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Speaker 1: It is now eighteen to six.

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Speaker 2: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Unique Homes

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Speaker 2: uniquely for you.

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Speaker 1: So in the huddle today we've got Alie Jones from

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Speaker 1: Red pr and Tim Wilson from the Maximu Institute. Ladies

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Speaker 1: and gentlemen, Good afternoon, goodli The issue du jour, the

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Speaker 1: beg issue. Did our emergency management go overboard during the

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Speaker 1: tsunami alerts overnight? And we'll start with you, Tim, you

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Speaker 1: have a minute, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean I think emergency management continues to undermine its credibility.

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Speaker 3: We saw that in Auckland with some of the recent

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Speaker 3: rain warnings that came through. I mean, once you start

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Speaker 3: sending out alert about an earthquake on the other side

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Speaker 3: of the world, I mean, wouldn't you wait till at

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Speaker 3: least Hawaii or ifij got tsunamid? And I do see

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Speaker 3: that there was a surge that hit I think it

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Speaker 3: was the Chatham Islands. It was one point zero meters calculated.

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Speaker 3: That will affect our toddler Otto. He's two and a

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Speaker 3: half and he doesn't have a phone, So what are

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Speaker 3: you going to do about him?

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Speaker 1: We're going to give him a surfboard. What do you say,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, was it overboard? You know, was

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Speaker 1: it excessive.

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Speaker 4: I don't entirely agree with Tim on this. I think

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Speaker 4: it comes down to what is reasonable. And I'm not

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Speaker 4: a an expert in the area of how far an

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Speaker 4: eight point to earthquake can travel. I don't think anyone

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Speaker 4: is because we have so few of them, and I

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Speaker 4: think that's the issue. You know, it's one of the

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Speaker 4: largest we've ever seen. We're now seeing it rebound off

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Speaker 4: South America. I understand, so they took a precautionary approach,

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Speaker 4: and I think that's reasonable. I think the issue is

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Speaker 4: the number of alerts. And I have to say, as

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Speaker 4: you mentioned, Andrew, the communication is not great. I do

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Speaker 4: think mister Price needs some communication training to be frank. Look,

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Speaker 4: he's he's had a leading role in police responses to emergencies,

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Speaker 4: including the earthquakes here in christ Church, the Port Hills fires,

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Speaker 4: the terrorist attacks as well, so he knows his stuff.

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Speaker 4: But let's have someone who can be succinct, clear and

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Speaker 4: direct when they're talking to us. And I think if

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Speaker 4: we can get that sorted, it will help the credibility.

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Speaker 3: Andrew, I know, just the person who can help. Ellie

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Speaker 3: Jones read pr right.

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Speaker 4: That was not an ad that is so good.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about Navy people drinking, in fact,

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Speaker 1: all the defense forces drinking. Right after the break. This

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Speaker 1: is the huddle with Ali Jones and Tim Wilson.

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Speaker 2: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty. The ones

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Speaker 2: for Unmashed results.

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Speaker 1: From the text ninety two ninety two small charge of

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Speaker 1: plays after that interview, I have no faith in the

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Speaker 1: head of our Civil Defense John Price. It was that bad, yes,

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Speaker 1: And don't worry. There's just as many texts saying that

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Speaker 1: I was rude and arrogant because they got frustrated at

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Speaker 1: his lack of answers. But there we go. We're in

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Speaker 1: the huddle. We've got Allie Jones and Tim Wilson. And

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Speaker 1: the next issue, ladies and gentlemen, is the Chief of

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Speaker 1: Navy has ordered keep we say is to stop drinking.

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Speaker 1: Irresponsibly saying that they're drinking is undermining the professionalism and

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Speaker 1: the reputation of the Navy and the Defense Force. And

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Speaker 1: I think it's got to a very bad state when

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Speaker 1: Ali the rare admal has to do in order to

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Speaker 4: I don't think you can assume what to what point

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Speaker 4: it's got Andrew. I think that actually getting in before

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Speaker 4: And I think they could be front footing this before

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Speaker 4: I heard what Judith Collins said, and I agree with her,

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Speaker 4: because you know, putting something out like this, they know

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Speaker 4: it's going to be a new story. They know it's

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Speaker 4: going to put the spotlight on them, and that people

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Speaker 4: will be looking for incidents now to show what you've

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Speaker 4: just said that it's got to a really bad point.

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Speaker 4: So you know, they have footed this knowing that they

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Speaker 4: should highlight the wider societal issue with alcohol. You know,

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Speaker 4: we hear this a lot sometimes, you know, pregnant women

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Speaker 1: And this is true. And also Tim, this is the thing,

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Speaker 1: We've got twelve thousand people in the defense Force. We

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Speaker 1: And yes, there's a lot of drinking, and yes there

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Speaker 1: But it's important to control these things within a force,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and that's I think that's this is the typical.

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Speaker 3: This is the way that a Navy would respond to something.

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Speaker 3: They first give an order, and as Wayne Map said,

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Speaker 3: I just observed that there seems to be a cluster

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Speaker 3: These are on shore issues. And historically, actually we're quite boozy.

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Speaker 3: I looked it up. He was the last Navy in

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Speaker 3: the world to stop a daily tot of rum and

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Speaker 3: that was stopped on the twenty eight to February nineteen ninety.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And the problem is with how forces have mad Mondays

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Speaker 1: when they come ashore in Singapore and they go, look

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Speaker 1: at that, we're off the ship. What are we going

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Speaker 1: to do now? You know? But I can tell you

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Speaker 1: hear the cannons going off whenever the court martials are

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Speaker 1: happening at the Devenport Naval Base, and it happens an

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Speaker 1: awful lot. There's an awful lot of offending within the Navy,

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Speaker 1: and it's based on drink, and it's based on sexual

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Speaker 1: abuse and all sorts of things. And I know there's

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Speaker 1: already sexual abuse support agencies within the Defense Force, and

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Speaker 1: I just wondered whether they've actually got on top of

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Speaker 1: drinking earlier. But yeah, they've done the order, so there

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Speaker 1: is a good thing. So Allie, the leader of Gloria

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Speaker 1: Vale is officially a sex offender. Is it time to

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Speaker 1: close that place down?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 1: God?

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Speaker 4: Yes, did you see Brian Henry last night? Outstanding? I

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Speaker 4: have to lay it on the table here. I've worked

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Speaker 4: and the team supporting the leavers, doing it pro bow,

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Speaker 4: no no payment or anything. I just want to help

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Speaker 4: them out. And you know, I texted Brian last night

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Speaker 4: I have never seen him that angry in the three

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Speaker 4: and that's something that Brian and the team have been

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 4: This was operating under Cindra Dune's government. Now they made

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Speaker 4: huge efforts in that government to address overseas slavery, protect children,

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Speaker 1: Oh oh, we'll see Ali, Ali, hold on, you're coming

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Speaker 1: and going, You're coming, and I'm cutting out?

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Speaker 4: Are there now?

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Speaker 1: Am I there?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So what they should have closed it down, But

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Speaker 4: what they need to do is put supports in place.

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Speaker 4: There are people in there who have been in there

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Speaker 4: It's generational now, so they've got to close it down,

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Speaker 4: but they have to do it carefully and put the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I've gone back and fall on this. I

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Speaker 3: closing it down. What does shutting Gloria Veil down actually

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Speaker 3: look like? Does it mean taking the land doesn't mean

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Speaker 3: starts to trammelf some really big freedoms, freedom of association,

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Speaker 3: freedom of religion, property rights, all of that stuff. Now

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Speaker 3: when the last.

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Speaker 1: Battle, it also means, you know, liberating people who have

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Speaker 4: And the sex abuse, the slavery stops.

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Speaker 3: I get that. In Gloria, Veil has been subject to

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Speaker 3: the law. There was you know, from August twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 3: December twenty twenty three. I would say, get that happening again.

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Speaker 3: But I think it's a bad precedent. Yes, it's a

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Speaker 3: but I don't think shutting it down will solve that.

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Speaker 4: I don't think they shouldn't be getting any more chances

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Speaker 4: when they stopped that reporting back at that at the

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Speaker 4: couldn't remember where twenty twenty three happened. Twenty Yeah. I

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Speaker 4: mean there is enough that has gone on here. This

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Speaker 4: is not the first sexual sort of predator that we've

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Speaker 4: seen in that place. The school doesn't operate because they

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Speaker 4: can't teach them. The women are told what to think

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Speaker 4: and what to do. I mean, just look at the documentary.

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Speaker 4: I cannot believe. I still say I cannot believe that

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Speaker 4: this is still going on in New Zealand. They need

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Speaker 4: to close it down, and they need to close it down.

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Speaker 1: Now. I'm with you. I'm with you totally as well. Alie.

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Speaker 1: I've seen evidence and evidence and bits on the TV.

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Speaker 1: I've seen it all the time, and I've seen the

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Speaker 1: horror that people have seen this, and you've explained it well,

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Speaker 1: You're right, Brian explained it well last night. And so yeah,

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Speaker 1: i'd say it's about time, and I'd like to thank

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Speaker 1: both of you because time is up on the huddle

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Speaker 1: for Allie Jones and Tim Wilson and this is News

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