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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Resident build Up podcast with Peter

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Speaker 1: Wolfcamp from News Talk Seat Bay.

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Speaker 2: Squeaky Door or Squeaky Floor.

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Speaker 1: Get the right advice from Peter Wolfcare, the Resident Builder

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Speaker 1: on news Talk shad Bay.

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Speaker 3: The house sizzor even when it's dark, even when the

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Speaker 3: grass is overgrown in the yard, even when a dog.

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Speaker 4: Is too old to bar, and when you're sitting at

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Speaker 4: the table trying not to start scissor hole, even when

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Speaker 4: we are bend, even when you're therellone house sizzle hole,

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Speaker 4: even when there's ghost even when you go around from

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Speaker 4: the ones you.

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Speaker 2: Love, your moms scream broken pains appearing in.

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Speaker 5: Front of the.

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Speaker 6: Locals.

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Speaker 2: We's when they're going leaving.

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Speaker 7: Them, even when will then, even when you're in their lone.

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Speaker 8: Well, A very good morning and welcome along to the

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Speaker 8: Resident Builder on Sunday. You're with me, Peter wolf Camp,

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Speaker 8: the Resident Builder, and this is an opportunity to talk

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Speaker 8: all things building and construction. And can I say right

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Speaker 8: now in terms of the I guess the political, the governmental,

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Speaker 8: the regulatory side of things. Announcements are coming thick and

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Speaker 8: fast from the current government around a whole bunch of

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Speaker 8: building issues and even in the last forty eight or so,

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Speaker 8: quite a big story about the maximum size of a

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Speaker 8: an existing property has been settled on at around at

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Speaker 8: seventy square meters. There's a lot to unpack it just

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Speaker 8: in that story alone. On top of recent announcements, A

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Speaker 8: couple of days prior to that, Chris Penk did a

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Speaker 8: couple of little videos talking about cowboy builders and what

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Speaker 8: they hope to be able to do around lbps that

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Speaker 8: are not performing particularly well. So that's a whole new topic.

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Speaker 8: Prior to that was announcements about the government sort of

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Speaker 8: having an oversight into the effectiveness the efficiency of building

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Speaker 8: consent authorities basically councils, and how they process building consents.

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Speaker 8: It's been identified that that's often a bit of a

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Speaker 8: or renovations done. Is it takes too long to get

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Speaker 8: announcement upon announcements. A lot of that is I think

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Speaker 8: than the Minister himself. So Chris Pink is going to

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Speaker 8: join me on the program after eight o'clock, fairly briefly,

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Speaker 8: because I've said to him, let's just talk about the

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Speaker 8: announcement about Cowboy Builders, and then we will actually get

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Speaker 8: him back into the studio in maybe a month's time

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Speaker 8: or so and do some talk back. So he's happy

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Speaker 8: to take your calls in about a month's time, so

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Speaker 8: we'll do that. But today on the program after eight o'clock,

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Speaker 8: the Minister for Building and Construction, Chris Pink, will be

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Speaker 8: coming up eleven minutes after six. We can take your

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Speaker 8: two nine two, And if you'd like to email me,

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Speaker 8: it is Pete at newstalk SDB dot co dot N

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Speaker 8: said so at just after eleven minutes after six on

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Speaker 8: this the sixth day of April. What's on your mind?

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Speaker 8: What are you thinking about? I was down in Tolpool

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Speaker 8: So beautiful day in Tolpo yesterday, but an opportunity to

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Speaker 8: what's happening with your clients? Where what are clients wanting.

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Speaker 8: build seventy square meters. Seventy square meters is not a

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Speaker 8: But like I say, the Minister at Chris Pink wants

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Speaker 8: I'll get that sorted out today, right, let's get into it.

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Speaker 8: It's because we're all up and about. It's daylight savings ended,

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Speaker 8: Our eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

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Speaker 8: Let's get stuck in anything that you'd like to talk

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Speaker 8: It's all on the table. We can talk about it all. Oh,

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Speaker 8: from Doug and Taranaki. Hey Pete, is it all right

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Speaker 8: unconsented pole shed? Thanks? Love the show. Not appreciate you

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Speaker 8: calling or texting Doug. Yes, I don't see why you're

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Speaker 8: is prenominantly they are self certifying, right, so they need

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Speaker 8: which is again I'm not a sparky, but I certainly

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Speaker 8: absolutely you can do that. There's no one to go

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Speaker 8: to consent get that done. Basically, I'm moving into a

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Speaker 8: And to be fair, I would have thought that moving

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Speaker 8: Oh a quick text just before we rip into it morning, Pete,

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Speaker 8: Although you've got the you've got to repay the capital investment.

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Speaker 8: What I found really fascinating with the whole soular thing

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Speaker 8: I mean, there's there's so many different elements there, and

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Speaker 8: opted to have that direct fixed down, So we glued

430
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Speaker 8: that one down.

431
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Speaker 5: So how bad you know? In five years? Are you

432
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Speaker 5: happy with the wear and tear? I mean, is it

433
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Speaker 5: a hard area where like a kitchen dining area it

434
00:25:48,935 --> 00:25:49,615
Speaker 5: goes from.

435
00:25:49,415 --> 00:25:52,455
Speaker 8: The front door, through the hallway, through the lounge into

436
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Speaker 8: the kitchen area, and then out to the bifold doors

437
00:25:55,855 --> 00:25:59,175
Speaker 8: that go out into the rear yard. So yeah, it

438
00:25:59,175 --> 00:26:02,495
Speaker 8: gets a fair amount of wear and tear, but by

439
00:26:02,575 --> 00:26:04,735
Speaker 8: and lunch, I'm reasonably happy with it.

440
00:26:05,655 --> 00:26:06,295
Speaker 2: So I think.

441
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Speaker 8: I think the thing is, you know, if you're going

442
00:26:08,495 --> 00:26:11,895
Speaker 8: for timber, timber is always a little now, whether that's

443
00:26:11,935 --> 00:26:15,095
Speaker 8: an engineered floor or a natural floor, there's always going

444
00:26:15,135 --> 00:26:17,175
Speaker 8: to be wear and tears. So you know, if you

445
00:26:17,215 --> 00:26:19,655
Speaker 8: can be really disciplined around saying well, look, I'm not

446
00:26:19,695 --> 00:26:22,015
Speaker 8: going to wear hard shoes inside the house. It will

447
00:26:22,055 --> 00:26:25,535
Speaker 8: wear better, UV if you.

448
00:26:25,535 --> 00:26:27,095
Speaker 5: Let dogs dogs in the house.

449
00:26:27,175 --> 00:26:30,535
Speaker 8: No, no, no, no, no dogs. I mean, look we're

450
00:26:30,535 --> 00:26:32,535
Speaker 8: at home. We've got a cat, and the cat scratches

451
00:26:32,575 --> 00:26:36,655
Speaker 8: the floor, right, you know, charging around, playing games and

452
00:26:36,655 --> 00:26:40,375
Speaker 8: that sort of thing, so they wear right. Timber floors wear,

453
00:26:41,655 --> 00:26:44,975
Speaker 8: you know, if you're really after durability. In fact, on

454
00:26:45,015 --> 00:26:46,895
Speaker 8: the same project, I did a little cabin at the

455
00:26:46,935 --> 00:26:51,895
Speaker 8: back and I used timber lock tiles. So that's super

456
00:26:51,935 --> 00:26:55,655
Speaker 8: hard wearing, right, But at first glance it looks like timber,

457
00:26:57,655 --> 00:27:01,295
Speaker 8: so that that's an option in terms of the vinyls

458
00:27:01,615 --> 00:27:07,775
Speaker 8: because there are there are timber effect vinyl planking as well,

459
00:27:08,775 --> 00:27:11,975
Speaker 8: which might be a little bit hard, harder wearing, and

460
00:27:12,295 --> 00:27:16,575
Speaker 8: in some cases it's it's not easy, but it is repairable,

461
00:27:16,775 --> 00:27:18,975
Speaker 8: as in, you know, if you had some damage, let's

462
00:27:18,975 --> 00:27:21,255
Speaker 8: say you dropped a pan in the in the kitchen

463
00:27:21,695 --> 00:27:24,175
Speaker 8: and then it damaged the surface and you had some

464
00:27:24,295 --> 00:27:28,455
Speaker 8: left over, a suitably skilled person could replace that and

465
00:27:28,535 --> 00:27:31,135
Speaker 8: install it. So if it is going to be a

466
00:27:31,175 --> 00:27:34,375
Speaker 8: hard wearing area, you might look at a vinyl because

467
00:27:34,375 --> 00:27:39,255
Speaker 8: it's repaarable. That's an option, right, Okay, you know, everything

468
00:27:39,295 --> 00:27:42,135
Speaker 8: wears right, it just depends on.

469
00:27:42,095 --> 00:27:47,535
Speaker 5: How much than the manufactured stuff. Would you say that

470
00:27:48,495 --> 00:27:49,455
Speaker 5: as an argument.

471
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Speaker 8: I probably would, but I wouldn't say it in such

472
00:27:52,335 --> 00:27:54,815
Speaker 8: a way that you go, gosh, I wouldn't. I wouldn't

473
00:27:54,935 --> 00:28:01,055
Speaker 8: contemplate a timber surface because there's there's a warmth about

474
00:28:01,095 --> 00:28:03,975
Speaker 8: it and a feel to them as well, which you know,

475
00:28:04,055 --> 00:28:07,095
Speaker 8: you offset that with some of the r ability. I mean,

476
00:28:07,135 --> 00:28:11,295
Speaker 8: if you really want durability, you'd go for tiles or

477
00:28:11,495 --> 00:28:13,295
Speaker 8: you know, something like that. But then you might not

478
00:28:13,415 --> 00:28:16,055
Speaker 8: want that because it feels cold underfoot, or it's too

479
00:28:16,095 --> 00:28:17,175
Speaker 8: hard or something like that.

480
00:28:17,255 --> 00:28:19,335
Speaker 5: So yeah, break breaks too many plates.

481
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Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, I've always wondered about that, you know, because

482
00:28:23,495 --> 00:28:25,375
Speaker 9: I know, we used to do quite a lot of

483
00:28:25,415 --> 00:28:27,695
Speaker 9: houses and we'd tile the kitchen right, and people will go, no,

484
00:28:27,735 --> 00:28:29,255
Speaker 9: I don't want tiles in the kitchen because if I

485
00:28:29,335 --> 00:28:30,415
Speaker 9: dropped something, it'll break.

486
00:28:30,735 --> 00:28:32,375
Speaker 8: And I'm thinking, you know, I figure that if you

487
00:28:32,495 --> 00:28:34,855
Speaker 8: drop a glass onto a timber floor, it's going to

488
00:28:34,935 --> 00:28:37,695
Speaker 8: break almost the same as if you dropped it onto

489
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Speaker 8: a tile floor. I don't know that that's I'd love

490
00:28:40,335 --> 00:28:41,895
Speaker 8: to test that. Actually, if you've got a set of

491
00:28:41,895 --> 00:28:44,535
Speaker 8: glasses that you don't want. I'll do my own testing.

492
00:28:45,695 --> 00:28:47,255
Speaker 8: A nice to chat with you. Good luck with all

493
00:28:47,295 --> 00:28:50,655
Speaker 8: of those decisions. Take care bother. We'll take a short break.

494
00:28:50,695 --> 00:28:52,415
Speaker 8: We'll talk to Steve after the break. If you'd like

495
00:28:52,455 --> 00:28:54,655
Speaker 8: to join us, we've got lines free for you right now.

496
00:28:54,735 --> 00:28:57,895
Speaker 8: On this our first day back into regular time. Let's

497
00:28:57,935 --> 00:29:00,575
Speaker 8: say so it'll be a bit brighter in the mornings,

498
00:29:01,055 --> 00:29:03,135
Speaker 8: but it'll be it'll be a terrible shock to the

499
00:29:03,175 --> 00:29:05,815
Speaker 8: system tonight at about what's six thirty or so when

500
00:29:05,815 --> 00:29:08,055
Speaker 8: the sun goes down at eight hundred and eighty eight

501
00:29:08,175 --> 00:29:08,615
Speaker 8: the number to.

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Speaker 1: Call it what God was, but maybe called Pete. First,

503
00:29:13,015 --> 00:29:15,495
Speaker 1: you will get the resident Builder news talks.

504
00:29:15,495 --> 00:29:18,895
Speaker 8: They'd be some fantastic texts, but we'll we'll talk to

505
00:29:18,895 --> 00:29:22,735
Speaker 8: Steve first. Hello, Steve, good morning, morning morning.

506
00:29:23,855 --> 00:29:24,895
Speaker 10: I'm ringing from PARMI.

507
00:29:26,175 --> 00:29:26,935
Speaker 11: Nice day to day.

508
00:29:28,335 --> 00:29:31,455
Speaker 10: Look, I've got a two hundred and approx. Two hundred

509
00:29:31,495 --> 00:29:34,455
Speaker 10: and teen square made a double story home that was

510
00:29:34,455 --> 00:29:39,655
Speaker 10: built in the nineteen nineties. Had someone come around to

511
00:29:39,735 --> 00:29:41,855
Speaker 10: check the fireplate. I've got a box fire and my

512
00:29:41,975 --> 00:29:48,015
Speaker 10: sport yep and it's been smoking about the last probably

513
00:29:48,015 --> 00:29:50,015
Speaker 10: two or three years. To be honest and I wanted

514
00:29:50,015 --> 00:29:53,215
Speaker 10: to get a checked before I before winter settled in sure,

515
00:29:53,295 --> 00:29:56,415
Speaker 10: I thought I thought the battles might be crooked something. Anyway,

516
00:29:56,935 --> 00:30:01,495
Speaker 10: a guy comes around who is a guest that I think,

517
00:30:01,655 --> 00:30:04,495
Speaker 10: but they too far and he had a quick looking

518
00:30:04,575 --> 00:30:06,775
Speaker 10: sultan sit here alarms at crack been there, Yeah, I

519
00:30:06,775 --> 00:30:11,695
Speaker 10: noticed it a couple of years ago. He condemned it. Yeah,

520
00:30:12,935 --> 00:30:15,295
Speaker 10: which is when he explained it all, and I was

521
00:30:15,415 --> 00:30:18,215
Speaker 10: I was really happy with that because on the house.

522
00:30:18,055 --> 00:30:18,615
Speaker 6: To bend down.

523
00:30:20,895 --> 00:30:23,495
Speaker 10: But he talked about and reading My question to you

524
00:30:23,735 --> 00:30:28,775
Speaker 10: is now we left with it's a big lambs living

525
00:30:28,815 --> 00:30:31,655
Speaker 10: area which has closed off from another living area which

526
00:30:31,695 --> 00:30:35,295
Speaker 10: is a heat pump. And there's this whole thing of

527
00:30:35,335 --> 00:30:40,135
Speaker 10: replacing the fire with the fluid that goes through into

528
00:30:40,135 --> 00:30:43,255
Speaker 10: the second story and used to not heat that up

529
00:30:43,295 --> 00:30:47,815
Speaker 10: as well versus electric you know, heat pump and the

530
00:30:47,855 --> 00:30:50,775
Speaker 10: other the thing. The other thing I'll statement I make

531
00:30:50,935 --> 00:30:53,255
Speaker 10: is he little bit confused because he talked about having

532
00:30:53,335 --> 00:30:57,975
Speaker 10: to change locks on doors around the house replacing fire

533
00:30:58,095 --> 00:31:02,775
Speaker 10: because of the new compliance rules, like you know, he

534
00:31:02,855 --> 00:31:05,615
Speaker 10: had to look at all my exits and so those

535
00:31:05,655 --> 00:31:09,335
Speaker 10: locks would be suitable if we put a new fire

536
00:31:09,535 --> 00:31:13,695
Speaker 10: box because of regulations now, so anyway, I'll leave it.

537
00:31:15,255 --> 00:31:19,495
Speaker 8: I'll look into that. You know, it's it's quite possible

538
00:31:19,495 --> 00:31:22,575
Speaker 8: at rules. So was that around egress as in you're

539
00:31:22,615 --> 00:31:26,575
Speaker 8: not okay? So it's not about people being able to

540
00:31:26,575 --> 00:31:29,335
Speaker 8: get into the space. I'm thinking like the pool fencing, right,

541
00:31:29,375 --> 00:31:31,895
Speaker 8: so you can't let little ones into around the pool.

542
00:31:31,895 --> 00:31:35,455
Speaker 8: But this is if you're going to have an open fire. Well,

543
00:31:35,455 --> 00:31:37,255
Speaker 8: it's not even an open fire, it's.

544
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Speaker 10: Another just to put another because I'm just looking at

545
00:31:40,415 --> 00:31:44,615
Speaker 10: the replacement. I looked at a simple replacement of flifting

546
00:31:45,415 --> 00:31:49,095
Speaker 10: kill of what mass sport box again into the area

547
00:31:49,135 --> 00:31:50,575
Speaker 10: which is all bricked and tiled.

548
00:31:53,495 --> 00:31:53,855
Speaker 6: Yeah.

549
00:31:53,895 --> 00:31:56,655
Speaker 10: Anyway, when you talk about all these egresses having to

550
00:31:56,695 --> 00:32:00,135
Speaker 10: be looked at and bolts coming off, slide indoors and

551
00:32:00,175 --> 00:32:02,375
Speaker 10: all that, I started to think, well, there's to be

552
00:32:02,415 --> 00:32:03,175
Speaker 10: a rocket science.

553
00:32:06,735 --> 00:32:10,415
Speaker 8: Okay, So well let's put that to one side. What

554
00:32:10,455 --> 00:32:13,415
Speaker 8: are you thinking about doing with the fireplace because obviously

555
00:32:13,455 --> 00:32:15,935
Speaker 8: you can't use it given that it's probably unsafe if

556
00:32:15,935 --> 00:32:18,615
Speaker 8: it's got a great big crack in it, can you

557
00:32:19,535 --> 00:32:21,295
Speaker 8: I'm thinking too that if you were to pull it

558
00:32:21,335 --> 00:32:23,735
Speaker 8: out and put another one, and you will need to

559
00:32:23,775 --> 00:32:26,095
Speaker 8: go for a building consent for that as well. Counsel

560
00:32:26,175 --> 00:32:27,895
Speaker 8: want to know about these sorts of things.

561
00:32:28,095 --> 00:32:32,735
Speaker 10: Yeah, that's right, Yeah, yeah, and I guess yes, and

562
00:32:32,815 --> 00:32:36,095
Speaker 10: that he probably off the top of his head, said,

563
00:32:36,095 --> 00:32:39,535
Speaker 10: you properly ban get much change out of ten thousand.

564
00:32:40,575 --> 00:32:43,455
Speaker 8: In terms of for the whole project, for the whole program.

565
00:32:43,655 --> 00:32:46,975
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, I mean I've got some Yeah. It doesn't

566
00:32:47,015 --> 00:32:50,255
Speaker 10: need a seck of fluid triple flue they call them

567
00:32:50,255 --> 00:32:54,535
Speaker 10: now to go up through the second story, So there's

568
00:32:54,575 --> 00:32:58,695
Speaker 10: extra costs there. But I'm just weighing up where whether

569
00:32:58,695 --> 00:33:00,935
Speaker 10: I get a cheap pump in the area, you know

570
00:33:01,055 --> 00:33:06,495
Speaker 10: good follows by seven killer what peat pump and be

571
00:33:06,535 --> 00:33:06,975
Speaker 10: done with it?

572
00:33:08,135 --> 00:33:10,175
Speaker 8: What would you do with the fireplace? Just kind of

573
00:33:10,215 --> 00:33:11,415
Speaker 8: turn it into a decoration?

574
00:33:12,855 --> 00:33:19,255
Speaker 10: Well, I suggested that my son and the yea rather

575
00:33:19,295 --> 00:33:28,415
Speaker 10: has expive coming out. Yeah he is an electrician entry

576
00:33:28,495 --> 00:33:32,255
Speaker 10: but doesn't live in the same tilS were however, Yeah,

577
00:33:32,495 --> 00:33:35,615
Speaker 10: probably his suggestion was just pull down the bricks, do it,

578
00:33:35,695 --> 00:33:39,015
Speaker 10: or you and make them do up the lounge and

579
00:33:39,015 --> 00:33:41,455
Speaker 10: make a new corner for yourself and do something hideous

580
00:33:42,455 --> 00:33:43,335
Speaker 10: with the corner.

581
00:33:43,975 --> 00:33:45,975
Speaker 8: A bit of a challenge, isn't it. I tell you

582
00:33:45,975 --> 00:33:50,655
Speaker 8: what the other option is and I will give a

583
00:33:50,655 --> 00:33:52,495
Speaker 8: plug to these guys because I was in their factory

584
00:33:52,535 --> 00:33:59,255
Speaker 8: not long ago. Sear Fires E s ce A is

585
00:33:59,575 --> 00:34:03,535
Speaker 8: ce A. It's a Dunedin based so obviously a local

586
00:34:03,655 --> 00:34:07,535
Speaker 8: New Zealand based fire manufacture. They do gas fires, they

587
00:34:07,575 --> 00:34:12,415
Speaker 8: do timber fires. They also do interestingly enough, electric fires

588
00:34:14,335 --> 00:34:17,855
Speaker 8: with effectively a hologram. Now, I know that that might

589
00:34:18,015 --> 00:34:22,655
Speaker 8: sound tacky, but I've seen them and they're pretty good.

590
00:34:23,415 --> 00:34:25,335
Speaker 8: I'm just thinking about you know, if you've got the

591
00:34:25,335 --> 00:34:27,855
Speaker 8: scrape of opening, you've got the whole houses designed around

592
00:34:27,855 --> 00:34:30,535
Speaker 8: a fireplace basically, or that room will be. You pull

593
00:34:30,615 --> 00:34:33,215
Speaker 8: that one out, you put in an electric one, do

594
00:34:33,335 --> 00:34:36,335
Speaker 8: some minor trimmings around the edge. Bingo, You've still got

595
00:34:36,375 --> 00:34:39,335
Speaker 8: the heating and you've got the appearance and you don't

596
00:34:39,375 --> 00:34:42,255
Speaker 8: have to worry about flues and fire regulations because it's.

597
00:34:42,095 --> 00:34:42,575
Speaker 2: Not a fire.

598
00:34:43,815 --> 00:34:47,655
Speaker 10: Yeah yeah, yeah, well that's true. Well let's I don't

599
00:34:47,695 --> 00:34:54,575
Speaker 10: know what the killer, what's what they pump out?

600
00:34:54,935 --> 00:34:55,135
Speaker 4: Yeah?

601
00:34:55,575 --> 00:34:58,375
Speaker 8: Yeah, they don't muck around, these guys, So have a

602
00:34:58,415 --> 00:35:01,855
Speaker 8: look at that. I'm gonna move on. Let us know

603
00:35:01,895 --> 00:35:04,935
Speaker 8: how you get on. I'll tell you what. Interestingly enough,

604
00:35:04,975 --> 00:35:08,695
Speaker 8: Steve there are so just having a quick look online.

605
00:35:09,055 --> 00:35:12,615
Speaker 8: So with regard to firepraces and egress, you have to

606
00:35:12,695 --> 00:35:15,135
Speaker 8: ensure that the fireplaces compliant with the building code and

607
00:35:15,175 --> 00:35:20,135
Speaker 8: it's maintained, and that escape routes are clear and accessible. Specifically,

608
00:35:20,215 --> 00:35:24,975
Speaker 8: exit doors must be unlocked and free of obstructions. So

609
00:35:25,175 --> 00:35:27,415
Speaker 8: that is really really interesting. I'll do a bit more

610
00:35:27,415 --> 00:35:30,535
Speaker 8: digging around that twelve minutes away from seven. Thanks very much.

611
00:35:30,535 --> 00:35:32,695
Speaker 8: If you call Steve, we'll take your calls before the

612
00:35:32,735 --> 00:35:34,895
Speaker 8: news as well, so you can call us right now, oh,

613
00:35:34,935 --> 00:35:37,135
Speaker 8: eight hundred and eighty, ten eighty. We'll try and get

614
00:35:37,135 --> 00:35:39,375
Speaker 8: through a few texts as well. Just a bit of

615
00:35:39,375 --> 00:35:44,015
Speaker 8: a heads up. After eight o'clock, the Minister for Building

616
00:35:44,095 --> 00:35:47,215
Speaker 8: and Construction, Chris Penk will be joining us just on

617
00:35:47,255 --> 00:35:51,215
Speaker 8: the line, so there to be fair, there are about

618
00:35:51,575 --> 00:35:55,735
Speaker 8: ten topics that we could discuss, but in discussion with

619
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Speaker 8: the Minister and with his team, I've said, look, I

620
00:35:57,815 --> 00:36:00,375
Speaker 8: want to talk about the BCA announcement which is going

621
00:36:00,415 --> 00:36:03,535
Speaker 8: back about two three weeks ago, and the recent announcement

622
00:36:03,575 --> 00:36:10,535
Speaker 8: this week about the perhaps stronger disciplinary actions for want

623
00:36:10,575 --> 00:36:13,895
Speaker 8: of a better term, cowboy builders. We'll talk about that.

624
00:36:14,015 --> 00:36:16,655
Speaker 8: There is about another five or six topics that we

625
00:36:16,735 --> 00:36:18,855
Speaker 8: can discuss, but will do that when the Minister joins

626
00:36:18,855 --> 00:36:21,175
Speaker 8: me in the studio in a couple of weeks time.

627
00:36:21,295 --> 00:36:24,575
Speaker 8: So after the news at eight, Chris Pink, the Minister

628
00:36:24,775 --> 00:36:28,735
Speaker 8: for Housing and Construction or Building in Construction rather will

629
00:36:28,735 --> 00:36:30,655
Speaker 8: be on the line. So looking forward to that. If

630
00:36:30,655 --> 00:36:33,255
Speaker 8: you've got any texts, I might be able to slide

631
00:36:33,255 --> 00:36:35,415
Speaker 8: in a quick question from you as well. So if

632
00:36:35,455 --> 00:36:38,615
Speaker 8: you've got a very specific text question for the Minister,

633
00:36:39,215 --> 00:36:41,975
Speaker 8: feel free to slide that into the discussion this morning

634
00:36:42,015 --> 00:36:47,335
Speaker 8: as well. It is coming up eleven minutes away from seven, Yes,

635
00:36:47,375 --> 00:36:50,375
Speaker 8: eleven away from seven. We're back into regular time. The

636
00:36:50,375 --> 00:36:53,615
Speaker 8: clocks went back at two o'clock in the morning, and

637
00:36:53,655 --> 00:36:55,775
Speaker 8: you can call us now on eight hundred and eighty

638
00:36:55,815 --> 00:36:56,295
Speaker 8: ten eighty.

639
00:36:57,015 --> 00:36:59,535
Speaker 1: Doing of the house extorting the garden, asked Pete for

640
00:36:59,575 --> 00:37:02,975
Speaker 1: a hand. The resident builder with peta wolfcap call, Oh

641
00:37:03,015 --> 00:37:04,455
Speaker 1: eight eighty ten eighty.

642
00:37:04,615 --> 00:37:05,615
Speaker 2: Youth talks envy.

643
00:37:07,375 --> 00:37:10,775
Speaker 8: Rightyo, lines are open, Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

644
00:37:12,015 --> 00:37:16,255
Speaker 8: Someone said electricfiers to killer. What Max? I'm not sure

645
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Speaker 8: that that's true for the c ones that I mentioned,

646
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Speaker 8: So I'm going to have a look and find out

647
00:37:21,015 --> 00:37:24,055
Speaker 8: some fabulous texts. This one I'm very tempted to test.

648
00:37:24,495 --> 00:37:27,015
Speaker 8: Cork tiles are the ones. We're talking about. Tiles and

649
00:37:27,135 --> 00:37:30,455
Speaker 8: weather different types of flooring. Means that if you drop

650
00:37:30,495 --> 00:37:34,895
Speaker 8: your favorite champagne flute when you're drying it at the sink,

651
00:37:35,215 --> 00:37:38,255
Speaker 8: it won't break. Now, if it hits tiles, it'll break.

652
00:37:38,255 --> 00:37:41,735
Speaker 8: If it hits timber, it won't. Someone suggested that nothing

653
00:37:41,815 --> 00:37:47,175
Speaker 8: breaks when dropping it on cork tiles. I'm happy to

654
00:37:47,215 --> 00:37:50,735
Speaker 8: test that. There might be some evidence for it. I

655
00:37:50,775 --> 00:37:54,775
Speaker 8: do quite like corktiles. Well, no, they're triggering because I've

656
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Speaker 8: had to rip up so much of it over the years,

657
00:37:57,015 --> 00:37:59,215
Speaker 8: and it's quite a job to rip it up, to

658
00:37:59,255 --> 00:38:01,895
Speaker 8: be fair, But it's making a comeback, which is awesome.

659
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Speaker 8: Thank you Tom for that. Julie, good morning to you.

660
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Speaker 6: Good morning morning.

661
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Speaker 8: Indeed, I have a problem with the big room windows.

662
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Speaker 12: The town has double glaze. Been here a couple of years.

663
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Speaker 12: It's just just me and the bedrooms. They're really cold.

664
00:38:18,695 --> 00:38:24,135
Speaker 12: One bedroom, the curtains are around in the wind and

665
00:38:24,495 --> 00:38:26,775
Speaker 12: when you stand behind them, it's sort of like the

666
00:38:26,815 --> 00:38:29,735
Speaker 12: same temperate duringside as it is outside the other one.

667
00:38:29,815 --> 00:38:34,015
Speaker 12: The first winter I had ice in the channel, and

668
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Speaker 12: the last one's one of the frost. The two patches

669
00:38:38,615 --> 00:38:42,895
Speaker 12: prose completely solid. I'd wait till the sun came up,

670
00:38:42,895 --> 00:38:47,935
Speaker 12: the SRI would open the window and they pour water. Right, nothing,

671
00:38:48,175 --> 00:38:50,895
Speaker 12: no moisture on the inside of the double gaze. I

672
00:38:50,975 --> 00:38:53,375
Speaker 12: just wondered what the problem is, or if you have

673
00:38:53,415 --> 00:38:54,015
Speaker 12: any suggestion.

674
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Speaker 8: Yeah, sure, I think you've highlighted a really good issue.

675
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Speaker 8: And I suppose as we're getting better and better buildings,

676
00:39:05,775 --> 00:39:08,935
Speaker 8: we're real that the weak spots which we kind of

677
00:39:08,975 --> 00:39:12,095
Speaker 8: were able to ignore when we had buildings that had

678
00:39:12,215 --> 00:39:15,575
Speaker 8: very little insulation and lots of drafts and so on.

679
00:39:15,695 --> 00:39:19,775
Speaker 8: So as we're sort of effectively blocking all of these

680
00:39:19,815 --> 00:39:22,895
Speaker 8: gaps in our buildings. Right, So, if you build today,

681
00:39:23,015 --> 00:39:25,935
Speaker 8: you've got a building wrap on the outside, or you

682
00:39:25,975 --> 00:39:28,415
Speaker 8: might have a rigid air barrier, You'll probably have insulation

683
00:39:28,495 --> 00:39:31,295
Speaker 8: in the walls. You'll have flooring that perhaps doesn't is

684
00:39:31,335 --> 00:39:34,695
Speaker 8: not as drafty as old strip flooring, ceilings that are

685
00:39:34,695 --> 00:39:38,615
Speaker 8: well insulated hopefully, et cetera, et cetera. So heat transfer

686
00:39:38,735 --> 00:39:41,415
Speaker 8: always wants to happen, right, if it's warm inside and

687
00:39:41,415 --> 00:39:43,775
Speaker 8: it's cold outside, it wants to go outside. And if

688
00:39:43,775 --> 00:39:45,215
Speaker 8: it's the other way around. It wants to come the

689
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Speaker 8: other way. And so I think, what I'm taking a guess,

690
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Speaker 8: and I'm going to say that if yours is a

691
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Speaker 8: townhouse of sort of the last what is it twenty

692
00:39:52,855 --> 00:39:57,815
Speaker 8: five thirty years old? About eight o eas old? Okay,

693
00:39:57,895 --> 00:40:01,175
Speaker 8: so even eight years old. Again, I would hazard a

694
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Speaker 8: guess and say that the aluminum joinery that you've got

695
00:40:04,455 --> 00:40:07,895
Speaker 8: would be conventional aluminium joy as in, it is not

696
00:40:08,175 --> 00:40:12,975
Speaker 8: thermally broken aluminium joinery. So while your walls have got

697
00:40:12,975 --> 00:40:16,855
Speaker 8: good insulation hopefully, and your double glazing is way more

698
00:40:16,895 --> 00:40:21,535
Speaker 8: effective than single glazing, the aluminium joinery Aluminium is a

699
00:40:21,575 --> 00:40:26,975
Speaker 8: conductor and so heat will transfer through it, and that's

700
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Speaker 8: what's happening, right, So you'll have double glazing in the window,

701
00:40:31,175 --> 00:40:36,935
Speaker 8: you'll have conventional aluminium joinery, non thermally broken, and that's

702
00:40:36,975 --> 00:40:40,095
Speaker 8: where you'll get condensation collecting on there and it will

703
00:40:40,135 --> 00:40:44,335
Speaker 8: feel cold. And I've seen graphics of it so tested

704
00:40:44,455 --> 00:40:48,695
Speaker 8: in a laboratory, what actually happens when you know, you

705
00:40:49,255 --> 00:40:53,375
Speaker 8: test and examine and do thermal imaging on conventional joinery.

706
00:40:53,415 --> 00:40:57,575
Speaker 8: So broadly speaking, we've got timber joinery, we've got aluminium joinery.

707
00:40:57,575 --> 00:41:00,895
Speaker 8: We've got thermally broken aluminium joinery, and increasingly we've got

708
00:41:01,015 --> 00:41:05,015
Speaker 8: uPVC joinery as well, right, and in some cases composite,

709
00:41:05,455 --> 00:41:10,775
Speaker 8: and they all formed differently, so yours at conventional aluminium jowinery,

710
00:41:11,295 --> 00:41:13,655
Speaker 8: it'll be the joinery that's the problem. Now I'm going

711
00:41:13,695 --> 00:41:15,535
Speaker 8: to go to the break, but I think we should

712
00:41:15,535 --> 00:41:16,615
Speaker 8: carry on and maybe.

713
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Speaker 1: Whether you're painting the ceiling, fixing with feds, or wondering

714
00:41:19,495 --> 00:41:21,055
Speaker 1: how to fix that hole in the wall.

715
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Speaker 13: Give Peter wolf Gamp call on eighty the Resident Builder

716
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Speaker 13: on News Dogs B. Welcome back to the show. It

717
00:41:28,975 --> 00:41:31,935
Speaker 13: is just coming up seven minutes after seven. My name's

718
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Speaker 13: people wolf Camp, resident builder. And this is a show

719
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Speaker 13: all about building. Funnily enough, but building is such a

720
00:41:38,895 --> 00:41:43,975
Speaker 13: well without being self aggrandizing, there's a lot, right that,

721
00:41:44,695 --> 00:41:49,135
Speaker 13: all of the various whether it's compliance, whether it's the regulations,

722
00:41:49,175 --> 00:41:53,015
Speaker 13: whether it's the contractors, whether it is the actual built environment,

723
00:41:54,015 --> 00:42:00,135
Speaker 13: the regulations, the products, the components, the legislation. You know,

724
00:42:00,175 --> 00:42:02,295
Speaker 13: all of these things are part of building. So we've

725
00:42:02,295 --> 00:42:06,175
Speaker 13: talked about tiles, it's part of building. We've talked about soul,

726
00:42:06,455 --> 00:42:09,935
Speaker 13: we've talked about flooring, we've talked about fireplaces, and now

727
00:42:09,975 --> 00:42:14,055
Speaker 13: we're talking about bedroom windows. And I guess you know

728
00:42:14,095 --> 00:42:16,255
Speaker 13: this is where it actually when you're a bit of

729
00:42:16,295 --> 00:42:20,375
Speaker 13: a building geek, this is where actually building science gets

730
00:42:20,415 --> 00:42:24,615
Speaker 13: really exciting at the moment, because we're much more able

731
00:42:24,735 --> 00:42:32,695
Speaker 13: to be very targeted, very refined, very focused on which

732
00:42:32,775 --> 00:42:37,375
Speaker 13: parts of our building envelope perform well and which parts don't.

733
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Speaker 13: And you know, for a long time, and we've had

734
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Speaker 13: conventional aluminium jowinery for a long time. The upgrade to

735
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Speaker 13: H one meant that in many cases, in order to

736
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Speaker 13: comply with H one, we would see a move from

737
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Speaker 13: conventional aluminium jowinery. And when I say conventional, what I

738
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Speaker 13: mean is that if you take a cross section through

739
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Speaker 13: an aluminium window, essentially the aluminium on the inside is

740
00:43:04,815 --> 00:43:07,535
Speaker 13: connected to the aluminium on the outside. I'm not trying

741
00:43:07,575 --> 00:43:10,375
Speaker 13: to oversimplify this and I'm not trying to run it down.

742
00:43:10,655 --> 00:43:12,375
Speaker 13: I'm just saying that that's what it looks like when

743
00:43:12,415 --> 00:43:13,095
Speaker 13: you cut through it.

744
00:43:14,735 --> 00:43:20,095
Speaker 8: So, now, if you're talking about thermally broken aluminium jewinery,

745
00:43:20,495 --> 00:43:23,655
Speaker 8: there is a break between the aluminium on the exterior

746
00:43:23,695 --> 00:43:26,815
Speaker 8: and the aluminium on the inside, which stops the transfer

747
00:43:26,935 --> 00:43:31,455
Speaker 8: of heat through the aluminium because aliminium is a great conductor.

748
00:43:32,815 --> 00:43:36,735
Speaker 8: Other types of joinery Timber, for example, is a very

749
00:43:36,775 --> 00:43:40,455
Speaker 8: poor conductor of energy, and that's why often timber joinery

750
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Speaker 8: is thermally efficient because it's a poor conductor. Other types

751
00:43:45,255 --> 00:43:51,375
Speaker 8: of joinery composites uPVC and so on, perform better in

752
00:43:51,455 --> 00:43:55,135
Speaker 8: terms of their ability to manage that transfer of heat

753
00:43:55,535 --> 00:43:59,895
Speaker 8: than conventional aluminium jowinery, And up until quite recently, most

754
00:43:59,975 --> 00:44:04,415
Speaker 8: aluminium jowinery was conventional, and even with better insulation in

755
00:44:04,455 --> 00:44:07,815
Speaker 8: the walls and with double glade, it focuses the weak

756
00:44:07,895 --> 00:44:10,375
Speaker 8: spot often on that. And so a couple of years

757
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Speaker 8: ago I got called to a relatively new house with

758
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Speaker 8: a person said I'd like you to come and have

759
00:44:15,215 --> 00:44:19,575
Speaker 8: a look. The windows are leaking, and that that can happen.

760
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Speaker 8: But in this instance, it wasn't the windows leaking. It

761
00:44:22,295 --> 00:44:25,815
Speaker 8: was simply condensation that was building up through the aluminium

762
00:44:25,855 --> 00:44:29,655
Speaker 8: jewry and that was the problem. So, Julie, I wonder

763
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Speaker 8: whether you've got a similar issue there that if it's

764
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Speaker 8: a relatively new house you've got double glazing. The double

765
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Speaker 8: glazing is doing its job. It's slowing down the transfer

766
00:44:39,535 --> 00:44:42,335
Speaker 8: of heat between inside of its warm and outside of

767
00:44:42,375 --> 00:44:45,975
Speaker 8: its coal, and that heat is looking for somewhere else

768
00:44:46,015 --> 00:44:48,695
Speaker 8: to go, and it's finding its way through the aluminum jowinery,

769
00:44:48,735 --> 00:44:52,495
Speaker 8: the conventional aluminum jewinery, and that's where you've got the

770
00:44:52,575 --> 00:44:55,455
Speaker 8: issue that you've got. I think does that make sense

771
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Speaker 8: to you, Julie, oh hand, Sorry, the.

772
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Speaker 6: Whole window drifts.

773
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Speaker 12: The other one that I need, the bottom half that.

774
00:45:06,455 --> 00:45:11,135
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, are you like for a for a

775
00:45:11,175 --> 00:45:16,655
Speaker 8: window to freeze shut? That's that requires I suppose a

776
00:45:16,655 --> 00:45:20,615
Speaker 8: feel amount of moisture and very low temperatures. So are

777
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Speaker 8: you where are you based in the country?

778
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Speaker 12: Christ dirch okay, But it was only a mild frost,

779
00:45:27,255 --> 00:45:27,575
Speaker 12: but it.

780
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Speaker 8: Was enough to I suppose there was sufficient moisture to

781
00:45:31,895 --> 00:45:36,335
Speaker 8: create or to to create ice and thereby Jamy window

782
00:45:37,495 --> 00:45:37,855
Speaker 8: mm hmm.

783
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Speaker 12: Yeah, I have to open a lot a lot of

784
00:45:41,135 --> 00:45:44,055
Speaker 12: the time, but course not on the really cold but

785
00:45:44,895 --> 00:45:46,615
Speaker 12: I have gone half lark on whatever.

786
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Speaker 8: I think that's great.

787
00:45:48,175 --> 00:45:50,175
Speaker 12: Don't heat the bedrooms, so it's.

788
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Speaker 8: Not see now that that might be you know this

789
00:45:54,735 --> 00:45:57,175
Speaker 8: in terms of heating the bedroom, right, that actually might

790
00:45:57,295 --> 00:46:04,095
Speaker 8: be part of your solution, you know, so maybe installing

791
00:46:04,135 --> 00:46:08,215
Speaker 8: some thermal drapes that will help as well. So okay,

792
00:46:08,255 --> 00:46:12,975
Speaker 8: thermal drapes. But rather than letting the bedroom get down

793
00:46:13,015 --> 00:46:18,015
Speaker 8: to twelve fourteen degrees, right, try and keep the temperature

794
00:46:18,055 --> 00:46:22,175
Speaker 8: in that room even to a modest eighteen degrees will

795
00:46:22,215 --> 00:46:29,175
Speaker 8: make a difference to the environment inside that space. So

796
00:46:30,095 --> 00:46:33,695
Speaker 8: maybe your next change. And given that you've only got

797
00:46:33,735 --> 00:46:36,655
Speaker 8: a small amount of the room that that effectively is

798
00:46:36,775 --> 00:46:40,775
Speaker 8: not particularly good at retaining heat. If you were to

799
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Speaker 8: add some heat to it you hopefully you won't spend

800
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Speaker 8: too much money on that, but it will make a

801
00:46:47,135 --> 00:46:50,695
Speaker 8: significant difference to the environment inside that room.

802
00:46:50,975 --> 00:46:52,575
Speaker 6: Yeah, lovely, Okay, all.

803
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Speaker 8: The very best, take care of Julie Pete. I text

804
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Speaker 8: you a little while about about getting aluminium double blazing

805
00:46:58,615 --> 00:47:02,375
Speaker 8: or UPBC. You suggested you PVC. I got it and

806
00:47:02,415 --> 00:47:05,695
Speaker 8: it's absolutely brilliant. Thank you very much. Tim. That's interesting

807
00:47:07,135 --> 00:47:09,135
Speaker 8: and I was looking at some data the other day

808
00:47:09,295 --> 00:47:15,375
Speaker 8: on measurable scientific data about what happens to heat transferred

809
00:47:15,415 --> 00:47:17,815
Speaker 8: depending on the type of joinery that you've got, and

810
00:47:17,855 --> 00:47:21,695
Speaker 8: it's quite fascinating to read. Thank you very much for

811
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Speaker 8: that text. And that's good to hear. Oh eight one

812
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Speaker 8: hundred eighty ten eighty. I'll catch up with a few

813
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Speaker 8: texts actually corptiles. We've mentioned that morning peat I'm renovating

814
00:47:29,215 --> 00:47:32,095
Speaker 8: my bathroom, Should I tile first before hanging the vanity

815
00:47:32,135 --> 00:47:36,775
Speaker 8: and the vertical storage unit? Increasingly we do, and I

816
00:47:36,815 --> 00:47:39,095
Speaker 8: think there is a benefit to it. You don't necessarily

817
00:47:39,135 --> 00:47:46,695
Speaker 8: have to tile everywhere, but rather than rather than hang

818
00:47:46,775 --> 00:47:49,375
Speaker 8: the vanity and tile up to it, which then allows

819
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Speaker 8: for moisture to sort of creep in around the edges.

820
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Speaker 8: I think typically we're tiling the walls, hanging the vanity

821
00:47:57,415 --> 00:48:00,215
Speaker 8: on it or the wall unit on it. My mates

822
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Speaker 8: who are renovating at the moment, I'm pretty sure that

823
00:48:02,415 --> 00:48:05,575
Speaker 8: that's exactly what they've done. Earlier on we were talking

824
00:48:05,615 --> 00:48:09,695
Speaker 8: about installing solar onto a metal tile roof, and this

825
00:48:09,775 --> 00:48:12,495
Speaker 8: is a relatively model one modern one. Someone stepped through

826
00:48:12,495 --> 00:48:15,495
Speaker 8: how they're going to attach the peerlins instead of the batons. Well,

827
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Speaker 8: the thing with metal tile roofs typically is they don't

828
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Speaker 8: really have perlins. They tend to run battons over the

829
00:48:21,495 --> 00:48:26,695
Speaker 8: top of the trusses or joists, which are small. Conventional

830
00:48:26,735 --> 00:48:30,295
Speaker 8: perlin is x seventy five x fifty, so seventy by

831
00:48:30,375 --> 00:48:36,015
Speaker 8: fortyish of timber or forty five of timber, and so

832
00:48:36,095 --> 00:48:38,255
Speaker 8: that gives you a fair amount of purchase for the

833
00:48:38,295 --> 00:48:41,415
Speaker 8: screws that will hold the rails that hold the solar panels.

834
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Speaker 8: If you've got a fifty x twenty five batten, you're

835
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Speaker 8: not getting as much purchase. So I wonder whether the

836
00:48:49,535 --> 00:48:54,015
Speaker 8: solar installers will try and aim for purchase fixing into

837
00:48:54,695 --> 00:48:58,015
Speaker 8: either the truss or to the joist. But I'll make

838
00:48:58,095 --> 00:49:01,695
Speaker 8: some further inquiries because that's a bit of a challenge

839
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Speaker 8: and flooring question. Please, with good quality laminated flooring like

840
00:49:06,455 --> 00:49:10,215
Speaker 8: nineteen month one which would be stuck down in concrete

841
00:49:10,295 --> 00:49:12,655
Speaker 8: or timber floors, can this be used in kitchen and

842
00:49:12,695 --> 00:49:16,935
Speaker 8: bathroom situations i e? Wet areas? There was a Hali

843
00:49:17,015 --> 00:49:20,895
Speaker 8: a kerfuffle a couple of years ago where building regulations

844
00:49:21,095 --> 00:49:28,095
Speaker 8: changed to include protection of wet areas, and that then

845
00:49:28,575 --> 00:49:32,615
Speaker 8: started to include anywhere that had a tap fixing. So

846
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Speaker 8: for example, a dishwasher has a tap fitting, a kitchen

847
00:49:35,975 --> 00:49:40,335
Speaker 8: has a tap fitting. A handbasin and a toilet is

848
00:49:40,495 --> 00:49:44,775
Speaker 8: effectively a tap fitting, and that one point five meters

849
00:49:45,855 --> 00:49:51,695
Speaker 8: radius around that fitting needed to be impervious, and there

850
00:49:51,775 --> 00:49:54,655
Speaker 8: was a lot of discussion around does that mean you

851
00:49:54,695 --> 00:49:58,535
Speaker 8: can't have timber flooring, for example, in a kitchen. How

852
00:49:58,575 --> 00:50:01,455
Speaker 8: do you make that impervious? To be fair, I'm not

853
00:50:01,495 --> 00:50:03,375
Speaker 8: sure where they exactly got to, but I think it's

854
00:50:03,455 --> 00:50:06,255
Speaker 8: kind of settled to a point where, yes, you can

855
00:50:06,415 --> 00:50:10,375
Speaker 8: do laminate flooring for example in a kitchen. You may

856
00:50:10,415 --> 00:50:12,615
Speaker 8: need to do some waterproofing, you might need to use

857
00:50:12,735 --> 00:50:16,735
Speaker 8: a particular brand of laminate flooring. But it certainly doesn't

858
00:50:16,775 --> 00:50:19,295
Speaker 8: mean that everything has to be tiles, which is one

859
00:50:19,335 --> 00:50:21,415
Speaker 8: of the discussions from a wee while ago. But it's

860
00:50:21,495 --> 00:50:25,175
Speaker 8: still contested ground. To be fair, that wasn't a terribly

861
00:50:25,295 --> 00:50:28,855
Speaker 8: clear piece of legislation, to be blunt, right, Oh, fifteen

862
00:50:28,855 --> 00:50:31,455
Speaker 8: and a half after seven, we're talking all things building

863
00:50:31,535 --> 00:50:35,415
Speaker 8: and a very good morning to you, money, my morning,

864
00:50:35,455 --> 00:50:36,095
Speaker 8: how things are?

865
00:50:36,415 --> 00:50:39,335
Speaker 14: Just walking my dog along the Munitou.

866
00:50:39,055 --> 00:50:45,295
Speaker 8: River, Manitou? Where is the Munaitou river? Muna River. I'm

867
00:50:45,295 --> 00:50:48,335
Speaker 8: with you, yes, I'll just think to you.

868
00:50:48,495 --> 00:50:53,975
Speaker 14: Earlier on you mentioned about people worried about breaking their

869
00:50:54,015 --> 00:50:57,015
Speaker 14: glasses and their yes on toll falls in kitchens.

870
00:50:57,135 --> 00:51:00,215
Speaker 8: Yes, well for me, it's not the case.

871
00:51:00,375 --> 00:51:05,455
Speaker 14: It's the times they get broken, right, Yeah, all all

872
00:51:05,535 --> 00:51:08,535
Speaker 14: my families that have houses, it had piles, say, I

873
00:51:08,575 --> 00:51:11,815
Speaker 14: don't know, maybe a female members form of these tiles,

874
00:51:12,095 --> 00:51:14,535
Speaker 14: especially because they got a lot of kids and broken

875
00:51:14,575 --> 00:51:17,615
Speaker 14: tile or broken tiles in the kitchen, so they hate it.

876
00:51:17,655 --> 00:51:18,375
Speaker 14: They don't like it.

877
00:51:20,055 --> 00:51:22,455
Speaker 8: I wonder whether there's I wonder whether there's a couple

878
00:51:22,455 --> 00:51:25,175
Speaker 8: of things happening there. One is and depending on the

879
00:51:25,215 --> 00:51:27,535
Speaker 8: age when it was installed. I mean, look, I can

880
00:51:27,575 --> 00:51:30,815
Speaker 8: remember doing tiles on a particle board floor in a

881
00:51:30,895 --> 00:51:35,015
Speaker 8: kitchen about more than thirty years ago. And back then

882
00:51:35,175 --> 00:51:38,495
Speaker 8: in terms of building regulation, we literally just it was

883
00:51:38,535 --> 00:51:41,535
Speaker 8: a particle board floor, and we got our adhesive when

884
00:51:41,575 --> 00:51:43,455
Speaker 8: we trailed it, and we put the tiles down right,

885
00:51:43,815 --> 00:51:47,575
Speaker 8: no waterproofing underneath it. The floors were not necessarily designed

886
00:51:47,575 --> 00:51:50,975
Speaker 8: for tiles, et cetera, et cetera. By comparison, I went

887
00:51:51,015 --> 00:51:54,535
Speaker 8: to a renovation last week where because they've got tiles

888
00:51:54,575 --> 00:51:58,135
Speaker 8: in a bathroom, the floor joists at four hundred centers,

889
00:51:58,175 --> 00:52:01,895
Speaker 8: it's nogged at four hundred centers. They've got particle board

890
00:52:02,015 --> 00:52:05,815
Speaker 8: or no, they used nineteen mil fiber cement sheet screwed down.

891
00:52:06,375 --> 00:52:09,575
Speaker 8: Then they've done waterproofing. And then the other key thing

892
00:52:09,775 --> 00:52:13,935
Speaker 8: is that tilers you can do like dobs of adhesive

893
00:52:14,015 --> 00:52:16,495
Speaker 8: and put the tile down, and so you don't have

894
00:52:16,535 --> 00:52:19,495
Speaker 8: a full bed of adhesive. You effectively have these little pockets.

895
00:52:19,495 --> 00:52:21,655
Speaker 8: And if you happen to drop something on the space

896
00:52:21,695 --> 00:52:24,895
Speaker 8: where there's no tile adhesive, it's got very little support

897
00:52:24,935 --> 00:52:28,535
Speaker 8: and it'll break. So yeah, I mean, tiles well laid

898
00:52:28,615 --> 00:52:32,135
Speaker 8: on the right substrate are probably less resistant to breaking

899
00:52:32,295 --> 00:52:34,495
Speaker 8: than ones laid in a different manner.

900
00:52:35,615 --> 00:52:39,295
Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I know what's you saying.

901
00:52:40,895 --> 00:52:43,975
Speaker 8: And look, you know, often you see it where you know,

902
00:52:44,095 --> 00:52:46,735
Speaker 8: tile cracks and then you go shivers to get that off,

903
00:52:47,135 --> 00:52:49,015
Speaker 8: especially if it's like in a shower or in a

904
00:52:49,015 --> 00:52:50,975
Speaker 8: wheat area. You go, you know, can I get that

905
00:52:51,055 --> 00:52:54,415
Speaker 8: off without damaging the water proofing? And then if I

906
00:52:54,495 --> 00:52:57,495
Speaker 8: do damage the waterproofing, how do I repair the waterproofing?

907
00:52:57,535 --> 00:53:03,535
Speaker 8: It just gets really really challenging saying that done. Heaps

908
00:53:03,535 --> 00:53:05,535
Speaker 8: of tiling, and I love them in the right place.

909
00:53:05,615 --> 00:53:07,895
Speaker 8: So thanks very much. Enjoy the walk with the dog

910
00:53:08,055 --> 00:53:10,535
Speaker 8: on this hopefully beautiful morning. I tell you what, I'm

911
00:53:10,575 --> 00:53:14,535
Speaker 8: still slightly freaked out about it. There was amazing fog

912
00:53:14,975 --> 00:53:18,055
Speaker 8: over the harbor this morning. Driving in, it reminded me

913
00:53:18,095 --> 00:53:19,975
Speaker 8: of those scenes from the Harry Potter movies, you know,

914
00:53:20,015 --> 00:53:21,815
Speaker 8: where the death Eater has come down and you get

915
00:53:21,815 --> 00:53:24,855
Speaker 8: that sort of black mist hanging around, like you couldn't

916
00:53:24,895 --> 00:53:26,975
Speaker 8: see the city. As I was driving in from the shore,

917
00:53:27,335 --> 00:53:30,655
Speaker 8: approaching the Harbor Bridge, looking out across the Harbor, I

918
00:53:30,655 --> 00:53:32,855
Speaker 8: could see the top of the sky tower, but below

919
00:53:32,895 --> 00:53:36,015
Speaker 8: it not a thing. It was. There was this I

920
00:53:36,055 --> 00:53:38,615
Speaker 8: suppose sea fog. I'm guessing it was, but it was black.

921
00:53:39,215 --> 00:53:41,455
Speaker 8: It was it was kind of it was quite evocative,

922
00:53:41,615 --> 00:53:44,575
Speaker 8: I have to say, driving in this morning, right oh,

923
00:53:44,455 --> 00:53:46,815
Speaker 8: I eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

924
00:53:46,815 --> 00:53:49,415
Speaker 8: to call. If you've got a question of a building nature,

925
00:53:49,535 --> 00:53:51,855
Speaker 8: you should call me right now in the next hour

926
00:53:51,855 --> 00:53:54,695
Speaker 8: of the program, So from eight to eight thirty. I'm

927
00:53:54,735 --> 00:53:58,095
Speaker 8: really looking forward to a chat with the Minister for

928
00:53:58,255 --> 00:54:02,215
Speaker 8: Building and Construction, that is Chris Pink. He's going to

929
00:54:02,295 --> 00:54:04,775
Speaker 8: phone in and we're going to have a chat. Particularly,

930
00:54:04,855 --> 00:54:08,455
Speaker 8: I mean to be fair, there is a long, long

931
00:54:08,535 --> 00:54:12,015
Speaker 8: list of recent announcements that we could discuss, but I'm

932
00:54:12,095 --> 00:54:14,535
Speaker 8: going to try and restrain myself to just talking about

933
00:54:14,575 --> 00:54:16,415
Speaker 8: the things that we agreed we'd talk about, which is

934
00:54:16,855 --> 00:54:21,855
Speaker 8: the BCAS so the building consent authorities and the government's

935
00:54:21,935 --> 00:54:27,415
Speaker 8: move to get monitoring on how quickly bcas are processing

936
00:54:27,495 --> 00:54:29,895
Speaker 8: building consents, and I've got a couple of questions for

937
00:54:29,975 --> 00:54:32,495
Speaker 8: them around that. And then the other one that we

938
00:54:32,535 --> 00:54:35,575
Speaker 8: want to talk about is the more recent announcement regarding

939
00:54:37,055 --> 00:54:42,455
Speaker 8: increased sort of disciplinary action for wayward builders like this

940
00:54:42,855 --> 00:54:47,575
Speaker 8: Chappie who appeared in the Herald article wins this Herald

941
00:54:47,655 --> 00:54:53,935
Speaker 8: article the fifth So two days yesterday a builder who

942
00:54:54,015 --> 00:54:57,575
Speaker 8: ran three years behind schedule while building a couple's home

943
00:54:58,215 --> 00:55:01,575
Speaker 8: and then charged them an extra seventy two thousand dollars

944
00:55:01,575 --> 00:55:04,455
Speaker 8: for labor and materials and then left the job and

945
00:55:04,535 --> 00:55:08,615
Speaker 8: other contractors had to do it. Craig O'Brien, this is

946
00:55:08,655 --> 00:55:11,215
Speaker 8: all in the paper, so I'm not revealing anything here.

947
00:55:11,255 --> 00:55:15,335
Speaker 8: Craig O'Brien is the contractor Deborah and Basil Richards, who

948
00:55:15,455 --> 00:55:17,855
Speaker 8: were then stuck with one hundred and thirty thousand dollars

949
00:55:17,895 --> 00:55:23,695
Speaker 8: contractors bill, despite having already paid O'Brien in advance. O'Brien

950
00:55:23,735 --> 00:55:26,855
Speaker 8: promised to repay the money they stumped up for the contractors,

951
00:55:26,855 --> 00:55:30,255
Speaker 8: but the Richards have thus far managed to recoup only

952
00:55:30,335 --> 00:55:33,615
Speaker 8: a fraction of it. Meanwhile, it's alleged that O'Brien has

953
00:55:33,655 --> 00:55:36,855
Speaker 8: recently built a two bidge and extension to his own home.

954
00:55:37,855 --> 00:55:40,335
Speaker 8: This is all revealed in a decision from the Building

955
00:55:40,335 --> 00:55:43,695
Speaker 8: Practitioners Board. The couple made a complaint to the board,

956
00:55:43,735 --> 00:55:46,735
Speaker 8: which has the power to suspend or even cancel a

957
00:55:46,855 --> 00:55:51,815
Speaker 8: licensed building practitioners license, about thet or the conduct of O'Brien,

958
00:55:52,495 --> 00:55:55,695
Speaker 8: and a recently released ruling, the board stopped short of

959
00:55:55,735 --> 00:55:59,415
Speaker 8: that penalty. I don't know why stopped short of that

960
00:55:59,455 --> 00:56:02,695
Speaker 8: penalty and instead imposed a seventeen hundred dollar fine and

961
00:56:02,815 --> 00:56:07,015
Speaker 8: censured O'Brien for a breach of the profession's code of ethics.

962
00:56:07,535 --> 00:56:12,335
Speaker 8: It is a penalty that complainant Deba Richards told NZME

963
00:56:12,775 --> 00:56:13,415
Speaker 8: was weak.

964
00:56:13,815 --> 00:56:14,055
Speaker 2: For me.

965
00:56:14,135 --> 00:56:15,935
Speaker 8: It's sort of like if this was America, we could

966
00:56:15,935 --> 00:56:18,895
Speaker 8: see them and there'd be consequences, but there are no

967
00:56:19,055 --> 00:56:22,695
Speaker 8: consequences in this country. According to the board's ruling, O'Brien

968
00:56:22,735 --> 00:56:25,615
Speaker 8: had been contacted by the Richards for a com contracted

969
00:56:26,215 --> 00:56:28,455
Speaker 8: for a complete home build in Auckland. It was meant

970
00:56:28,495 --> 00:56:30,615
Speaker 8: to have finished the job in March twenty twenty one,

971
00:56:30,975 --> 00:56:34,455
Speaker 8: but it wasn't completed until April twenty twenty four, and

972
00:56:34,495 --> 00:56:38,375
Speaker 8: that was with the help of other contractors. While the

973
00:56:38,535 --> 00:56:41,095
Speaker 8: soon states the home is now finished, Deborah Richard said

974
00:56:41,135 --> 00:56:43,495
Speaker 8: she was still to get a code to meet the

975
00:56:43,575 --> 00:56:46,215
Speaker 8: code and needed more work to get it over the line.

976
00:56:48,455 --> 00:56:50,495
Speaker 8: The couple were building the house to sell, but lost

977
00:56:50,535 --> 00:56:53,255
Speaker 8: the buyer because it took so long. Then they then

978
00:56:53,375 --> 00:56:57,295
Speaker 8: lost potential rent earnings after being unable to tenant it sooner.

979
00:56:57,695 --> 00:57:00,455
Speaker 8: During the build, O'Brien charged the Richard and extra seventy

980
00:57:00,455 --> 00:57:03,895
Speaker 8: two thousand dollars for labor and materials, but kept knowing

981
00:57:04,015 --> 00:57:07,135
Speaker 8: that invoices or evidence to prove their additional cost. He

982
00:57:07,135 --> 00:57:10,455
Speaker 8: told him it was due to price fluctuations when contract.

983
00:57:10,455 --> 00:57:12,095
Speaker 8: This had to be brought in at a cost of

984
00:57:12,095 --> 00:57:14,455
Speaker 8: one hundred and thirty thousand dollars to the Richards. O'Brien

985
00:57:14,535 --> 00:57:18,735
Speaker 8: and O'Brien agreed to repay them ten thousand dollars per month,

986
00:57:19,055 --> 00:57:24,655
Speaker 8: but they've thus far received only twenty one thousand dollars. Interesting,

987
00:57:25,615 --> 00:57:29,335
Speaker 8: according to the company's office, are seeking advice ah the

988
00:57:29,335 --> 00:57:33,975
Speaker 8: company Building Labour Solutions Limited, when into receivership owing creditors

989
00:57:34,015 --> 00:57:36,575
Speaker 8: according to the company's office, one hundred and eighty eight

990
00:57:36,615 --> 00:57:40,495
Speaker 8: thousand dollars, he's now liquidated and will get away free

991
00:57:40,615 --> 00:57:45,775
Speaker 8: according to well, that's the opinion of the client. So

992
00:57:45,855 --> 00:57:48,975
Speaker 8: the board said in its investigation into O'Brien's breaches of

993
00:57:49,015 --> 00:57:51,415
Speaker 8: the Code of Ethics, it was limited because much of

994
00:57:51,455 --> 00:57:55,735
Speaker 8: his conduct occurred before the code became enforceable in twenty

995
00:57:55,815 --> 00:57:59,215
Speaker 8: twenty two. However, the code states that a license builder

996
00:57:59,375 --> 00:58:02,255
Speaker 8: must act in good faith, which means dealing fairly and

997
00:58:02,375 --> 00:58:08,055
Speaker 8: honestly with a client and keeping one's promises. We probably

998
00:58:08,095 --> 00:58:10,935
Speaker 8: should get someone from and beyond to talk about the

999
00:58:10,975 --> 00:58:13,535
Speaker 8: Code of Ethics. I've been talking about it in different

1000
00:58:13,535 --> 00:58:17,615
Speaker 8: sort of groups and formats and forums for a little while.

1001
00:58:18,815 --> 00:58:23,255
Speaker 8: If you are engaging in LBP, it is worth informing

1002
00:58:23,335 --> 00:58:26,775
Speaker 8: yourself about it. I think it's very good. I think

1003
00:58:26,775 --> 00:58:31,095
Speaker 8: that it most disputes that people probably have with their

1004
00:58:31,255 --> 00:58:36,015
Speaker 8: lbps are probably more likely around their behavior and practice

1005
00:58:36,215 --> 00:58:39,495
Speaker 8: rather than the actual building work itself. And that's where

1006
00:58:39,495 --> 00:58:42,055
Speaker 8: I think the Code of Ethics, which became enforceable I

1007
00:58:42,135 --> 00:58:47,015
Speaker 8: think it was October twenty twenty two, you know, should

1008
00:58:47,095 --> 00:58:49,535
Speaker 8: make a real difference. So check it out for yourself.

1009
00:58:49,575 --> 00:58:54,455
Speaker 8: Really easy to find four basic categories, nineteen different sort

1010
00:58:54,455 --> 00:58:58,815
Speaker 8: of requirements under that fairly broad brushstroke types of things.

1011
00:58:58,855 --> 00:59:01,575
Speaker 8: But you know, behaving professionally is now. There is the

1012
00:59:01,615 --> 00:59:03,695
Speaker 8: code of Ethics, so have a look at it. If

1013
00:59:03,735 --> 00:59:06,055
Speaker 8: you're engaging with a contractor, and if you are an

1014
00:59:06,175 --> 00:59:10,735
Speaker 8: l and you don't know about the Code of ethics,

1015
00:59:11,215 --> 00:59:14,415
Speaker 8: you need to get on board and learn about it.

1016
00:59:14,455 --> 00:59:20,455
Speaker 8: To be blunt. Twenty four minutes after seven less good morning, Hello, Liz.

1017
00:59:21,655 --> 00:59:23,535
Speaker 6: How are you? Can you hear me?

1018
00:59:23,815 --> 00:59:25,335
Speaker 8: I can go ahead, please.

1019
00:59:25,655 --> 00:59:28,135
Speaker 6: Good good, Hey. I just want to have to talk

1020
00:59:28,175 --> 00:59:30,495
Speaker 6: to you about a DVU system.

1021
00:59:30,815 --> 00:59:31,055
Speaker 2: Yep.

1022
00:59:31,935 --> 00:59:34,215
Speaker 6: I've bought five of these units and put them into

1023
00:59:34,495 --> 00:59:38,695
Speaker 6: different hounds that I've owned. I was up setting the

1024
00:59:38,775 --> 00:59:39,175
Speaker 6: other day.

1025
00:59:39,335 --> 00:59:41,655
Speaker 8: Can we just just for the purposes of being clear,

1026
00:59:42,215 --> 00:59:44,815
Speaker 8: I doubt that. Did you put them in or did

1027
00:59:44,855 --> 00:59:45,815
Speaker 8: you have them installed?

1028
00:59:46,255 --> 00:59:46,415
Speaker 15: No?

1029
00:59:46,415 --> 00:59:50,335
Speaker 6: No, no, they've been professionally instructed by d DVS.

1030
00:59:50,415 --> 00:59:52,255
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm with you, yep, yep.

1031
00:59:52,535 --> 00:59:54,775
Speaker 6: But I was up in the ceiling the other day

1032
00:59:55,055 --> 00:59:57,655
Speaker 6: changing my filter. Yes, you know you can change the

1033
00:59:57,735 --> 00:59:58,535
Speaker 6: filter as yourself.

1034
00:59:58,615 --> 00:59:58,855
Speaker 16: Yep.

1035
00:59:59,215 --> 01:00:01,895
Speaker 6: And it's quite a simple matter. While I was up

1036
01:00:01,895 --> 01:00:06,695
Speaker 6: in the ceiling, I heard my fan were squealing. I thought, well,

1037
01:00:06,695 --> 01:00:10,175
Speaker 6: that doesn't sound good. So when I came down, I

1038
01:00:10,295 --> 01:00:13,495
Speaker 6: turned the system off because I thought, well, it's the fan,

1039
01:00:13,735 --> 01:00:16,455
Speaker 6: it's the fans squealing, it's probably a bearing, and it's

1040
01:00:16,495 --> 01:00:20,375
Speaker 6: a bearing sales, it could catch a item overhead.

1041
01:00:20,775 --> 01:00:20,975
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1042
01:00:21,895 --> 01:00:25,375
Speaker 6: Yeah. I churned the system off and I phoned DVS

1043
01:00:25,495 --> 01:00:28,135
Speaker 6: Hamilton because I live in Hamilton and I've dealt through them.

1044
01:00:29,095 --> 01:00:31,535
Speaker 6: And the guy that I phoned said, oh, look, i'll

1045
01:00:31,735 --> 01:00:35,295
Speaker 6: put you onto another chap. So I got put onto

1046
01:00:35,295 --> 01:00:37,575
Speaker 6: this so other chap and told him about oh no, no,

1047
01:00:37,655 --> 01:00:41,335
Speaker 6: I'll have to put you onto our serviceman. So I

1048
01:00:41,375 --> 01:00:43,775
Speaker 6: got put onto the third person, which was a serviceman,

1049
01:00:43,975 --> 01:00:45,815
Speaker 6: and I told him what the problem was and he said, oh,

1050
01:00:45,855 --> 01:00:48,135
Speaker 6: I know, mate. He said, we're going to have to

1051
01:00:48,135 --> 01:00:49,615
Speaker 6: put a new system and it's going to cost you

1052
01:00:49,615 --> 01:00:53,615
Speaker 6: about two five And I said, hang on mate. I said,

1053
01:00:53,615 --> 01:00:58,975
Speaker 6: this system we've got is under ten years old. And

1054
01:00:59,095 --> 01:01:01,575
Speaker 6: he said, oh, well that's all we can do. And

1055
01:01:01,615 --> 01:01:03,535
Speaker 6: I said, well, I'm not happy about that. I said,

1056
01:01:03,535 --> 01:01:05,615
Speaker 6: I bought a lot of units off you guys, and

1057
01:01:05,655 --> 01:01:09,775
Speaker 6: I've dealt with looking all the way through. And he said,

1058
01:01:10,655 --> 01:01:13,415
Speaker 6: I'll have to get back to you. So two days

1059
01:01:13,495 --> 01:01:17,135
Speaker 6: later I get a call from d the s Auckland

1060
01:01:18,535 --> 01:01:23,015
Speaker 6: technical guy, and he said, well, the fan system you've

1061
01:01:23,055 --> 01:01:25,255
Speaker 6: got we can't replace. What we're going to do is

1062
01:01:25,295 --> 01:01:29,695
Speaker 6: replace it with a new system. And I said, well, well,

1063
01:01:30,015 --> 01:01:32,895
Speaker 6: what's that going to cost me? And he said it's

1064
01:01:32,935 --> 01:01:35,055
Speaker 6: going to cost you six hundred and sixty dollars including

1065
01:01:35,135 --> 01:01:41,615
Speaker 6: GUS two. So I'm disappointed because I thought these units

1066
01:01:41,615 --> 01:01:44,455
Speaker 6: would last longer than ten years.

1067
01:01:45,895 --> 01:01:50,535
Speaker 8: Look, I'll be really clear, you know, I'm not particularly

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01:01:50,535 --> 01:01:54,815
Speaker 8: interested in you litigating your dispute with a company on

1069
01:01:54,935 --> 01:01:59,015
Speaker 8: air when I don't know all of the circumstances. So

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01:01:59,175 --> 01:02:01,775
Speaker 8: if you've got a dispute with them, have it out

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01:02:01,775 --> 01:02:04,335
Speaker 8: with them. I don't think this is the right format

1072
01:02:04,415 --> 01:02:06,735
Speaker 8: to be discussing it. And what I would suggests and

1073
01:02:06,775 --> 01:02:09,495
Speaker 8: I understand you frustration, but you know what you should

1074
01:02:09,495 --> 01:02:12,095
Speaker 8: do is go back and have a look at the

1075
01:02:12,135 --> 01:02:16,575
Speaker 8: original contract, the warranties that are given, and potentially there's

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01:02:16,575 --> 01:02:19,935
Speaker 8: a warranty on parts. Let's say that's two years or

1077
01:02:19,935 --> 01:02:22,095
Speaker 8: five years. Now. If it happens to be a fifteen

1078
01:02:22,175 --> 01:02:24,935
Speaker 8: year warranty and it's failed within ten years, then you've

1079
01:02:24,975 --> 01:02:28,055
Speaker 8: got reason to be, you know, to go to them

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01:02:28,255 --> 01:02:31,735
Speaker 8: and expect them to replace it. If, for example, it

1081
01:02:31,815 --> 01:02:35,855
Speaker 8: states clearly you know these particular items are warrantied for

1082
01:02:35,895 --> 01:02:39,415
Speaker 8: this amount of time and it's past that. Then you

1083
01:02:39,535 --> 01:02:41,895
Speaker 8: accepted that when you had it installed, and I understand

1084
01:02:41,895 --> 01:02:45,615
Speaker 8: that being disappointed. But to be really honest, I'm not

1085
01:02:45,655 --> 01:02:49,615
Speaker 8: prepared to litigate this on air. That's something for you

1086
01:02:49,735 --> 01:02:53,695
Speaker 8: to discuss, given that it's very specific with the company involved,

1087
01:02:53,695 --> 01:02:55,295
Speaker 8: and I would do this for any company. I have

1088
01:02:55,295 --> 01:02:57,255
Speaker 8: no engagement with them or anything like that. I just

1089
01:02:57,255 --> 01:03:00,215
Speaker 8: think it's unfair to litigate it on air. So appreciate

1090
01:03:00,255 --> 01:03:03,295
Speaker 8: the call, but we'll leave it there. Oh eight one

1091
01:03:03,375 --> 01:03:05,295
Speaker 8: hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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01:03:05,375 --> 01:03:09,975
Speaker 8: It is twenty eight after seven. Squeaky door or squeaky floor.

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01:03:10,175 --> 01:03:13,615
Speaker 1: Get the right advice from Peter Wolfcare, the resident fielder

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01:03:13,735 --> 01:03:14,895
Speaker 1: on News Talks HEB.

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01:03:16,255 --> 01:03:23,935
Speaker 8: Radio News Talks B. We're talking all things Billink. Sorry,

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01:03:23,935 --> 01:03:25,895
Speaker 8: I'm distracted by a text that's coming that's given me

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01:03:25,895 --> 01:03:30,175
Speaker 8: a hard time, which is fine, uh Radio. Oh, this

1098
01:03:30,255 --> 01:03:32,215
Speaker 8: is a great text. I mentioned the fog on the

1099
01:03:32,255 --> 01:03:34,695
Speaker 8: way in because it was it was really quite dramatic,

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01:03:34,775 --> 01:03:40,895
Speaker 8: quite eerie. That's not fog, that's TG t TG Trump

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01:03:41,095 --> 01:03:44,975
Speaker 8: tariff gloom from from Owen. Thank you, very much. That's

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01:03:45,055 --> 01:03:49,215
Speaker 8: very wise. T TG Trump Tariff Bloom Radio. Let's talk

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01:03:49,215 --> 01:03:53,695
Speaker 8: about Sola. Hello, Grant, good morning, Pete. How are you good?

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01:03:53,735 --> 01:03:54,535
Speaker 8: Thank you and yourself?

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01:03:55,655 --> 01:03:58,895
Speaker 16: Yeah yeah, yeah, good, thank you. It is a dramatic

1106
01:03:58,895 --> 01:03:59,975
Speaker 16: little fog, isn't it.

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01:03:59,975 --> 01:04:03,575
Speaker 8: It really is like it was like so dense you

1108
01:04:03,655 --> 01:04:05,295
Speaker 8: couldn't see the lights of the city as I was

1109
01:04:05,375 --> 01:04:06,815
Speaker 8: driving up to the bridge from the shore.

1110
01:04:07,855 --> 01:04:10,575
Speaker 16: Wow, that's cool. Yeah, it's just I'm just looking out

1111
01:04:10,615 --> 01:04:13,895
Speaker 16: and I can they just missed one hundred meters and

1112
01:04:13,975 --> 01:04:15,095
Speaker 16: then can't see anything.

1113
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Speaker 8: Okay, but like the go where we're probably going to

1114
01:04:19,255 --> 01:04:21,095
Speaker 8: talk about something else, won't we Yes.

1115
01:04:21,455 --> 01:04:23,495
Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, there are two things, all the three that

1116
01:04:23,735 --> 01:04:24,295
Speaker 16: we were in there to.

1117
01:04:24,575 --> 01:04:25,615
Speaker 17: Okay, So this whole.

1118
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Speaker 16: Aun panel guy, he should like obviously get somebody else

1119
01:04:30,535 --> 01:04:33,895
Speaker 16: to instill that, like an installer to instill them. But

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Speaker 16: I was looking at them, you know, like it's all

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01:04:36,735 --> 01:04:40,815
Speaker 16: on panels and things, and like if you can get

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01:04:40,855 --> 01:04:44,975
Speaker 16: his neighbor on either side of him to buy some

1123
01:04:45,175 --> 01:04:47,655
Speaker 16: as well, right, and then when you hook the three

1124
01:04:47,735 --> 01:04:51,135
Speaker 16: of them up, they can they will, you know, he

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01:04:51,175 --> 01:04:53,255
Speaker 16: can pay them off quicker and because he can put

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01:04:53,295 --> 01:04:56,575
Speaker 16: more juice back in the into the grid, you know,

1127
01:04:56,695 --> 01:04:59,575
Speaker 16: and plus you know, like he could come your own

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01:04:59,575 --> 01:05:01,815
Speaker 16: little pound station, which is a.

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Speaker 8: Great idea and probable, but we all know that these

1130
01:05:04,135 --> 01:05:07,655
Speaker 8: things get incredibly complicated. So I think, stick to your

1131
01:05:07,695 --> 01:05:10,415
Speaker 8: own grid and it's way simpler.

1132
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Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, true, true that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 16: Okay, Now remember quite some muster Den or six or

1135
01:05:17,735 --> 01:05:18,415
Speaker 16: maybe two.

1136
01:05:19,055 --> 01:05:19,895
Speaker 6: A while ago.

1137
01:05:21,815 --> 01:05:26,455
Speaker 16: I suggested that the sand hills in christ Church were

1138
01:05:27,495 --> 01:05:31,775
Speaker 16: man made, not natural, and you went, well, I don't

1139
01:05:31,815 --> 01:05:33,495
Speaker 16: know about that. I had to look into it. And

1140
01:05:33,535 --> 01:05:36,055
Speaker 16: then I thought, oh, beats on the radio. I wonder

1141
01:05:36,095 --> 01:05:37,015
Speaker 16: if he looked into it.

1142
01:05:38,295 --> 01:05:41,535
Speaker 8: And to be fair, I probably didn't, and I probably

1143
01:05:41,575 --> 01:05:45,495
Speaker 8: won't with a grace respect. Right, let's talk about building.

1144
01:05:45,495 --> 01:05:47,575
Speaker 8: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number, Frank,

1145
01:05:47,615 --> 01:05:48,455
Speaker 8: Hello there.

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01:05:49,335 --> 01:05:49,855
Speaker 17: Yeah, Pete.

1147
01:05:50,095 --> 01:05:52,455
Speaker 11: I bought a new house, quite of brought a new

1148
01:05:52,495 --> 01:05:54,895
Speaker 11: house up in a red beach and I'm moving in

1149
01:05:54,935 --> 01:05:57,615
Speaker 11: a few weeks. It's got a nice big deck on it,

1150
01:05:58,055 --> 01:06:00,375
Speaker 11: but unfortunately, well it's made of the deck as a

1151
01:06:00,415 --> 01:06:03,895
Speaker 11: pine deck. I've usually had Queeler prefer pine, but I'll

1152
01:06:04,095 --> 01:06:05,015
Speaker 11: go for the.

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01:06:06,655 --> 01:06:06,975
Speaker 6: Pine.

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01:06:07,135 --> 01:06:07,415
Speaker 8: Yes.

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01:06:07,975 --> 01:06:10,415
Speaker 11: My question is I'm going to oil it. How long

1156
01:06:10,455 --> 01:06:12,535
Speaker 11: should I leave it? Like should I oil it this

1157
01:06:12,655 --> 01:06:15,055
Speaker 11: season or should I oil it next season?

1158
01:06:16,135 --> 01:06:18,975
Speaker 8: So it was laid let's say, prior to summer. So

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01:06:19,055 --> 01:06:21,895
Speaker 8: it's had a summer, right, it's most of we had

1160
01:06:21,895 --> 01:06:22,295
Speaker 8: a summer.

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01:06:22,335 --> 01:06:25,295
Speaker 11: Yeah, we've had a good three months most probably.

1162
01:06:26,175 --> 01:06:28,615
Speaker 8: I think that's long enough for it to effectively. What

1163
01:06:28,655 --> 01:06:31,695
Speaker 8: you want with new treated pine decking is that it

1164
01:06:31,775 --> 01:06:34,535
Speaker 8: kind of flashes off, right, so the timber preservative that's

1165
01:06:34,575 --> 01:06:38,055
Speaker 8: in it gets a chance to breathe, rise to the surface,

1166
01:06:38,215 --> 01:06:40,175
Speaker 8: and then it's not going to sort of push off

1167
01:06:40,335 --> 01:06:45,055
Speaker 8: your stains. So in that sense, I think, given and

1168
01:06:45,175 --> 01:06:47,895
Speaker 8: given the summer that we've had, you know how little

1169
01:06:48,015 --> 01:06:51,855
Speaker 8: rain that we've had until recently, it's probably ready for

1170
01:06:52,935 --> 01:06:57,935
Speaker 8: a sealer. And ideally, I'm just thinking about winter coming, right,

1171
01:06:58,015 --> 01:07:00,695
Speaker 8: if you can get it sealed before winter settles in,

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01:07:00,935 --> 01:07:02,535
Speaker 8: and I know we've had quite a bit of rain

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01:07:02,615 --> 01:07:05,295
Speaker 8: the last couple of days. That will dry out if

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01:07:05,295 --> 01:07:08,175
Speaker 8: you had two, three, four days of decent weather and

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01:07:08,215 --> 01:07:12,415
Speaker 8: then get a coat of sealer onto it. And most

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01:07:12,455 --> 01:07:15,335
Speaker 8: of the sealers now for decking are essentially a penetrating

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01:07:15,375 --> 01:07:19,975
Speaker 8: oil stain, so I would still give it a treatment.

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01:07:20,055 --> 01:07:22,335
Speaker 8: So maybe even today while it's still wet from the

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01:07:22,335 --> 01:07:24,975
Speaker 8: weather over the last little while. Go and get some

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01:07:25,055 --> 01:07:28,415
Speaker 8: deck wash. Apply that give it an agitate with a

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01:07:28,455 --> 01:07:31,215
Speaker 8: stiff broom. Rinse it off. Don't water blast it, just

1182
01:07:31,295 --> 01:07:33,655
Speaker 8: rinse it off. Let that dry, and as soon as

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01:07:33,655 --> 01:07:38,095
Speaker 8: it feels dry, I'd get into it with an oil

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01:07:38,335 --> 01:07:41,895
Speaker 8: based or with a penetrating oil stain onto that timber.

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01:07:43,495 --> 01:07:44,975
Speaker 11: Excellent, I think it again.

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Speaker 8: These you job for the day. Take care, Take care, Frank.

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01:07:50,375 --> 01:07:53,015
Speaker 8: I'm just watching. We've got obviously TV screens in the

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01:07:53,015 --> 01:07:55,215
Speaker 8: studio and they've got BBC News on and they're looking

1189
01:07:55,255 --> 01:07:59,335
Speaker 8: at Romania back in the days just after the fall

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01:07:59,375 --> 01:08:02,615
Speaker 8: of the Berlin Wall and so on. So we're talking

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01:08:02,975 --> 01:08:06,255
Speaker 8: early nineteen ninety one. I had some pictures of down

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01:08:06,415 --> 01:08:10,895
Speaker 8: town book Arrest and the massive white house effectively that

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01:08:10,975 --> 01:08:14,615
Speaker 8: Charchescu built back then, and the boulevards that they created

1194
01:08:14,655 --> 01:08:17,175
Speaker 8: and downtown book Arrest, and then it had the protests,

1195
01:08:17,215 --> 01:08:21,175
Speaker 8: and as it happens, I was actually there in about

1196
01:08:21,735 --> 01:08:25,015
Speaker 8: it would have been May or June of nineteen ninety one,

1197
01:08:25,855 --> 01:08:28,655
Speaker 8: and it was still pretty lawless. It was pretty rugged

1198
01:08:28,775 --> 01:08:31,615
Speaker 8: back then. I was traveling through. I'd been in Greece.

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01:08:31,615 --> 01:08:35,655
Speaker 8: I traveled up through Bulgaria, took the train from Thessalonica

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01:08:35,695 --> 01:08:38,975
Speaker 8: to book Arest, stayed a couple of stayed about a

1201
01:08:39,015 --> 01:08:41,935
Speaker 8: week in book Arrest, and then traveled on to Budapest.

1202
01:08:42,935 --> 01:08:47,575
Speaker 8: And someone had suggested that I buy a couple of

1203
01:08:47,615 --> 01:08:50,575
Speaker 8: packets of Marlborough cigarettes curtains of cigarettes, because you could

1204
01:08:50,615 --> 01:08:53,455
Speaker 8: use that to barter. And so I was wandering through

1205
01:08:53,495 --> 01:08:56,895
Speaker 8: downtown brook Arrest with a carton of cigarettes on the

1206
01:08:56,975 --> 01:09:01,495
Speaker 8: backpack and met some kind of lonely looking guards outside

1207
01:09:02,335 --> 01:09:04,935
Speaker 8: that White House, that parliament building or that palace right

1208
01:09:04,975 --> 01:09:07,175
Speaker 8: in the middle of town. Said can I have looked through?

1209
01:09:07,215 --> 01:09:08,935
Speaker 8: And they sort of went, oh yeah, And I gave

1210
01:09:08,975 --> 01:09:11,135
Speaker 8: them a few packets of cigarettes and I wandered through it.

1211
01:09:11,255 --> 01:09:14,495
Speaker 8: That's the most bizarre experience, to be fair. It was

1212
01:09:14,575 --> 01:09:17,575
Speaker 8: just a bunch of us wandering through the old White

1213
01:09:17,615 --> 01:09:22,415
Speaker 8: House building, massive chandeliers, these huge ornate staircases. I think

1214
01:09:22,415 --> 01:09:25,055
Speaker 8: I actually went right up to the roof looked out

1215
01:09:25,135 --> 01:09:27,815
Speaker 8: over the city. Anyway, it's quite funny seeing those pictures

1216
01:09:27,815 --> 01:09:29,775
Speaker 8: on the TV. There you go, there's a happy memory.

1217
01:09:29,855 --> 01:09:31,535
Speaker 8: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. We'll talk to

1218
01:09:31,575 --> 01:09:33,615
Speaker 8: Brian straight after the break your new smealthy.

1219
01:09:33,695 --> 01:09:37,575
Speaker 1: You get those DIY projects done right, the resident builder

1220
01:09:37,735 --> 01:09:39,055
Speaker 1: with beatable scat call.

1221
01:09:39,175 --> 01:09:41,775
Speaker 2: Oh eight, you've talked ZVY.

1222
01:09:43,295 --> 01:09:45,815
Speaker 8: Radio. We're actually we're going to talk to Daniel from

1223
01:09:45,895 --> 01:09:50,335
Speaker 8: Nanoclear shortly. But before then, Brian, greetings to you. Hang

1224
01:09:50,375 --> 01:09:52,335
Speaker 8: on sick. Here we go, Brian, Hello there.

1225
01:09:52,655 --> 01:09:56,735
Speaker 17: Yes, I live next door to a restaurant.

1226
01:09:57,535 --> 01:09:57,775
Speaker 6: Yep.

1227
01:09:59,135 --> 01:10:04,335
Speaker 17: And one of the customers has driven into the thing.

1228
01:10:04,655 --> 01:10:08,495
Speaker 8: Yeah, sure I shouldn't, but I can imagine that happening.

1229
01:10:08,615 --> 01:10:13,775
Speaker 17: Yep. He's taken out a couple of posts which were

1230
01:10:13,775 --> 01:10:20,095
Speaker 17: concreted in right, Yes, and three panels are down right.

1231
01:10:21,615 --> 01:10:25,295
Speaker 17: Two were less loose that fell down in the wind

1232
01:10:25,855 --> 01:10:26,655
Speaker 17: three nights ago.

1233
01:10:27,095 --> 01:10:27,295
Speaker 8: Yep.

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01:10:29,775 --> 01:10:34,495
Speaker 17: And the police have said it to be nine months

1235
01:10:34,535 --> 01:10:36,215
Speaker 17: before the prosecuted.

1236
01:10:36,455 --> 01:10:36,615
Speaker 2: Yes.

1237
01:10:37,135 --> 01:10:47,815
Speaker 17: Yeah, so I send a letter to the restaurant telling them,

1238
01:10:48,175 --> 01:10:52,855
Speaker 17: uh as you are aware one of your customers has

1239
01:10:52,975 --> 01:10:56,535
Speaker 17: during in an offense. Again, I have spoken to the police,

1240
01:10:57,175 --> 01:10:58,975
Speaker 17: and it could be nine months.

1241
01:10:59,055 --> 01:11:00,735
Speaker 8: I think I might have a quicker I might have

1242
01:11:00,735 --> 01:11:02,895
Speaker 8: a quicker solution for your Brian, why don't you just

1243
01:11:02,935 --> 01:11:03,775
Speaker 8: go to your insurer.

1244
01:11:05,015 --> 01:11:10,335
Speaker 17: I'm not insured a car afford it, okay?

1245
01:11:09,415 --> 01:11:09,535
Speaker 2: Right?

1246
01:11:10,695 --> 01:11:17,455
Speaker 17: Things that could you send me attached quote to your

1247
01:11:17,495 --> 01:11:22,775
Speaker 17: insurance company and get the fence fixed? All right? And

1248
01:11:22,855 --> 01:11:27,255
Speaker 17: those replied, thanks for sending the quote, but the sense

1249
01:11:27,295 --> 01:11:30,055
Speaker 17: for a pair is your and my client's business, and

1250
01:11:30,095 --> 01:11:33,015
Speaker 17: the police has already stated we don't need to do anything.

1251
01:11:37,975 --> 01:11:42,495
Speaker 8: Yeah. Have you been able to identify the driver of

1252
01:11:42,495 --> 01:11:44,095
Speaker 8: the car that caused the damage.

1253
01:11:45,215 --> 01:11:47,975
Speaker 17: I've got his name, because.

1254
01:11:47,735 --> 01:11:52,215
Speaker 8: Ultimately it's it's probably not even the restaurant's respect if

1255
01:11:52,255 --> 01:11:55,815
Speaker 8: it was the restaurant. Let's say the restaurant did deliveries

1256
01:11:55,855 --> 01:11:58,095
Speaker 8: and it was their delivery driver that backed.

1257
01:11:57,895 --> 01:12:00,175
Speaker 17: Into the city one of their customers.

1258
01:12:00,255 --> 01:12:04,015
Speaker 8: Okay, well, I can't see how they are responsible for

1259
01:12:04,055 --> 01:12:07,375
Speaker 8: their customer's behavior, particularly since it happened outside of the premises.

1260
01:12:07,495 --> 01:12:07,655
Speaker 4: Right.

1261
01:12:08,295 --> 01:12:11,335
Speaker 8: So ultimately the person responsible is the person who is

1262
01:12:11,415 --> 01:12:14,655
Speaker 8: driving the car. Because you're not insured, you're going to

1263
01:12:14,695 --> 01:12:18,815
Speaker 8: have to seek redress from that person. I wonder if

1264
01:12:18,855 --> 01:12:21,815
Speaker 8: you can find their details I would do. I would

1265
01:12:21,815 --> 01:12:25,135
Speaker 8: go to the disputes tribunal because you'll be able to

1266
01:12:25,175 --> 01:12:30,455
Speaker 8: get a hearing quite quickly. Chances are the person won't attend,

1267
01:12:31,015 --> 01:12:34,775
Speaker 8: in which case you'll get a determination from the disputes tribunal,

1268
01:12:34,855 --> 01:12:38,335
Speaker 8: which then gives you something that's enforceable by the court,

1269
01:12:38,855 --> 01:12:42,335
Speaker 8: and then the court will then help you to recover

1270
01:12:42,415 --> 01:12:46,015
Speaker 8: the money from the driver of the vehicle. So stop

1271
01:12:46,055 --> 01:12:48,895
Speaker 8: all the correspondence, find out, find out who the person is,

1272
01:12:49,175 --> 01:12:52,415
Speaker 8: go to the dispute tribunal, get a hearing, go from there.

1273
01:12:52,975 --> 01:12:53,975
Speaker 8: That'll be the quickest way.

1274
01:12:54,575 --> 01:12:56,175
Speaker 17: How long will it take to go through the.

1275
01:12:57,895 --> 01:13:00,615
Speaker 8: Look, it might not, it might be a couple of months,

1276
01:13:00,615 --> 01:13:02,815
Speaker 8: but it's going to be quicker than anything else because

1277
01:13:02,935 --> 01:13:05,815
Speaker 8: I would imagine that the person. Look, you could approach

1278
01:13:05,855 --> 01:13:08,055
Speaker 8: the person, but if you're not getting a response from them,

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Speaker 8: you know, how are you going to keep chasing them up?

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Speaker 8: I would go dispute tribunal because then you have the

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Speaker 8: backing of the district court. I'll try that. Annoying, but

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Speaker 8: I would try that.

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Speaker 17: Doesn't the restaurant own half the side fence?

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Speaker 8: Not necessarily, because chances are the person who is occupying

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Speaker 8: the restaurant leases the building from the owner. So and

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Speaker 8: then as a property owner, I wasn't responsible for the damage.

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Speaker 8: It's not like it's an old fence that fell over.

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Speaker 8: It's it's an individual using a car that's damaged the fence.

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Speaker 8: It's got if I was the owner of the land,

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Speaker 8: I'm not responsible for it because I didn't cause the damage.

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Speaker 17: All right, If I pay to get the fence repaired

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01:13:59,255 --> 01:14:02,495
Speaker 17: while waiting for the pols, doesn't the person next door

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Speaker 17: have to pay half?

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Speaker 8: Nope, because it's it's damage as a posts, you know,

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01:14:07,655 --> 01:14:10,655
Speaker 8: if the fence, Well, the only way you could do that,

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Speaker 8: and the only way you can get half of the

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Speaker 8: payment is if you, under the Fencing Act go to

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Speaker 8: them and say we need to replace the fence as

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Speaker 8: a result of damage. I'm seeking a contribution from you.

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01:14:23,615 --> 01:14:26,055
Speaker 8: They might argue, well, the damage wasn't caused by me,

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01:14:26,295 --> 01:14:29,335
Speaker 8: nor was it normal wear and tear. It's a one

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Speaker 8: off event, because then they're going to have to try

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01:14:32,095 --> 01:14:34,375
Speaker 8: and claim from the person who did it as well,

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01:14:34,455 --> 01:14:37,815
Speaker 8: which just gets time consuming as well. So I think

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01:14:37,855 --> 01:14:41,575
Speaker 8: your shortest course of action is going to be to

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01:14:42,015 --> 01:14:45,095
Speaker 8: try and find out the name and address of the

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01:14:45,135 --> 01:14:48,135
Speaker 8: person who caused the damage, the driver of the car,

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Speaker 8: and then register with the Disputes Tribunal and seek a

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01:14:53,215 --> 01:14:57,135
Speaker 8: judgment from them for damages and then that is enforceable

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Speaker 8: by the court. And that's the one thing that's the advantage.

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01:15:00,415 --> 01:15:04,615
Speaker 8: And we had the basically chief judge or chief adjudicator

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01:15:04,655 --> 01:15:07,015
Speaker 8: from the dispute Stribunal on the show a little while ago.

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Speaker 8: And that was the one thing that I learned about

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01:15:09,055 --> 01:15:12,175
Speaker 8: that which was really really useful. Right yoh, we're going

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01:15:12,215 --> 01:15:13,695
Speaker 8: to take short break. We'll come back. We'll talk to

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Speaker 8: Daniel from Nanoclear in a moment. We've got time for

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01:15:16,095 --> 01:15:19,015
Speaker 8: a couple more calls, and then after the news at

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01:15:19,015 --> 01:15:20,775
Speaker 8: eight o'clock a chance to have a bit of a

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01:15:20,855 --> 01:15:24,455
Speaker 8: chat with the Minister for Building and Construction Chris Pink

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Speaker 8: will join me after eight o'clock.

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Speaker 1: Measure twice God was but maybe call Pete first, feed

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Speaker 1: your WORFCAF the resident builder News Talk said be a

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Speaker 1: couple of.

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Speaker 8: Weeks ago someone rang and was talking about sort of

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01:15:37,575 --> 01:15:42,135
Speaker 8: faded aluminium joinery. Interestingly enough, so in many cases you'll

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01:15:42,135 --> 01:15:44,695
Speaker 8: get faded aluminium jowinery. Maybe the garage door looks a

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01:15:44,735 --> 01:15:48,495
Speaker 8: bit dull, so aluminium powder coated surfaces can fade and

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01:15:48,535 --> 01:15:51,895
Speaker 8: discolor over time. New Zealand weather, the intense weather the

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Speaker 8: UV causes oxidation and corrosion on aluminium windows and garage doors.

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Speaker 8: So Nanoclear is a solution to restore and protect these surfaces. Today, Daniel,

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01:16:01,335 --> 01:16:04,415
Speaker 8: one of Nanoclear's professional applicators, is here to tell us

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Speaker 8: a bit more. Daniel, good morning, Good morning Peter, how

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01:16:07,335 --> 01:16:09,695
Speaker 8: are you hey. Now, I know Nanoclear is like a

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01:16:09,735 --> 01:16:11,975
Speaker 8: protective coating, So tell us a little bit more about

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Speaker 8: it and what makes it the best solution for the

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Speaker 8: protection of aluminium window frames and garage doors.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, thanks Peter. Yeah, we have a team of friendly

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01:16:20,295 --> 01:16:23,695
Speaker 15: professionals who take care and special attention to protecting your

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01:16:23,695 --> 01:16:27,455
Speaker 15: proddicated surfaces, increasing the look and the value of your asset,

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01:16:27,495 --> 01:16:31,295
Speaker 15: whether it be your personal home or your business. Now,

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01:16:31,375 --> 01:16:33,975
Speaker 15: Nanoclaire is a spray on coating and it has several

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01:16:34,015 --> 01:16:37,055
Speaker 15: key benefits that offer long term protection to your garage

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01:16:37,095 --> 01:16:39,575
Speaker 15: doors and your aluminium jewnery. So, as I said, it's

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01:16:39,575 --> 01:16:41,575
Speaker 15: a spray on finish and it gives you a smooth

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01:16:41,695 --> 01:16:44,455
Speaker 15: and as new finish. We can adjust the gloss level

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01:16:44,495 --> 01:16:47,895
Speaker 15: from matts to full gloss, or even apply that texture

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01:16:47,975 --> 01:16:52,135
Speaker 15: on the new aluminium jewinery, extrusions on that, on that

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Speaker 15: on the new windows. So Nanoclaire is six times harder

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01:16:55,775 --> 01:16:58,695
Speaker 15: than paint and it's highly resistant to scratches. It's also

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01:16:58,855 --> 01:17:04,215
Speaker 15: chemical insolvent, resistance, so housewash treatments, bug sprays, sunscreen off

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01:17:04,215 --> 01:17:06,295
Speaker 15: your hands, and even graffiti won't stick to the surface.

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01:17:06,455 --> 01:17:08,975
Speaker 15: That can all be easily wiped off. Yeah, and like

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01:17:09,015 --> 01:17:12,095
Speaker 15: you mentioned, it's UVR resistant, so meaning it won't fade

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01:17:12,095 --> 01:17:14,375
Speaker 15: and it'll protect your jowinery for.

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Speaker 6: Up to ten years.

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Speaker 8: It is impressive, and I suppose especially for houses where

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01:17:18,535 --> 01:17:20,775
Speaker 8: maybe you've done a retrofit of the double glazing, it

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01:17:20,815 --> 01:17:22,335
Speaker 8: can be a little bit tricky when you've got some

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01:17:22,375 --> 01:17:25,215
Speaker 8: old new jowinery side by side, might end up looking

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01:17:25,255 --> 01:17:25,935
Speaker 8: a bit patchy.

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01:17:27,335 --> 01:17:30,255
Speaker 15: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, after retrofitting, we make sure the jewinery

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01:17:30,375 --> 01:17:33,415
Speaker 15: is coded evenly so the old areas look just like

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01:17:33,455 --> 01:17:36,775
Speaker 15: the new extrusions, avoiding any discrepancy and color that can

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01:17:36,815 --> 01:17:40,335
Speaker 15: be obvious with retrifiting. So to do this, we coak

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01:17:40,375 --> 01:17:43,295
Speaker 15: the entire window to ensure a uniform like new appearance.

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01:17:43,895 --> 01:17:46,815
Speaker 15: This option it not only helps achieve a warmer home

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01:17:46,855 --> 01:17:49,135
Speaker 15: at a lower cost than replacing the jewinery, but it

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01:17:49,255 --> 01:17:51,055
Speaker 15: also transforms the look of your property.

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Speaker 8: Now I've seen your work firsthand, and when you recolored

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01:17:54,775 --> 01:17:58,095
Speaker 8: some alminium joinner in a house to a completely different shade.

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Speaker 8: So if you've got an old orange one, but you

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01:18:00,055 --> 01:18:02,535
Speaker 8: weren't gray that can you can do that?

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Speaker 17: Yeah?

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01:18:03,855 --> 01:18:06,135
Speaker 15: That's right. Yeah, No, It's incredible how something as simple

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01:18:06,135 --> 01:18:08,455
Speaker 15: as just changing the joinery color can give you home

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01:18:08,495 --> 01:18:09,575
Speaker 15: a completely new look.

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01:18:10,055 --> 01:18:10,975
Speaker 6: It's almost as if.

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Speaker 15: You've had a major renovation, completely updating their parents. So

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01:18:14,455 --> 01:18:16,775
Speaker 15: to do this, we remove all the hardware and the latches,

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01:18:16,855 --> 01:18:19,055
Speaker 15: the handles, and that strip out the ceiling rubbers and

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01:18:19,055 --> 01:18:21,495
Speaker 15: the opening sashes. We've even take those little furs out

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01:18:21,495 --> 01:18:25,615
Speaker 15: of the ranch sliders and fully recolor the joinery. And

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01:18:25,655 --> 01:18:28,655
Speaker 15: after we've done even builders can't tell a difference. Plus,

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01:18:28,655 --> 01:18:32,095
Speaker 15: we offer an upgrade to modern hardware to replace your

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01:18:32,135 --> 01:18:34,335
Speaker 15: handles and latches and just give it a brand new

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01:18:34,375 --> 01:18:38,335
Speaker 15: look without the hassle or expense of replacing it entirely.

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Speaker 8: Now, Nanoclear operate nationwide, right across the country. How can

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01:18:41,975 --> 01:18:42,775
Speaker 8: people get in touch?

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01:18:43,695 --> 01:18:46,415
Speaker 15: Yeah, just simply visit us at dub dub dub dot,

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01:18:46,535 --> 01:18:49,295
Speaker 15: nanocleare dot co, dot and z. We'll come to your site,

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01:18:49,295 --> 01:18:51,455
Speaker 15: provide you a quote, and we'll guide you through the process.

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01:18:51,495 --> 01:18:54,495
Speaker 15: We have a team of friendly people ready to help

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01:18:54,655 --> 01:18:56,535
Speaker 15: make your elumentum jowinery look new again.

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01:18:57,175 --> 01:18:59,975
Speaker 8: Nanocreas a great solution, Thanks very much, Daniel. So, if

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01:19:00,015 --> 01:19:02,735
Speaker 8: your powder coded surfaces are starting to get tired, or

1396
01:19:02,775 --> 01:19:06,015
Speaker 8: you're looking to replace, looking to make them look like new,

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01:19:06,455 --> 01:19:09,575
Speaker 8: or change the color of your aluminium joinery or garage doors,

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01:19:09,615 --> 01:19:15,775
Speaker 8: contact Nanoclear. That's nanoclear dot co dot m z z

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01:19:15,935 --> 01:19:19,255
Speaker 8: B right over. Try and get through quick couple of

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01:19:19,775 --> 01:19:24,215
Speaker 8: calls before to break anita. Hello there, Hi, how are

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01:19:24,215 --> 01:19:25,815
Speaker 8: you going? Yeah? Very well, thinks.

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01:19:27,375 --> 01:19:33,735
Speaker 18: My question is I've got a nineteen sixties weatherboard. How

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01:19:33,895 --> 01:19:37,095
Speaker 18: this looks like a housing court pouse of that style

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01:19:37,175 --> 01:19:41,855
Speaker 18: in that era. I was told five years ago when

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01:19:41,895 --> 01:19:45,055
Speaker 18: I purchased it that I may need to replace the

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01:19:45,415 --> 01:19:49,415
Speaker 18: roof ridges on the roof at some stage. It isn't

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01:19:49,455 --> 01:19:52,055
Speaker 18: a problem yet, but I was really I was just

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01:19:52,055 --> 01:19:55,255
Speaker 18: wanting to know can that be done without replacing the

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01:19:55,335 --> 01:19:58,415
Speaker 18: clay tiles, because I haven't got an issue with the

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01:19:58,455 --> 01:19:59,215
Speaker 18: clay tiles at.

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Speaker 8: All for the age of the house. Are you sure

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Speaker 8: it's clay tiles not concrete ones?

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01:20:05,295 --> 01:20:06,975
Speaker 18: I've been told clay tile.

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01:20:07,535 --> 01:20:12,295
Speaker 8: Okay. It's interesting because they're not that common at that vintage, right,

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01:20:12,375 --> 01:20:16,335
Speaker 8: They're quite common earlier on. So I guess what you Yeah?

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01:20:16,415 --> 01:20:19,735
Speaker 8: So let's say that it might actually be a concrete tile,

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01:20:20,175 --> 01:20:22,975
Speaker 8: in which case, yes, you can replace roof tiles. This

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01:20:23,015 --> 01:20:25,695
Speaker 8: is the great thing generally with concrete tile roofs is

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01:20:25,695 --> 01:20:28,775
Speaker 8: that you know individual tiles can be removed and replaced.

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01:20:29,695 --> 01:20:32,895
Speaker 8: Ridge tiles that might have broken could be replaced, or

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01:20:32,935 --> 01:20:35,975
Speaker 8: in some cases someone might come along lift the ridge,

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01:20:36,375 --> 01:20:40,335
Speaker 8: capping up, chip off the mortar, redo the mortar and

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01:20:40,455 --> 01:20:44,015
Speaker 8: reuse the if they're in a suitable condition. Reuse the

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01:20:44,055 --> 01:20:47,655
Speaker 8: existing roof tiles roof ridges and just replace the ones

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01:20:47,695 --> 01:20:50,855
Speaker 8: that might be broken. Sometimes sourcing them can be a

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01:20:50,855 --> 01:20:55,375
Speaker 8: bit of a challenge, and obviously whoever does the work,

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01:20:55,695 --> 01:20:57,975
Speaker 8: they should be able to offer you a warranty or

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01:20:57,975 --> 01:21:00,655
Speaker 8: some sort of guarantee about the weather tightness of the

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01:21:00,735 --> 01:21:03,855
Speaker 8: job at the end. But yes, it's definitely repairable.

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Speaker 18: Right okay, And as far as establishing who does that

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01:21:10,135 --> 01:21:13,455
Speaker 18: sort of work, what's the best way to google? Google that?

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01:21:15,095 --> 01:21:17,895
Speaker 8: Look, there are a couple of large companies out there,

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01:21:17,935 --> 01:21:22,655
Speaker 8: so Edwards and Hardy's. There's a few others if you

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Speaker 8: do a Google search, But someone like Edwards and Hardy's,

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01:21:25,695 --> 01:21:28,455
Speaker 8: for example, have been around for a long time, and

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01:21:28,895 --> 01:21:32,375
Speaker 8: there might be other specialists in repair and maintenance of

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01:21:32,415 --> 01:21:36,135
Speaker 8: existing concrete tile roofs. Yeah, they'll be out there without

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01:21:36,175 --> 01:21:36,455
Speaker 8: a debt.

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01:21:36,935 --> 01:21:39,575
Speaker 18: It's just just in case question.

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01:21:40,335 --> 01:21:43,255
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think it's it's unlikely that you're going to

1441
01:21:43,255 --> 01:21:46,335
Speaker 8: be faced with sort of a complete replacement. You should

1442
01:21:46,335 --> 01:21:50,255
Speaker 8: be able to repair it. All the very best to you,

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01:21:50,415 --> 01:21:53,175
Speaker 8: take care of Thanks, Anita, all the best. So after

1444
01:21:53,215 --> 01:21:56,695
Speaker 8: the break, Chris Pink, the Minister for Building and Construction,

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01:21:56,735 --> 01:22:00,375
Speaker 8: will be joining me. To be fair, there's a lot

1446
01:22:00,415 --> 01:22:03,695
Speaker 8: of announcements that have been made, including just recently a

1447
01:22:03,775 --> 01:22:07,735
Speaker 8: decision that seventy square meter granny flat will be able

1448
01:22:07,735 --> 01:22:12,455
Speaker 8: to be built without necessarily requiring a building consent and

1449
01:22:12,535 --> 01:22:14,135
Speaker 8: so on. We're not going to touch on that. We're

1450
01:22:14,135 --> 01:22:16,295
Speaker 8: going to be talking about BCA's and we're going to

1451
01:22:16,335 --> 01:22:19,975
Speaker 8: be talking about cowboy builders. So straight after the break

1452
01:22:20,695 --> 01:22:23,375
Speaker 8: we'll take a text if you've got time and if

1453
01:22:23,375 --> 01:22:25,335
Speaker 8: the Minister's got time, But looking forward to a chat

1454
01:22:25,375 --> 01:22:27,695
Speaker 8: with Chris Pink straight after eight o'clock eight thirty. We're

1455
01:22:27,695 --> 01:22:29,255
Speaker 8: into the garden with Red Climb.

1456
01:22:29,015 --> 01:22:31,935
Speaker 2: Pasted doing up the house, sorting the garden.

1457
01:22:32,015 --> 01:22:34,855
Speaker 1: Asked Pete for a hand as a resident builder with

1458
01:22:34,895 --> 01:22:38,055
Speaker 1: Peter Wolfcap call oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty US

1459
01:22:38,095 --> 01:22:38,655
Speaker 1: Talks Envy.

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Speaker 8: Well, very good morning, welcome back to the program. Just

1461
01:22:41,775 --> 01:22:44,615
Speaker 8: gone six and a half minutes after eight. It is

1462
01:22:44,695 --> 01:22:48,055
Speaker 8: my great pleasure this morning to welcome back to the program.

1463
01:22:48,135 --> 01:22:50,695
Speaker 8: We had an opportunity to talk with the Minister of

1464
01:22:51,215 --> 01:22:54,215
Speaker 8: Building and Construction last year on the show, and I

1465
01:22:54,295 --> 01:22:58,295
Speaker 8: reached out recently given that I guess this was fairly

1466
01:22:58,375 --> 01:23:01,415
Speaker 8: clearly signaled there would be a number of changes from

1467
01:23:01,415 --> 01:23:04,935
Speaker 8: this government with regard to building, particularly with a focus

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01:23:05,015 --> 01:23:08,855
Speaker 8: on trying to prove efficiency, trying to make it more

1469
01:23:08,895 --> 01:23:13,295
Speaker 8: affordable to build houses in New Zealand. So it is,

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01:23:13,615 --> 01:23:16,055
Speaker 8: as I mentioned, great pleasure to welcome back to the program,

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01:23:16,375 --> 01:23:18,495
Speaker 8: Chris Pink. Thank you very much for your time on

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01:23:18,535 --> 01:23:19,215
Speaker 8: a Sunday morning.

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Speaker 2: How are you, Chris, Good morning, Peter.

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01:23:21,415 --> 01:23:23,695
Speaker 15: It's a pleasure to be with you on the show today.

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01:23:23,855 --> 01:23:26,935
Speaker 8: Yeah, hey, looking forward to it. And can I just

1476
01:23:26,975 --> 01:23:30,455
Speaker 8: say too, I've really appreciated the fact that I've been

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Speaker 8: to a number of events this year, whether it's a

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01:23:34,335 --> 01:23:37,015
Speaker 8: little factory out by the airport in Hamilton with a

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01:23:37,055 --> 01:23:40,255
Speaker 8: guy who's doing three D printing, or out at the

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Speaker 8: Stark Windows factory, a little while ago, and you're there

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01:23:45,135 --> 01:23:47,775
Speaker 8: and one of the things one of them. Without wanting

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01:23:47,775 --> 01:23:50,775
Speaker 8: to ingratiate myself or anything, but one of the feedbacks

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01:23:50,815 --> 01:23:54,015
Speaker 8: I get is that you are seemingly genuinely interested in

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01:23:54,095 --> 01:23:57,375
Speaker 8: the issue in your portfolio and you're out there talking

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01:23:57,375 --> 01:23:59,335
Speaker 8: to people all the time. So good on you.

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Speaker 15: Oh well, I really appreciate that. I mean, for my part,

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01:24:02,135 --> 01:24:03,855
Speaker 15: I think i'd be mad if I wasn't engaged with

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Speaker 15: You're doing the thing, building the things and knowing the things.

1489
01:24:08,575 --> 01:24:13,735
Speaker 15: Com clearly you know you're everywhere too, so yeah, yeah,

1490
01:24:14,655 --> 01:24:16,175
Speaker 15: setting out those great events.

1491
01:24:15,855 --> 01:24:19,335
Speaker 8: And places that we see awesome. Okay, Now, look, there

1492
01:24:19,375 --> 01:24:21,735
Speaker 8: are we could choose from any number of topics, but

1493
01:24:21,895 --> 01:24:24,535
Speaker 8: I promised that i'd stick to two of them. So

1494
01:24:24,815 --> 01:24:28,255
Speaker 8: just in terms of the I suppose you're looking to

1495
01:24:28,295 --> 01:24:32,335
Speaker 8: get efficiency gains in the consenting process. And I guess

1496
01:24:32,335 --> 01:24:35,215
Speaker 8: ever since you've become the Minister for Building and Construction,

1497
01:24:35,535 --> 01:24:37,495
Speaker 8: people have come to you and said it takes too

1498
01:24:37,575 --> 01:24:40,655
Speaker 8: long to get a building consent, and so there's some

1499
01:24:40,815 --> 01:24:43,815
Speaker 8: changes there. Can you just step us through what the

1500
01:24:43,975 --> 01:24:45,135
Speaker 8: changes are likely to be?

1501
01:24:46,615 --> 01:24:49,255
Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean there's a really big picture where we

1502
01:24:49,335 --> 01:24:52,655
Speaker 15: ask if the people giving the consents at the moment

1503
01:24:52,655 --> 01:24:54,575
Speaker 15: are the right ones at the moment. Of course, it's

1504
01:24:54,695 --> 01:24:56,975
Speaker 15: your local council and there are sixty six ers days

1505
01:24:57,015 --> 01:24:59,175
Speaker 15: across the country, so that's a big piece of work

1506
01:24:59,215 --> 01:25:01,935
Speaker 15: that we're trying to get to the bottom of. There's

1507
01:25:01,975 --> 01:25:05,655
Speaker 15: the question around whether they should have the liability that

1508
01:25:05,695 --> 01:25:08,655
Speaker 15: they do. Namely, you know, something goes wrong and the

1509
01:25:08,655 --> 01:25:11,455
Speaker 15: builder there's nowhere to be found or genuinely runs out

1510
01:25:11,535 --> 01:25:13,655
Speaker 15: of money, and the events the claim for a defect,

1511
01:25:13,735 --> 01:25:16,015
Speaker 15: then the ratepayers are on the hook. So those are

1512
01:25:16,015 --> 01:25:18,575
Speaker 15: a sort of big picture questions swirling around. But in

1513
01:25:18,615 --> 01:25:21,055
Speaker 15: the meantime, actually from the very start, I thought, well,

1514
01:25:21,135 --> 01:25:23,255
Speaker 15: we need some data to actually understand if the things

1515
01:25:23,255 --> 01:25:26,335
Speaker 15: that people are telling me and it dotally are true,

1516
01:25:26,575 --> 01:25:29,895
Speaker 15: which is that oftentimes they'll apply for content it will

1517
01:25:29,935 --> 01:25:32,415
Speaker 15: take a lot longer than the x tree period, which

1518
01:25:32,455 --> 01:25:34,175
Speaker 15: is to say, what the law sets out of twenty

1519
01:25:34,175 --> 01:25:36,815
Speaker 15: week and days and it dotally, you know, it does

1520
01:25:36,855 --> 01:25:40,215
Speaker 15: take longer than now often because further information will be

1521
01:25:40,335 --> 01:25:44,295
Speaker 15: requested in RFI and it'll stop the clock. And there's

1522
01:25:44,295 --> 01:25:47,535
Speaker 15: a bit of cinisism out there, and maybe sometimes it's justified,

1523
01:25:47,615 --> 01:25:49,975
Speaker 15: but in fairness to the councils, and I did try

1524
01:25:50,015 --> 01:25:52,495
Speaker 15: to make this point a week ago, maybe not clearly enough,

1525
01:25:52,495 --> 01:25:55,135
Speaker 15: but in finners to the council, sometimes they get pretty

1526
01:25:55,175 --> 01:25:58,855
Speaker 15: poor applications for building contents and they think they genuinely

1527
01:25:58,935 --> 01:26:00,655
Speaker 15: need to spend a bit of extra time going back

1528
01:26:00,695 --> 01:26:02,775
Speaker 15: and forth to get to the bottom of that before

1529
01:26:02,815 --> 01:26:05,855
Speaker 15: they can rightly sign those off. So maybe it's a

1530
01:26:05,855 --> 01:26:07,655
Speaker 15: bit on bo sites, but certainly if we can get

1531
01:26:07,695 --> 01:26:10,775
Speaker 15: past that and understand what the incentives on the system,

1532
01:26:10,815 --> 01:26:12,855
Speaker 15: then you maybe we'll lean up with a system that

1533
01:26:12,975 --> 01:26:15,295
Speaker 15: is quicker and if we're more affordable for people who

1534
01:26:15,295 --> 01:26:17,655
Speaker 15: are trying to build on please you.

1535
01:26:17,735 --> 01:26:21,095
Speaker 8: I acknowledge that, because again in discussions within the industry,

1536
01:26:21,415 --> 01:26:25,535
Speaker 8: certainly it did feel a little bit like the problem

1537
01:26:25,615 --> 01:26:27,735
Speaker 8: is always with the council. And I'm not here to

1538
01:26:27,735 --> 01:26:30,335
Speaker 8: defend the councils, but I would imagine that they get

1539
01:26:30,535 --> 01:26:33,815
Speaker 8: plans submitted to them that are of poor quality, and

1540
01:26:33,855 --> 01:26:37,975
Speaker 8: so it's quite justified that they stop the clock send

1541
01:26:37,975 --> 01:26:42,735
Speaker 8: out an RFI because the quality is poor. So I

1542
01:26:42,735 --> 01:26:45,935
Speaker 8: guess there is that, and then there's potentially that they

1543
01:26:45,975 --> 01:26:49,975
Speaker 8: are actually taking too long or the processing teams are

1544
01:26:50,015 --> 01:26:53,055
Speaker 8: not able to deal with the workload and that's holding

1545
01:26:53,135 --> 01:26:56,655
Speaker 8: things up. One of the other changes you're talking about

1546
01:26:56,735 --> 01:27:00,255
Speaker 8: is the potential for one portal for the lodgment of

1547
01:27:00,295 --> 01:27:03,655
Speaker 8: building consents. What's the work around that.

1548
01:27:04,695 --> 01:27:08,375
Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean that's really important idea to my mind,

1549
01:27:08,495 --> 01:27:10,695
Speaker 15: and just reflecting back actually the thing that people say

1550
01:27:10,695 --> 01:27:12,615
Speaker 15: to me when they're out there trying to do the

1551
01:27:12,615 --> 01:27:15,655
Speaker 15: building work, be it you design professionals. Of course Frital

1552
01:27:15,735 --> 01:27:19,695
Speaker 15: starts having architectural design licensed building practitioners or of course

1553
01:27:19,695 --> 01:27:22,295
Speaker 15: those on the tools and the whole point there is

1554
01:27:22,295 --> 01:27:25,215
Speaker 15: that for those who are operating across more than one

1555
01:27:25,415 --> 01:27:28,415
Speaker 15: council boundary, which is actually many within a region, but

1556
01:27:28,495 --> 01:27:31,335
Speaker 15: also those are operating at a nationwide scale, it has

1557
01:27:31,375 --> 01:27:35,255
Speaker 15: to interact with different systems. It's probably literally different logins

1558
01:27:35,255 --> 01:27:38,335
Speaker 15: and different ways of uploading documents and receiving things back.

1559
01:27:38,815 --> 01:27:41,055
Speaker 15: Just speaks to the bigger problem about the lack of

1560
01:27:41,335 --> 01:27:45,615
Speaker 15: consistency and ease of dealing with different councils across the country.

1561
01:27:45,735 --> 01:27:48,815
Speaker 15: And of course that's a real drag on productivity if

1562
01:27:48,815 --> 01:27:50,735
Speaker 15: we don't enable people to sort of get on and

1563
01:27:50,815 --> 01:27:53,135
Speaker 15: use the same design from one town to the next.

1564
01:27:53,335 --> 01:27:55,695
Speaker 15: And it's part of that bigger picture that we're trying

1565
01:27:55,695 --> 01:27:59,455
Speaker 15: to get past of everything being so bespoke, so one off,

1566
01:27:59,975 --> 01:28:02,575
Speaker 15: and really not able to get the efficiency gains that

1567
01:28:02,575 --> 01:28:05,735
Speaker 15: you should be able to expect. In BETWEENY first and three.

1568
01:28:07,015 --> 01:28:09,855
Speaker 8: Is what that single point of contact? What would that

1569
01:28:09,895 --> 01:28:12,935
Speaker 8: look like? So essentially a sort of a central agency

1570
01:28:13,015 --> 01:28:16,895
Speaker 8: that all of your building consents are entered into one

1571
01:28:17,015 --> 01:28:20,975
Speaker 8: portal and then distributed to the bcas.

1572
01:28:20,895 --> 01:28:23,815
Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean that that could be one that's more

1573
01:28:23,895 --> 01:28:27,175
Speaker 15: or less the models that we've talked about as a

1574
01:28:27,215 --> 01:28:31,095
Speaker 15: single national B THEA or building Consent authority. But I

1575
01:28:31,095 --> 01:28:33,295
Speaker 15: should note for the sake of completeness, there are a

1576
01:28:33,335 --> 01:28:36,295
Speaker 15: couple of other possibilities that we've been consulting on. One

1577
01:28:36,415 --> 01:28:40,495
Speaker 15: is to have a map of New Zealand drawn with

1578
01:28:41,255 --> 01:28:44,375
Speaker 15: boundaries along regional lines and say, well, if you're within

1579
01:28:44,455 --> 01:28:48,095
Speaker 15: that region, you've got to have a single point of

1580
01:28:48,135 --> 01:28:50,815
Speaker 15: contact or you know, essentially a single maybe a legal

1581
01:28:50,935 --> 01:28:55,295
Speaker 15: entity and separated out from the councils. And then and

1582
01:28:55,335 --> 01:28:57,535
Speaker 15: then the other option would just be sort of a

1583
01:28:57,615 --> 01:29:00,375
Speaker 15: variation of that where some councils actually, to give a

1584
01:29:00,415 --> 01:29:03,415
Speaker 15: lot of credit words due are looking to consolidate those

1585
01:29:03,455 --> 01:29:07,255
Speaker 15: functions already across regional boundaries. So many councils have said,

1586
01:29:07,255 --> 01:29:10,015
Speaker 15: look our mates across the way, you know, we want

1587
01:29:10,015 --> 01:29:11,815
Speaker 15: to sort of see some resources when it comes to

1588
01:29:11,895 --> 01:29:15,055
Speaker 15: creditation or maybe the personnel. You know, a small council

1589
01:29:15,055 --> 01:29:17,175
Speaker 15: particularly and someone goes on lead that that puts them

1590
01:29:17,175 --> 01:29:20,295
Speaker 15: in difficult position. So that's sort of the other kind

1591
01:29:20,335 --> 01:29:22,895
Speaker 15: of big, big model that could be done. But just

1592
01:29:22,935 --> 01:29:24,775
Speaker 15: to really sorry, just to quickly go back to that

1593
01:29:25,095 --> 01:29:28,935
Speaker 15: initial possibility that you've mentioned. I think some sort of

1594
01:29:29,015 --> 01:29:32,575
Speaker 15: national system, whether it's a single IT system and portal

1595
01:29:33,095 --> 01:29:36,535
Speaker 15: and then it gets distributed out is a distinct possibility.

1596
01:29:36,975 --> 01:29:39,935
Speaker 15: And of course the other thing to turn in the

1597
01:29:39,975 --> 01:29:42,615
Speaker 15: mix there would be the possibility of private building contend

1598
01:29:42,655 --> 01:29:46,335
Speaker 15: authorities such as are actually already allowed for in the legislation,

1599
01:29:46,455 --> 01:29:47,855
Speaker 15: but that don't yet exist.

1600
01:29:48,055 --> 01:29:50,775
Speaker 8: Right, Okay, So there's there's lots of changes there. And

1601
01:29:52,535 --> 01:29:54,695
Speaker 8: you've mentioned a couple of times we have a large

1602
01:29:54,775 --> 01:29:58,615
Speaker 8: number of BCA's right building con send authorities. So how

1603
01:29:58,855 --> 01:30:00,535
Speaker 8: likely do you think it is that we'll see that

1604
01:30:00,655 --> 01:30:05,415
Speaker 8: number reduced? That there will be, either with their agreement

1605
01:30:05,575 --> 01:30:10,695
Speaker 8: or top down a move to consolidate the number of bcas.

1606
01:30:10,215 --> 01:30:13,655
Speaker 15: I would say it's absolutely inevitable that the number will do. Yeah,

1607
01:30:13,895 --> 01:30:16,615
Speaker 15: simply not tenable to have sixty six different interpretations of

1608
01:30:16,655 --> 01:30:20,335
Speaker 15: a single building code, whether or not there are all

1609
01:30:20,375 --> 01:30:24,095
Speaker 15: the way down to one or may or maybe something

1610
01:30:24,175 --> 01:30:25,295
Speaker 15: you know, literally in between.

1611
01:30:25,295 --> 01:30:25,775
Speaker 7: It could be.

1612
01:30:25,935 --> 01:30:28,135
Speaker 15: I mean, you can imagine thirty regions, for example, and

1613
01:30:28,335 --> 01:30:31,095
Speaker 15: I've just made up that number, sure mathematically, but you

1614
01:30:31,255 --> 01:30:33,415
Speaker 15: can imagine a couple of different nations. But but certainly

1615
01:30:33,455 --> 01:30:36,135
Speaker 15: the biggesting model isn't working, and so do expect it

1616
01:30:36,175 --> 01:30:38,815
Speaker 15: there'll be a lot fewer than our sixty six in

1617
01:30:38,855 --> 01:30:39,815
Speaker 15: terms of what we come up with.

1618
01:30:40,135 --> 01:30:42,215
Speaker 8: So in terms of the reporting that you've asked back

1619
01:30:42,255 --> 01:30:45,655
Speaker 8: from the BCAS, I think the first graphic has come

1620
01:30:45,695 --> 01:30:49,215
Speaker 8: out there, you know, with some councils processing most of

1621
01:30:49,255 --> 01:30:53,415
Speaker 8: their consents within twenty days, some taking considerably longer. Are

1622
01:30:53,455 --> 01:30:56,295
Speaker 8: you asking BCAS to report back? Is it every quarter?

1623
01:30:57,335 --> 01:30:57,535
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1624
01:30:57,575 --> 01:30:57,935
Speaker 15: Correct?

1625
01:30:58,015 --> 01:30:58,295
Speaker 6: Quarter?

1626
01:30:58,535 --> 01:30:59,295
Speaker 2: Okay, quarterly?

1627
01:31:01,735 --> 01:31:03,655
Speaker 8: What do you hope to achieve by that?

1628
01:31:04,775 --> 01:31:06,535
Speaker 15: Well, we want to build up a picture of because

1629
01:31:06,615 --> 01:31:10,375
Speaker 15: what's tepping up there? Because yeah, I mean again anecdotal evidence,

1630
01:31:10,855 --> 01:31:12,575
Speaker 15: you know, it's evidence of a type. But suddenly a

1631
01:31:12,575 --> 01:31:13,935
Speaker 15: lot of people have said to me they get the

1632
01:31:14,055 --> 01:31:17,135
Speaker 15: RAF on the nineteenth day, and they're suspicious and suspicious

1633
01:31:17,135 --> 01:31:20,255
Speaker 15: that right stopping the clock. You've got the councilors who say, oh,

1634
01:31:20,295 --> 01:31:22,895
Speaker 15: we you know, we process everything within the time frame,

1635
01:31:22,935 --> 01:31:25,655
Speaker 15: but you know that the counting as though, you know

1636
01:31:25,695 --> 01:31:28,575
Speaker 15: that the time doesn't elapse when when they're asking for

1637
01:31:28,615 --> 01:31:30,735
Speaker 15: that further information. But in the real word, of course,

1638
01:31:30,775 --> 01:31:33,215
Speaker 15: if you're borrowing money to do a new build, or

1639
01:31:33,215 --> 01:31:35,015
Speaker 15: if you're simply waiting to have the use of the

1640
01:31:35,055 --> 01:31:38,495
Speaker 15: house back, you know that that's not particularly meaningful to

1641
01:31:38,535 --> 01:31:41,255
Speaker 15: hear that. You know, by some technical measure, other times

1642
01:31:41,255 --> 01:31:43,375
Speaker 15: frames have been reached. So it's really a good faith

1643
01:31:43,375 --> 01:31:45,295
Speaker 15: effort to try and get behind that, and also to

1644
01:31:45,335 --> 01:31:47,895
Speaker 15: understand you know, some councils actually managing us pretty well,

1645
01:31:48,095 --> 01:31:49,975
Speaker 15: in others not so much so, just to sort of

1646
01:31:49,975 --> 01:31:52,495
Speaker 15: look at that regial variation, but not in a finger

1647
01:31:52,495 --> 01:31:54,615
Speaker 15: pointing or blame game kind of a way.

1648
01:31:54,935 --> 01:31:59,375
Speaker 8: Yeah, okay, because again anecdotally, and I know we've used

1649
01:31:59,375 --> 01:32:02,095
Speaker 8: that phrase a number of times, but you will often

1650
01:32:02,175 --> 01:32:05,775
Speaker 8: hear this where you know, let's say developer working across

1651
01:32:05,815 --> 01:32:08,215
Speaker 8: a couple of different councils will find that he gets

1652
01:32:08,255 --> 01:32:12,335
Speaker 8: different responses from different councils as if there are multiple

1653
01:32:12,415 --> 01:32:15,055
Speaker 8: building codes, but there's not. There's one Building Act and

1654
01:32:15,095 --> 01:32:18,335
Speaker 8: one Building Code, but it seems the interpretation varies, which

1655
01:32:18,735 --> 01:32:21,495
Speaker 8: must be incredible. It is incredibly frustrating.

1656
01:32:22,455 --> 01:32:24,815
Speaker 15: Absolutely, I mean that's frustrating for them. But of course,

1657
01:32:24,855 --> 01:32:26,695
Speaker 15: you know, overall, if you think about the system that

1658
01:32:26,975 --> 01:32:30,975
Speaker 15: lacks productivity and has the same you know, per per

1659
01:32:31,055 --> 01:32:34,335
Speaker 15: person our output as we the year nineteen eighty five,

1660
01:32:35,295 --> 01:32:37,535
Speaker 15: it's just crazy and we've got to get past that.

1661
01:32:38,295 --> 01:32:40,775
Speaker 15: And so if you think about the incentives that you know,

1662
01:32:41,255 --> 01:32:43,015
Speaker 15: from a council point of view, again, in the sake

1663
01:32:43,055 --> 01:32:46,095
Speaker 15: of fairness, each of those is its own separate legal

1664
01:32:46,255 --> 01:32:49,935
Speaker 15: entity with all rbility. They can't say, oh, well that

1665
01:32:50,055 --> 01:32:54,255
Speaker 15: you know, the ABC District council down the road approved

1666
01:32:54,255 --> 01:32:56,335
Speaker 15: these plans. They must be fine. You know, they've got

1667
01:32:56,375 --> 01:32:58,415
Speaker 15: to go through that themselves because otherwise they could be

1668
01:32:58,455 --> 01:33:01,055
Speaker 15: on the hook and their ratepayers could bear the burden

1669
01:33:01,095 --> 01:33:04,335
Speaker 15: of something going wrong. So you know, again it's it's

1670
01:33:04,335 --> 01:33:06,295
Speaker 15: fairs to not where the incentives lie. But they're not

1671
01:33:06,375 --> 01:33:07,975
Speaker 15: the right place. Acerson could tell.

1672
01:33:08,135 --> 01:33:10,055
Speaker 8: Okay, so we're going to make some changes there by

1673
01:33:10,095 --> 01:33:11,815
Speaker 8: the sound of it, we're going to take a short break,

1674
01:33:11,855 --> 01:33:13,815
Speaker 8: but I'd like to come back and talk about your

1675
01:33:13,935 --> 01:33:16,855
Speaker 8: more recent announcement. And lots of people have text through

1676
01:33:16,855 --> 01:33:19,175
Speaker 8: about the seventy square meter granny flat, but we'll leave

1677
01:33:19,175 --> 01:33:20,735
Speaker 8: that for another day. But I do want to come

1678
01:33:20,775 --> 01:33:23,615
Speaker 8: back and talk about Cowboy builders and what you might

1679
01:33:23,615 --> 01:33:25,335
Speaker 8: be able to do about that in just a moment.

1680
01:33:25,415 --> 01:33:27,335
Speaker 8: So joining me this morning on the program, Chris Pink,

1681
01:33:27,655 --> 01:33:31,175
Speaker 8: Minister for Construction and or Building and Construction, will be

1682
01:33:31,215 --> 01:33:32,255
Speaker 8: back straight after the break.

1683
01:33:32,415 --> 01:33:35,295
Speaker 1: Whether you're painting the ceiling, fixing the Feds, or wondering

1684
01:33:35,335 --> 01:33:36,895
Speaker 1: how to fix that hole in the wall.

1685
01:33:36,975 --> 01:33:41,535
Speaker 2: Give feeder Wolf Caaba call on eighty. The resident builder

1686
01:33:41,695 --> 01:33:42,855
Speaker 2: on News dog z'b.

1687
01:33:43,455 --> 01:33:46,255
Speaker 8: With me on the program is the Minister for Construction

1688
01:33:46,375 --> 01:33:49,495
Speaker 8: and Building and Construction, Chris Pink. Thank you very much

1689
01:33:49,495 --> 01:33:52,095
Speaker 8: for joining us on a Sunday morning. I am getting

1690
01:33:52,095 --> 01:33:54,015
Speaker 8: a bunch of texts and so I just want to

1691
01:33:54,055 --> 01:33:56,335
Speaker 8: do this one first. Take Pete, can you ask the

1692
01:33:56,375 --> 01:34:00,015
Speaker 8: Minister we had private certifiers under the nineteen ninety one

1693
01:34:00,095 --> 01:34:02,895
Speaker 8: Building Act. When the leaky homes happened, they shut up

1694
01:34:02,935 --> 01:34:06,495
Speaker 8: shop and disappeared. If we bring back private certifiers and

1695
01:34:06,495 --> 01:34:09,495
Speaker 8: self certifiers, how will we stop this happening again?

1696
01:34:10,815 --> 01:34:13,975
Speaker 19: What's your thoughts, Chris, Yeah, I mean not very fair

1697
01:34:14,015 --> 01:34:18,175
Speaker 19: point that correspondence makes that we desperately need to avoid

1698
01:34:18,255 --> 01:34:21,575
Speaker 19: any kind of lack of quality or assurance.

1699
01:34:21,615 --> 01:34:23,775
Speaker 15: So I mean, no decisions have been made in terms

1700
01:34:23,775 --> 01:34:26,975
Speaker 15: of what the system would look like in terms of

1701
01:34:27,415 --> 01:34:30,535
Speaker 15: building concent authorities. But I would just know that actually

1702
01:34:30,575 --> 01:34:33,175
Speaker 15: at the moment when councils get overwhelmed by having too

1703
01:34:33,215 --> 01:34:35,815
Speaker 15: many applications, one of the things they do is they

1704
01:34:35,855 --> 01:34:39,415
Speaker 15: pass them out to private certifiers by a different name

1705
01:34:40,855 --> 01:34:43,335
Speaker 15: or maybe by that name, but not being the building

1706
01:34:43,375 --> 01:34:46,295
Speaker 15: in central authorities themselves, and they do the work and

1707
01:34:46,295 --> 01:34:48,255
Speaker 15: then pass it back to the council, and the council

1708
01:34:48,335 --> 01:34:51,815
Speaker 15: says to the developer, He've got a version of that

1709
01:34:51,895 --> 01:34:55,295
Speaker 15: already is in all of us. You know, what can

1710
01:34:55,335 --> 01:34:57,295
Speaker 15: you do to make sure that you're not going to

1711
01:34:57,335 --> 01:35:00,535
Speaker 15: have some dubius outfit making decisions that are going to

1712
01:35:00,575 --> 01:35:05,295
Speaker 15: leave a consumers such as homeowners or anyone really who's

1713
01:35:05,335 --> 01:35:11,095
Speaker 15: who's who's getting buil vulnerable and in the large nicture

1714
01:35:11,135 --> 01:35:14,175
Speaker 15: of the effects all of people, retirement, savings at stake

1715
01:35:14,215 --> 01:35:15,655
Speaker 15: and soul, we know we've got to get that right,

1716
01:35:15,655 --> 01:35:17,415
Speaker 15: So we're not going to move in any direction that

1717
01:35:18,055 --> 01:35:20,815
Speaker 15: could risk the quality and doesn't It is in fact

1718
01:35:20,855 --> 01:35:24,695
Speaker 15: by you know, pret mechanisms, be it private insurance, maybe

1719
01:35:24,895 --> 01:35:28,855
Speaker 15: public assurance, or a FIDELND or one of those models

1720
01:35:28,855 --> 01:35:31,815
Speaker 15: for example they use in Australia. So we're very mindful

1721
01:35:31,855 --> 01:35:34,495
Speaker 15: of the need not to have either an individual building

1722
01:35:34,615 --> 01:35:39,855
Speaker 15: level defect go no good or bad to going unpunished

1723
01:35:39,855 --> 01:35:42,415
Speaker 15: in that sense, or a system wie failure. God for

1724
01:35:42,455 --> 01:35:44,455
Speaker 15: the the lety bids we.

1725
01:35:44,495 --> 01:35:47,775
Speaker 8: Have outs for buildings. I'm guessing you know, as government,

1726
01:35:47,815 --> 01:35:50,095
Speaker 8: you'd go into it with a very different lens than

1727
01:35:50,375 --> 01:35:51,495
Speaker 8: back in nineteen ninety one.

1728
01:35:52,655 --> 01:35:52,855
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1729
01:35:52,895 --> 01:35:55,535
Speaker 15: Absolutely, I mean the lesson seemed to me to be

1730
01:35:55,935 --> 01:35:58,055
Speaker 15: pretty well ranged and we're not going to tune the

1731
01:35:58,095 --> 01:35:59,735
Speaker 15: clock back on that. But at the same time, I

1732
01:35:59,775 --> 01:36:03,415
Speaker 15: would also just gently point out that we have a

1733
01:36:03,455 --> 01:36:06,095
Speaker 15: building crisis at this country in this country at the moment,

1734
01:36:06,375 --> 01:36:10,255
Speaker 15: and it's said it costs so jolly much to a

1735
01:36:10,255 --> 01:36:13,135
Speaker 15: lot of can't afford that, and that's not fair to them,

1736
01:36:13,175 --> 01:36:15,935
Speaker 15: it's not good for communities and all the social outcomes.

1737
01:36:15,935 --> 01:36:17,815
Speaker 15: And if you think of kids not tuning up to

1738
01:36:17,855 --> 01:36:20,695
Speaker 15: school because parents have been moved around from one and

1739
01:36:20,735 --> 01:36:22,815
Speaker 15: secure and talk to the next. You know, there's a

1740
01:36:22,815 --> 01:36:25,055
Speaker 15: lot at stake. Were simply as a balance, and we've

1741
01:36:25,055 --> 01:36:26,975
Speaker 15: we've obviously going to try and get that right.

1742
01:36:28,215 --> 01:36:32,135
Speaker 8: Okay, the other thing, And again, I'm very aware that

1743
01:36:32,175 --> 01:36:34,295
Speaker 8: there's been a number of announcements and I'm really keen

1744
01:36:34,335 --> 01:36:35,655
Speaker 8: to talk about a whole lot of things, so we'll

1745
01:36:35,655 --> 01:36:37,815
Speaker 8: probably get you on. But I again, but I do

1746
01:36:37,855 --> 01:36:41,255
Speaker 8: want to talk about this announcement with regard to strengthening

1747
01:36:41,615 --> 01:36:45,215
Speaker 8: the disciplinary process for you know, for one of a

1748
01:36:45,255 --> 01:36:48,575
Speaker 8: better term cowboy builders. Right, And I read out a

1749
01:36:48,615 --> 01:36:51,375
Speaker 8: story today, it's in the Herald online, it's in the

1750
01:36:51,415 --> 01:36:55,095
Speaker 8: newspaper today about a couple who lost about one hundred

1751
01:36:55,135 --> 01:36:57,655
Speaker 8: and ten thousand dollars to a builder that took an

1752
01:36:57,655 --> 01:37:00,775
Speaker 8: extra couple of years, left the work unfinished, still hasn't

1753
01:37:00,775 --> 01:37:04,935
Speaker 8: got coded compliance and so on. And so the censure

1754
01:37:05,015 --> 01:37:08,535
Speaker 8: for that particular builder, seventeen hundred bucks hasn't even had

1755
01:37:08,575 --> 01:37:11,415
Speaker 8: a license suspended. So what is it that you want

1756
01:37:11,415 --> 01:37:12,975
Speaker 8: to do? Because to be fair, when I when I

1757
01:37:13,015 --> 01:37:14,895
Speaker 8: heard the announcement, I thought, well, hang on, you're already

1758
01:37:14,895 --> 01:37:17,895
Speaker 8: talking about things that are already there. The disciplinary board's

1759
01:37:17,935 --> 01:37:21,335
Speaker 8: been there, the ability to censure LBPS has been there

1760
01:37:21,655 --> 01:37:23,975
Speaker 8: to implement fines. What's changing?

1761
01:37:25,255 --> 01:37:27,735
Speaker 15: Yeah, a very good question, and I just to acknowledge

1762
01:37:27,735 --> 01:37:30,095
Speaker 15: I'm obviously I come in on that case not having

1763
01:37:30,095 --> 01:37:32,855
Speaker 15: read that, but b because I mean number one, it

1764
01:37:32,895 --> 01:37:35,375
Speaker 15: sounds like it's one of very many in the space.

1765
01:37:35,455 --> 01:37:37,295
Speaker 15: So there's a lot of something that's broken at a

1766
01:37:37,535 --> 01:37:38,135
Speaker 15: system level.

1767
01:37:38,215 --> 01:37:38,495
Speaker 17: Yeah.

1768
01:37:38,615 --> 01:37:41,375
Speaker 15: Yeah, so we're without knowing as circumstances, it is all

1769
01:37:41,455 --> 01:37:44,495
Speaker 15: too common to hear about this. So so it's a

1770
01:37:44,495 --> 01:37:48,215
Speaker 15: matter of fairness that we do something about that. But

1771
01:37:48,255 --> 01:37:50,255
Speaker 15: actually as well, if I can, just if you're only

1772
01:37:50,335 --> 01:37:52,255
Speaker 15: just indulge me for a moment, to get back into

1773
01:37:52,255 --> 01:37:54,015
Speaker 15: the bigger picture, you know, to the extent that we

1774
01:37:54,135 --> 01:37:57,535
Speaker 15: can be more enabling for trusted building professionals who do

1775
01:37:57,615 --> 01:37:59,775
Speaker 15: have a good track record and and you know, will

1776
01:37:59,775 --> 01:38:03,455
Speaker 15: be accountable and not simply disappear off into the distance

1777
01:38:03,495 --> 01:38:05,615
Speaker 15: of things go badly. If we're going to be more

1778
01:38:05,695 --> 01:38:07,855
Speaker 15: enabling there to beat up with system, we also need

1779
01:38:07,895 --> 01:38:10,415
Speaker 15: to say, well, actually, who cannot be trusted to do that?

1780
01:38:10,655 --> 01:38:13,495
Speaker 15: And where do we actually need to be more you know,

1781
01:38:13,615 --> 01:38:16,695
Speaker 15: accountable and in place greater scrutiny and The answer is,

1782
01:38:17,135 --> 01:38:19,655
Speaker 15: you know, I've used the phrase cowboys, and I know

1783
01:38:19,735 --> 01:38:21,815
Speaker 15: it's a bit club to sort of use that, that

1784
01:38:22,655 --> 01:38:24,495
Speaker 15: that's vernacular, but people do have a good.

1785
01:38:24,375 --> 01:38:26,335
Speaker 8: Understand I think everyone knows what you mean. So why

1786
01:38:26,375 --> 01:38:27,495
Speaker 8: not yeah, exactly.

1787
01:38:27,735 --> 01:38:29,295
Speaker 15: Yeah, So in terms of what we do, I mean,

1788
01:38:29,655 --> 01:38:31,055
Speaker 15: there are a few different ways you can attack this.

1789
01:38:31,375 --> 01:38:34,455
Speaker 15: One actually is an interesting disconnect I've discovered, which is

1790
01:38:34,735 --> 01:38:38,855
Speaker 15: that whereas council inspectors in building control offices sometimes say

1791
01:38:39,135 --> 01:38:41,415
Speaker 15: we've got some terrible work going on around the past.

1792
01:38:41,575 --> 01:38:43,135
Speaker 15: You know, I've gone out and I've seen some of this,

1793
01:38:44,175 --> 01:38:46,415
Speaker 15: they're not making it up. There are some pretty bad

1794
01:38:46,415 --> 01:38:47,095
Speaker 15: practices out.

1795
01:38:47,015 --> 01:38:48,415
Speaker 8: Pretty shorekeepers thing going on.

1796
01:38:48,495 --> 01:38:51,095
Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, that's right. If I talk to the Building

1797
01:38:51,215 --> 01:38:53,415
Speaker 15: Practitioners Board and they say, well, we don't we're not

1798
01:38:53,455 --> 01:38:55,375
Speaker 15: always aware of this, you know. So this is a

1799
01:38:55,415 --> 01:38:57,775
Speaker 15: body that does the disciplinary stuff, but it doesn't get

1800
01:38:57,775 --> 01:39:00,015
Speaker 15: reported to them, and sometimes it doesn't, and it's no

1801
01:39:00,135 --> 01:39:02,975
Speaker 15: requirement for it to be reported. Sure, we're just going

1802
01:39:03,015 --> 01:39:06,135
Speaker 15: to continue to get what we've always had. So that's one.

1803
01:39:06,655 --> 01:39:08,295
Speaker 15: Another thing is to give them the tools that they

1804
01:39:08,335 --> 01:39:13,655
Speaker 15: need in attempts enforcing remedial action, like training orders, which

1805
01:39:13,695 --> 01:39:14,495
Speaker 15: is pretty much.

1806
01:39:15,895 --> 01:39:16,135
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1807
01:39:16,215 --> 01:39:18,975
Speaker 15: So sometimes it might be poor performance, but it might

1808
01:39:19,135 --> 01:39:21,015
Speaker 15: be amount of ethics. It might just simply be that

1809
01:39:21,535 --> 01:39:24,135
Speaker 15: a builder doesn't know what he or she is doing,

1810
01:39:24,295 --> 01:39:26,895
Speaker 15: and it's a hod of, you know, basically getting them

1811
01:39:26,895 --> 01:39:28,975
Speaker 15: to come up to scratch and then they can carry

1812
01:39:29,015 --> 01:39:31,135
Speaker 15: on and everyone will be happy going forward. But she

1813
01:39:31,295 --> 01:39:32,695
Speaker 15: is no diary teeth.

1814
01:39:32,495 --> 01:39:32,855
Speaker 6: At the moment.

1815
01:39:33,455 --> 01:39:39,255
Speaker 15: That so add that to greater disciplinary penalties, which is

1816
01:39:39,295 --> 01:39:41,695
Speaker 15: something we haven't announced, but except to say that we're

1817
01:39:41,695 --> 01:39:43,495
Speaker 15: looking at that as well. Now, I think we start

1818
01:39:43,495 --> 01:39:45,135
Speaker 15: to build up a bit of a picture of how

1819
01:39:45,175 --> 01:39:47,055
Speaker 15: we can have a bit more teeth are for those

1820
01:39:47,095 --> 01:39:50,095
Speaker 15: cowboy builders that are otherwise leaving people very much for

1821
01:39:50,215 --> 01:39:51,175
Speaker 15: rest in some cases.

1822
01:39:52,255 --> 01:39:56,895
Speaker 8: Because surprisingly, given that the Code of Ethics for LBPS

1823
01:39:57,295 --> 01:40:00,215
Speaker 8: has been in place since I think October twenty twenty two,

1824
01:40:01,135 --> 01:40:04,735
Speaker 8: I'm still a little bit surprised more alarmingly the builders

1825
01:40:04,735 --> 01:40:06,775
Speaker 8: that I talk to who don't know about it. And

1826
01:40:06,815 --> 01:40:10,655
Speaker 8: then I'm saying to clients these days, if you're contracting

1827
01:40:10,695 --> 01:40:12,615
Speaker 8: with a builder, you should read it yourself, right. It

1828
01:40:13,095 --> 01:40:15,935
Speaker 8: is actually a really good piece of legislation came in

1829
01:40:15,935 --> 01:40:20,455
Speaker 8: twenty twenty two. Familiarize yourself with it because I suspect

1830
01:40:20,455 --> 01:40:24,735
Speaker 8: that most disputes with LBPS are actually around their practice

1831
01:40:24,855 --> 01:40:26,535
Speaker 8: rather than the actual building.

1832
01:40:27,615 --> 01:40:30,695
Speaker 15: Yes, I'm sure that's true. Yeah, Yeah, that's interesting. I mean,

1833
01:40:30,735 --> 01:40:33,655
Speaker 15: if if you've found a general lack of out there

1834
01:40:33,695 --> 01:40:35,935
Speaker 15: on that, then there'll be a way to be a problem.

1835
01:40:36,015 --> 01:40:38,415
Speaker 15: But if even some of the other trades without getting

1836
01:40:38,415 --> 01:40:40,295
Speaker 15: to them one by one, don't hit that kind of

1837
01:40:40,775 --> 01:40:43,655
Speaker 15: cod of ethics basis as well, and it's a problem

1838
01:40:43,855 --> 01:40:45,895
Speaker 15: if you want to tell someone to count for, you know,

1839
01:40:46,175 --> 01:40:48,535
Speaker 15: practices that might be around lack of communication or handling

1840
01:40:48,575 --> 01:40:52,175
Speaker 15: of money as opposed to the actual building us themselves

1841
01:40:52,455 --> 01:40:55,295
Speaker 15: in for worknership. As you say, I've.

1842
01:40:55,095 --> 01:40:57,135
Speaker 8: Had a number of texts that have complained at the

1843
01:40:57,135 --> 01:40:59,215
Speaker 8: fact that I haven't asked you about granny flats. But

1844
01:40:59,855 --> 01:41:02,535
Speaker 8: what we did decide is that and you are very

1845
01:41:02,535 --> 01:41:05,015
Speaker 8: generous and offering that to come into the studio and

1846
01:41:05,055 --> 01:41:07,335
Speaker 8: do some talk back on this. So we'll pin down

1847
01:41:07,375 --> 01:41:10,175
Speaker 8: a date for that and we'll we'll get you back.

1848
01:41:10,175 --> 01:41:13,535
Speaker 8: And can I also say too, just in that recent announcement,

1849
01:41:13,655 --> 01:41:16,615
Speaker 8: that I think the idea of a waterproofing class for

1850
01:41:16,815 --> 01:41:21,775
Speaker 8: LBPS is good. I think it's been a gap in

1851
01:41:21,815 --> 01:41:24,935
Speaker 8: the system that it seems like now MB's going to

1852
01:41:25,015 --> 01:41:29,455
Speaker 8: plug pardon the pun, about waterproofing for a new waterproofing class.

1853
01:41:29,495 --> 01:41:30,455
Speaker 8: I think that's really good.

1854
01:41:31,775 --> 01:41:33,615
Speaker 15: Yeah, I think let's beck and as you say, we

1855
01:41:33,655 --> 01:41:36,895
Speaker 15: can get into many other areas, but thin Granni flips

1856
01:41:37,095 --> 01:41:39,695
Speaker 15: on a future occasion as time allows. But I'm sending

1857
01:41:39,695 --> 01:41:41,535
Speaker 15: me up to the conversation. But can I just acknowledge

1858
01:41:41,535 --> 01:41:44,935
Speaker 15: the point around the waterproofing cost Actually that specifically came

1859
01:41:44,975 --> 01:41:48,455
Speaker 15: out of the consultation on the Grannie fats you. Yes,

1860
01:41:48,615 --> 01:41:52,615
Speaker 15: clearly level entry showers yep, you know, proven that kind

1861
01:41:52,615 --> 01:41:55,695
Speaker 15: of accommodation, and so we listen to that feedback and thought, well,

1862
01:41:55,735 --> 01:41:58,455
Speaker 15: actually this was probably something more generally across the board

1863
01:41:58,455 --> 01:41:59,335
Speaker 15: that we need to provide for.

1864
01:41:59,735 --> 01:42:02,935
Speaker 8: Okay, Chris, thank you very much for your time this morning.

1865
01:42:03,015 --> 01:42:05,575
Speaker 8: I'll reach out to your people, they'll talk to my people.

1866
01:42:05,655 --> 01:42:07,215
Speaker 8: We'll get a time when you can come into the

1867
01:42:07,215 --> 01:42:10,055
Speaker 8: studio and we'll let loose the telephone lines and you

1868
01:42:10,055 --> 01:42:12,575
Speaker 8: can have a chat with people here at ZB. Appreciate

1869
01:42:12,615 --> 01:42:16,575
Speaker 8: your time this morning. Pleasure take care. Yes. So in

1870
01:42:16,895 --> 01:42:19,455
Speaker 8: answer to the person that goes what's the text peak,

1871
01:42:19,615 --> 01:42:21,695
Speaker 8: very disappointed in you and zb you're talking to Chris

1872
01:42:21,735 --> 01:42:24,615
Speaker 8: Pink immediately after the seventy square meter granny flat announcement

1873
01:42:24,815 --> 01:42:26,975
Speaker 8: and you're not prepared to ask him questions. This has

1874
01:42:27,095 --> 01:42:30,975
Speaker 8: huge implications property owners and the construction industry. Given that

1875
01:42:30,975 --> 01:42:33,175
Speaker 8: there has been announcement, there should also be the ability

1876
01:42:33,175 --> 01:42:35,015
Speaker 8: to tusk it straight away, not in a month's time.

1877
01:42:35,055 --> 01:42:37,455
Speaker 8: Won't be listening to you again, thank you. I would

1878
01:42:37,495 --> 01:42:39,895
Speaker 8: suggest you do listen because the Minister will come in

1879
01:42:40,015 --> 01:42:42,415
Speaker 8: and we'll talk about it in depth. This is what

1880
01:42:42,455 --> 01:42:44,655
Speaker 8: I decided that we would talk about when I reached

1881
01:42:44,655 --> 01:42:46,895
Speaker 8: out to him two weeks ago prior to the announcement

1882
01:42:46,895 --> 01:42:50,255
Speaker 8: on Friday. Righty, oh, let's go into the garden. A

1883
01:42:50,415 --> 01:42:53,855
Speaker 8: red kline past is standing by. I think he's happily

1884
01:42:53,895 --> 01:42:57,255
Speaker 8: at the departure lounge maybe at christ Church Airport. Will

1885
01:42:57,255 --> 01:43:00,735
Speaker 8: reach out to Ridd and we will talk all things

1886
01:43:00,775 --> 01:43:04,615
Speaker 8: gardening and the wonderful world of bugs. And for those

1887
01:43:04,615 --> 01:43:07,575
Speaker 8: people that call in, here's your incentive. We've got a

1888
01:43:07,655 --> 01:43:11,495
Speaker 8: Clark cultivator. You've heard talk about them. I've used them myself.

1889
01:43:11,895 --> 01:43:13,375
Speaker 8: We've got one of those to give away on the

1890
01:43:13,375 --> 01:43:15,655
Speaker 8: show this morning as well. It is eight point thirty

1891
01:43:16,295 --> 01:43:18,015
Speaker 8: good squeaky.

1892
01:43:17,615 --> 01:43:19,295
Speaker 2: Door or squeaky floor.

1893
01:43:19,495 --> 01:43:22,815
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1894
01:43:23,015 --> 01:43:27,335
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1895
01:43:27,375 --> 01:43:30,335
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