
Speaker 8: kind of flashes off, right, so the timber preservative that's
Speaker 8: in it gets a chance to breathe, rise to the surface,
Speaker 8: and then it's not going to sort of push off
Speaker 8: your stains. So in that sense, I think, given and
Speaker 8: given the summer that we've had, you know how little
Speaker 8: rain that we've had until recently, it's probably ready for
Speaker 8: a sealer. And ideally, I'm just thinking about winter coming, right,
Speaker 8: if you can get it sealed before winter settles in,
Speaker 8: and I know we've had quite a bit of rain
Speaker 8: the last couple of days. That will dry out if
Speaker 8: you had two, three, four days of decent weather and
Speaker 8: then get a coat of sealer onto it. And most
Speaker 8: of the sealers now for decking are essentially a penetrating
Speaker 8: oil stain, so I would still give it a treatment.
Speaker 8: So maybe even today while it's still wet from the
Speaker 8: weather over the last little while. Go and get some
Speaker 8: deck wash. Apply that give it an agitate with a
Speaker 8: stiff broom. Rinse it off. Don't water blast it, just
Speaker 8: rinse it off. Let that dry, and as soon as
Speaker 8: it feels dry, I'd get into it with an oil
Speaker 8: based or with a penetrating oil stain onto that timber.
Speaker 11: Excellent, I think it again.
Speaker 8: These you job for the day. Take care, Take care, Frank.
Speaker 8: I'm just watching. We've got obviously TV screens in the
Speaker 8: studio and they've got BBC News on and they're looking
Speaker 8: at Romania back in the days just after the fall
Speaker 8: of the Berlin Wall and so on. So we're talking
Speaker 8: early nineteen ninety one. I had some pictures of down
Speaker 8: town book Arrest and the massive white house effectively that
Speaker 8: Charchescu built back then, and the boulevards that they created
Speaker 8: and downtown book Arrest, and then it had the protests,
Speaker 8: and as it happens, I was actually there in about
Speaker 8: it would have been May or June of nineteen ninety one,
Speaker 8: and it was still pretty lawless. It was pretty rugged
Speaker 8: back then. I was traveling through. I'd been in Greece.
Speaker 8: I traveled up through Bulgaria, took the train from Thessalonica
Speaker 8: to book Arest, stayed a couple of stayed about a
Speaker 8: week in book Arrest, and then traveled on to Budapest.
Speaker 8: And someone had suggested that I buy a couple of
Speaker 8: packets of Marlborough cigarettes curtains of cigarettes, because you could
Speaker 8: use that to barter. And so I was wandering through
Speaker 8: downtown brook Arrest with a carton of cigarettes on the
Speaker 8: backpack and met some kind of lonely looking guards outside
Speaker 8: that White House, that parliament building or that palace right
Speaker 8: in the middle of town. Said can I have looked through?
Speaker 8: And they sort of went, oh yeah, And I gave
Speaker 8: them a few packets of cigarettes and I wandered through it.
Speaker 8: That's the most bizarre experience, to be fair. It was
Speaker 8: just a bunch of us wandering through the old White
Speaker 8: House building, massive chandeliers, these huge ornate staircases. I think
Speaker 8: I actually went right up to the roof looked out
Speaker 8: over the city. Anyway, it's quite funny seeing those pictures
Speaker 8: on the TV. There you go, there's a happy memory.
Speaker 8: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. We'll talk to
Speaker 8: Brian straight after the break your new smealthy.
Speaker 1: You get those DIY projects done right, the resident builder
Speaker 1: with beatable scat call.
Speaker 2: Oh eight, you've talked ZVY.
Speaker 8: Radio. We're actually we're going to talk to Daniel from
Speaker 8: Nanoclear shortly. But before then, Brian, greetings to you. Hang
Speaker 8: on sick. Here we go, Brian, Hello there.
Speaker 17: Yes, I live next door to a restaurant.
Speaker 6: Yep.
Speaker 17: And one of the customers has driven into the thing.
Speaker 8: Yeah, sure I shouldn't, but I can imagine that happening.
Speaker 17: Yep. He's taken out a couple of posts which were
Speaker 17: concreted in right, Yes, and three panels are down right.
Speaker 17: Two were less loose that fell down in the wind
Speaker 17: three nights ago.
Speaker 8: Yep.
Speaker 17: And the police have said it to be nine months
Speaker 17: before the prosecuted.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 17: Yeah, so I send a letter to the restaurant telling them,
Speaker 17: uh as you are aware one of your customers has
Speaker 17: during in an offense. Again, I have spoken to the police,
Speaker 17: and it could be nine months.
Speaker 8: I think I might have a quicker I might have
Speaker 8: a quicker solution for your Brian, why don't you just
Speaker 8: go to your insurer.
Speaker 17: I'm not insured a car afford it, okay?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 17: Things that could you send me attached quote to your
Speaker 17: insurance company and get the fence fixed? All right? And
Speaker 17: those replied, thanks for sending the quote, but the sense
Speaker 17: for a pair is your and my client's business, and
Speaker 17: the police has already stated we don't need to do anything.
Speaker 8: Yeah. Have you been able to identify the driver of
Speaker 8: the car that caused the damage.
Speaker 17: I've got his name, because.
Speaker 8: Ultimately it's it's probably not even the restaurant's respect if
Speaker 8: it was the restaurant. Let's say the restaurant did deliveries
Speaker 8: and it was their delivery driver that backed.
Speaker 17: Into the city one of their customers.
Speaker 8: Okay, well, I can't see how they are responsible for
Speaker 8: their customer's behavior, particularly since it happened outside of the premises.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 8: So ultimately the person responsible is the person who is
Speaker 8: driving the car. Because you're not insured, you're going to
Speaker 8: have to seek redress from that person. I wonder if
Speaker 8: you can find their details I would do. I would
Speaker 8: go to the disputes tribunal because you'll be able to
Speaker 8: get a hearing quite quickly. Chances are the person won't attend,
Speaker 8: in which case you'll get a determination from the disputes tribunal,
Speaker 8: which then gives you something that's enforceable by the court,
Speaker 8: and then the court will then help you to recover
Speaker 8: the money from the driver of the vehicle. So stop
Speaker 8: all the correspondence, find out, find out who the person is,
Speaker 8: go to the dispute tribunal, get a hearing, go from there.
Speaker 8: That'll be the quickest way.
Speaker 17: How long will it take to go through the.
Speaker 8: Look, it might not, it might be a couple of months,
Speaker 8: but it's going to be quicker than anything else because
Speaker 8: I would imagine that the person. Look, you could approach
Speaker 8: the person, but if you're not getting a response from them,
Speaker 8: you know, how are you going to keep chasing them up?
Speaker 8: I would go dispute tribunal because then you have the
Speaker 8: backing of the district court. I'll try that. Annoying, but
Speaker 8: I would try that.
Speaker 17: Doesn't the restaurant own half the side fence?
Speaker 8: Not necessarily, because chances are the person who is occupying
Speaker 8: the restaurant leases the building from the owner. So and
Speaker 8: then as a property owner, I wasn't responsible for the damage.
Speaker 8: It's not like it's an old fence that fell over.
Speaker 8: It's it's an individual using a car that's damaged the fence.
Speaker 8: It's got if I was the owner of the land,
Speaker 8: I'm not responsible for it because I didn't cause the damage.
Speaker 17: All right, If I pay to get the fence repaired
Speaker 17: while waiting for the pols, doesn't the person next door
Speaker 17: have to pay half?
Speaker 8: Nope, because it's it's damage as a posts, you know,
Speaker 8: if the fence, Well, the only way you could do that,
Speaker 8: and the only way you can get half of the
Speaker 8: payment is if you, under the Fencing Act go to
Speaker 8: them and say we need to replace the fence as
Speaker 8: a result of damage. I'm seeking a contribution from you.
Speaker 8: They might argue, well, the damage wasn't caused by me,
Speaker 8: nor was it normal wear and tear. It's a one
Speaker 8: off event, because then they're going to have to try
Speaker 8: and claim from the person who did it as well,
Speaker 8: which just gets time consuming as well. So I think
Speaker 8: your shortest course of action is going to be to
Speaker 8: try and find out the name and address of the
Speaker 8: person who caused the damage, the driver of the car,
Speaker 8: and then register with the Disputes Tribunal and seek a
Speaker 8: judgment from them for damages and then that is enforceable
Speaker 8: by the court. And that's the one thing that's the advantage.
Speaker 8: And we had the basically chief judge or chief adjudicator
Speaker 8: from the dispute Stribunal on the show a little while ago.
Speaker 8: And that was the one thing that I learned about
Speaker 8: that which was really really useful. Right yoh, we're going
Speaker 8: to take short break. We'll come back. We'll talk to
Speaker 8: Daniel from Nanoclear in a moment. We've got time for
Speaker 8: a couple more calls, and then after the news at
Speaker 8: eight o'clock a chance to have a bit of a
Speaker 8: chat with the Minister for Building and Construction Chris Pink
Speaker 8: will join me after eight o'clock.
Speaker 1: Measure twice God was but maybe call Pete first, feed
Speaker 1: your WORFCAF the resident builder News Talk said be a
Speaker 1: couple of.
Speaker 8: Weeks ago someone rang and was talking about sort of
Speaker 8: faded aluminium joinery. Interestingly enough, so in many cases you'll
Speaker 8: get faded aluminium jowinery. Maybe the garage door looks a
Speaker 8: bit dull, so aluminium powder coated surfaces can fade and
Speaker 8: discolor over time. New Zealand weather, the intense weather the
Speaker 8: UV causes oxidation and corrosion on aluminium windows and garage doors.
Speaker 8: So Nanoclear is a solution to restore and protect these surfaces. Today, Daniel,
Speaker 8: one of Nanoclear's professional applicators, is here to tell us
Speaker 8: a bit more. Daniel, good morning, Good morning Peter, how
Speaker 8: are you hey. Now, I know Nanoclear is like a
Speaker 8: protective coating, So tell us a little bit more about
Speaker 8: it and what makes it the best solution for the
Speaker 8: protection of aluminium window frames and garage doors.
Speaker 15: Yeah, thanks Peter. Yeah, we have a team of friendly
Speaker 15: professionals who take care and special attention to protecting your
Speaker 15: proddicated surfaces, increasing the look and the value of your asset,
Speaker 15: whether it be your personal home or your business. Now,
Speaker 15: Nanoclaire is a spray on coating and it has several
Speaker 15: key benefits that offer long term protection to your garage
Speaker 15: doors and your aluminium jewnery. So, as I said, it's
Speaker 15: a spray on finish and it gives you a smooth
Speaker 15: and as new finish. We can adjust the gloss level
Speaker 15: from matts to full gloss, or even apply that texture
Speaker 15: on the new aluminium jewinery, extrusions on that, on that
Speaker 15: on the new windows. So Nanoclaire is six times harder
Speaker 15: than paint and it's highly resistant to scratches. It's also
Speaker 15: chemical insolvent, resistance, so housewash treatments, bug sprays, sunscreen off
Speaker 15: your hands, and even graffiti won't stick to the surface.
Speaker 15: That can all be easily wiped off. Yeah, and like
Speaker 15: you mentioned, it's UVR resistant, so meaning it won't fade
Speaker 15: and it'll protect your jowinery for.
Speaker 6: Up to ten years.
Speaker 8: It is impressive, and I suppose especially for houses where
Speaker 8: maybe you've done a retrofit of the double glazing, it
Speaker 8: can be a little bit tricky when you've got some
Speaker 8: old new jowinery side by side, might end up looking
Speaker 8: a bit patchy.
Speaker 15: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, after retrofitting, we make sure the jewinery
Speaker 15: is coded evenly so the old areas look just like
Speaker 15: the new extrusions, avoiding any discrepancy and color that can
Speaker 15: be obvious with retrifiting. So to do this, we coak
Speaker 15: the entire window to ensure a uniform like new appearance.
Speaker 15: This option it not only helps achieve a warmer home
Speaker 15: at a lower cost than replacing the jewinery, but it
Speaker 15: also transforms the look of your property.
Speaker 8: Now I've seen your work firsthand, and when you recolored
Speaker 8: some alminium joinner in a house to a completely different shade.
Speaker 8: So if you've got an old orange one, but you
Speaker 8: weren't gray that can you can do that?
Speaker 17: Yeah?
Speaker 15: That's right. Yeah, No, It's incredible how something as simple
Speaker 15: as just changing the joinery color can give you home
Speaker 15: a completely new look.
Speaker 6: It's almost as if.
Speaker 15: You've had a major renovation, completely updating their parents. So
Speaker 15: to do this, we remove all the hardware and the latches,
Speaker 15: the handles, and that strip out the ceiling rubbers and
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Speaker 8: B right over. Try and get through quick couple of
Speaker 8: calls before to break anita. Hello there, Hi, how are
Speaker 8: you going? Yeah? Very well, thinks.
Speaker 18: My question is I've got a nineteen sixties weatherboard. How
Speaker 18: this looks like a housing court pouse of that style
Speaker 18: in that era. I was told five years ago when
Speaker 18: I purchased it that I may need to replace the
Speaker 18: roof ridges on the roof at some stage. It isn't
Speaker 18: a problem yet, but I was really I was just
Speaker 18: wanting to know can that be done without replacing the
Speaker 18: clay tiles, because I haven't got an issue with the
Speaker 18: clay tiles at.
Speaker 8: All for the age of the house. Are you sure
Speaker 8: it's clay tiles not concrete ones?
Speaker 18: I've been told clay tile.
Speaker 8: Okay. It's interesting because they're not that common at that vintage, right,
Speaker 8: They're quite common earlier on. So I guess what you Yeah?
Speaker 8: So let's say that it might actually be a concrete tile,
Speaker 8: in which case, yes, you can replace roof tiles. This
Speaker 8: is the great thing generally with concrete tile roofs is
Speaker 8: that you know individual tiles can be removed and replaced.
Speaker 8: Ridge tiles that might have broken could be replaced, or
Speaker 8: in some cases someone might come along lift the ridge,
Speaker 8: capping up, chip off the mortar, redo the mortar and
Speaker 8: reuse the if they're in a suitable condition. Reuse the
Speaker 8: existing roof tiles roof ridges and just replace the ones
Speaker 8: that might be broken. Sometimes sourcing them can be a
Speaker 8: bit of a challenge, and obviously whoever does the work,
Speaker 8: they should be able to offer you a warranty or
Speaker 8: some sort of guarantee about the weather tightness of the
Speaker 8: job at the end. But yes, it's definitely repairable.
Speaker 18: Right okay, And as far as establishing who does that
Speaker 18: sort of work, what's the best way to google? Google that?
Speaker 8: Look, there are a couple of large companies out there,
Speaker 8: so Edwards and Hardy's. There's a few others if you
Speaker 8: do a Google search, But someone like Edwards and Hardy's,
Speaker 8: for example, have been around for a long time, and
Speaker 8: there might be other specialists in repair and maintenance of
Speaker 8: existing concrete tile roofs. Yeah, they'll be out there without
Speaker 8: a debt.
Speaker 18: It's just just in case question.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think it's it's unlikely that you're going to
Speaker 8: be faced with sort of a complete replacement. You should
Speaker 8: be able to repair it. All the very best to you,
Speaker 8: take care of Thanks, Anita, all the best. So after
Speaker 8: the break, Chris Pink, the Minister for Building and Construction,
Speaker 8: will be joining me. To be fair, there's a lot
Speaker 8: of announcements that have been made, including just recently a
Speaker 8: decision that seventy square meter granny flat will be able
Speaker 8: to be built without necessarily requiring a building consent and
Speaker 8: so on. We're not going to touch on that. We're
Speaker 8: going to be talking about BCA's and we're going to
Speaker 8: be talking about cowboy builders. So straight after the break
Speaker 8: we'll take a text if you've got time and if
Speaker 8: the Minister's got time, But looking forward to a chat
Speaker 8: with Chris Pink straight after eight o'clock eight thirty. We're
Speaker 8: into the garden with Red Climb.
Speaker 2: Pasted doing up the house, sorting the garden.
Speaker 1: Asked Pete for a hand as a resident builder with
Speaker 1: Peter Wolfcap call oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty US
Speaker 1: Talks Envy.
Speaker 8: Well, very good morning, welcome back to the program. Just
Speaker 8: gone six and a half minutes after eight. It is
Speaker 8: my great pleasure this morning to welcome back to the program.
Speaker 8: We had an opportunity to talk with the Minister of
Speaker 8: Building and Construction last year on the show, and I
Speaker 8: reached out recently given that I guess this was fairly
Speaker 8: clearly signaled there would be a number of changes from
Speaker 8: this government with regard to building, particularly with a focus
Speaker 8: on trying to prove efficiency, trying to make it more
Speaker 8: affordable to build houses in New Zealand. So it is,
Speaker 8: as I mentioned, great pleasure to welcome back to the program,
Speaker 8: Chris Pink. Thank you very much for your time on
Speaker 8: a Sunday morning.
Speaker 2: How are you, Chris, Good morning, Peter.
Speaker 15: It's a pleasure to be with you on the show today.
Speaker 8: Yeah, hey, looking forward to it. And can I just
Speaker 8: say too, I've really appreciated the fact that I've been
Speaker 8: to a number of events this year, whether it's a
Speaker 8: little factory out by the airport in Hamilton with a
Speaker 8: guy who's doing three D printing, or out at the
Speaker 8: Stark Windows factory, a little while ago, and you're there
Speaker 8: and one of the things one of them. Without wanting
Speaker 8: to ingratiate myself or anything, but one of the feedbacks
Speaker 8: I get is that you are seemingly genuinely interested in
Speaker 8: the issue in your portfolio and you're out there talking
Speaker 8: to people all the time. So good on you.
Speaker 15: Oh well, I really appreciate that. I mean, for my part,
Speaker 15: I think i'd be mad if I wasn't engaged with
Speaker 15: You're doing the thing, building the things and knowing the things.
Speaker 15: Com clearly you know you're everywhere too, so yeah, yeah,
Speaker 15: setting out those great events.
Speaker 8: And places that we see awesome. Okay, Now, look, there
Speaker 8: are we could choose from any number of topics, but
Speaker 8: I promised that i'd stick to two of them. So
Speaker 8: just in terms of the I suppose you're looking to
Speaker 8: get efficiency gains in the consenting process. And I guess
Speaker 8: ever since you've become the Minister for Building and Construction,
Speaker 8: people have come to you and said it takes too
Speaker 8: long to get a building consent, and so there's some
Speaker 8: changes there. Can you just step us through what the
Speaker 8: changes are likely to be?
Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean there's a really big picture where we
Speaker 15: ask if the people giving the consents at the moment
Speaker 15: are the right ones at the moment. Of course, it's
Speaker 15: your local council and there are sixty six ers days
Speaker 15: across the country, so that's a big piece of work
Speaker 15: that we're trying to get to the bottom of. There's
Speaker 15: the question around whether they should have the liability that
Speaker 15: they do. Namely, you know, something goes wrong and the
Speaker 15: builder there's nowhere to be found or genuinely runs out
Speaker 15: of money, and the events the claim for a defect,
Speaker 15: then the ratepayers are on the hook. So those are
Speaker 15: a sort of big picture questions swirling around. But in
Speaker 15: the meantime, actually from the very start, I thought, well,
Speaker 15: we need some data to actually understand if the things
Speaker 15: that people are telling me and it dotally are true,
Speaker 15: which is that oftentimes they'll apply for content it will
Speaker 15: take a lot longer than the x tree period, which
Speaker 15: is to say, what the law sets out of twenty
Speaker 15: week and days and it dotally, you know, it does
Speaker 15: take longer than now often because further information will be
Speaker 15: requested in RFI and it'll stop the clock. And there's
Speaker 15: a bit of cinisism out there, and maybe sometimes it's justified,
Speaker 15: but in fairness to the councils, and I did try
Speaker 15: to make this point a week ago, maybe not clearly enough,
Speaker 15: but in finners to the council, sometimes they get pretty
Speaker 15: poor applications for building contents and they think they genuinely
Speaker 15: need to spend a bit of extra time going back
Speaker 15: and forth to get to the bottom of that before
Speaker 15: they can rightly sign those off. So maybe it's a
Speaker 15: bit on bo sites, but certainly if we can get
Speaker 15: past that and understand what the incentives on the system,
Speaker 15: then you maybe we'll lean up with a system that
Speaker 15: is quicker and if we're more affordable for people who
Speaker 15: are trying to build on please you.
Speaker 8: I acknowledge that, because again in discussions within the industry,
Speaker 8: certainly it did feel a little bit like the problem
Speaker 8: is always with the council. And I'm not here to
Speaker 8: defend the councils, but I would imagine that they get
Speaker 8: plans submitted to them that are of poor quality, and
Speaker 8: so it's quite justified that they stop the clock send
Speaker 8: out an RFI because the quality is poor. So I
Speaker 8: guess there is that, and then there's potentially that they
Speaker 8: are actually taking too long or the processing teams are
Speaker 8: not able to deal with the workload and that's holding
Speaker 8: things up. One of the other changes you're talking about
Speaker 8: is the potential for one portal for the lodgment of
Speaker 8: building consents. What's the work around that.
Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean that's really important idea to my mind,
Speaker 15: and just reflecting back actually the thing that people say
Speaker 15: to me when they're out there trying to do the
Speaker 15: building work, be it you design professionals. Of course Frital
Speaker 15: starts having architectural design licensed building practitioners or of course
Speaker 15: those on the tools and the whole point there is
Speaker 15: that for those who are operating across more than one
Speaker 15: council boundary, which is actually many within a region, but
Speaker 15: also those are operating at a nationwide scale, it has
Speaker 15: to interact with different systems. It's probably literally different logins
Speaker 15: and different ways of uploading documents and receiving things back.
Speaker 15: Just speaks to the bigger problem about the lack of
Speaker 15: consistency and ease of dealing with different councils across the country.
Speaker 15: And of course that's a real drag on productivity if
Speaker 15: we don't enable people to sort of get on and
Speaker 15: use the same design from one town to the next.
Speaker 15: And it's part of that bigger picture that we're trying
Speaker 15: to get past of everything being so bespoke, so one off,
Speaker 15: and really not able to get the efficiency gains that
Speaker 15: you should be able to expect. In BETWEENY first and three.
Speaker 8: Is what that single point of contact? What would that
Speaker 8: look like? So essentially a sort of a central agency
Speaker 8: that all of your building consents are entered into one
Speaker 8: portal and then distributed to the bcas.
Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean that that could be one that's more
Speaker 15: or less the models that we've talked about as a
Speaker 15: single national B THEA or building Consent authority. But I
Speaker 15: should note for the sake of completeness, there are a
Speaker 15: couple of other possibilities that we've been consulting on. One
Speaker 15: is to have a map of New Zealand drawn with
Speaker 15: boundaries along regional lines and say, well, if you're within
Speaker 15: that region, you've got to have a single point of
Speaker 15: contact or you know, essentially a single maybe a legal
Speaker 15: entity and separated out from the councils. And then and
Speaker 15: then the other option would just be sort of a
Speaker 15: variation of that where some councils actually, to give a
Speaker 15: lot of credit words due are looking to consolidate those
Speaker 15: functions already across regional boundaries. So many councils have said,
Speaker 15: look our mates across the way, you know, we want
Speaker 15: to sort of see some resources when it comes to
Speaker 15: creditation or maybe the personnel. You know, a small council
Speaker 15: particularly and someone goes on lead that that puts them
Speaker 15: in difficult position. So that's sort of the other kind
Speaker 15: of big, big model that could be done. But just
Speaker 15: to really sorry, just to quickly go back to that
Speaker 15: initial possibility that you've mentioned. I think some sort of
Speaker 15: national system, whether it's a single IT system and portal
Speaker 15: and then it gets distributed out is a distinct possibility.
Speaker 15: And of course the other thing to turn in the
Speaker 15: mix there would be the possibility of private building contend
Speaker 15: authorities such as are actually already allowed for in the legislation,
Speaker 15: but that don't yet exist.
Speaker 8: Right, Okay, So there's there's lots of changes there. And
Speaker 8: you've mentioned a couple of times we have a large
Speaker 8: number of BCA's right building con send authorities. So how
Speaker 8: likely do you think it is that we'll see that
Speaker 8: number reduced? That there will be, either with their agreement
Speaker 8: or top down a move to consolidate the number of bcas.
Speaker 15: I would say it's absolutely inevitable that the number will do. Yeah,
Speaker 15: simply not tenable to have sixty six different interpretations of
Speaker 15: a single building code, whether or not there are all
Speaker 15: the way down to one or may or maybe something
Speaker 15: you know, literally in between.
Speaker 7: It could be.
Speaker 15: I mean, you can imagine thirty regions, for example, and
Speaker 15: I've just made up that number, sure mathematically, but you
Speaker 15: can imagine a couple of different nations. But but certainly
Speaker 15: the biggesting model isn't working, and so do expect it
Speaker 15: there'll be a lot fewer than our sixty six in
Speaker 15: terms of what we come up with.
Speaker 8: So in terms of the reporting that you've asked back
Speaker 8: from the BCAS, I think the first graphic has come
Speaker 8: out there, you know, with some councils processing most of
Speaker 8: their consents within twenty days, some taking considerably longer. Are
Speaker 8: you asking BCAS to report back? Is it every quarter?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 15: Correct?
Speaker 6: Quarter?
Speaker 2: Okay, quarterly?
Speaker 8: What do you hope to achieve by that?
Speaker 15: Well, we want to build up a picture of because
Speaker 15: what's tepping up there? Because yeah, I mean again anecdotal evidence,
Speaker 15: you know, it's evidence of a type. But suddenly a
Speaker 15: lot of people have said to me they get the
Speaker 15: RAF on the nineteenth day, and they're suspicious and suspicious
Speaker 15: that right stopping the clock. You've got the councilors who say, oh,
Speaker 15: we you know, we process everything within the time frame,
Speaker 15: but you know that the counting as though, you know
Speaker 15: that the time doesn't elapse when when they're asking for
Speaker 15: that further information. But in the real word, of course,
Speaker 15: if you're borrowing money to do a new build, or
Speaker 15: if you're simply waiting to have the use of the
Speaker 15: house back, you know that that's not particularly meaningful to
Speaker 15: hear that. You know, by some technical measure, other times
Speaker 15: frames have been reached. So it's really a good faith
Speaker 15: effort to try and get behind that, and also to
Speaker 15: understand you know, some councils actually managing us pretty well,
Speaker 15: in others not so much so, just to sort of
Speaker 15: look at that regial variation, but not in a finger
Speaker 15: pointing or blame game kind of a way.
Speaker 8: Yeah, okay, because again anecdotally, and I know we've used
Speaker 8: that phrase a number of times, but you will often
Speaker 8: hear this where you know, let's say developer working across
Speaker 8: a couple of different councils will find that he gets
Speaker 8: different responses from different councils as if there are multiple
Speaker 8: building codes, but there's not. There's one Building Act and
Speaker 8: one Building Code, but it seems the interpretation varies, which
Speaker 8: must be incredible. It is incredibly frustrating.
Speaker 15: Absolutely, I mean that's frustrating for them. But of course,
Speaker 15: you know, overall, if you think about the system that
Speaker 15: lacks productivity and has the same you know, per per
Speaker 15: person our output as we the year nineteen eighty five,
Speaker 15: it's just crazy and we've got to get past that.
Speaker 15: And so if you think about the incentives that you know,
Speaker 15: from a council point of view, again, in the sake
Speaker 15: of fairness, each of those is its own separate legal
Speaker 15: entity with all rbility. They can't say, oh, well that
Speaker 15: you know, the ABC District council down the road approved
Speaker 15: these plans. They must be fine. You know, they've got
Speaker 15: to go through that themselves because otherwise they could be
Speaker 15: on the hook and their ratepayers could bear the burden
Speaker 15: of something going wrong. So you know, again it's it's
Speaker 15: fairs to not where the incentives lie. But they're not
Speaker 15: the right place. Acerson could tell.
Speaker 8: Okay, so we're going to make some changes there by
Speaker 8: the sound of it, we're going to take a short break,
Speaker 8: but I'd like to come back and talk about your
Speaker 8: more recent announcement. And lots of people have text through
Speaker 8: about the seventy square meter granny flat, but we'll leave
Speaker 8: that for another day. But I do want to come
Speaker 8: back and talk about Cowboy builders and what you might
Speaker 8: be able to do about that in just a moment.
Speaker 8: So joining me this morning on the program, Chris Pink,
Speaker 8: Minister for Construction and or Building and Construction, will be
Speaker 8: back straight after the break.
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Speaker 8: With me on the program is the Minister for Construction
Speaker 8: and Building and Construction, Chris Pink. Thank you very much
Speaker 8: for joining us on a Sunday morning. I am getting
Speaker 8: a bunch of texts and so I just want to
Speaker 8: do this one first. Take Pete, can you ask the
Speaker 8: Minister we had private certifiers under the nineteen ninety one
Speaker 8: Building Act. When the leaky homes happened, they shut up
Speaker 8: shop and disappeared. If we bring back private certifiers and
Speaker 8: self certifiers, how will we stop this happening again?
Speaker 19: What's your thoughts, Chris, Yeah, I mean not very fair
Speaker 19: point that correspondence makes that we desperately need to avoid
Speaker 19: any kind of lack of quality or assurance.
Speaker 15: So I mean, no decisions have been made in terms
Speaker 15: of what the system would look like in terms of
Speaker 15: building concent authorities. But I would just know that actually
Speaker 15: at the moment when councils get overwhelmed by having too
Speaker 15: many applications, one of the things they do is they
Speaker 15: pass them out to private certifiers by a different name
Speaker 15: or maybe by that name, but not being the building
Speaker 15: in central authorities themselves, and they do the work and
Speaker 15: then pass it back to the council, and the council
Speaker 15: says to the developer, He've got a version of that
Speaker 15: already is in all of us. You know, what can
Speaker 15: you do to make sure that you're not going to
Speaker 15: have some dubius outfit making decisions that are going to
Speaker 15: leave a consumers such as homeowners or anyone really who's
Speaker 15: who's who's getting buil vulnerable and in the large nicture
Speaker 15: of the effects all of people, retirement, savings at stake
Speaker 15: and soul, we know we've got to get that right,
Speaker 15: So we're not going to move in any direction that
Speaker 15: could risk the quality and doesn't It is in fact
Speaker 15: by you know, pret mechanisms, be it private insurance, maybe
Speaker 15: public assurance, or a FIDELND or one of those models
Speaker 15: for example they use in Australia. So we're very mindful
Speaker 15: of the need not to have either an individual building
Speaker 15: level defect go no good or bad to going unpunished
Speaker 15: in that sense, or a system wie failure. God for
Speaker 15: the the lety bids we.
Speaker 8: Have outs for buildings. I'm guessing you know, as government,
Speaker 8: you'd go into it with a very different lens than
Speaker 8: back in nineteen ninety one.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 15: Absolutely, I mean the lesson seemed to me to be
Speaker 15: pretty well ranged and we're not going to tune the
Speaker 15: clock back on that. But at the same time, I
Speaker 15: would also just gently point out that we have a
Speaker 15: building crisis at this country in this country at the moment,
Speaker 15: and it's said it costs so jolly much to a
Speaker 15: lot of can't afford that, and that's not fair to them,
Speaker 15: it's not good for communities and all the social outcomes.
Speaker 15: And if you think of kids not tuning up to
Speaker 15: school because parents have been moved around from one and
Speaker 15: secure and talk to the next. You know, there's a
Speaker 15: lot at stake. Were simply as a balance, and we've
Speaker 15: we've obviously going to try and get that right.
Speaker 8: Okay, the other thing, And again, I'm very aware that
Speaker 8: there's been a number of announcements and I'm really keen
Speaker 8: to talk about a whole lot of things, so we'll
Speaker 8: probably get you on. But I again, but I do
Speaker 8: want to talk about this announcement with regard to strengthening
Speaker 8: the disciplinary process for you know, for one of a
Speaker 8: better term cowboy builders. Right, And I read out a
Speaker 8: story today, it's in the Herald online, it's in the
Speaker 8: newspaper today about a couple who lost about one hundred
Speaker 8: and ten thousand dollars to a builder that took an
Speaker 8: extra couple of years, left the work unfinished, still hasn't
Speaker 8: got coded compliance and so on. And so the censure
Speaker 8: for that particular builder, seventeen hundred bucks hasn't even had
Speaker 8: a license suspended. So what is it that you want
Speaker 8: to do? Because to be fair, when I when I
Speaker 8: heard the announcement, I thought, well, hang on, you're already
Speaker 8: talking about things that are already there. The disciplinary board's
Speaker 8: been there, the ability to censure LBPS has been there
Speaker 8: to implement fines. What's changing?
Speaker 15: Yeah, a very good question, and I just to acknowledge
Speaker 15: I'm obviously I come in on that case not having
Speaker 15: read that, but b because I mean number one, it
Speaker 15: sounds like it's one of very many in the space.
Speaker 15: So there's a lot of something that's broken at a
Speaker 15: system level.
Speaker 17: Yeah.
Speaker 15: Yeah, so we're without knowing as circumstances, it is all
Speaker 15: too common to hear about this. So so it's a
Speaker 15: matter of fairness that we do something about that. But
Speaker 15: actually as well, if I can, just if you're only
Speaker 15: just indulge me for a moment, to get back into
Speaker 15: the bigger picture, you know, to the extent that we
Speaker 15: can be more enabling for trusted building professionals who do
Speaker 15: have a good track record and and you know, will
Speaker 15: be accountable and not simply disappear off into the distance
Speaker 15: of things go badly. If we're going to be more
Speaker 15: enabling there to beat up with system, we also need
Speaker 15: to say, well, actually, who cannot be trusted to do that?
Speaker 15: And where do we actually need to be more you know,
Speaker 15: accountable and in place greater scrutiny and The answer is,
Speaker 15: you know, I've used the phrase cowboys, and I know
Speaker 15: it's a bit club to sort of use that, that
Speaker 15: that's vernacular, but people do have a good.
Speaker 8: Understand I think everyone knows what you mean. So why
Speaker 8: not yeah, exactly.
Speaker 15: Yeah, So in terms of what we do, I mean,
Speaker 15: there are a few different ways you can attack this.
Speaker 15: One actually is an interesting disconnect I've discovered, which is
Speaker 15: that whereas council inspectors in building control offices sometimes say
Speaker 15: we've got some terrible work going on around the past.
Speaker 15: You know, I've gone out and I've seen some of this,
Speaker 15: they're not making it up. There are some pretty bad
Speaker 15: practices out.
Speaker 8: Pretty shorekeepers thing going on.
Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, that's right. If I talk to the Building
Speaker 15: Practitioners Board and they say, well, we don't we're not
Speaker 15: always aware of this, you know. So this is a
Speaker 15: body that does the disciplinary stuff, but it doesn't get
Speaker 15: reported to them, and sometimes it doesn't, and it's no
Speaker 15: requirement for it to be reported. Sure, we're just going
Speaker 15: to continue to get what we've always had. So that's one.
Speaker 15: Another thing is to give them the tools that they
Speaker 15: need in attempts enforcing remedial action, like training orders, which
Speaker 15: is pretty much.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 15: So sometimes it might be poor performance, but it might
Speaker 15: be amount of ethics. It might just simply be that
Speaker 15: a builder doesn't know what he or she is doing,
Speaker 15: and it's a hod of, you know, basically getting them
Speaker 15: to come up to scratch and then they can carry
Speaker 15: on and everyone will be happy going forward. But she
Speaker 15: is no diary teeth.
Speaker 6: At the moment.
Speaker 15: That so add that to greater disciplinary penalties, which is
Speaker 15: something we haven't announced, but except to say that we're
Speaker 15: looking at that as well. Now, I think we start
Speaker 15: to build up a bit of a picture of how
Speaker 15: we can have a bit more teeth are for those
Speaker 15: cowboy builders that are otherwise leaving people very much for
Speaker 15: rest in some cases.
Speaker 8: Because surprisingly, given that the Code of Ethics for LBPS
Speaker 8: has been in place since I think October twenty twenty two,
Speaker 8: I'm still a little bit surprised more alarmingly the builders
Speaker 8: that I talk to who don't know about it. And
Speaker 8: then I'm saying to clients these days, if you're contracting
Speaker 8: with a builder, you should read it yourself, right. It
Speaker 8: is actually a really good piece of legislation came in
Speaker 8: twenty twenty two. Familiarize yourself with it because I suspect
Speaker 8: that most disputes with LBPS are actually around their practice
Speaker 8: rather than the actual building.
Speaker 15: Yes, I'm sure that's true. Yeah, Yeah, that's interesting. I mean,
Speaker 15: if if you've found a general lack of out there
Speaker 15: on that, then there'll be a way to be a problem.
Speaker 15: But if even some of the other trades without getting
Speaker 15: to them one by one, don't hit that kind of
Speaker 15: cod of ethics basis as well, and it's a problem
Speaker 15: if you want to tell someone to count for, you know,
Speaker 15: practices that might be around lack of communication or handling
Speaker 15: of money as opposed to the actual building us themselves
Speaker 15: in for worknership. As you say, I've.
Speaker 8: Had a number of texts that have complained at the
Speaker 8: fact that I haven't asked you about granny flats. But
Speaker 8: what we did decide is that and you are very
Speaker 8: generous and offering that to come into the studio and
Speaker 8: do some talk back on this. So we'll pin down
Speaker 8: a date for that and we'll we'll get you back.
Speaker 8: And can I also say too, just in that recent announcement,
Speaker 8: that I think the idea of a waterproofing class for
Speaker 8: LBPS is good. I think it's been a gap in
Speaker 8: the system that it seems like now MB's going to
Speaker 8: plug pardon the pun, about waterproofing for a new waterproofing class.
Speaker 8: I think that's really good.
Speaker 15: Yeah, I think let's beck and as you say, we
Speaker 15: can get into many other areas, but thin Granni flips
Speaker 15: on a future occasion as time allows. But I'm sending
Speaker 15: me up to the conversation. But can I just acknowledge
Speaker 15: the point around the waterproofing cost Actually that specifically came
Speaker 15: out of the consultation on the Grannie fats you. Yes,
Speaker 15: clearly level entry showers yep, you know, proven that kind
Speaker 15: of accommodation, and so we listen to that feedback and thought, well,
Speaker 15: actually this was probably something more generally across the board
Speaker 15: that we need to provide for.
Speaker 8: Okay, Chris, thank you very much for your time this morning.
Speaker 8: I'll reach out to your people, they'll talk to my people.
Speaker 8: We'll get a time when you can come into the
Speaker 8: studio and we'll let loose the telephone lines and you
Speaker 8: can have a chat with people here at ZB. Appreciate
Speaker 8: your time this morning. Pleasure take care. Yes. So in
Speaker 8: answer to the person that goes what's the text peak,
Speaker 8: very disappointed in you and zb you're talking to Chris
Speaker 8: Pink immediately after the seventy square meter granny flat announcement
Speaker 8: and you're not prepared to ask him questions. This has
Speaker 8: huge implications property owners and the construction industry. Given that
Speaker 8: there has been announcement, there should also be the ability
Speaker 8: to tusk it straight away, not in a month's time.
Speaker 8: Won't be listening to you again, thank you. I would
Speaker 8: suggest you do listen because the Minister will come in
Speaker 8: and we'll talk about it in depth. This is what
Speaker 8: I decided that we would talk about when I reached
Speaker 8: out to him two weeks ago prior to the announcement
Speaker 8: on Friday. Righty, oh, let's go into the garden. A
Speaker 8: red kline past is standing by. I think he's happily
Speaker 8: at the departure lounge maybe at christ Church Airport. Will
Speaker 8: reach out to Ridd and we will talk all things
Speaker 8: gardening and the wonderful world of bugs. And for those
Speaker 8: people that call in, here's your incentive. We've got a
Speaker 8: Clark cultivator. You've heard talk about them. I've used them myself.
Speaker 8: We've got one of those to give away on the
Speaker 8: show this morning as well. It is eight point thirty
Speaker 8: good squeaky.
Speaker 2: Door or squeaky floor.
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