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Speaker 1: A, questions, answers, facts analysis, The Drive show you trust

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Speaker 1: for the full picture. Heather Duplicy, elan drive with one

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Speaker 1: New Zealand let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 2: That'd be.

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Speaker 3: Hey get afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today,

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Speaker 3: the Minister's going to explain why he's letting reputable builders

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Speaker 3: sign off on their own work. Also, apparently a couple

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Speaker 3: of our firefighters got stuck in a broken truck above

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Speaker 3: that big Auckland fire on Thursday. We're going to find

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Speaker 3: out from the union what went wrong. And is it

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Speaker 3: okay that councils come after unpaid rates through your mortgage?

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Speaker 3: Heather Duplicy, Ellen, Look, maybe I'm being naive, but I'm

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Speaker 3: not that stressed at the news that three people were

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Speaker 3: allowed to start police college without passing the fitness.

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Speaker 2: Test, will you.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it seems to me more important to just

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Speaker 3: and providing a reassuring presence than it is to be

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Speaker 3: absolutely sure that they can do a vertical jump and

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Speaker 3: run two and a half k's and twelve o minutes.

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Speaker 3: Because I don't know when was the last time you

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Speaker 3: saw Bobby sprinting two k's down the road and jumping

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Speaker 3: over a wall to catch somebody, right, doesn't seem like

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Speaker 3: it's all that frequently happening in modern policing, certainly in cities.

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Speaker 3: But it doesn't mean we haven't got a problem. We've

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Speaker 3: got a problem here. The problem is that the government

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Speaker 3: is still pretending that it can pump out five hundred

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Speaker 3: new police officers by November twenty seven. That's not going

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Speaker 3: be able to meet that target. They've bumped up the

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Speaker 3: from eighty to one hundred, the opening a new college

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Speaker 3: in Auckland sometime this year. They're now suspected of having

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Speaker 3: waived in three unfit coppers just to make up the numbers.

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Speaker 3: But we know that five hundred coppers by November twenty

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Speaker 3: seven is not going to happen because we've had a

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Speaker 3: The officials have warned the government in the briefing papers

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Speaker 3: midway through next year. And Mark Mitchell admitted last year

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Speaker 3: that they weren't going to be able to do it,

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Speaker 3: and then he got told off by Winston. So now

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Speaker 3: he's gone back. He's gone back to pretending that he

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Speaker 3: That's a clue in and of itself. Look, I think

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Speaker 3: surely it's better to be honest now and say you're

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Speaker 3: which is inevitably going to happen. And surely it's worse

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Speaker 3: for the police to be busted doing this waiving three

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Speaker 3: being busted doing it is not a good look. And

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Speaker 2: Together do for Cel nine nine two is.

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Speaker 3: The text number. Standard text fees apply now, Dunedin, so

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Speaker 3: Dunedin's City Council is planning to not reverse the speed

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Speaker 3: a Wednesday's council meeting will recommend all but one Dunedin

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Speaker 3: Infrastructure Committee for Dunedin Council. Jim Higher, Hello, how are you?

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Speaker 4: Jim?

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Speaker 3: Very well?

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Speaker 5: Thank you?

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Speaker 3: Why are you're not doing it?

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Speaker 2: Really?

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Speaker 3: So what is it that you've got so tell me?

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Speaker 3: If I'm right here, Jim. But my understanding is that

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Speaker 3: the current government wants you guys to go to variable

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and also raising speed limits in other parts of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, okay, so what's wrong with variable speed limits?

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Speaker 6: Let's say, well, it's not so much refusing as we

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Speaker 3: But it's pretty clear what the government wants you to do,

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Speaker 6: Well, it was clear what the previous minister wanted to do.

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Speaker 6: I don't think the current minister is particularly interested in

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Speaker 6: are you talking about doing this? I mean most councils

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Speaker 3: Are you talking about the difference between Simmy and Brown

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: So in your opinion, Simeon was clear that he wanted

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Speaker 6: It doesn't seem like as as high priori as I mean,

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Speaker 3: Okay, but doesn't the previous minister's directive stand until the

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah it does.

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Speaker 6: And the rule was the rule was issued. And when

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Speaker 6: instruct the way maybe the minister had intended. But that's

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Speaker 3: But then, Jim, you guys are playing silly buggers, aren't you,

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Speaker 6: Well, I don't move by silly buggers, because I mean,

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Speaker 6: it'll be four million dollars to do those reversals, and

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Speaker 6: then when Labor give up, it gets back in and

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Speaker 6: After the long term interest of the right pass any else.

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Speaker 3: The next Labor government is going to be as nutty

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Speaker 6: These these are not unpopular changes in the community. They're

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Speaker 3: Now that's a fair point.

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Speaker 6: Maybe you're actually crossing asking a very important line here,

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Speaker 6: which is when does local government have authority and when

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Speaker 3: And you've got a fair point there. So if to

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Speaker 3: Are you sure though, that your community wants it? Because

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, I was. I cheered those consultation committees

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Speaker 6: when you're bringing the entrance screen limits. With the reviews

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Speaker 6: the government asked, but we're actually getting the opposite. We're

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Speaker 6: the new speed limit rules. So actually, if anything, the

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Speaker 3: Okay, Jimson, thank you. I really appreciate you taking the

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Speaker 3: time to think us through it. That's Jim and Maalley,

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Speaker 3: Dunedin City Council, Council in the chair of the Infrastructure Committee.

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Speaker 3: I want higher limits, Jim say somebody and and Eden

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Speaker 3: when I come back to Jim, Jim is my favorite

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Speaker 3: thing that's happened to me all day. It's eighteen past four.

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Speaker 3: Jason pine Though sports talk host with us right now.

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Speaker 3: Hey Piney, Hello, Heather now Piney Wow Auckland FC. Okay,

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Speaker 3: but how like what is it that these guys do, Like,

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Speaker 3: what is it that Foley is doing that makes all

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Speaker 3: of his squads so successful.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, what a great question, and I'm not sure I

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Speaker 7: have a succinct answer. It's probably a few things. I

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Speaker 7: think the recruitment of this team was exceptional. The players

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Speaker 7: that were assembled at the start of the season were,

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Speaker 7: you know, without exception, really excellent acquisitions. But then you've

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Speaker 7: got to put them together and they've got to create

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Speaker 7: something together which is going to be successful on the field.

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Speaker 7: They've clearly done that. And you know, the secret source,

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Speaker 7: I think is just probably the togetherness of a bunch

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Speaker 7: of players who are already good footballers and who had

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Speaker 7: a desire from the start to show everybody how good

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Speaker 7: they got together at the start of the season. I didn't.

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Speaker 7: I thought they'd be competitive, I had. I didn't have

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Speaker 7: to win the Premieres plate and be favorites for the

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Speaker 7: Grand Finals. So, yeah, what a triumph in their first season.

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Speaker 3: But Piney, if all it is is finding good players

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Speaker 8: That'd be cheers.

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Speaker 3: We love Jim a we love Jim. Look, I'm going

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Speaker 3: Do you really think Dunedin would do anything this government wanted? Heather.

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Speaker 6: The rule was issued and when we've looked at the

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's the most bratty thing out is like

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Speaker 1: Next, recapping the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with one New Zealand let's

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Speaker 2: Sa'd be.

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Speaker 3: Right after by pot We're going to chat Chris Pink,

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Speaker 3: who is the Building Minister. He's given permission to certain builders,

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on news talks. They'd be drive well.

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Speaker 3: It looks like eleven people have been killed in that

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Speaker 3: car ramming attack in Vancouver. The suspect is in custody

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Speaker 10: There's a lot of herd that there's a lot of

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Speaker 3: Over in Australia, the latest pole from News poll has

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Speaker 8: because it's hard to find them at the moment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're looking at it. I reckon, you're looking at

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Speaker 2: ape plus.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, there's for sunny corying twelve.

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Speaker 8: Eggs from Wallies. They eight dollars.

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Speaker 3: Eighty from Cols, slightly cheaper at about eight dollars fifty.

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Speaker 3: Olli Pedterson on that shortly and finally. A Connecticut family's

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Speaker 3: backyard playcet has proven surprisingly popular with some local wildlife.

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Speaker 3: A bear has been caught on video climbing up the

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Speaker 3: ladder and going down the slide. The homeowner says it's

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Speaker 3: not unusual to see the bears around the neighborhood, and

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Speaker 3: she thinks the bear looks so comfortable on the slide.

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Speaker 3: That's probably not the first time that he's done this.

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Speaker 1: International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of Mind

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Speaker 1: for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 3: Olli Peterson six pr per Live Presenters with Us a

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Speaker 3: Ollie Hey Heather So looks like a hung parliament, doesn't.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, it does.

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Speaker 14: And as you just play in the world wise, the

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Speaker 14: clip of what's the price of a dozen eggs is

456
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Speaker 14: about as interesting as our election campaign is. To be

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Speaker 14: perfectly blunt with you, I think we're sick of it.

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Speaker 1: It on.

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Speaker 13: They've had for debates, but fifty two to forty eight

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Speaker 13: is what.

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Speaker 14: The latest news poll released in The Australian Today shows

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Speaker 14: when it comes to the two party preferred question between

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Speaker 14: the Labor Party and the Coalition. That hasn't really shifted

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Speaker 14: in the last couple of weeks. And I think that

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Speaker 14: you started to see the Liberal Party in particular throw

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Speaker 14: the kitchen sink it trying to see if any mud

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Speaker 14: will stick, because that primary vote of Peter Dutton's and

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Speaker 14: the Liberal Party has plummeted from forty percent back in

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Speaker 14: November to now thirty five percent, so the same level

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Speaker 14: it was back in twenty twenty two. This is all

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Speaker 14: pointing two. As you said, they're header, they hung parliament.

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Speaker 14: So Anthony ALBINIZI if he used to win the election

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Speaker 14: on Saturday night, they need to negotiate with the cross bench,

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Speaker 14: particularly the Teals and the Greens to.

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Speaker 13: Manage supply and I don't know. I hate the idea

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Speaker 13: of hung parliaments. We went through it with Tony Wins.

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Speaker 14: And Rob Oakshot and the Gillard years and I don't

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Speaker 14: want to do that again.

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Speaker 13: Just just get on with it, please.

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Speaker 3: What's the problem with the welcome to country ceremonies.

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Speaker 14: Well, Peter Dutton has indicated off the back of the

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Speaker 14: Antac Day commemoration ceremonies where the commemorations in both Melbourne

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Speaker 14: and Perth at the dawn service were I only to

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Speaker 14: say ruined this too strong a word, but we're interrupted

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Speaker 14: by people indicating they didn't like the welcome to Country ceremonies.

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Speaker 14: Peter Dutton's jumped onto that and indicated that it is

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Speaker 14: just being overdone at the moment.

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Speaker 13: He would like to see it only reserved for major events.

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Speaker 14: He's had a crack at Quantas as example, because when

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Speaker 14: your land are somewhere in Australia, they will acknowledge the

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Speaker 14: local people of the local tribe, and says that's overdone.

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Speaker 14: I think he's getting a bit of mileage out of

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Speaker 14: this one, though, Heather, because it does and it has

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Speaker 14: started to feel a bit token istick in this country.

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Speaker 14: A lot of these welcomed to country ceremonies, and look,

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Speaker 14: when they're done well and they're done powerfully, they're outstanding.

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Speaker 14: But when they are just done because you have to

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Speaker 14: basically tick a box, you think, well, why are we

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Speaker 14: doing it? And I think that's some of the sentiment

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Speaker 14: that came out of ANZAC Day that a lot of

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Speaker 14: veterans in particular find it quite difficult to comprehend that

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Speaker 14: they're being welcome to the country that they fought to

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Speaker 14: help save during the wars.

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Speaker 13: So look this one again. As I said, they're throwing

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Speaker 13: the kitchen sink it everything at.

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Speaker 14: The moment to try and wrestle a few votes back

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Speaker 14: from those outlier parties.

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Speaker 13: This is one that's getting a lot of attraction in

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Speaker 13: Australia today.

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Speaker 3: Do you think, though, that it's enough? I mean, because

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Speaker 3: generally it's accepted wisdom that what we vote about is

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Speaker 3: the economy and how we're feeling, and we've got enough

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Speaker 3: money in our pockets. So is something like this enough

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Speaker 3: to switch things around?

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Speaker 15: I don't think so.

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Speaker 14: But I think he's probably trying to capitalize off the

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Speaker 14: back of the no vote to the Voice referendum, and

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Speaker 14: he's feeling like he's trying to link those issues and

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Speaker 14: knows the sentiment wasn't there for that only a matter

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Speaker 14: of months ago.

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Speaker 13: Really, it feels like though it was almost two years.

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Speaker 14: He's looking that he can perhaps leverage that sentiment in

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Speaker 14: Australia into people deciding that they might not give a

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Speaker 14: vote to the Labour Party this Saturday, because that primary

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Speaker 14: vote again for both major parties, though that is very low.

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Speaker 14: You know, they're both in the thirty percent mark, although

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Speaker 14: if the Greens vote it helps obviously the Labour Party.

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Speaker 13: The Libs are the ones who are particularly worry But

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Speaker 13: I agree with you. I don't think this is going to.

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Speaker 14: Be somebody's major issue when they go to the ballot

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Speaker 14: box on Saturday.

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Speaker 3: Now, what is going on? There is a situation where

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Speaker 3: a guy keeps on coming onto a family's property to

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Speaker 3: swim in the pool. Who is this guy?

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Speaker 14: They don't know, but he's done it five times since

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Speaker 14: January and he's got a routine.

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Speaker 13: So he goes to the Stephens home. He's obviously scoping

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Speaker 13: it out, knows they're not home.

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Speaker 14: He leaves his shoes at the front door, goes around

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Speaker 14: to the back of the house and jumps in the pool,

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Speaker 14: they reckon. He's sweaty when he arrives, so he's probably

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Speaker 14: been for a bit of a run and he just goes, well,

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Speaker 14: he know it's home.

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Speaker 13: He's going to jump in and just have a bit.

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Speaker 3: Of a no fence or gate.

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Speaker 13: Well, there's a fence in the gate.

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Speaker 14: There's obviously security camera now too, because they've released the

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Speaker 14: vision to say, anybody know.

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Speaker 13: Who the rogue swimmer is?

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Speaker 2: Like, this is just this is.

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Speaker 14: So Queensland that they're weird up there. They're so weird

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Speaker 14: the Queenslanders. Like, it doesn't really surprise me.

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Speaker 3: That is pretty weird. Are you telling me that he is.

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Speaker 3: So he's leaving his shoes and he is scaling some

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Speaker 3: sort of a barrier.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 3: So he must know, like he knows they've got a pool.

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Speaker 13: Well that he knows I've got a pool.

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Speaker 14: And as the homeowners have said, the Stephens family, it's

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Speaker 14: just really creepy and weird because he clearly knows they're

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Speaker 14: not home.

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Speaker 13: He's been scoping out the property.

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Speaker 14: They wonder if he's going for a swim as a

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Speaker 14: bit of a reconnaissance to maybe come in and you

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Speaker 14: steal a few items from the house. So the cops

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Speaker 14: they're into it now, they're investigating the incident. He could

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Speaker 14: be charge of trespassing and even more if they catch

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Speaker 14: him in there, they find him in the pool when

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Speaker 14: they arrive, he could be in strife. But I reckon,

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Speaker 14: after he's probably seen himself on the television news services

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Speaker 14: last night.

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Speaker 13: I reckon he's going to be finding a new pool.

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Speaker 3: Yeah maybe, Ollie, thank you, thanks for giving us some

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Speaker 3: context so we can understand they're just weird. That's Oliver Peterson,

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Speaker 3: six PM Perth Life presenter. Imagine that that happened to you. Hey, Okay,

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Speaker 3: a weird thing happened. We were talking on Thursday night

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Speaker 3: before we all went to wait for the long weekend

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Speaker 3: about this fire that was going on in Auckland, right,

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Speaker 3: it was a reasonably significant fire. Well, now it turns

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Speaker 3: out it wasn't just the fact that it was a

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Speaker 3: fire which has been devastating for the local community, but

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Speaker 3: as well as that, firefighters ran into some trouble because

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Speaker 3: these guys, a couple of the guys were up on

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Speaker 3: one of those long ladders and they were right up

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Speaker 3: there above the fire and they're like, right, it's getting hot.

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Speaker 3: Time to leave. Trucks broken, can't move, stuck. So it

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Speaker 3: was so hot that apparently one of them took their

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Speaker 3: gloves off in order to do something and had to

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Speaker 3: put the glove right back on again because the hand

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Speaker 3: was starting to get burnt. Anyway, fortunately they had a

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Speaker 3: second truck there that was able to come and fortunately

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Speaker 3: that ladder could go high enough to get those dudes down,

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Speaker 3: and they got them down. But the problem with us

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Speaker 3: is we have been warned for years now since the

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Speaker 3: sky City fire that these trucks are breaking down and

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Speaker 3: they are not fit for purpose, and blah blah blah.

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Speaker 3: So we and what's that six years ago? And apparently

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Speaker 3: they had some sort of a strategy that they're supposed

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Speaker 3: to be working on to see what they're going to

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Speaker 3: do about these trucks, and that strategy has been in

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Speaker 3: draft form for five years now. I don't know about you,

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Speaker 3: but if somebody in my team had something in draft

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Speaker 3: form for five years, they'd be out the door, do

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Anyway, we're going to talk

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Speaker 3: to the union about at ten past five. They can

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Speaker 3: explain that situation. Politics is next quarter too.

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Speaker 1: For politics with centrics, credit check your customers and get

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Speaker 1: payments certainty.

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Speaker 3: Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editors of US. Hey, Thomas, Hey,

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Speaker 3: I see that the both coalition partners have come out

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Speaker 3: against this co governance situation and why target ranges yet?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this is very interesting. I think it's sort of

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Speaker 5: blew onto the public consciousness on your show actually, and

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Speaker 5: it's Shane Jones has really really ended up this morning

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Speaker 5: saying that he actually thinks this is co covenance and

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Speaker 5: he thinks it's a breach of the Coalition agreement because

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Speaker 5: obviously the Coalition Agreement is pretty clear that there are

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Speaker 5: there is to be no co governance of public services

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Speaker 5: and David Seymour has effectively in broad terms back there.

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Speaker 5: So it really puts the ball in National's court. We

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Speaker 5: haven't actually heard a lot from National at the moment.

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Speaker 5: We're going to probably hear a bit more this week

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Speaker 5: from them.

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Speaker 2: Well you hear a.

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Speaker 3: Bit more at six o'clock because Nichola has gone away

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Speaker 3: to find out some information for us.

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Speaker 5: Oh yes, why I heard last week when she was

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Speaker 5: on your show, she didn't seem to be aware of

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Speaker 5: it at all, So she suddenly she suddenly had plenty

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Speaker 5: of time to scrub up on it. So so, I

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Speaker 5: mean it will be really interesting to see where they

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Speaker 5: where they come at it from. Interesting too that the

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Speaker 5: Council doesn't sort of see it as a co govenance arrangement.

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Speaker 5: They see it as dating back to this two thousand

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Speaker 5: and eight deed, but certainly nationally to pretty clear that

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Speaker 5: they actually do they do see there's co governance and therefore,

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Speaker 5: and what Shane Jones is saying is that it would

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Speaker 5: be a breach of the Coalition agreement, which is very

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Speaker 5: very serious.

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Speaker 3: Indeed, is it possible for central government to stop local

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Speaker 3: government from doing this?

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Speaker 5: I mean that is the I think because the deed

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Speaker 5: itself as a legislative instrument, it might actually require it.

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Speaker 5: I mean, central government can ultimately do anything, but it

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Speaker 5: would require potentially a parliamentary intervention, which you know that

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Speaker 5: that that could that could be done. But of course

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Speaker 5: that that opens up a whole lot of other controver

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Speaker 5: controversies because then you'd you'd effectively have central government legislating

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Speaker 5: over the top of something that local government wants to do,

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Speaker 5: which does happen all the time. But but but neither

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Speaker 5: a good lock could become an issue in the election

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Speaker 5: this year so so certainly I think this has got

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Speaker 5: this has got legs the story.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Now, now I'm interested in the fact that Shane

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Speaker 3: Jones opposes it, but is only prepared to take a

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Speaker 3: member's bill to Parliament. So I mean if he I mean,

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Speaker 3: if they really oppose it, they are government, they can

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Speaker 3: stop it, right. Why are they doing all this members

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Speaker 3: bill stuff? Is this stuff? Is Is this preparing for

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty six?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 15: There is.

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Speaker 5: I think you have hit upon something there with that's

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Speaker 5: just seen. You know that several members bills come through

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Speaker 5: in the last few weeks from New Zealand first, and

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Speaker 5: I think Actor is getting on and on the game

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Speaker 5: as well. It's sort of it's almost like legislative virtue signaling.

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Speaker 5: I think they're using members bills to make a point

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Speaker 5: and differentiate themselves. I think if you could, there could

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Speaker 5: be a case through a government bill, but then they'd

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Speaker 5: have to put that through the Cabinet committee that have

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Speaker 5: to go through cabinet, get government support for that that.

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Speaker 5: You know, you couldn't rule that out from happening in

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Speaker 5: this case. I'm not sure what the National Party thinks,

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Speaker 5: but perhaps they could be persuaded. Yeah, and the other

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Speaker 5: issue is, of course, you know, to go back to

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Speaker 5: the Coalition agreement. Those these three parties view the coalition

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Speaker 5: agreement as sort of sacred and if one party thinks,

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Speaker 5: and potentially two parties think that it's a breach of

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Speaker 5: that coalition agreement, then that's a very serious issue.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, true too, right, Hey, listen, David Seymour, I see

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Speaker 3: he's rejected this advice from his Ministry for Regulation and

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Speaker 3: on the Bank's requirement with capital requirement rules. What do

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Speaker 3: you make of this?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, like a quick bit bit of background. The Reserve

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Speaker 5: Bank has asked will force the trading banks to hold

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Speaker 5: more capital relative to the lending that they do. What

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Speaker 5: that means for you and me is that it means

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Speaker 5: more expensive loans, less less ability to borrow money, and

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Speaker 5: ultimately it means the economy grows slower than it would

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Speaker 5: have otherwise done, which is not ideal. David Seymore, the

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Speaker 5: act parties always, they've always opposed these rules. National doesn't

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Speaker 5: like them either. Interestingly enough, though, David Seamore asks REGs

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Speaker 5: Ministry to have a look at them, and the Regulations

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Speaker 5: Ministry said, well, the rules are actually not out of

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Speaker 5: line with what other country's rules are. David Seymour actually

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Speaker 5: thinks that the REGs Ministry is wrong in that case.

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Speaker 5: He's cited some other advice he received from them, that's

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Speaker 5: sorry in the public domain from PwC and the Banker's Association.

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Speaker 5: Dead advice says that actually our rules are twice as

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Speaker 5: onerous as the rules and some other parts of the world,

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Speaker 5: mainly Europe, and therefore they are they are as an

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Speaker 5: unfair in position on our economy. So so you know, essentially

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Speaker 5: he sided with he sided with the banks against his

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Speaker 5: own ministry. It doesn't really matter now at the moment.

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Speaker 5: It's sort of the issue is kind of dormant because

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Speaker 5: the Reserve bankers said that they're going to have a

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Speaker 5: look at the rules anyway, and potentially I would imagine

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Speaker 5: the rules will be weakened to be a bit more

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Speaker 5: pro lending, proeconomic growth. But certainly if the bank decides

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Speaker 5: to stick with the rules, then I would imagine that

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Speaker 5: this issue will bubble to the front burner again.

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Speaker 3: Yeap too, right, Hey, thanks very much. Thomas has always appreciated.

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Speaker 3: That's Thomas Coglin, the Herald's political editor. It's eight away

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Speaker 3: from five, putting the.

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Speaker 1: Tough questions to the newspeakers the mic asking Breakfast.

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Speaker 7: Christopher Luxen is, well, this ACC and ACT and Mary procurement.

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Speaker 2: Are you up on this or sorry?

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Speaker 16: I haven't been briefed on the ACC is se so

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Speaker 16: on the surface ACT to claiming that ACC is still

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Speaker 16: trying to procure services based on waste and there's this

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Speaker 16: cabinet piece of paper that says you can't do that.

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Speaker 2: So ACT right, Well, we've.

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Speaker 16: Got a circular that's about making sure public service is

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Speaker 16: delivered on the basis of need ACC have obviously, so

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Speaker 16: you got to procurement exercise up and running. The Minister

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Speaker 16: Scott Simpson, as I understand, it was quite comfortable in

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Speaker 16: the first instance. Obviously it's an operational decision for them,

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Speaker 16: but he's and now asked them to go back and

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Speaker 16: reassure themselves and him that that's been handled well.

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Speaker 3: Back tomorrow at six am the mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 3: Maybe's Real Estate News Talk ZB Heather, we live in

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Speaker 3: Auckland and we used to have a house in Arrowtown

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Speaker 3: and someone was using our house when we weren't there

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Speaker 3: spa pool, drinking our booze, even storing their meat in

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Speaker 3: our freezer. There are definitely some creeps out there. How

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Speaker 3: weird is that on the co governance heather elected Parliament

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Speaker 3: is the ultimate authority over the country. That's right, Bob, absolutely,

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Speaker 3: But as you can well, as you can imagine, things

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Speaker 3: are not that simple, right. I mean, it is obviously

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Speaker 3: that simple for New Zealand First, and it is that

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Speaker 3: simple for the ACT Party, but their New Zealand First

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Speaker 3: and the ACT Party are very much playing to as

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Speaker 3: much smaller voter base, who in both cases know their minds.

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Speaker 3: National Party has a bit of a problem here right

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Speaker 3: because they want to they are a bit broader church.

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Speaker 3: They don't want to make people have the eck. If

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Speaker 3: they're legislating against co governance, then you know, like it

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Speaker 3: confuses people. Why don't you like the Treaty Principal's Bill,

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Speaker 3: but then you don't like co governance? Aren't you a

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Speaker 3: bunch of racists? Anyway? You know, like that that kind

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Speaker 3: of thing will be what they're considering anyway, So they

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Speaker 3: may not want to legislate against what Auckland Council is doing.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, I'm just trying to get inside their heads.

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Speaker 3: But I don't have to because we can talk to

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Speaker 3: Nicolaullis after six o'clock when she's with us on that conclave.

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Speaker 3: Apparently since the Pope died, there was in the twenty

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Speaker 3: four hours after the Pope's death a two hundred and

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Speaker 3: eighty three percent spike in streaming viewership of the movie Conclave.

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Speaker 3: I was one of them, as was Laura of the German. Yes, well,

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Speaker 3: did you do it in the twenty four hours? No,

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Speaker 3: neither of us. So neither of us did it in

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Speaker 3: the twenties. We're actually not part of that is just

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Speaker 3: twenty four hours. We're after that. So I bet you

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Speaker 3: in the week there would be this massive spike. I

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Speaker 3: only got maybe even in the fortnight. I only got

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Speaker 3: round to it on Saturday night. I haven't seen how

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Speaker 3: the movie ends, so don't tell me, but I'm hoping

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Speaker 3: that they are elector pope, and I'm hoping it didn't

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Speaker 3: take too long. And that's both for the movie and

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Speaker 3: just real life as well.

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Speaker 1: Digging through the spin spins to find the real story.

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Speaker 1: During it's Heather Duplicy on drive with One New Zealand

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Speaker 1: Let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 2: That'd be.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon. The government's hoping to speed up building work by

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Speaker 3: giving builders plumbers and drain layers the power to inspect

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Speaker 3: their own work. It will also introduce mandatory targets for

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Speaker 3: inspection wait times by the end of the year. Chris

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Speaker 3: Pink is the Building in Construction Minister and is with

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Speaker 3: us now, Hey.

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Speaker 2: Chris, hello afternoon.

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Speaker 3: So who's going to be able to self certify?

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Speaker 17: Well, in the case of plumbers and drain layers, it

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Speaker 17: will be experience qualified registered personnel who are able to

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Speaker 17: tackle the boxes that are already met by electricians and

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Speaker 17: others who are already self stutify and actually in some

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Speaker 17: cases are already able to do their own work in

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Speaker 17: relation to drain excuse me, gas fitting work. So just

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Speaker 17: really you know, creating a level playing field there. And

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Speaker 17: then in terms of building companies, we haven't named the

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Speaker 17: companies yet. They've got to meet the criteria that we're

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Speaker 17: going to set out. But think those that are building

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Speaker 17: at scale, reputable, good track record, good insolvency or solvency

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Speaker 17: position rather so they can be trusted to sign off

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Speaker 17: their own work.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the problem is though sometimes you can't see

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Speaker 3: the mistakes that you make, right, isn't there value in

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Speaker 3: having this set a set of a second set of

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Speaker 3: eyes on it.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, Well, having a good quality assurance process that they

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Speaker 17: would undertake is part of it, and there will be

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Speaker 17: standards obviously that they've got to continue to meet. And

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Speaker 17: you know, they've got to have the right sort of

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Speaker 17: assurances and insurance in place as well, so they've got

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Speaker 17: every incentive to get it right. And you know, between

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Speaker 17: that and ordering kind of arrangements to make sure that

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Speaker 17: they remain on the straight and arrow, we're really confident

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Speaker 17: will add up to actually at least as good quality

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Speaker 17: as we've got at the moment.

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Speaker 3: Now, the mandatory targets for inspection, right, you want eighty

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Speaker 3: per center the inspections to be done within three working days.

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Speaker 3: How close is that to what is happening at the moment.

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Speaker 17: Well, it depends actually counseled by council, which is another

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Speaker 17: story for another day, in terms of those being quite variable.

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Speaker 17: But in some cases actually we're okay. In other cases

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Speaker 17: they will find it challenging and those are the ones

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Speaker 17: that need to spend more time and efforts taking a

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Speaker 17: risk proportioned approach, which means using remote inspection kind of

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Speaker 17: technology and so on. But actually we're really hopeful that

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Speaker 17: it will be easy enough to meet for those councils

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Speaker 17: that are well organized and doing their work, partly because

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Speaker 17: one in every three inspections at the moment is in

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Speaker 17: relation to plumbing work, which as we've just been discussing,

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Speaker 17: we won't require old mate from the council to churn

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Speaker 17: up with a clipboard to look at as well.

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Speaker 3: Chris, thanks very much, appreciate it, Chris, Building and Construction

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Speaker 3: Minister forgever dup cl. So the Professional Firefighters Union has

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Speaker 3: called for action after two firefighters got stuck up a

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Speaker 3: ladder above that recycling plant fire and Auckland last week.

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Speaker 3: What happened as the pair couldn't get down because the

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Speaker 3: truck broke and so they had to be rescued by

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Speaker 3: the second truck that was there. Now Martin and can

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Speaker 3: Amble is the vice president of the Professional Firefighters Union, Ham.

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Speaker 15: Martin, Yeah, get out here.

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Speaker 3: The house going good, thank you. What happened to the truck, Well, for.

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Speaker 15: Whatever reason, the fire truck has broke down in the

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Speaker 15: middle of this major fire that happened on Thursday night,

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Speaker 15: and as you mentioned, the two firefighters were stranded and

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Speaker 15: had to be rescued. So all emergency backups set normally

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Speaker 15: kick in when the truck breaks down unfortunately also failed

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Speaker 15: so those firefighters had to be rescued. So now we're

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Speaker 15: hoping that a full and frank investigation will be done

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Speaker 15: and why that happened and how it could stop it again.

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Speaker 3: Has this particular truck had trouble before?

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Speaker 15: The truck has had had had troubles all the time

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Speaker 15: in the days leading up to it. There were several

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Speaker 15: faults with it, but unfortunately, we just don't have the

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Speaker 15: trucks out there to replace it with. And we don't

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Speaker 15: have it, they don't have the time to be able,

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Speaker 15: I dispose, spend some time and money actually making sure

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Speaker 15: it's working properly.

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Speaker 3: What would have happened if there wasn't a second truck,

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Speaker 3: a second truck that came to that just happened to

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Speaker 3: be there and happened to be able to get to

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Speaker 3: the height that was required.

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Speaker 15: What would have happened, Well, I hate to think worst

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Speaker 15: case scenario, those firefighters could have got severely burnt or

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Speaker 15: overcome completely with the tossic smoke. You know, we would

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Speaker 15: have had to do some crazy scenarios, well, throw ropes

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Speaker 15: up to them and they had to repel down or

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Speaker 15: something silly like that. So it's it's bigg as belief

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Speaker 15: as to what potentially could have happened.

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Speaker 13: Now.

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Speaker 3: I know that you guys have some concerns because after

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Speaker 3: the sky City fire, there was supposed to be some

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Speaker 3: sort of a draft strategy for dealing with these kinds

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Speaker 3: of trucks, and that's never got out of the draft stage.

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Speaker 3: Would that have made a difference.

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Speaker 15: Well, certainly the strategy that the review from the sky

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Speaker 15: City fire, as you recommended the organization do with haste

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Speaker 15: and still hasn't done six years later, would have given

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Speaker 15: the organization their background es to where its priorities actually

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Speaker 15: need to lay, how many of these trucks they need

875
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Speaker 15: to buy, where the trucks need to be located, and

876
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Speaker 15: what type of trucks they should actually be replaced with.

877
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Martin, listen, thank you very much. I really appreciate

878
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 3: your time. That's Martin Campbell, who's obviously with the Professional

879
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Speaker 3: Firefight is Union twelve past five?

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Speaker 2: Ever do for sehether.

881
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Speaker 3: It's three weeks for residential building inspections in Auckland and

882
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 3: makes planning your build very challenging. Three days would be fabulous, Absolutely,

883
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 3: it would, thank you very much. Craig. Now get a

884
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Speaker 3: load of this, Okay, Susie's textro used to live in Carey,

885
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 3: Carey in the seventies, in the seventies and eighties, or

886
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 3: in the seventies, who had been about eighty people crossing

887
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 3: farmland to get to the beach behind our home, saw

888
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 3: we had a pool, decided to use that instead of

889
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 3: going to the beach when court couldn't see what the

890
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,320
Speaker 3: problem was. Now, so this right got a bunch of

891
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 3: texts on people doing this, apparently, and thank you very

892
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 3: much to whoever said this. Parent's called frogging. It happens

893
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 3: in the US, and there's even a thing on Netflix

894
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 3: if you're interested in watching it. And apparently it's just

895
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 3: like people who like staying in your home without you

896
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 3: knowing that it's ever happened. That like staying in your

897
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 3: home using your freezer, getting into your pool, getting into

898
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 3: your spapool, drinking your grog. And the whole point of

899
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 3: the game is that you never find out frogging. So

900
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 3: has it happened to you while you wouldn't know? Would you?

901
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 3: Thirteen past? Hey, I'm sure you've heard a lot about

902
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 3: the new BYD Shafts of shark Sex. Well, let me

903
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 3: tell you I've been driving one and saying game changer

904
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 3: doesn't even do it justice. I've got a cool hard

905
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 3: lid fitted on the back, which is great for things

906
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 3: like groceries and keeping everything in there dry. There's heaps

907
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 3: of other options as well. You've got the canopies, you've

908
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 3: got their rolling electric lids and so on, so there's

909
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 3: a great fit basically for every lifestyle. The rear seats

910
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 3: of this suit are super comfy. They have got the

911
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 3: Isofix anchors for the kiddie seats, and when it comes

912
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 3: to safety, which is what us parents care about, this

913
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 3: thing has got it all right. It's got the three

914
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Speaker 3: hundred and sixty degree cameras and they are amazing. It's

915
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 3: got the senses everywhere, but don't take my word for it.

916
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 3: It's also got a five star and CAP rating, so

917
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:47,439
Speaker 3: that tells you everything. And of course it feels great

918
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 3: driving a car with super low emissions. You can drive

919
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 3: away in one from just sixty nine, nine hundred and

920
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 3: ninety dollars plus on road costs, and for a car

921
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Speaker 3: like this, that is great value for everything you're getting

922
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Speaker 3: in here. What's not to love? For more, check out

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Speaker 3: byd auto dot co dot nzgather do for c Ellen. Okay,

924
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Speaker 3: so the police fitness by the way, coming up seventeen

925
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Speaker 3: past five. Police are ordering their recruitment process now because

926
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 3: it was revealed this morning that three applicants were allowed

927
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Speaker 3: to join the Police College despite the fact that they

928
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 3: failed the fitness test. Now, Paul Lmrod is the vice

929
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Speaker 3: president of the Police Association with US. Now, Hey, Paul,

930
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 3: hey Heather, do we still need them to pass the

931
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Speaker 3: fitness test?

932
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 2: Absolutely?

933
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Speaker 10: You know.

934
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Speaker 18: Firstly, you do need a minimum standard that all parties

935
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Speaker 18: such as the union, police and government have agreed to

936
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Speaker 18: just to get into Police College. You know that's a given. Secondly,

937
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,760
Speaker 18: Police College, you know it's a pretty high pressure learning environment.

938
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Speaker 18: It's not just class study. There's driver training, firearms, taser, baton,

939
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 18: hand to hand combat and if your physical condition isn't

940
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Speaker 18: up to at least a minimum level, invariably you'll be

941
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Speaker 18: injured and that'll put more pressure on your learning. Then

942
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 18: it could probably even delay your graduations. You have to

943
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 18: be fit to get down there, to be able to

944
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Speaker 18: not have to concentrate on an added extra while you're

945
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Speaker 18: at peace corpture.

946
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Speaker 3: Do you suspect that these three have been added to

947
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Speaker 3: try to make up numbers in order to get to

948
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Speaker 3: the target of five hundred by November.

949
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Speaker 18: We haven't been told why these three, whoever they are,

950
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Speaker 18: have been given an exemption from the PA.

951
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Speaker 3: Is there possibly another explanation?

952
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 18: No, I don't think so.

953
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 3: So you think that it's to make up the numbers

954
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,280
Speaker 3: to get to five hundred, Well.

955
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Speaker 18: The PAT the scoring system has changed. So when I

956
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 18: went in a number of years ago, you either passed

957
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Speaker 18: or you failed. So now that it's on a points system,

958
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 18: so you have to get eleven points of the PAT

959
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 18: and that's broken up into the run, the jump, push

960
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 18: ups in a grip test. So they've kind of realized

961
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Speaker 18: that maybe the heavier set b m I much as

962
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 18: our rugby players, wouldn't fit into the mold. So they've gone, okay,

963
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 18: well we can score it differently and you know that

964
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Speaker 18: will help get people into COLM.

965
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Speaker 3: Is it possible that somebody and who needs to get

966
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Speaker 3: to eleven points got to ten? Almost there but not quite.

967
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Speaker 3: But then somebody up at the upper levels was like, look,

968
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Speaker 3: this person is a super brain. We need them to

969
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 3: come and do the scam fighting. So they're going to

970
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 3: be sitting behind a desk, they're not really going to

971
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Speaker 3: be tackling anybody on the street past them.

972
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Speaker 18: No, because everyone has to do that when you start here,

973
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Speaker 18: So it doesn't matter you know what your your cognitive

974
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Speaker 18: level is in that space. Yeah, you can move into

975
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 18: that area, but you're still a police officer, and a

976
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Speaker 18: police officer has minimum requirements and if you are sworn,

977
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Speaker 18: then you're expected to be able to do the job

978
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Speaker 18: as every other police sworn Plea.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Paul, thank you. I really appreciate your time. I

980
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Speaker 3: mate this Paul Elmrod who's the New Zealand Police Association

981
00:42:53,840 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 3: Vice president. Scott Sibson. Okay, here we go. Clarification from

982
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 3: Scott Simpson's office. Look, there's always a risk when you

983
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 3: repeat these things that you have to do a clarification.

984
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 3: So what so Scott Simpson's office, thank you for listening.

985
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 3: We're listening. When we were discussing the fact that Scott

986
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 3: has taken a family day today and and that that

987
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 3: is why he's unavailable to be on the show, they

988
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 3: have called up. They've said Scott's not on a family day.

989
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 3: Talked to producer Laura not on a family day today.

990
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 3: She said, well that's what you told me. No, not

991
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 3: on a family day today. No, had a medical procedure

992
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 3: that was arranged a long time ago, So we're going

993
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 3: to take them at maybe they said it the first

994
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 3: time round, and because they would, because look, let's be honest,

995
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 3: sometimes when you're having a medical procedure, you don't want

996
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 3: to have to go into it, do you, Because you

997
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 3: don't want to have to then, so then people are like, well,

998
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 3: what was it? And then you don't want to have

999
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 3: to talk about it, so you sometimes say another story,

1000
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 3: like a family day or something like that. So we're

1001
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 3: clarifying that because a medical procedure is better to have

1002
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 3: out there than a family day. But the subjects coming

1003
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 3: up with Nikola willis though, isn't it. We're still going

1004
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 3: to talk about what happened with the acc thing, aren't we?

1005
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 3: Five twenty one.

1006
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: Informed Insight into today's issues. It's Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive

1007
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,480
Speaker 1: with one New Zealand. Let's get connected.

1008
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 3: News talk sa'd be five twenty three.

1009
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:18,479
Speaker 1: Now.

1010
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 3: Look, here's a piece of advice that I think is

1011
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 3: always quite pertinent. Does it be careful what you wish for,

1012
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 3: especially if what you're currently wishing for is a New

1013
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 3: Zealand to be forced to drop its prices. Now, this

1014
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 3: is a hardy annual. We've talked about this before, We're

1015
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 3: going to talk about this million times in our lifetimes.

1016
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 3: And it's popped up again at the moment because it

1017
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 3: is school holiday's time. It's just been school holiday's time

1018
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 3: and this one always pops up at school loti day's time.

1019
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 3: Consumer New Zealand is complaining, in particular that a New

1020
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 3: Zealand has bumped the price of its flights to Australia

1021
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 3: by forty three percent for the school holidays, which they

1022
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 3: reckon is double what Quantis did. And also, more prominently,

1023
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 3: there was a grumpy dad who complained that it was

1024
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 3: cheaper for him to be able to fly to la

1025
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 3: than it was for his daughter to fly from Todunger

1026
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 3: to Wellington in order to go back to university. Now,

1027
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 3: what apparently we think the solution here is is to

1028
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 3: conduct another market study. And we're very grumpy that the

1029
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 3: minister didn't want to do a market study, but apparently

1030
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 3: that's what we need. Now, let me ask you this

1031
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 3: before you jump down this rabbit hole of thinking that

1032
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 3: a market study is the solution. When was the last

1033
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 3: market study that changed your life? Was it the one

1034
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 3: with the petrol prices that dropped the price of petrol,

1035
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 3: No me, neither was it the one with the building

1036
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 3: supplies that led to cheaper building supplies, No me, neither

1037
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 3: was it the one with the groceries that let no,

1038
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 3: none of them have led to cheaper anything. But even

1039
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 3: if it did, right, so it wouldn't work. But even

1040
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 3: if it did, would you be happy if it changed

1041
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 3: something about the prices, because ultimately someone has to pay, right,

1042
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 3: that price doesn't just go nowhere, it goes somewhere. If

1043
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 3: we forced to in New Zealand to drop the price

1044
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 3: that that dad is paying for his daughter to get

1045
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 3: back to Wellington for university, someone would have to cover

1046
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 3: the difference that it dropped. And you know who that

1047
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,240
Speaker 3: would be, don't you, Because it would be the government

1048
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 3: this one option subsidizing the cost, which means you, you

1049
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 3: and I because we're the taxpath. Or it would be

1050
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 3: a hit to the profits that the owners of Air

1051
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 3: New Zealand are making, which again is the government. So

1052
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 3: that's you and I. So either way we are paying

1053
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 3: if those prices go down. Now, I don't like how

1054
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 3: how expensive Air New Zealand is. Like an everybody I

1055
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 3: myself have chosen not to fly because of the price

1056
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 3: of tickets between Auckland and Wellington. I wanted to go

1057
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 3: see some friends in Wellington. I thought, no, I can't

1058
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 3: justify that spend. That's outlandish, so I just didn't go.

1059
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 3: I wish that that dad didn't have to pay that

1060
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,760
Speaker 3: much for his daughter to go from totinga to Wellington.

1061
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 3: But if his daughter is going to catch the flight,

1062
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 3: I would rather it be him paying the price of

1063
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 3: that ticket than the rest of us helping him out

1064
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 3: to pay the price of the ticket. So be careful

1065
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 3: what you.

1066
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 2: Wish for what hever do for see Allen.

1067
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 3: Now warning, if you find chat about the COVID lockdowns

1068
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,879
Speaker 3: and COVID in general triggering, then I need to warn

1069
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 3: you do not go and watch Seawan Hendy's interview on

1070
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 3: Q and A yesterday because you're probably gonna end up

1071
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 3: wanting to throw things at the TV after this, because

1072
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 3: because look, I'm sure Sean means well, he doesn't want

1073
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 3: anyone to die, and he wants to help people out

1074
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 3: and so on and so on. But Sean seems to

1075
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 3: be still stuck in twenty twenty one, still live in

1076
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 3: that COVID life of his because he hasn't done a

1077
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 3: lot of self reflection since then. I don't I don't think.

1078
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 3: Do you remember how Sean's research was used to predict

1079
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 3: that eighty thousand of a thousand of us would die

1080
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 3: from COVID if we did nothing to stop it, Well,

1081
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 3: eighty thousand, just remember that. Well, apparently Sean didn't mean that.

1082
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 19: I mean it later got picked up and used, you know,

1083
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 19: almost on as a piece of misinformation.

1084
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:42,240
Speaker 2: Like a deliberate piece of message.

1085
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 19: Yeah yeah, or even inadvertently by people who didn't quite

1086
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Speaker 19: understand what the models were saying, and so it got recirculated.

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Speaker 19: So really, you know, I think initially people, you know,

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Speaker 19: we did an okay job getting that across it did

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00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 19: that number eighty thousand did appear in the headlines, But

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Speaker 19: you know, I think people understood what.

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Speaker 2: Was going on.

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Speaker 19: But later it came to be used, you know, to

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00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 19: discred up the modeling when it really wasn't a production.

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Speaker 3: Wasn't it wasn't it Sean? That's news to me. I am, wow,

1095
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 3: you didn't mean that. I love how Sean was like, oh,

1096
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 3: it's misinformation, and everybody understood at the time. No, no, no, no,

1097
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 3: we didn't understand that. We did not know. We didn't

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00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 3: know when you said eighty thousand people were going to die,

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00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 3: we thought eighty thousand people were going to die. I

1100
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 3: love that because if you go back to do a

1101
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 3: quick google to it, she's just do a little covid

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00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 3: en z eighty thousand. You will find it's not some

1103
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 3: fringies who were reporting there's not. It's not in the

1104
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 3: look some footnotes that some anti vaccine conspiracy theorists dug

1105
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 3: up and used to discredit his information. It's in literally

1106
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 3: every mainstream media is reporting around the twenty fourth and

1107
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Speaker 3: twenty fifth of March twenty twenty. So don't go watch

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00:48:55,440 --> 00:49:00,280
Speaker 3: the interview, please just do me a favor. Headlines next.

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Speaker 1: Unders on the iHeart app, and in your car on

1110
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:10,919
Speaker 1: your drive home, it's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one

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00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: New Zealand let's get connected.

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Speaker 2: News talk sa'd be.

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Speaker 3: Flowers my name and said, chucking myself our Heather. The

1114
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 3: eighty thousand number wasn't correct. Why didn't Sean Hendy corrected

1115
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 3: at the time, Well, there's a question. Hey, okay, look

1116
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 3: it was a blur and there was a lot at

1117
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 3: the time, there were a lot of one o'clock press conferences.

1118
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 3: But was that the one we're just Sinda held up

1119
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 3: the chart showing all the like the eighty thousand number,

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00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 3: or did she pull out the chart at a later date.

1121
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 3: I don't know, but it felt like that was the

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00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 3: one where or was that the one where they had

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00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 3: to remember when they had the press conference and just

1124
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 3: Sinda was on one side, and then Ashley was on

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Speaker 3: the other side, and then Sean got bend into the

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00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 3: middle via zoom link and he was above them at

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00:49:57,080 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 3: the puorport of truth?

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Speaker 4: Was it that one?

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00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 3: I can't remember? Anyway, I feel like they made a

1130
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 3: big deal about the eighty thousand and now they were like,

1131
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 3: we didn't actually mean it. By the way, just being

1132
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 3: reported at the moment that Anton Lennart Brown is going

1133
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 3: to miss Super Rugby next year to take a sabbatical

1134
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 3: at a Japanese club. It's Kobe by the looks of things,

1135
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 3: not being confirmed officially, but it's understood, So embrace yourself

1136
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 3: with that announcement. Huddles with us shortly twenty three away

1137
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 3: from six Now, did you know that counsels can recover

1138
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 3: your unpaid rates if you choose not to pay them?

1139
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 3: By tapping into your mortgage. It turns out millions of

1140
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 3: dollars in unpaid council rates were taken directly from property

1141
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 3: owners mortgages last year. Sam Warren is the local government

1142
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 3: spokesperson for the Taxpayers Union and with us. Hey Sam,

1143
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:40,800
Speaker 3: can you hear me? Sam?

1144
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 12: I can can you hear me?

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00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 20: Yeah?

1146
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 3: I can hear you. Now did you know that they

1147
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 3: could do this?

1148
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 12: Look, it's a new piece of legislation to me, and

1149
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 12: it's actually quite a little known. It's under the Local

1150
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 12: Government Ratings Act where they can basically extract your mortgage

1151
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 12: or arrears. Sorry, your rates are reared through your mortgage

1152
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:00,399
Speaker 12: and not me. People know that, but I think all

1153
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,879
Speaker 12: Can Council, for example, used it eight thousand times last

1154
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 12: year alone. So there you go.

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00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 3: How do you feel about it?

1156
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 12: Look, I mean a little split sometimes. I mean they

1157
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 12: need their rates paid. But look, I think the biggest

1158
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 12: issue for us is that it's happening in the first place.

1159
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 12: Rates last year increased fifteen percent on average, you know,

1160
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 12: up and down the country. I want to see a

1161
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 12: lot more done by councils to reign in that spending

1162
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 12: and get rates down as though as possible. So this

1163
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 12: doesn't happen.

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00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally.

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Speaker 4: I mean.

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00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 3: Now, the thing is they say it's a last resort.

1167
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 3: You know, they do everything else before they can do this.

1168
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 3: How long do you know how long they leave or

1169
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 3: what does last resort mean? I mean, how long do

1170
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 3: they leave it before they tapp into your mortgage?

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00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 12: Yeah, look, there's a number of letters, you'll be getting

1172
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 12: a number of calls I'm thinking, and maybe even the

1173
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 12: house visit. But look, this is a last resort, thank goodness.

1174
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 12: But you don't want to say far.

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Speaker 3: I thought that they waited until you died or sold

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00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 3: your part before they claimed it.

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00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 12: No, not quite. There's a time carried. I think it's

1178
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 12: within you know how many months. But basically, if they

1179
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 12: can't get through to you and they find out you

1180
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 12: owe a mortgage, they'll talk to your bank mortgage provider

1181
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 12: and stack it on your rates, so you know, and

1182
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 12: if you don't, obviously, they'll then pursue their own debt collection,

1183
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 12: and worst comes worse, they'll sell your house, which happens rarely,

1184
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 12: but it does happen.

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Speaker 3: Sam, I feel so conflicted about this because obviously I

1186
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 3: pay my rates, so I want everybody to pay their rates.

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00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 3: But I also understand if somebody doesn't want to pay

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00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 3: their rates because councils suck, Right, there's just so much

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00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 3: waste there. Is this a problem? Is this a modern

1190
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 3: day problem with the bloating of the public service, or

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00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,399
Speaker 3: is this just something we will always have as long

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00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 3: as we have to, as long as we're compelled to

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00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 3: give our money to something like this.

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00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 12: Look, I hope for the best. It's just that last year,

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00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,240
Speaker 12: for example, that like I say, fifteen percent rate increases,

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00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 12: it's cited as one of the biggest contributions to the

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00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 12: cost of living. So we're really strong on something called

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00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 12: rates capping laws that would actually limit how high your

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Speaker 12: rates can be increased, and hopefully they would keep all

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00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,399
Speaker 12: these arears down councils. You know, I spend a career

1201
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 12: uncovering council waste all my goodness, it's endless. So look,

1202
00:52:59,040 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 12: I really want.

1203
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 3: To see strong I've come across.

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00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 12: Oh, here there are give me your worst. I'll give

1205
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 12: you a recent one. How's that okay? It's it was

1206
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 12: at a five hundred and sixty thousand dollars rainbow machine

1207
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 12: from Auckland Council. It's a sculpture that you might have

1208
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 12: seen up and down the place.

1209
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 3: But that's a machine. What does it make rainbows?

1210
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 2: It refracts light.

1211
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's an interactive art sculpture. But like I say,

1212
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:24,359
Speaker 12: it's I don't think that's core council spending, particularly when

1213
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 12: everyone's doing so rough at the moment. So I really

1214
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,359
Speaker 12: would like to see council really stick to basics. I'm

1215
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 12: talking about rubbish, roads pipes, that sort of thing and

1216
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 12: leave the artwork. I mean, it's tough, I know, but look,

1217
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 12: it's just tough.

1218
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 3: It is tough. Sam, Thank you, I appreciate it.

1219
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 4: Man.

1220
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 3: That's Sam Warren, local government spokesperson at the Taxpayers Union.

1221
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:43,720
Speaker 3: Twenty away from six.

1222
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeast International Realty achieve extraordinary

1223
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 1: results with unparallel reach.

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Speaker 3: Josephagani of Child found in tri Sharson of Sheharson, Willis

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00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 3: Parra's with us. How are you two? Hello, Trish? Did

1226
00:53:57,960 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 3: you know about the rainbow machine?

1227
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 4: I didn't know about the rainbow machine, and I'm obviously

1228
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 4: outraged about that. But also I didn't know about this

1229
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 4: clause in the local government legislation that that meant, you know,

1230
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 4: councilors can go off to your bank and and try

1231
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 4: and recover rates on the mortgage. It's a pretty it's

1232
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 4: a pretty full on step for organization an organization to

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00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 4: be able to take. And I'm not sure if anyone

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00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 4: else Josie might know, but I can't think of any

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00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 4: other organization that's able to do that, to reach and

1236
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:33,399
Speaker 4: via your lender. I guess for me, I'm a bit

1237
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 4: like you here that I'm conflicted on it. But I

1238
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 4: also think that the big issue here is affordability of rates.

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00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:49,319
Speaker 4: And you know, as per your previous interview, e, the

1240
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 4: rates rises that people are facing with no prospect of

1241
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 4: or understanding of where they're actually going to cap out.

1242
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 4: That's the real worry here. So you not only can

1243
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 4: councils reacn and you know, put this on your mortgage

1244
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 4: if you haven't paid, but also into the future, you know,

1245
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 4: there is real concern that if someone doesn't get local

1246
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 4: governments under control, you know, they are going to become

1247
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 4: completely unaffordable for a lot of people.

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00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you make of it, Josie.

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00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 11: I'm not conflicted. I actually think this is really good.

1250
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 11: And as a rate payer, as you both just said,

1251
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 11: I pay my rates, I get bugger all for it

1252
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 11: no rubbish collection. I don't even have a pavement to

1253
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 11: walk on outside my house. I don't even have potholes

1254
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 11: to complain about. But you know, I pay my rates.

1255
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 11: So I think if you've got council waste, if you've

1256
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 11: got them spending money on rainbow machines and as up

1257
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 11: here in Compardy there was an awful piece of artwork

1258
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,839
Speaker 11: that the council stopped funding. Good on them and then

1259
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:48,280
Speaker 11: there was a petition for the community to keep funding

1260
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 11: it and it's just like, just take it down, we

1261
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 11: don't want it. So I don't mind about this, but

1262
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 11: I do think that there should be processes around it,

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00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 11: and there are they so as far as I am.

1264
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 11: And the council goes through a whole bunch of things

1265
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,479
Speaker 11: where if you're struggling to pay, they give you time,

1266
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 11: they help you with the payment plan. If you're doing

1267
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 11: it as a protest because you think the council is

1268
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:13,120
Speaker 11: wasting money, well just wait to vote the guys out.

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00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 11: Wait to vote the council out. So there are mechanisms

1270
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 11: for that, and you know, and then they have to

1271
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 11: apply for it a year in advance, so they have

1272
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 11: to give a year's notice and then they can take

1273
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 11: the money if you're not paying, and they should do

1274
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:28,320
Speaker 11: because if they if people don't pay, then then everybody

1275
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 11: else has got to pay more.

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00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 3: Josie, So, who's your mayor? By the way, I'm up

1277
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 3: in company and it is you know who it is?

1278
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:41,799
Speaker 4: I do.

1279
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:43,760
Speaker 11: It's Jill Thing.

1280
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 3: I've heard about it.

1281
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 11: Yeah, oh god, Laura, google it, save me google it.

1282
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 3: There's Janet Janet, Janet.

1283
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 11: Jill Holbrook, Janet Holbrook, thanks Olbro.

1284
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 3: Yes, No, yeah, it's Janet Smith. Josie. No, I'm just

1285
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 3: making at Smith, which making up names to see just

1286
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 3: how how bad.

1287
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:04,920
Speaker 11: You are, Joseph Janet.

1288
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 3: Okay, so let's say Janet the mayor decides that she

1289
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 3: is going to increase your rates by three thousand dollars

1290
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 3: a quarter from next quarter. Are you going to be

1291
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 3: chill with here and be like, yeah, okay, that's fair enough.

1292
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 3: We're all paying it, so we'll just keep paying it.

1293
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 11: No, I'm going to vote her out and anybody else

1294
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 11: who agrees with her and get.

1295
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 3: But I mean, and this is fundamentally the problem. That

1296
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 3: isn't it trish that the next pody you get in

1297
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 3: you can't really like, does anybody have any confidence that

1298
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 3: they're going to be different, because you've still got the

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Speaker 3: same bros sitting in the council.

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Speaker 4: We don't and we still have the absolute lack of

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Speaker 4: of fiscal discipline to realize that, you know, they just

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Speaker 4: can't keep on spending and taxing homeowners through rates like

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Speaker 4: they are. And that is a fantastic stat to come

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Speaker 4: back to. So the fact that rates now with insurance

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Speaker 4: are one of the greatest domestic drivers of cost of

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Speaker 4: living or really inflation in New Zealand. And again, you know,

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Speaker 4: government's all focused on private businesses and hammering them over

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Speaker 4: rising price in competition, but these rates rises, they not

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Speaker 4: only go across private homeowners, but they are a major

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Speaker 4: contributor to the increasing costs of running a business in

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Speaker 4: New Zealand. So they have to be bought under.

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Speaker 3: They really, really do. Guys, will take a break, thanks

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Speaker 3: so much, just stay with us.

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Speaker 1: Quarter to two the huddle with New Zealand Southby's International

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Speaker 1: Realty the ones with worldwide connections that perform not.

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Speaker 3: Promise, right, Josie, how do you feel about the police

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Speaker 3: waiving three of those people into the Police college even

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Speaker 3: though they didn't meet the fitness test.

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Speaker 11: So I'm struggling to see what the big panic is

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Speaker 11: about this is. And also I want to say, well,

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Speaker 11: and I'm sounding a bit flinty tonight, I know, but

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Speaker 11: what the hell is Labour's political game here? Like they're

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Speaker 11: careful not to comment on everything, they don't bark at

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Speaker 11: every car, and then suddenly suddenly this is the most

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Speaker 11: devastating critique of the government. You can make that three

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Speaker 11: trainee cops got through with that.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So physical is it possible that the reason they're

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Speaker 3: jumping on it now in April is because they know,

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Speaker 3: like anybody with half a brain, that on November twenty seven,

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Speaker 3: the government is not going to meet that target. So

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Speaker 3: if they start hopping on about it now, they can

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Speaker 3: say I told you so in November and we will

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Speaker 3: know that they did tell us so, and it's egg

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Speaker 3: on the government's face.

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Speaker 11: Yes, but what they're actually doing and I think that's right.

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Speaker 11: I think the critique about the five hundred new cops

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Speaker 11: by twenty twenty seven is really unrealistic and the government's

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Speaker 11: going to have to face that. But what Labour's targeting

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Speaker 11: here is, oh Mark Mitchell, Minister of Police, is putting

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Speaker 11: pressure on operations and cops to get them through the

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Speaker 11: course quickly without doing the physical blah blah blah. And

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Speaker 11: I'm thinking, so what is your alternative?

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Speaker 12: Guys?

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Speaker 11: Are you saying that we shouldn't be recruiting more police

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Speaker 11: although you saying that we should have. That there's some

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Speaker 11: massive political pressure coming on here, or that there's you know,

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Speaker 11: or that we should just pay police more and then

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Speaker 11: we get more there. Well, where's the money going to

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Speaker 11: come from? I mean, it just feels like this is

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Speaker 11: the most devastating critique they can come up with the

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Speaker 11: National Coalition government. Come on, guys, get your shit together.

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Speaker 5: What do you reckon?

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Speaker 3: Trush?

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Speaker 13: Well, I just thought.

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Speaker 4: Extremely rich coming from Labor. I mean, this is this

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Speaker 4: is a party who throughout their last six year term

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Speaker 4: in office repeatedly dropped standards. They dropped standards in the police,

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Speaker 4: they dropped standards across everything else. They didn't want measurements

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Speaker 4: on anything. So rich now to be coming and having

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Speaker 4: a go at supposedly an absolute storm and a teacup

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Speaker 4: in my view and the police. I mean I heard

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Speaker 4: Mark Mitchell this morning. He was very clear he thinks

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Speaker 4: these standards should absolutely be in place. Had nothing to

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Speaker 4: do with it. He's actually an ex cop so knows

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Speaker 4: what he's talking about. And to be honest, I just

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Speaker 4: think it makes look a little bit silly, and you know,

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Speaker 4: they actually don't know where to aim their gun on this.

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Speaker 11: Can I just say one thing, Heather, I think because

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Speaker 11: I think, you know, there's criminals coming out of jail

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Speaker 11: who've spent the last five to ten years doing nothing

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Speaker 11: but go to the gym and buffing up. So I

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Speaker 11: do actually want our cops to do a physical training

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Speaker 11: because I think it protects them and it protects us.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, but Josie, I mean nowadays, right See, I'm

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Speaker 3: not that stressed out about it because nowadays a lot

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Speaker 3: of bed and the cruise around in their cop cars

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Speaker 3: just making us feel safe. Like some of them are

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Speaker 3: definitely just you know, performative. So the performative ones don't

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Speaker 3: have to do the fitness test, do they.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think most of the cops I see on

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Speaker 4: the beat are absolutely ripped. And I often think that

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Speaker 4: is men and woman. I often think how it's like

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Speaker 4: it's well, it's like, yeah, well it's like looking at

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Speaker 4: the all black sea safety.

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Speaker 3: Looking at the cops.

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Speaker 4: Well, in a safety conscious vein, I might air are

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Speaker 4: you up to the task of protecting the community. But

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Speaker 4: I often think it's like looking at the all Blacks

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Speaker 4: now compared to twenty five years ago. They are far

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Speaker 4: more sort of built and physical because that's what the

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Speaker 4: job requires.

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Speaker 3: Yep, fair enough, Hey, very very quickly, how do you feel,

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Speaker 3: Trish about the build of self certifying?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely fantastic. I mean, talk to anyone in New Zealand

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Speaker 4: trying to build anything and the red tape and trying

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Speaker 4: to get people to come and certify, sometimes five or

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Speaker 4: six times building inspectors have to come. It's an absolute

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Speaker 4: joke and it's costing people hundreds of thousands of dollars.

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Speaker 4: So I think this is fantastic.

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Speaker 11: Josie, Yeah, I mean both the left and the right

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Speaker 11: have to focus on getting stuff done, getting stuff built,

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Speaker 11: and there's a movement away from thinking about small government,

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Speaker 11: big government left right and just thinking about abundance in

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Speaker 11: building getting stuff done. I think this is really really good.

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Speaker 11: And look at there's one example where in California they

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Speaker 11: have followed every process, in every consent process to get

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Speaker 11: a Californian high speed rail. They have yet to get

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Speaker 11: a train.

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Speaker 3: Hey, guys, thank you very much. Really appreciate. It's Josephcgani,

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Speaker 3: our CEO of Child Fund, and Tritchurs and Ssson Willis

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Speaker 3: Parra Huddle this evening.

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Speaker 1: Eight away from six, it's the Heather Duplas Allen Drive

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Speaker 1: Full Show podcast on my Art Radio powered by News talksz'b.

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Speaker 3: Apparently five away from six. By the way, apparently it's

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Speaker 3: not only the councils that can get into your bank

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Speaker 3: account if they need to retrieve money. I've had a

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Speaker 3: bunch of texts saying it's the IRD. They can do

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Speaker 3: it too. It's and I can't verify this. I'm just

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Speaker 3: basically telling you what I'm hearing. IRD can do it too.

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Speaker 3: Insurance companies can do it, and the courts can do

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Speaker 3: it as well. They can get into your bank account.

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Speaker 3: But it seems to me that the way to get

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Speaker 3: around the old rates thing, and look, this is like

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Speaker 3: this is like this is life goals, isn't it. The

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Speaker 3: way to get around the rates thing is to pay

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Speaker 3: a f your mortgage because then they can't tap into

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Speaker 3: your mortgage, can they, Because they can't do it if

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Speaker 3: you don't have one. So anyway you can pay a

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Speaker 3: your mortgaging because no, don't because then the rest of

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Speaker 3: us are going to have to bail you out now

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Speaker 3: on can I okay? You and I know that on

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Speaker 3: one of the by the way, on the cops, there

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Speaker 3: is a lot of traffic coming through on this and

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Speaker 3: people are not happy about what's.

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Speaker 16: Going on here.

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Speaker 3: We're losing quality cops who are experienced with great bins,

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Speaker 3: but not bodies to be able to pass. It's such

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Speaker 3: a shame. So apparently I'm not the only person out

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Speaker 3: there who thinks it's totally fine to have some ready

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Speaker 3: and fat cops. Fat cops on one end, ready cops

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Speaker 3: on the other end, as long as they're in a

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Speaker 3: uniform and can do something with their brains. I'm happy

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Speaker 3: you and I know that. I do not love counsels,

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Speaker 3: boy do. It's triggering. It's like it's like, you know

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Speaker 3: how how vaccines set off the conspiracy theorists. Well, I'm

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Speaker 3: like that with counsels. So it may come as a

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Speaker 3: shock to you to tell you that I have had

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Speaker 3: nothing but the world best experience with Auckland Council lately.

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Speaker 3: Now that the producers have both told me, well no, actually,

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Speaker 3: Laura the German has told me, do not mention the

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Speaker 3: fact that you're having a pool put into your house

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Speaker 3: because you sound like you're rich, and I take that

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Speaker 3: on board. And I'm still telling you that I'm having

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Speaker 3: a pool put in because I feel like honesty is

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Speaker 3: an important thing. So I have done the most extravagant

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Speaker 3: thing ever in my life as far as I'm concerned,

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Speaker 3: and decided to get a pool because Auckland's hot, and

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Speaker 3: I really wanted a pull for maternity leave, and I

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Speaker 3: wanted a pool for maternity leave. Have you heard anything

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Speaker 3: more extravagant than that. I didn't get one for maternity leave.

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Speaker 3: Let's not cut out selves anyway. It doesn't work that fast.

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Speaker 3: But anyway, so I decided I was going to treat myself.

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Speaker 3: I've been working for what like twenty years. I haven't

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Speaker 3: spent a lot of money on anything, frankly, and so

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Speaker 3: I'm going to get myself this treat. So I got

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Speaker 3: a pool, getting a pool put in, and the council.

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Speaker 3: Things get stuck at council, they do. You know, you've

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Speaker 3: got to get the consent and stuff, and things got

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Speaker 3: stuck at council level. So I called Min at Auckland

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Speaker 3: Council in the processing team. I called Min and I said, Min,

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Speaker 3: you help me out here because this thing is dragging

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Speaker 3: and I really want to get this done fast. And

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Speaker 3: can I tell you Min was awesome, But then men

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Speaker 3: had to stop because he had a thing they had

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Speaker 3: to go overseas, and so it got stuck again. So

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Speaker 3: I called men's boss and I said, mate, listen, can

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Speaker 3: you help me out. Min's not answering my phone call.

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Speaker 3: So he told me the next one who's dealing with it,

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Speaker 3: And I called him and he Ken was amazing as well.

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Speaker 3: So actually, if you call them and you're decent to them,

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Speaker 3: they are awesome. At council level, it's just about being

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Speaker 3: decent yourself sometimes and the squeaky wheel. Let's be honest,

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Speaker 3: Nicola will anyway shout out to Auckland Council. Nicola Willis

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Speaker 3: is with us next.

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Speaker 1: If this were man's up, what's down?

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Speaker 2: What with a major cause?

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Speaker 1: And how will it affect the economy? The big business

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Speaker 1: questions on the Business Hour with hither duplicy Ellen and

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Speaker 1: maas insurance and investments, grow your wealth, protect your future?

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Speaker 2: Us talk said, be it even.

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Speaker 3: Coming up in the next hour. It looks like the

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Speaker 3: capital markets have chilled out now post the Trump upheaval.

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Speaker 3: Shane Soley on that the Airport's Association not loving government regulation.

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Speaker 3: Reckon they should be looking at any New Zealand instead.

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Speaker 3: We'll have a chat to them. And Gavin Gray is

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Speaker 3: with us out of the UK right now it is

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Speaker 3: eight past six and with us as Nicola willis the

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Speaker 3: Finance Minster. Hi, Nicola, now, what have you found out

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Speaker 3: about the why targeted co governance situation? I found out that.

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Speaker 20: This is very much an Auckland Council lead issue. DOC

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Speaker 20: is only party to the discussions at all because it

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Speaker 20: administers less than one percent of the way TACKERI ranges.

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Speaker 20: So Auckland Council is leading this consultation. Our position as

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Speaker 20: the National Party is clear and is the government. We

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Speaker 20: don't support co governance of public services and we would

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Speaker 20: have significant concerns with any proposal that saw public access

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Speaker 20: to public land restricted without a very good reason, which

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Speaker 20: would be something like closing the tracks for safety.

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Speaker 3: Okay, do you think this is co governance?

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Speaker 20: Well, I've seen a range of views on that from councilors.

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Speaker 20: Most of hom are saying no, it's not co governance.

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01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:52,120
Speaker 20: Ownership and decision making stays with the local boards and

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01:07:52,200 --> 01:07:55,720
Speaker 20: the Council. But I think you need to get Auckland

1514
01:07:55,840 --> 01:07:59,479
Speaker 20: Council on your show to ask them that question. Where

1515
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:01,040
Speaker 20: we went brown and all of this.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's a very good point. We'll talk to the mayor.

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01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:05,880
Speaker 3: We spoke to Richard Hill's who is the councilor leading this.

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01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:09,240
Speaker 3: He says it's not co governance, but they can at

1519
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 3: Auckland Council delegate the decision making to this committee, which

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01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 3: then makes it co governance, doesn't it.

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01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:18,519
Speaker 20: Well, are they intending to do that because I don't

1522
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 20: understand that that's what they've consulted on, and my view

1523
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:24,280
Speaker 20: would be that they should be listening to the feedback

1524
01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:25,679
Speaker 20: they get from rate payers.

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01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 3: It sounds to me like you're telling them to tie

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Speaker 3: hoa heir.

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01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:34,800
Speaker 20: Well, the act the law is clear. It is a

1528
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:38,479
Speaker 20: local act, so it requires the Auckland Council to make

1529
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:43,200
Speaker 20: sure it's got good engagement and consultation with EWI. But

1530
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:45,880
Speaker 20: then how they administer that is a matter for the

1531
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:48,760
Speaker 20: council and I think they should be very clear with

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01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 20: their ratepayers about what they're doing and why they're doing it.

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01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:54,559
Speaker 3: Okay, So would you be happy if what happens because

1534
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:57,280
Speaker 3: the EWI wants. It is that there is restriction. About

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01:08:57,280 --> 01:09:00,000
Speaker 3: thirty five percent of the park is restricted to public access,

1536
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:02,680
Speaker 3: something like thirteen to fourteen percent of the tracks are

1537
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 3: shut down.

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01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:06,040
Speaker 20: Well, look, as I said, I'd be pretty concerned with

1539
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:09,520
Speaker 20: any proposal that saw public access to public land restricted

1540
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:14,080
Speaker 20: without a very good reason. And I think that I

1541
01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:16,160
Speaker 20: would not be alone in having that view, and I'd

1542
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:18,800
Speaker 20: suggest that many ratepayers would have that view. So it

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01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:21,000
Speaker 20: is for the Auckland Council to explain.

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01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:22,920
Speaker 3: Okay, if you didn't like what you saw, you could

1545
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:24,200
Speaker 3: pass the law and stop it, would you.

1546
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:28,679
Speaker 20: There is some complexity there because the Heritage Area Act

1547
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:31,880
Speaker 20: under which the Council is acting is a local act,

1548
01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:35,519
Speaker 20: so any change to the legislation actually has to come

1549
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:38,000
Speaker 20: from Auckland Council in the first instance.

1550
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:43,559
Speaker 3: So that means that so central government legislation can only

1551
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:45,439
Speaker 3: be changed by the local government body at.

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01:09:45,360 --> 01:09:49,840
Speaker 20: Effects where it's a local act and Auckland Council the

1553
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:53,559
Speaker 20: administering are the administering agency for that act. So if

1554
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:55,880
Speaker 20: we were to change the specific legislation, that would have

1555
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:58,679
Speaker 20: to come from Auckland Council. Let me be clear, there's

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01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 20: no requirement the legislation for co governance. There's no requirement

1557
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 20: in the legislation for a committee of the sort that

1558
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 20: the Council is proposing. This is very much an initiative

1559
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:13,760
Speaker 20: from Auckland Council that's not required by law. So as

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01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 20: I say, it's up to Auckland Council to answer why

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01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:19,160
Speaker 20: they're going about it in this manner.

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01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:21,519
Speaker 3: Okay, And so what do you think Wayne Brown has

1563
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 3: got his fingers in this one.

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01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:26,160
Speaker 20: I don't know whether he does it all, but I

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01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:28,519
Speaker 20: just think that to understand why they're doing it, what

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01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 20: it means, what the implications are, he's the better person

1567
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:33,439
Speaker 20: to be talking to than me. Point because, as you

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01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:35,479
Speaker 20: learned last week, the first time it came across my

1569
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:37,599
Speaker 20: desk was half now before your show.

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01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:39,320
Speaker 3: Well, we'll take your advice and we might get him

1571
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:41,519
Speaker 3: on now on this business with ACC. And this is

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01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:44,519
Speaker 3: very similarly themed. Right, Why did Scott Simpson change his

1573
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:46,960
Speaker 3: mind on ACC's race targeting on Thursday?

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01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:51,439
Speaker 20: Because the government has a very clear Cabinet circular which

1575
01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:55,280
Speaker 20: applies to all Crown Agents that says that service delivery

1576
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:58,640
Speaker 20: should be based on need and not race. And in

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01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 20: this instance he has gone back to ACC and said,

1578
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 20: could you please have another look at your proposed tender,

1579
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:09,479
Speaker 20: because it appears that it has just gone straight to

1580
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:12,800
Speaker 20: targeting on race rather than looking at what actually are

1581
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:16,080
Speaker 20: the issues here. So, for example, this is about people

1582
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:19,080
Speaker 20: being safe and manufacturing sites. It might just be that

1583
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:21,760
Speaker 20: some jobs are more dangerous than others. So why are

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01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:24,920
Speaker 20: you leaping to race as the target in this tender.

1585
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:28,360
Speaker 20: I understand ACC have now put that tender on hold

1586
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:29,600
Speaker 20: and are having another look at it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but he on Thursday he initially backed it, didn't they.

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01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:37,640
Speaker 20: I think in the first instance he respected the operational

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01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 20: independence of ACC, but that operational independence acts not extend.

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01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:44,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll tell you what I said. It was a

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01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:46,960
Speaker 3: written statement in newsroom, and he said the tender aligns

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01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:50,040
Speaker 3: with the government's desire to support New Zealanders based on

1593
01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:52,719
Speaker 3: evidence of need. Knowing it was race based, he still

1594
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:53,160
Speaker 3: backed it.

1595
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 20: Well, look, I'm not going to put words in Scott

1596
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 20: Simpson's mouth. What I think is happening here is the

1597
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:00,760
Speaker 20: right thing, which is the ten. It has been put

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01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:03,960
Speaker 20: on pause. ACC have been asked to ensure that they

1599
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:07,080
Speaker 20: are complying with Cabinet's direction and to set out their evidence.

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Speaker 3: Okay, they are now now I respect the fact that

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01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:12,559
Speaker 3: every time this is raised with the government, your government,

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01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:14,800
Speaker 3: you guys change it and you put the kibosh on it.

1603
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:18,640
Speaker 3: But it worries me that it takes some sunlight on

1604
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:20,439
Speaker 3: it to get to this point. You're not just behind

1605
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:22,800
Speaker 3: the scenes waving this stuff through as long as we

1606
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:23,760
Speaker 3: don't know about it, are.

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01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:28,400
Speaker 20: You no, Because that's the reason we did that cabinet

1608
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:31,880
Speaker 20: directive so that every agency knows before you try this

1609
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:34,640
Speaker 20: stuff on, you need to make sure you're complying with

1610
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:37,960
Speaker 20: the rules. And actually there are many many cases that

1611
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:40,200
Speaker 20: probably would have happened if it went for that circular.

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01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:43,439
Speaker 20: It is believe accident like this, it seems a very

1613
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:45,680
Speaker 20: clear missaye to the rest of the public service. This

1614
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:48,040
Speaker 20: stuff isn't on it okay. But now that the government's

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01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:49,840
Speaker 20: changed and we have a different set of rules, I.

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01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:51,400
Speaker 3: Would believe that, and I would be fine with that,

1617
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 3: and I would be able to blame the public servants

1618
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:55,839
Speaker 3: in this one. Except Scott knew about it. And Scott

1619
01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:58,080
Speaker 3: was like, nah, it's okay by me. So why is

1620
01:12:58,120 --> 01:13:00,759
Speaker 3: your own minister saying it's okay.

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01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:02,599
Speaker 20: To be fair here that, as you know, he's our

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01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 20: newest minister. He wasn't there at the time discussions we

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01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:06,520
Speaker 20: had on that circular.

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Speaker 3: Well, look, he's not a newb and you know that, Nikoler,

1625
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:11,760
Speaker 3: he's not a newbie.

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Speaker 20: Well, he is new to the ministry and that is

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Speaker 20: that is a fact.

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01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:18,839
Speaker 3: Wasn't he in the last National government?

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01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:23,160
Speaker 20: Well he's he only was made a minister a few

1630
01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:24,799
Speaker 20: months ago on this government.

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01:13:25,240 --> 01:13:27,360
Speaker 3: Well, you might do you need to send out a

1632
01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:28,800
Speaker 3: directive to your ministers as well.

1633
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:33,240
Speaker 20: Well, it's always my expectation that people be complying with

1634
01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:35,680
Speaker 20: cabinet directives. Of course, I won't be sending out that

1635
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 20: memo that goes without being said.

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01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:40,320
Speaker 3: Hey, okay, now on RNZ because this thing's blown up

1637
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:42,519
Speaker 3: because Winston threatened to defund them and blah blah blah.

1638
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:43,599
Speaker 3: Are you going to cut their budget?

1639
01:13:45,240 --> 01:13:48,200
Speaker 20: All funding decisions are announced as part of the budget,

1640
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:50,840
Speaker 20: and I am not ruling anything or in or out

1641
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:53,559
Speaker 20: between now and budget day because that game gets pretty

1642
01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:54,320
Speaker 20: boring pretty quickly.

1643
01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:56,040
Speaker 3: This is true, But is all of their money safe?

1644
01:13:57,520 --> 01:13:59,719
Speaker 20: As I've said, I'm not going to be making any

1645
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:03,479
Speaker 20: fun decisions until we announce them at the budget.

1646
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:05,800
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, in that case, it's pointless me asking you

1647
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:07,040
Speaker 3: about taxing charities.

1648
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Speaker 4: Is it.

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Speaker 20: No, it's not either, because as you know, it was

1650
01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:16,120
Speaker 20: my intention that we would make any changes to charity

1651
01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 20: tax law at the budget. But I won't be making

1652
01:14:19,640 --> 01:14:23,240
Speaker 20: changes at the budget, and I can confirm that because

1653
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:26,160
Speaker 20: we are continuing work in this area. We had a

1654
01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:29,800
Speaker 20: short sharp consultation with the Charity Sectorm or the nine

1655
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Speaker 20: hundred submissions, and that's thrown up two key things. The

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01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 20: first is that the potential revenue that the government would

1657
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:41,760
Speaker 20: get from this is pretty small. Some people were throwing

1658
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:44,640
Speaker 20: numbers around billions of dollars. It's more like, at the

1659
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:48,280
Speaker 20: most fifty million dollars a year. So it's not essential

1660
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Speaker 20: to our budget that we hurry these changes through. And

1661
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Speaker 20: what officials have advised is that the consultation has uncovered

1662
01:14:54,600 --> 01:14:58,000
Speaker 20: a lot of complexity about definitions and rules and how

1663
01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:01,000
Speaker 20: charities would react in so we want to get it

1664
01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:04,479
Speaker 20: completely right, so I'll be taking further advice on it.

1665
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:07,479
Speaker 20: My goal is to make sure the system's fair and

1666
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:10,120
Speaker 20: it has high integrity, So I won't be making changes

1667
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:13,720
Speaker 20: at the budget because we simply haven't landed exactly what

1668
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Speaker 20: the policy changes should look like.

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Speaker 3: Now, why is it so small, Why is it only

1670
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Speaker 3: fifty million dollars a year, because I mean that surprises

1671
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 3: me given the size of just pack Sanitarium by itself.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, because that's it the most. So if you take

1673
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:29,559
Speaker 20: that example of sanitarium, if we were to say we're

1674
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:33,200
Speaker 20: now not exempting your business from tax, what they could

1675
01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:36,400
Speaker 20: do is instead make that make their profits a donation

1676
01:15:37,200 --> 01:15:40,360
Speaker 20: back to the Seventh day Adventist Church, their parent and

1677
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:43,800
Speaker 20: get around them and that yet well, yeah, that's right,

1678
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:45,719
Speaker 20: they'd get around it, and so they wouldn't in fact

1679
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:48,959
Speaker 20: be paying any more tax. And there are many effects

1680
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:51,640
Speaker 20: like that that occur. As you appreciate, tax law is

1681
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:54,559
Speaker 20: pretty complex. There are all these sorts of loopholes and

1682
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:58,120
Speaker 20: ways through it. How do you define what is business

1683
01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:01,600
Speaker 20: related to the charity and what isn't. How do you

1684
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:05,799
Speaker 20: ensure that you're not just encouraging people to put funding

1685
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Speaker 20: into passive funds. So there's all sorts of questions that

1686
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:12,080
Speaker 20: the consultation has thrown up. Want to work through it carefully,

1687
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:15,040
Speaker 20: very committed to making sure we've got a fair system

1688
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:17,759
Speaker 20: with high integrity. We will be making changes in the space,

1689
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Speaker 20: but I don't want to rush it and get it wrong, all.

1690
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Speaker 3: Right, Nichola thank you for telling us that Nichola Willis

1691
01:16:21,640 --> 01:16:23,800
Speaker 3: the Finance minister. Better that we find out now rather

1692
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:25,679
Speaker 3: than on budget Day. Seventeen past six.

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Speaker 1: It's the head Duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast

1694
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:32,599
Speaker 1: on my Heart Radio, empowered by news dog.

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Speaker 3: Zeppi heathern Nikola Willis just smashed it every time you

1696
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:37,759
Speaker 3: tried to pin her or national down on co governance.

1697
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:39,759
Speaker 3: She turned the tables for the best. But Scott Simpson

1698
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:42,320
Speaker 3: went under the bus and rightly so. Excellent interview. Simon,

1699
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:44,360
Speaker 3: Thank you. I think you've meaning for Nicholain rather than me.

1700
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:46,200
Speaker 3: But can I just put you know how Nikola was

1701
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:49,880
Speaker 3: like Scott's new Well, hang on, it's okakay. If you

1702
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:54,080
Speaker 3: go to Scott's little profile on the Beehive website, I

1703
01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:58,120
Speaker 3: will remind you Scott was a Minister of Statistics in

1704
01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:03,719
Speaker 3: the last Keyga movement yes under Bill English yes twenty seventeen.

1705
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Speaker 3: Minister of Statistics in twenty seventeen, Associate Minister of Immigration

1706
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 3: in twenty seventeen, Associate Minister of Environment in twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 3: So he's not a fresh one. Twenty past six, Shane

1708
01:17:14,840 --> 01:17:17,799
Speaker 3: solely harbor asset management is with US right now. Hey, Shane,

1709
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:21,479
Speaker 3: get aheather now, Shane, why have the capital markets started

1710
01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:22,040
Speaker 3: to chill out?

1711
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Speaker 21: Yeah? Yeah, we've actually seen a bit of a recovery.

1712
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:28,720
Speaker 21: Excuse me, he were shares back up a pretty solid week.

1713
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:30,680
Speaker 21: Last week actually saw the US, the U S and

1714
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:33,160
Speaker 21: P five hundred, that's the main one people talk about

1715
01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:36,160
Speaker 21: four point six percent tech market, Tech, the NASDAK up

1716
01:17:36,160 --> 01:17:40,799
Speaker 21: six points in in big balance, even mister muss Tessler

1717
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:44,080
Speaker 21: upper eighteen percent. So it's all about some of this

1718
01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:48,560
Speaker 21: stepping away in tariff. So this moderation in tariffs is

1719
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:51,040
Speaker 21: stepping off the heat from both the US and China.

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01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:53,479
Speaker 21: Whether mister Trump he keeps on saying, hey, look we're

1721
01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:57,080
Speaker 21: going to drop tariffs to China, but with something substantial

1722
01:17:57,120 --> 01:18:00,439
Speaker 21: in return. So the markets like that. Markets also liked

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Speaker 21: the fact we had some pretty good profit results out

1724
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Speaker 21: of the US companies, so they've been better and the

1725
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:08,639
Speaker 21: outlook's been better. But it's really about this tariff news

1726
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:12,960
Speaker 21: been quieter. They're stepping away. The US market the biggest,

1727
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:14,680
Speaker 21: and P five hundred only down one and a half

1728
01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:17,400
Speaker 21: percent month to day, the Naisdack the tech market up

1729
01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:19,920
Speaker 21: on the on the month. Not many people to pick back.

1730
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:23,000
Speaker 21: And our market here today was up point seventy percent,

1731
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:25,479
Speaker 21: so we're only down one point four percent. So yeah,

1732
01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:28,080
Speaker 21: markets are seeing things we might have seen the worst.

1733
01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:30,920
Speaker 3: But were there a couple of share price moves here

1734
01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:34,280
Speaker 3: in New Zealand that reflected what's going on with tariffs.

1735
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:37,680
Speaker 21: Yeah, we're not immune. And if you've knowed that the

1736
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:40,720
Speaker 21: healthcare stock Fish and Park with health Care Act, she

1737
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:42,840
Speaker 21: was up today is a bit of a delayed reaction

1738
01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:45,720
Speaker 21: to one of its comparable businesses, Rismid, which is a

1739
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:49,720
Speaker 21: US business. They had a better result last thusday and

1740
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:53,000
Speaker 21: they specifically talked about some of their products being exempt

1741
01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:56,120
Speaker 21: from some of the potential US government tariffs, and they're

1742
01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:58,400
Speaker 21: had pretty good demands. So the market's been a bit

1743
01:18:58,400 --> 01:19:00,760
Speaker 21: delayed and picking that up. But it is Hey, maybe

1744
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:04,160
Speaker 21: fishing Bible can be exempt on tariffs as well. Particularly

1745
01:19:04,200 --> 01:19:07,280
Speaker 21: it's mixing production and demand. Stay is good in contrast

1746
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:10,280
Speaker 21: with main freight. This is the freight we have logistics.

1747
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:13,479
Speaker 21: Something great business. But week today and the Shap price

1748
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:17,439
Speaker 21: fell there was definitely one of its US comparator companies

1749
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:19,920
Speaker 21: was a bit weak. Just highlighting this slow down and

1750
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:22,680
Speaker 21: the US economy as trade tariffs is started the hit,

1751
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:24,800
Speaker 21: so not surprising to see a bit of weakness there.

1752
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:27,160
Speaker 21: And then Delegates, the producer of some of the New

1753
01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:31,320
Speaker 21: Zealand's the Servinyon Blanc, came out with a downgrade, just saying, hey,

1754
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:34,720
Speaker 21: look this, we're uncertain about four past growth given this

1755
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:37,639
Speaker 21: ten percent increase in tariffs. Good news there, of course,

1756
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:41,080
Speaker 21: a really good harvest, good quality, good volume. So plenty

1757
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:42,360
Speaker 21: of servin your bloc to go around.

1758
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:44,080
Speaker 3: What's coming up this week that we should be watching

1759
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:44,400
Speaker 3: out for.

1760
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Speaker 21: Yeah, pretty busy week here. We've got the aims a

1761
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:51,000
Speaker 21: business confidence and Activity outlook here in New Zealand and

1762
01:19:51,080 --> 01:19:53,360
Speaker 21: on Wednesday, and that's about all these green shoots that

1763
01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:57,080
Speaker 21: we've been talking about continuing, are they growing? And NAUSI

1764
01:19:57,280 --> 01:19:59,920
Speaker 21: On Wednesday, we've also got the inflation data and that

1765
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:02,439
Speaker 21: may support more cuts by the Reserve Bank of Australia

1766
01:20:02,439 --> 01:20:05,840
Speaker 21: to their official rates. Busy week predominantly on Wednesday for

1767
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:09,120
Speaker 21: the US. The PCEE inflation, that's the one that the

1768
01:20:09,200 --> 01:20:12,040
Speaker 21: US Central Bank mainly watches, the GDP growth. That's all

1769
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:16,160
Speaker 21: out on Wednesday, and then they've got their unemployment numbers

1770
01:20:16,200 --> 01:20:20,400
Speaker 21: and their manufacturing forecast lead indicators coming out it's all

1771
01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:25,000
Speaker 21: about what does that matter given the liberation data. Liberation

1772
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:27,800
Speaker 21: Day has come out subsequent to the data, so the

1773
01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:30,040
Speaker 21: data maybe old, So it's going to be really hard

1774
01:20:30,040 --> 01:20:32,720
Speaker 21: for central banks and invest is to read through that.

1775
01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:36,679
Speaker 21: We've got a bunch of US companies reporting this week

1776
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:39,080
Speaker 21: as well. It's almost thirty percent of the US market

1777
01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:42,760
Speaker 21: by market capitalization. The Chinese have got their purchasing Manager

1778
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:47,000
Speaker 21: and disease out on Wednesday. Is there a resign of recovery?

1779
01:20:47,080 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 21: The Japanese have got a Bank of Japan rate decision

1780
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:52,760
Speaker 21: on Thursday. They have been increasing rates where they keep

1781
01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:56,080
Speaker 21: increasing rates given what's happening in globally. And then finally,

1782
01:20:56,400 --> 01:21:01,000
Speaker 21: there's just three elections going on the Canadian and Singapore

1783
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:03,439
Speaker 21: and on Saturday we've got the Australian federal election going on.

1784
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:04,719
Speaker 21: So there's a lot to think about.

1785
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:06,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally, a lot of moving parts. Hey, Shane, thanks

1786
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:09,120
Speaker 3: very much. Shane Solely Harbor Act Management, six twenty four.

1787
01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:11,160
Speaker 3: Although we've said goodbye to summer, it doesn't mean we

1788
01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:13,640
Speaker 3: also have to part with the refreshing flavors, do we?

1789
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1790
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1791
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1792
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Speaker 3: combinations which sound delicious, Raspberry and pomegranate, apple and lichy

1793
01:21:28,160 --> 01:21:30,360
Speaker 3: lemon and watermelon, plus the low on sugar with no

1794
01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:33,800
Speaker 3: artificial sweetness. Flavors or colors made from real fruit only

1795
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:36,240
Speaker 3: have twenty calories per can. And what's interesting is that

1796
01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:38,759
Speaker 3: they've all been craft brewed for three days, which sounds

1797
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:41,080
Speaker 3: like a long time, but it makes sense three days

1798
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:43,840
Speaker 3: to lock in all those incredible flavors. And honestly, you

1799
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:46,599
Speaker 3: would not expect anything less from Bunderberg. They care about

1800
01:21:46,600 --> 01:21:49,280
Speaker 3: making stuff that just tastes God, simple as that. To

1801
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Speaker 3: taste Buonderberg's new refreshingly Light Sparkling Drink range find them

1802
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Speaker 3: at most supermarkets now.

1803
01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:57,920
Speaker 1: Croating the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather due

1804
01:21:58,080 --> 01:22:02,720
Speaker 1: Sea Elan with the business hour and maths, insurance and investments,

1805
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:07,439
Speaker 1: Grow your wealth, protect your future, These talks that'd be fether.

1806
01:22:07,479 --> 01:22:10,240
Speaker 3: The Brethren Church alone receives fifty million in donations, so

1807
01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:13,240
Speaker 3: they're fifteen million in tax alone. Sounds like charity's got

1808
01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:15,920
Speaker 3: to Nicholas she's playing down the true value. Maybe maybe,

1809
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:18,400
Speaker 3: maybe maybe it got complicated when you thought you had

1810
01:22:18,439 --> 01:22:19,600
Speaker 3: to do it to charities and then you have to

1811
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:21,200
Speaker 3: do it to the EE as well, because remember they

1812
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:24,160
Speaker 3: get a tax free status. Maybe it is just too complicated,

1813
01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:26,680
Speaker 3: and in fact, I think the honest answer is that

1814
01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:29,559
Speaker 3: it is too complicated. Listening, we need to talk about

1815
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:31,479
Speaker 3: baby formula and those rules. We're going to do it

1816
01:22:31,479 --> 01:22:33,120
Speaker 3: in the next half hour. But did you know that

1817
01:22:33,160 --> 01:22:38,200
Speaker 3: there is a thing called an oralalia. I'm one hundred

1818
01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:43,240
Speaker 3: percent pronouncing this wrong, and arealia and auralia? Anyway, what

1819
01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:45,400
Speaker 3: it is is that you have no inner voice. You

1820
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:49,080
Speaker 3: basically have a silent mind, which sounds like a superpower

1821
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:50,840
Speaker 3: because if you have a silent mind, you're one of

1822
01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 3: those people who can focus really well and block out

1823
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:57,120
Speaker 3: distractions and stuff. It's a recently new discovery. They've had

1824
01:22:57,120 --> 01:22:59,840
Speaker 3: a world first conference exploring this in Auckland, just wrapped

1825
01:22:59,920 --> 01:23:01,800
Speaker 3: up now. But anyway, if you're wondering do I have

1826
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:05,880
Speaker 3: this thing silent mind? Imagine a dog barking, Imagine a

1827
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:09,120
Speaker 3: fire engine, imagine your favorite song. If you could hear

1828
01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:11,120
Speaker 3: those noises in your head, you don't have it. If

1829
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:12,760
Speaker 3: you can't hear them. You got it.

1830
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:20,400
Speaker 1: Headline's next, whether it's macro micro or just plain economics.

1831
01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:22,400
Speaker 2: It's all on the Business.

1832
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:26,360
Speaker 1: Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and who has Insurance and investments,

1833
01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:29,559
Speaker 1: Grow your wealth, Protect your future, use talks at me.

1834
01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:38,240
Speaker 2: Yare not Elsa with it, Lec. I can't remember everything

1835
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:38,880
Speaker 2: we said.

1836
01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:40,080
Speaker 8: We said it.

1837
01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:42,519
Speaker 2: It's sold me at you were.

1838
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:46,120
Speaker 3: With us out of the UK very shortly. They've managed

1839
01:23:46,160 --> 01:23:49,400
Speaker 3: to save the old British steel business, so that seems

1840
01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:50,800
Speaker 3: like it's some good news at least for them.

1841
01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:51,080
Speaker 1: Hither.

1842
01:23:51,160 --> 01:23:53,680
Speaker 3: I definitely don't have the silent mind thing because now

1843
01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:56,599
Speaker 3: I can't get the song Alice who that is Alice

1844
01:23:56,640 --> 01:24:00,280
Speaker 3: out of my mind? But now you can't either can

1845
01:24:00,439 --> 01:24:02,280
Speaker 3: because I've put it in there. Actually I don't have

1846
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:04,800
Speaker 3: silent mind as well, because since I don't want to

1847
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:09,240
Speaker 3: keep going on about Toto. But since going to Toto,

1848
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:14,040
Speaker 3: I have got Pamela like they're hit number thirty, Like

1849
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:16,880
Speaker 3: that wouldn't have even been in the top one hundred,

1850
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:18,439
Speaker 3: It would have even been in the top five hundred,

1851
01:24:18,439 --> 01:24:20,160
Speaker 3: do you know what I mean? That was just a song,

1852
01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:22,439
Speaker 3: but it's stuck in my head as an ear womb

1853
01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:24,599
Speaker 3: in my head. So I do not have silent mind either,

1854
01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:27,000
Speaker 3: and there are times right now or I wish I did,

1855
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:28,639
Speaker 3: so I don't have to keep listening to that song

1856
01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:31,080
Speaker 3: in my head anyway. It's to be fair, it's not

1857
01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:33,280
Speaker 3: a bad song. They weren't that bad. They were just boring,

1858
01:24:33,439 --> 01:24:36,000
Speaker 3: weren't they. If we thinking about this a lot, They

1859
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:39,000
Speaker 3: just a naveragena saqua. It was just almost too perfect.

1860
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:42,320
Speaker 3: They were like they were like just they just regurgitated pop,

1861
01:24:42,360 --> 01:24:44,920
Speaker 3: didn't they. There was nothing special about them until Lated Africa,

1862
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:47,559
Speaker 3: which was their special song. Anyway, we'll stop talking about Toto.

1863
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:50,519
Speaker 3: That's enough. Twenty two away from seven now MB has

1864
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:53,439
Speaker 3: launched a review of airport regulation, just three weeks after

1865
01:24:53,439 --> 01:24:55,560
Speaker 3: the Commerce Commission has given Auckland Airport the tick of

1866
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:58,720
Speaker 3: approval for its bag upgrade. Now the airport's association is

1867
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:01,680
Speaker 3: upset that the scrutiny is on airports yet again, and

1868
01:25:01,720 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 3: not on air New Zealand and the chief executive is

1869
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:08,400
Speaker 3: Billy Moorehy, Billy, ay, it's very good to talk to you.

1870
01:25:08,439 --> 01:25:10,439
Speaker 3: Why is he MB looking at airport regulation again?

1871
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:15,160
Speaker 22: Look, we're not sure. We're pretty disillusioned about it. I

1872
01:25:15,200 --> 01:25:18,880
Speaker 22: think it was as as short as eleven days since

1873
01:25:18,920 --> 01:25:22,360
Speaker 22: the last review before we heard about this one. We

1874
01:25:22,400 --> 01:25:24,320
Speaker 22: looked at this a couple of years ago. With the

1875
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:28,920
Speaker 22: Civil Aviation Act went through in twenty twenty three, we

1876
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:31,400
Speaker 22: had an effectiveness to review a few years before that.

1877
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:35,639
Speaker 22: It feels like rolling reviews where airports come out really well,

1878
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:39,439
Speaker 22: and yet we continue to see a blind spot when

1879
01:25:39,479 --> 01:25:42,440
Speaker 22: it comes to the monopoly that most consumers are experiencing

1880
01:25:42,439 --> 01:25:44,360
Speaker 22: in aviation, which is their New Zealand itself.

1881
01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:46,479
Speaker 3: Okay, and when I'm getting to the air New Zealand

1882
01:25:46,479 --> 01:25:48,040
Speaker 3: thing with you in a tech because I am fascinated

1883
01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:49,800
Speaker 3: by day as well. But is this looking at something

1884
01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:51,920
Speaker 3: that is is this particular review looking at something that's

1885
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:53,519
Speaker 3: been looked at before or is it looking at something

1886
01:25:53,560 --> 01:25:54,240
Speaker 3: completely new.

1887
01:25:55,920 --> 01:25:58,479
Speaker 22: It's a little bit unclear. It's a very loose review.

1888
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:01,519
Speaker 22: They're describing it as a chie on the system and

1889
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:03,880
Speaker 22: whether it's working the way it should. We think the

1890
01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:07,120
Speaker 22: COMMUNCE Commissioner has already exhausted that through the last review

1891
01:26:07,160 --> 01:26:09,600
Speaker 22: of Auckland Airport, which was probably the biggest test that

1892
01:26:09,680 --> 01:26:13,280
Speaker 22: it's had with the significant infrastructure investment that they've had.

1893
01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:16,280
Speaker 22: But they're looking at whether the system needs to be

1894
01:26:16,400 --> 01:26:20,439
Speaker 22: more flexible. We'll obviously submitted to that, like we always do,

1895
01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:22,679
Speaker 22: try to be constructive, but we are getting a little

1896
01:26:22,680 --> 01:26:26,800
Speaker 22: bit disillusioned with the fact that it's airports again. It

1897
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:29,200
Speaker 22: seems like the safe place for the government rather than

1898
01:26:29,240 --> 01:26:31,880
Speaker 22: really looking at the overall system and what's affecting a fas.

1899
01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:33,800
Speaker 3: Okay, now, what do you want them to look at?

1900
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:35,160
Speaker 3: This is the government. What do you want them to

1901
01:26:35,200 --> 01:26:36,599
Speaker 3: look at? Rea in New Zealand.

1902
01:26:37,439 --> 01:26:41,000
Speaker 22: Look, we want to look at the domestic market. We

1903
01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:43,880
Speaker 22: can see that there is a lot of strain on

1904
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:46,920
Speaker 22: the domestic market. It's in decline at this point. The

1905
01:26:46,920 --> 01:26:49,439
Speaker 22: health of the market is really, really poor. We've lost

1906
01:26:49,439 --> 01:26:52,800
Speaker 22: one point five million seats out of the system since

1907
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:56,759
Speaker 22: twenty nineteen. So in contrast with the rest of the world,

1908
01:26:56,920 --> 01:27:00,439
Speaker 22: our system is not growing. Aviation is going gang busters

1909
01:27:00,479 --> 01:27:04,360
Speaker 22: offshore and we're not seeing that same growth in New Zealand.

1910
01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:07,200
Speaker 22: And part of that, a really significant part of that

1911
01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:10,400
Speaker 22: is because we have one operator. Air New Zealand's great.

1912
01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:14,000
Speaker 22: I work with them closely. They're excellent people, but they

1913
01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:16,920
Speaker 22: are one business and they've had some really bad luck.

1914
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:20,839
Speaker 22: They also have eighty percent of their roots as monopoly

1915
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:23,720
Speaker 22: roots in the regions and listeners will experience that when

1916
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:26,679
Speaker 22: they're booking their flights every day. We need more competition

1917
01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:31,720
Speaker 22: in that system. Ultimately, that's what it is. Look, we

1918
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:34,160
Speaker 22: can't force competition, but we have to deal with the

1919
01:27:34,160 --> 01:27:38,400
Speaker 22: consumer outcomes. If competition isn't possible, and that's essentially what

1920
01:27:38,479 --> 01:27:41,400
Speaker 22: Air New Zealand argues. They think that the population scale

1921
01:27:41,479 --> 01:27:45,799
Speaker 22: is too low for more competition. If more competition isn't possible,

1922
01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:48,280
Speaker 22: then regulation needs to follow. That's what we do with

1923
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:55,280
Speaker 22: most other virtual monopolies, like Transpower, like Chorus. That's what happens.

1924
01:27:55,320 --> 01:27:59,960
Speaker 22: There's some kind of oversight the market power of those things. Yes,

1925
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:02,000
Speaker 22: so there has to be some kind of action regardless

1926
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:04,559
Speaker 22: of the decision you make about whether competition is possible

1927
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:04,840
Speaker 22: or not.

1928
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:06,880
Speaker 3: Okay, hey, Billy, thanks for talking us. I really appreciate it.

1929
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Speaker 3: Billy Moore, Chief Executive of the Airport's Association.

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Speaker 2: Heather duper cenh No.

1931
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Speaker 3: Have I given you the impression that I didn't like

1932
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Speaker 3: Toto nohither they were a backing band. Give them a break, Heather,

1933
01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:21,599
Speaker 3: Toto's Africa is a boring song? What did you expect?

1934
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:25,960
Speaker 3: Hold on No, No, No, No, I've become weirdly fascinated

1935
01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:28,519
Speaker 3: by Toto. It's quite the opposite of what you think.

1936
01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:32,440
Speaker 3: I'm just embarrassed that I am fascinated by a completely

1937
01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:35,680
Speaker 3: daggy dad band. Anyway, park that because I've got a

1938
01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:37,880
Speaker 3: Rolling Stone article that I'm going to read about them,

1939
01:28:38,280 --> 01:28:41,599
Speaker 3: and they're fall from grace and then their resurrection tonight,

1940
01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:44,920
Speaker 3: so we might come back here. The zombie Hour, which

1941
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 3: is what this is, is being completely and utterly taken

1942
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:50,599
Speaker 3: over by Toto. So we're gonna have a little Toto

1943
01:28:50,640 --> 01:28:52,639
Speaker 3: chat tomorrow because you're asking for it, aren't you, Simon.

1944
01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:54,960
Speaker 3: It's not the first time you've text about Toto, is it. No,

1945
01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:57,719
Speaker 3: it's not the first time we've had this conversation. Anyway, Listen,

1946
01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:02,280
Speaker 3: I'm quite fascinated by this business with the infant formula stuff, right,

1947
01:29:02,320 --> 01:29:04,120
Speaker 3: as you will know, because I've been harping on about

1948
01:29:04,160 --> 01:29:07,080
Speaker 3: it for like what feels like a year now. There

1949
01:29:07,160 --> 01:29:10,360
Speaker 3: is something weird going on here because there was a

1950
01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:12,120
Speaker 3: big write up. This is, by the way, if you're

1951
01:29:12,120 --> 01:29:14,400
Speaker 3: not sure of what I'm talking about. We share rules,

1952
01:29:14,439 --> 01:29:17,880
Speaker 3: we share we have a shared food standard with Australia,

1953
01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:20,800
Speaker 3: and they spent ten years or some poor not poor,

1954
01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:25,400
Speaker 3: you know, some nerds in some somewhere who are breastfeeding

1955
01:29:25,479 --> 01:29:30,080
Speaker 3: Nazis spent ten years rewriting the rules on infant formula

1956
01:29:30,240 --> 01:29:32,280
Speaker 3: and finally we were all going to sign up to it,

1957
01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:34,559
Speaker 3: and at that point we decided not to sign up

1958
01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:37,160
Speaker 3: to it. Now I applauded that because I think that

1959
01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:39,599
Speaker 3: people should have access to formula. It's good for babies

1960
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:41,479
Speaker 3: to have to have an alternative, and it's good for

1961
01:29:41,560 --> 01:29:44,200
Speaker 3: mums so they don't go mad if the babies don't

1962
01:29:44,200 --> 01:29:46,040
Speaker 3: get enough out of the boobs. Right, But there's something

1963
01:29:46,040 --> 01:29:48,120
Speaker 3: weird going on here because the government didn't sign the

1964
01:29:48,200 --> 01:29:50,439
Speaker 3: rules but now appears to have cold feet or something.

1965
01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:53,479
Speaker 3: There's a couple of couple of articles have popped up

1966
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:55,200
Speaker 3: in the last while, and was one over the weekend

1967
01:29:55,479 --> 01:29:57,640
Speaker 3: where the government seems to be sort of like we're

1968
01:29:57,640 --> 01:29:59,240
Speaker 3: getting these roomors like oh, now we're going to sign

1969
01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:01,439
Speaker 3: up to it, and if you ask the government they're like, no,

1970
01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:05,479
Speaker 3: we're not. But the latest one is that apparently Andrew

1971
01:30:05,560 --> 01:30:08,519
Speaker 3: Hogguard actually wanted to sign up to it but then

1972
01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:09,800
Speaker 3: didn't sign up to it. And I'll read you a

1973
01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:12,760
Speaker 3: po yeah, read this is by Tom Paula Strekker, who

1974
01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:16,719
Speaker 3: knows his business around business. He wrote, reading various tea leaves,

1975
01:30:16,760 --> 01:30:18,519
Speaker 3: I was convinced in the lead up to the cabinet

1976
01:30:18,560 --> 01:30:21,760
Speaker 3: decision that Hoggard had decided to recommend the government did

1977
01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:25,479
Speaker 3: in fact sign up to the standard. That's still my understanding. Now,

1978
01:30:25,479 --> 01:30:27,760
Speaker 3: somebody like Tom doesn't write something like that unless he's

1979
01:30:27,800 --> 01:30:31,720
Speaker 3: been briefed that that's what Andrew Hoggard was intending to do.

1980
01:30:32,160 --> 01:30:35,640
Speaker 3: So what's going on here? Are we being softened up

1981
01:30:35,680 --> 01:30:37,679
Speaker 3: for us actually signing up to this because I don't

1982
01:30:37,680 --> 01:30:39,519
Speaker 3: want to sign up to this thing. This is dumb,

1983
01:30:39,880 --> 01:30:41,400
Speaker 3: because then you're gonna have to have you're gonna be

1984
01:30:41,400 --> 01:30:43,080
Speaker 3: able to have, you have to go by if you

1985
01:30:43,120 --> 01:30:45,080
Speaker 3: have special infant formula that you need. If you charge,

1986
01:30:45,080 --> 01:30:46,640
Speaker 3: you're gonna have to go to the pharmacy or some

1987
01:30:46,760 --> 01:30:48,479
Speaker 3: weird thing like that, and everything has to be white

1988
01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:50,840
Speaker 3: labeled and blah blah blah. Anyway, never mind that. Can

1989
01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:54,800
Speaker 3: I just read you the last bit of Tom's peace.

1990
01:30:58,240 --> 01:31:00,680
Speaker 3: It's hard to see much evidence of any scandal at

1991
01:31:00,680 --> 01:31:03,439
Speaker 3: this point, just a group of people with different interests

1992
01:31:03,439 --> 01:31:05,840
Speaker 3: and perspectives making their case and trying to ensure the

1993
01:31:05,880 --> 01:31:11,559
Speaker 3: best outcome with regard to an awkward food product that

1994
01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:17,280
Speaker 3: in a perfect world wouldn't need to exist. Now, Tom, Okay,

1995
01:31:17,880 --> 01:31:21,599
Speaker 3: I don't know Tom, how you found breastfeeding. Oh that's right,

1996
01:31:22,040 --> 01:31:25,519
Speaker 3: you didn't find breastfeeding because you don't have breasts. Tom,

1997
01:31:25,960 --> 01:31:28,880
Speaker 3: So let me tell you something. There's a value judgment

1998
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:31,080
Speaker 3: that you just made them my little friend, where you've

1999
01:31:31,080 --> 01:31:33,599
Speaker 3: called an awkward food product that wouldn't need to exist

2000
01:31:33,640 --> 01:31:36,240
Speaker 3: in a perfect world. Well, in my perfect world. Actually,

2001
01:31:36,280 --> 01:31:39,640
Speaker 3: if everything was perfect, I would still have formula. Thank you,

2002
01:31:39,680 --> 01:31:42,520
Speaker 3: Tom for your value judgment about how you don't like formula.

2003
01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:46,479
Speaker 3: Some mums want to go back to work and give

2004
01:31:46,520 --> 01:31:51,120
Speaker 3: their baby formula. They don't want to breastfeed anymore, and

2005
01:31:51,280 --> 01:31:55,680
Speaker 3: that is okay. Some moms go a bit mental. I

2006
01:31:55,720 --> 01:31:58,200
Speaker 3: have a friend like that, the hormones drove her to

2007
01:31:58,360 --> 01:32:01,880
Speaker 3: a crazy place, didn't want to breastfeed anymore and be

2008
01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:07,400
Speaker 3: a psycho, And that also was okay, Tom. Some moms

2009
01:32:07,479 --> 01:32:09,879
Speaker 3: just don't want to breastfeed because it hurts their boobs,

2010
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:13,120
Speaker 3: which you would know if you were a mum who breastfeed.

2011
01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:16,080
Speaker 3: But you're not, so just going to leave that right there.

2012
01:32:16,200 --> 01:32:18,640
Speaker 3: Quarter to seven Everything.

2013
01:32:18,200 --> 01:32:22,120
Speaker 1: From SMEs to the big corporates. The Business Hour with

2014
01:32:22,280 --> 01:32:27,000
Speaker 1: Heather Duplicy, Ellen and Mayas Insurance and Investments, Grow your Wealth,

2015
01:32:27,160 --> 01:32:28,400
Speaker 1: Protect your future.

2016
01:32:28,360 --> 01:32:29,120
Speaker 2: Use Talks v.

2017
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Speaker 3: Gavin Gray are UK correspondences with us Kevin Hallo. Hi, Gavin,

2018
01:32:35,720 --> 01:32:38,320
Speaker 3: tell me how this happened? We have serving members of

2019
01:32:38,439 --> 01:32:41,360
Speaker 3: Britain Special Forces with their identities online for years.

2020
01:32:41,400 --> 01:32:45,040
Speaker 8: How yes, good question. Well, it looks like a couple

2021
01:32:45,040 --> 01:32:48,040
Speaker 8: of documents were posted online. They were meant to be

2022
01:32:48,720 --> 01:32:51,160
Speaker 8: for the British Army, really for those who served in

2023
01:32:51,200 --> 01:32:54,200
Speaker 8: the British Army, but they were inadvertently made public for

2024
01:32:54,240 --> 01:32:59,320
Speaker 8: more than a decade. The documents were published online without

2025
01:32:59,360 --> 01:33:04,120
Speaker 8: pass protection and they contained details names code names used

2026
01:33:04,120 --> 01:33:07,080
Speaker 8: to refer to the Special Forces and their operations. Now

2027
01:33:07,400 --> 01:33:13,360
Speaker 8: the paper doesn't explicitly reveal these which units these soldiers

2028
01:33:13,400 --> 01:33:17,559
Speaker 8: belonged to, or explanations of the code names. But quite frankly, Heather,

2029
01:33:17,640 --> 01:33:20,320
Speaker 8: if you go online, or you happen to know anyone

2030
01:33:20,360 --> 01:33:23,240
Speaker 8: in the military circus, you could work out whether the

2031
01:33:23,320 --> 01:33:27,160
Speaker 8: name soldiers were either serving in or affiliated with an

2032
01:33:27,200 --> 01:33:31,240
Speaker 8: elite unit like the SAS or the SBS. Now, the

2033
01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:34,479
Speaker 8: newspaper that revealed this for Sunday Times says that the

2034
01:33:34,520 --> 01:33:37,600
Speaker 8: publications were updated only a few months ago, and that

2035
01:33:37,680 --> 01:33:40,320
Speaker 8: suggests that some of the soldiers named may even have

2036
01:33:40,439 --> 01:33:43,840
Speaker 8: been engaged in live operations at the time. Very very

2037
01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:47,920
Speaker 8: embarrassing for forces that say that confidentiality in keeping the

2038
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:51,120
Speaker 8: names of those in the elite forces secret is imperative.

2039
01:33:51,439 --> 01:33:54,559
Speaker 3: Quite hey, now, how long can British Steel plant keep

2040
01:33:54,600 --> 01:33:56,599
Speaker 3: going with the raw materials that have been secured.

2041
01:33:57,720 --> 01:33:59,880
Speaker 8: It looks like they've got several months ahead.

2042
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:00,280
Speaker 10: Now.

2043
01:34:00,400 --> 01:34:03,160
Speaker 8: You'll remember we've been reporting over the last few weeks

2044
01:34:03,160 --> 01:34:06,200
Speaker 8: that British Steel is the only place in the UK

2045
01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:09,280
Speaker 8: where you can make virgin steel, in other words, steel

2046
01:34:09,439 --> 01:34:13,799
Speaker 8: not from recycled steel or metal, but from the virgin elements,

2047
01:34:13,800 --> 01:34:16,639
Speaker 8: as it were, the ores. And it had been bought

2048
01:34:16,640 --> 01:34:20,320
Speaker 8: by a Chinese owner, Jingyi, and Jingy was then reported

2049
01:34:20,600 --> 01:34:23,760
Speaker 8: to simply be running out of ingredients and refuse to

2050
01:34:23,760 --> 01:34:25,240
Speaker 8: buy any more, that we're going to let it run

2051
01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:28,080
Speaker 8: into the ground. British Steel is losing one point four

2052
01:34:28,439 --> 01:34:32,880
Speaker 8: million OS million New Zealand dollars a day, and I

2053
01:34:32,920 --> 01:34:35,519
Speaker 8: think Jin Y may quite simply have thought, well, we've

2054
01:34:35,560 --> 01:34:38,800
Speaker 8: had enough. Anyway, The government's effectively nationalized it. But then

2055
01:34:38,840 --> 01:34:41,840
Speaker 8: the battle was on to get these ingredients in place,

2056
01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:45,519
Speaker 8: because once the blast furnaces go cold or are turned off,

2057
01:34:46,200 --> 01:34:49,360
Speaker 8: they frankly may never be reheated and it takes a

2058
01:34:49,400 --> 01:34:51,400
Speaker 8: lot of energy and time to get them back up

2059
01:34:51,400 --> 01:34:54,120
Speaker 8: to speed. So the government we now know has received

2060
01:34:54,120 --> 01:34:57,720
Speaker 8: fifty five thousand tons of blast first coke that has

2061
01:34:58,400 --> 01:35:02,439
Speaker 8: arrived from Australia, sixty six thousand tons of iron ore pellets,

2062
01:35:02,479 --> 01:35:05,320
Speaker 8: twenty seven thousand tons of iron ore fines due to

2063
01:35:05,360 --> 01:35:08,920
Speaker 8: a reef arrived from Sweden next week. The government's saying

2064
01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:11,040
Speaker 8: this is a breathe and a sigh of relief for

2065
01:35:11,080 --> 01:35:14,000
Speaker 8: the two seven hundred employees. But the question is, Heather,

2066
01:35:14,200 --> 01:35:16,880
Speaker 8: how long can you keep that loss making plant going

2067
01:35:17,080 --> 01:35:20,240
Speaker 8: and make it well a reasonable request from British taxpayers.

2068
01:35:20,280 --> 01:35:22,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that is the difficult thing, isn't it. Agavin listen,

2069
01:35:22,400 --> 01:35:23,680
Speaker 3: it's always good to talk to you. Thank you, will

2070
01:35:23,720 --> 01:35:25,160
Speaker 3: talk to you in a couple of days. It's Kevin Gray,

2071
01:35:25,439 --> 01:35:27,680
Speaker 3: our UK corresponding, by the way, just really quickly on

2072
01:35:27,720 --> 01:35:29,840
Speaker 3: the Pope. I don't know if you realized this, but

2073
01:35:29,960 --> 01:35:34,759
Speaker 3: I mean impressive, impressive man for his simplicity, a because

2074
01:35:34,920 --> 01:35:36,960
Speaker 3: not only did he not get buried at the place

2075
01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:39,040
Speaker 3: where all the popes get buried. He picked his own

2076
01:35:39,040 --> 01:35:43,599
Speaker 3: favorite church, but simple wooden coffin. That wooden coffin has

2077
01:35:43,680 --> 01:35:46,479
Speaker 3: been put into a small little nook that up to

2078
01:35:46,560 --> 01:35:50,280
Speaker 3: now has been used to store the candle stickholders. Nine

2079
01:35:50,320 --> 01:35:51,000
Speaker 3: away from seven.

2080
01:35:52,160 --> 01:35:54,760
Speaker 1: It's the heather too for see Allan Drive Full show

2081
01:35:54,840 --> 01:36:00,120
Speaker 1: podcast on iHeartRadio powered by Newstalk Zibby.

2082
01:36:00,120 --> 01:36:00,200
Speaker 2: That.

2083
01:36:00,280 --> 01:36:02,040
Speaker 3: Oh gosh, this is going back a bit, isn't it.

2084
01:36:02,040 --> 01:36:03,800
Speaker 3: But I think this is point worth making. Heither, I'm

2085
01:36:03,840 --> 01:36:05,800
Speaker 3: against the race based policies. Has been talking about it

2086
01:36:05,800 --> 01:36:07,960
Speaker 3: in the show, but I'm involved with an organization who's

2087
01:36:07,960 --> 01:36:11,280
Speaker 3: seen the acc data. Mari and PACIFICA workers have high

2088
01:36:11,400 --> 01:36:14,240
Speaker 3: injury rates and costs, mostly because of the industries they

2089
01:36:14,280 --> 01:36:17,000
Speaker 3: work in and are the majority of. So reducing a

2090
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:19,040
Speaker 3: SEC costs means the need to focus on how to

2091
01:36:19,040 --> 01:36:22,120
Speaker 3: reduce specific groups injury rates and costs. It's risk based,

2092
01:36:22,160 --> 01:36:25,599
Speaker 3: it's sensible. I've disagree with that. Okay, So basically it's

2093
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:28,920
Speaker 3: manufacturing sector as a whole, but specifically there are some

2094
01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:31,479
Speaker 3: parts of the manufacturing sector where there is very high

2095
01:36:31,560 --> 01:36:33,720
Speaker 3: injury rates for Mary and PACIFICA because they work in

2096
01:36:33,760 --> 01:36:36,840
Speaker 3: these very dangerous parts of the manufacturing sector. But then

2097
01:36:36,880 --> 01:36:39,439
Speaker 3: what that means is that everybody in those dangerous parts

2098
01:36:39,439 --> 01:36:41,920
Speaker 3: of the manufacturing sector are at risk of injury. Whether

2099
01:36:41,960 --> 01:36:45,880
Speaker 3: they're Asian or Indian, or Vietnamese or goodness, Chinese, I

2100
01:36:45,880 --> 01:36:48,880
Speaker 3: don't know, whatever, party, heart, whatever, whatever, it doesn't matter

2101
01:36:48,920 --> 01:36:51,839
Speaker 3: what they are, right, they work in the dangerous sector.

2102
01:36:52,280 --> 01:36:55,080
Speaker 3: They are at risk. So instead of targeting Mary and

2103
01:36:55,120 --> 01:36:59,160
Speaker 3: PACIFICA as a proportion of the greater manufacturing sector, why

2104
01:36:59,160 --> 01:37:01,800
Speaker 3: don't you just go to those two, let's say, or

2105
01:37:01,920 --> 01:37:05,880
Speaker 3: three very dangerous parts of the sector and just clean

2106
01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:07,960
Speaker 3: them up, because then you will clean it up. Just

2107
01:37:08,360 --> 01:37:10,200
Speaker 3: everybody is at risk, not you know what I mean, Like,

2108
01:37:10,439 --> 01:37:12,720
Speaker 3: it's always there is always a need somewhere. You do

2109
01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:14,400
Speaker 3: not need to target it on race. You just need

2110
01:37:14,439 --> 01:37:16,360
Speaker 3: to find out what the problem is and fix it,

2111
01:37:16,479 --> 01:37:20,799
Speaker 3: and you will fix the race problem anyway. Cool and listen.

2112
01:37:21,640 --> 01:37:24,719
Speaker 3: I have not had an opportunity to tell the NFL story,

2113
01:37:24,760 --> 01:37:26,240
Speaker 3: but this has just absolutely spun you.

2114
01:37:26,280 --> 01:37:29,800
Speaker 23: Well, tell the story, Okay. So I was not ready

2115
01:37:29,800 --> 01:37:31,280
Speaker 23: to tell the NFL story. So I don't even have

2116
01:37:31,280 --> 01:37:33,960
Speaker 23: the player's name in front of me. So this guy, yeah, yeah,

2117
01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:37,000
Speaker 23: so he's he thinks he's really hot stuff, right. He

2118
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:39,400
Speaker 23: thinks he's absolutely going to be a top five pick

2119
01:37:39,479 --> 01:37:41,040
Speaker 23: in the NFL. And to be fair to him, a

2120
01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:42,160
Speaker 23: lot of the pundits.

2121
01:37:41,760 --> 01:37:42,240
Speaker 15: Do as well.

2122
01:37:42,280 --> 01:37:43,840
Speaker 3: And he's playing at college level, and he's.

2123
01:37:43,760 --> 01:37:45,920
Speaker 23: Playing at college level, and him and his dad, who

2124
01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:48,679
Speaker 23: is a Dion sanders A so it's on sanders A Stone,

2125
01:37:48,720 --> 01:37:51,120
Speaker 23: a former star. They're both being absolute divers. They're not

2126
01:37:51,120 --> 01:37:53,519
Speaker 23: showing up to like practice trial events because they're so

2127
01:37:53,520 --> 01:37:55,120
Speaker 23: convinced they're going to get through all. Apparently a bunch

2128
01:37:55,120 --> 01:37:57,640
Speaker 23: of his meetings go badly. So anyway, he sets up

2129
01:37:57,640 --> 01:38:00,759
Speaker 23: a custom room and is live streaming his watch party

2130
01:38:00,760 --> 01:38:02,599
Speaker 23: for the draft for the NFL drave because he's gonna

2131
01:38:02,600 --> 01:38:04,080
Speaker 23: get pick, because he's gonna get pay. He's gonna be

2132
01:38:04,080 --> 01:38:06,160
Speaker 23: one of the first five players. Yes, right, anyway, he

2133
01:38:06,200 --> 01:38:08,040
Speaker 23: isn't packed in the first five. As a matter of fact,

2134
01:38:08,040 --> 01:38:09,800
Speaker 23: for the whole first day of the draft, he has

2135
01:38:09,880 --> 01:38:12,639
Speaker 23: not pecked. Day two, comes through rounds two and three

2136
01:38:12,640 --> 01:38:13,200
Speaker 23: of the draft.

2137
01:38:13,240 --> 01:38:14,120
Speaker 15: He is not pecked.

2138
01:38:14,439 --> 01:38:16,400
Speaker 23: Round four of the draft. On today three, he has

2139
01:38:16,439 --> 01:38:18,400
Speaker 23: not packed. Round five of the draft. He has finally

2140
01:38:18,400 --> 01:38:22,240
Speaker 23: picked it. I think one hundred and thirtieth or so picked. Yeah,

2141
01:38:22,280 --> 01:38:24,800
Speaker 23: so the probably the biggest and most public serving of

2142
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Speaker 23: humble Pie ever he was. Yeah, and there was also

2143
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Speaker 23: another thing where an another coach's son gave him a

2144
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Speaker 23: prank call. At one point managed to get Ahold of

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Speaker 23: his secret phone number and called him live on stream

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Speaker 23: to pretend he takes.

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Speaker 3: The call from is it like this somebody? He thinks

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Speaker 3: it's somebody at.

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Speaker 23: The same Yeah, he thinks it's the gym of the

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Speaker 23: New Orleans Saints who are about to draft him in

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Speaker 23: front of the last week, all these cameras around him,

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Speaker 23: and then suddenly Nope, that's a prank call as well.

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Speaker 23: So yeah, very very bad weekend. Except he is now

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Speaker 23: playing for the Cleveland Brown so he is going to

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Speaker 23: live his dream. So I guess he won in the end.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but he first had to have that humble Pie

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Speaker 3: force down his throat.

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Speaker 23: He probably if he had a quiet mind, he doesn't

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Speaker 23: have one after this as being of this is what

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Speaker 23: I've had stuck in my head all weekend hither because

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Speaker 23: Liam Dan told us about I don't know whether it

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Speaker 23: did it I want to air or not.

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Speaker 3: Okay, this is the toto remix.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, Roger Sanchez another chants, which samples the Toto song

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Speaker 23: I Won't Hold You Back because he found it digging

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Speaker 23: in a Creative records. He found it on their nineteen

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Speaker 23: eighty two album.

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Speaker 3: And he even knew that.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, And so Liam Dan emailed me and email me

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Speaker 23: the video and it's a really good music video. And

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Speaker 23: now I know, I don't ever quite mind because it's

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Speaker 23: just been bouncing off the inside of my head all

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Speaker 23: weekend and now it's going to be bouncing off the

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Speaker 23: interviewers as well.

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Speaker 3: It's just wonderful because we've managed to get another piece

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Speaker 3: of Toto content on air. That see you Tomorrow news

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Speaker 3: from HPPE.

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