WEBVTT - Full Show Podcast: 06 April 2025 0:00:06.815 --> 0:00:10.015 You're listening to the Resident build Up podcast with Peter 0:00:10.135 --> 0:00:12.095 Wolfcamp from News Talk Seat Bay. 0:00:13.335 --> 0:00:15.495 Squeaky Door or Squeaky Floor. 0:00:15.655 --> 0:00:18.975 Get the right advice from Peter Wolfcare, the Resident Builder 0:00:19.215 --> 0:00:20.375 on news Talk shad Bay. 0:00:23.215 --> 0:00:29.015 The house sizzor even when it's dark, even when the 0:00:29.095 --> 0:00:34.655 grass is overgrown in the yard, even when a dog. 0:00:34.655 --> 0:00:38.855 Is too old to bar, and when you're sitting at 0:00:38.855 --> 0:00:45.935 the table trying not to start scissor hole, even when 0:00:46.135 --> 0:01:03.295 we are bend, even when you're therellone house sizzle hole, 0:01:03.975 --> 0:01:08.615 even when there's ghost even when you go around from 0:01:08.655 --> 0:01:09.215 the ones you. 0:01:09.295 --> 0:01:14.295 Love, your moms scream broken pains appearing in. 0:01:14.255 --> 0:01:14.615 Front of the. 0:01:17.055 --> 0:01:17.455 Locals. 0:01:17.535 --> 0:01:19.415 We's when they're going leaving. 0:01:19.175 --> 0:01:29.935 Them, even when will then, even when you're in their lone. 0:01:38.335 --> 0:01:40.535 Well, A very good morning and welcome along to the 0:01:40.575 --> 0:01:43.895 Resident Builder on Sunday. You're with me, Peter wolf Camp, 0:01:43.935 --> 0:01:46.695 the Resident Builder, and this is an opportunity to talk 0:01:46.775 --> 0:01:50.455 all things building and construction. And can I say right 0:01:50.535 --> 0:01:55.535 now in terms of the I guess the political, the governmental, 0:01:55.615 --> 0:01:58.935 the regulatory side of things. Announcements are coming thick and 0:01:59.055 --> 0:02:02.815 fast from the current government around a whole bunch of 0:02:02.855 --> 0:02:06.855 building issues and even in the last forty eight or so, 0:02:08.255 --> 0:02:12.775 quite a big story about the maximum size of a 0:02:12.975 --> 0:02:15.935 granny flat that can be built in the backyard of 0:02:15.935 --> 0:02:19.615 an existing property has been settled on at around at 0:02:19.695 --> 0:02:23.695 seventy square meters. There's a lot to unpack it just 0:02:23.775 --> 0:02:27.695 in that story alone. On top of recent announcements, A 0:02:27.735 --> 0:02:31.055 couple of days prior to that, Chris Penk did a 0:02:31.095 --> 0:02:34.735 couple of little videos talking about cowboy builders and what 0:02:34.775 --> 0:02:39.975 they hope to be able to do around lbps that 0:02:40.015 --> 0:02:43.655 are not performing particularly well. So that's a whole new topic. 0:02:44.015 --> 0:02:47.175 Prior to that was announcements about the government sort of 0:02:47.215 --> 0:02:53.255 having an oversight into the effectiveness the efficiency of building 0:02:53.255 --> 0:02:57.735 consent authorities basically councils, and how they process building consents. 0:02:57.975 --> 0:03:00.975 It's been identified that that's often a bit of a 0:03:01.015 --> 0:03:03.975 source for some delay in terms of getting new houses 0:03:04.055 --> 0:03:06.735 or renovations done. Is it takes too long to get 0:03:06.735 --> 0:03:09.815 a building consent, so it's just announcement upon announcement, upon 0:03:09.855 --> 0:03:12.775 announcement upon announcements. A lot of that is I think 0:03:12.895 --> 0:03:16.695 really good in the sense that we're moving, but there's 0:03:16.775 --> 0:03:17.975 quite a lot to it, and there's a bit to 0:03:18.055 --> 0:03:20.935 unpick and who better to talk to about these things 0:03:20.935 --> 0:03:24.015 than the Minister himself. So Chris Pink is going to 0:03:24.095 --> 0:03:27.255 join me on the program after eight o'clock, fairly briefly, 0:03:27.295 --> 0:03:30.255 because I've said to him, let's just talk about the 0:03:30.295 --> 0:03:32.895 BCAS and now we'll talk a little bit about this 0:03:32.975 --> 0:03:39.535 announcement about Cowboy Builders, and then we will actually get 0:03:39.575 --> 0:03:42.095 him back into the studio in maybe a month's time 0:03:42.175 --> 0:03:44.655 or so and do some talk back. So he's happy 0:03:44.655 --> 0:03:47.295 to take your calls in about a month's time, so 0:03:47.295 --> 0:03:50.015 we'll do that. But today on the program after eight o'clock, 0:03:50.735 --> 0:03:55.575 the Minister for Building and Construction, Chris Pink, will be 0:03:55.815 --> 0:03:57.575 on the line and we'll have a bit of a 0:03:57.655 --> 0:04:00.655 chat about a couple of things, particularly BCAS. Between now 0:04:00.655 --> 0:04:02.975 and then. Obviously it's an opportunity for you to have 0:04:03.095 --> 0:04:06.295 your say and to talk about issues that are important 0:04:06.535 --> 0:04:12.655 to you in terms of construction, renovations, alterations, maybe legislations, 0:04:12.655 --> 0:04:15.735 maybe product selection. There is a lot to talk about, 0:04:15.775 --> 0:04:18.975 and of course today we're we're all bouncing around. I 0:04:19.055 --> 0:04:23.055 woke at my normal time about sort of five o'clock 0:04:23.055 --> 0:04:26.695 in the morning without the alarm and thought, oh goody, 0:04:27.015 --> 0:04:29.015 I've got an extra hours sleep. So yes, it is 0:04:29.095 --> 0:04:31.815 daylight saving or we've moved out of daylight saving back 0:04:31.855 --> 0:04:34.815 into regular time, so it's eleven minutes after six or 0:04:34.855 --> 0:04:37.855 coming up eleven minutes after six. We can take your 0:04:37.935 --> 0:04:40.815 calls right now. So oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty 0:04:40.935 --> 0:04:43.255 is the number you can text. Of course, that's nine 0:04:43.375 --> 0:04:45.935 two nine two, And if you'd like to email me, 0:04:46.455 --> 0:04:49.455 it is Pete at newstalk SDB dot co dot N 0:04:49.655 --> 0:04:52.855 said so at just after eleven minutes after six on 0:04:52.895 --> 0:04:55.655 this the sixth day of April. What's on your mind? 0:04:55.655 --> 0:04:59.055 What are you thinking about? I was down in Tolpool 0:04:59.655 --> 0:05:02.895 yesterday for the Home and Garden Show. I shot down 0:05:02.935 --> 0:05:06.175 on Friday in kind of quite miserable conditions to be 0:05:06.375 --> 0:05:09.415 fair for much of the Upper North Island, so a 0:05:09.535 --> 0:05:14.975 slow trip tootling along down to Toulpo, stayed overnight, had 0:05:14.975 --> 0:05:17.215 an event on Friday night, spent quite a bit of 0:05:17.255 --> 0:05:18.975 time at the Home and Garden Show, which is on 0:05:19.015 --> 0:05:21.895 at the Great Lake Center still on today. Actually it'll 0:05:21.895 --> 0:05:23.735 be a much more pleasant day today than it was 0:05:23.775 --> 0:05:27.015 on Friday. Yesterday was pretty good as well, beautiful sunshine 0:05:27.055 --> 0:05:29.735 just to completely from when I went to bed, when 0:05:29.735 --> 0:05:31.775 I woke up and I was staying quite near the 0:05:31.855 --> 0:05:35.815 lake front. Completely different outset or outlook from the window. 0:05:35.895 --> 0:05:40.495 So beautiful day in Tolpo yesterday, but an opportunity to 0:05:40.535 --> 0:05:42.455 talk to a whole bunch of people, whether it was 0:05:42.615 --> 0:05:45.215 like there was a bunch of exhibitors, a couple of 0:05:45.255 --> 0:05:49.095 people involved in housing companies, and just being able to 0:05:49.175 --> 0:05:52.935 have conversations around you know, what does the market look like, 0:05:53.135 --> 0:05:56.295 what's happening with your clients? Where what are clients wanting. 0:05:56.695 --> 0:05:59.335 There's a couple of people there involved. I had a 0:05:59.335 --> 0:06:01.935 bit of time with Ian Chamberlain, who's running a small 0:06:02.375 --> 0:06:05.295 ishue a reasonably large building company out of Tolpo, and 0:06:05.295 --> 0:06:09.095 he's involved with New Zealand certified builders as well, so 0:06:09.175 --> 0:06:13.935 we had quite a good catch up around what client 0:06:14.135 --> 0:06:17.895 expectations are in terms of are we seeing people moving 0:06:17.935 --> 0:06:23.535 towards making more informed decisions around building energy efficient homes, 0:06:23.535 --> 0:06:26.775 building more sustainable homes, looking for air tightness, looking for 0:06:26.855 --> 0:06:31.495 air quality, thinking about the thermal performance of the home, 0:06:31.695 --> 0:06:34.015 or are we still seeing people just wanting what we've 0:06:34.015 --> 0:06:38.175 always had. So that was interesting to talk about changes 0:06:38.215 --> 0:06:42.775 in legislation, talk about the impact of what's self certification 0:06:42.935 --> 0:06:45.335 going to look like for the industry, what's going to 0:06:45.415 --> 0:06:49.975 happen when, as was announced on Friday, potentially you can 0:06:50.055 --> 0:06:53.135 build seventy square meters. Seventy square meters is not a 0:06:53.175 --> 0:06:58.535 small building. Some years ago we lived in a little 0:06:58.535 --> 0:07:01.735 bricantile unit and that was fifty square meters and we 0:07:01.775 --> 0:07:05.495 lived there for a number of years. So seventy square 0:07:05.535 --> 0:07:11.535 meters in the without necessarily requiring a building consent is 0:07:11.615 --> 0:07:17.495 quite a big building with no oversight from council. So 0:07:17.535 --> 0:07:20.455 that that's a whole topic to unpack with the minister. 0:07:20.535 --> 0:07:23.215 But I'm going to park that for now and just 0:07:23.255 --> 0:07:26.055 focus on the topics that we'd agreed to talk about. 0:07:26.055 --> 0:07:28.975 But like I say, the Minister at Chris Pink wants 0:07:28.975 --> 0:07:31.055 to come back into the studio, I'd like to come 0:07:31.135 --> 0:07:33.015 in and have a chat with you. So we're going 0:07:33.055 --> 0:07:36.215 to do some talk back within a month, I would say, 0:07:36.735 --> 0:07:39.735 I'll get that sorted out today, right, let's get into it. 0:07:39.735 --> 0:07:43.775 It's because we're all up and about. It's daylight savings ended, 0:07:43.775 --> 0:07:45.815 so we're all ahead of our sales by an hour. 0:07:46.095 --> 0:07:48.335 Our eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number 0:07:48.335 --> 0:07:49.815 to call. You can call right now. We've got a 0:07:49.855 --> 0:07:52.495 couple of interviews to do during the show. Red Climb 0:07:52.535 --> 0:07:55.975 passed as always, will join us at eight thirty as well, 0:07:56.895 --> 0:07:58.735 and we've got a bit of a giveaway as well, 0:07:58.775 --> 0:08:01.695 just quietly, so we'll do that with it at around 0:08:02.095 --> 0:08:04.735 eight thirty through till nine o'clock this morning. So a 0:08:04.815 --> 0:08:07.415 very good morning to you. Welcome along to the show. 0:08:07.615 --> 0:08:09.855 Let's get stuck in anything that you'd like to talk 0:08:09.895 --> 0:08:15.975 about with regard to building construction regulations, product product selection compliance. 0:08:16.975 --> 0:08:19.695 It's all on the table. We can talk about it all. Oh, 0:08:19.735 --> 0:08:22.135 eight hundred and eighty ten eighty before the break, A 0:08:22.135 --> 0:08:27.175 couple of quick texts, Oh, this is a good one 0:08:27.375 --> 0:08:29.775 from Doug and Taranaki. Hey Pete, is it all right 0:08:29.815 --> 0:08:32.135 if I get a sparky to run power to an 0:08:32.295 --> 0:08:36.975 unconsented pole shed? Thanks? Love the show. Not appreciate you 0:08:37.055 --> 0:08:42.015 calling or texting Doug. Yes, I don't see why you're 0:08:42.175 --> 0:08:45.895 electrician can't run power obviously. See this is the interesting 0:08:45.935 --> 0:08:51.255 thing with electricians. Gas fitter is electricians and gas fitter 0:08:51.255 --> 0:08:57.055 is prenominantly they are self certifying, right, so they need 0:08:57.095 --> 0:09:02.255 to comply with the regulations, but they then regulate themselves 0:09:02.375 --> 0:09:04.855 or they have to ensure that their work is compliant 0:09:06.455 --> 0:09:08.975 so in terms of doing it to code and to 0:09:09.055 --> 0:09:12.135 the appropriate standards. So yes, they could do it. But 0:09:12.215 --> 0:09:14.535 for example, if it is going to be run out there, 0:09:14.655 --> 0:09:16.495 is it going to go overhead, in which case I'm 0:09:16.495 --> 0:09:19.095 sure there's regulations about that. Is it going to go 0:09:19.255 --> 0:09:24.535 underground in case then there are definitely regulations around how 0:09:24.575 --> 0:09:27.095 deep the trench has to be, what type of cable 0:09:27.175 --> 0:09:30.935 goes into it, whether it needs to be in conduit, etc. 0:09:31.295 --> 0:09:34.135 Do you put in a sub board into the shed, 0:09:34.815 --> 0:09:38.735 which is again I'm not a sparky, but I certainly 0:09:38.775 --> 0:09:41.135 would so I'd run a decent sized mane out there, 0:09:41.215 --> 0:09:43.935 put a subboard in there, and then whatever wiring has 0:09:43.975 --> 0:09:47.415 done inside the shed would need to be appropriate, and 0:09:47.455 --> 0:09:50.095 you'd probably want to put an extra breaker on the 0:09:50.095 --> 0:09:52.695 board inside the house to ensure that all of that's 0:09:52.775 --> 0:09:55.295 just on one circuit. But yeah, I mean, look, if 0:09:55.335 --> 0:09:58.295 you're sparky, your electrician is prepared to do it, and 0:09:58.375 --> 0:10:02.055 they do it according to their own regulations, then yes, 0:10:02.295 --> 0:10:05.375 absolutely you can do that. There's no one to go 0:10:05.455 --> 0:10:09.495 to consent get that done. Basically, I'm moving into a 0:10:09.495 --> 0:10:12.815 new house before the final inspection, still needs some decks 0:10:12.815 --> 0:10:16.535 to complete. Is it the contract works insurance will need 0:10:16.575 --> 0:10:21.255 to modify or to get another policy through our normal insurer. Well, 0:10:21.335 --> 0:10:24.695 perfect timing for your question, Nick, because I had the 0:10:24.735 --> 0:10:28.055 opportunity to spend quite a bit of time discussing the 0:10:28.135 --> 0:10:33.135 sorts of insurances that you need for renovations and new 0:10:33.175 --> 0:10:37.175 builds with an insurance specialist during the course of the week. 0:10:39.015 --> 0:10:42.695 And to be fair, I would have thought that moving 0:10:42.735 --> 0:10:46.135 in before a new house, like you've obviously moved in 0:10:46.175 --> 0:10:50.055 but you haven't settled, because a developer is effectively not 0:10:50.175 --> 0:10:53.935 allowed to sell a house without a code of compliance, 0:10:54.895 --> 0:10:56.535 and you won't have a code of compliance if you 0:10:56.575 --> 0:10:59.855 haven't had a final inspection. So are you moving in 0:10:59.975 --> 0:11:03.695 and renting or are you moving in and you've purchased it, 0:11:03.775 --> 0:11:06.615 but you've purchased a new house from a developer without 0:11:06.655 --> 0:11:10.855 a code of compliance. Just for clarity, you can buy 0:11:10.975 --> 0:11:13.455 an existing house. This my understanding. You can buy an 0:11:13.455 --> 0:11:15.855 existing house if it doesn't have a code of compliance. 0:11:16.215 --> 0:11:18.255 Let's say it had a consent from a couple of 0:11:18.335 --> 0:11:20.135 years ago and never got signed off and it didn't 0:11:20.175 --> 0:11:24.775 get CCC. You can buy that. But developers who are 0:11:24.815 --> 0:11:28.735 building to sell must have a code of compliance before 0:11:28.775 --> 0:11:31.375 they sell that property. So I think there might be 0:11:31.415 --> 0:11:34.855 a little bit more in that question than a peers. 0:11:35.495 --> 0:11:37.095 We will take a short break. We're going to jump 0:11:37.135 --> 0:11:39.095 into the calls in just a moment. If you'd like 0:11:39.135 --> 0:11:40.895 to join us. I'd love to hear from you this morning, 0:11:40.935 --> 0:11:43.815 as I do every Sunday morning. Eight hundred and eighty 0:11:43.855 --> 0:11:45.735 ten eighty is the number to court. Might be too 0:11:45.775 --> 0:11:48.655 early to do a little shout out too. A delightful 0:11:48.695 --> 0:11:52.615 couple that I met yesterday tootling back from Topo. There's 0:11:53.215 --> 0:11:57.615 State Highway one north of Topo is closed for repairs 0:11:57.655 --> 0:12:01.015 or rebuilding, and I did all these detours on my 0:12:01.055 --> 0:12:02.695 way down, and on the way back I thought, I'm 0:12:02.695 --> 0:12:04.335 not going to bother with the detours. I'll just do 0:12:04.415 --> 0:12:08.455 a big loop sort of through a keynot kihi kihi 0:12:08.895 --> 0:12:12.615 tawamutu o'halpo and round the back of Hamilton, join up 0:12:12.655 --> 0:12:14.855 sort of a round Frankton there, which was a lovely 0:12:14.935 --> 0:12:17.775 drive through the countryside to be fair. And as I 0:12:17.815 --> 0:12:20.735 was going through Halpo, I saw a little store on 0:12:20.775 --> 0:12:24.175 the side that had electic curiosities or electic antiques I 0:12:24.175 --> 0:12:26.455 think it's called and thought oh, that sounds like a 0:12:26.455 --> 0:12:30.895 bit of me. So wanderdon had a mooch around. Fantastic 0:12:30.935 --> 0:12:33.855 little and I love antique stores, secondhand stores, so they 0:12:33.855 --> 0:12:35.855 had a mooch around, and on my way out said 0:12:35.895 --> 0:12:38.415 thank you very much, enjoy the store, and got talking 0:12:38.415 --> 0:12:40.815 to the owners who were just delightful, I have to say, 0:12:41.775 --> 0:12:44.455 and we knew some people and da da dah. It 0:12:44.495 --> 0:12:46.855 was great fun. Anyway. So ohipo. It's on the main 0:12:46.935 --> 0:12:49.855 road as you go through. Fantastic little store and just 0:12:49.975 --> 0:12:53.775 the most delightful owners as well. So thanks for your 0:12:53.775 --> 0:12:57.975 time yesterday. Really enjoyed the store, RIGHTO. Nineteen minutes after six, 0:12:58.335 --> 0:13:01.295 the lines are open. Let's take a break, then we'll 0:13:01.335 --> 0:13:03.135 come back. We're into it. Oh eight hundred and eighty 0:13:03.135 --> 0:13:05.175 teen eighty the number helping. 0:13:04.935 --> 0:13:07.815 You get those di wipe projects done. Right to the 0:13:07.975 --> 0:13:14.415 resident builder with Beata Wolfcat call us talk zb righty. 0:13:14.455 --> 0:13:17.575 Oh a quick text just before we rip into it morning, Pete, 0:13:17.615 --> 0:13:19.935 you said no oversight by council. My reaction to that 0:13:20.015 --> 0:13:21.615 is that's good to get them out of the picture. 0:13:21.615 --> 0:13:23.575 I've spent over thirty years in the industry as a 0:13:23.575 --> 0:13:26.335 small player, but I've always found counsel to be heavily 0:13:26.335 --> 0:13:30.135 bureaucratic and stifling. Many projects I've wanted to do have 0:13:30.215 --> 0:13:33.735 been ruined or blocked by a myroad of reasons. Thank you, David. 0:13:34.975 --> 0:13:37.215 And to be fair, I spent a bit of last 0:13:37.295 --> 0:13:40.615 night reading through a very well informed, very well thought 0:13:40.655 --> 0:13:46.055 out response to the possibility of sort of seventy square 0:13:46.095 --> 0:13:52.295 meter granny flats being built without the involvement of council 0:13:52.415 --> 0:13:55.055 and all of the concerns about that. So I think 0:13:55.095 --> 0:13:57.375 this is going to be a good little battleground for 0:13:57.455 --> 0:14:00.495 quite a while for those people in favor and those 0:14:00.575 --> 0:14:07.255 people deeply concerned about the possibility that you know, significant 0:14:07.295 --> 0:14:12.335 because seventy square meters is not small, right, and being 0:14:12.375 --> 0:14:17.375 built without necessarily with all of the responsibility being put 0:14:17.415 --> 0:14:27.135 onto the individuals involved who might not be completely competent. Possibly, 0:14:27.895 --> 0:14:29.695 But hey, look, I take your point, and I appreciate you. 0:14:29.735 --> 0:14:35.935 Call Pete. Good morning to you. Hello, Pink, Hey, now 0:14:35.975 --> 0:14:37.775 are you very well in yourself? 0:14:38.855 --> 0:14:39.055 Oh? 0:14:39.255 --> 0:14:39.775 Wonderful? 0:14:39.895 --> 0:14:40.135 Good? 0:14:40.215 --> 0:14:47.255 Even better after an extra our sleep. Yeah, Peter, I've 0:14:47.335 --> 0:14:51.055 just moved into a new property just north of Levin 0:14:51.775 --> 0:14:55.295 and had the opportunity now with a wonderful north facing 0:14:55.335 --> 0:14:57.775 aspect to put some smaller panels on the roof of 0:14:57.775 --> 0:15:02.735 this house and viewing this process as an investment in 0:15:02.735 --> 0:15:05.895 that the one proposal I've had suggests that I should 0:15:05.895 --> 0:15:09.295 get about ten return on the investment in solar panels, 0:15:10.095 --> 0:15:13.735 not including a battery at the stage. But I've seen 0:15:14.095 --> 0:15:21.855 a recent video about longer term problems with the installation 0:15:22.095 --> 0:15:26.415 process of the panels on various styles of roof in 0:15:26.535 --> 0:15:32.175 particular tile roofs, where over time there is a very 0:15:32.215 --> 0:15:36.055 fine line between getting the height right of the bracket 0:15:36.135 --> 0:15:39.655 in between the tiles and where it's attached to the 0:15:40.175 --> 0:15:43.615 i'll call it the rafters, and the amount of force 0:15:43.695 --> 0:15:46.415 that can either crack tiles or leave gaps that will 0:15:46.455 --> 0:15:50.775 allow water to run by capillary action back up and 0:15:50.815 --> 0:15:56.135 cause leaks. The particular roof on this house is a 0:15:56.295 --> 0:15:59.735 metal tile roof, And I'm just wondering, if you've come 0:15:59.735 --> 0:16:03.255 across this problem, if you have any advice on what 0:16:03.295 --> 0:16:05.695 I should be asking installers about in terms of what 0:16:05.815 --> 0:16:07.855 they're going to do in terms of making sure we 0:16:07.895 --> 0:16:09.055 don't get long term leeks. 0:16:09.135 --> 0:16:12.095 Yeah. Sure, no, really good question and good to have 0:16:12.135 --> 0:16:14.935 those concerns, because I guess you know, if you're looking 0:16:14.975 --> 0:16:18.535 at kind of more conventional long run, whether it's a 0:16:18.575 --> 0:16:21.255 corrugated profile or a trim deck or a trade deck 0:16:21.375 --> 0:16:24.775 or whatever, where we're kind of used to working with 0:16:24.895 --> 0:16:28.175 those sorts of profiles. Whereas when you say metal tile, 0:16:28.575 --> 0:16:32.855 is it a like Gerrard fairly recent? Metal tile is 0:16:32.895 --> 0:16:36.735 an older dechromastic roof what's the vintage of that? 0:16:37.335 --> 0:16:42.895 It's the vintage is probably about nineteen twenty four, and 0:16:43.055 --> 0:16:47.535 it's the Sorry, what am I talking about? Two thousand 0:16:47.655 --> 0:16:49.055 and going to. 0:16:49.095 --> 0:16:53.415 Say nineteen twenty four? I don't think so, but anyway, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:16:53.415 --> 0:16:54.335 so it's a bit later than that. 0:16:54.855 --> 0:16:58.415 My apologies, you're not working at the morning yet. Sure, 0:16:59.735 --> 0:17:02.215 so that should have read two thousand and four. So 0:17:02.295 --> 0:17:03.975 the house is about one years old? 0:17:04.055 --> 0:17:07.615 Yeah, all right, And so the metal tile profile doesn't 0:17:07.615 --> 0:17:11.175 have the stone chip embedded in them? No, okay, yep. 0:17:13.815 --> 0:17:18.855 I guess the challenge for that is if you fix 0:17:18.935 --> 0:17:22.495 through the pan, which is closest to the baton underneath, 0:17:23.095 --> 0:17:25.575 then you're also fixing where the water is going to be. 0:17:26.295 --> 0:17:30.895 Fixing through the rib on the top is depending on 0:17:30.935 --> 0:17:33.455 exactly the profile, So some of them sort of have 0:17:33.615 --> 0:17:36.255 the pan and then it rises then there's a little 0:17:37.375 --> 0:17:39.815 dip and then a crest and then a dip and 0:17:39.855 --> 0:17:41.895 then it goes down into the next pan. So it's 0:17:41.935 --> 0:17:45.655 like three ridges in a row with two troughs. Now, 0:17:45.695 --> 0:17:50.775 that's the strongest part of the tile, the metal profile tile, 0:17:52.055 --> 0:17:55.655 but it's also very difficult to seal that because you've 0:17:55.655 --> 0:17:59.375 got those little grooves in it. Look, I think really 0:17:59.455 --> 0:18:01.935 it's the sort of thing that when the installer comes, 0:18:02.215 --> 0:18:05.695 you've obviously, I think the great thing is you've identified 0:18:05.815 --> 0:18:08.695 a real, a genuine issue in terms of how are 0:18:08.695 --> 0:18:12.255 you going to seal the roof? Right. So again, if 0:18:12.335 --> 0:18:16.895 we're talking more conventional long run profiles, whether it's corrugated 0:18:16.935 --> 0:18:20.135 where you've got a smooth transfer between ridge and trough 0:18:20.175 --> 0:18:22.695 and so on, we know that if we fix through 0:18:22.695 --> 0:18:24.935 the top and we put an EDPM washer or a 0:18:24.975 --> 0:18:28.775 neoprene RuSHA underneath the fixings, that will seal the penetration. 0:18:28.975 --> 0:18:33.055 And because it's on the top border tends to run off. Absolutely, 0:18:33.455 --> 0:18:35.655 you know that's the thing. Whereas that's not the case. 0:18:35.695 --> 0:18:41.735 So look, there will be a solution for it, but 0:18:41.815 --> 0:18:44.815 you've you've got to well, you will ask the right 0:18:44.895 --> 0:18:50.695 questions and you'll also you know, be. You can judge 0:18:50.695 --> 0:18:52.735 it for yourself as to whether or not you feel 0:18:52.735 --> 0:18:56.415 at the person giving you the answer actually really knows 0:18:56.415 --> 0:18:57.335 what they're talking about. 0:18:58.455 --> 0:19:02.175 Yeah, okay, So, having been in the aluminium joinery manufacturing 0:19:02.175 --> 0:19:09.375 and installation business myself some years ago, I'm just wondering 0:19:09.375 --> 0:19:12.735 if there's any standard that appliers, any best practice that 0:19:12.855 --> 0:19:15.735 appliers that could be used to say, hey, how are 0:19:15.735 --> 0:19:17.175 you complying with us? 0:19:17.895 --> 0:19:20.895 It's a very good question actually, look to be fair, 0:19:20.935 --> 0:19:24.335 I spent quite a bit of time with a solar 0:19:24.415 --> 0:19:30.415 installer at the home show yesterday in Telpo, and I've 0:19:30.415 --> 0:19:33.255 got a sort of follow up meeting booked with them 0:19:33.415 --> 0:19:35.615 sometime in the next couple of weeks. So, but whether 0:19:35.695 --> 0:19:38.415 or not there is a code of practice or a 0:19:38.455 --> 0:19:42.455 best practice guide for solar installation, I'm not sure whether 0:19:42.495 --> 0:19:47.135 there's like a solar installers association, you know, but like 0:19:47.255 --> 0:19:50.855 roofing Association or something like that. To you, blunt, I'm 0:19:50.895 --> 0:19:53.095 not sure. I'm sure that each of them have their 0:19:53.135 --> 0:19:57.415 own sort of you know, standard operating procedures. This is 0:19:57.455 --> 0:19:58.895 what we do in this roof, this is what we 0:19:58.975 --> 0:20:02.295 do in another one. Whether there is an agreed code 0:20:02.775 --> 0:20:05.855 to be fair. I don't know, no one's ever asked 0:20:05.895 --> 0:20:09.535 me the question, but I'm happy to look into it. Yeah, 0:20:12.375 --> 0:20:14.175 I need to move on, but just quickly, you talk 0:20:14.215 --> 0:20:17.455 about a ten percent return, how do you what's the 0:20:17.495 --> 0:20:19.335 metric for that? How do you determine that? 0:20:20.335 --> 0:20:23.375 Okay, so you're looking at about and I'll just use 0:20:23.455 --> 0:20:26.535 very rough term figures here, you're looking at about a 0:20:26.615 --> 0:20:31.455 capital investment of about twenty thousand dollars approximately, and in 0:20:31.575 --> 0:20:34.215 terms of a return, it is a reduction in your 0:20:34.295 --> 0:20:39.855 power bill of about two thousand dollars a year kense 0:20:40.255 --> 0:20:41.175 year return. 0:20:42.735 --> 0:20:45.495 Although you've got the you've got to repay the capital investment. 0:20:46.015 --> 0:20:49.775 So yeah, I think of it more in the way 0:20:49.815 --> 0:20:52.455 if you buy shares in the share market, you make 0:20:52.535 --> 0:20:55.615 a capital investment in those shares, and you're looking for 0:20:55.655 --> 0:20:59.815 an expected return in terms of dividends and capital gain. 0:20:59.935 --> 0:21:01.575 Yeah, fair enough, I get that. 0:21:01.615 --> 0:21:04.415 So again, this is the same sort of point. So 0:21:04.575 --> 0:21:07.575 it's it does make lot of sense in terms of 0:21:08.055 --> 0:21:10.215 with you use someone else's money or whether you use 0:21:10.295 --> 0:21:13.095 your own money. It's still an investment as such. I'll 0:21:13.095 --> 0:21:14.895 tell you what I'm setting inside the fact. 0:21:15.015 --> 0:21:17.455 What I found really fascinating with the whole soular thing 0:21:17.535 --> 0:21:21.535 is that you know, I can recall being involved in 0:21:21.575 --> 0:21:25.455 their installation, let's say fifteen or even twenty years ago, right, 0:21:26.575 --> 0:21:29.295 And at that point, one of the real issues was 0:21:29.375 --> 0:21:35.375 that typically it was about seven to ten years before 0:21:35.415 --> 0:21:38.055 you got your money back on your investment, right, so 0:21:38.415 --> 0:21:42.735 the savings paid for the investment and thereafter effectively was 0:21:42.775 --> 0:21:46.055 free power. But back then, what I found is that 0:21:46.095 --> 0:21:49.575 the panels often had a lifetime of about seven to 0:21:49.615 --> 0:21:52.455 ten years, in which case just at the point that 0:21:52.495 --> 0:21:55.535 you were getting some money back on them, they'd basically 0:21:55.815 --> 0:21:57.655 turn their toes up and you'd have to replace them, 0:21:57.655 --> 0:22:01.175 which I always thought that's not a great investment. But 0:22:02.415 --> 0:22:05.095 and I was looking at some panels yesterday, thirty year 0:22:05.135 --> 0:22:07.695 warranty on the panels, and after thirty years they'll be 0:22:07.735 --> 0:22:10.615 performing at eighty two percent or something like that. So 0:22:11.015 --> 0:22:15.695 that that's in and of itself, the efficiency and the 0:22:15.775 --> 0:22:20.815 longevity of the panels, I think changes the metric quite significantly. 0:22:22.295 --> 0:22:24.215 And look, I tell you what I will. I will 0:22:24.215 --> 0:22:26.775 make sure that I mentioned to James, who I'm going 0:22:26.775 --> 0:22:30.415 to catch up with to talk about that, and when 0:22:30.415 --> 0:22:32.295 I do, I'll mention it. And if you've got some 0:22:32.295 --> 0:22:34.735 more information, feel free to give us a call back. Pete, 0:22:34.735 --> 0:22:36.655 thank you very very much for your call. Oh eight 0:22:36.695 --> 0:22:39.215 hundred and eighty ten eighty six thirty two, and Bob, 0:22:39.295 --> 0:22:41.295 good morning, good. 0:22:41.215 --> 0:22:44.935 Morning, good morning. I would just like the comparison between 0:22:45.575 --> 0:22:48.975 real wood in an older home with you know, of 0:22:49.135 --> 0:22:53.535 the flooring, as opposed to artificial or stuff that you 0:22:53.615 --> 0:23:00.455 buy from the flooring shop, which would wear and tear better. 0:23:01.815 --> 0:23:05.615 Ah. Okay, I've been into. 0:23:05.415 --> 0:23:10.095 An older home. It's had beautiful wooden flooring beautifully done, 0:23:10.415 --> 0:23:15.895 and it's gone very scratchy, very marked, And how often 0:23:15.935 --> 0:23:20.695 would you need to re do that as opposed to 0:23:22.695 --> 0:23:26.815 stuff that's I presume it's artificial and that you lay 0:23:27.575 --> 0:23:31.255 directly onto the concrete floor that you're going to put 0:23:31.295 --> 0:23:34.535 in this home, right, craky. 0:23:34.615 --> 0:23:39.255 I mean, there's there's so many different elements there, and 0:23:39.655 --> 0:23:41.695 some of it might start with esthetics. 0:23:41.775 --> 0:23:41.935 Right. 0:23:42.015 --> 0:23:45.615 So, if for example, it's an existing older home, you 0:23:45.615 --> 0:23:47.935 know any eear up to sort of the nineteen fifties, 0:23:48.295 --> 0:23:52.575 typically we did strip flooring. Whether that was if you 0:23:52.615 --> 0:23:54.935 go back to villas, they were typically cowry. If you 0:23:54.975 --> 0:23:58.655 go into bungalows, they start to be matti. If you 0:23:58.735 --> 0:24:01.495