1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,120 Speaker 1: Being a Tuesday at the Prime Minister's with us Chrystopher 2 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: luxon Good Morning, How good is Liam Lawson? He was 3 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: absolutely fantastic And you won't have spent some time watching 4 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:10,640 Speaker 1: it because you've got a country to run and I 5 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: just run a breakfast show, so I had more time. 6 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: But what he did was just just exceptional. And do 7 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: you get frustrated because as I watched yet again slavishly 8 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: to your post cabinet press conference, you opened with that 9 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:27,639 Speaker 1: very thought that you know, New Zealand had a fantastic 10 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: sporting weekend. What's the point of doing that given you 11 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 1: know that none of those people sitting in front of 12 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: you deal with any of that and will never ask 13 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: you a question about it ever. 14 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,840 Speaker 2: Well, like I'm also talking through the media to people 15 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 2: across his own so I always think it's a good 16 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 2: chance to acknowledge, you know, what was a great weekend. 17 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 2: And you know that's how I opened this one yesterday. 18 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:49,480 Speaker 2: And we had some good news yesterday around the roads 19 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 2: of national significance. We've actually kicked off one, which is 20 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 2: the Hawks Bay Expressway. 21 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: They didn't ask you about those either, no, but we'll up. 22 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 2: I did that for about twelve to fifteen months sooner. 23 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 2: And that's pretty good progress, I reckon in the first 24 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 2: year to get going with that. So there's a lot 25 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 2: more to do. Obviously there's a big program will work 26 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 2: on roads, but that was the focus. But then obviously 27 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 2: it goes into general topics of the day. 28 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: Right, what did they ask you about? 29 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 2: There was conversations around Andrew Bailey. 30 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: So the conversation is going to be around Andrew Bailey 31 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: just just for my edification, correct me if I'm wrong. 32 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: But the coverage of the story has been convoluted to 33 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: the extent that nobody actually knows what happened. Do you 34 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: know specifically what happened? 35 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 2: Yes, you know. What happened was he visited a business, 36 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 2: he engaged with staff there. He thought he was making 37 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 2: some lighthearted comments and bentter and he clearly got it 38 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 2: very very wrong and unintentionally made someone feel pretty hurt 39 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 2: and insulted. And so as a consequence, you know, he's 40 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 2: a knowledge that he got that wrong. He feels quite 41 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 2: mortified about that, quite rightly. So he's apologized most importantly 42 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 2: to the complainant, but also to me and then assured 43 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 2: me that that's the behavior that happened. Again, because frankly, 44 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 2: that fell short of the centers I expect from my minister's. 45 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: Did he know the person? 46 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 2: No, not that I'm aware of. No, he was just 47 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 2: visiting a business. 48 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: Which to my I assumed he knew somebody, because I 49 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: cannot fathom in my mind if I'd known. Oh good, 50 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 1: up there, Chris, how are you? Yeah? I haven't seen 51 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: you for five years? What are you still doing here? Mate? 52 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: Oh god, what a loser? Are you still working here? 53 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: Et cetera. I get that, not just make it right, 54 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: but I get it. How do you explain a minister 55 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,119 Speaker 1: of the crown going up to a person that he's 56 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:35,119 Speaker 1: literally never met in his life in going why don't 57 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: you get some wine and f off you lose? How 58 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: does that evolt? 59 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 2: I mean, he got it very very wrong. I mean 60 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 2: there's you know, you can sort of dispute stories on 61 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 2: both sides as to what exactly was said or wasn't said, 62 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 2: but the bottom line is from his perspective, he owns 63 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 2: it completely and that's why you saw him front it 64 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 2: very strongly on all Well. I mean again, no I can't. 65 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 2: I mean that's why I said to him. It's pretty 66 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 2: disappointing because it's very disappointing because they aren't the standards 67 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 2: or the language or the behavior that I would expect 68 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 2: to my minister as you hold the position twenty four 69 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 2: to seven, as I've said to the cabinet from day one, 70 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 2: and the reality is, you know, he caused hurt an 71 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 2: insult to somebody. He's acknowledged that. You know, he has apologized, 72 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 2: it's genuine. He's reached out I think twice, he's offered 73 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 2: to meet with the individual if that helps. It's ultimately 74 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 2: up to them as to whether they do or don't 75 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 2: want to do that. And most importantly, to assure me 76 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 2: it won't happen again. 77 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: Is there something underhand in the bloke or the company 78 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: alerting all of the political parties. 79 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 2: Well, look, I mean the bottom line is, you know, 80 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 2: he's got to own it in front it because regardless 81 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 2: of what people think about the actual circumstances, the reality 82 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 2: is he caused hurt an insult, and he acknowledges that. 83 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 2: As soon as it was raised with him, he wrote 84 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 2: immediately to apologize an individual. He's apologized again. He's offered 85 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 2: to reach out, talk on phone, go meet in person, 86 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 2: do whatever's needed. And he genuinely. You know, it feels 87 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 2: like he was he was trying to engage in some 88 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 2: light handed, lighthearted banter, which. 89 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: I just don't see that if he had known him, 90 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 1: he got us so so wrong. If he had known him, 91 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: if he had met him, if he had some connection 92 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: with the company, I'll take there's no connection with the 93 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: company either, not that I'm aware of it. So it's 94 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 1: just just a random minister turns up and tell somebody 95 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: to off go home, grab some wine, and what I'll lose. 96 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: I just it's totally totally got it wrong. 97 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 2: Yep, totally got it wrong. And you really understands that, 98 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,239 Speaker 2: which is important for me, but again cannot happen again. 99 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 1: Okay, have you seen the advice that Sam has seen 100 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: on Wellington. 101 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 2: I haven't seen the advice, but we're in conversation about that. 102 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 2: He will, he will obviously work his way through that 103 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 2: and come to a decision shortly. 104 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: Has he told you what the advice is? Roughly? 105 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 2: Well, I mean again, it's sort of obvious to us 106 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 2: that there's some dysfunction going on on the council. There's 107 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 2: obviously been a big gap with respect to the long 108 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 2: term plan, and frankly, when I've looked at the balance 109 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 2: sheets and the financials. You know that, you know, there's 110 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 2: there's there's a balance sheet there that should be managed 111 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 2: in a much better way. So those have been at 112 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 2: concerns coming through this process. He's taken advice on it. 113 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 2: He's he's considering that right now. It's important he gets 114 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 2: it right. But he'll have more right, I'm sure, surely. Well, 115 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 2: I mean he's got to make sure that he's actually 116 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 2: you know that there's a basis if he's going to 117 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 2: make an intervention that that's you know. 118 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: Well, the basis is what you've so clearly and publicly 119 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: stated over the last couple of weeks, you willis something 120 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: wrong with the council. 121 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's why that's not exactly why we are 122 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 2: where we are today, because he's asked for further advice 123 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 2: on that what sort of what's As a minister of 124 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 2: local government, he has a series of powers and he 125 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 2: just wants to make sure that he understands. 126 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 1: Those powers well before he pulls the trigger. 127 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, but before he makes a decision on one way or. 128 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: The other, Well he pulls the trigger and makes the decision, 129 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 1: or has he already made his decision. 130 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 2: Well, he'll heaven what to say about that shortly. 131 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: I just can't work out why it's so complicated. A 132 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: government can't go round threatening councils without actually following through 133 00:05:58,800 --> 00:05:59,359 Speaker 1: with the threat. 134 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 2: Well, I think we've raised our concerns pretty consistently and clearly, 135 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 2: not that long ago. He's got to make sure he 136 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 2: follows proper process so that he does that well and right. 137 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 2: And he's got to take that advice and consider a 138 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 2: few things. 139 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: And so. 140 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 2: I've rest assured he'll be moving quickly through it and 141 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 2: he'll have something to say shortly. But for now he's 142 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 2: still considering that advice. 143 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 1: Who got did you go and told her to fall 144 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: on a sword? 145 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 2: Sorry, say that again? 146 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: Who got to the Solicitor General and told her to 147 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 1: fall on his sword? Well? 148 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 2: Look, I mean we welcome her independent decision to withdraw 149 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 2: and further review those prosecution guidelines. 150 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: I mean, have you got that written down in front 151 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: of you. That's what I've said. Who got to us? 152 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 1: You shouldn't wake up one morning and change your mind? 153 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: Who got to it? 154 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 2: Well, I mean that the Journey General made it very 155 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 2: clear that we expect all New Zealanders to be treated 156 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 2: equally under the law. The law should be colorblind, and 157 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 2: she articulated that to this list of general and you 158 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 2: know that's a core principle of law in New Zealand. 159 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 2: So it's good to see that she's come to a decision, 160 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 2: which is she's withdrawing that guidelines and she'll have another 161 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 2: go at it. 162 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:04,359 Speaker 1: So the AG you can get to the SG. Is 163 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 1: the SG actually independent. 164 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 2: Well, I mean the AG this she is appointed by 165 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 2: the AG. And it's actually important that you know, she 166 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 2: made it very clear to her that, you know, we 167 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 2: expect all these Islanders to be treated equally under the law. 168 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 2: That's that's exactly how it is. You should be held 169 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 2: to account for your actions, regardless of what your background is. 170 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 2: And so it's a core principle of the law. It's 171 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 2: a core principle of our government obviously, and I suspect 172 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 2: all governments. And so she got this one wrong, and 173 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 2: quite rightly, I think has made the right decision to 174 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 2: withdraw it and to resubmit it. Ultimately. 175 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: We had Chris Finlayson on earlier on in the program. 176 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: He said you should sack the people at her motel. 177 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: This group doing nothing earning half a million dollars are 178 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: you going to sack them. 179 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 2: Well, I know Tama Potaka had some remarks about that 180 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 2: over the last twenty four hours and he's looking into 181 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 2: that very carefully because clearly it's taken. 182 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: He's getting the same advice getting before he says anything. 183 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 2: Now, we're just important that we make sure that we 184 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 2: take the advice and then ministers will make decisions. And 185 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 2: you know the ministers have strong views on things wheres 186 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,239 Speaker 2: they should do, they can take advice. There's a range 187 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 2: of advice and we don't always take it, and it's 188 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 2: just important that we get all the process clean and 189 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 2: sorted and quickly delivered in the background. But you know, 190 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 2: as you've heard Thomas say, he's got concerns given the length, 191 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 2: the time it has, the amount of money that's been 192 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 2: spent in the absence of a result. 193 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: Can I take from your comments yesterday is there a 194 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: game being played between you and Grant Dalton that he 195 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: can ring you, but you ring him and if it's 196 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: not you, it's Chris Buship, but Chris Buship can't ring him. 197 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: And who's ringing Hord? Does anybody ring an anybody? 198 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 2: Well, we're very happy just to engage in a conversation 199 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 2: it's not about who sends what and who does what 200 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 2: to who. I guess the thing is ultimately just recognizing, 201 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 2: look is the team New Zealand's decision. We are very 202 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 2: open to a conversation and having that conversation. I do 203 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 2: want to stay upfront, as you well understand it. It's 204 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 2: difficult economic times, you know. I think last time, Mike, 205 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 2: it was one hundred million dollars the government almost put 206 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:58,079 Speaker 2: forward as an offer. We've got a lot of priorities, 207 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 2: you know when you're looking at hospital, schools, roads other 208 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 2: things that we're in hell of a mess. We've got 209 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 2: to sort some things out. So but what I do 210 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 2: want to be is really clear in that conversation, which 211 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 2: is let's have the conversation, but let's get clarity up front. 212 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: And then let's not course one hundred million look. 213 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 2: At SHA experiences. Oh look, I think I think the 214 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 2: New Zealand public would find that quite challenging, to be honest, 215 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 2: you know, I think and I don't know what that 216 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 2: cap would be, and I really want to understand what 217 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,079 Speaker 2: they would be thinking and happy to engage that conversation. 218 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:26,199 Speaker 1: So so if it's more than one hundred million, forget it. 219 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: If it's less than one hundred million, we could do 220 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: some business pop mo. You could see last you could 221 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: see last time. 222 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 2: As I owner said, it got to ninety nine million 223 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 2: dollars from memory and it was all you know, that 224 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 2: was the government obviously massively stretched at that point in time. 225 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 2: What I just say to you are worse. Nations are 226 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 2: even worse, and it's incredibly challenging. And the reality is, 227 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 2: I think the New Zealand public, if you say to them, 228 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 2: do you want a hundred million dollars spent doing this 229 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 2: or do you want a hundred million dollars spent doing 230 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:52,959 Speaker 2: something that improves education or healthcare law in order, that's 231 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 2: probably where they'd be at the moment, quite rightly. So yeah, 232 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 2: I just in fairness, but I also don't want to know. 233 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 2: I've watched and you would have watched it. Over the years, 234 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 2: there's just been these ongoing negotiation experiences that I think 235 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 2: I don't want to repeat. Let's just get clarity upfront, 236 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 2: so everyone's got clarity and can move on one way 237 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 2: or the other. 238 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: Did those punks on the roof worry, get some chicken 239 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: and some car. 240 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 2: No, we've got six still up there. I think thirteen 241 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 2: went up there late last night. Six are up there 242 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 2: as I came to onto your call, and you know, 243 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 2: we've got police and OT doing a good job actually 244 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 2: talking them down. But no, they're not coming down for KFC, 245 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:31,319 Speaker 2: but they you know, these are some of our most 246 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 2: serious and high core young offenders. You know, what I 247 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 2: just say is what's interesting, Mike is there was fifteen 248 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 2: rooftop instances last year in twenty twenty three. This is 249 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 2: the first we've had this year. We've got more work 250 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 2: to do on hardening the infrastructure post the Mike Bush report, 251 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 2: but the Minister and the team are working through that. 252 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 2: So yeah, the key thing is let's get these kids 253 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,439 Speaker 2: down safely and then move forward. 254 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: Appreciate your time, Primate as Chryso blaccent. 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