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Speaker 2: Hello you, great New Zealander, and welcome to Matt and

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Speaker 2: Tyler Full Show Podcast number two to nine for the

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Speaker 2: twenty fourth of October. It's a Friday. It was a

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Speaker 2: funny old show today. Enjoyed it.

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Speaker 3: It was light.

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Speaker 2: We've had some quite intense shows lately, and that you've

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Speaker 2: got to describe that one is light.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Great chat about Grannie Flats in some wedding photography. Ah,

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Speaker 3: I you shared a quite a story about some bad

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Speaker 3: behavior to winning.

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Speaker 2: There's also some tortoise six. So I enjoyed the pod.

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Speaker 1: Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything

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Speaker 1: in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk

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Speaker 3: Very good afternoons. You welcome into Thursday show. Really good

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Speaker 3: to have your company is always hope you're doing pretty

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Speaker 3: well wherever you're listening in the country.

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Speaker 2: Get a man now listen everyone, love your feedback. On

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Speaker 2: nine two nine two and one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 2: But as I have been banging on a week, I'm

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Speaker 2: a huge Dodgers fan, and you took a horrific blow

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Speaker 2: yesterday in a Game four with the Blue Jays coming back,

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Speaker 2: and there's about to be Game five today and that

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Speaker 2: really will set up the last two games of the

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Speaker 2: World series. So it's a must win for my beloved Dodgers.

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Speaker 2: You know I bleed blue. You do love the La Dodgers.

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Speaker 2: So no spoilers, spoilers please on nine two nine two. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: throughout the show, please, if you could, please not fire

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Speaker 2: through fire through the hate. Yeah, I mean, I'm the

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Speaker 2: text machines full of Dodgers hate and people rubbing them

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Speaker 2: Yesterday's that's fine.

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Speaker 3: If you want to teach through Dodgers suck. It's better

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Speaker 3: than any sort of score. Yeah, yeah, has something backwards.

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Speaker 2: But just just don't keep me out of the loop

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Speaker 2: going forward, because I'm going to finish the show and

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Speaker 2: go home and watch the whole game.

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Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, And I'm very nervous.

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Speaker 3: You are very nervous, So please please.

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Speaker 2: Stupid of me to become a hum huge fan of

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Speaker 2: a team that's not even from my own city.

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Speaker 3: I get tense for you, mate. I mean when we're

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Speaker 3: watching that marathon Indians and I had to go home

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Speaker 3: and put it back on the telly. And I'm not

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Speaker 3: a baseball fan, and I oppositting there thinking I've got

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Speaker 3: nothing in this, but I am really tense, tense for you.

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Speaker 3: So big game today anyway, I'm becoming.

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Speaker 5: A fan of that team.

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Speaker 2: I could go back twelve years and not attend that

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Speaker 2: game that I did, you poor bugger.

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Speaker 3: And not become this this Dodge's addicted race. Stay away

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Speaker 3: from baseball. Right to today's show. After three o'clock, we

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Speaker 3: want to have a chat about jury service. It is,

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Speaker 3: of course, something most of us are called up to

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Speaker 3: do at some stage, getting that letter in your mailbox

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Speaker 3: saying you need to come on down to the courthouse

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Speaker 3: because you're required to provide a little bit of justice,

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Speaker 3: as it may be.

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Speaker 2: Mattees, it's your time, Tyler, buddy, I've got it right here.

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Speaker 2: My jury summons is right in front of me here,

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Speaker 2: and I deferred one of them because I do this

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Speaker 2: live radio show called Matt Heath.

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Speaker 3: And Tyler Adam. It's a good show that way.

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Speaker 2: Afternoons on News Talk ZB so it's a job where

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Speaker 2: I kind of need to be there, Yes, but they're

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Speaker 2: not allowing me to kick it down the road anymore.

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Speaker 2: And I want to do jury service. I think it's

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Speaker 2: a very good thing to do, and I think we

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Speaker 2: should all.

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Speaker 3: All do it.

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Speaker 2: Otherwise our justice system just doesn't work. We need to

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Speaker 3: But boy, it's and it's complicated. It's a lot of admins,

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Speaker 3: it's a lot of life admin that you've got to

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Speaker 3: rearrange to get on down there and do your civic duty.

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Speaker 3: And as you say, it can be a lot of fun.

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Speaker 3: There's an excitement element about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, big fan of the movie Twelve Angry Men, Fantastic

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Speaker 3: Is that your duty? And also, you know, let's talk

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Speaker 2: Was it rewarding? Was it something you did in your

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Speaker 2: was worth the hassle and the kafuffle and the lost

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Speaker 3: Forward to that after three o'clock, After two o'clock. How

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Speaker 3: much does it really cost to raise a child in

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Speaker 3: children costing two hundred and sixty one thousand dollars. Interestingly,

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Speaker 3: while those numbers seem pretty high, the cost it hasn't

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Speaker 3: say they deciding to have fewer kids because it costs

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Speaker 3: too much. Yeah, rubbish, I've had kids.

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Speaker 2: They're not that very expensive, you know, as long as

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Speaker 2: have the perfect family. If you have costly, if you

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Speaker 2: run a house full of love, not necessarily a houseful

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Speaker 2: you have, and whatever they cost is irrelevant because what

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Speaker 2: else are you going to spend your money on? It's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, nicely said that is after two o'clock. But right now,

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Speaker 3: let's get into this. So Chris Sipkins has publicly challenged

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Speaker 3: property that excludes the family home and farms. All houses

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Speaker 3: property portfolio and he said, I quote, why should Christopher

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Speaker 2: They use the term out of touch a lot, and

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Speaker 2: What is interesting is that when quite recently, when John

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Speaker 2: we want someone who's successful leading our country. That seems

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Speaker 2: it does being rich and successful count against you in

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Speaker 3: Do we want?

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Speaker 2: I mean, the question really is do we want people

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is going to be a great chat. Oh,

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Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number to call?

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Speaker 3: Nine two ninety two. The phone lines have already lit up.

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Speaker 3: But let's get into it. Does being rich and successful

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Speaker 2: The text machine is full of baseball fans on nine

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Speaker 5: People love it.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, also people that are addicted to overseas teams.

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Speaker 2: I understand Matt Born and bred Kiwi, but addicted to

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Speaker 3: Go figure, they need some rehab for you.

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Speaker 2: Fellas it happens, you didn't mean it to happen, but

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Speaker 3: What are you supposed to do? It is thirteen past

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Speaker 3: one bag very shortly. You're listening to Matt and Tyler the.

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Speaker 1: Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything

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Speaker 6: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks that'd be.

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Speaker 3: Very good afternoon. So Chris Hopkins has taken aim at

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Speaker 3: Christopher Luckson's success and wealth when it comes to his

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Speaker 2: This Texas is in most countries they celebrate success. In

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Speaker 2: This has been an issue hold New Zealand back for

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Speaker 2: says Luxon doesn't know how to be humble. He hasn't

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Speaker 2: set up a business with his own money. He knows

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Speaker 3: That he would receive. It's so interesting that thing that.

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Speaker 2: You have to be humble someone doesn't needs to be,

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Speaker 2: as long as it's not being falsely humble, if you

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Speaker 2: just have to say, oh, I haven't done you know this?

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Speaker 3: And that is that is a weakness in New Zealand,

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Speaker 3: and that false humility because we think, well, this is

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Speaker 3: that you can't be too boastful, when you can't be

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what about when you go around to a rich

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Speaker 3: You know, we're just mucking through, you know, and they

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Speaker 3: start a nice house, you know, isn't it better to

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Speaker 3: describe things exactly as they are, and if they are

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Speaker 3: very if you happen to be very successful, then it's

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Speaker 3: not necessarily boasting to just describe reality, right exactly. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I find it worse when people you know, like you know, say,

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Speaker 2: for example, the rock band U two, whenever they win award,

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Speaker 2: they go up dressed like homeless people. Not so much anymore,

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Speaker 2: but for a while they did. You're like, come on,

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Speaker 2: we know how we know how rich you are?

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Speaker 3: Bono, You're a billionaire, yeah exactly, but rich from hipkins.

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Speaker 2: He's never had a job. He's been on the taxpayer

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Speaker 2: working for very various politicians in parliament. So after his

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Speaker 3: Does that make you more down to earth as a leader,

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Speaker 7: Hey you go to Well, first of all, I got

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Speaker 7: But what will I what I would say? And I

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, Trevor Chris Fluxen made four point two million

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Speaker 7: Well, we did, right, and that's why I have a

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Speaker 7: And I'm just wondering if Ginny really think that that

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, it's interesting you say that, Trevor, because you

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Speaker 2: Absolutely she's done well in life and she should absolutely

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Speaker 3: There's a centin amount of hypocristocracy. Hypocrisy is the word

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Speaker 7: No, I just find that people that just said they

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Speaker 7: I just get sick of Jinny Ethan, especially the last

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Speaker 2: I had to say, Politics Wednesday and the Osking Breakfast

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Speaker 3: Those three are so good together. They give each other

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Speaker 2: This Texas says, Hi, guys, I'm not left or right.

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Speaker 2: There is, but there is definite conflict of interest when

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Speaker 2: you've they've also lost. I mean, I don't know if

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, a great financial loss to themselves, particularly in

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Speaker 2: And you can kind of argue that any any degree

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So, I mean, is the accusation that politicians continually make

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Speaker 3: And that's it. Yeah, That's where I push back is

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Speaker 4: Are killer Brough? How are you going? God?

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Speaker 2: Yep, sorry, just had unprofessionally Vaughn had a sip of

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Speaker 9: A sip of coffee is professional on my book. Yeah, Hey,

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Speaker 10: Look, just listening to it.

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Speaker 9: And what triggered me was the comment about does someone

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Speaker 9: But I think that it's optics and there's kind of

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Speaker 4: Deserves all as well.

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Speaker 9: He's obviously worked hard. But I think that you know,

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Speaker 9: John Key was the master. Everybody knew he was wealthy

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Speaker 9: and he managed that well, you know, really really well.

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Speaker 2: He had a great story though didn't need John Key

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Speaker 3: You know that that's that's a good story.

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Speaker 9: And when Chris was on his way and it looked

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Speaker 9: it on one other thing. You said that people have

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Speaker 5: That's true.

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Speaker 2: I mean one thing, getting paid four point two million

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Speaker 3: Be risky if you don't get elected and lets you

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Speaker 3: So if they don't like, yeah, you're out on your bum.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but if you've got twenty million dollars in the bank,

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Speaker 9: I think probably the thing is that with as well,

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Speaker 2: They can't believe the people that what was his name?

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Speaker 3: What was he thinking?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, I mean I don't think that you're in the

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Speaker 5: That That blows my mind, And they gave him a chance.

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Speaker 3: He still didn't do it.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: Well, I mean when you've become a politician, the public

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Speaker 3: Good to get your thoughts, mate, Thanks very much for

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Speaker 3: One oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty. When

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Speaker 3: trenches and know how hard it is at the bottom.

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Speaker 3: Love to get your thoughts. If you If you love

438
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Speaker 3: lux and so much, why don't you marry him?

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Speaker 2: Says this text. Well, I think we're just having a discussion. Also,

440
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Speaker 2: he's heavily married to he's got a lovely wife, fantastic wife.

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Speaker 3: Yeah it could a good runner. Actually looks like she

442
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Speaker 3: can bench serious, got some good arms. I thgon she

443
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Speaker 3: could do one twenty yeah, easy, twenty eight past one.

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Speaker 6: The headlines and the hard questions. It's the make asking

445
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Speaker 6: breakfast to result aside.

446
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Speaker 5: Has this been exciting for the farming community or not really?

447
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Speaker 12: Certainly it's one of the biggest decisions Fronterira shiholders will make.

448
00:20:16,493 --> 00:20:19,453
Speaker 12: It's been an eighteen month process, so there's no doubt.

449
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Speaker 9: There's been really.

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Speaker 12: Strong engagement from our farmers in real interest and what

451
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Speaker 12: it means for us as supplies of milks.

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Speaker 13: How much is it just about the chair I'm getting

453
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Speaker 13: four hundred thousand dollars, yes or no? And how much

454
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Speaker 13: of it's about the bigger picture, the long term deals,

455
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Speaker 13: what it means, et cetera.

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Speaker 12: This is our wildlihoods will be supplying milk well after

457
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Speaker 12: any capital return up to vote successful. So we have

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Speaker 12: encouraged farmers to look through the capital return.

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Speaker 4: They have engaged in that.

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Speaker 13: Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 13: a Vida News Talk ZB it is.

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Speaker 3: Twenty nine to two. Have plenty of texts coming through

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Speaker 3: a ninet two nine two.

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Speaker 2: Why do you need seven houses you can only live

465
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Speaker 2: in one?

466
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Speaker 3: It's just greedy?

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean that's interesting question. Why do you

468
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Speaker 2: need seven hours you can earn live in one? You

469
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Speaker 2: can live in more than one. I mean, Hopkins has

470
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Speaker 2: got a beach house, isn't it. Yeah, Luckson's two of

471
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Speaker 2: Luckson's one of I'm not sure he's got seven hous

472
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Speaker 2: he's got seven properties, hasn't he?

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Speaker 3: At one point?

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Speaker 5: Anyway?

475
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Speaker 2: But there's the one he lives in when he's in

476
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Speaker 2: Wellington and the one he lives in when he's in Auckland. Yeah,

477
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Speaker 2: as two of them, so he at least needs those two.

478
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Speaker 3: But have been the same for gold or shares. You know, what,

479
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Speaker 3: do you need one hundred thousand apple shares?

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Speaker 7: Well?

481
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Speaker 3: I do know, because it's a good way to generate wealth,

482
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Speaker 3: same with gold, same with any other esset. I mean

483
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Speaker 3: it is a legitimate way to be able to build

484
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Speaker 3: wealth in New Zealand, and it's something we've all been

485
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Speaker 3: told for a long time. That is how you get

486
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Speaker 3: on the property letter and build wealth. Let you who has.

487
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Speaker 2: Only exactly what they need to survive, cast the first stone,

488
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Speaker 2: I'd say. I mean, you only really need one pair

489
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Speaker 2: of shoes and one pair of pants, don't you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very good point.

491
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Speaker 2: You only really need one pair of underpants. You just

492
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Speaker 2: wash them in the sink every night, turn them over,

493
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Speaker 2: put them on a rotation.

494
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Speaker 5: You know how far?

495
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Speaker 3: How far could this argument go?

496
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Speaker 2: Yeah, very true, Probably too far. Already a couple more texts. Hi, guys,

497
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Speaker 2: this is typical key. We talk poppy syndrome.

498
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Speaker 3: Get over it.

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Speaker 2: The vast majority of people who have money have worked

500
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Speaker 2: incredibly hard to get there where they are in life.

501
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Speaker 2: It's about time people started looking after themselves in stead

502
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Speaker 2: of simply wanting more labor. Are showing their true colors

503
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Speaker 2: and attacking others personally said this in the news recently,

504
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Speaker 2: Debi Narrowapaka owns a bunch of ourses. You failed to

505
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Speaker 2: declare everyone in Parliament is out of touch in terms

506
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Speaker 2: of money. This question is this Texas is isn't the

507
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Speaker 2: more important question whether it's okay that our prime minister

508
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Speaker 2: is earning six hundred thousand and not paying tax on it. Well,

509
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Speaker 2: that might be the more important question to you, but

510
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Speaker 2: it's not the question we're asking. We're asking that question

511
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Speaker 2: has been asked a lot. We're asking a different question.

512
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Speaker 2: We're asking if things have changed and now does being

513
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Speaker 2: rich and successful now count against you in politics in

514
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Speaker 2: terms of their attax. But whatever you think about capital

515
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Speaker 2: gains tax, you have paid money because you know, you

516
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Speaker 2: pay tax on what you earn paid GSD whatever, and

517
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Speaker 2: then capital gains tax is taxing you again.

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Speaker 3: Yep, you could argue, right, yeah, and that is a

519
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Speaker 3: very fair argument. And that's what a lot of people

520
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Speaker 3: are saying when it comes to this policy, So.

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Speaker 2: There's no doubt that you know, Christoph Luxe has paid

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Speaker 2: a lot of tax in his life, so he hasn't

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Speaker 2: paid no tax.

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Speaker 3: Right, we've got the headlines hot on our tails, but

525
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Speaker 3: taking your calls on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

526
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Speaker 3: and coming up after the headlines, we have a chet

527
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Speaker 3: to David who reckons New Zealand culture just doesn't like

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Speaker 3: success anymore. It is twenty seven to two.

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Speaker 8: Jus talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxes, it's

530
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Speaker 8: no trouble with a blue bubble. Winston Peters has been

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Speaker 8: quick to condemn Fonterra Dairy Farmers voting to sell off

532
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Speaker 8: brands like Anchor in Mainland have overwhelmingly agreed to a

533
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Speaker 8: four point two billion dollar deal with French company Luctalie's

534
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Speaker 8: A new tool presents a climate future kiwis will want

535
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Speaker 8: to avoid Earth sciences. New Zealand's research shows seven hundred

536
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Speaker 8: and fifty thousand people are at risk of a major

537
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Speaker 8: flooding event. Internet audits of police devices have led to

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Speaker 8: an officer being stood down and reviews of other staff

539
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Speaker 8: will sparked by a senior leaders fall from grace. There

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Speaker 8: are two nu measles cases in Auckland Health, New Zealands,

541
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Speaker 8: as one of the cases is a close contact of

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Speaker 8: a previously reported case, but the other currently.

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Speaker 3: Has no known links.

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Speaker 8: A Dunedin Mann's in custody accused of assaulting a bus

545
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Speaker 8: driver and biting a police officer while resisting arrest. Police

546
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Speaker 8: are asking the driver to get in touch. Fatigue setting

547
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Speaker 8: in for weather batted Southerners as they face a long

548
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Speaker 8: road ahead. Southland and Kluther remain under a state of

549
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Speaker 8: emergency a week since severe winds caused devastation across the region.

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Speaker 3: It's pr not the er.

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Speaker 8: Why gen Z is resisting the workplace emergency, say the

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Speaker 8: story at Enzaid Herald Premium.

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Speaker 3: Back to matt Ethan Tyler Adams. Thank you very much, Raylean.

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Speaker 3: So we're talking about Christopher Hopkins coming after Christopher Luxen

555
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Speaker 3: in terms of the money he made off the sale

556
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Speaker 3: of a couple of homes. But the question we've focused

557
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Speaker 3: on I've focused in on rather is does being rich

558
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Speaker 3: and successful count against you in politics now? Because they

559
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Speaker 3: use in it labor is a bit of an attack line.

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Speaker 3: So I love to hear your thoughts.

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Speaker 2: This person supports the attack line. He is absolutely out

562
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Speaker 2: of touch. He does not know what it's like to

563
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Speaker 2: be poor like poor people do. Maybe politicians should be

564
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Speaker 2: made to work minimum wage and say a fast food

565
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Speaker 2: job for a year so they know before.

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Speaker 3: They go in what it's like.

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Speaker 5: That'd be interesting.

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Speaker 2: One sort of like a military service, where before you

569
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Speaker 2: go in you have to, like if you're Christopher Hipkins,

570
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Speaker 2: you have to you know, leave parliament and you know,

571
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Speaker 2: leave your your studying after you study. If you're going

572
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Speaker 2: to go into politics, you have to do a year

573
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Speaker 2: on minimum wage.

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Speaker 3: You know what it's like. I'm not against that TV.

575
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Speaker 2: And if you're Christopher Luxon and you're leaving in New

576
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Speaker 2: Zealand on four point two million, before you go into parliament,

577
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Speaker 2: you have to do a year working at McDonald's.

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Speaker 3: Good suggestion. Well, Trump famously did it an afternoon at McDonald's.

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Speaker 3: He enjoyed it. I mean, he loves he loves McDonald's.

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Speaker 3: Isn't he the best of times? And he looked like

581
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Speaker 3: he was having a ball of a time. It's easy

582
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Speaker 3: to have a ball of a time for an hour.

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Speaker 14: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well once you've been doing it for do for

585
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Speaker 3: for you know, fifty weeks. Get back me, get back

586
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Speaker 3: to me on that. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It's an interesting one though, isn't it, Because you could

588
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Speaker 2: but then you could argue that if you're going to

589
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Speaker 2: be that you need to run a business for a

590
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Speaker 2: year before you go into politics or something.

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Speaker 4: You know.

592
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean if you have.

593
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Speaker 2: Do you have to experience every part of life in

594
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Speaker 2: New Zealand before you can go in You need to

595
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Speaker 2: be a teacher for a year so you can talk

596
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Speaker 2: about education.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a lot of education. One hundred and eighty

598
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Speaker 3: ten eighty is that number to call? Get a duncan?

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Speaker 15: How do you have gone?

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Speaker 4: God?

601
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Speaker 3: What do you reckon?

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Speaker 16: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: No, Like.

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Speaker 15: I think the Prime Minister needs to understand both finance

605
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Speaker 15: and the cultural population cultural holi cultural? Or do I

606
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Speaker 15: just mean the attitude of the country. So like just

607
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Speaker 15: be four years we're talking about John Key and I

608
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Speaker 15: agree he was actually very really good for the country,

609
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Speaker 15: but what could his National Party do for farmers and

610
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Speaker 15: his two terms? Nothing that comes to anyway. And this

611
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Speaker 15: country is just one giant farm mate, It's it's always

612
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Speaker 15: been a backbone.

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Speaker 3: Do you not think Christopher lux And understands that.

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Speaker 17: I take it your farmer, duncan, well, can I family

615
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Speaker 17: sold the farm just before I got to high school,

616
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Speaker 17: but come from about four generations of dairy farmers before

617
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Speaker 17: that month.

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Speaker 15: But I like living in the city on one sort

619
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Speaker 15: of work in the trades and that sort of stuff.

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Speaker 14: All.

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Speaker 15: Like I said, country is just a big farm. It's

622
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Speaker 15: it's always been a financial backbone, you know. And or

623
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Speaker 15: someone like John Key to do a lot of good

624
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Speaker 15: but also completely ignore the backbone of the country. I

625
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Speaker 15: think that would be.

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Speaker 2: Do you think who do you who do you think

627
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Speaker 2: represents farmers best? In Parliament now.

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Speaker 15: Over the last few months national have been actually giving

629
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Speaker 15: them attention and they seem to farmers seem to be

630
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Speaker 15: liking the results. I was watching Parliament TV a couple

631
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Speaker 15: of months ago and there was a fellow in the

632
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Speaker 15: act Party that was talking about it that farming. He

633
00:28:45,613 --> 00:28:50,613
Speaker 15: seemed pretty pretty onto it. But you can't just rely

634
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Speaker 15: on farming. You've got to have business as well. And

635
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Speaker 15: I think a leader needs to understand not only finance,

636
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Speaker 15: but you know the attitude of the country and as

637
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Speaker 15: strong an ex weak points and what how.

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Speaker 2: Do you how do you think what do you need

639
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Speaker 2: to have done to be able to understand all these parts?

640
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Speaker 2: Do you think you have to have lived them or

641
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Speaker 2: do you think you can get there just by studying them.

642
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Speaker 14: Well?

643
00:29:17,053 --> 00:29:21,293
Speaker 15: As a leader of a party, yes, so fine, so

644
00:29:21,453 --> 00:29:24,933
Speaker 15: business as your strong point in farming is not. As

645
00:29:24,973 --> 00:29:28,333
Speaker 15: a leader of party, you should have people in your

646
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Speaker 15: caucus that are strong for you are weak.

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Speaker 3: Yeah you know what I mean? Yeah, that's they seems smart?

648
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Speaker 14: Do that?

649
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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 2: Surround yourselves with experts, absolutely, David, your thoughts on this?

651
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Speaker 18: Yeah, how are you great?

652
00:29:46,973 --> 00:29:51,133
Speaker 19: I've always wanted to call up, never had the opportunity

653
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Speaker 19: or never.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, Well, hey, David, thank thank you so much for

655
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Speaker 2: calling up. We really appreciate being your your first the

656
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Speaker 2: recipient of your first call, and it means a lot.

657
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Speaker 19: Don't be a stranger, David, No, thank you for listening

658
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Speaker 19: to me, lost for training to thought.

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Speaker 4: Now.

660
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Speaker 19: I've been a trade all my life. I'm seventy one

661
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Speaker 19: now and I'm still working as a trade. I'm a

662
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Speaker 19: brick and blocklar. We've had hard times throughout the years,

663
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Speaker 19: but I think my main point about your argument is

664
00:30:25,333 --> 00:30:31,293
Speaker 19: a people's mindset. Your mindset. I've always striven to get

665
00:30:31,333 --> 00:30:34,373
Speaker 19: ahead no matter what situation. I was on the doll

666
00:30:34,453 --> 00:30:38,933
Speaker 19: for four weeks when we had two young girls, and

667
00:30:39,253 --> 00:30:42,733
Speaker 19: it was pretty desperate times. I actually built a dinghy

668
00:30:43,693 --> 00:30:49,533
Speaker 19: while I was off work, you know, instead of crying

669
00:30:49,573 --> 00:30:53,293
Speaker 19: about things, I just you know, and eventually I got

670
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Speaker 19: back to work. And now that I'm at my age,

671
00:30:56,693 --> 00:31:01,093
Speaker 19: I've built my own house. We're living comfortably. Both our

672
00:31:01,213 --> 00:31:04,373
Speaker 19: kids have got their kids and they're doing really well.

673
00:31:04,733 --> 00:31:10,653
Speaker 19: And it's all about mindset. People have criticize other people

674
00:31:10,853 --> 00:31:14,093
Speaker 19: who are doing well. They need to look at themselves

675
00:31:14,133 --> 00:31:16,853
Speaker 19: in the mirror and say, why aren't I doing well?

676
00:31:17,173 --> 00:31:19,533
Speaker 19: You know, what can I do to improve myself? Instead

677
00:31:19,533 --> 00:31:25,653
Speaker 19: of criticizing chrus Sipkins is just leading almost a third

678
00:31:25,733 --> 00:31:30,453
Speaker 19: of the country with his criticism, and it's I That's

679
00:31:30,493 --> 00:31:32,893
Speaker 19: why I rang up. I just get frustrated with people

680
00:31:33,173 --> 00:31:35,453
Speaker 19: like that. You know, they're just for one of a

681
00:31:35,533 --> 00:31:38,733
Speaker 19: better word, they're just losers. They need to change their mindset.

682
00:31:38,853 --> 00:31:40,973
Speaker 19: Anybody can be anything. That's what I used to say

683
00:31:40,973 --> 00:31:43,013
Speaker 19: to my kids. If you want to be something, you

684
00:31:43,093 --> 00:31:45,613
Speaker 19: can be it. You know, just think of something you

685
00:31:45,693 --> 00:31:47,053
Speaker 19: want to be and we'll make it happen.

686
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Speaker 3: So when did you start giving that advice to your kid?

687
00:31:49,773 --> 00:31:52,973
Speaker 2: I was actually going for a walk with my son yesterday,

688
00:31:53,053 --> 00:31:54,813
Speaker 2: so we were walking the dog, and he was talking

689
00:31:54,813 --> 00:31:56,173
Speaker 2: about what he wanted to do in life, and I

690
00:31:56,253 --> 00:31:58,533
Speaker 2: was trying to rustle up some good advice, as you

691
00:31:58,613 --> 00:32:01,733
Speaker 2: do as a dad, and I said to him, in life,

692
00:32:02,013 --> 00:32:04,173
Speaker 2: you just have to try and be You can't compare

693
00:32:04,173 --> 00:32:06,933
Speaker 2: yourself with other people. You've just got to compare yourself

694
00:32:06,973 --> 00:32:11,173
Speaker 2: with you yesterday and try and incrementally be better yesterday

695
00:32:12,333 --> 00:32:16,013
Speaker 2: today than you were yesterday. And then you'll fail and

696
00:32:16,173 --> 00:32:18,413
Speaker 2: you'll succeed. But as long as you're always trying to

697
00:32:18,453 --> 00:32:21,453
Speaker 2: be just a little bit better, then over ten years

698
00:32:21,493 --> 00:32:22,973
Speaker 2: you'll be you'll probably be quite amazing.

699
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Speaker 3: And that that was all like a rustle up on

700
00:32:25,053 --> 00:32:26,973
Speaker 3: the spot there. It's pretty good, pretty good.

701
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Speaker 19: No, that's that's pretty good. I mean the kids need

702
00:32:29,693 --> 00:32:32,973
Speaker 19: a mentor. Everybody needs a mentor, even grown people. You know,

703
00:32:33,293 --> 00:32:35,213
Speaker 19: if you're playing sport, you always want to be as

704
00:32:35,253 --> 00:32:38,533
Speaker 19: good as the best player. Yeah, somebody is wealthy. You

705
00:32:38,613 --> 00:32:40,373
Speaker 19: want to find out how they got wealthy and how

706
00:32:40,493 --> 00:32:43,013
Speaker 19: you can you know who.

707
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Speaker 3: Is your mentor? David, So you're in there and things

708
00:32:45,213 --> 00:32:47,813
Speaker 3: weren't were pretty tough for you, So who gave you

709
00:32:47,973 --> 00:32:50,573
Speaker 3: that advice? And and the follow up question? You know

710
00:32:50,653 --> 00:32:52,933
Speaker 3: because you talk about empathy of people that have been

711
00:32:53,013 --> 00:32:55,293
Speaker 3: in a situation. You've been and you pulled yourself out

712
00:32:55,293 --> 00:32:57,213
Speaker 3: and you're doing well now. But I take it you've

713
00:32:57,253 --> 00:32:59,373
Speaker 3: still got empathy for people who find themselves in the

714
00:32:59,413 --> 00:33:00,173
Speaker 3: situation you're in.

715
00:33:01,813 --> 00:33:02,053
Speaker 20: Yeah.

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Speaker 18: I like I'm a helper.

717
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Speaker 9: I like to help people, but.

718
00:33:07,613 --> 00:33:09,053
Speaker 19: You know, at the end of the day, people have

719
00:33:09,133 --> 00:33:12,293
Speaker 19: to help themselves. One of my daughters was about, I

720
00:33:12,333 --> 00:33:16,733
Speaker 19: don't know, twenty ish and she was an artist. She'd

721
00:33:17,293 --> 00:33:22,333
Speaker 19: been through elim and she wanted a career that sort

722
00:33:22,373 --> 00:33:26,493
Speaker 19: of followed that, and so I said, well, you know,

723
00:33:26,733 --> 00:33:28,213
Speaker 19: whatever you want to be, you can be it. What

724
00:33:28,293 --> 00:33:29,533
Speaker 19: do you interior designer?

725
00:33:29,573 --> 00:33:30,173
Speaker 7: What don't you get?

726
00:33:30,853 --> 00:33:33,293
Speaker 19: So she she did a couple of courses and became

727
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Speaker 19: an interior designer. And so it's just a matter of

728
00:33:38,453 --> 00:33:44,853
Speaker 19: helping helping a kid well answer their questions, you know. Yeah.

729
00:33:45,773 --> 00:33:49,533
Speaker 19: But anyway, that getting back to the Christal reduction and

730
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Speaker 19: helpskins and stuff, I just think.

731
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Speaker 18: It's a load of rubbish.

732
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Speaker 19: It's people need to wake up to themselves, get them

733
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Speaker 19: mentor if they have to change their mindset, go out,

734
00:34:02,093 --> 00:34:05,653
Speaker 19: get a job, save some money, you know, have kids,

735
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Speaker 19: look after them nicely, don't bloody. You know, we need

736
00:34:10,172 --> 00:34:13,133
Speaker 19: to We've got a lovely place here. It's just there

737
00:34:13,172 --> 00:34:15,973
Speaker 19: are a few people that are ruining for the rest

738
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Speaker 19: of us.

739
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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 19: New Zealand is a great place and we need more business.

741
00:34:23,093 --> 00:34:28,053
Speaker 19: We need. I've actually drove today down to Helensall and

742
00:34:28,333 --> 00:34:31,133
Speaker 19: there's a few shops that have closed down. But we

743
00:34:31,373 --> 00:34:35,573
Speaker 19: used a tire place for the first time, and there

744
00:34:35,573 --> 00:34:37,733
Speaker 19: were about five days that were empty. Mind you, we

745
00:34:37,813 --> 00:34:40,733
Speaker 19: were the first customers and I thought, jeez, I that

746
00:34:40,853 --> 00:34:42,933
Speaker 19: guy's taking a risk. I hope he does really well.

747
00:34:42,933 --> 00:34:44,893
Speaker 19: I hope people just get in there and give him

748
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Speaker 19: my hand, you know, because he's a he's an entrepreneur,

749
00:34:47,013 --> 00:34:50,213
Speaker 19: you know. You know, that's that's the kind of thing

750
00:34:50,253 --> 00:34:50,573
Speaker 19: we need.

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00:34:50,933 --> 00:34:51,093
Speaker 10: Yeah.

752
00:34:51,133 --> 00:34:54,053
Speaker 2: Well, people sometimes forget the risks that people have taken

753
00:34:54,213 --> 00:34:57,373
Speaker 2: to be successful. They've hung it all out there on

754
00:34:57,493 --> 00:35:01,733
Speaker 2: the line and gone through terror and and you know,

755
00:35:02,013 --> 00:35:04,692
Speaker 2: and just struggle to get where they are. And then

756
00:35:04,693 --> 00:35:10,093
Speaker 2: when there's successful people, people say, you know, you got lucky, yeah,

757
00:35:11,253 --> 00:35:13,293
Speaker 2: or hassle you for your success. But if no one

758
00:35:13,493 --> 00:35:17,133
Speaker 2: takes these risks, then none of us move forward. It's

759
00:35:18,373 --> 00:35:20,373
Speaker 2: good on you, David. What a great call. Thank you

760
00:35:20,533 --> 00:35:22,373
Speaker 2: so much for a calling for the first time, and

761
00:35:22,413 --> 00:35:23,573
Speaker 2: please call back in the future.

762
00:35:24,613 --> 00:35:26,213
Speaker 18: Thank you very much, guys, and I thank you.

763
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Speaker 3: Love that. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is

764
00:35:28,413 --> 00:35:31,133
Speaker 3: that number of call. We're going to play some messages,

765
00:35:31,173 --> 00:35:32,333
Speaker 3: but a quicktique to the break.

766
00:35:32,493 --> 00:35:35,133
Speaker 2: Ironic the right often say the left have never run

767
00:35:35,173 --> 00:35:37,453
Speaker 2: a business. There's this texture, so they wouldn't know. Apparently

768
00:35:37,493 --> 00:35:40,573
Speaker 2: the argument doesn't swing the other way, right, So what

769
00:35:40,613 --> 00:35:44,053
Speaker 2: does that mean? So ironic that the rights often says

770
00:35:44,053 --> 00:35:45,652
Speaker 2: that the left have never run a business, so they

771
00:35:45,653 --> 00:35:49,652
Speaker 2: wouldn't know. Apparently the argument doesn't swing the other way.

772
00:35:50,773 --> 00:35:56,493
Speaker 2: Is that meaning that if you have never been in politics,

773
00:35:57,173 --> 00:36:02,733
Speaker 2: then text, text, could you clarify that? I want to

774
00:36:02,773 --> 00:36:04,692
Speaker 2: I want to understand. I want to understand what you're

775
00:36:04,693 --> 00:36:05,093
Speaker 2: trying to say.

776
00:36:05,093 --> 00:36:07,933
Speaker 3: There there's something in there currently too done to decipher it,

777
00:36:08,053 --> 00:36:12,252
Speaker 3: so helpisatic. It is twelve to two, Baggery shortly taking

778
00:36:12,253 --> 00:36:13,813
Speaker 3: your calls on one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

779
00:36:14,853 --> 00:36:15,693
Speaker 9: Have a chat with the.

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00:36:15,773 --> 00:36:19,133
Speaker 1: Lads on eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Mart Heathen Tyler

781
00:36:19,173 --> 00:36:21,253
Speaker 1: Adams afternoons used talk.

782
00:36:21,173 --> 00:36:23,853
Speaker 3: Said be afternoon. It's nine to two. So many texts

783
00:36:23,853 --> 00:36:26,213
Speaker 3: coming through on nine two ninety two. So this Texas

784
00:36:26,213 --> 00:36:28,893
Speaker 3: says this is high. I'm far from a Labour suporterer.

785
00:36:28,933 --> 00:36:31,613
Speaker 2: But if you look at the comments from Christopher Hipkins,

786
00:36:31,653 --> 00:36:34,533
Speaker 2: he isn't against the increased wealth, but rather the lack

787
00:36:34,573 --> 00:36:36,853
Speaker 2: of tax being paid on it. Yeah, but that's not

788
00:36:36,893 --> 00:36:38,813
Speaker 2: the question we're asking. We're saying, this is just another

789
00:36:39,093 --> 00:36:42,933
Speaker 2: of the attacks that have been that the Labor Party

790
00:36:43,013 --> 00:36:45,573
Speaker 2: is running on their line of Christopher Luxe and being

791
00:36:45,693 --> 00:36:48,733
Speaker 2: out of touch. I mean they posted in August Luxeon

792
00:36:48,813 --> 00:36:50,373
Speaker 2: is out of touch and has no idea what it's

793
00:36:50,493 --> 00:36:54,733
Speaker 2: like for most New Zealanders struggling to pay bills. Wealthy

794
00:36:54,733 --> 00:36:58,813
Speaker 2: and out of touch. Prime Minister Christopher Luxe and battles

795
00:36:59,053 --> 00:37:01,413
Speaker 2: polling Blues. Fifty one percent of people think he's out

796
00:37:01,413 --> 00:37:03,133
Speaker 2: of touch. We're just so, we're just saying that the

797
00:37:03,213 --> 00:37:05,613
Speaker 2: question is here. I mean, look here, this is another

798
00:37:05,653 --> 00:37:06,133
Speaker 2: one from.

799
00:37:07,893 --> 00:37:08,253
Speaker 5: Labor.

800
00:37:08,413 --> 00:37:09,973
Speaker 2: Luxeon is out of touch. He has no idea what

801
00:37:10,093 --> 00:37:13,212
Speaker 2: life is like for most New Zealanders. Another Labour post

802
00:37:13,293 --> 00:37:16,733
Speaker 2: crystpher Luxtion is out of touch. Another one, Christoph Luxon

803
00:37:16,733 --> 00:37:20,133
Speaker 2: thinks he knows bottom feeders and bloods and free That's

804
00:37:20,173 --> 00:37:24,453
Speaker 2: not it. I'm just going through these here, So it's

805
00:37:24,493 --> 00:37:26,653
Speaker 2: an attack. There's so many of them popping up, and

806
00:37:26,813 --> 00:37:28,293
Speaker 2: when I do the search on it, there's so many

807
00:37:28,613 --> 00:37:32,212
Speaker 2: of that attack. So we're just asking the question. It's

808
00:37:32,293 --> 00:37:37,853
Speaker 2: not necessarily specific about this particular attack on the accusations

809
00:37:37,893 --> 00:37:41,293
Speaker 2: that he's made money flipping properties. We're just asking the question,

810
00:37:41,373 --> 00:37:43,453
Speaker 2: does being rich and successful now counter against you in

811
00:37:43,493 --> 00:37:47,173
Speaker 2: politics in New Zealand? And there's no doubt that that

812
00:37:47,333 --> 00:37:49,573
Speaker 2: is an attack line from laborat Christopher Luxe.

813
00:37:49,573 --> 00:37:51,893
Speaker 3: They are using that ahead of the election. Right, we're

814
00:37:51,893 --> 00:37:53,773
Speaker 3: going to play some messages, but when we come back,

815
00:37:53,773 --> 00:37:55,693
Speaker 3: we're taking more of your calls. On oh, eight hundred

816
00:37:55,693 --> 00:37:57,573
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty seven to two, this.

817
00:37:57,653 --> 00:38:00,613
Speaker 2: Texas says, this is a conflict of interest. Mister Luxon

818
00:38:00,653 --> 00:38:03,772
Speaker 2: owns your radio station. That's why you boys are saying nothing.

819
00:38:04,293 --> 00:38:09,093
Speaker 3: Does he used to me? Does Christopher Luxeon own radio station?

820
00:38:09,293 --> 00:38:11,413
Speaker 3: That is news to me? Pretty sure it's on you

821
00:38:11,493 --> 00:38:12,813
Speaker 3: can buy she isn't it?

822
00:38:14,093 --> 00:38:17,613
Speaker 1: Matt Heath Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

823
00:38:17,733 --> 00:38:20,973
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty it's mad Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons

824
00:38:21,173 --> 00:38:24,133
Speaker 1: news talks they be now it's four to two.

825
00:38:24,173 --> 00:38:25,533
Speaker 3: We're a bit late here, but we're going to carry

826
00:38:25,573 --> 00:38:29,413
Speaker 3: this conversation on after two a clock. So the question

827
00:38:29,653 --> 00:38:32,093
Speaker 3: is who makes the best leaders, those with impressive resumes

828
00:38:32,173 --> 00:38:34,173
Speaker 3: and business or people who have been in the trenches

829
00:38:34,213 --> 00:38:36,493
Speaker 3: and understand the grind of everyday life.

830
00:38:36,773 --> 00:38:39,133
Speaker 2: The sixty sis fifty one percent. So the people as

831
00:38:39,173 --> 00:38:42,013
Speaker 2: well as labor think he's out of touch. This person says,

832
00:38:42,253 --> 00:38:45,093
Speaker 2: perception is reality. He's a fruity tweat. Bring on Crusher

833
00:38:45,133 --> 00:38:46,413
Speaker 2: Collins or Erica Stanford.

834
00:38:46,453 --> 00:38:49,493
Speaker 3: Okay, right, that's right. I haven't heard that before, but

835
00:38:49,613 --> 00:38:49,893
Speaker 3: thank you.

836
00:38:50,333 --> 00:38:53,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, and people saying, oh my god, there's so many

837
00:38:53,133 --> 00:38:54,453
Speaker 2: coming through here, it's hard to keep up.

838
00:38:54,573 --> 00:38:56,813
Speaker 3: But look, we'll get to them all.

839
00:38:56,933 --> 00:38:58,533
Speaker 5: We'll get We've got to keep this guing.

840
00:38:58,573 --> 00:39:00,292
Speaker 3: We've got to keep this going. That's what the people

841
00:39:00,333 --> 00:39:02,013
Speaker 3: want to talk about. And you're going to give the

842
00:39:02,053 --> 00:39:03,373
Speaker 3: people what they want sometimes.

843
00:39:03,813 --> 00:39:03,973
Speaker 4: Yeah.

844
00:39:04,093 --> 00:39:07,093
Speaker 2: So eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number. Does

845
00:39:07,333 --> 00:39:10,693
Speaker 2: being rich in success will now countergainst you in politics

846
00:39:10,853 --> 00:39:12,373
Speaker 2: in New Zealand give us a ring.

847
00:39:12,413 --> 00:39:13,133
Speaker 3: I love to talk to you.

848
00:39:13,373 --> 00:39:13,573
Speaker 4: Yep.

849
00:39:13,733 --> 00:39:17,093
Speaker 3: Absolutely, come on through New Sport and weather. It's fast approaching,

850
00:39:17,173 --> 00:39:20,413
Speaker 3: really good to have your company as always on this

851
00:39:20,653 --> 00:39:24,053
Speaker 3: Thursday afternoon. Hope it's pretty good. Wherever you're listening in

852
00:39:24,173 --> 00:39:26,893
Speaker 3: the country, stay right here. We will be back very shortly.

853
00:39:26,973 --> 00:39:29,493
Speaker 3: You are, of course listening to Matt and Silo.

854
00:39:29,613 --> 00:39:30,533
Speaker 5: What's a fruity twat?

855
00:39:30,653 --> 00:39:31,813
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm going to google that.

856
00:39:39,053 --> 00:39:42,773
Speaker 1: Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams

857
00:39:42,933 --> 00:39:44,973
Speaker 1: Afternoons News Talk ZIVY.

858
00:39:45,933 --> 00:39:48,133
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon. Sure it is six past two, so

859
00:39:48,173 --> 00:39:51,573
Speaker 3: we're carrying on this conversation because so many people we're

860
00:39:51,613 --> 00:39:53,213
Speaker 3: texting through and want to have a chat on oh,

861
00:39:53,293 --> 00:39:55,293
Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. This is after Chris

862
00:39:55,373 --> 00:39:58,973
Speaker 3: Hopkins challenge Christopher Luxon and this is a line that

863
00:39:59,013 --> 00:40:01,013
Speaker 3: they've tatted out time and time again that he's out

864
00:40:01,053 --> 00:40:03,773
Speaker 3: of touch. The latest one was on their new capital

865
00:40:03,813 --> 00:40:08,493
Speaker 3: gains tax policy. Chris Hipkins said, why should people like

866
00:40:08,573 --> 00:40:11,373
Speaker 3: Christopher Luxen be able to earn more than six hundred

867
00:40:11,413 --> 00:40:13,813
Speaker 3: thousand dollars in one year from selling properties while the

868
00:40:13,933 --> 00:40:16,133
Speaker 3: people who don't have that go out and work hard

869
00:40:16,173 --> 00:40:18,172
Speaker 3: every day for a living and have to pay tax

870
00:40:18,253 --> 00:40:19,053
Speaker 3: on every single dollar.

871
00:40:19,333 --> 00:40:21,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, So really the question we're asking on O. E.

872
00:40:21,253 --> 00:40:23,293
Speaker 2: One hundred and eighteen eighty years. Does being rich and

873
00:40:23,333 --> 00:40:27,693
Speaker 2: successful now against you in politics and New Zealand or

874
00:40:27,773 --> 00:40:28,933
Speaker 2: has this always been an argument?

875
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Speaker 3: I'm not so sure. It seems to me in my.

876
00:40:31,893 --> 00:40:34,373
Speaker 2: Perception, that it's being ramped up more and more. Certainly,

877
00:40:34,693 --> 00:40:39,373
Speaker 2: John Key wasn't hassled as much about his success as

878
00:40:39,493 --> 00:40:42,653
Speaker 2: Christopher Luxon is. So is that a change or is

879
00:40:42,693 --> 00:40:43,853
Speaker 2: it just a different person?

880
00:40:44,173 --> 00:40:44,373
Speaker 3: Yeah?

881
00:40:44,613 --> 00:40:47,213
Speaker 2: You know, and John Key had famously had that story

882
00:40:47,293 --> 00:40:49,732
Speaker 2: of growing up in a state house in christ Church

883
00:40:49,773 --> 00:40:53,413
Speaker 2: with a solo mum. But yeah, do you want to

884
00:40:53,453 --> 00:40:56,933
Speaker 2: be led by successful business people who then go into politics,

885
00:40:57,053 --> 00:41:00,213
Speaker 2: or people that have been focused and understand politics their

886
00:41:00,253 --> 00:41:02,893
Speaker 2: whole lives, or people that have been doing it hard

887
00:41:02,973 --> 00:41:05,053
Speaker 2: in the trenches and know how it feels to be

888
00:41:05,933 --> 00:41:06,773
Speaker 2: at the bottom.

889
00:41:06,893 --> 00:41:09,933
Speaker 3: Is really the question where asking oh, eight, one hundred

890
00:41:09,933 --> 00:41:11,533
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty is that number to call? So

891
00:41:11,613 --> 00:41:13,253
Speaker 3: many techs have been coming.

892
00:41:13,213 --> 00:41:16,813
Speaker 2: Through afternoon, gentlemen, says tenis so sorry, but this conversation

893
00:41:17,013 --> 00:41:19,573
Speaker 2: is doing my head In question, do I understand that

894
00:41:19,733 --> 00:41:22,693
Speaker 2: before a doctor is able to practice feminine medicine they

895
00:41:22,733 --> 00:41:25,013
Speaker 2: need to be a woman? That concept is insane? Is

896
00:41:25,053 --> 00:41:27,732
Speaker 2: expecting the Prime Minister to experience poverty before he can

897
00:41:27,893 --> 00:41:30,893
Speaker 2: take the role. These ridiculous arguments that prime minister has

898
00:41:30,933 --> 00:41:33,733
Speaker 2: a team of ministers who entrusted to various portfolios, the

899
00:41:33,893 --> 00:41:37,613
Speaker 2: PM delegates and managers. He doesn't need experience and everything.

900
00:41:37,893 --> 00:41:40,933
Speaker 2: I'm so so tired of miserable people focusing on something

901
00:41:40,973 --> 00:41:43,733
Speaker 2: as unimportant as what politicians do in their private lives.

902
00:41:44,173 --> 00:41:46,973
Speaker 2: Every employee is entitled to a private life, including all

903
00:41:47,053 --> 00:41:47,813
Speaker 2: public servants.

904
00:41:47,893 --> 00:41:48,693
Speaker 3: They are entitled.

905
00:41:49,413 --> 00:41:52,253
Speaker 2: There are internal audits, let's leave it to them. The

906
00:41:52,333 --> 00:41:55,093
Speaker 2: only thing I require from my House of Representatives is

907
00:41:55,413 --> 00:41:59,013
Speaker 2: grow our business. That's what they are employed by us

908
00:41:59,133 --> 00:42:02,013
Speaker 2: to do. If salaries are a focus, then they may

909
00:42:02,133 --> 00:42:04,333
Speaker 2: need to have a quick look at the salaries conditions

910
00:42:04,493 --> 00:42:07,733
Speaker 2: high court judges get make the PM salary look ridiculous.

911
00:42:07,973 --> 00:42:11,533
Speaker 2: Thank you for your robust discussion, kind regards, Tina nice text.

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Speaker 3: I mean, just on that point, I would like to

913
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Speaker 3: see leaders go through some challenges in their life, and

914
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Speaker 3: arguably Christoph Luxon has had some challenges as well. John

915
00:42:19,973 --> 00:42:23,333
Speaker 3: Key certainly had challenges in his life. But how can

916
00:42:23,413 --> 00:42:25,413
Speaker 3: you understand the ins and outs and the woes and

917
00:42:25,453 --> 00:42:28,493
Speaker 3: the challenges of everyday people if you don't come across

918
00:42:28,613 --> 00:42:31,533
Speaker 3: that it's some stage. And I'll break it down even

919
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Speaker 3: further that if someone, for example, comes from a very

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Speaker 3: wealthy family and I feel that they haven't actually earned

921
00:42:37,413 --> 00:42:39,692
Speaker 3: that wealth, I would see them very differently to how

922
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Speaker 3: I see in this case Christopher Luxe and John Key

923
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Speaker 3: or even Chris Hopkins. They are all self made people,

924
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Speaker 3: and there's a lot of respect I have for those people,

925
00:42:47,293 --> 00:42:49,413
Speaker 3: but you still need to have an element there that

926
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Speaker 3: they know what it's like to face challenges or be

927
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Speaker 3: on the bones of your ass and maybe have to

928
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Speaker 3: live paycheck to paycheck at some stage in the life,

929
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Speaker 3: whether it was them or their parents or their grandparents.

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Speaker 3: So I still think that's important.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, right.

932
00:43:04,333 --> 00:43:08,053
Speaker 2: I Mean it's interesting because from the left they often

933
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Speaker 2: attack the success of the people on the right side

934
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Speaker 2: this situation with Christopher Luxen, But from the right they

935
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Speaker 2: attack people like Hipkins for you know, studying political science

936
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Speaker 2: at university, then becoming a parliamentary advisor and then going

937
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Speaker 2: into parliament. So both sides attack each other for not

938
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Speaker 2: having experience in the right way, you know. So the

939
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Speaker 2: attack on Luxen is that he's out of touch, because

940
00:43:38,213 --> 00:43:39,973
Speaker 2: you know, he's done well in life, right, And so

941
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Speaker 2: that's why there's so many attacks. As we keep pointing out,

942
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Speaker 2: this one from the New Zealand Abor Party luxeen is

943
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Speaker 2: out of tax, out of touch, has no idea what

944
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Speaker 2: it's like for most New Zealanders strugging to pay bills.

945
00:43:49,933 --> 00:43:53,453
Speaker 2: That was from Instagram in August this year. But equally,

946
00:43:54,053 --> 00:43:57,893
Speaker 2: you know, the text machines full of people attacking Hipkins

947
00:43:58,213 --> 00:44:03,173
Speaker 2: for just spending his life in taxpayer paid jobs within politics.

948
00:44:02,773 --> 00:44:04,613
Speaker 3: Right, which is fair criticism, you know for a lot

949
00:44:04,653 --> 00:44:06,133
Speaker 3: of people that is not the real world.

950
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Speaker 2: Well but maybe but also surely if you you know, okay,

951
00:44:12,213 --> 00:44:14,293
Speaker 2: So what I'm trying to say, Tyler, is that you

952
00:44:14,453 --> 00:44:18,653
Speaker 2: can if the argument is as this text here says,

953
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Speaker 2: where is it? Does a prison guard have to be

954
00:44:23,493 --> 00:44:25,493
Speaker 2: in prison for a year to actually understand how a

955
00:44:25,533 --> 00:44:29,772
Speaker 2: prisoner feels, or does maybe have to have a small

956
00:44:29,813 --> 00:44:33,093
Speaker 2: toe amputated so you understand pain and disability? Ridiculous premise

957
00:44:33,533 --> 00:44:35,573
Speaker 2: to think that you have to be poor to be empathetic.

958
00:44:36,773 --> 00:44:40,093
Speaker 2: So but you could easily say that, you know, Hipkins,

959
00:44:40,133 --> 00:44:42,333
Speaker 2: having never been part of business, will run a business?

960
00:44:43,013 --> 00:44:44,813
Speaker 2: Does he have to have run a business to understand

961
00:44:44,813 --> 00:44:46,853
Speaker 2: how business works? You see what I'm saying, yes both ways,

962
00:44:46,933 --> 00:44:49,293
Speaker 2: which is very fair. Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty

963
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Speaker 2: is that number to call Craig Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 21: Hey guys, you hey, we've already had appoint minister that

965
00:44:55,733 --> 00:44:58,013
Speaker 21: workman a prison ship. Shold the look where she got.

966
00:45:00,413 --> 00:45:00,613
Speaker 3: Well.

967
00:45:00,653 --> 00:45:03,373
Speaker 2: To be fair, Christoph Luxen did work in McDonald's for

968
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Speaker 2: a long time when he was younger.

969
00:45:05,733 --> 00:45:08,133
Speaker 21: Listen, we just come on and go out and w

970
00:45:08,373 --> 00:45:12,373
Speaker 21: twenty million in lotto and everybody's saying how wonderful it is,

971
00:45:12,533 --> 00:45:15,933
Speaker 21: and good on them. Someone who's twenty million through share

972
00:45:16,093 --> 00:45:18,933
Speaker 21: hard work and taken miss and they're a rich thrick.

973
00:45:21,133 --> 00:45:26,013
Speaker 21: You know, we've got it all wrong. And what Preciptions

974
00:45:26,093 --> 00:45:33,013
Speaker 21: is doing is politically very well. Also stated he wants

975
00:45:33,053 --> 00:45:38,213
Speaker 21: to go after the wealthy. Socialism hates the wealthy, that

976
00:45:38,453 --> 00:45:40,973
Speaker 21: they're doing a great job of bringing the middle class

977
00:45:41,053 --> 00:45:46,373
Speaker 21: down and the lower class middle class are becoming very annoyed.

978
00:45:46,453 --> 00:45:49,053
Speaker 21: So they're bringing in the lack of empathy from the

979
00:45:49,133 --> 00:45:51,933
Speaker 21: wealthy and that kind of thing so he can get

980
00:45:52,013 --> 00:45:56,573
Speaker 21: the support to go after them. This is very dangerous

981
00:45:56,693 --> 00:46:01,773
Speaker 21: what he's doing, and that the guy does not have

982
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Speaker 21: people that are doing it toss their interests in mind.

983
00:46:05,893 --> 00:46:11,093
Speaker 21: If he did, he would be celebrating success, celebrating the

984
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Speaker 21: people that are making six hundred k a year on

985
00:46:14,693 --> 00:46:19,573
Speaker 21: houses or whatever. I'm working today in a house in Constante.

986
00:46:19,733 --> 00:46:23,173
Speaker 21: The house is absolutely gutting. Before I left site, i

987
00:46:23,333 --> 00:46:27,973
Speaker 21: counted up what we've had today. There's six builders, there's

988
00:46:28,013 --> 00:46:30,933
Speaker 21: a digger operator, there's me and my truck. There was

989
00:46:30,973 --> 00:46:34,333
Speaker 21: a drain layer. There are other people coming and going.

990
00:46:34,933 --> 00:46:39,653
Speaker 21: They're paying thousands. These rich bricks are paying thousands of

991
00:46:39,853 --> 00:46:46,133
Speaker 21: dollars this day to people they don't even know to

992
00:46:46,293 --> 00:46:49,853
Speaker 21: get another house done. That should be celebrated.

993
00:46:51,293 --> 00:46:55,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an interesting idea that someone else's success is

994
00:46:55,453 --> 00:47:00,133
Speaker 2: at your expense, because you know, you want an economy

995
00:47:00,173 --> 00:47:03,493
Speaker 2: in New Zealand where you know it's growing and growing.

996
00:47:03,893 --> 00:47:07,693
Speaker 2: And so as you say someone else's success employees other people,

997
00:47:08,733 --> 00:47:10,853
Speaker 2: there is there does seem to be a view in

998
00:47:10,933 --> 00:47:14,172
Speaker 2: this country from some that if someone else is successful,

999
00:47:14,333 --> 00:47:17,133
Speaker 2: that is off the backs of other people. That's not

1000
00:47:17,213 --> 00:47:23,933
Speaker 2: necessarily the case. Sometimes your success is actually helping other

1001
00:47:23,973 --> 00:47:24,653
Speaker 2: people's success.

1002
00:47:25,013 --> 00:47:30,733
Speaker 21: And absolutely, and when when Hapkins gets his way and

1003
00:47:30,893 --> 00:47:33,493
Speaker 21: the greens and that kind of thing, and they've got

1004
00:47:33,733 --> 00:47:37,133
Speaker 21: they've destroyed any wealth in this country and we are

1005
00:47:37,293 --> 00:47:42,453
Speaker 21: living under acist of these people that think there's going

1006
00:47:42,533 --> 00:47:45,053
Speaker 21: to be wealthare and free healthcare and that kind of thing.

1007
00:47:45,093 --> 00:47:49,773
Speaker 21: They've got another thing coming. I know, watch what your support,

1008
00:47:49,973 --> 00:47:52,893
Speaker 21: because what this crowd is doing is trying to do

1009
00:47:53,213 --> 00:47:54,413
Speaker 21: is bloody dangerous.

1010
00:47:55,493 --> 00:47:59,613
Speaker 3: Craig, thank you very much for your phone call. I mean,

1011
00:47:59,893 --> 00:48:01,613
Speaker 3: just when we look at John Ken you mentioned this

1012
00:48:01,733 --> 00:48:03,613
Speaker 3: before that it wasn't such a big thing when he

1013
00:48:03,733 --> 00:48:05,853
Speaker 3: came in to be Prime Minister, that his wealth wasn't

1014
00:48:05,893 --> 00:48:09,733
Speaker 3: targeted to the same level. And you know, there's a

1015
00:48:09,773 --> 00:48:13,652
Speaker 3: big question about why is that Why did John Key

1016
00:48:13,773 --> 00:48:17,453
Speaker 3: manage to escape that sort of targeting from Labor whereas

1017
00:48:17,533 --> 00:48:20,693
Speaker 3: Luxe and they've used it to the nth degree. And

1018
00:48:20,853 --> 00:48:24,093
Speaker 3: is it because he had that backstory or because he

1019
00:48:24,253 --> 00:48:28,093
Speaker 3: was just more empathetic or he had a firmer grasp

1020
00:48:28,173 --> 00:48:30,853
Speaker 3: on what people really care about. I don't know the

1021
00:48:30,893 --> 00:48:33,293
Speaker 3: answer to that question. It's just interesting to me that

1022
00:48:33,373 --> 00:48:35,453
Speaker 3: there's that such difference between.

1023
00:48:35,293 --> 00:48:39,093
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean, maybe you know, Labor was attacking

1024
00:48:39,253 --> 00:48:42,093
Speaker 2: John Key on his wealth, but it just wasn't sticking.

1025
00:48:42,853 --> 00:48:44,733
Speaker 2: But it does seem to stick with Luxon and Does

1026
00:48:44,773 --> 00:48:47,293
Speaker 2: that mean that the I don't know, the mood of

1027
00:48:47,333 --> 00:48:50,093
Speaker 2: the nation has changed, that those attacks now work, or

1028
00:48:50,293 --> 00:48:53,573
Speaker 2: is that that John key was better at managing them

1029
00:48:53,693 --> 00:48:55,853
Speaker 2: or John Key's story was just better. Yeah, it was

1030
00:48:55,893 --> 00:48:58,133
Speaker 2: a better story. You know, he could just go well,

1031
00:48:58,213 --> 00:49:01,013
Speaker 2: I started off poor and I became rich, whereas Luxeon

1032
00:49:01,053 --> 00:49:02,773
Speaker 2: started off middle class and became rich.

1033
00:49:02,893 --> 00:49:03,053
Speaker 22: Yeah.

1034
00:49:03,093 --> 00:49:04,093
Speaker 3: It's interesting though, isn't that.

1035
00:49:04,213 --> 00:49:07,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, this sick says why can't any of you hosts

1036
00:49:07,173 --> 00:49:09,252
Speaker 2: on zebe except the opinion of people on the left

1037
00:49:09,253 --> 00:49:12,093
Speaker 2: instead of always spouting the agenda of your right wing masters.

1038
00:49:13,013 --> 00:49:15,453
Speaker 3: I just give us your argument and we'll share it.

1039
00:49:15,533 --> 00:49:17,853
Speaker 2: Every single argument that comes up we're trying to share,

1040
00:49:18,733 --> 00:49:21,373
Speaker 2: so so you know, if you've got a really good

1041
00:49:21,413 --> 00:49:25,253
Speaker 2: argument Texter that ends in six to one, send it

1042
00:49:25,333 --> 00:49:28,493
Speaker 2: through and I guarantee I will read that out, Absolutely

1043
00:49:28,653 --> 00:49:31,853
Speaker 2: promise you. I'm going to look up your text texture

1044
00:49:31,893 --> 00:49:33,373
Speaker 2: that says that why can't any of the hosts on

1045
00:49:33,493 --> 00:49:35,453
Speaker 2: zebe except the opinions of people on the list instead

1046
00:49:35,453 --> 00:49:37,933
Speaker 2: of always spouting the agenda of your right wing masters.

1047
00:49:39,253 --> 00:49:42,013
Speaker 2: I can also tell you that there's no agenda in

1048
00:49:42,093 --> 00:49:44,213
Speaker 2: this place. We don't No one even talks to us

1049
00:49:44,253 --> 00:49:46,813
Speaker 2: about anything exactly. I'm quite amazed that people just let

1050
00:49:46,893 --> 00:49:49,733
Speaker 2: us on end and say whatever we want with virtually

1051
00:49:49,813 --> 00:49:50,373
Speaker 2: no oversight.

1052
00:49:50,453 --> 00:49:51,533
Speaker 3: It's a massive roll of the dice.

1053
00:49:51,613 --> 00:49:52,453
Speaker 5: I don't even know who my.

1054
00:49:52,653 --> 00:49:56,293
Speaker 2: Masters are really, but yes, send that through and we'll

1055
00:49:56,333 --> 00:49:58,733
Speaker 2: give your opinion, I absolutely promise.

1056
00:49:58,973 --> 00:50:01,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you can also come through an eight hundred

1057
00:50:01,093 --> 00:50:03,533
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty. That's a free number of courts

1058
00:50:03,813 --> 00:50:06,573
Speaker 3: anytime you want. But we want to hear from other

1059
00:50:06,653 --> 00:50:07,213
Speaker 3: listeners as well.

1060
00:50:07,253 --> 00:50:08,093
Speaker 5: Can you unpack this one?

1061
00:50:08,533 --> 00:50:08,613
Speaker 4: Hi?

1062
00:50:08,733 --> 00:50:11,093
Speaker 2: Guys, Tyler, your analogy is saying to be a great

1063
00:50:11,133 --> 00:50:13,613
Speaker 2: all Black they need to have a major injury. While

1064
00:50:13,653 --> 00:50:18,172
Speaker 2: a great story on that. Look at Marananu, he's never

1065
00:50:18,213 --> 00:50:19,853
Speaker 2: had a major injury and he's a great All Black.

1066
00:50:19,973 --> 00:50:22,093
Speaker 3: I don't think that was quite my analogy because you're

1067
00:50:22,093 --> 00:50:23,853
Speaker 3: still on the ground playing as an all Black. So

1068
00:50:23,933 --> 00:50:26,773
Speaker 3: you're there doing it. But thank you very much. Nineteen

1069
00:50:26,853 --> 00:50:29,413
Speaker 3: nine two is that text number? It is seventeen past two?

1070
00:50:29,773 --> 00:50:34,213
Speaker 1: Wow, your home of afternoon talk, Mad Heathen Tyler Adams

1071
00:50:34,373 --> 00:50:38,333
Speaker 1: afternoons call Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty youth Talk said, be.

1072
00:50:39,693 --> 00:50:42,373
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon. Sure it is twenty past two, So

1073
00:50:42,573 --> 00:50:44,413
Speaker 3: does wealth, no matter how, you've got to become a

1074
00:50:44,533 --> 00:50:46,933
Speaker 3: liability if you're a leader in this country. Oh, e

1075
00:50:46,973 --> 00:50:48,413
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number?

1076
00:50:48,613 --> 00:50:50,413
Speaker 2: Guys, It's not that he's out of touch because he

1077
00:50:50,493 --> 00:50:53,133
Speaker 2: is successful. We are rightly attacking him for being out

1078
00:50:53,173 --> 00:50:55,333
Speaker 2: of touch because he is out of touch. Anyone can

1079
00:50:55,373 --> 00:50:56,973
Speaker 2: be out of touch. Why are you saying they out

1080
00:50:56,973 --> 00:50:59,652
Speaker 2: of a touch? Attacks are about wealth? My kids are

1081
00:50:59,653 --> 00:51:00,853
Speaker 2: out of touch. They aren't wealthy.

1082
00:51:02,413 --> 00:51:05,252
Speaker 3: I mean you can definitely be out out of touch

1083
00:51:06,293 --> 00:51:06,973
Speaker 3: for being.

1084
00:51:08,973 --> 00:51:09,973
Speaker 5: And not be wealthy.

1085
00:51:10,173 --> 00:51:12,013
Speaker 3: It's a good point. Generational out of touch.

1086
00:51:12,253 --> 00:51:14,732
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, well, you know like you do, try

1087
00:51:14,773 --> 00:51:16,212
Speaker 2: and keep your kids a little bit out of touch

1088
00:51:16,253 --> 00:51:17,533
Speaker 2: for as long as you can. So, I mean you

1089
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Speaker 2: don't want them to be fully in touch, you know

1090
00:51:19,413 --> 00:51:21,933
Speaker 2: otherwise that we have no be a tough childhood. You

1091
00:51:21,973 --> 00:51:23,373
Speaker 2: don't want the full horror of the world to be

1092
00:51:23,493 --> 00:51:26,173
Speaker 2: down on top of them. As long as possible, let

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00:51:26,253 --> 00:51:28,333
Speaker 2: them know they're fun. Yeah, at least up to ten.

1094
00:51:28,893 --> 00:51:32,013
Speaker 2: But I would say that this labor party post Luxon

1095
00:51:32,093 --> 00:51:33,652
Speaker 2: is out of touch and has no idea what it's

1096
00:51:33,773 --> 00:51:36,093
Speaker 2: like for most New Zealander is struggling to pay bills

1097
00:51:36,853 --> 00:51:39,373
Speaker 2: from August twenty twenty five on Instagram. I would say

1098
00:51:39,453 --> 00:51:44,173
Speaker 2: that that is attacking him on his perceived wealth.

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00:51:44,933 --> 00:51:47,013
Speaker 5: You know, it's it's definitely.

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00:51:48,653 --> 00:51:51,813
Speaker 2: You know, it may not be directly saying it, but

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00:51:51,813 --> 00:51:54,853
Speaker 2: there's no one that could read that that isn't saying that.

1102
00:51:54,973 --> 00:51:57,693
Speaker 2: It can't see that they're saying that he is wealthy

1103
00:51:58,413 --> 00:52:01,172
Speaker 2: and therefore doesn't understand what it's like for people paying

1104
00:52:01,213 --> 00:52:02,213
Speaker 2: their bills, right, yeah.

1105
00:52:02,053 --> 00:52:06,212
Speaker 3: One hundred percent. Yeah, Peter, you reckon Luxon is fair game.

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00:52:07,373 --> 00:52:12,093
Speaker 18: Absolutely, And if you look at the results of prime ministers,

1107
00:52:12,293 --> 00:52:17,333
Speaker 18: which prime minister increased the standard of living in people

1108
00:52:17,573 --> 00:52:21,773
Speaker 18: and New Zealand's economic well being. I haven't seen one

1109
00:52:21,853 --> 00:52:25,813
Speaker 18: prime minister since the Labor Party's first Prime minister, Michael

1110
00:52:25,893 --> 00:52:29,613
Speaker 18: Joseph Savage, who did state housing and all that sort

1111
00:52:29,613 --> 00:52:34,333
Speaker 18: of stuff, and he was not a billionaire. And John Key,

1112
00:52:34,893 --> 00:52:39,413
Speaker 18: I think was popular because he was rich and people thought, oh,

1113
00:52:39,493 --> 00:52:41,493
Speaker 18: he's rich, so he'll look after the country. Well what

1114
00:52:41,613 --> 00:52:42,053
Speaker 18: did he do.

1115
00:52:42,213 --> 00:52:42,973
Speaker 23: He sold.

1116
00:52:45,013 --> 00:52:48,093
Speaker 18: Forty nine percent of the electricity companies and a lot

1117
00:52:48,093 --> 00:52:49,853
Speaker 18: of people say, oh, I don't disagree with that, but

1118
00:52:49,933 --> 00:52:52,413
Speaker 18: he's you know, I support that party and I'll vote

1119
00:52:52,453 --> 00:52:56,053
Speaker 18: for them. And what has the Labor Party done when

1120
00:52:56,493 --> 00:52:59,573
Speaker 18: in office? Will they signed up to the new ferries?

1121
00:52:59,613 --> 00:53:02,773
Speaker 18: They didn't put in the budget the cost of the infrastructure.

1122
00:53:02,853 --> 00:53:07,693
Speaker 18: What is this new coalition government do? They had to

1123
00:53:07,773 --> 00:53:10,373
Speaker 18: pay the ancelation fees because they didn't do their job

1124
00:53:10,453 --> 00:53:13,653
Speaker 18: properly and they didn't want to change the tax system

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00:53:13,973 --> 00:53:18,133
Speaker 18: onw on property. Well they did want to change it

1126
00:53:18,293 --> 00:53:22,373
Speaker 18: regardless of the budget fallout. So so if you like property,

1127
00:53:22,493 --> 00:53:25,733
Speaker 18: and this is whether it's Australia or other countries, you

1128
00:53:25,813 --> 00:53:27,652
Speaker 18: know that seems to be the policy. And a lot

1129
00:53:27,693 --> 00:53:30,692
Speaker 18: of politicians do own property and they are fair game,

1130
00:53:30,813 --> 00:53:35,133
Speaker 18: especially if they're a prime minister who changes the you know,

1131
00:53:35,253 --> 00:53:37,973
Speaker 18: the taxation on property while they're prime minister, and you

1132
00:53:38,053 --> 00:53:41,573
Speaker 18: could argue that, you know, he's fair game simply on

1133
00:53:41,693 --> 00:53:42,733
Speaker 18: that basis alone.

1134
00:53:43,013 --> 00:53:46,613
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we all agree, Peter that politicians are

1135
00:53:46,653 --> 00:53:49,373
Speaker 2: fair game and we're never going to live in a

1136
00:53:49,413 --> 00:53:51,373
Speaker 2: world where an opposition party doesn't come up with the

1137
00:53:51,453 --> 00:53:54,692
Speaker 2: tack lines. But we're just really asking whether there's been

1138
00:53:54,773 --> 00:53:57,732
Speaker 2: a shift in the way people think. So you say,

1139
00:53:57,813 --> 00:54:01,173
Speaker 2: John Key, he came and it was celebrated, I believe,

1140
00:54:01,253 --> 00:54:03,653
Speaker 2: and this is how I remember I might be remembering

1141
00:54:03,653 --> 00:54:07,653
Speaker 2: it wrong. His success was celebrated and seeing a strength

1142
00:54:07,813 --> 00:54:11,613
Speaker 2: as a strength when it came to campaigning as such.

1143
00:54:12,253 --> 00:54:15,053
Speaker 2: So really the question we're asking Peters, does being rich

1144
00:54:15,093 --> 00:54:17,973
Speaker 2: and successful now account against you in politics in New

1145
00:54:18,093 --> 00:54:21,053
Speaker 2: Zealand in a way it didn't before. Do you think

1146
00:54:21,093 --> 00:54:22,573
Speaker 2: that's a case. Do you think there's been a shift

1147
00:54:22,653 --> 00:54:27,453
Speaker 2: in our thinking? Because you know what the pushback that

1148
00:54:27,853 --> 00:54:31,213
Speaker 2: Christph Luxeen got when he said I'm sorted for example,

1149
00:54:31,653 --> 00:54:33,373
Speaker 2: you know why do you think there was so much

1150
00:54:34,253 --> 00:54:36,213
Speaker 2: or am I wrong? Was there just the same pushback

1151
00:54:36,253 --> 00:54:38,853
Speaker 2: on John Key? It just didn't stick well.

1152
00:54:38,973 --> 00:54:40,893
Speaker 18: I think John Key, because he didn't have so much

1153
00:54:40,973 --> 00:54:44,893
Speaker 18: money invested in property, he was a harder target for that.

1154
00:54:45,053 --> 00:54:47,653
Speaker 18: But the Labor Party did try and attack him for

1155
00:54:47,773 --> 00:54:51,573
Speaker 18: one of his previous employers in America, and that didn't

1156
00:54:51,613 --> 00:54:53,933
Speaker 18: sort of work that well because a lot of people

1157
00:54:53,973 --> 00:54:57,453
Speaker 18: didn't understand what they were getting at, and so that failed.

1158
00:54:57,693 --> 00:55:01,692
Speaker 18: They failed to attack him, and he went because they

1159
00:55:01,773 --> 00:55:04,973
Speaker 18: attacked and they actually promoted. I mean he did quite well.

1160
00:55:05,453 --> 00:55:09,973
Speaker 18: Whereas I think the current Prome ministers has political IQ,

1161
00:55:10,213 --> 00:55:12,413
Speaker 18: if you like, is not as clever as John Key,

1162
00:55:13,133 --> 00:55:15,053
Speaker 18: and I wouldn't be surprised if he's going to be

1163
00:55:15,173 --> 00:55:19,493
Speaker 18: replaced you in the next twelve months or in the

1164
00:55:19,613 --> 00:55:23,133
Speaker 18: next couple of years. I just don't think he's got

1165
00:55:23,213 --> 00:55:27,213
Speaker 18: the political instinct of you know, someone for that position

1166
00:55:27,333 --> 00:55:30,493
Speaker 18: really and he hasn't really had a life in politics either.

1167
00:55:31,213 --> 00:55:35,173
Speaker 18: And as for people who are in parliament as advisors

1168
00:55:35,253 --> 00:55:37,933
Speaker 18: to an office and become leaders and all that, I

1169
00:55:38,053 --> 00:55:42,973
Speaker 18: don't like those sort of people becoming parliamentarians either because

1170
00:55:42,973 --> 00:55:44,213
Speaker 18: they're just all in it for the.

1171
00:55:46,013 --> 00:55:48,493
Speaker 3: Who's the perfect is it the Michael Joseph Savage, is

1172
00:55:48,573 --> 00:55:51,853
Speaker 3: that the sort of perfect background to become into politics.

1173
00:55:52,773 --> 00:55:57,533
Speaker 18: Well, I'm judging them on results, not on what they are.

1174
00:55:57,773 --> 00:56:00,613
Speaker 18: So you think anyone anyone the country.

1175
00:56:00,533 --> 00:56:03,013
Speaker 2: Right, So you're saying, basically, it doesn't matter how they

1176
00:56:03,093 --> 00:56:06,333
Speaker 2: get there or what their background is. It's what they

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00:56:06,453 --> 00:56:10,053
Speaker 2: do when they're in there, and anyone is capable of

1178
00:56:10,493 --> 00:56:12,933
Speaker 2: of you know, the right person is capable of doing

1179
00:56:13,413 --> 00:56:13,772
Speaker 2: the job.

1180
00:56:14,733 --> 00:56:17,813
Speaker 18: And it's the evidence they leave behind the legacy. And

1181
00:56:17,853 --> 00:56:21,333
Speaker 18: if you look at the legacies have lots of American politicians,

1182
00:56:21,773 --> 00:56:24,453
Speaker 18: they seem to get very wealthy when they leave. And

1183
00:56:24,653 --> 00:56:26,533
Speaker 18: in the current prison in the US, he seems to

1184
00:56:26,573 --> 00:56:29,172
Speaker 18: be get very wealthy, and some people think he's made

1185
00:56:29,213 --> 00:56:32,693
Speaker 18: more money than anyone else while he's been president.

1186
00:56:33,853 --> 00:56:35,493
Speaker 5: Look at the Barack Obama's house.

1187
00:56:35,613 --> 00:56:39,213
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, hypocritic.

1188
00:56:41,013 --> 00:56:44,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, the amount to the Mount Tony Blair made when

1189
00:56:44,133 --> 00:56:47,453
Speaker 2: he They all do pretty well that that that kind

1190
00:56:47,493 --> 00:56:49,973
Speaker 2: of stuff is scary, how much they get paid to

1191
00:56:50,013 --> 00:56:53,893
Speaker 2: speak on Wall Street and stuff. But what do you think, Peter,

1192
00:56:54,173 --> 00:56:56,293
Speaker 2: just quickly before we go about the argument that's coming

1193
00:56:56,333 --> 00:57:00,573
Speaker 2: through now that people basically to you know, politicians should

1194
00:57:00,573 --> 00:57:03,373
Speaker 2: have lived in poverty for great periods of time to

1195
00:57:03,413 --> 00:57:04,213
Speaker 2: fully understand what.

1196
00:57:04,253 --> 00:57:06,212
Speaker 3: It's like to be poor.

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00:57:07,373 --> 00:57:09,533
Speaker 18: Well, I think that it's an argument. It's just to

1198
00:57:09,653 --> 00:57:13,533
Speaker 18: say that politicians are so disconnected. They live in a

1199
00:57:13,693 --> 00:57:19,013
Speaker 18: very structured bubble on who they speak to. Their secretaries

1200
00:57:19,253 --> 00:57:21,733
Speaker 18: sort of say who they can associate with, or what

1201
00:57:21,853 --> 00:57:24,933
Speaker 18: correspondence they see and all that sort of stuff. I

1202
00:57:25,053 --> 00:57:27,293
Speaker 18: knew someone who used to work for Derek Quiglynn. He

1203
00:57:27,453 --> 00:57:31,893
Speaker 18: was the one who did the coup for taking on Muldoon.

1204
00:57:32,053 --> 00:57:35,573
Speaker 18: I knew his senior private secretary and then his senior

1205
00:57:35,613 --> 00:57:40,693
Speaker 18: private secretary were Muldoon lasted the coup, didn't lose his

1206
00:57:40,853 --> 00:57:43,453
Speaker 18: job as Prime minister. He went on to work for

1207
00:57:43,533 --> 00:57:48,893
Speaker 18: Maldoon because he would have known everyone who was against Muldoon.

1208
00:57:49,053 --> 00:57:52,773
Speaker 18: And then this particular senior private secretary rang me in

1209
00:57:52,853 --> 00:57:55,893
Speaker 18: the nineteen eighty four elections. See Peter, what's happening out there?

1210
00:57:55,933 --> 00:57:58,613
Speaker 18: I said, Oh, well, Maulddudn's lost labor are definitely going

1211
00:57:58,693 --> 00:58:01,013
Speaker 18: to win. And what did he do? He went on

1212
00:58:01,253 --> 00:58:07,373
Speaker 18: to become David Longi's senior private secretary and the civil

1213
00:58:07,413 --> 00:58:11,293
Speaker 18: Service to a hotel guests and we know they're always

1214
00:58:11,413 --> 00:58:11,933
Speaker 18: checking out.

1215
00:58:12,573 --> 00:58:13,093
Speaker 5: Well there we go.

1216
00:58:13,213 --> 00:58:15,413
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's the that's the plot to the

1217
00:58:15,493 --> 00:58:18,653
Speaker 3: TV series. Yes, minister, Yeah, interesting insight, Thank you very much.

1218
00:58:18,693 --> 00:58:20,933
Speaker 3: Beat it. It is twenty seven pas too back in.

1219
00:58:20,933 --> 00:58:21,333
Speaker 5: A mow.

1220
00:58:25,173 --> 00:58:28,573
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and

1221
00:58:28,613 --> 00:58:30,573
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on used talks.

1222
00:58:30,373 --> 00:58:33,333
Speaker 3: DB talks, hed b. It is being on half pass too.

1223
00:58:34,253 --> 00:58:37,093
Speaker 2: It's property, you muppets. Getting rich is fine, but flicking

1224
00:58:37,173 --> 00:58:40,333
Speaker 2: property without paying tax to get rich is gross, says

1225
00:58:40,453 --> 00:58:44,293
Speaker 2: this texter. Hi, there, lads, there's nothing really to be

1226
00:58:44,333 --> 00:58:46,453
Speaker 2: gained with having someone like Christoph Luxe and being held

1227
00:58:46,493 --> 00:58:49,213
Speaker 2: back to try and see what it's like to suffer,

1228
00:58:49,293 --> 00:58:51,853
Speaker 2: because he never will, even if you took everything off

1229
00:58:51,933 --> 00:58:53,933
Speaker 2: him today so that he had to start from broke

1230
00:58:54,013 --> 00:58:56,093
Speaker 2: again tomorrow. I beat you by Christmas. He had already

1231
00:58:56,133 --> 00:58:58,653
Speaker 2: be passed half of New Zealand. You'll never hold back

1232
00:58:58,693 --> 00:59:01,813
Speaker 2: someone ambitious. They will just naturally do whatever they have

1233
00:59:01,933 --> 00:59:04,413
Speaker 2: to do to get going again and will be successful

1234
00:59:04,413 --> 00:59:06,533
Speaker 2: again in no time. People just need to change their

1235
00:59:06,573 --> 00:59:09,133
Speaker 2: mindset and stop moaning about all the people that are successful.

1236
00:59:09,613 --> 00:59:12,453
Speaker 2: If somehow we could fix that, New Zealand would be

1237
00:59:12,773 --> 00:59:14,053
Speaker 2: a much better place.

1238
00:59:14,933 --> 00:59:16,653
Speaker 3: Here's Reagan. Yeah, very good text.

1239
00:59:17,933 --> 00:59:20,253
Speaker 2: Give me a rich give me a good, rich politician

1240
00:59:20,333 --> 00:59:22,613
Speaker 2: over a bad poor one any day.

1241
00:59:23,413 --> 00:59:25,613
Speaker 5: Hi guys, Hi boys.

1242
00:59:25,973 --> 00:59:28,493
Speaker 2: I saw Hipkins helping to lift furniture out of flood

1243
00:59:28,533 --> 00:59:31,093
Speaker 2: at homes when Auckland floods were raging. I didn't see

1244
00:59:31,133 --> 00:59:35,013
Speaker 2: any other pollies helping that emergency. Hipkins, like the other pollys,

1245
00:59:35,133 --> 00:59:37,893
Speaker 2: could have just driven past, but he didn't. Chris Hipkins

1246
00:59:37,973 --> 00:59:40,373
Speaker 2: helped out. And I will always remember that. That's from

1247
00:59:40,413 --> 00:59:41,893
Speaker 2: Wayne good On.

1248
00:59:41,933 --> 00:59:45,413
Speaker 3: It's a great thing to do. Good on him. Yeah,

1249
00:59:46,173 --> 00:59:50,893
Speaker 3: and that's a nice one there from Troy. Gents. You

1250
00:59:50,973 --> 00:59:53,173
Speaker 3: may not know this. Yes, I've done a few things.

1251
00:59:53,213 --> 00:59:56,413
Speaker 3: I stood against Chris Luxen for selection and national and

1252
00:59:56,453 --> 00:59:58,773
Speaker 3: botany and got to the top five. So spend quite

1253
00:59:58,773 --> 01:00:01,333
Speaker 3: a bit of time with him. He genuinely worked so hard.

1254
01:00:01,733 --> 01:00:04,413
Speaker 3: And how much money he has or doesn't should not

1255
01:00:04,533 --> 01:00:06,093
Speaker 3: even come into it. That's from Troy.

1256
01:00:06,733 --> 01:00:10,653
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think on ballot after this long conversation,

1257
01:00:11,053 --> 01:00:14,093
Speaker 2: I think you know, there's been arguments on both sides, yep,

1258
01:00:14,773 --> 01:00:19,253
Speaker 2: robust arguments on both sides. But I think anyway, judging

1259
01:00:19,293 --> 01:00:22,253
Speaker 2: by our texts machine, people do not begrudge success in politicians.

1260
01:00:22,373 --> 01:00:24,533
Speaker 3: Yeah, great chat, Thank you very much to everyone who

1261
01:00:24,573 --> 01:00:26,933
Speaker 3: phoned in text on that. Coming up after the headlines,

1262
01:00:27,053 --> 01:00:30,493
Speaker 3: let's have a chat about jury service. Many of us

1263
01:00:30,573 --> 01:00:32,373
Speaker 3: get the call up and it turns out, Mett Heath,

1264
01:00:32,733 --> 01:00:34,413
Speaker 3: you have just got your call up.

1265
01:00:34,693 --> 01:00:35,293
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right.

1266
01:00:36,333 --> 01:00:38,613
Speaker 2: I deferred it, but now I have to go in

1267
01:00:39,053 --> 01:00:41,333
Speaker 2: and do my jury service. Is that Is that something

1268
01:00:41,373 --> 01:00:43,613
Speaker 2: I should be annoyed about or proud about?

1269
01:00:44,013 --> 01:00:44,213
Speaker 4: You know?

1270
01:00:44,493 --> 01:00:48,533
Speaker 2: And should we stop pushing back and deferring jury services

1271
01:00:48,653 --> 01:00:50,573
Speaker 2: and just suck it up for the good of the nation,

1272
01:00:51,133 --> 01:00:53,693
Speaker 2: for the good of this great country of ours and

1273
01:00:53,773 --> 01:00:55,493
Speaker 2: our justice system and just go along.

1274
01:00:55,693 --> 01:00:57,573
Speaker 3: Yep? And not defer it.

1275
01:00:58,013 --> 01:00:59,973
Speaker 2: And ye would like to hear your thoughts on jury

1276
01:01:00,013 --> 01:01:02,773
Speaker 2: service and your experiences doing jury service.

1277
01:01:02,813 --> 01:01:04,773
Speaker 3: Oh eight, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that

1278
01:01:04,933 --> 01:01:08,773
Speaker 3: number to call? Nine to ninety two Jury Service love

1279
01:01:08,813 --> 01:01:10,653
Speaker 3: to get your stories. That is twenty eight to three.

1280
01:01:10,733 --> 01:01:14,173
Speaker 2: And apologies to all the hundreds and hundreds of texts

1281
01:01:14,173 --> 01:01:16,533
Speaker 2: we didn't get to read out and all the calls

1282
01:01:16,613 --> 01:01:19,693
Speaker 2: we couldn't go to. We just had too many, so many.

1283
01:01:20,293 --> 01:01:22,253
Speaker 3: We love you, you know that. Yeah, so that's why

1284
01:01:22,293 --> 01:01:23,653
Speaker 3: we gave it an hour and a half. Yeap, he'd

1285
01:01:23,653 --> 01:01:25,453
Speaker 3: got to move on. Do headlines coming up?

1286
01:01:27,733 --> 01:01:28,373
Speaker 6: Jus talks.

1287
01:01:28,413 --> 01:01:32,133
Speaker 8: It'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis. It's no trouble

1288
01:01:32,213 --> 01:01:35,653
Speaker 8: with a blue bubble. There are no guarantees Anchor Mainland

1289
01:01:35,733 --> 01:01:38,733
Speaker 8: and Carpetee products will always be made with New Zealand

1290
01:01:38,813 --> 01:01:42,933
Speaker 8: dairy Fonterra Farmer shareholders have voted overwhelmingly in favor of

1291
01:01:43,053 --> 01:01:47,253
Speaker 8: selling the iconic Kiwi brands to French company Lactalis for

1292
01:01:47,373 --> 01:01:50,893
Speaker 8: four point two billion dollars. There are two new measles

1293
01:01:51,013 --> 01:01:55,213
Speaker 8: cases in Auckland, bringing the national total to thirteen. National

1294
01:01:55,293 --> 01:01:58,533
Speaker 8: public health services. Dr Nick Chamberlain says the risk of

1295
01:01:58,613 --> 01:02:00,533
Speaker 8: exposure across the country.

1296
01:02:00,333 --> 01:02:01,213
Speaker 3: Is very high.

1297
01:02:02,253 --> 01:02:04,613
Speaker 8: Well the nine hundred thousand New Zealanders could be at

1298
01:02:04,693 --> 01:02:07,693
Speaker 8: risk of a major flooding event if the climate warms

1299
01:02:07,853 --> 01:02:12,573
Speaker 8: three grease. A teen cricketer has died in Australia, struck

1300
01:02:12,733 --> 01:02:14,973
Speaker 8: in the head and neck warming up for a match.

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Speaker 8: Road Works on Transmission Gully north of Wellington begin next week.

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Speaker 8: They're set to cause disruption through summer. Firefighters are threatening

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Speaker 8: to strike again despite heading back to the bargaining table.

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Speaker 8: The NZED Professional Firefighters Unions issued too notices for one

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Speaker 8: hour full stoppages from midday for next Friday and the

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Speaker 8: following week. The problems with our electoral system and what's

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Speaker 8: needed to fix them. You can read the full column

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Speaker 8: at ENZ Herald Premium. Back to Matt Eathan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: News Talk ZED B. Thank you very much. Raylean. It

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Speaker 3: is twenty four to three. So let's have a chat

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Speaker 3: about this jury service.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of a cathartic check for me because I'm

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Speaker 2: being forced to go in and do jury service.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I do want it. I've got a romantic

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01:03:00,013 --> 01:03:01,173
Speaker 3: idea of it and I want to be part of

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01:03:01,213 --> 01:03:02,733
Speaker 3: the system. And I want to see how it works.

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Speaker 2: And I've never done it before, but I was randomly

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Speaker 2: selected and then deferred it.

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Speaker 5: Now and now I'm going in. But you know, I

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Speaker 5: just want to ask question.

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Speaker 2: Is it something that we should willingly and happily do

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01:03:15,733 --> 01:03:19,293
Speaker 2: instead of acting like it's an inconvenience. Is it something

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Speaker 2: that we should see as a duty in our lives.

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Speaker 3: Would it be better if they did it on the weekend.

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Speaker 3: I'm just trying that out there randomly because at the moment, Look,

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Speaker 3: it's a lot about life admin for yourself. You've got

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Speaker 3: a live radio show that you do that you kind

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Speaker 3: of have to be there during Monday to Friday. If

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Speaker 3: they just had a couple of jury trials on the weekend,

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Speaker 3: that would suck for you, but it would least it

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Speaker 3: would make life Edmond a little bit easier to sort.

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Speaker 3: Do they do no court on the weekend at all?

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Speaker 14: No?

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Speaker 3: No, hell no, no, no, no, Well that's bloody stupid.

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Speaker 3: It is night court. What about night court? You could finish,

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Speaker 3: You could finish at four o'clock and then shoot down

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Speaker 3: to night court. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, I think we've solved

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Speaker 3: this already. Well, don't they do it on.

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Speaker 2: The weekend, because I mean even if it's even you know,

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Speaker 2: even if some of.

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Speaker 3: It was in the weekend, then it would help. You know,

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Speaker 3: I think lawyers charged quite a bit, so they call

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01:04:04,813 --> 01:04:05,973
Speaker 3: out it's like a test match.

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Speaker 2: You know, you have some of the days of Test

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Speaker 2: match across the weekend, so people can go, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Oh, eight one hundred eighty ten to eighty. If you've

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Speaker 3: recently been caught up for jury service, how did it go?

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Speaker 3: What kind of trial was it? If you can speak

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Speaker 3: of it, speak about it obviously, if it has been

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01:04:21,133 --> 01:04:24,173
Speaker 3: underway incompleted, you can say most of the things as

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Speaker 3: we understand it. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten.

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Speaker 2: Eighty Graham, welcome the show. Sounds like you're not a

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Speaker 2: fan of jury duty.

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Speaker 22: Hey, just a quick comment on the previous topic. Absolutely,

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Speaker 22: John Key got nailed by the left. He was the

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Speaker 22: recipient of the infamous Michael cullen rich Pricks comment Parliament.

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Speaker 3: Yeah took us an hour and a half and we

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Speaker 3: forgot that. Thanks but anyway, but it didn't stick. It

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Speaker 3: didn't It didn't stick, did it, Graham? That's training It

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01:04:52,733 --> 01:04:53,493
Speaker 3: didn't stick.

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Speaker 2: Like yeah, Teflon John matchless much. I think for some

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Speaker 2: reason Luxon is just a bit more sticky when it

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Speaker 2: comes to the barbs.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, anyway, anyway, moving on, Yeah, be careful what you

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01:05:06,533 --> 01:05:11,653
Speaker 22: wish for jury service. Honestly, I've done it twice, and yeah,

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Speaker 22: the most unfulfilling first time was the most unfulfilling experience

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Speaker 22: in my life, because you know, you're not there to

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Speaker 22: I guess, decide what should happen to the defendant. You

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Speaker 22: are just there to administer justice, says per the legal system. So,

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Speaker 22: first case was grandmother was looking after her two grandchildren.

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Speaker 22: Mother had kind of dumped them at the grandchild's gone

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Speaker 22: off with their boyfriends. They got some got picked up,

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Speaker 22: breaking car. Earl was by the police. Didn't want to

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Speaker 22: tell the cops where he lived, but in the end

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Speaker 22: they found out he was with his grandmother. So it

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Speaker 22: turns out that she was beating the kids with all

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Speaker 22: sorts of things, sticks and her fists and all of

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Speaker 22: this sort of stuff. So there's a son and a

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Speaker 22: daughter and on the face of it, it was a

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Speaker 22: clear cut assault case. So there was twenty five charges

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Speaker 22: and we convicted her on eighteen. But diving deeper, the

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Speaker 22: kids had never been attending school regularly before. When since

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Speaker 22: unless until they went to their grandmothers. They were getting

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Speaker 22: three square meals a day generally speaking, their discipline and

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Speaker 22: things had improved. So the answer wasn't to jail the grandmother.

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Speaker 22: It was to get her some help to bring up

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Speaker 22: the kids. Case took about two years to get to court,

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Speaker 22: and between times kids had gone back to live with

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Speaker 22: their mother. The daughter, who was fourteen at the time

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Speaker 22: she was removed from my grandmother, was sixteen and pregnant

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Speaker 22: by the time the case got to court, and we

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Speaker 22: were just kind of going, well, the answer here is

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Speaker 22: not to convict the grandmother, and the judge was like,

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Speaker 22: it's not your job to play welfare advocate to administer

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Speaker 22: the law as it stands. And I found it the

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Speaker 22: most mentally draining thing that I've ever done in my life.

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Speaker 22: For five days, you know, there was lots of detail

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Speaker 22: that the family came in and they were all her

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Speaker 22: daughter's testified for her and said what a great mum

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Speaker 22: she was and stuff like that. But yeah, and you know,

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Speaker 22: the evidence was pretty horrific and stuff as well, and yeah,

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Speaker 22: I was just so you so you so, you know.

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Speaker 2: My romantic idea of your going and to you know,

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01:07:28,093 --> 01:07:30,973
Speaker 2: do your bit for your country and your society and

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Speaker 2: the justice system that we all depend on. When the

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Speaker 2: actual reality hits the road, it's sort of the banal

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Speaker 2: horror of it all that hits you way to describe it, Graham.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, But plus it's the waiting around, like you get

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Speaker 22: taken out of the court all the time while the

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Speaker 22: judge has discussions with the lawyers and so you're in

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Speaker 22: and out and out.

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Speaker 4: It gets us Like I was talking to a.

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Speaker 22: Woman that had been called up, and she she had

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Speaker 22: been in a trial for two days and then one

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Speaker 22: of the jurors suddenly remembered they knew the defendant and

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01:08:04,453 --> 01:08:06,893
Speaker 22: it was a financial fraud case. So she said she'd

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01:08:07,013 --> 01:08:09,653
Speaker 22: just been listening to two days of just this, you know,

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01:08:09,773 --> 01:08:12,533
Speaker 22: forensic accounting stuff, and their head was about to explode.

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01:08:13,853 --> 01:08:16,293
Speaker 22: And then the judge called a mistrial and she thought, great,

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Speaker 22: I'm out.

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Speaker 4: I'm going home.

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01:08:17,613 --> 01:08:19,213
Speaker 22: And they said, oh, you jurists have to go back

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Speaker 22: into the pool, back to sit around waiting for a

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Speaker 22: name to be called again, you know. And there's a

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Speaker 22: lot of that that goes on as well, Like you know,

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01:08:32,013 --> 01:08:33,852
Speaker 22: people think, oh, I'll get called up and I'll get

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01:08:33,853 --> 01:08:36,972
Speaker 22: it on trial. Finally, enough, have been called up twice

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Speaker 22: and got on the jury both times. I don't know,

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Speaker 22: must look.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, do you do you mind describing yourself?

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01:08:45,492 --> 01:08:48,372
Speaker 2: Do they take many details of what your job is

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01:08:48,853 --> 01:08:51,692
Speaker 2: and such that you were such the perfect person that

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Speaker 2: you get the.

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Speaker 22: Jury not at all a lawyer for he said, wear

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01:08:55,933 --> 01:08:57,972
Speaker 22: a suit and you'll never make it to the jury.

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01:08:58,093 --> 01:09:01,293
Speaker 22: And they kind of call a pool of fifty of

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01:09:01,333 --> 01:09:02,852
Speaker 22: a year. Go up to the courtroom and they start

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01:09:02,933 --> 01:09:05,092
Speaker 22: calling your names, and as you walk across the courtroom,

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01:09:05,612 --> 01:09:07,492
Speaker 22: the defense can just go object. Like they don't have

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01:09:07,572 --> 01:09:11,253
Speaker 22: to say why or anything like that. They just say object.

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01:09:11,572 --> 01:09:13,972
Speaker 22: So I'm standing in my suit thinking, yes, this will

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01:09:14,013 --> 01:09:16,572
Speaker 22: be a laydown moseir. There's no way they're picking me.

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01:09:17,213 --> 01:09:20,333
Speaker 22: You know, wrong ethnicity, male, you know, on root of

1446
01:09:20,372 --> 01:09:24,372
Speaker 22: all evil as far as most people believe, strolling across

1447
01:09:24,492 --> 01:09:26,172
Speaker 22: the court room just waiting for her to go object.

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01:09:26,492 --> 01:09:28,972
Speaker 22: Got to the tree box set down. So yeah, five

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01:09:29,053 --> 01:09:29,692
Speaker 22: days of hell.

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01:09:30,612 --> 01:09:32,933
Speaker 2: So that's so at that point, at that point, the

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01:09:32,973 --> 01:09:36,812
Speaker 2: people that could object, you know, the lawyers, they have

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01:09:36,933 --> 01:09:39,412
Speaker 2: some information on you, they know your profession and such.

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01:09:39,732 --> 01:09:44,213
Speaker 22: No, no, they don't know anything. They look they they

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01:09:45,133 --> 01:09:48,012
Speaker 22: they get a they might get a list of names

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01:09:48,053 --> 01:09:51,652
Speaker 22: of who the people are and stuff, but you don't

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01:09:51,692 --> 01:09:55,732
Speaker 22: fill out your occupation or your political beliefs or anything

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01:09:55,772 --> 01:09:55,893
Speaker 22: like that.

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01:09:55,933 --> 01:09:58,133
Speaker 2: That's I don't know that because I was thinking I

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01:09:58,133 --> 01:10:00,933
Speaker 2: would turn up and they'd go, we're not getting some

1460
01:10:01,253 --> 01:10:02,532
Speaker 2: wounder from news talks.

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Speaker 3: He'd be on this jury. That's great to watch. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I've never been on a jury, but I've reported on

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01:10:07,013 --> 01:10:08,973
Speaker 3: quite a few trials. And you see the walk up

1464
01:10:09,133 --> 01:10:11,852
Speaker 3: and the lawyers just look up and down, and sometimes

1465
01:10:11,973 --> 01:10:13,973
Speaker 3: they wait till they ride in the jury box and

1466
01:10:14,013 --> 01:10:16,253
Speaker 3: that challenge, and you see the look on some of

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01:10:16,293 --> 01:10:18,692
Speaker 3: those some of the potential jurors faces. Some of them

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01:10:18,732 --> 01:10:20,492
Speaker 3: get really think it like a can't walk?

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01:10:20,532 --> 01:10:20,692
Speaker 4: Do you?

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01:10:21,173 --> 01:10:23,173
Speaker 5: You know you start walking? Funny, I mean, what do

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01:10:23,253 --> 01:10:23,412
Speaker 5: you do?

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Speaker 22: I guess if you five the prosecutor said this moto

1473
01:10:27,652 --> 01:10:31,733
Speaker 22: is going down the courtroom, you'll probably get yourself.

1474
01:10:31,452 --> 01:10:35,412
Speaker 4: Out of it. But yeah, i'd recommend there.

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01:10:36,013 --> 01:10:40,173
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, thank you, thank you, thank you so much

1476
01:10:40,173 --> 01:10:40,532
Speaker 5: for your care.

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01:10:40,572 --> 01:10:40,852
Speaker 4: Graham.

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01:10:40,973 --> 01:10:44,572
Speaker 5: Well, it's not what it's not it's not it's not.

1479
01:10:44,652 --> 01:10:45,812
Speaker 4: It's not what you're thinking of them.

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01:10:45,893 --> 01:10:49,412
Speaker 3: Yeah, sorry, okay, yeah, okay, Right, you've just put the

1481
01:10:49,452 --> 01:10:52,412
Speaker 3: fear of God and Matt now, oh one hundred eighty

1482
01:10:52,532 --> 01:10:55,173
Speaker 3: ten eighty. If you've recently done jury sums love to

1483
01:10:55,293 --> 01:10:57,852
Speaker 3: hear what happened for you? Nine two ninety two is

1484
01:10:57,853 --> 01:10:59,852
Speaker 3: a text number as well. It is quarter to three,

1485
01:11:00,652 --> 01:11:02,293
Speaker 3: a fresh take on talk back.

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Speaker 6: It's Mad Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons. Have your say

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01:11:05,973 --> 01:11:07,652
Speaker 6: on eight hundred eighty eight.

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01:11:07,853 --> 01:11:11,173
Speaker 3: You talked thirteen to three. We're talking jury service. Matt's

1489
01:11:11,173 --> 01:11:13,333
Speaker 3: got the call up, so we want to hear your stories.

1490
01:11:13,372 --> 01:11:15,333
Speaker 3: And if you've recently been called up to a jury,

1491
01:11:15,652 --> 01:11:17,253
Speaker 3: how did it go? Oh one hundred and eighty ten

1492
01:11:17,293 --> 01:11:18,173
Speaker 3: eighty set number call.

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01:11:18,692 --> 01:11:21,492
Speaker 2: I watched rommantic comedy starring Matthew McConaughey and a room

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01:11:21,572 --> 01:11:24,173
Speaker 2: full of potential jurors and went home because we're no

1495
01:11:24,333 --> 01:11:25,412
Speaker 2: longer needed needed.

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01:11:25,853 --> 01:11:27,932
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, it sounds like a good day. All right,

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01:11:27,973 --> 01:11:28,253
Speaker 3: there you go.

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01:11:28,372 --> 01:11:31,572
Speaker 2: I deferred jury service twice in the last fourteen months.

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01:11:31,732 --> 01:11:34,013
Speaker 2: I'd be keen to do it, but they can't afford me,

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01:11:34,293 --> 01:11:35,293
Speaker 2: and I can't afford to do it.

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01:11:35,732 --> 01:11:37,452
Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't pay that much. It's just a sense

1502
01:11:37,492 --> 01:11:41,692
Speaker 3: of duty. Yeah, well yeah, I mean if they what

1503
01:11:41,853 --> 01:11:43,972
Speaker 3: do they pay. That's a good point. Even sound that letter.

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01:11:44,013 --> 01:11:46,572
Speaker 3: It might sound that letter. I think. Someone please correct

1505
01:11:46,572 --> 01:11:48,293
Speaker 3: me if I'm wrong. But I believe it's about eighty

1506
01:11:48,333 --> 01:11:51,253
Speaker 3: dollars a day. So if you're in there and court

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01:11:51,333 --> 01:11:54,572
Speaker 3: opens at nine am, sometimes goes until five pm, so

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01:11:54,692 --> 01:11:58,093
Speaker 3: that's a full eight hours. Well, they should pay me

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01:11:58,173 --> 01:12:01,372
Speaker 3: what I'm getting paid here. They should pay me well

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01:12:01,532 --> 01:12:04,013
Speaker 3: grupt the justice system. They should pay me what my

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01:12:04,053 --> 01:12:06,412
Speaker 3: cost ging is getting paid here. That would be nice, Actually,

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01:12:06,772 --> 01:12:09,412
Speaker 3: that would be really nice. R. How are you mate?

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01:12:11,732 --> 01:12:11,852
Speaker 7: Right?

1514
01:12:12,652 --> 01:12:13,372
Speaker 18: Yeah, good mate?

1515
01:12:13,853 --> 01:12:15,973
Speaker 10: Sorry, I was on speaking in the wind. So you

1516
01:12:15,973 --> 01:12:16,612
Speaker 10: get into a ship.

1517
01:12:17,652 --> 01:12:19,612
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you for worrying about call quality. I

1518
01:12:19,612 --> 01:12:20,173
Speaker 3: appreciate that.

1519
01:12:21,652 --> 01:12:25,412
Speaker 10: I have never been allowed to do jury service?

1520
01:12:26,013 --> 01:12:26,333
Speaker 3: What's that?

1521
01:12:26,612 --> 01:12:31,093
Speaker 10: And I said this Laton Smith? Once upon time I

1522
01:12:31,173 --> 01:12:33,572
Speaker 10: told him the same thing. So let's how long is

1523
01:12:33,772 --> 01:12:37,572
Speaker 10: you know? This goes back and and he and he said,

1524
01:12:37,612 --> 01:12:37,893
Speaker 10: why not?

1525
01:12:38,093 --> 01:12:38,372
Speaker 9: Just like you?

1526
01:12:38,492 --> 01:12:39,972
Speaker 7: He said, if you've got a criminal record.

1527
01:12:40,732 --> 01:12:42,812
Speaker 10: I said, no, I'm a JP and we're not allowed

1528
01:12:42,853 --> 01:12:43,093
Speaker 10: to do it.

1529
01:12:45,013 --> 01:12:47,652
Speaker 3: Why I thought I thought a JP would be exactly

1530
01:12:47,893 --> 01:12:49,133
Speaker 3: you want doing jury service.

1531
01:12:49,812 --> 01:12:51,572
Speaker 10: That's what Laden said. He said, that's the sort of

1532
01:12:51,652 --> 01:12:53,612
Speaker 10: the other sort of buggers. We want this sort of thing,

1533
01:12:53,812 --> 01:12:54,612
Speaker 10: you know, but.

1534
01:12:56,532 --> 01:12:57,293
Speaker 3: Very similar people.

1535
01:12:57,893 --> 01:13:01,372
Speaker 5: He's got better your part. Sometimes he's got a better beauty.

1536
01:13:02,973 --> 01:13:05,452
Speaker 10: He won't have as much, he won't as much money

1537
01:13:05,492 --> 01:13:12,052
Speaker 10: as you. But any no, because we've come up against

1538
01:13:12,812 --> 01:13:15,612
Speaker 10: unsavory people in their part of our other job as

1539
01:13:15,612 --> 01:13:20,532
Speaker 10: a JPS, and so with the I guess it's for

1540
01:13:20,652 --> 01:13:25,173
Speaker 10: protection as well, right, I don't know, because we're just

1541
01:13:25,293 --> 01:13:26,013
Speaker 10: never allowed to do it.

1542
01:13:26,612 --> 01:13:28,692
Speaker 3: How do you become a JP? I should know this.

1543
01:13:29,372 --> 01:13:31,732
Speaker 3: I've dealt with JP a lot for various things over

1544
01:13:31,772 --> 01:13:34,732
Speaker 3: the years. Is you you apply to be a JP?

1545
01:13:35,013 --> 01:13:35,053
Speaker 4: No?

1546
01:13:35,572 --> 01:13:38,572
Speaker 10: No, no, definitely not definitely not No. Well, I can

1547
01:13:38,772 --> 01:13:43,132
Speaker 10: speak for myself. I've done a lot of I'm guessing

1548
01:13:43,173 --> 01:13:47,932
Speaker 10: it's because I did a pivot of voluntary stuff, which

1549
01:13:48,372 --> 01:13:52,013
Speaker 10: I guess someone talking to mine. But it's a long

1550
01:13:52,093 --> 01:13:55,253
Speaker 10: process anyway, because I was a mountain safety instructor for

1551
01:13:55,372 --> 01:13:59,732
Speaker 10: ten years, SUSI and rescue member for ten years, john

1552
01:13:59,812 --> 01:14:00,732
Speaker 10: member for twelve years.

1553
01:14:00,893 --> 01:14:03,972
Speaker 3: Amazing and or voluntary.

1554
01:14:05,053 --> 01:14:07,732
Speaker 10: But I got a lever from the local member of

1555
01:14:07,772 --> 01:14:10,812
Speaker 10: parliament and he said that I'd been recommended to be

1556
01:14:11,133 --> 01:14:14,013
Speaker 10: by someone in the public to become a Justice of

1557
01:14:14,053 --> 01:14:16,933
Speaker 10: the peace, and because he knew me, he agreed, and

1558
01:14:17,053 --> 01:14:20,452
Speaker 10: he's going to recommend it to the Minister of Justice,

1559
01:14:20,492 --> 01:14:21,452
Speaker 10: who was Jeffrey Palmer.

1560
01:14:22,692 --> 01:14:23,333
Speaker 9: And then he.

1561
01:14:25,173 --> 01:14:26,213
Speaker 18: And don't get a letter from.

1562
01:14:26,093 --> 01:14:28,093
Speaker 10: Him saying pretty much the same thing that the Member

1563
01:14:28,133 --> 01:14:32,253
Speaker 10: of Parliament has told him about me, da da and

1564
01:14:32,933 --> 01:14:34,412
Speaker 10: from what he had read, he had greed and he's

1565
01:14:34,452 --> 01:14:37,612
Speaker 10: going to recommend it to the Chief Justice. And then

1566
01:14:37,652 --> 01:14:41,772
Speaker 10: I got a letter from sharlt Lyas who was the

1567
01:14:41,853 --> 01:14:44,372
Speaker 10: Chief Justice, and so we're going back at while and

1568
01:14:45,612 --> 01:14:47,333
Speaker 10: she said much the same thing, and she was going

1569
01:14:47,412 --> 01:14:48,892
Speaker 10: to recommend it to the Governor General.

1570
01:14:49,093 --> 01:14:50,652
Speaker 3: What that goes all the way to the top, It

1571
01:14:50,772 --> 01:14:51,452
Speaker 3: goes to the government.

1572
01:14:52,412 --> 01:14:55,412
Speaker 10: Yeah, I've got another letter from Paul Reeves. So we

1573
01:14:55,492 --> 01:14:59,692
Speaker 10: are going back from Paul Reeves saying all the same thing,

1574
01:14:59,933 --> 01:15:00,372
Speaker 10: very much.

1575
01:15:01,333 --> 01:15:04,333
Speaker 5: And then I was in, yeah, goes goes all the

1576
01:15:04,372 --> 01:15:04,892
Speaker 5: way to the top.

1577
01:15:05,253 --> 01:15:07,253
Speaker 3: So much for you, Catt. All you got to do

1578
01:15:07,372 --> 01:15:09,053
Speaker 3: is become a JP and I'll leave you alone. Have

1579
01:15:09,173 --> 01:15:11,492
Speaker 3: I got time before Monday? What's the Governor General up

1580
01:15:11,532 --> 01:15:13,572
Speaker 3: to now? Should give her a call? It's the Governor

1581
01:15:13,652 --> 01:15:16,412
Speaker 3: General at the moment, Dames, Cindy Cuddle, is this Yeah?

1582
01:15:16,492 --> 01:15:18,972
Speaker 3: I think she's still g and yep, yep, we're getting

1583
01:15:18,973 --> 01:15:21,893
Speaker 3: the nod there. I thought it was Petsy riggern she

1584
01:15:22,013 --> 01:15:24,333
Speaker 3: left ages ago a long time of COO is eight

1585
01:15:24,372 --> 01:15:25,293
Speaker 3: to three, back of the.

1586
01:15:25,293 --> 01:15:28,412
Speaker 1: Mow, the issues that affect you and a bit of

1587
01:15:28,492 --> 01:15:31,773
Speaker 1: fun along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons

1588
01:15:32,013 --> 01:15:32,973
Speaker 1: News Talk said, be.

1589
01:15:34,213 --> 01:15:36,532
Speaker 3: News Talks, hed b it is six to three. We're

1590
01:15:36,532 --> 01:15:39,133
Speaker 3: talking about jury service. If you've recently done it, love

1591
01:15:39,173 --> 01:15:40,812
Speaker 3: to hear from you. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1592
01:15:41,053 --> 01:15:43,412
Speaker 2: I was a big fan of Sir Jerry Mataparai. He

1593
01:15:43,572 --> 01:15:44,492
Speaker 2: was a good governor general.

1594
01:15:44,612 --> 01:15:46,052
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, hell of a soldier.

1595
01:15:46,173 --> 01:15:50,652
Speaker 2: But I'm shocked that Dame Petsy Ready is gone. She

1596
01:15:50,812 --> 01:15:52,053
Speaker 2: was one of the best ones you But when are

1597
01:15:52,053 --> 01:15:53,692
Speaker 2: they going to get Petsy Rigger in there now? She

1598
01:15:53,692 --> 01:15:57,772
Speaker 2: would be like a great country singer and and a

1599
01:15:57,933 --> 01:16:00,253
Speaker 2: great make a great governor general.

1600
01:16:00,333 --> 01:16:02,612
Speaker 3: Yeah, Dame Petsy Rigger, maybe someone should nominate her.

1601
01:16:03,853 --> 01:16:07,612
Speaker 2: I don't know anything about this, Cindy Krol, I don't

1602
01:16:07,612 --> 01:16:09,692
Speaker 2: know anything about her. She she's not doing enough work

1603
01:16:10,013 --> 01:16:12,532
Speaker 2: because you used to know everything about the governor general.

1604
01:16:12,732 --> 01:16:15,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, she she just sort of slacking around. Or something.

1605
01:16:15,293 --> 01:16:16,852
Speaker 3: What's the day to day like for a GG.

1606
01:16:17,213 --> 01:16:18,612
Speaker 5: Sylvia Cartwright was everywhere?

1607
01:16:18,692 --> 01:16:21,732
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, she was huge. Yeah, Sylvia Cartwright was that.

1608
01:16:21,933 --> 01:16:23,452
Speaker 3: That was back in the late nineties, was it?

1609
01:16:23,732 --> 01:16:25,532
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well tell you, I'll tell you it was a

1610
01:16:25,572 --> 01:16:28,932
Speaker 2: good one. Kath is a dame, Yeah it is. Yeah,

1611
01:16:28,973 --> 01:16:29,972
Speaker 2: But sir Paul.

1612
01:16:29,812 --> 01:16:30,492
Speaker 5: Reeves is all right.

1613
01:16:30,732 --> 01:16:32,692
Speaker 3: I can't remember Paul Reefs. That might have been before

1614
01:16:32,732 --> 01:16:37,092
Speaker 3: my time. I can't remember who was the best governor

1615
01:16:37,173 --> 01:16:40,452
Speaker 3: general eighty. Yeah, that's all we're talking about. We're getting

1616
01:16:40,452 --> 01:16:42,492
Speaker 3: plenty of tiks about jury service because Mett's got the

1617
01:16:42,532 --> 01:16:44,212
Speaker 3: call up. He's going to go down to the courthouse

1618
01:16:44,572 --> 01:16:47,892
Speaker 3: sometime next week, so we're keen on your stories. Nine

1619
01:16:47,973 --> 01:16:49,572
Speaker 3: two ninety two is the text number.

1620
01:16:49,452 --> 01:16:51,093
Speaker 2: Got called up twice in five years and was on

1621
01:16:51,173 --> 01:16:54,012
Speaker 2: home detention, Police and Corrections. Cannot do the juris service.

1622
01:16:54,772 --> 01:16:59,333
Speaker 2: She's terry young. I mean, do we want to, you know,

1623
01:16:59,452 --> 01:17:02,052
Speaker 2: flick people's ankle bracelets off and get them into the juris?

1624
01:17:02,133 --> 01:17:02,932
Speaker 5: Is that how it should work?

1625
01:17:03,572 --> 01:17:04,933
Speaker 3: Well, we're not doing anything else, are they?

1626
01:17:05,133 --> 01:17:05,333
Speaker 20: Why?

1627
01:17:05,973 --> 01:17:09,692
Speaker 2: Why why don't we only use retired people? This texta

1628
01:17:09,732 --> 01:17:11,652
Speaker 2: says it's interesting because on the things you can get

1629
01:17:11,692 --> 01:17:13,452
Speaker 2: out of jury service. One of them is if you

1630
01:17:13,532 --> 01:17:14,452
Speaker 2: were over sixty five.

1631
01:17:14,933 --> 01:17:17,452
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can opt out, can't you? At that point?

1632
01:17:17,532 --> 01:17:19,812
Speaker 3: Which is kind of weird because that's the ideal scenario

1633
01:17:19,973 --> 01:17:21,852
Speaker 3: to get people in there who have had they've lived

1634
01:17:21,893 --> 01:17:24,572
Speaker 3: a life, but they need people like yourself, Matt, who's

1635
01:17:24,572 --> 01:17:25,412
Speaker 3: also lived a life.

1636
01:17:26,213 --> 01:17:26,452
Speaker 19: Yeah.

1637
01:17:26,973 --> 01:17:29,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, but unfortunately you've got life Edmund disort out.

1638
01:17:29,612 --> 01:17:31,893
Speaker 2: And also we know what having to Socrates, don't we

1639
01:17:31,933 --> 01:17:33,612
Speaker 2: when he went up in front of a jury of

1640
01:17:33,652 --> 01:17:35,253
Speaker 2: his pairs of rural retired soldiers.

1641
01:17:35,572 --> 01:17:37,692
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's a good point. It wouldn't work out

1642
01:17:38,053 --> 01:17:40,293
Speaker 3: well for you, mate, you're back in three hundred and

1643
01:17:40,333 --> 01:17:42,372
Speaker 3: ninety nine BC. That did not work out great.

1644
01:17:42,492 --> 01:17:44,692
Speaker 2: Having only retired people in the jury, they made a

1645
01:17:44,812 --> 01:17:47,452
Speaker 2: terrible decision and the next thing you know, Socrates munching

1646
01:17:47,492 --> 01:17:48,293
Speaker 2: on the hemlock.

1647
01:17:48,412 --> 01:17:50,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, what a loss. Right, We're going to carry this

1648
01:17:50,293 --> 01:17:53,133
Speaker 3: on after three o'clock at oh one hundred and eighty

1649
01:17:53,133 --> 01:17:54,732
Speaker 3: ten eighty is that number to call If you can't

1650
01:17:54,772 --> 01:17:57,012
Speaker 3: get through, keep trying, and we've got a whole bunch

1651
01:17:57,133 --> 01:18:00,532
Speaker 3: of texts coming through as well. If you've recently been

1652
01:18:00,652 --> 01:18:02,532
Speaker 3: on a jury, how did it go, what was the

1653
01:18:02,732 --> 01:18:06,053
Speaker 3: case and would you do it again? Really? Can you

1654
01:18:06,093 --> 01:18:08,892
Speaker 3: hear your thoughts? New sport and weather as far approaching.

1655
01:18:08,973 --> 01:18:11,252
Speaker 3: Really good to have your company on this Thursday afternoon.

1656
01:18:11,293 --> 01:18:13,412
Speaker 3: As always, stay right here, it will be back very shortly.

1657
01:18:16,372 --> 01:18:20,572
Speaker 1: Your new homes are insaateful and entertaining talk. It's Matte

1658
01:18:20,893 --> 01:18:24,412
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk sebby.

1659
01:18:25,213 --> 01:18:28,213
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon, sire, it is seven past three. Welcome

1660
01:18:28,253 --> 01:18:30,732
Speaker 3: back into the program and we're carrying on our discussion

1661
01:18:30,772 --> 01:18:33,652
Speaker 3: about jury service. Matt Heath has got the letter and

1662
01:18:33,772 --> 01:18:35,932
Speaker 3: got the call up for jury service, but really keen

1663
01:18:36,013 --> 01:18:37,532
Speaker 3: to have a chat with you if you've done it

1664
01:18:37,612 --> 01:18:39,893
Speaker 3: recently or in the past. What was it really like

1665
01:18:40,253 --> 01:18:43,412
Speaker 3: sitting in that jury box, weighing evidence and making decisions

1666
01:18:43,452 --> 01:18:46,253
Speaker 3: that affect whoever was on the stands Oh, eight hundred

1667
01:18:46,333 --> 01:18:48,053
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1668
01:18:48,333 --> 01:18:48,532
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1669
01:18:48,692 --> 01:18:50,772
Speaker 2: Is it something that you should be proud to do

1670
01:18:51,492 --> 01:18:55,053
Speaker 2: and that it's an awesome experience to be doing what

1671
01:18:55,253 --> 01:18:57,452
Speaker 2: you need to do for the good of the justice

1672
01:18:57,532 --> 01:18:59,692
Speaker 2: system of this great country of yours or is it.

1673
01:18:59,692 --> 01:19:01,572
Speaker 3: An annoying thing? You should do everything you can try

1674
01:19:01,612 --> 01:19:03,372
Speaker 3: and to get you can do to try and get

1675
01:19:03,372 --> 01:19:04,852
Speaker 3: out of it. It's either one or the other, isn't it?

1676
01:19:04,933 --> 01:19:10,213
Speaker 3: Really Nicely, I'm being forced to do it, but I

1677
01:19:10,293 --> 01:19:12,412
Speaker 3: also think I should do it. Yeah, there's part of

1678
01:19:12,492 --> 01:19:15,013
Speaker 3: you that is genuinely excited by the prospect of being

1679
01:19:15,053 --> 01:19:16,293
Speaker 3: on a jury right, yeah, and.

1680
01:19:16,492 --> 01:19:17,772
Speaker 5: Being part of it, you know.

1681
01:19:18,133 --> 01:19:23,173
Speaker 3: But what I'm hearing from people texting through it's not great.

1682
01:19:23,213 --> 01:19:25,692
Speaker 3: It's pretty tough going. Yeah, the money isn't great. Food

1683
01:19:25,772 --> 01:19:28,132
Speaker 3: sounds all right though. Really you get a good spread,

1684
01:19:28,213 --> 01:19:30,253
Speaker 3: do you? I think that's what Graham said. My food

1685
01:19:30,333 --> 01:19:30,732
Speaker 3: was lovely.

1686
01:19:30,973 --> 01:19:32,692
Speaker 2: Well, you know that I'm counting my calories at the

1687
01:19:32,692 --> 01:19:34,652
Speaker 2: moment on my Fitness Pal. Oh yes, and I've got

1688
01:19:34,772 --> 01:19:37,812
Speaker 2: as long as it hits my exact macros. Does the

1689
01:19:37,853 --> 01:19:39,892
Speaker 2: food and jury service hit my macros? Because I need

1690
01:19:39,933 --> 01:19:45,013
Speaker 2: the exact balance of protein and carbs, you know, to

1691
01:19:47,652 --> 01:19:51,013
Speaker 2: be in fit condition, perfect condition for my marathon on

1692
01:19:51,053 --> 01:19:51,692
Speaker 2: two and a half weeks.

1693
01:19:51,732 --> 01:19:53,293
Speaker 3: Have they thought about that? That is the picture of

1694
01:19:53,333 --> 01:19:55,293
Speaker 3: the judge and you'll say just go home, we don't

1695
01:19:55,333 --> 01:19:57,213
Speaker 3: need you. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is

1696
01:19:57,213 --> 01:20:00,213
Speaker 3: that number, Richard? You have recently been involved in jury service?

1697
01:20:01,333 --> 01:20:01,492
Speaker 14: Ah?

1698
01:20:01,612 --> 01:20:02,412
Speaker 4: Yeah, I am, yeah.

1699
01:20:03,293 --> 01:20:04,013
Speaker 3: And what was it like?

1700
01:20:07,013 --> 01:20:09,692
Speaker 20: I started out as a relative of the interesting process.

1701
01:20:09,772 --> 01:20:12,692
Speaker 20: I was interested in the whole jury selection process and

1702
01:20:12,732 --> 01:20:15,932
Speaker 20: that sort of thing. And then once the trial starts,

1703
01:20:15,973 --> 01:20:20,692
Speaker 20: so she starts out pretty captivating them, but after you know,

1704
01:20:20,973 --> 01:20:23,732
Speaker 20: week one, week two, drag them the week three sort

1705
01:20:23,772 --> 01:20:26,092
Speaker 20: of over the whole process.

1706
01:20:26,372 --> 01:20:26,532
Speaker 4: Here.

1707
01:20:28,452 --> 01:20:30,852
Speaker 3: And what was the trial you were on Richard? Was

1708
01:20:30,893 --> 01:20:31,732
Speaker 3: it quite a full on one?

1709
01:20:33,692 --> 01:20:36,213
Speaker 20: Yeah? Pretty much. It was a murder trial for some

1710
01:20:36,692 --> 01:20:38,532
Speaker 20: gang members, right, it's.

1711
01:20:38,372 --> 01:20:39,972
Speaker 3: A biggie yeah.

1712
01:20:40,812 --> 01:20:43,133
Speaker 2: And so was there any any any any part of

1713
01:20:43,213 --> 01:20:46,093
Speaker 2: it that made you feel, you know, you were doing

1714
01:20:46,173 --> 01:20:48,892
Speaker 2: a civil duty and did you did you feel pride

1715
01:20:48,933 --> 01:20:51,213
Speaker 2: and being involved in the process at all?

1716
01:20:51,293 --> 01:20:51,612
Speaker 10: Richard?

1717
01:20:52,893 --> 01:20:53,053
Speaker 4: Oh?

1718
01:20:53,093 --> 01:20:56,652
Speaker 20: I sort of felt, you know, proud and doing majority

1719
01:20:56,652 --> 01:20:58,933
Speaker 20: as long as the other people on the jury. You know,

1720
01:20:58,973 --> 01:21:02,612
Speaker 20: I've been up for selection before and hadn't made it,

1721
01:21:02,812 --> 01:21:04,973
Speaker 20: and I thought, you know, when you line up this time,

1722
01:21:05,053 --> 01:21:07,293
Speaker 20: you think there's no chance in hell, I'm going to

1723
01:21:07,612 --> 01:21:10,253
Speaker 20: sort of get on here, and then all of a

1724
01:21:10,293 --> 01:21:13,133
Speaker 20: sudden your name gets pulled out and I think of it.

1725
01:21:13,253 --> 01:21:14,933
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, And so.

1726
01:21:15,253 --> 01:21:17,013
Speaker 2: You know, when you're walking across, are you thinking I

1727
01:21:17,093 --> 01:21:19,293
Speaker 2: hope I get picked or you're thinking, I hope I

1728
01:21:19,412 --> 01:21:20,253
Speaker 2: get passed over.

1729
01:21:22,692 --> 01:21:23,053
Speaker 20: This time.

1730
01:21:23,133 --> 01:21:23,372
Speaker 4: I was.

1731
01:21:23,652 --> 01:21:24,772
Speaker 22: I hope I get picked.

1732
01:21:25,173 --> 01:21:27,492
Speaker 20: You know, I was interesting and seeing how the judicial

1733
01:21:27,572 --> 01:21:28,452
Speaker 20: system sort of worked.

1734
01:21:28,532 --> 01:21:32,492
Speaker 3: Yeah, And who was the foreman in the end? Did

1735
01:21:32,532 --> 01:21:33,372
Speaker 3: you put your hand up for that?

1736
01:21:35,572 --> 01:21:35,692
Speaker 7: Uh?

1737
01:21:35,893 --> 01:21:37,532
Speaker 20: No, No, We just sort of sat around the table

1738
01:21:37,572 --> 01:21:40,013
Speaker 20: and stared at each other until some young fellow sat

1739
01:21:40,093 --> 01:21:41,133
Speaker 20: up and said, I'll be the foreman.

1740
01:21:43,213 --> 01:21:44,692
Speaker 3: It's probably the best way to do it. That if

1741
01:21:44,732 --> 01:21:47,212
Speaker 3: someone's loath to be the foreman, they're probably the best place.

1742
01:21:47,093 --> 01:21:49,452
Speaker 20: For it, right Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1743
01:21:50,013 --> 01:21:53,333
Speaker 2: And so so how did the how you imagined it,

1744
01:21:53,452 --> 01:21:56,492
Speaker 2: how you picture jury service? How did that match reality?

1745
01:21:56,652 --> 01:21:56,932
Speaker 3: Richard?

1746
01:21:58,293 --> 01:22:01,452
Speaker 20: It's nothing compared to what you see on TV. It

1747
01:22:01,652 --> 01:22:04,612
Speaker 20: is the complete officers to what you see on TV.

1748
01:22:05,013 --> 01:22:05,253
Speaker 14: Yeah.

1749
01:22:05,893 --> 01:22:08,812
Speaker 20: So it's so you just got to be very intentive.

1750
01:22:08,853 --> 01:22:10,412
Speaker 20: You got to sit there and listen and take it

1751
01:22:10,492 --> 01:22:15,253
Speaker 20: all in and look and observe and everything constantly for

1752
01:22:15,372 --> 01:22:16,772
Speaker 20: the period that you're in the core room.

1753
01:22:17,372 --> 01:22:17,612
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1754
01:22:18,452 --> 01:22:21,932
Speaker 2: And so does it get is it, you know, hearing

1755
01:22:22,013 --> 01:22:24,213
Speaker 2: the evidence, is it, for want of a better word,

1756
01:22:24,253 --> 01:22:27,732
Speaker 2: exciting or is it is it? Does it become boring

1757
01:22:27,812 --> 01:22:28,372
Speaker 2: and mundane?

1758
01:22:29,732 --> 01:22:33,973
Speaker 20: It becomes a bit tedious, boring and mundane. You know,

1759
01:22:34,093 --> 01:22:39,093
Speaker 20: the judges are very quietly spoken. Yeah, there's no theatrics

1760
01:22:39,213 --> 01:22:41,213
Speaker 20: or yelling and screaming or anything like that.

1761
01:22:42,293 --> 01:22:42,652
Speaker 18: Rules.

1762
01:22:43,732 --> 01:22:46,372
Speaker 20: No, no, no, you know, yeah, there's no sort of.

1763
01:22:46,452 --> 01:22:51,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, the truth, you can't handle the truth.

1764
01:22:51,333 --> 01:22:52,852
Speaker 5: That kind of stuff isn't really going.

1765
01:22:52,772 --> 01:22:55,173
Speaker 20: Yeah, no, it's not going down at all. It's a

1766
01:22:55,293 --> 01:22:58,732
Speaker 20: very polite sort of yeah. Yeah, And what do you.

1767
01:22:58,732 --> 01:22:59,093
Speaker 5: Think of that?

1768
01:22:59,173 --> 01:23:02,333
Speaker 2: You know, because the whole idea of the jury system

1769
01:23:02,612 --> 01:23:06,253
Speaker 2: is that you get you know, if you're accused of something,

1770
01:23:06,372 --> 01:23:08,492
Speaker 2: you get judged by a jury of your peer is

1771
01:23:08,572 --> 01:23:10,532
Speaker 2: so when you look down around the jury room, did

1772
01:23:10,572 --> 01:23:13,452
Speaker 2: you think, well, this is a good group of people

1773
01:23:13,772 --> 01:23:19,093
Speaker 2: that are worthy of judging someone and competent to judge, judge,

1774
01:23:19,133 --> 01:23:21,692
Speaker 2: you know, make a decision on someone's innocence or guilt.

1775
01:23:22,973 --> 01:23:25,612
Speaker 20: Yeah, yeah, we did. We we had a mixed jury.

1776
01:23:25,692 --> 01:23:31,173
Speaker 20: You know, there's a few elderly people, couple retired, few

1777
01:23:31,213 --> 01:23:33,812
Speaker 20: middle age, some young ones in their twenties, and some

1778
01:23:34,372 --> 01:23:36,372
Speaker 20: even younger ones. You know, so we had we had

1779
01:23:36,372 --> 01:23:40,812
Speaker 20: a good mix of you know, students, business people, working people,

1780
01:23:42,053 --> 01:23:44,372
Speaker 20: and yeah, homebodies.

1781
01:23:44,853 --> 01:23:48,933
Speaker 3: Do you reckon, You'll do it again? Richard, Nah, you

1782
01:23:49,053 --> 01:23:49,692
Speaker 3: try and get out of it.

1783
01:23:49,732 --> 01:23:49,932
Speaker 19: Done.

1784
01:23:50,412 --> 01:23:53,372
Speaker 20: Yeah, I'm done and have made it. It's if I

1785
01:23:53,492 --> 01:23:56,213
Speaker 20: was to do it again, you'd want to be something

1786
01:23:56,253 --> 01:23:59,093
Speaker 20: short and sweet, you know, about a week long. You know,

1787
01:23:59,173 --> 01:24:01,093
Speaker 20: we were we were due for four weeks and we're

1788
01:24:01,133 --> 01:24:02,732
Speaker 20: lucky it ended in three, you know.

1789
01:24:03,133 --> 01:24:05,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, do you do? You know what the trial

1790
01:24:05,253 --> 01:24:07,532
Speaker 3: is before you get called? You get the beer basics,

1791
01:24:07,572 --> 01:24:07,732
Speaker 3: do you.

1792
01:24:09,173 --> 01:24:09,372
Speaker 14: Yeah?

1793
01:24:09,372 --> 01:24:11,372
Speaker 20: When you get to when you're the letter there, they

1794
01:24:11,933 --> 01:24:15,452
Speaker 20: say that there's a possibility of a four week trial,

1795
01:24:16,532 --> 01:24:19,093
Speaker 20: you know, so you have to sort of either clear

1796
01:24:19,093 --> 01:24:21,853
Speaker 20: your calendar or or come up with excuses.

1797
01:24:21,973 --> 01:24:22,173
Speaker 18: Yeah.

1798
01:24:22,532 --> 01:24:22,692
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1799
01:24:22,853 --> 01:24:25,732
Speaker 3: One one says there's a possibility of a six week trial.

1800
01:24:25,933 --> 01:24:29,892
Speaker 3: Sex weeks. Yeah yeah, biggie, Yeah, that might be there

1801
01:24:29,973 --> 01:24:30,572
Speaker 3: might be murder.

1802
01:24:30,812 --> 01:24:33,692
Speaker 5: It might be you doing the show by yourself to Christmas. Tyler.

1803
01:24:35,692 --> 01:24:38,492
Speaker 3: Thank you for your call, Richard. I appreciate it.

1804
01:24:38,812 --> 01:24:38,972
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1805
01:24:39,093 --> 01:24:41,372
Speaker 2: This person says, come on, Matt, you're hardly an essential

1806
01:24:41,452 --> 01:24:42,412
Speaker 2: service to be considered.

1807
01:24:42,933 --> 01:24:43,133
Speaker 4: Leave.

1808
01:24:43,732 --> 01:24:45,812
Speaker 3: Well that's what they've decided you. So I was saying,

1809
01:24:45,812 --> 01:24:49,652
Speaker 3: I'm a special pressing commitment the Matt Heath and Tyler

1810
01:24:49,692 --> 01:24:52,532
Speaker 3: Adams Radio, and they said, we don't care we'll see

1811
01:24:52,572 --> 01:24:55,812
Speaker 3: on court. They said that's rubbish. They don't need you.

1812
01:24:57,772 --> 01:24:58,092
Speaker 5: Ruining.

1813
01:24:58,213 --> 01:24:58,452
Speaker 8: Z B.

1814
01:24:58,893 --> 01:25:01,253
Speaker 3: I love to hear your Cherry service experience.

1815
01:25:01,293 --> 01:25:03,213
Speaker 5: It's thirty past three talk.

1816
01:25:03,772 --> 01:25:06,372
Speaker 3: Sixteen pass three. We're talking about jury service. Matt's got

1817
01:25:06,412 --> 01:25:09,013
Speaker 3: the call up. But Kendy here, you're a experiences. If

1818
01:25:09,013 --> 01:25:10,972
Speaker 3: you've been on a jury recently, how was it? Would

1819
01:25:10,973 --> 01:25:11,532
Speaker 3: you do it again?

1820
01:25:12,652 --> 01:25:18,093
Speaker 2: Just thinking about other radio personalities, as has Kerry would

1821
01:25:18,133 --> 01:25:19,532
Speaker 2: have ever been off for jury service?

1822
01:25:20,013 --> 01:25:20,492
Speaker 7: Good question?

1823
01:25:20,812 --> 01:25:21,812
Speaker 5: As Mike Costking.

1824
01:25:22,133 --> 01:25:25,053
Speaker 3: Mike Costkins never has Marcus Lush. I guess Marcus Lush

1825
01:25:25,093 --> 01:25:26,133
Speaker 3: could do Juris service in.

1826
01:25:26,133 --> 01:25:28,932
Speaker 2: The day and then be a He would love Marcus Lush.

1827
01:25:29,652 --> 01:25:32,532
Speaker 2: Lush would love being on Juris service. That would fit

1828
01:25:32,652 --> 01:25:33,733
Speaker 2: right into his personality.

1829
01:25:34,013 --> 01:25:35,492
Speaker 3: And do you reckon? He'd go with the other jurors,

1830
01:25:35,572 --> 01:25:37,372
Speaker 3: though there'd be a lot of chat about trains and

1831
01:25:37,452 --> 01:25:38,973
Speaker 3: lawn mowers and wheelibans.

1832
01:25:39,412 --> 01:25:39,932
Speaker 5: It's all good.

1833
01:25:40,053 --> 01:25:43,532
Speaker 3: Chair Like, come on, Marcus focus, Yeah, he might have it. Yeah,

1834
01:25:43,532 --> 01:25:45,213
Speaker 3: I mean I'm going to struggle to focus if if

1835
01:25:45,253 --> 01:25:47,013
Speaker 3: I get packed, it's for sure. God, I hope you

1836
01:25:47,053 --> 01:25:51,092
Speaker 3: don't get packed. Just put it in neutral till Christmas.

1837
01:25:52,973 --> 01:25:55,892
Speaker 3: Six weeks I get shoved on a six week trial. Yeah,

1838
01:25:56,812 --> 01:25:58,892
Speaker 3: I mean I'm going to have to ring you from

1839
01:25:58,933 --> 01:26:01,293
Speaker 3: the show and say what's going on. I'm not I'm

1840
01:26:01,333 --> 01:26:03,532
Speaker 3: a jealous co host. I'm not going to allow you

1841
01:26:03,612 --> 01:26:07,692
Speaker 3: to get another partner if I'm away. I'm not allowing

1842
01:26:07,732 --> 01:26:10,253
Speaker 3: you to go a fly solo while you're putting your

1843
01:26:10,253 --> 01:26:11,333
Speaker 3: feet up at Jury Service.

1844
01:26:11,572 --> 01:26:14,092
Speaker 5: I don't want you hessing around with someone else.

1845
01:26:14,013 --> 01:26:17,213
Speaker 3: Getting paid forty dollars a day and having nice spreads. Ellen,

1846
01:26:17,572 --> 01:26:19,652
Speaker 3: welcome to the show, Jury Service.

1847
01:26:19,692 --> 01:26:20,173
Speaker 5: What do you reckon?

1848
01:26:21,532 --> 01:26:22,013
Speaker 14: Yeah, just.

1849
01:26:24,853 --> 01:26:30,972
Speaker 4: Lately on your radio. Don't need yourself and mates down

1850
01:26:31,133 --> 01:26:33,293
Speaker 4: if you go for the jury expect me what you're doing.

1851
01:26:34,293 --> 01:26:34,852
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's true.

1852
01:26:34,893 --> 01:26:41,053
Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, good point. Tyler could breakers as vocal cords. Yeah,

1853
01:26:42,333 --> 01:26:43,812
Speaker 3: we're going to tell this to the judge before you

1854
01:26:43,853 --> 01:26:44,293
Speaker 3: get down there.

1855
01:26:44,333 --> 01:26:44,492
Speaker 4: Mate.

1856
01:26:44,532 --> 01:26:47,532
Speaker 3: These are all good reasons. But Ellen, I take it.

1857
01:26:47,933 --> 01:26:49,452
Speaker 3: I take it you've done it recently, have you?

1858
01:26:50,572 --> 01:26:50,612
Speaker 14: No?

1859
01:26:51,293 --> 01:26:53,932
Speaker 4: No, I'm just sitting in the truck waiting loaded and board.

1860
01:26:57,213 --> 01:27:00,973
Speaker 2: Well, we provide that service to we'll both entertain you

1861
01:27:01,133 --> 01:27:03,652
Speaker 2: just listening to the show or being part of the show. Ellen,

1862
01:27:03,772 --> 01:27:05,612
Speaker 2: So what's your two cents on Jury Service?

1863
01:27:05,692 --> 01:27:05,852
Speaker 11: Then?

1864
01:27:06,053 --> 01:27:07,333
Speaker 3: Whilst you're sitting on the track board.

1865
01:27:08,692 --> 01:27:14,052
Speaker 4: Well, really, I've got out of a couple of times

1866
01:27:14,253 --> 01:27:15,812
Speaker 4: and not going myself.

1867
01:27:15,853 --> 01:27:18,772
Speaker 2: Poofully, you don't think it's your duty as a citizen

1868
01:27:18,853 --> 01:27:20,213
Speaker 2: of this fine nation of ours.

1869
01:27:20,253 --> 01:27:26,732
Speaker 3: Allen, you are right, but I didn't go mm, yeah,

1870
01:27:26,973 --> 01:27:28,972
Speaker 3: you're right. Yeah, fair enough.

1871
01:27:29,173 --> 01:27:31,333
Speaker 2: So Ever, I convinced you next time that the letter

1872
01:27:31,372 --> 01:27:33,972
Speaker 2: comes through, you're going, gosh damn it, I'm gonna take

1873
01:27:34,013 --> 01:27:37,052
Speaker 2: the hit and I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna dress

1874
01:27:37,133 --> 01:27:38,852
Speaker 2: up nice and try and get on the jury this time.

1875
01:27:40,253 --> 01:27:41,612
Speaker 4: No, you don't know how we'll hit it.

1876
01:27:41,652 --> 01:27:43,452
Speaker 5: I am all right, all right.

1877
01:27:45,173 --> 01:27:48,173
Speaker 3: Enough, Allen, go well in that truck, mate, We'll try

1878
01:27:48,173 --> 01:27:50,013
Speaker 3: and keep you entertained. Hey, it tunes out Carrie did

1879
01:27:50,053 --> 01:27:51,452
Speaker 3: actually do jury service.

1880
01:27:52,173 --> 01:27:52,372
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1881
01:27:52,492 --> 01:27:55,612
Speaker 3: So this is an article from twenty eighteen that Tyra

1882
01:27:55,772 --> 01:27:58,213
Speaker 3: has sent through. So I'll just start. I'll just read

1883
01:27:58,253 --> 01:28:00,572
Speaker 3: out the first paragraph here. Finally, my numbers have come in,

1884
01:28:01,053 --> 01:28:03,932
Speaker 3: not sadly in the lotto drawers, she says, carry although

1885
01:28:03,933 --> 01:28:05,732
Speaker 3: I was starting to think the odds are about the same.

1886
01:28:05,812 --> 01:28:07,532
Speaker 3: Note for the first time I have been called up

1887
01:28:07,572 --> 01:28:11,852
Speaker 3: for jury service, so it's it's quite a bit of article.

1888
01:28:11,893 --> 01:28:14,213
Speaker 3: But I'll find out what the extraal do we know

1889
01:28:14,293 --> 01:28:16,412
Speaker 3: what trial she was on? Was it a biggie tyra?

1890
01:28:16,853 --> 01:28:18,973
Speaker 3: We'll find Okay, we'll find that information out.

1891
01:28:19,013 --> 01:28:19,333
Speaker 23: But there you go.

1892
01:28:19,452 --> 01:28:22,293
Speaker 3: So Carrie, what I can do it? Man, there's no excuse.

1893
01:28:22,293 --> 01:28:24,852
Speaker 2: I mean, I just figured that my job would be

1894
01:28:25,692 --> 01:28:28,612
Speaker 2: a special of pressing or pressing commitment for my business

1895
01:28:28,732 --> 01:28:31,372
Speaker 2: or job, so that these are these are the reasons why.

1896
01:28:31,732 --> 01:28:35,173
Speaker 3: You get excused just directly. Your sixty five are over.

1897
01:28:35,492 --> 01:28:38,173
Speaker 2: Yep, no explanation or supporting document is needed. If you're

1898
01:28:38,213 --> 01:28:40,372
Speaker 2: sixty four over, you don't have to do it. You

1899
01:28:40,452 --> 01:28:42,293
Speaker 2: can if you want, but you don't what that is

1900
01:28:42,452 --> 01:28:45,692
Speaker 2: I think people, I think sixty five or over is

1901
01:28:45,732 --> 01:28:48,492
Speaker 2: that you've already you've you've contributed enough to society.

1902
01:28:48,532 --> 01:28:49,973
Speaker 3: You don't that can't ask you if any more. But

1903
01:28:50,013 --> 01:28:50,973
Speaker 3: I think that out.

1904
01:28:51,053 --> 01:28:52,973
Speaker 2: I thought sixty five and over you'd be just the

1905
01:28:53,053 --> 01:28:55,213
Speaker 2: type of people we want on jury service. Although, as

1906
01:28:55,253 --> 01:29:00,853
Speaker 2: I said before, retired people did end did vote for Socrates.

1907
01:29:00,452 --> 01:29:02,372
Speaker 3: To be executed, which is unfortunate.

1908
01:29:02,492 --> 01:29:05,813
Speaker 2: It was, Yeah, he was great man, health or disability

1909
01:29:05,933 --> 01:29:09,372
Speaker 2: a special or process pressing commitment of my business or job,

1910
01:29:09,412 --> 01:29:11,692
Speaker 2: which I thought the Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons

1911
01:29:11,732 --> 01:29:13,372
Speaker 2: on said b would be. But apparently not, and not

1912
01:29:13,492 --> 01:29:18,972
Speaker 2: for Kerry Water either. My family commitments. I live outside

1913
01:29:19,013 --> 01:29:21,772
Speaker 2: the jury district. I am a practicing member of religion

1914
01:29:21,812 --> 01:29:23,852
Speaker 2: that says juris services against its beliefs.

1915
01:29:24,173 --> 01:29:24,293
Speaker 12: Right.

1916
01:29:25,053 --> 01:29:27,293
Speaker 2: I've done juris service in the last two years. I've

1917
01:29:27,333 --> 01:29:29,293
Speaker 2: been excused from juris service for a period that has

1918
01:29:29,372 --> 01:29:31,772
Speaker 2: not yet ended. In the last five years, I've been

1919
01:29:31,812 --> 01:29:34,492
Speaker 2: sentenced to imprisonment or home detention for three months or more.

1920
01:29:35,492 --> 01:29:37,692
Speaker 2: I've been sentenced to imprisonment for three years and more

1921
01:29:38,133 --> 01:29:42,372
Speaker 2: or preventive detention. My job makes me ineligible to be

1922
01:29:42,452 --> 01:29:45,253
Speaker 2: jury service or other personal circumstances. None of those, None

1923
01:29:45,293 --> 01:29:45,893
Speaker 2: of those lie to you.

1924
01:29:46,372 --> 01:29:48,972
Speaker 3: Kerry Woodhem Yeah, oh, one hundred and eighty ten Eightye

1925
01:29:49,013 --> 01:29:49,692
Speaker 3: is that number to call?

1926
01:29:49,933 --> 01:29:55,893
Speaker 2: Niko, Welcome to the show. You've recently did some jury service, Madame.

1927
01:29:56,213 --> 01:29:58,652
Speaker 23: Was honest to tell you. I'm been in New Zealand

1928
01:29:58,732 --> 01:30:01,253
Speaker 23: for twenty five years. I got called up and I

1929
01:30:01,452 --> 01:30:05,412
Speaker 23: was excited like anything. I've thought this said, I'm going to.

1930
01:30:05,452 --> 01:30:06,133
Speaker 18: Do my beauty.

1931
01:30:06,293 --> 01:30:09,012
Speaker 23: All my friends at work said down, it's a total

1932
01:30:09,093 --> 01:30:12,053
Speaker 23: waste of time. And I said, no, I'm going to

1933
01:30:12,173 --> 01:30:16,532
Speaker 23: do it. This was yet in Mannekow So I rocked up.

1934
01:30:18,572 --> 01:30:20,053
Speaker 23: We all said in the room he was about I

1935
01:30:20,093 --> 01:30:23,012
Speaker 23: would say eighty people. They didn't talk to us nothing,

1936
01:30:23,093 --> 01:30:25,933
Speaker 23: There wasn't a word spoken. A lady walks in. She

1937
01:30:26,053 --> 01:30:28,572
Speaker 23: goes and stands in front and she spins was wishing

1938
01:30:28,652 --> 01:30:31,892
Speaker 23: well thing. He pulls out some names. This was after

1939
01:30:31,933 --> 01:30:34,652
Speaker 23: about three and a half hours in pulls out some

1940
01:30:34,853 --> 01:30:38,253
Speaker 23: names and just say these forty people can go, but

1941
01:30:38,412 --> 01:30:39,812
Speaker 23: others have to be back tomorrow.

1942
01:30:41,372 --> 01:30:46,092
Speaker 2: So well, so and so just forty people were random,

1943
01:30:46,133 --> 01:30:48,092
Speaker 2: like you mean, like you know, a lot of balls

1944
01:30:48,133 --> 01:30:48,812
Speaker 2: type situation.

1945
01:30:48,973 --> 01:30:50,213
Speaker 3: They just pulled out some random names.

1946
01:30:50,333 --> 01:30:50,772
Speaker 4: The year.

1947
01:30:52,213 --> 01:30:53,173
Speaker 23: Right, Yeah, it's a battle.

1948
01:30:53,213 --> 01:30:53,732
Speaker 7: It's about that.

1949
01:30:53,812 --> 01:30:55,652
Speaker 23: They've had the spin with her door in it and

1950
01:30:55,772 --> 01:30:57,652
Speaker 23: opened the door and they pulled out some names and

1951
01:30:57,772 --> 01:31:00,652
Speaker 23: they just called out these names, Jimmy, Johnny, Vincent, you

1952
01:31:00,772 --> 01:31:02,652
Speaker 23: name it, and said you guys can go. You others

1953
01:31:02,692 --> 01:31:05,652
Speaker 23: have to be back here. So we asked him what's happening,

1954
01:31:05,853 --> 01:31:08,532
Speaker 23: like they don't know, just be back here. Came back

1955
01:31:08,572 --> 01:31:13,652
Speaker 23: on Wednesday morning again waiting, waiting, waiting, nothing happens now

1956
01:31:13,853 --> 01:31:16,692
Speaker 23: is another twenty people extra in the room, so it's

1957
01:31:16,772 --> 01:31:19,532
Speaker 23: us forty they stayed behind, plus a another twenty sixty.

1958
01:31:20,452 --> 01:31:24,213
Speaker 23: After about four hours they walk in there they like

1959
01:31:25,532 --> 01:31:27,372
Speaker 23: you and you and you and you can go home.

1960
01:31:27,652 --> 01:31:30,133
Speaker 23: Fathers have to be back on Thursday. So I again

1961
01:31:30,213 --> 01:31:32,692
Speaker 23: said to him very kindly, can I just know what's happening?

1962
01:31:32,772 --> 01:31:36,173
Speaker 23: Are we getting chosen? Also on a first day, they

1963
01:31:36,253 --> 01:31:40,252
Speaker 23: took some people to another room and then they divided

1964
01:31:40,372 --> 01:31:43,092
Speaker 23: us up. But I must honestly tell you a service.

1965
01:31:43,412 --> 01:31:46,093
Speaker 23: There was no word spoken. I actually fell asleep in

1966
01:31:46,213 --> 01:31:50,053
Speaker 23: the hallway because the room was so stubby. I just

1967
01:31:50,133 --> 01:31:52,772
Speaker 23: went they then were always fell asleep. Next thing I know,

1968
01:31:52,933 --> 01:31:55,213
Speaker 23: people are walking out of the office. I said, what's happening?

1969
01:31:55,253 --> 01:31:55,972
Speaker 23: They sent us home?

1970
01:31:56,213 --> 01:31:59,133
Speaker 3: I said, oh, so that's a third day. That's a

1971
01:31:59,253 --> 01:32:00,652
Speaker 3: third day with nothing happening.

1972
01:32:01,213 --> 01:32:01,333
Speaker 7: Is that?

1973
01:32:01,572 --> 01:32:02,013
Speaker 5: Am I right?

1974
01:32:02,133 --> 01:32:03,253
Speaker 4: Or nothing?

1975
01:32:04,053 --> 01:32:07,133
Speaker 23: And then at the end, at about say five hours

1976
01:32:07,213 --> 01:32:10,253
Speaker 23: in that day, they just that's all home. On on

1977
01:32:10,532 --> 01:32:12,933
Speaker 23: on that third day, they again took a group of

1978
01:32:13,013 --> 01:32:15,412
Speaker 23: people into another room which I think it's a court room.

1979
01:32:15,452 --> 01:32:17,253
Speaker 23: And but as they just told us to go home.

1980
01:32:18,093 --> 01:32:20,813
Speaker 7: But was there a communication?

1981
01:32:21,173 --> 01:32:23,133
Speaker 23: Was absolutely horrible?

1982
01:32:23,213 --> 01:32:25,572
Speaker 3: Do they have some refreshments or anything on off the

1983
01:32:25,612 --> 01:32:27,412
Speaker 3: way you're wedding, you know, some Pickie's or something.

1984
01:32:28,732 --> 01:32:31,333
Speaker 23: No, just coffee, so you can you can help yourself

1985
01:32:31,372 --> 01:32:33,052
Speaker 23: to seeventin and a half cups of coffee.

1986
01:32:33,213 --> 01:32:33,772
Speaker 4: You so wish.

1987
01:32:33,853 --> 01:32:36,572
Speaker 7: But that was it, and it was what?

1988
01:32:36,893 --> 01:32:37,173
Speaker 16: What was?

1989
01:32:37,333 --> 01:32:38,933
Speaker 3: What was the surroundings like? Was it was?

1990
01:32:38,973 --> 01:32:39,013
Speaker 4: It?

1991
01:32:39,372 --> 01:32:40,052
Speaker 5: Was it regal?

1992
01:32:40,173 --> 01:32:42,333
Speaker 3: We're talking flags, nice cheers?

1993
01:32:42,572 --> 01:32:44,492
Speaker 5: Was it sort of a A.

1994
01:32:46,053 --> 01:32:49,492
Speaker 23: It's not bad. It's you can even go and sit

1995
01:32:50,133 --> 01:32:52,012
Speaker 23: on cheers, you know, like in a churchs a bunch

1996
01:32:52,093 --> 01:32:53,812
Speaker 23: of cheers that, or you can go and sit that

1997
01:32:53,973 --> 01:32:57,532
Speaker 23: some cheers with high high tables and high cheers where

1998
01:32:57,532 --> 01:32:59,652
Speaker 23: you can sit and chat with some people and stuff.

1999
01:32:59,772 --> 01:33:03,213
Speaker 23: But then on the third day when we left, they

2000
01:33:03,293 --> 01:33:05,772
Speaker 23: gave us a form to say, this is your claim form.

2001
01:33:06,612 --> 01:33:09,213
Speaker 23: You can help claim the money you claim for parking.

2002
01:33:10,372 --> 01:33:12,492
Speaker 5: But how much did you give a form?

2003
01:33:12,532 --> 01:33:12,892
Speaker 18: You can't.

2004
01:33:14,253 --> 01:33:17,532
Speaker 23: I didn't claim anything because I was so upset. But

2005
01:33:18,372 --> 01:33:21,492
Speaker 23: of course on that formucation you must you can't post theform.

2006
01:33:21,572 --> 01:33:23,012
Speaker 23: You must go and drop the form.

2007
01:33:22,933 --> 01:33:24,133
Speaker 22: Off at the court.

2008
01:33:24,333 --> 01:33:26,293
Speaker 23: So that now means another day we have to pay

2009
01:33:26,412 --> 01:33:27,492
Speaker 23: nine dollars for parking.

2010
01:33:28,093 --> 01:33:29,333
Speaker 4: You can't post the form.

2011
01:33:29,692 --> 01:33:31,372
Speaker 23: If I told us that on day one we would

2012
01:33:31,412 --> 01:33:34,333
Speaker 23: have all grabbed perform on day one and folded, and

2013
01:33:34,492 --> 01:33:37,612
Speaker 23: on they free handed it into him. So I actually

2014
01:33:37,692 --> 01:33:39,732
Speaker 23: wrote to the herald, and I wrote to the courts,

2015
01:33:39,812 --> 01:33:43,173
Speaker 23: and I said to him, look, never again will I

2016
01:33:43,692 --> 01:33:46,973
Speaker 23: even attempt to. I will make any excuse in the world.

2017
01:33:46,973 --> 01:33:47,412
Speaker 4: Not to go.

2018
01:33:48,333 --> 01:33:50,852
Speaker 23: Sorry, I've got civil duty. I was keen, but after

2019
01:33:50,973 --> 01:33:53,572
Speaker 23: that experience, that's the last thing in the life I

2020
01:33:53,652 --> 01:33:55,732
Speaker 23: want to do. I rather watch pain rifle free and all.

2021
01:33:56,973 --> 01:33:57,892
Speaker 3: There's a lot of trauma.

2022
01:33:58,053 --> 01:34:01,173
Speaker 5: Thank you show for your call, nickery h.

2023
01:34:02,812 --> 01:34:05,412
Speaker 2: That's interesting because I feel like maybe when you arrive

2024
01:34:05,452 --> 01:34:08,692
Speaker 2: at jury service, this should be some unofficial eating you

2025
01:34:08,772 --> 01:34:10,852
Speaker 2: and go thank you so much for doing your service

2026
01:34:10,893 --> 01:34:13,492
Speaker 2: for your country. We really absolutely appreciate if you go

2027
01:34:13,572 --> 01:34:16,412
Speaker 2: and sit over here. We'll be with you in a minute.

2028
01:34:16,652 --> 01:34:19,293
Speaker 2: I'm sorry it could take some time, yep, but thank

2029
01:34:19,372 --> 01:34:22,253
Speaker 2: you so much for coming down. Without you, the justice

2030
01:34:22,293 --> 01:34:23,093
Speaker 2: system wouldn't work.

2031
01:34:23,133 --> 01:34:25,052
Speaker 3: So something like that, and there should be a VIP

2032
01:34:25,253 --> 01:34:26,173
Speaker 3: room that you get to sit in.

2033
01:34:26,333 --> 01:34:29,612
Speaker 2: Maybe someone wearing some sort of official kind of chains

2034
01:34:29,772 --> 01:34:33,253
Speaker 2: or something legal or legal looking, you know, maybe one

2035
01:34:33,253 --> 01:34:35,012
Speaker 2: of those punishes and a wig can't meet yet.

2036
01:34:35,013 --> 01:34:37,132
Speaker 3: That would be nice. And then what have the anthem

2037
01:34:37,213 --> 01:34:38,572
Speaker 3: just playing in the background while you wait?

2038
01:34:39,652 --> 01:34:41,972
Speaker 5: Yeah, just not on repeat?

2039
01:34:42,812 --> 01:34:46,093
Speaker 3: Just yeah, that would be tortry. Actually, Nico, thanks very

2040
01:34:46,173 --> 01:34:47,973
Speaker 3: much for your call. We better play some messages, but

2041
01:34:48,093 --> 01:34:50,732
Speaker 3: back with more of your jury service stories soon. It's

2042
01:34:50,732 --> 01:34:51,612
Speaker 3: twenty six past three.

2043
01:34:55,612 --> 01:34:59,253
Speaker 1: Madd Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call, Oh, eight hundred eighty

2044
01:34:59,333 --> 01:35:00,973
Speaker 1: ten eighty on news talk, z'd be.

2045
01:35:01,293 --> 01:35:04,253
Speaker 3: Very good afternoons. You're talking about jury service, Oh, eight

2046
01:35:04,372 --> 01:35:06,172
Speaker 3: hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you've done it recently?

2047
01:35:06,492 --> 01:35:08,812
Speaker 2: Oh, come on, guys, you didn't fin to war for

2048
01:35:08,853 --> 01:35:11,973
Speaker 2: your country. It's just jury service. Yeah, that's what That's

2049
01:35:12,013 --> 01:35:15,013
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Ben text out, I'm saying that it's

2050
01:35:15,053 --> 01:35:16,692
Speaker 2: the least you can do for your country to go

2051
01:35:16,893 --> 01:35:18,492
Speaker 2: to jury service, and we should go along.

2052
01:35:18,732 --> 01:35:20,333
Speaker 5: Yeah, I believe happily.

2053
01:35:20,853 --> 01:35:24,293
Speaker 2: And otherwise, how does the system work? How do how

2054
01:35:24,333 --> 01:35:26,613
Speaker 2: does the how's justice administered?

2055
01:35:27,133 --> 01:35:29,452
Speaker 3: If if we all don't do us year, That's why

2056
01:35:29,492 --> 01:35:32,412
Speaker 3: I'm going along. Just not Monday to Friday between twelve

2057
01:35:32,492 --> 01:35:37,133
Speaker 3: and four pm. Does that too much to ask? Victoria?

2058
01:35:37,772 --> 01:35:40,532
Speaker 3: You had a great experience at the jury service. We'll

2059
01:35:40,532 --> 01:35:41,852
Speaker 3: get out to called up. This is what we want

2060
01:35:41,893 --> 01:35:42,652
Speaker 3: to hear, Victoria.

2061
01:35:43,732 --> 01:35:47,133
Speaker 11: Yeah, my experience was the exact opposite to an echo.

2062
01:35:48,133 --> 01:35:52,013
Speaker 11: I've been called in three times through I guess we

2063
01:35:52,133 --> 01:35:54,973
Speaker 11: have a smaller town city, so we get called up

2064
01:35:55,013 --> 01:35:57,732
Speaker 11: more often. I was, I was called this week. I

2065
01:35:57,893 --> 01:36:02,093
Speaker 11: was there on Monday, and every single time, like, you

2066
01:36:02,293 --> 01:36:04,932
Speaker 11: go in the room, it's everyone sort of nervously sitting

2067
01:36:05,013 --> 01:36:06,333
Speaker 11: on the chair that's sort of a.

2068
01:36:07,973 --> 01:36:09,532
Speaker 20: Pretty dark room.

2069
01:36:10,213 --> 01:36:12,492
Speaker 11: And then the ladies at the front, you know, they

2070
01:36:12,612 --> 01:36:14,692
Speaker 11: check you in. They have all these organized little pieces

2071
01:36:14,732 --> 01:36:18,092
Speaker 11: of paper with your in alphabetical order for your surname,

2072
01:36:18,853 --> 01:36:23,732
Speaker 11: and they go, oh, how becoming. We really appreciate you

2073
01:36:23,893 --> 01:36:27,253
Speaker 11: being here, and then you know, check you off. And

2074
01:36:27,333 --> 01:36:30,173
Speaker 11: then you go sit in the chairs and wait around,

2075
01:36:30,253 --> 01:36:32,772
Speaker 11: and yeah, there's always a lot of waiting around. And

2076
01:36:32,853 --> 01:36:36,333
Speaker 11: then there's that attorney thing at the front, you know,

2077
01:36:36,412 --> 01:36:38,812
Speaker 11: that spins around and the sort of people that get

2078
01:36:39,572 --> 01:36:41,492
Speaker 11: selected go into that.

2079
01:36:42,013 --> 01:36:43,972
Speaker 2: Can you describe this, because I was hearing this from Niko,

2080
01:36:44,013 --> 01:36:45,932
Speaker 2: what is the attorney attorney thing?

2081
01:36:46,013 --> 01:36:48,492
Speaker 5: Is it is like a roulette wheel?

2082
01:36:48,572 --> 01:36:48,852
Speaker 15: What is it?

2083
01:36:50,013 --> 01:36:53,652
Speaker 11: It is kind of it's like a They may be

2084
01:36:53,772 --> 01:36:58,293
Speaker 11: different in different court rooms, but it's like a like

2085
01:36:58,412 --> 01:37:02,333
Speaker 11: a wooden cylinder. You can imagine a wool cylinder on

2086
01:37:02,492 --> 01:37:10,053
Speaker 11: its side, and it's it spins around and then then

2087
01:37:10,133 --> 01:37:13,012
Speaker 11: they slide open this little door thing and they randomly

2088
01:37:13,093 --> 01:37:18,052
Speaker 11: pull out the names and then they they.

2089
01:37:18,013 --> 01:37:19,372
Speaker 16: Show you everybody.

2090
01:37:19,452 --> 01:37:23,213
Speaker 11: They show everybody a video and all about this is

2091
01:37:23,253 --> 01:37:27,412
Speaker 11: how the court process works. You're really important to us.

2092
01:37:28,173 --> 01:37:29,612
Speaker 11: We appreciate everybody being here.

2093
01:37:30,133 --> 01:37:33,213
Speaker 3: You got some communication and you've got you've got some

2094
01:37:33,333 --> 01:37:35,372
Speaker 3: of the stuff I was talking about that where you're

2095
01:37:35,412 --> 01:37:36,933
Speaker 3: told that you appreciated that that.

2096
01:37:37,812 --> 01:37:38,412
Speaker 5: How did this.

2097
01:37:41,333 --> 01:37:45,293
Speaker 11: Last time? I went through the whole process this time

2098
01:37:45,452 --> 01:37:48,932
Speaker 11: this week on Monday turned up and then they said, look,

2099
01:37:48,973 --> 01:37:49,652
Speaker 11: we're really sorry.

2100
01:37:50,652 --> 01:37:51,173
Speaker 10: There's a bit of.

2101
01:37:51,213 --> 01:37:55,452
Speaker 11: Miscommunication going on. We can't tell you that you're going home,

2102
01:37:55,612 --> 01:37:58,293
Speaker 11: but we'll let you know as soon as we know

2103
01:37:58,372 --> 01:38:01,892
Speaker 11: what's happening. And they said that really sorry, but we're

2104
01:38:01,933 --> 01:38:04,692
Speaker 11: in the corner's court today because there's something happening in

2105
01:38:04,812 --> 01:38:05,572
Speaker 11: the other court.

2106
01:38:05,612 --> 01:38:06,492
Speaker 7: I don't know what that was.

2107
01:38:07,372 --> 01:38:09,532
Speaker 11: And so we were in this quite a cramped room,

2108
01:38:09,612 --> 01:38:11,692
Speaker 11: but it was still the same process with the tourney

2109
01:38:11,732 --> 01:38:14,092
Speaker 11: thing up the front, and they couldn't get the video

2110
01:38:14,213 --> 01:38:18,173
Speaker 11: going that they usually play, and the lady was like, oh, look, sorry,

2111
01:38:18,213 --> 01:38:21,452
Speaker 11: we can't get it going. Listen, I'll just do it.

2112
01:38:21,732 --> 01:38:26,213
Speaker 11: And so she just did the whole welcome thing herself.

2113
01:38:27,293 --> 01:38:27,893
Speaker 5: So I love it.

2114
01:38:27,933 --> 01:38:33,732
Speaker 2: It's like when their Stewart your hostess. Yeah, points to

2115
01:38:33,772 --> 01:38:34,572
Speaker 2: the exits and stuff.

2116
01:38:35,532 --> 01:38:37,732
Speaker 11: Yes, exactly, and then they sort of make a few

2117
01:38:37,853 --> 01:38:40,253
Speaker 11: jokes here and there, and everyone sort of, you know,

2118
01:38:40,333 --> 01:38:44,973
Speaker 11: starts talking to their neighbor. And it was quite a

2119
01:38:45,013 --> 01:38:48,013
Speaker 11: good process really, And then someone came in with a

2120
01:38:48,133 --> 01:38:51,572
Speaker 11: piece of paper and gave it to the two ladies

2121
01:38:51,612 --> 01:38:55,852
Speaker 11: at the front of them. Oh, guess what where the

2122
01:38:56,053 --> 01:39:00,173
Speaker 11: person's elected a judge only trial. They don't, Oh, don't

2123
01:39:00,253 --> 01:39:03,293
Speaker 11: tell the people in the corridor, because we're going to

2124
01:39:03,333 --> 01:39:06,532
Speaker 11: have to call them in and let them know the

2125
01:39:06,652 --> 01:39:07,133
Speaker 11: same thing.

2126
01:39:07,253 --> 01:39:09,213
Speaker 7: But just don't tell them because we want we need

2127
01:39:09,293 --> 01:39:10,253
Speaker 7: to check their names off for you.

2128
01:39:10,572 --> 01:39:12,412
Speaker 3: We want to tell that. Wow.

2129
01:39:13,173 --> 01:39:14,612
Speaker 11: Yeah, so off we went home.

2130
01:39:14,893 --> 01:39:15,892
Speaker 3: What a great experience.

2131
01:39:16,492 --> 01:39:19,333
Speaker 11: Yeah, it still took it still took like an hour,

2132
01:39:19,893 --> 01:39:22,852
Speaker 11: an hour and a half, maybe it's till quite a

2133
01:39:22,853 --> 01:39:24,173
Speaker 11: bit out of a day. And they said to you,

2134
01:39:24,452 --> 01:39:26,973
Speaker 11: and by the way, if you failed it in the

2135
01:39:27,053 --> 01:39:30,532
Speaker 11: form correctly, that came to you in the mail. You'll

2136
01:39:30,532 --> 01:39:33,253
Speaker 11: get your thirty one dollars plus you're parking. Don't forget

2137
01:39:33,333 --> 01:39:34,892
Speaker 11: to tell us how much parking you spent.

2138
01:39:35,333 --> 01:39:35,572
Speaker 3: Nice?

2139
01:39:36,013 --> 01:39:38,372
Speaker 2: Wow, so and if that was an Auckland, then that

2140
01:39:38,532 --> 01:39:41,372
Speaker 2: parking would be you know his' you're thirty one dollars

2141
01:39:41,412 --> 01:39:44,892
Speaker 2: per half day and here's one hundred and ninety five

2142
01:39:44,933 --> 01:39:45,612
Speaker 2: dollars for your pa.

2143
01:39:48,133 --> 01:39:51,612
Speaker 18: Yes indeed, but no go to us through a high court.

2144
01:39:51,732 --> 01:39:52,412
Speaker 10: It's fantastic.

2145
01:39:52,532 --> 01:39:56,133
Speaker 3: It sounds like they're running a good operation. And yeah,

2146
01:39:56,213 --> 01:39:58,053
Speaker 3: good on them they are. That's where you want to

2147
01:39:58,053 --> 01:39:59,893
Speaker 3: be a juror. What a great story. I mean, that

2148
01:39:59,973 --> 01:40:01,812
Speaker 3: makes you feel a bit better, doesn't it. Well, you're

2149
01:40:01,853 --> 01:40:03,732
Speaker 3: a bit worried after Nico. I just want to be.

2150
01:40:03,772 --> 01:40:07,612
Speaker 2: Louded and thanked and told that I'm doing great stuff

2151
01:40:07,652 --> 01:40:09,612
Speaker 2: for my country when I get them there too much

2152
01:40:09,652 --> 01:40:09,892
Speaker 2: to us.

2153
01:40:09,933 --> 01:40:10,973
Speaker 5: I just want to be appreciate it.

2154
01:40:11,013 --> 01:40:13,732
Speaker 3: It happens every day on the show. Ahaa right, he

2155
01:40:13,893 --> 01:40:15,973
Speaker 3: lines with Raylene coming up and taking more of your

2156
01:40:16,013 --> 01:40:18,532
Speaker 3: calls Jury Service? Have you done it recently? Would you

2157
01:40:18,612 --> 01:40:20,532
Speaker 3: do it again? O? Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

2158
01:40:20,652 --> 01:40:21,532
Speaker 3: is that number to call.

2159
01:40:24,173 --> 01:40:24,333
Speaker 20: Us?

2160
01:40:24,412 --> 01:40:24,612
Speaker 4: Talk?

2161
01:40:24,692 --> 01:40:28,532
Speaker 8: Said the headlines with Blue bubble taxis it's no trouble

2162
01:40:28,732 --> 01:40:32,133
Speaker 8: with a blue bubble. Donald Trump's told his Department of

2163
01:40:32,213 --> 01:40:36,852
Speaker 8: Defense to immediately begin nuclear weapon testing, an order issued

2164
01:40:36,973 --> 01:40:40,172
Speaker 8: moments before his face to face meeting with China's president

2165
01:40:40,253 --> 01:40:43,253
Speaker 8: at Apec. He says it's in response to tests by

2166
01:40:43,572 --> 01:40:48,372
Speaker 8: rival countries. Two more people have measles in Auckland, bringing

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Speaker 3: Back to Matt Eath and Tyler Adams, Thank you very much, Railan.

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Speaker 3: We're talking about jury service. Matt has got the call

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Speaker 3: up and is expected in court and whether you get

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Speaker 3: selected for what it is quite a massive trial six weeks.

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Speaker 2: Well, apparently you do sort of a fashion walk across

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Speaker 2: the court and they objectify you and they rate you

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01:41:55,372 --> 01:41:57,133
Speaker 2: out of ten and then they decide whether you're going

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01:41:57,173 --> 01:41:59,293
Speaker 2: to be on the jury or not. I imagine when

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01:41:59,333 --> 01:42:02,253
Speaker 2: they see what a striking figure I am. I'm going

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Speaker 2: to be on there in a second, I'll be I mean,

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Speaker 2: if I saw me, I'd be like, put.

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Speaker 3: That guy on the jury the video. But I don't

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Speaker 3: want smart, good looking, successful people in the jury.

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Speaker 6: Do they were your fit right in?

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01:42:14,772 --> 01:42:15,213
Speaker 3: They weren't you?

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Speaker 5: Hi, Glennis, Welcome to the show. How are you, hi?

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Speaker 14: Hi?

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Speaker 3: How are you very good?

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Speaker 16: I just found an old letter that I had when

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Speaker 16: I went to court Jewish service in twenty sixteen, twice

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Speaker 16: in the district court, twice in the High Court. It

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Speaker 16: was a murder case and we all went out the back.

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Speaker 16: I said to most off, I can't stand this. I

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01:42:39,933 --> 01:42:42,052
Speaker 16: don't think I can handle it. It was a murder case,

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01:42:43,372 --> 01:42:45,133
Speaker 16: and so I had a little note written in my

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01:42:45,293 --> 01:42:48,892
Speaker 16: pocket with John. I'm not cheeky, but so I handed

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Speaker 16: it to the judicator. I said, I can't handle this.

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Speaker 16: She gives it to the High Court charge. He calls

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01:42:56,853 --> 01:43:00,412
Speaker 16: me to his desk and he says, you have been

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Speaker 16: declined permanently. Please leave what the note? Because I was

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Speaker 16: a victim of crime. They didn't know that I was

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01:43:08,013 --> 01:43:11,293
Speaker 16: a bit of crime in the past, my partner, they

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01:43:11,372 --> 01:43:14,293
Speaker 16: didn't know and then blow me down. I didn't I

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Speaker 16: get another High court to go to the High Court

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Speaker 16: and eighteen I think it was, And it was my

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01:43:23,853 --> 01:43:30,012
Speaker 16: own case, what rate? It was my own rate case

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01:43:30,053 --> 01:43:32,652
Speaker 16: that I took my own case decline from the High

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Speaker 16: Court as a juror, and then I end up in

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Speaker 16: the High Court from taking it as a victim of

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Speaker 16: my own case.

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Speaker 3: How does that happen? I mean, that's embarrassing from the

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Speaker 3: court system, isn't it?

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Speaker 16: It was embarrassing. But they got such a fright because

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Speaker 16: I said, I can handle any kind of case, but

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Speaker 16: not a murder case. But when they knew, they knew

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Speaker 16: that I was a victim of assault, and they knew

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01:43:55,333 --> 01:43:58,093
Speaker 16: that I couldn't take it emotionally because I would break down,

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Speaker 16: you know, me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well fair enough too. Yes, jeez, what a story.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, all the best.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry you had to go through that. Brett.

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Speaker 5: Welcome to the show. You're a former.

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Speaker 14: It's good afternoon. I just thought you might be interested.

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01:44:11,452 --> 01:44:14,492
Speaker 14: I was the foreman of one of the very high

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Speaker 14: profile trials of Anthony Dixon.

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Speaker 3: Oh Samurai swordman, wasn't it?

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01:44:20,933 --> 01:44:26,093
Speaker 14: And that's the sword Man? Seven weeks that there.

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01:44:26,053 --> 01:44:29,253
Speaker 2: Was drama in the court, wasn't there with people standing

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Speaker 2: up and yelling crazy stuff?

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Speaker 3: That is that correct? Do I remember that, right, Brett?

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Speaker 14: Not so much to the audience, but Anthony Dexon himself

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Speaker 14: had headlines on the Herald when he had eyes wide

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Speaker 14: open and the like. But I just want to be interested.

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Speaker 14: Someone had commented about the introduction in terms of attitude

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01:44:47,133 --> 01:44:50,812
Speaker 14: of staff over the seven weeks we were in and

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01:44:51,053 --> 01:44:54,012
Speaker 14: we went in Sconce, we came every day, not one

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01:44:54,133 --> 01:44:57,892
Speaker 14: court officer would even make eye contact with us at all,

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Speaker 14: even though we walk past them every day, and that

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01:45:02,452 --> 01:45:05,412
Speaker 14: that struck a chord with me. The second thing was

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Speaker 14: that whilst during the week we had coming after the

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Speaker 14: break and the Justice had asked for two members of

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Speaker 14: the jury to go and see her and they came

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01:45:19,412 --> 01:45:23,133
Speaker 14: back quite quite upset. But what had happened is that

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01:45:23,612 --> 01:45:27,293
Speaker 14: stepped outside to have a cigarette and a third party

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01:45:27,412 --> 01:45:30,532
Speaker 14: had walked up to them, and the third party happened

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Speaker 14: to be a friend of the defense. So it gave

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Speaker 14: the message to us that you were being looked at

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Speaker 14: and being careful whilst you're in the High Court, that

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01:45:43,333 --> 01:45:47,372
Speaker 14: you are being watched all the time. And the other

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01:45:47,532 --> 01:45:48,892
Speaker 14: thing that was so.

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Speaker 3: They came up and said, had that had the jurors

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01:45:53,812 --> 01:45:54,932
Speaker 3: been doing something wrong?

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Speaker 14: And correct?

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Speaker 7: Correct?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 3: What have they been doing wrong?

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Speaker 5: Exactly?

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Speaker 14: They were outside having a cigarette and a third party

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Speaker 14: had approached them, and they the jurors that I was

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Speaker 14: with told me that the gentleman that approached them asked

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Speaker 14: them to light his.

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Speaker 3: Cigarette, right, and there was too much contact.

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Speaker 14: Too much contact. So when we came back to the

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Speaker 14: jury room, the judge asked if those two persons could

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01:46:27,173 --> 01:46:30,692
Speaker 14: see her, right, yeah, yeah, So it gave us the

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01:46:30,812 --> 01:46:35,372
Speaker 14: information they clearly around the court, you're under surveillance most

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Speaker 14: of the time.

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Speaker 5: Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 14: And the other thing that annoyed me personally as a

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Speaker 14: foreman of the jury was that we had specialist testimony

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Speaker 14: he was given and one for the defense was to

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Speaker 14: do with mental health, and he was interviewed quite extensively

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Speaker 14: by the defense, and in conclusion, the question was asked

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Speaker 14: of him, was Anthony Dixon mentally disabled? And his response

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01:47:05,412 --> 01:47:09,133
Speaker 14: was that's for the jury to decide, and it just

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01:47:09,652 --> 01:47:12,492
Speaker 14: in the context of the whole trial. I thought that

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Speaker 14: was an absolute cop out.

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Speaker 3: It's pretty hard if the evidence hasn't been presented though,

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01:47:17,093 --> 01:47:19,613
Speaker 3: right as I understand it. For a murder trial in particular,

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Speaker 3: there's evidence that's presented by both parties, the defense and

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01:47:22,812 --> 01:47:26,253
Speaker 3: the prosecution, and if that hasn't been tabled, there's not

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01:47:26,452 --> 01:47:28,412
Speaker 3: much a judge can do it at that point. You've

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01:47:28,452 --> 01:47:29,852
Speaker 3: only got to go on the evidence in front of you.

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01:47:30,013 --> 01:47:30,133
Speaker 4: Right.

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01:47:31,013 --> 01:47:38,972
Speaker 14: No, this was the specialist doctor or mister for the defense.

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01:47:39,053 --> 01:47:43,173
Speaker 14: He was asked questions by the defense as to the

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01:47:43,293 --> 01:47:45,653
Speaker 14: state of the mind of Anthony Dexton.

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Speaker 2: Because was the suggestion wasn't there that he might be

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01:47:48,532 --> 01:47:49,692
Speaker 2: hamming it up in the court?

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Speaker 4: Was that?

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Speaker 14: Was that absolutely percent? But the thing that annoyed us

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01:47:56,452 --> 01:48:02,812
Speaker 14: as jurors was here we had a highly specialized witness

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Speaker 14: that was giving evidence for the defense and then trying

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01:48:06,973 --> 01:48:09,213
Speaker 14: to conclude to get an arm were out of him

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01:48:10,452 --> 01:48:14,492
Speaker 14: because of his expertise. He said he was asked directly

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01:48:14,652 --> 01:48:20,213
Speaker 14: by the prosecution do you consider Anthony Lexcell was mentally disabled?

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Speaker 14: And he would not give a response and says that's

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Speaker 14: for the jury to DiscId. Yeah, the witness and the

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01:48:27,893 --> 01:48:31,173
Speaker 14: witness for the prosecution with the hell of a good guy,

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Speaker 14: another mental specialist from Wellington and he said, oh, there's

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01:48:35,333 --> 01:48:37,852
Speaker 14: nobody doubt he was putting it on and he wasn't

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Speaker 14: medal at all. So we had two sides of the presentation.

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Speaker 14: But just in concluding the seven after seven weeks and

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01:48:48,173 --> 01:48:51,612
Speaker 14: the jury had stayed at the hotel for the ninth

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01:48:52,333 --> 01:48:55,772
Speaker 14: and we returned with our verdicts the following day. As

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01:48:55,812 --> 01:48:59,372
Speaker 14: soon as the judge had given the conclusion of the trial,

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01:49:00,013 --> 01:49:05,532
Speaker 14: the court staff were all over us. They were the

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01:49:05,612 --> 01:49:06,652
Speaker 14: loveliest people.

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Speaker 3: Because I see that was a similar thing happened to

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Speaker 3: me on the reality television training.

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Speaker 14: Going back to the obligations, it was one of the

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Speaker 14: greatest experience I ever had and I would recommend and

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Speaker 14: suggest that every New Zealander contribute to the law.

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Speaker 2: Good on your Brett, that's what we want to hear.

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Speaker 5: And I believe that too.

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Speaker 2: Even if it is an absolute chore and you know,

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01:49:29,692 --> 01:49:31,892
Speaker 2: obviously you were involved on a very high profile one.

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01:49:32,013 --> 01:49:33,732
Speaker 2: But you know, at some point in our lives as

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01:49:33,772 --> 01:49:35,652
Speaker 2: citizens we have to I believe we.

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Speaker 14: Have to do it, and that normally only happens once.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, now, Brett, just a quick question so you

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01:49:41,532 --> 01:49:44,452
Speaker 2: can talk about the case afterwards, obviously not during the case,

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01:49:44,532 --> 01:49:47,213
Speaker 2: but what what are the what are the rules after

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01:49:47,452 --> 01:49:50,013
Speaker 2: you've been a jury member and and the you know,

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01:49:50,133 --> 01:49:53,572
Speaker 2: the trials over and the verdict has has been laid down.

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01:49:54,572 --> 01:49:56,652
Speaker 2: What what What advice do they say is how much

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01:49:56,732 --> 01:49:58,572
Speaker 2: you can you can discuss it because obviously you've been

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01:49:58,652 --> 01:50:01,412
Speaker 2: quite free and with your discussion here and I appreciate it.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, just in terms of the trial itself again and

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01:50:06,053 --> 01:50:09,452
Speaker 14: aside and being the foreman, the first thing I said

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Speaker 14: to the jury is I won't ask you until we're

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01:50:12,933 --> 01:50:16,412
Speaker 14: mid trial, until the defense has been presented or the

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01:50:16,532 --> 01:50:20,053
Speaker 14: prosecution has been defended, that I will not ask you

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01:50:20,173 --> 01:50:22,732
Speaker 14: whether you think he's guilty or not. So I wouldn't

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01:50:22,732 --> 01:50:26,293
Speaker 14: allow any discussion about whether he was guilty or not,

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01:50:26,853 --> 01:50:31,372
Speaker 14: and we only concentrated on the evidence. Once I posed

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01:50:31,452 --> 01:50:35,333
Speaker 14: the question to the jury, which was a mixture of beneficiaries,

2347
01:50:36,812 --> 01:50:42,772
Speaker 14: multinational ages that are very cosmopolitan. Jury. There were two

2348
01:50:42,973 --> 01:50:50,572
Speaker 14: persons who would not agree with the others during the period,

2349
01:50:50,732 --> 01:50:54,293
Speaker 14: during the period of the balance of the trial, one

2350
01:50:54,372 --> 01:50:58,733
Speaker 14: in particular, I took a side on two or three occasions,

2351
01:50:59,492 --> 01:51:02,932
Speaker 14: and all he would say to me was those bloody police,

2352
01:51:04,173 --> 01:51:09,333
Speaker 14: So he wasn't following the trial. In order to get

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01:51:09,412 --> 01:51:15,492
Speaker 14: a conclusion, I offered to the jury a change in

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01:51:15,652 --> 01:51:20,732
Speaker 14: the charge, and I can't quite recall what I said,

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01:51:21,572 --> 01:51:27,492
Speaker 14: but we changed something like attempted murder to manslaughter or

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01:51:27,572 --> 01:51:31,213
Speaker 14: something of that sort, remembering it had already murdered someone.

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01:51:31,253 --> 01:51:34,013
Speaker 14: So I didn't make a lot of difference. And I

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01:51:34,173 --> 01:51:38,133
Speaker 14: looked at this person and he nodded it or they

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01:51:38,612 --> 01:51:41,772
Speaker 14: nodded his head. And that's how we got a result

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01:51:41,853 --> 01:51:42,973
Speaker 14: of the trial. Right.

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Speaker 3: Well, thankfully you're foreman to get that across the line.

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Speaker 4: Brent.

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01:51:46,692 --> 01:51:50,572
Speaker 14: Yeah, it was a wonderful experience. Wonderful experience.

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01:51:51,213 --> 01:51:53,333
Speaker 3: Thank you, Brett. I appreciate your call. That is high

2365
01:51:53,372 --> 01:51:55,972
Speaker 3: profile Anthony Dixon case. What a great call. Right, I've

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01:51:55,973 --> 01:51:57,732
Speaker 3: got to play some messages back in the moment is

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01:51:58,013 --> 01:51:58,972
Speaker 3: thirteen to four.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues to the big trends

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01:52:03,133 --> 01:52:04,452
Speaker 1: and everything in between.

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Speaker 6: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons news talks.

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Speaker 3: They'd be afternoon. Ju it is ten to four and

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01:52:10,933 --> 01:52:13,772
Speaker 3: we've had so many texts and phone calls on jury service.

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01:52:13,772 --> 01:52:16,052
Speaker 3: A couple of texts here, getay, guys, is it possible

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01:52:16,093 --> 01:52:18,893
Speaker 3: to actually volunteer to be on a jury I'm a

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01:52:18,933 --> 01:52:20,652
Speaker 3: forty four year old stay at home mum that has

2376
01:52:20,772 --> 01:52:24,013
Speaker 3: never been asked for jury duty at this stage of

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01:52:24,053 --> 01:52:26,372
Speaker 3: my life. I'm available, and I am a good candidate,

2378
01:52:26,612 --> 01:52:29,053
Speaker 3: but I have never been summoned. So it's a good

2379
01:52:29,133 --> 01:52:32,333
Speaker 3: question being volunteering for jury service, as I understand it.

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01:52:32,372 --> 01:52:34,692
Speaker 3: Will try and find that information out, but I don't

2381
01:52:34,732 --> 01:52:36,772
Speaker 3: think you can put your hand up and say I'm

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01:52:36,812 --> 01:52:38,053
Speaker 3: ready to go anytime now.

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Speaker 5: You can't.

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Speaker 2: I think that's because it has to be randomly selected.

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01:52:42,812 --> 01:52:45,212
Speaker 2: That the random part of the jury is very important

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Speaker 2: for the system.

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01:52:46,013 --> 01:52:50,012
Speaker 3: Yeah makes sense, Yeah, yeah, I mean because otherwise, yeah,

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01:52:50,053 --> 01:52:51,772
Speaker 3: you get a few people who might want to be

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01:52:51,853 --> 01:52:54,612
Speaker 3: there for the wrong reasons. Unlike Amy there who is

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01:52:54,692 --> 01:52:57,133
Speaker 3: ready to go. So hopefully you get summoned soon. This

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01:52:57,372 --> 01:53:00,213
Speaker 3: one here, guys, I got called up twice in five

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01:53:00,333 --> 01:53:04,452
Speaker 3: years and I really enjoyed it. I would love to

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01:53:04,532 --> 01:53:06,772
Speaker 3: do it again. I'm sixty five opted out, but I

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01:53:06,893 --> 01:53:09,412
Speaker 3: may opt back in and this one and getay, guys,

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01:53:09,452 --> 01:53:12,013
Speaker 3: I told the Jury Service that I was working to

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01:53:12,173 --> 01:53:14,772
Speaker 3: help keep the country going and to find someone that

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01:53:14,893 --> 01:53:18,372
Speaker 3: is unemployed. They accepted this twice. Now that's from Chris. Okay,

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01:53:18,532 --> 01:53:21,612
Speaker 3: all right, there you go. Well I don't accept my deferment.

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01:53:21,732 --> 01:53:22,173
Speaker 3: They said, no.

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01:53:22,532 --> 01:53:24,652
Speaker 2: Yeah, they said being one of the hosts of Matt

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01:53:24,772 --> 01:53:27,852
Speaker 2: Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons on news Talks was not

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01:53:28,133 --> 01:53:29,572
Speaker 2: enough for a reason to defer it.

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01:53:29,893 --> 01:53:31,612
Speaker 3: And I have to go and asked, you need to

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01:53:31,692 --> 01:53:35,013
Speaker 3: do it. Doesn't work, Nothing's gonna work. They could get

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01:53:35,133 --> 01:53:36,933
Speaker 3: the Prime Minister to come on down. Do you know

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01:53:37,053 --> 01:53:39,093
Speaker 3: what else you need to do, Tyler? You need to

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01:53:39,173 --> 01:53:41,173
Speaker 3: do your duty for the country and go along and

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01:53:41,213 --> 01:53:43,293
Speaker 3: do your jury service. I mean, you have to do

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01:53:43,452 --> 01:53:45,852
Speaker 3: your duty for the country by doing the show without

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01:53:45,893 --> 01:53:47,932
Speaker 3: me on Monday. Oh God help me. Potentially for six

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01:53:47,973 --> 01:53:50,253
Speaker 3: weeks after that. That's going to be a tough ask, right,

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01:53:50,492 --> 01:53:52,852
Speaker 3: Beck of the it is eight minutes to four.

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01:53:53,652 --> 01:53:57,013
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and

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01:53:57,372 --> 01:53:58,293
Speaker 1: everything in between.

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01:53:58,532 --> 01:54:01,532
Speaker 6: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talk.

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01:54:01,452 --> 01:54:05,412
Speaker 3: Sibby, Very good afternoon, Sue. It is six minutes to four.

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01:54:05,652 --> 01:54:07,692
Speaker 2: My son in law had a really bad experience with

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01:54:07,853 --> 01:54:10,572
Speaker 2: Jury US this Texter, I think it was at the

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01:54:10,652 --> 01:54:13,093
Speaker 2: High Court. He's from Canada and he couldn't believe how

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01:54:13,213 --> 01:54:16,132
Speaker 2: his name and address I was read out for everyone

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01:54:16,253 --> 01:54:18,133
Speaker 2: to hear. And then when they were waiting out in

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01:54:18,213 --> 01:54:20,612
Speaker 2: the corridor, the accused family was sending their little kids

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01:54:20,652 --> 01:54:23,372
Speaker 2: around with phones filming the jury participants and saying things

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01:54:23,452 --> 01:54:25,692
Speaker 2: like that's the guy that's going to put your uncle

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01:54:25,772 --> 01:54:26,133
Speaker 2: in jail.

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01:54:27,213 --> 01:54:29,333
Speaker 3: That doesn't sound great. Yeah, that is pretty full on.

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01:54:29,452 --> 01:54:30,253
Speaker 3: That is like a movie.

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01:54:30,893 --> 01:54:32,733
Speaker 2: I lost my face in the jury system after a

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01:54:32,772 --> 01:54:35,293
Speaker 2: close relative got no justice from a jury trial.

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01:54:36,013 --> 01:54:38,972
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean that can happen. Yep, that's part

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01:54:39,013 --> 01:54:39,173
Speaker 3: of it.

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01:54:39,333 --> 01:54:42,333
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, I told Juris Service that I was working to

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01:54:42,373 --> 01:54:44,453
Speaker 2: help keep the country going and to find someone that

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01:54:44,573 --> 01:54:46,772
Speaker 2: is unemployed. They accepted this twice. So you read that

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01:54:46,812 --> 01:54:48,733
Speaker 2: one out in you So many texts coming through. I

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01:54:48,812 --> 01:54:51,253
Speaker 2: need to organize these better, but my head's in the

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01:54:51,293 --> 01:54:52,972
Speaker 2: clouds because I've got to do Jury Service and I've

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01:54:52,973 --> 01:54:54,493
Speaker 2: got to get in the Justice Zone.

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01:54:54,613 --> 01:54:59,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that was a great discussion discussion. It certainly was.

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01:54:59,693 --> 01:55:03,013
Speaker 2: It's been a fun three hours of radio, well four

2441
01:55:03,093 --> 01:55:05,533
Speaker 2: hours if you are in certain parts of the country.

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01:55:07,173 --> 01:55:09,493
Speaker 2: Thanks so much for everyone for listening.

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01:55:10,333 --> 01:55:10,493
Speaker 7: Yeah.

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01:55:10,533 --> 01:55:13,772
Speaker 3: Absolutely love the chats today. They're great and powerful. Heather

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01:55:13,812 --> 01:55:15,333
Speaker 3: Dupe Allen is up next.

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01:55:15,413 --> 01:55:18,852
Speaker 2: But Tyler, like good buddy, tell me why I'm playing

2447
01:55:18,973 --> 01:55:21,453
Speaker 2: this song from the Pitch Shop Boys.

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01:55:21,613 --> 01:55:23,493
Speaker 3: What's the what's the name of the title. I'm not

2449
01:55:23,573 --> 01:55:25,213
Speaker 3: a big Pitch Shop Boys fan.

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01:55:25,293 --> 01:55:34,133
Speaker 5: I've got to say, well, this quasi works if you guess.

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01:55:34,493 --> 01:55:37,293
Speaker 3: All right, let me take a staff I reckon it's

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01:55:37,333 --> 01:55:39,892
Speaker 3: to do. We had a great discussion about old Chris

2453
01:55:39,973 --> 01:55:42,852
Speaker 3: Hipkins having to go Christopher Luxem for being too wealthy.

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01:55:45,133 --> 01:55:45,733
Speaker 3: I've got it now.

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01:55:46,213 --> 01:55:52,493
Speaker 2: Opportunities, opportunities, Let's make lots of money. Yeah right, all right, Dan, anyway,

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01:55:52,533 --> 01:55:55,853
Speaker 2: everyone you've seem busy, will let you go until tomorrow afternoon.

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01:55:56,772 --> 01:55:58,693
Speaker 3: Give me a taste of Kiwi from us. I love

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01:55:58,772 --> 01:55:58,812
Speaker 3: you

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01:56:33,213 --> 01:56:35,772
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01:56:35,893 --> 01:56:38,852
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