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Speaker 2: Heather Duplicy Ellen.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 5: Coming up today, Ruth Richardson on Jim Bolger Gloria They'll

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Speaker 5: leave a Virginia Courage on the treatment of babies that

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Speaker 5: she witnessed. And Sean Plunkett on his fight with the BSA.

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Speaker 2: Heather Duplessy Ellen.

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Speaker 5: There is a common word I've heard so many people

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Speaker 5: repeating today when remembering Jim Bolger, and that is decent.

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Speaker 5: He was decent. He was a decent Kiwi. He was

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Speaker 5: a decent man, fair minded, intelligent, pragmatic, could talk and boy,

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Speaker 5: if you ever had the pleasure of meeting him, you'll

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Speaker 5: know that man could talk. Last time I saw him

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Speaker 5: listening to a dissertation on the benefits of fair pay agreements,

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Speaker 5: which I don't know about you, but not the best

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Speaker 5: way to spend a fry. And yet you know this

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Speaker 5: is what we talked about, because Jim had been the

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Speaker 5: Jim Bolger. That working group was one of the examples

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Speaker 5: of Jim Bolger changing his mind in recent years, and

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Speaker 5: there was a fair bit of that. His government in

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Speaker 5: the nineteen nineties passed the Employment Contracts Act, but Jacinda

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Speaker 5: and Grant hired him for the Fair Payments a Fair

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Speaker 5: Pay Agreements Working Group to essentially unwind that Employment Contracts Act,

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Speaker 5: which he himself had become publicly critical of. He also

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Speaker 5: became critical of the neoliberal policies of his government. He

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Speaker 5: And I've wondered about this what happened to him in

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Speaker 5: recent years. I've wandered about that affair. Bit I wondered,

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Speaker 5: did Jim Bolger criticize his own government because he had

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Speaker 5: Or did Jim Bolger criticize his own government because he

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Speaker 5: I think history has actually been kind to him. His

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Speaker 5: can think of worse things than being remembered for being decent.

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Speaker 2: Together do for see Ellen.

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Speaker 5: N nineteen text number standard textpece of players. I say,

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Speaker 5: Ruth Richardson's with us half the five on that of course,

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Speaker 5: Barry Soper, who smoked a fair number of cigarettes and

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Speaker 5: us at about quarter to five now. Health Minister Simeon

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Speaker 5: Brown this morning accused senior doctors of crossing an ethical

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Speaker 6: When a union chooses strike action that forces thousands of

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Speaker 5: Sarah Dalton is the executive director of the Association of

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Speaker 5: Salaried Medical Specialists. Hi Sarah, Hi hever, how's it going

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Speaker 5: and good? Thank you? So why are the booing and jeering?

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Speaker 7: I think our members were genuinely shocked at the way

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Speaker 5: Okay, So is it a case of doctors simply being frustrated.

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Speaker 5: I mean it sounds like doctors are frustrated they can't

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Speaker 7: Oh, I think it's a reasonable thing for any working

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Speaker 2: We really need, Sarah.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I'm sorry to say this, but isn't he

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Speaker 7: I don't believe. So they're working people with rights to

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Speaker 7: Our last who offers to go to mediation with help

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Speaker 5: But you were offering just this month, you guys, these

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Speaker 5: It would have settled it, it would have been fair,

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Speaker 5: and they chose instead to strike.

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Speaker 7: Well, we aren't confident that there's no formal arbitration process

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Speaker 7: Health New Zealand, they are making a pitch for fixing.

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Speaker 7: We don't believe they'll make that test. We think it

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Speaker 5: But you can't. That's the point, right, So you guys

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Speaker 5: not saying it's your fault or their fault. It simply

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Speaker 5: you are unable to reach a point together. Final arbitration

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Speaker 7: You chose to strike, We chose to go back to

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Speaker 7: the table. I mean arbitration doesn't as the minister described,

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Speaker 7: it doesn't exist as a framework in the country. So

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Speaker 5: Was the loads of people go to final arbitration.

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Speaker 7: I don't believe they do.

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Speaker 7: That is a specific arrangement for the police, and that

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Speaker 5: So the framework does exist, Sarah, So it would simply

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Speaker 7: I guess that's one lens that you can bring to it.

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Speaker 5: You guys have put yourself in the position where what

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Speaker 7: It's not the way we see it, And I don't

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Speaker 7: But as I've said, we are happy to continue the conversation.

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Speaker 7: We believe that there are ways forward, and we were

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Speaker 7: It's not us who are refusing to do that, it

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Speaker 7: I believe the door should be open and I'm also

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Speaker 5: Sarah, listen, thank you very much, appreciate it, Go back

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Speaker 5: and enjoy the conference. That's Sarah Dulton, the executive director

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Speaker 5: of the Association of Salaried Medical Specialists. Look, we've got

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Speaker 5: if Israel's got five, five to six, we're still short

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Speaker 5: Trouble for them is that Trump is apparently Trump's ratcheting

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Speaker 5: Yeah, as I thought, texts are definitely not in favor

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Speaker 5: of the doctor's Heather. I'm sorry, but the doctors are

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Speaker 5: being precious and disrespectful. Sarah was being disingenuous. Simeon Brown

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Speaker 5: was on point with his comments. It's from Mark eighteen

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Speaker 5: Responsibly Elliott Smith sports talk hosters of me. Hey, Elliott, So,

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Speaker 5: Billy Slater doesn't love what rugby leagu's doing.

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Speaker 8: Yes, it's not necessary. I think the words were a

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Speaker 8: believes that they should back the game that they've got,

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Speaker 8: believes it's at the best it's ever been in terms

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Speaker 5: He's got a point. I think R three sixty is

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Speaker 5: at best a threat to world rugby, not rugby league.

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Speaker 8: No, but it's interesting that all the players from the

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Speaker 8: by and large league players more so than union players.

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Speaker 5: Why do you think that is right? Because the I

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Speaker 5: I was under the the theory is that it's because

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Speaker 5: they can't get any world run any rugby union players.

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Speaker 5: But I thought it was simply because Saudi rugby can

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Speaker 8: Quite possibly, But is signing pain Haass going to start

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Speaker 8: kickstart R three sixty and get it on the map worldwide.

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Speaker 8: I'd argue that that rugby union players are more well

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Speaker 8: so what so what's the what's in it for them?

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Speaker 8: Are they going to be able to sell more seconds

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Speaker 8: as a result of these league players going over?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? So they haven't got the star powers you're arguing,

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Speaker 5: but boy, they've got the leagues they do. I don't

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Speaker 8: Ways of running fast and all that, but to me

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Speaker 8: of don't worry about it, do you? It's not going

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Speaker 5: I don't.

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Speaker 8: I don't think there's a risk that any one of

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Speaker 5: Are they worried that?

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Speaker 2: Are you sure?

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Speaker 5: Because Arties this is the.

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Speaker 8: Back end of his career. Yeah, I'm talking players in

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Speaker 8: I would be stunned if they go. Okay, look, look

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Speaker 8: a huge amount of money. They're being off a huge

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Speaker 8: There's no intel the R three second you doesn't even

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Speaker 5: Because are they? Are they hearing that it's other players?

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Speaker 8: And maybe if look, if they get a big fish,

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Speaker 5: Now, listen, I can't believe the comm Games is going

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Speaker 8: We started to you.

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Speaker 5: No, not at all.

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Speaker 8: We thought the comwayth Games are deady year ago.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, when you say good news, good news, because it's

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Speaker 8: We'll host this thing, but no more good news at

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Speaker 9: Yes?

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Speaker 5: They'd be ah so the News Today regrab One obviously

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Speaker 5: as it's been put into liquidation. And this doesn't appear

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Speaker 5: because vouchers are not necessarily going to be honored. Now,

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Speaker 5: Right now, it's full twenty five together Allen Erukappa Kingy.

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Speaker 5: It drags on and on and on. So Eru Kappa KINGI,

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Speaker 10: No one asked for even I would assume before this

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Speaker 11: Told about me that, you know, I'd be like real

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Speaker 10: I feel so at peace, I feel free, I feel liberated.

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Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, has struck you how self involved everybody

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Speaker 5: If we could deal with some of these allegations rather

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Speaker 10: There that are going to make stuff up about you,

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Speaker 10: But what I can say to you, fellas, is like,

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Speaker 5: Or as Tait said, the hater's gonna hate hate, hate,

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Speaker 5: hate hate, So shake it off. That's basically what edws

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 5: I want to know some more anyway about the allegations,

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Speaker 5: not the sleep Murry Olds is going to be with

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Speaker 5: us shortly here that wake up. The doctors are worth more.

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Speaker 5: Who saved Barrie's life, well qualified professionals. Listen, No one

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Speaker 5: I just think the doctors should have used the opportunity

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Speaker 2: Cutting through the noise to get the facts.

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Speaker 1: like no one else news talks.

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Speaker 2: They'd be sorry that yard.

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Speaker 5: Like Barry Sofa is going to be with us. In

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Speaker 5: glory of the look. I'll tell you what, bloody grim.

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Speaker 5: What's happened is police and ot Autongotimiki formerly known as SIFs,

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Speaker 5: have been secretly conducting a major investigation into Gloria Veil

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Speaker 5: formal warnings to members of Gloria Veil. Now, Virginia Courage

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Speaker 5: five to talk us through it. Murriolds are standing by

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Speaker 2: It's the world wires on newstalks. They'd be drive.

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Speaker 12: First, Hamas has to give up a times. We agree

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Speaker 2: I want to see it stop.

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Speaker 13: So I was not happy that India was buying oil,

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Speaker 2: That's a big stop.

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Speaker 5: And finally, what's a most restern California, Aya has been

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Speaker 1: Supplies international correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of

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Speaker 5: Murray Old's Ossie corresponds with us.

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Speaker 4: Now heymus hi there here, they're going to afternoon.

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Speaker 5: Okay, So what's going on with employment?

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Speaker 4: Well it's not a pretty picture.

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Speaker 14: Jobless rate at the highest level now in four years,

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Speaker 14: Back in February this year, there was a huge spike

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Speaker 14: So the state government brought in laws that were cloaked

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Speaker 14: obstructed or frightened or fearful or you know, anything along

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Speaker 14: those lives. It was a step too far for the

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Speaker 14: government well and the police, and the Supreme Court today

442
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Speaker 14: has ruled yes, in fact, it was an overreach. It's

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Speaker 14: a step too far in terms of allowing protests against

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Speaker 14: governments or political matters. It's been embarrassing for the New

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Speaker 14: South Wales government. It's been very hot and strong on this,

446
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Speaker 14: as you might expect governments here, the governments everywhere don't

447
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Speaker 14: want to see this sort of stuff in our society,

448
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Speaker 14: you know, hateful speech, spray paid on the walls of

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Speaker 14: the places of worship, it's dreadful. The power to move

450
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Speaker 14: on has been ruled invalid, but it will still be

451
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Speaker 14: a crime to impede people, to harass people, to intimidate

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Speaker 14: them if they're trying to go in and out of

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Speaker 14: a synagogue or a moscow, a church.

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Speaker 5: So the police, for you, though why do these activists

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Speaker 5: have to be anywhere near synagogues?

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Speaker 4: Well, I suppose they think it gets them an extra headline.

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Speaker 4: I mean, they're all headline chases, aren't they.

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Speaker 14: I mean, anything we do here by way of protest

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Speaker 14: doesn't resonate, but doesn't ripple far beyond Sydney. I mean,

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Speaker 14: to be honest, unless you get on the harbor bridges

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Speaker 14: they did, unless you get down on the Opera House.

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Speaker 4: I mean, those images go around the world. But your

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Speaker 4: point's very valid.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I mean it strikes me that we're conflating

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Speaker 5: a state with its religion and they're not necessarily the

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Speaker 5: same vigion. Do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: One hundred percent?

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Speaker 14: I mean, just stay away from bloody churches. I mean

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Speaker 14: it's a bit sort of I don't know, a bit

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Speaker 14: the Spanish inquisitions. I mean, there's no need to go

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Speaker 14: near a synagogue or a mosco or a church from.

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Speaker 5: Leave those people alone, all right. So Tidmus is retiring.

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Speaker 4: She is, indeed, and look it's a big loss for

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Speaker 4: Australian swimming.

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Speaker 14: She's only twenty five years old, but she's been at

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Speaker 14: the pool since she was about six, so it's a hell.

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Speaker 4: Of a career from this young woman.

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Speaker 14: She's one of the greatest distance swimmers ever, not just

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Speaker 14: in Australia but for all time. Eight Olympic medals at

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Speaker 14: the Games in Paris and in Tokyo, four of those gold,

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Speaker 14: nine World championship titles, including world championship medals, including four

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Speaker 14: titles at world level. And look, she is a bit

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Speaker 14: of a loss, has no doubt about that. She was

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Speaker 14: an absolute weapon. She earned arian Tiitmas her nickname was

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Speaker 14: the terminator and you know the likes of Katie Ladecki.

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Speaker 4: She mowed her down and Lidecki.

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Speaker 14: Is one of the greatest, one of the goats of

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Speaker 14: swimming and Tipmas had her measure twice at Olympic level.

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Speaker 14: So a very big loss to Australian swimming. But look,

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Speaker 14: she's a bright, very attractive in terms of public personality.

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Speaker 4: She's got a big career in the media somewhere, I'm

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Speaker 4: sure of it.

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Speaker 5: Brilliant stuff. Thank you very much, Mauz, appreciate it. Mariol's

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Speaker 5: Australia correspondent eighteen away from.

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Speaker 2: Five Heather due for c Ellen.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the Rugby three sixty is going to change some

497
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Speaker 5: of the rules of rugby and it will become a

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Speaker 5: hybrid of league, and that's why that after the league

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Speaker 5: plays geez. I hope you're right. I hope you'll right,

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Speaker 5: because it strikes me that the problem, this is what

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Speaker 5: I've been saying for age is the problem with rugby

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Speaker 5: union is the rules, isn't it. It's just so dull.

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Speaker 5: It has become a defensive game. It's boring to watch.

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Speaker 5: That's why everybody switching over to league and loving it.

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Speaker 5: So if they can do a little hybrid, it might

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Speaker 5: actually be the very thing that world rugby needs to

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Speaker 5: see in action in order to change its own rules. Anyway,

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Speaker 5: I've got an update for you on Treva Mallard. Do

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Speaker 5: you remember how Winston called Trevor Mallard back from Ireland

510
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Speaker 5: or was it August August something like that, and he's like,

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Speaker 5: Trevor Mallard's coming back early, and everybody looked at it

512
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Speaker 5: and went, well is he though, because he's supposed to

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Speaker 5: come back in January and you're only bringing him back

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Speaker 5: in November. So I didn't feel that early. Well, it

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Speaker 5: turns out there's a reason for that, Mallard. Winston did

516
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Speaker 5: actually want Mallard back pretty much immediately when they wrote

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Speaker 5: to him in augustish or whatever. They were like, you

518
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Speaker 5: need to come immediately. The problem was Mallard's dog. So

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Speaker 5: the rules of New Zealand say that if you are

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Speaker 5: going to bring your dog back to New Zealand or

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Speaker 5: a dog to New Zealand, it has to have a

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Speaker 5: set of vaccinations and those vaccinations have to have according

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Speaker 5: to Mallard back and he was like, can't come back immediately.

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Speaker 5: Dog needs to be jabbed, needs to be six months,

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Speaker 5: and he'd had the jab the jabs had already been done,

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Speaker 5: but only three weeks earlier, so you know he wasn't

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Speaker 5: going to be able to come back early anyway, They

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Speaker 5: wrote back to him, these are the poor m fat

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Speaker 5: people who have to relay the bad news. Relayed the

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Speaker 5: bad news. Winston wasn't changing his mind and it wasn't

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Speaker 5: too worried about the quote pup and he needed to

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Speaker 5: come back immediately. And then he said, I might have

533
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Speaker 5: a little bit. I might be able to sort this

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Speaker 5: out with the dog. So I don't know, maybe the dog,

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Speaker 5: maybe maybe the vaccination rules weren't six months, but they

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Speaker 5: were some months, which is why he only ended up

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Speaker 5: coming well, he's only ending up coming back by the

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Speaker 5: looks of things. Next month sixteen away from.

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Speaker 1: Five Politics was centric credit, check your customers and get

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Speaker 1: payments certay.

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Speaker 5: Ben has had a bit of trouble with the grab

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Speaker 5: one and he's just solved it. So I'm going to

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Speaker 5: run you through that in a minute, so you can

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Speaker 5: solve it for yourself if you need to.

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Speaker 15: Right now.

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Speaker 5: It's thirteen away from five and Barry Sober, Senior Political

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Speaker 5: Correspondence with US Barry, Hello, Okay, Jim Bolger, so sad day.

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Speaker 4: Yeah it is.

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Speaker 13: He's been ill for quite some time and in fact

550
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Speaker 13: was very close to death several months ago but pulled through.

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Speaker 13: And I heard just the other day when I talked

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Speaker 13: to you on air about it, that has repalliative care

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Speaker 13: at Wellington Hospital. So he died yesterday amazingly surrounded by

554
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Speaker 13: his nine kids, his wife Joan, and his eighteen grandchildren,

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Speaker 13: so you know, there was rather a large crowd exactly.

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Speaker 13: And look, I met Jim Bolder in the seventies when

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Speaker 13: I was the industrial roundsman for TV and Z and

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Speaker 13: he was the labor Minister for Rob Muldoon, and I

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Speaker 13: remember being quite astounded that he when I was a

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Speaker 13: young man. Of course, invited up for a drink in

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Speaker 13: the Labor Minister's office, and we did that on a

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Speaker 13: number of occasions, as you mentioned earlier. But it just

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Speaker 13: goes to show the power of television in the politician's

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Speaker 13: mind that they immediately adopt a television journalist, as he

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Speaker 13: did me to a fairly large extent. He used to

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Speaker 13: mimic Jim Knox, who was the president of the FIO

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Speaker 13: WEL in those days, and then expect to sit down

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Speaker 13: the next day and have a meaningful discussion with him,

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Speaker 13: and Jim was none too happy. This is Jim Knox

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Speaker 13: was none too happy about that. One of the more

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Speaker 13: interesting stories here there is him meeting Nelson Mandala in

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Speaker 13: Hurrahra in nineteen ninety one. There was a Commonwealth heads

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Speaker 13: of government meeting there and I was with Bolger and

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Speaker 13: he was We were mixing with the leaders as a

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Speaker 13: cocktail function and making an exit almost Bolgier was a

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Speaker 13: bit tired of the small talk and a man, an

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Speaker 13: African man, came through the exit door and said to me,

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Speaker 13: are you with a prime minister? And I said, well,

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Speaker 13: that's our prime minister there, and he said, can you

580
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Speaker 13: introduce this man who's coming through the door now to

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Speaker 13: him was Nelson Mandela, and Bolger was very quick. The

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Speaker 13: very next morning he booked almost immediately for breakfast the

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Speaker 13: next morning. And my abiding memory of that was that

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Speaker 13: I was shoved out of the way at this cocktail

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Speaker 13: function Philly, forcibly by none other than Bob Hawk, who

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Speaker 13: kind of sway through the crowd because he wanted to

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Speaker 13: be in on the Mandela thing. But Bolger got a

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Speaker 13: bit of.

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Speaker 5: A coup there.

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Speaker 13: And then several years later went to Mandala's inauguration in

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Speaker 13: nineteen ninety four, and I was with him again. There

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Speaker 13: he got a souvenir bottle of wine of Nineberg Cabinet Savignon,

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Speaker 13: and it was a large one and later and a

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Speaker 13: half and I happened to be at the lunch and

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Speaker 13: said to Bolgia, where'd.

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Speaker 4: You get that from?

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Speaker 13: He said, oh, that waiter over there gave me it

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Speaker 13: as a souvenir. So I thought, bucket this. I'm going

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Speaker 13: to go over and talk to the waiter as well.

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Speaker 4: Went over. He gave me one.

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Speaker 13: Well, Bolger drank his. I think, Philly. Soon after getting

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Speaker 13: back to the country, I've still got mine here.

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Speaker 5: But you realize, you realize it's going to be soury, but.

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Speaker 13: It's got the presidential seal on the bottle.

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Speaker 2: He would have.

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Speaker 5: No, No, I think it's a it's now a family

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Speaker 5: loom appreciated by no one. Carry on, carryll that's true.

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Speaker 13: But look, Parliament's adjourned for the week now because they

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Speaker 13: sat this afternoon in honor of Jim Bolger. A number

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Speaker 13: paid tribute to him. Here's Labour's Chris Hopkins, followed by

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Speaker 13: Winston Peters.

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Speaker 16: Jim Bolger's life is full of contradictions. Has government sold

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Speaker 16: the Bank of New Zealand and then he was the

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Speaker 16: inaugural chair of the new government owned Kiwibank.

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Speaker 4: Has Government ushered.

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Speaker 16: In the Employment Contracts Act, and then subsequently he chaired

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Speaker 16: a working group that led to the establishment of fair

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Speaker 16: pay agreements. His government did more to weekend unions than

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Speaker 16: just about any other. But then in his later years

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Speaker 16: he lamented how small unions had become in the effect

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Speaker 16: that that it had for working people. He sacked Winston

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Speaker 16: Peters from his cabinet and then formed New Zealand's first

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Speaker 16: MMP coalition with Winston Peters as his deputy Prime minister.

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Speaker 16: A government that it's transpired to be remarkably stable, much

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Speaker 16: so the frustration of the then Labor Party opposition. I

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Speaker 16: do want to acknowledge Winston Peters today the only remaining

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Speaker 16: member of the House who served in government with Jim

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Speaker 16: Bolger during the time that he was Prime Minister we.

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Speaker 17: Formed the first MMP government. He put difference aside, shook

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Speaker 17: hands on that agreement, and more importantly, he kept his word.

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Speaker 17: Today we can and must acknowledge that Jim Bolder contributed

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Speaker 17: to a time of enormous difficulty economically and changed to

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Speaker 17: New Zealand. But a far bet importance than this, we

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Speaker 17: acknowledged the passing of a husband, father, and grandfather. Jim,

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Speaker 17: May God bless you.

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Speaker 13: So Winston was quite emotional I think about it all.

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Speaker 13: But Chris Hopkins wasn't quite right. It wasn't he wasn't.

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Speaker 13: The only person in the House today that had served

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Speaker 13: in a government with Jim Bolger's leader was Jerry Brownlee

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Speaker 13: was also came into Parliament in the first MMP elect

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Speaker 13: in nineteen ninety six, and he remembers a party in

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Speaker 13: the Speaker's Lounge after winning that election when Doug Kidd

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Speaker 13: was in the chair which he occupies today, which.

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Speaker 18: Loved gatherings of people. He enjoyed, as any true Irishman would,

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Speaker 18: the opportunity to be with other people. And I recall

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Speaker 18: it shortly after the formation of the nineteen ninety six government,

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Speaker 18: Doug Kidd invited a number of senior ministers and members

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Speaker 18: to the Speaker's Lounge for ongoing discussions, which you can

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Speaker 18: alleage involved a lot of you know, well, basically they

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Speaker 18: loved their whiskey. And Doug pointed at me and said,

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Speaker 18: you come too, So I did. But I found out

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Speaker 18: I was any there to be the waiter, and I

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Speaker 18: was quickly dispatched by Jimbolgia to go and find he

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Speaker 18: in Revel, who played a guitar. He said, get Revel,

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Speaker 18: get his guitar, get him back here. We're going to

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Speaker 18: sing some songs. He loves singing. But then he dragged

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Speaker 18: everybody out onto the balcony just outside the Speaker's loue,

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Speaker 18: drinks in hand, some smoke ascending above their heads, and

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Speaker 18: then led the group in a resounding rendition of Danny Boy.

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Speaker 18: And you just think thisself could have prime in us

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Speaker 18: to do that. Today, the reality is that he was

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Speaker 18: able to beat himself with those who he worked with,

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Speaker 18: and too often I think we have to hide that

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Speaker 18: away because of the malicious nature of social media these days.

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Speaker 5: Barry, thank you very much, Barry So for senior political correspondent.

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Speaker 1: The headlines and the hard questions. It's the Mike asking breakfast.

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Speaker 2: Your thoughts this morning on Jim Bolger.

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Speaker 19: Oh.

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Speaker 20: I was sweet with Jim Bulger for many years in politics.

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Speaker 20: He was such an interesting mix. He was a conservative

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Speaker 20: Taranaki farmer who had the courage to kick off the

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Speaker 20: treaty settlement process. Took on his own party an electioneer

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Speaker 20: in nineteen ninety six to sign the Knightahu and Taiinui settlements.

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Speaker 20: So you, underneath the political maneuvering was a will of

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Speaker 20: steel and some deep principle people forget. He was also

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Speaker 20: the guy who bought an AMMP oversaw that process, you know,

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Speaker 20: accepting the will of the people.

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Speaker 21: Back tomorrow at six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 21: a Vida News talk.

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Speaker 5: Z B Heather, who is paying for the mark? This

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Speaker 5: is Mallard's dog. Not sure but probably you to be honest,

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Speaker 5: So this is the drama with Ben Okay. So Ben

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Speaker 5: texts me earlier he said, Heather, I have eight vouchers

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Speaker 5: for the christ Church Adventure Park. I bought them on

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Speaker 5: Grab one. I now here Grab one has gone broken.

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Speaker 5: I can't use these tickets. I'm really pissed off and

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Speaker 5: I feel scammed. Well, five minutes later, Ben sends me

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Speaker 5: a text, Heather, I paid Grab one from my credit card.

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Speaker 5: I've just been on the phone to my bank and

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Speaker 5: it's within ninety days so they can reverse the transaction.

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Speaker 22: Now.

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Speaker 5: I'm very happy Ben changed just like that. So here's

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Speaker 5: a tip, right if you have within the last ninety

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Speaker 5: days brought yourself a Grab one voucher, now that they're

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Speaker 5: in liquidation, you might also be able to get that

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Speaker 5: transaction reversed. It's worth it, you know, you save what

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Speaker 5: is it? Mind the penny, save the pounds or whatever.

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Speaker 5: I've done a terrible job of that saying, haven't I Anyway.

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Speaker 5: Ruth Richardson is with us straight after the News talk

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Speaker 5: Us through John Jim Bolger, News Talks a.

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Speaker 2: B pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather Duplicyl and Drive with One New Zealand coverage

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Speaker 1: like no one else.

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Speaker 2: News Talks V.

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Speaker 5: Afternoon MP's across the House of paid tribute to former

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Speaker 5: Prime Minister Jim Bolger, who passed away at ninety Winston

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Speaker 5: Peters is one of only two MP's in Parliament today

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Speaker 5: who served m Bulger's government.

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Speaker 17: It's true to say that twenty nine years ago, nine

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Speaker 17: ninety six, we formed the first MMP government. We he

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Speaker 17: put differences aside, shook hands on that agreement, and more importantly,

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Speaker 17: he kept his word.

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Speaker 5: And Chris Luxon said that even recently he'd been getting

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Speaker 5: the odd call from Jim, but.

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Speaker 18: Since becoming Prime Minister I received a few quiet phone

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Speaker 18: calls from him.

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Speaker 9: They were short, sincere and thoughtful.

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Speaker 18: He offered encouragement, perspective and advice, advice that I took seriously.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 5: Ruth Richardson was Jim Bolger's first Finance minister.

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Speaker 23: Hi, Ruth, greetings, Heather.

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Speaker 5: You have much of a relationship with Jim Bolder in

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Speaker 5: recent days.

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Speaker 23: I last saw him at the Press Gallery anniversary and he,

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Speaker 23: as always, was magnanimous but dismissive because he had come

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Speaker 23: to take a very different view of public policy to mine.

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Speaker 23: Our most crossing of swords in his post politics years

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Speaker 23: were over Brexit, where I predicted that Brexit would be

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Speaker 23: voted in by the British public and he completely poopooed me,

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Speaker 23: and I must say a bit of glee in doing.

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Speaker 5: I told you so, how do you feel about what

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Speaker 5: happened in the last well, I want to say the

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Speaker 5: last few years, but it really is a very long time.

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Speaker 5: But recently he had come to criticize his own government

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Speaker 5: and then what he calls the neoliberal policies. How did

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Speaker 5: you feel about that?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 23: I felt of it, affronted, and I think he sold

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Speaker 23: himself short. I mean, he showed policy bravery when he

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Speaker 23: had to. He gave the reformers licenses to you know,

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Speaker 23: completely and fundamentally change for school policy, labor market policy.

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Speaker 23: He was not an accessory after the fact, he was

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Speaker 23: part of that government. And to me, he really did

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Speaker 23: put a slur on his own reputation by recanting, because

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Speaker 23: he recanted on no good evidence at all. If you

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Speaker 23: look at the labor market, it's been highly successful. If

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Speaker 23: you have a look at the fiscal responsibility rules, they've

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Speaker 23: generally been highly successful. So why he would want from

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Speaker 23: a great height to effectively do the proverbial on set

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Speaker 23: access I do not know.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, what do you think happened there? Did he did

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Speaker 5: he just reflect on what had happened in the nineties

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Speaker 5: and regretted or actually, was he always in the wrong party?

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Speaker 23: I don't think he was in the wrong party. But

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Speaker 23: remember the National Party as a party of management. It's

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Speaker 23: a party that is transactional. The government of which I

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Speaker 23: was a member and which he was a willing participant

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Speaker 23: in those first three years, was a government of transformation.

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Speaker 23: So to an extent, that's a deviation from the norm

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Speaker 23: of the National Party, and he just reverted to type.

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Speaker 23: He learned his political craft at the knees of Moldowon

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Speaker 23: He and Birch and Crewe slope filled rooms. They were

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Speaker 23: used to doing the deals. This was a new era

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Speaker 23: and it wasn't that he was dragged into it kicking

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Speaker 23: and screaming. His hand was forced by dreadful economic circumstances

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Speaker 23: that we faced, a real baptism of farm We did

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Speaker 23: what was right and the results you seven percent growth,

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Speaker 23: The books are balanced. Any minister of financial would gether

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Speaker 23: their iteth for that sort of result today from those policies,

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Speaker 23: what do.

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Speaker 5: You think his legacy will be? Because he's kind of

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Speaker 5: divorced himself from that right by Es seems to kind

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Speaker 5: of divorcing himself from you on that. Do you think

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Speaker 5: his legacy is going to be what happened with the settlements?

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Speaker 23: His legacy should be fiscal responsibility. You know, he stood

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Speaker 23: up when he had to, which is much more than

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Speaker 23: subsequent governments had dealings, say with the age of superannuation,

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Speaker 23: where they've just basically piked. He didn't pike. He didn't flinch.

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Speaker 23: On treaty settlements. He will be remembered as the initiator

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Speaker 23: of that, and in fact it started in nineteen ninety

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Speaker 23: two with the Sea Lord's settlement. Was the first showing

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Speaker 23: of hand that we were prepared to seek some deal

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Speaker 23: with grievances and give some financial redress. I think the

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Speaker 23: other apart from MMP, which I think is a blot

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Speaker 23: on the electoral landscape and of stopping us from making

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Speaker 23: high quality, good decisions. Now, his other legacy is a

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Speaker 23: physical one, and that is to Papa. You know, we

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Speaker 23: had no business funding to paper. When we did, we

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Speaker 23: were in dire straits. Jim had agreed in the Cabinet

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Speaker 23: Committee that we wouldn't go ahead right project, wrong time,

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Speaker 23: and I think it was Joan that changed his mind

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Speaker 23: over the weekend it came to cabinet on Monday morning

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Speaker 23: and said we're going to do it, and you know

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Speaker 23: I was left you a bit gobs back, but we

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Speaker 23: did it.

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Speaker 5: Ruth, thank you very much, appreciate it.

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Speaker 7: On.

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Speaker 5: Ruth Richardson, former Finance ministand to Jim bolgerver Do for

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Speaker 5: celan So Police and Autonga Timiniki. We now find out

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Speaker 5: have been secretly investigating Glory of Ail for serious allegations

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Speaker 5: of mistreatment of children. It's been reported that members of

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Speaker 5: Gloria Ail have been silencing crying children and baby by

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Speaker 5: covering their mouths and noses. The investigation started last year

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Speaker 5: after the release of the Royal Commission Virginia Courage is

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Speaker 5: a Glory of our lever High Virginia. Hello, you've seen

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Speaker 5: this happening, haven't you.

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Speaker 24: He's the head.

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Speaker 5: What did you see?

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Speaker 24: And So as a younger child, I definitely witnessed other

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Speaker 24: children having this technique, their hands and their mouths being

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Speaker 24: covered to stop them crying, to stop them fussing, and yeah,

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Speaker 24: it wasn't very nice watching it.

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Speaker 25: As a kid.

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Speaker 5: No, we're talking about little babies here.

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Speaker 2: Ah.

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Speaker 25: Us.

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Speaker 24: This technique was used on babies definitely from six months

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Speaker 24: and older.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, designed to break their will, isn't it.

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Speaker 24: Well, it was one of the discipline child wearing technie

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Speaker 24: that was used in Glory Vale, but it was definitely

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Speaker 24: around making sure that your child would stop crying when

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Speaker 24: they were asked, because they knew that the punishment would

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Speaker 24: get extreme pretty fast.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, I mean that's quite a dangerous thing to do.

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Speaker 5: Have any kids actually died as a result of this? No,

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Speaker 5: not that I'm aware of lost consciousness.

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Speaker 26: I was involved in.

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Speaker 24: A situation and at a little boy was brought to

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Speaker 24: me and he was unconscious from going through this discipline technique,

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Speaker 24: and he was he wasn't breathing, and his father sort

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Speaker 24: of just like threw and met me. I didn't. I

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Speaker 24: don't even know if you said anything. I just went

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Speaker 24: straight into usiskid breathing mode and you did. It was

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Speaker 24: pretty pretty extreme.

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Speaker 5: Do you think, I mean, what you were talking about

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Speaker 5: is stuff that you were involved in, you know, around

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Speaker 5: about twenty years ago. Is it still happening?

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Speaker 27: Well?

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Speaker 24: Interestingly, interestingly enough, twenty five Glory while undertook some parenting

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Speaker 24: courses and that was to actually help around child's behavior

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Speaker 24: and alternative methods of wearing our kids and learning some

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Speaker 24: different practices because most of Glorivald's child wearing practices were

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Speaker 24: quite extreme. But when we left my husband and nine

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Speaker 24: and our teen children in twenty twenty nineteen, this was

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Speaker 24: never mentioned about the practice of covering their nose of mouth.

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Speaker 24: It was never brought up. There is something we were going.

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Speaker 26: To stop doing.

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Speaker 5: Oh, I see, okay, So it was still happening in

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Speaker 5: twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 7: Do you think I would say so okay?

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Speaker 24: Now there's no public meantia of that not being okay?

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Speaker 24: Why would people stop it?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Virginia, listen, thank you very much. We'll have to

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Speaker 5: leave it there. I do appreciate your time. Virginia, courage,

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Speaker 5: glory of our lever Right, we'll deal with the grab

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Speaker 5: one situation. Next five to.

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Speaker 2: Heather do Allen.

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Speaker 5: Zealand CEO Jason Powis says, this is about using technology

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Speaker 5: to help preserve our natural heritage. A powerful combo of

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Speaker 5: business smarts and environmental care. Better connectivity, better conservation, a

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Speaker 5: win win for New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Heather d For ce Ellen, if you haven't heard.

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Speaker 5: The latest with the fairies that we're brought from are

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Speaker 5: buying from China, you're gonna want to hear this, so

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Speaker 5: stand by. It's twenty past five online deal website, though

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Speaker 5: grab one has gone into liquidation today.

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Speaker 26: As you know.

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Speaker 5: Trouble is, this is not good news. For people who've

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Speaker 5: bought vouchers, they will not be refunded, according to the liquidators,

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Speaker 5: and that means it's up to businesses to decide whether

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Speaker 5: they're going to honor the vouchers or not. Deon Tilson

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Speaker 5: is the general manager for her Poddokai Springs, and he's

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Speaker 5: with us now. Hey, Dion, Hey, hell you very well,

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Speaker 5: thank you. Are you guys honoring the vouchers?

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Speaker 26: We are yet yet? No, We've made a conscious decision

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Speaker 26: in good face to honor whatever unredeemed vouchers they are

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Speaker 26: out there in the market. Unfortunately we know exactly how

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Speaker 26: many that is because the merchant system has been shut

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Speaker 26: down to them. To other businesses, we expect there's probably

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Speaker 26: up to five hundred still. You know, family and adult

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Speaker 26: vouchers still out there.

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Speaker 5: Have you been paid for them?

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Speaker 26: We haven't been paid for a segment of the school

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Speaker 26: holiday vouchers, so we're estimating we've probably lost twenty thousand

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Speaker 26: dollars and income to date, and potentially another ten to

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Speaker 26: twenty thousand and unredeemed vouchers that we will redeem for

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Speaker 26: customers as long as they can provide some sort of

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Speaker 26: an email or proof bank statement of the like that

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Speaker 26: they did by a voucher in the first place.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, this is the trouble, right because the

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Speaker 5: website's down. They can't necessarily print it out, can they.

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Speaker 26: That's it. So we'll be working with those customers, you know,

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Speaker 26: well always recommend maybe they flick as an email instead

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Speaker 26: of just turning up at the counter, so we can

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Speaker 26: arrange it. We do have, you know, some databases and

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Speaker 26: the most recent databases we downloaded, so we do have

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Speaker 26: some information, but some of the latest purchases we don't

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Speaker 26: have on file. So it is going to be a

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Speaker 26: bit of case by case basis. But you know, we

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Speaker 26: will do our best to honor and make sure that

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Speaker 26: those customers do get the service states.

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Speaker 2: They purchase through grad deon.

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Speaker 5: So you're just doing this for goodwill, like you.

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Speaker 26: Don't have to do this, say well, no, that that's ourbue.

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Speaker 26: No said now, And we've seen a lot of businesses.

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Speaker 26: I've spring to a lot of partners businesses, you know,

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Speaker 26: restaurants and so forth, hotels, they may not be in

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Speaker 26: a position to be able to offer it. You know,

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Speaker 26: we're a hopful complex. A lot of those voucher users

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Speaker 26: are repeat visitors. So you know, they's a good faith

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Speaker 26: aspect to it, and you know we're leading up to Christmas.

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Speaker 26: It's been a tough year. We certainly don't want to

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Speaker 26: put people out of pocket. So you know, we made

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Speaker 26: a conscious decision the managers and the directors to make

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Speaker 26: sure that we do honor those vouchers for those people

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Speaker 26: that have are basically lost out, will being let down

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Speaker 26: by grab one.

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Speaker 5: Good on you man, that's very decent to you. That's

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Speaker 5: Deon Tilson, who is the general manager at Puakaie Springs

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Speaker 5: in Auckland. Right, let's deal with Sean Plunkett The BSA

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Speaker 5: next five twenty.

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Speaker 1: Two ad questions strong opinion here the duplicy Ellen drive

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Speaker 1: with one New Zealand the power of satellite Mobile news

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Speaker 1: Dog said be here.

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Speaker 5: The season three of The Diplomat still hasn't dropped. Do

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Speaker 5: you have any sway with Netflix to sort out the

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Speaker 5: catastrophic as you Laura?

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Speaker 15: So much sway?

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Speaker 5: Yes, so much sway.

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Speaker 4: Laura.

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Speaker 5: Can you look into this please for us? Daniels center

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Speaker 5: text through Daniel will see what we can do for you.

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Speaker 5: Five twenty five. Listen, I don't know how much most

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Speaker 5: people will care about the drama that's unfolding with the BSA. Obviously,

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Speaker 5: here in radio world we do because these people are

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Speaker 5: our watchdog. But if you enjoy watching people try something

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Speaker 5: on and then be forced to retreat, you might enjoy

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Speaker 5: this one. So what's happened here, what's kicked this off,

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Speaker 5: is that the BSA apparently decided in secret that they

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Speaker 5: would give themselves permission to tidy up not just New

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Speaker 5: Zealand's TV and radio, but now also the entire Internet.

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Speaker 5: And the first outfit that they've come after is the Platform. Now,

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Speaker 5: my personal dealings with the BSA have led me to

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Speaker 5: believe that the people drawn to sitting on bodies like

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Speaker 5: the BSA are not always the country's deepest thinkers. And

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Speaker 5: this only reinforces that because if you thought about this

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Speaker 5: for any more than ten minutes, you would realize the

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Speaker 5: BSA should just leave the Internet alone. The BSA can't

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Speaker 5: police the entire Internet, it's too big. What are they

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Speaker 5: seriously proposing to send Joe Rogan a fine for three

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Speaker 5: thousand New Zealand dollars if someone in New Zealand complains

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Speaker 5: about something he said. They can't even realistically police the

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Speaker 5: part of the Internet that New Zealand uses it's too big,

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Speaker 5: too many podcasts, too many videos, audiophiles, live streams, you

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Speaker 5: name it, which means they're going to have to pick

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Speaker 5: and choose what they police and crack down on in

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Speaker 5: the Internet, which will inevitably lead to them being accused

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Speaker 5: of bias and favoritism, which is exactly what has happened here,

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Speaker 5: because the first lot they've come after is the Platform, which,

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Speaker 5: if you know the story, was set up on the

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Speaker 5: Internet precisely to avoid the BSA and its rules. So

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Speaker 5: what a surprise that it's the first one the BSA

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Speaker 5: comes after. What a surprise that they're coppying a huge

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Speaker 5: amount of flack and resistance from all over the show,

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Speaker 5: including Winston and David Semol. It seems to me there

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Speaker 5: is a way out of this for the BSA. They

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Speaker 5: have to back down, because this is just an interim decision.

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Speaker 5: I think they might have to abandon it, and their

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Speaker 5: plans for Internet domination may have to also be abandoned,

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Speaker 5: and then they will have to eat some humble pie,

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Speaker 5: which surely would have been obvious to them if they

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Speaker 5: had only thought about it like the rest of us,

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Speaker 5: for about yeah, I don't know, ten.

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Speaker 2: Minutes, Heather due for c Allen.

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Speaker 5: Oh it's eight pm. Thank you. That's how quick Laura is.

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Speaker 5: She's looked it up for you, Daniel. And the third

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Speaker 5: season of The Diplomat, which I also am excited about.

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Speaker 5: I'm not judging you here. It's excellent and as I said,

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Speaker 5: it's got the two West wingers in it. Eight pm.

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Speaker 5: Sean Plunkett is going to be with us after six

998
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Speaker 5: to talk about the BSA. You're going to want to

999
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Speaker 5: hear what's going on with the Chinese. The Chinese building

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Speaker 5: our ships. It turns out might be a bit of

1001
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Speaker 5: a problem if there is a war with China, we

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Speaker 5: may come to regret it. We're going to talk to

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Speaker 5: Anne Marie Brady about this shortly, Heather. At what time

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Speaker 5: are we going to call out the obvious freak show

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Speaker 5: that is Gloria Ail and somehow have it shut down?

1006
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Speaker 5: It's obvious to all exactly what is going on here. Look, Mark,

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Speaker 5: I think most of us are having very much the

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Speaker 5: same feeling that the world would be better if Gloria

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Speaker 5: Vail didn't exist. But there is no law under which

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Speaker 5: you can shut this down. Right, These are adults, I know,

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Speaker 5: the children don't ask for it. These adults who got

1012
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Speaker 5: together to be weird, right, so you have to basically

1013
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Speaker 5: erode everything they're doing. And that is what the authorities

1014
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Speaker 5: are up to until they close it down themselves. News

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Speaker 5: is next.

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Speaker 2: Digging deeper into the day's headlines.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather Duper Clan Drive with one New Zealand coverage

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Speaker 1: like no one else News talks they'd be.

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Speaker 5: I'd love to know what you think of Kim Kardashian's

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Speaker 5: new lingerie line. Well, Andrew, we're ahead of you on that.

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Speaker 5: We actually covered this on the show yesterday. And I

1022
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Speaker 5: don't know that you know what I just I just

1023
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Speaker 5: said some things about the BSA, and I just feel

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Speaker 5: like they're going to be listening now with their little

1025
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Speaker 5: fingers hovering like you know what. They're not even going

1026
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Speaker 5: to wait for a complaint from anybody listening to this.

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Speaker 5: They are simply going to file a complaint themselves. So

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Speaker 5: I don't need I don't need to be going into

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Speaker 5: her long lingerie line. Let me tell you, though, what

1030
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Speaker 5: I what I would say is I did want say

1031
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Speaker 5: on this show, you should never muck around your eyebrows, right,

1032
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Speaker 5: never make some don't permanently remove your eyebrows with laser

1033
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Speaker 5: or tattoo your eyebrows on, because if you do that

1034
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Speaker 5: and then the fashion changes, you will regret it. And

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Speaker 5: I will simply say it may be true in this

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Speaker 5: case too. Twenty three away from.

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Speaker 2: Six ever, do for Cea Ellen Huddles.

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Speaker 5: Standing by going to be thus shortly Now On another subject,

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Speaker 5: concerns have been raised about the shipyard that the government

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Speaker 5: has chosen to build our new cook straight fairies. It's

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Speaker 5: Guangzhou Shipyard International, which also builds warships for the Chinese Navy,

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Speaker 5: and this has been identified as a high risk shipyard

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Speaker 5: by a research Institute of Washington DC. Anne Marie Brady

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Speaker 5: is a China expert in Canterbury Universe to be Professor

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Speaker 5: and with us high An Marie, good to talk to

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Speaker 5: you here. Do you think it's a bit of a

1047
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Speaker 5: dodgy choice on our part?

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Speaker 28: It's it's quite a confusing signal that our foreigmans are

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Speaker 28: sending us because we know that when he was Foreign

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Speaker 28: Minister with the Adan government and with this government, he's

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Speaker 28: very concerned about the strategic infrastructure and also the harmful

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Speaker 28: aspects of our relationship with China. So it's odd that

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Speaker 28: they have chosen a military shipyard, which is what the

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Speaker 28: Guangdong Shipyard International is in Chinese. It's a gang Guang

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Speaker 28: Chunk wood. It's always been a military ship plutyard. It

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Speaker 28: builds the PLA Navy vessels such as their Taipo two

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Speaker 28: torpedo boat and high speed gun boats. They have also

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Speaker 28: built their hospital. They're a military hospital vessel. So it's

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Speaker 28: it's a it's an unusual because the Fairies are a

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Speaker 28: strategic infrastructure for New Zealand. It's part of our national connectivity.

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Speaker 28: So you wouldn't want to give that kind of the contract,

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Speaker 28: that kind of technology to the state that you're so

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Speaker 28: concerned about. I mean, we know China's did show of

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Speaker 28: force in the Tasman Sea in February.

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Speaker 29: The SAS tell us that China is our main source

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Speaker 29: of foreign interference and spinage. GCSP said, the main source

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Speaker 29: state source of cyber attacks, China threatening economic coercion against us.

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Speaker 29: You think about it, if it was nineteen eighty seven

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Speaker 29: the Soviet Union said hey, I've got a great deal

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Speaker 29: for you on your telecommunication networks. We'd say no, thank you,

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Speaker 29: We'll staly milk powder and buy some larders from you,

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Speaker 29: but we won't give you access to our strategic infrastructures.

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Speaker 28: So it's just a bit of a confusion, confusing signal.

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Speaker 5: I think have you read about the US cranes that

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Speaker 5: have been built the Chinese cranes built for the US ports.

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Speaker 28: Yeah, the US and the EU are looking really hard,

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Speaker 28: and the UK are looking really hard, and Australia at

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Speaker 28: strategic infrastructure and the dependency on China. And we've been

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Speaker 28: through this already, you know our police.

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Speaker 5: But I want to ask you something about the.

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Speaker 28: CCT cameras and they don't about the cranes.

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Speaker 5: Yes, So the thing about the cranes is that they're

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Speaker 5: worried that these cranes are able to have have had

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Speaker 5: vulnerabilities put into them that the Chinese are then able

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Speaker 5: to exploit at a time of their choosing, like a

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Speaker 5: Trojan horse type thing, and then they can take control

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Speaker 5: of the crane if they need them. Is that realistic?

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Speaker 5: And the concern then is that the same thing may

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Speaker 5: be true of the fairies. Is that realistic?

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Speaker 28: Absolutely? Yes, it is. Unfortunately we are back into the

1091
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 28: era of two worlds to strategic technology, and we are

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Speaker 28: also really we've got a hot war in Europe, and

1093
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 28: we've got hybrid warfare in the Indo Pacific and we

1094
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 28: really have we do have a risk of war in

1095
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 28: our region two unfortunately, so we cannot allow strategic technology

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Speaker 28: to be to be from a country where we have

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00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 28: at such a strategic risk as China. You think about

1098
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:18,959
Speaker 28: our New Zealand navy boats, they're not made by China,

1099
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 28: They're made by Germany, Australia, Korea, and we actually had

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Speaker 28: a deal with the Koreans and it's costing US six

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Speaker 28: hundred and seventy million dollars in break three.

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Speaker 4: Oh yea fees.

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Speaker 5: No you don't reverse that against the Koreans. Yeah, no,

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00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 5: I think most of us who care about money think

1105
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 5: this is one of the nuttier things that's happened. Listen,

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Speaker 5: Amory thinks so much appreciated. Add Marie Brady, China expert

1107
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,439
Speaker 5: in Canterburra University, Professor nineteen away from.

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Speaker 1: Six the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the

1109
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 1: global Leader and Luxury real Estate.

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Speaker 5: It turns out that I was very confident the other

1111
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 5: day that something was completely kooky, and I was wrong.

1112
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 5: So I'm going to have to address that before the

1113
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:59,360
Speaker 5: end of this hour with me on the huddle, we

1114
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 5: have cleared law who was of course a journalist, and

1115
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 5: Thomas Scrumser of the Maximums that she'd hire you two.

1116
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,919
Speaker 5: Hello Claire, when was the last time you saw Jim

1117
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 5: Bulger at his.

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00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 3: Ninetieth birthday party earlier this year?

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Speaker 26: And why can I?

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Speaker 3: And you know it was a great occasion. It was

1121
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 3: lower Kevan many of the parties he probably had when

1122
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 3: he was much younger, but you know, he was ninety.

1123
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 3: He was not well, but he was in very good spirits.

1124
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 3: There was a great sort of sense occasion about it.

1125
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:31,479
Speaker 3: Mostly family because goodness me, you know, with nine kids

1126
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 3: and lots of grandchildren and then brothers, sisters, cousins, aunties, uncles.

1127
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:37,720
Speaker 3: It was a big gathering.

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Speaker 5: And then a kid tell me his aunties and uncles

1129
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 5: were still alive.

1130
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 3: No, the aunties and uncles of you know extended rallies,

1131
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 3: you know Jones and Joan's family, you know Jones family there.

1132
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 3: You know, I'm saying, this is a big extended family.

1133
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 3: And the kids, the kids were great. You know, the

1134
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 3: kids range in age from around about sixty to forty

1135
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 3: and so they're all grown ups now, but they composed

1136
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 3: of you know, pretty funny song for their dad. They

1137
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 3: played the guitar. It was a very Irish event in

1138
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 3: many ways, Irish Catholic, and I think he was as

1139
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 3: happy as a clam.

1140
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Speaker 5: Do you think. So, it wasn't really shocked that he

1141
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 5: passed away because he had been really unwell for quite

1142
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 5: a time.

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00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:23,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, his health had been failing, and he remained him

1144
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 3: Really I thought, great spirits given that because he was

1145
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 3: on dialysis at home, you know, up to five times

1146
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 3: a day. That's that's really taxing on the system. It

1147
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 3: stops you doing a whole bunch of other things, really

1148
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 3: restraining on Joan. But they have family nearby, and a

1149
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 3: couple of her daughters lived nearby, and they were sort

1150
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,439
Speaker 3: of in and out all the time. And also Jim

1151
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 3: had the phone and he really you know, took her

1152
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,839
Speaker 3: calling up his old mates, just yearning about the good

1153
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 3: old days and also about what's going on currently in politics.

1154
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 3: And I read, you know, Ruth Richardson commenting on him,

1155
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 3: repudiating some of you know, the policies she drove through. Well,

1156
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 3: he wasn't an ideologue, as I think one could say

1157
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 3: Ruth was. So he had had time to reflect on

1158
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 3: the human whole of those doesn't mean that both policies

1159
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 3: and their implementation was wrong. But he was basically someone

1160
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 3: with a pretty big heart, and he could see that

1161
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 3: there is always somebody who gets the you know, the

1162
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 3: bad end of the deal, and others get much richer

1163
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 3: as a result of some politics.

1164
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Speaker 5: Now, Thomas, you're a bit of a student of politics.

1165
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Speaker 5: What's your take on him?

1166
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Speaker 30: Certainly, I think it's interesting how much of an ambiguous

1167
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 30: figure Jim Bolger is when people reflect on his legacy.

1168
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 30: People who he was collaborating with in politics, Ruth Richardson

1169
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:50,040
Speaker 30: recognized a rift had emerged in how they were viewing

1170
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 30: the legacy of their government, and some people who were

1171
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 30: on the other side of politics came to recognize Jim Bolger.

1172
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 30: I think his largest legacy really is those treaty settlements,

1173
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 30: and many people have recognized that because they were such

1174
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 30: a transitional event for New Zealand politics. He recognized that

1175
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 30: for Mahi to have Mana Motuhaki, to have I guess

1176
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 30: a sense of redress and independence, it was actually economic

1177
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 30: independence that really mattered, and those have been huge successes.

1178
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 30: Nighttahu and Taiinui economic powerhouses now because of what Jim

1179
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 30: Bolger did. And I guess the other observation to make

1180
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 30: is he was our last prime minister without a tertiary education.

1181
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 30: Ever since, it's all been Uni people, and I think

1182
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 30: that's a real shift in New Zealand public life. It's

1183
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 30: hard to imagine now and I think this is a tragedy,

1184
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 30: but it's hard to imagine now who was coming into

1185
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 30: public political leadership without a university education. And I think

1186
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 30: that's real loss to us at you know.

1187
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Speaker 5: What, I actually do agree with you, and also the

1188
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 5: last of the farmer prime ministers, isn't it right? We'll

1189
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 5: take a break come back to you, guys, shortly called

1190
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:51,040
Speaker 5: it to the huddle with.

1191
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Speaker 1: New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, find your one of a kind.

1192
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 5: Twelve away from six and we have the huddle back

1193
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 5: with us Claire de Law and Thomas Scrimgerhead. They read

1194
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 5: the boats, what are you worried about? We're going to

1195
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 5: sink them before any war anyway, which is probably true.

1196
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 5: We'll figure out a way to make the autopilot network. Thomas, A.

1197
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 5: You worried about this with the Chinese?

1198
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 4: Not especially?

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Speaker 30: I mean I can hear the concern people have. China

1200
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 30: is obviously a geopolitical actor that will not always necessarily

1201
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 30: aligned with if we're going to be cagy about language.

1202
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 30: But certainly it's a real risk to New Zealand. But

1203
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 30: we're doing business with China in all aspects of life anyway.

1204
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 30: If we're going to draw a line with engaging with

1205
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 30: China and doing business, purchasing theory seems like a weird

1206
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 30: place to draw that line. Obviously would prefer to have

1207
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 30: a values aligned country to theories off. But if the

1208
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 30: Chinese theories are the best deal, it seems like a

1209
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 30: pragmatic thing to proceed.

1210
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Speaker 5: What do you think, Claire, I'm.

1211
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Speaker 3: Afraid I have to agree. It does seem to me

1212
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 3: gives a degree of paranoia about it, But you know,

1213
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 3: perhaps there is justifiable concern. But I didn't hear Anne

1214
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 3: Marie Brady's favor decision was actually wrong. And I just

1215
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 3: wonder if one looks at the contract, is there an ability,

1216
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:07,920
Speaker 3: for example, for New Zealand to have inspectors go in

1217
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 3: and try and work out where the potential sort of

1218
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 3: software is being planted that's going to track us. Reality is,

1219
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 3: most of us are easily tracked, and you know, communications

1220
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 3: in scept it because we're using iPhones made in China,

1221
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 3: and we have televisions made in China, and we have

1222
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,400
Speaker 3: a range of other things that can track us and

1223
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 3: are attracking us all the time. So I'm not as

1224
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 3: concerned as possibly I should be.

1225
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Speaker 5: Maybe I'm wrong, Yeah, I think I think actually you've

1226
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 5: probably hit the nail on the head there. Clear I

1227
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 5: suspect we should be a little bit more concerned. We're

1228
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 5: probably going to end up having to decide whether we

1229
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 5: want to go to war with them or not. But

1230
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:42,439
Speaker 5: you know who can be bothered being.

1231
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Speaker 3: Well, it's probably also a timing issue. Yeah, you know,

1232
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 3: they probably can deliver on time. Now that's going to

1233
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 3: have been really important to our Minister of Railways. Yeah,

1234
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:52,959
Speaker 3: but these theories are delivered on time.

1235
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Speaker 5: Very good point. Hey, Thomas, what do you think about

1236
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 5: the BSA deciding that it's got greater powers than everyone

1237
01:00:58,080 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 5: else thought they had.

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Speaker 30: Oh, I think they're fairly optimistic if they think they're

1239
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 30: going to be able to get this across the line,

1240
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 30: this little in the new kind of ambiguity. Going back

1241
01:01:07,560 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 30: twenty nineteen, they had a paper where they were trying

1242
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 30: to figure out what they could or couldn't do around

1243
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,919
Speaker 30: the Internet. But I think it's just a basic fact

1244
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 30: that even if they want to, firstly, they should be

1245
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 30: done by legislation, by Parliament deciding. But I just don't

1246
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 30: think they're going to be able to have any control

1247
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 30: over the Internet. Imagine if they did try to regulate

1248
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 30: and were trying to impose sanctions upon Short and Plunket.

1249
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 30: The absolute worst case scenario for him is that he

1250
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 30: moves to Sydney and does the same show, because unlike

1251
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 30: old fashioned media radio and TV, even if it's that

1252
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 30: is produced overseas, it still has to come over New

1253
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 30: Zealand airwaves. But that's not the case with Internet produced material.

1254
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 30: If Plunkett wanted to move to Sydney and do the

1255
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 30: same things cerdainly, none of it is produced or being

1256
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 30: sent over in New Zealand airwaves and he's away laughing.

1257
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 30: So it's probably good for Plunket's brand. He set up

1258
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 30: the platformed you in his own own words, to be independent,

1259
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 30: and now he's got a water fight. So good luck

1260
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 30: to the BSA.

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Speaker 5: I guess, Claire, I don't think they thought this through.

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Speaker 3: What do you think, well, I think if people who

1263
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 3: are opposed to it think it's through. They'll just complain

1264
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 3: about everything and their system will be so clogged up,

1265
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 3: but they will never be able to say the.

1266
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Speaker 5: Excellent point you make, leader, all you need to do

1267
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 5: go listen to the Alternative Alternative Commentary Collective. They swear

1268
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 5: about five hundred and twenty seven times a minute. So

1269
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 5: just complain about all of that to the BSA. They

1270
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 5: won't even be able to get through a day's worth

1271
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 5: of complaints in a year.

1272
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 3: They totally won't. And so if people, you know, I

1273
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:41,520
Speaker 3: want to abstract it, they could easily do that, but

1274
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 3: also have to say, well, what sort of teeth have

1275
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 3: they got, what sort of ancients can they apply that

1276
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 3: are meaningful? They sell them. The BSA sold them, for example,

1277
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 3: asked for broadcaster and radio at least to take down something.

1278
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 3: Usually there's you know, they find that something has been wrong.

1279
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 3: An apology might be required, but mostly broadcasts podcast can

1280
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 3: stay up, and you could argue they should be taken down,

1281
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 3: but they don't usually do that. And so I just

1282
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 3: sort of wonder what the point is of expanding the

1283
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 3: REMIT when what they're doing currently, if it's to have

1284
01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 3: any sort of substantial effect, needs.

1285
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Speaker 5: Reform anyway, it makes such a good point. Guys, it's

1286
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Speaker 5: wonderful to talk to you. Thank you so much. Clear

1287
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 5: to Lord Journalists and Thomas Scrimger Maxim Institute. Do you

1288
01:03:27,520 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 5: know what I actually I'll tell you. Do you know

1289
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 5: what I know what I would complain about? Well, I'm

1290
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:32,959
Speaker 5: actually kind of tempted. I'll tell you. In a minute

1291
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 5: light away from six.

1292
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1293
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1294
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Speaker 5: Heather, is this Chinese fairy thing like the rebels putting

1295
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:50,919
Speaker 5: a fault in the First's Death Star? Sean to answer

1296
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 5: your question? And what was the answer again?

1297
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 20: Please?

1298
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 31: I feel like it would be like if the Empire

1299
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:57,040
Speaker 31: contracted out to the rebels to build the death Staff

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Speaker 31: for them.

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Speaker 5: I think that's that sort of thing, yes, And that

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Speaker 5: would be wouldn't for the Empire to ask the rebels

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Speaker 5: to build the desk?

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01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 31: Well, I mean they just have to check very very

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01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:06,560
Speaker 31: carefully that the Rebels hadn't put a fault in the

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Speaker 31: Death Star.

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Speaker 15: That would allow them to blow it up.

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Speaker 5: So think about that.

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Speaker 15: Spoilers for the First Stars movie there.

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Speaker 5: Yes, spoilers for when China takes over Taiwan anyway, five

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Speaker 5: away from six. So this is what I would complain about.

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Speaker 5: Now that the BSA thinks it's going to it's going

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Speaker 5: to tidy up the Internet, I would complain. I feel

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01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:23,840
Speaker 5: like I feel like the thing to do here is

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Speaker 5: hassle them, just just for the giggles, right, just for

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01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 5: the shits and giggles BSA anyway, So this is what

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Speaker 5: I would do as I would get everybody to just

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Speaker 5: complain about the Keddy White the Ketty White te video.

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Speaker 5: Do you remember the Keddy Whitet video She who is

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Speaker 5: married to Hwiti and daughter of John Tamaherada. Remember when

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01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 5: she did that video where she was slightly unhinged in

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01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 5: it and was calling for the overthrow of the government

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Speaker 5: and said a whole bunch of stuff that was just

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Speaker 5: incredibly inflammatory. I would complain about that and see what

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Speaker 5: they do about it, see how the BSA is going

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Speaker 5: to handle that, or even if you know, more recently,

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Speaker 5: if you want to complain about the Takou the Fairest one,

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Speaker 5: if you want to, because I mean there were some

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Speaker 5: pretty racist stuff in there, you know, the one we

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Speaker 5: did the late night pop video, like you wanted to

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Speaker 5: play some Snoop Dogg in the background and lights and

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Speaker 5: bongs type thing. I would complain about that. See what

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Speaker 5: they do about that, See if they want to shut

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Speaker 5: that one down too anyway, and then just go to

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Speaker 5: help a letter find all the podcasts now. The other day,

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Speaker 5: when we were speaking of this nutty party, we were

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Speaker 5: talking about Eru KAPPAKINGI and the fact that it's alleged

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Speaker 5: that he abused a security guard at Parliament and then

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Speaker 5: he called the parliament a you know, bleep bleep, bleep,

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Speaker 5: bald head bleep and the security guards at us are

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Speaker 5: really racist, and I said, Nut's not Well, I might

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01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 5: be wrong because Ben Thomas on the Gone By Lunchtime

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Speaker 5: podcast said, this.

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Speaker 11: Bullhead is a very very loaded term. It's probably I

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01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:54,480
Speaker 11: think the highest ranking of you know, both anti white

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01:05:54,680 --> 01:06:03,600
Speaker 11: sort of terminology, but also collaterally anti baldman who knew

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Speaker 11: who knew?

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Speaker 5: And they couldn't remember where I was listening to this,

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Speaker 5: They couldn't remember where where it originated from, and of

1350
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 5: course kind listeners had already told me it was what's

1351
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 5: his face? Bob Marley. So there you go. There's not

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Speaker 5: actually another one that you could keep an eye out for.

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01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 5: If any of the podcasts said say the phrase baldhead

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Speaker 5: just complain to the BSA. See what the BSA going

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01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 5: to do about it? And speaking of which, Sean Plunkett

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01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 5: will be with us next on his fight about the BSA.

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01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 5: And we've got to talk about Matt Mowbray, you know,

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Speaker 5: and the rumors going the rounds about Matt Mowbray. Stand

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Speaker 5: by for that news.

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Speaker 32: Gently bo's up, what's down one with a major calls

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Speaker 32: and how will it affect the economy?

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Speaker 2: The big business questions on the Business Hour.

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Speaker 1: With hither duplicy Allen and Mas for insurance investments and

1364
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:01,280
Speaker 1: huiye safer, you're in good hand newstalks env.

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Speaker 5: Even in coming up in the next hour, Amazon is

1366
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:07,320
Speaker 5: expanding its ultra fast delivery of orders in the US.

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Speaker 5: Sam Dickie will run us through that. Jamie McKay is back,

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Speaker 5: He's going to be with us shortly. And Ende Brady

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Speaker 5: is out of the UK at seven past six now.

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Speaker 5: The Broadcasting Standards Authority is defending its decision to go

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Speaker 5: after online content. They've responded to a complaint which was

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Speaker 5: filed about a comment that broadcaster Sean Plunkett made on

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Speaker 5: his online only show the platform. BSA Chief executive Stacy

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Speaker 5: Wood explains the thinking.

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Speaker 25: We've said that we're going to asses online complaints on

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01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:33,439
Speaker 25: a case by case basis, and we have previously said

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01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:36,919
Speaker 25: that things like social media don't seem as clearly within

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Speaker 25: the purpose of the act. However, we acknowledge these broadcasters

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Speaker 25: that simultaneously broadcast on their own channels, terrestrial channels, their

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01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:48,520
Speaker 25: Facebook pages. So yeah, good, very good question, and we

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01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:50,240
Speaker 25: look forward to determining those complaints.

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01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 5: So the question is how do they decide what they're

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Speaker 5: going to go after.

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Speaker 25: Yeah, it's applying a pragmatic lens to it. Does it

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01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:01,120
Speaker 25: look like radio? It doesn't sound like radio.

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01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 5: Broadcaster Sean Plunket is with us on this. Hello, Sean,

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01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 5: get a eather. Nice to talk to you, lovely to

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01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:09,200
Speaker 5: chat to you. Now, did you have any indication at

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01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 5: all before this arrived that you were now under their jurisdiction.

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Speaker 21: Nope, none whatsoever. In fact, we ran promost when we

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01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 21: started pointing.

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Speaker 4: Out that we weren't.

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01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:23,800
Speaker 27: Yes, and when did you start three and a half

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01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:24,280
Speaker 27: years ago?

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01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:26,800
Speaker 5: Right, And so they had indicated that they've actually made

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01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:28,800
Speaker 5: this decision all the way back in twenty nineteen. So

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Speaker 5: it's been What that means, It's been kept a secret

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01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:32,600
Speaker 5: from all of us for about six years, isn't it.

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Speaker 27: Yes? And they've never levied me. I don't even know

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01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 27: what the broadcasting standards are. They've never sent them to many.

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Speaker 5: Do you think from that comment about if it looks

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01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:48,160
Speaker 5: like radio and sounds like radio, then it's radio, does

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01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:50,000
Speaker 5: that clarify it at all for you?

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01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:54,519
Speaker 27: No, pen I don't think it clarifies for it for

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01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:57,320
Speaker 27: anyone else either. Here that I think the problem is.

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01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 27: I think they are having a crack. I don't quite

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01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 27: know why they've messed it up so fundamentally from the

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01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:08,120
Speaker 27: get go. This complaint will never see the light of day.

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01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:11,000
Speaker 5: Are you of the view that they're going to back down?

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01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:17,600
Speaker 27: Well, I think they'll have to. They've got nowhere to

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01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:22,720
Speaker 27: go with this. They can't say that I was under

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01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:26,800
Speaker 27: their jurisdiction when I made the comments, because they've had

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01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:30,439
Speaker 27: to issue a judgment saying asserting that they are so

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01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:36,200
Speaker 27: clearly I wasn't, So the complaint falls over and they're

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01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:40,519
Speaker 27: kind of grab for jurisdiction falls over because they're acting

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01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 27: outside the law. Parliament hasn't told them they can do

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01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:47,280
Speaker 27: this in fact, it specifically said, we don't want to

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01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:51,519
Speaker 27: address this stick to elane. They're going outside their lane.

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Speaker 27: That is illegal.

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Speaker 5: Do you not see? Is there not an argument that

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Speaker 5: they can interpret their legislation as including the Internet?

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Speaker 27: Why it is not because the legislation was written in

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Speaker 27: nineteen ninety nine before the Internet.

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01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, but it took about it's about transmission being received

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01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 5: and so on like that, you know, and you can

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01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:12,559
Speaker 5: see that that could put the definition.

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Speaker 21: And it was for people who had to get broadcasting

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01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 21: licenses radio and television stations. I don't need a broadcasting

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01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:24,680
Speaker 21: license and I haven't got one, okay, And they've never

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Speaker 21: levied me to pay for them the two and a

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Speaker 21: half million dollars a year they cost.

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Speaker 5: Now, quick question is why did they do this then?

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Speaker 21: Because three of their board members were appointed by Willie

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01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:43,760
Speaker 21: Jackson and it is a back doorway to try and

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Speaker 21: mold media narratives and suppress freedom of speech in New Zealand.

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Speaker 5: But hold on the tech. They can't be that dumb,

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01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:52,680
Speaker 5: though Sean that.

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01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:56,960
Speaker 27: They thought, yes they can. Neither hither they can.

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01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:01,200
Speaker 21: The woker rati are that dumb, and they are in

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01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:05,880
Speaker 21: such cognitive dissonance now that they don't have a compliant government.

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01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 5: Stop it.

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01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:12,559
Speaker 21: I've had dozens of lawyers contact me explaining how dumb

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01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 21: they are.

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01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:14,599
Speaker 5: No, no, no, hold on a tick. Are you telling

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01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:17,479
Speaker 5: me that when they did this and they decided they

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01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:19,280
Speaker 5: were going to come after you with an interim judgment,

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01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 5: that they actually thought they'd be able to see this

1449
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:23,599
Speaker 5: through and you would actually take this and it would

1450
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:25,599
Speaker 5: be fine and they could start policing the internet.

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01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 21: Well, I do know that they told the minister what

1452
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 21: they were going to do the day before because heats up,

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01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:34,840
Speaker 21: so they knew they were probably buying a fight. I

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01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 21: think they thought I would be dreadfully scared and spend

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01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:42,280
Speaker 21: lots of money and crawl up in a ball and cry, well,

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01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:46,200
Speaker 21: I'm not going to I've just told them basically, you're not.

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01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:46,920
Speaker 27: The boss of me.

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01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:50,360
Speaker 4: And also, you know, it's funny.

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01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:53,519
Speaker 21: Stacy Wood went on with Mike this morning after It's

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01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:55,880
Speaker 21: only mew yesterday there wouldn't be any interviews and they're

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01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:58,559
Speaker 21: not making any comment. I went back to her today

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01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:00,120
Speaker 21: and I said, well, I presume you're coming on to

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01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 21: Morrik it should talk to Mike a broadcaster. No, no, no, no, no,

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01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 21: we're not going to talk to you, we're in dispute

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01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 21: with you, And I said, no, you're not. I've got

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01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:09,920
Speaker 21: nothing to.

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01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:10,320
Speaker 27: Do with you.

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01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:15,080
Speaker 5: Oh lord, Okay, now see the Lord, they really haven't

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01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:17,120
Speaker 5: thought this through because what this now brings us to

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01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:18,960
Speaker 5: if you think about this a little bit more deeply,

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Speaker 5: you start to actually, after this little stunt that they've pulled,

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01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:24,519
Speaker 5: you start to question whether they should even exist at all,

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01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:27,720
Speaker 5: giving you start to realize how little control they have

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01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:30,320
Speaker 5: over what we're consuming content wise. Have you not reached

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01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:31,000
Speaker 5: this conclusion?

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01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:31,519
Speaker 4: Oh?

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01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 21: No, absolutely, And I think they should be disbanded. And

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01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:39,880
Speaker 21: I don't think you need I don't think zed B

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01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 21: needs to have them basically, and what they are basically

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01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:50,559
Speaker 21: they use the threat of the process, the convoluted process

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01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:54,920
Speaker 21: of a BSA complaint. They use that threat to kind

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01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:59,440
Speaker 21: of create an atmosphere of fear where you're more circumspect

1483
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:03,680
Speaker 21: about exercising your freedom of speech as a broadcaster, and

1484
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:07,679
Speaker 21: your call is a more circumspect about exercising their freedom

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01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:12,520
Speaker 21: of speech because God, just the trouble and the bureaucracy

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01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:18,439
Speaker 21: of going through what they create is, you know, damages people.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a fair point, Sean. It's good to talk

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Speaker 5: to you. Thanks for coming on. Good luck with it.

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Speaker 5: Broadcaster Sean Plunket, who's with the platform thirteen past.

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Speaker 2: Six, Heather due to see Alan.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we will get to the Matt Mowbra thing and

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01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:32,599
Speaker 5: just can I just quickly update you on what's gone

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01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:35,640
Speaker 5: on with Auckland University. This is the compulsory treaty of

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01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:38,400
Speaker 5: White Tonguey course that they had. They have now done

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Speaker 5: exactly what we thought that they would do, which is

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Speaker 5: that they voted to make it optional instead of compulsory.

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Speaker 5: The council, the university's council voted yesterday afternoon. They had

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Speaker 5: seven members voting in favor of it becoming optional, two

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01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 5: wanted to keep it compulsory, and one abstained. Well, what's

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Speaker 5: interesting about this because that none of that's a surprise,

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01:13:57,320 --> 01:13:58,960
Speaker 5: like you could see this coming a mile off. But

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Speaker 5: what's interesting about about it is that the staff are

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01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:04,400
Speaker 5: deeply unhappy about this. There's a letter that's been signed

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Speaker 5: by four hundred and twenty six university staffers calling for

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01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:12,320
Speaker 5: the course to be retained for the next three years

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01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:15,960
Speaker 5: as compulsory to provide sufficient time for implementation. As in,

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01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:18,320
Speaker 5: basically people get used to it and stop complaining about

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01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:20,920
Speaker 5: it and just suck it up and gave it. Was

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Speaker 5: a five page letter as well, outlining the reasons why

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01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:27,439
Speaker 5: staff wanted the course to remain, claiming there had been

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01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:30,360
Speaker 5: a lack of transparency in the review process of the course. Well,

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Speaker 5: Boho gone, quarter past.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Dupas Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: my Heart Radio powered by newstalg ZEPPI.

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Speaker 5: Heather on the concerns about the Chinese building the ferry.

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Speaker 5: Boeing and Airbus both make military aircraft as well as civilians.

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Speaker 5: So what's the point, Well, you're missing you slightly missing

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Speaker 5: the point there. Boeing yes, does make military aircraft and

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Speaker 5: civilian aircraft. And Airbus, yes, does make military aircraft and

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Speaker 5: civilian aircraft. I'm taking you word of that. But here's

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Speaker 5: the thing. Boeing is made by the Americans in the

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Speaker 5: air Buses made by the people in Europe, so and

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Speaker 5: both of them are the people we're going to fight

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Speaker 5: on that side. We're not going to fight on the

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Speaker 5: Chinese side. So that's why it's not really a straight comparison.

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Speaker 5: Is at six eighteen.

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Speaker 2: The Rural Report on Heather do for see Allen.

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Speaker 5: Hi, host of the countries with us.

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Speaker 22: Hello Jamie, Hello Heather, I've got a bone to pick

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Speaker 22: with you. I've heard in my absence that you've been

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Speaker 22: shouting the odds about how Hamish Mackay, my namesake and

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Speaker 22: film's a lot better on the radio than me. No.

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Speaker 5: Well, i've been flirting with him, is what's happened, and

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Speaker 5: so we've decided we're going. But no, I never said

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Speaker 5: that he's better than you. And if that's what he's

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Speaker 5: told you, then we also know another thing about Hamish,

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Speaker 5: which is that he tells a porky. But no, it's

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Speaker 5: lovely to have you back, just back from holiday, go

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Speaker 5: on straight to Gisbon, have you?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 28: Yeah.

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Speaker 22: While I was in the Auckland office today I had

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Speaker 22: a brief family cuddle with yourself and cousin Barry, and

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Speaker 22: then straight onto a plane for Gisbone. We're here for

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Speaker 22: the can you believe.

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Speaker 20: This, Heather?

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Speaker 22: The one hundred and fiftieth Amp Show or Gisbone Show,

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Speaker 22: who starts tomorrow. So you've got to go back to

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Speaker 22: my mats is right eighteen seventy five and just give

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Speaker 22: a bit of a shout. And I've just checked into

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Speaker 22: the port Side Hotel which is right by the waterfront

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Speaker 22: here in Gisbon, and I must say I haven't been

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Speaker 22: in Gisbon for years. What a beautiful town it is

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Speaker 22: and the weather here today is absolutely stunning. We've been

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Speaker 22: down to the show. We've set up at the Brand site.

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Speaker 22: The Brand boys are very excited to have us there tomorrow.

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Speaker 22: I think they're more excited that the Prime Minister Christopher

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Speaker 22: Luxen's going to kick off the show from the Brant

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Speaker 22: site tomorrow, which reminded me heather of a story going

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Speaker 22: back to the two thousand and six. It might have

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Speaker 22: been the last time I was in Gisbon. I did

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Speaker 22: a drought farmer field day way up in the hills

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Speaker 22: behind Gisbane, and there was a bloke by the name

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Speaker 22: of John Key there who was the opposition leader at

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Speaker 22: the time. He went to the top of this hill

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Speaker 22: or mountain on the back of a quad four wheel

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Speaker 22: that got covered in dust, and there was a helicopter

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Speaker 22: there to take him back I think, to Napier Airport

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Speaker 22: to go back, and there was four or five hundred

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Speaker 22: farmers there for this trout event and he said to

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Speaker 22: his people, I ain't going until I've been around every

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Speaker 22: lener like big bales of hay and the farmers were

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Speaker 22: having a beer and he went round and he worked.

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Speaker 22: It wasn't a room, it was a huge open paddock

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Speaker 22: with all these farmers having a stubby over a haybal

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Speaker 22: and I thought, this guy's got it. He can really

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Speaker 22: work a room. And of course a couple of years

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Speaker 22: later he was Prime Minister. So it'll be interesting to

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Speaker 22: see if Christopher Luxen can have that effect in Gisbon tomorrow.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, she sets a work ethic, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 5: What do you make of these emissions targets read the

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Speaker 5: me thing? What do you make of this?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 22: I think it's good and sensible. It happened in my absence.

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Speaker 22: I haven't fully caught up yet, but look, I think

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Speaker 22: what is at fourteen to twenty four rather than twenty

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Speaker 22: four to forty sevens just eminently sensible ag not in

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Speaker 22: the ets. And I know that the Greenies and green

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Speaker 22: Peace all are jumping up and down about this, but

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Speaker 22: as an economy, we haven't got that much going for

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Speaker 22: at the moment, so we just can't hamstring our biggest

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Speaker 22: industry at forty seven percent as he walk at echinoa

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Speaker 22: and all that sort of nonsense.

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Speaker 4: Was proposing it.

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Speaker 22: It just sort of shut down twenty percent of out

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Speaker 22: sheet and beef farms and I think seven or eight

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Speaker 22: percent of our dairy farmers. So forget about this very

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Speaker 22: pragmatic approach from the government.

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Speaker 2: I pat him on the back.

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Speaker 22: I tipped my hat to them for that one.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, Jamie, look after yourself. It is so lovely to

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Speaker 5: have you back. I really mean that. We'll talk to

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Speaker 5: you again on Tuesday. That's Jammie McKay, host of the Country,

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Speaker 5: and he's right at Gisbon. I've stayed at the port

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Speaker 5: Side Hotel. Actually, it was a good time, and I

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Speaker 5: think it was what was I doing covering rhythm? I

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Speaker 5: was a tvnsed reporter. We all were at some stage

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Speaker 5: covering rhythm and vines and look, it was the hardest

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Speaker 5: assignment I've ever done. Not it was a great time. Heather, Lord,

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Speaker 5: here we go, Heather. It is the fifteenth of October

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Speaker 5: in America. BTE listening. Please, It's the fifteenth of October

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Speaker 5: in America, so we may have to wait until tomorrow

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Speaker 5: for the diplomat to show up here. Laura no, I yeah,

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Speaker 5: Well can you sort this out for Lynn please? Laura's

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Speaker 5: going to sort it out for you. Don't worry to

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Speaker 5: hang on.

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Speaker 8: It's going to use us sway with Netflix.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we can use our sway with Netflix. Back in

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Speaker 5: a minute and we'll answer this. No, it's not. Are

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Speaker 5: you sure, she says, it's this. Oh no, I thought

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Speaker 5: it's going past midnight and at eight o'clock our time

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Speaker 5: in now. Oh, okay, okay, okay, we've got the answer.

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Speaker 5: I've got the answer. Hold on, Lynn, I'll come back

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Speaker 5: to you six twenty two, croaching the.

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Speaker 2: Numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 1: It's hither due for Celan with the business hour and

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Speaker 1: mass for insurance.

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Speaker 2: Investments and Kiwi Safer. You're in good hands. News Talk said,

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Speaker 2: be all right, Lynn, here's what it is.

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Speaker 5: Okay, So right now, what you need to know is

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Speaker 5: what the time is in LA. It's released the show's

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Speaker 5: land at midnight in LA. It is one and a

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Speaker 5: half hours right now away from midnight in LA. So

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Speaker 5: it's like halp past ten on the fifteenth in LA,

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Speaker 5: and in one and a half hours it's going to

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Speaker 5: become midnight on the sixteenth. That's when diplomat drops for you,

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Speaker 5: which is eight o'clock our time. You're welcome now, I

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Speaker 5: said we're going to talk about Matt Mowbray. So he

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Speaker 5: has had to come out. He's of the Mobray family. Obviously,

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Speaker 5: he's had to come out and publicly deny that he

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Speaker 5: is the member of the wealthy key Wee family that's

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Speaker 5: convicted of having extreme child abuse material. Apparently, rumors have

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Speaker 5: been circulating on TikTok and various social media outlets claiming

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Speaker 5: it's him. I have actually been told this too. It

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Speaker 5: is not him. It is not Matt Mowbray. He's even

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Speaker 5: had to provide to the Herald of Ministry of Justice

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Speaker 5: document to confirm he's got no convictions on his record.

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Speaker 5: I don't know why I had to do that, because

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Speaker 5: the Herald knows it's not him, because they know who

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Speaker 5: it is because they've been covering the case. I know

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Speaker 5: who it is. It's not Matt Mowbray. And now if

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Speaker 5: you've been following this, you know that he is the

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Speaker 5: second rich lister who's had to do this, because the

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Speaker 5: other one was Wayne Wright, who had to do it

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Speaker 5: all the way back in August and come out and

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Speaker 5: say because remember Grok Twitter's AI was like the creep

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Speaker 5: is Wayne right? Well know the creep is also not

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Speaker 5: Wayne right or Matt Mowbray is somebody else entirely. Now,

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Speaker 5: this is the problem with suppressions because the suppressions like

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Speaker 5: this cause because there aren't that many rich lists of

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Speaker 5: family families in this country, right, So if you suppress

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Speaker 5: who it actually is for very spurious reasons, by the way,

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Speaker 5: in the age of social media, people are just gonna

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Speaker 5: make it up and start naming people who it is

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Speaker 5: clearly not so. I don't know, Judge, just might need

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Speaker 5: to start thinking about this when they do the suppression.

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Speaker 5: Suppression for good reason, fine, suppression for no good reason

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Speaker 5: like this not so fine. Six twenty six.

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Speaker 2: There's no business like show business.

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Speaker 11: True.

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Speaker 5: Whenneth Paltrow has revealed she wants to write a book,

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Speaker 5: it's not a book about weird lifestyle things like vagina

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Speaker 5: candles or goop things. This would be a book about

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Speaker 5: conscious uncoupling, because she and Chris Martin famously consciously uncoupled

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Speaker 5: a decade ago, and she told British Vogue she's so

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Speaker 5: proud that she did that and that she lives it,

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Speaker 5: and so many people have come up to her and

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Speaker 5: thanked her for that and for helping to create that template,

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Speaker 5: and this is what she said about love.

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Speaker 19: I think when I was thirty, I still was very

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Speaker 19: caught up in this idea that I had to earn love,

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Speaker 19: that I wasn't just inherently lovable. I think that's something

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Speaker 19: that I've been able to really work through, and now

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Speaker 19: I feel that love is something that we just all deserve.

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Speaker 19: We don't need to earn it. There doesn't have to

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Speaker 19: be a carrot that we're dangling, you know, dangling in

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Speaker 19: front of us, like we just each of us are

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Speaker 19: just completely lovable.

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Speaker 5: That's actually true. But interesting timing because the unofficial Gwyneth

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Speaker 5: Big biography has just been published, written by a journalist

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Speaker 5: called Amy Odell, and Gwyneth has nothing nice to say

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Speaker 5: about the book. She says it was all rubbish. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: so that's the update on Gwyneth. Now you know why

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Speaker 5: she's writing a book anyway. Let's take the news. Sam

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Speaker 5: Dickie with us on Amazon just a minute.

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Speaker 2: Whether it's a micro microth or just plain economics.

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Speaker 1: It's all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplic, Ellen

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Speaker 1: can to Mes for insurance investments and Hueye Safer.

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Speaker 2: You're in good hands. Use talk spy. Where it got

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Speaker 2: US ever.

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Speaker 5: Integrated with US out of the UK ten minutes time.

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Speaker 5: ASP has put out a note on what it is

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Speaker 5: picking for CPI for Q three, so it says Q

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Speaker 5: three CPI is going to come in at one percent.

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Speaker 5: That'll take the annual inflation rate to three point one percent.

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Speaker 5: Three point one of course outside the target ban of

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Speaker 5: one to three. Our CPI is out on Monday, so

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Speaker 5: we'll keep an eye on that. Twenty four away from seven,

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Speaker 5: Amazon has been massively scale scaling up its same day

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Speaker 5: grocery delivery over the last few months, looking to be

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Speaker 5: in about two and a half thousand US cities by

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Speaker 5: year end. It's a strategic assault on our grocery market

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Speaker 5: worth nine hundred billion dollars. Sam Dickey from Fisher Funds

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Speaker 5: is with us to talk us through this. Hasam good

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Speaker 5: eating he Sam. How does Amazon's move change the competitive landscape?

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Speaker 5: Do you think.

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Speaker 4: It is?

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Speaker 33: Well, it's nailed everything else, hasn't It nailed the same

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Speaker 33: day delivery of books in CDs, through iPhones and everything

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Speaker 33: in between, and grocery is the holy partly because of

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Speaker 33: the size of the market, like you said, nine hundred billion,

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Speaker 33: but partly because it's the ultimate repeat purchase, we've all

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01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:08,840
Speaker 33: got to eat and it's.

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Speaker 2: Been really hard.

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01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:12,800
Speaker 33: So delivering fresh groceries on the same day requires a

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01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:17,360
Speaker 33: really expensive, dense network of specialized refrigerated facilities, and this

1729
01:24:17,439 --> 01:24:19,680
Speaker 33: stuff perishes, so it has to be perfect. And we

1730
01:24:20,240 --> 01:24:24,000
Speaker 33: you and I have ultra low tolerance for soggy tomatoes,

1731
01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:26,000
Speaker 33: so we'd rather just go to the grocery store if it's.

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01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:26,360
Speaker 2: Not good enough.

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01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:29,920
Speaker 33: And the other thing is picking and packing. The groceries

1734
01:24:30,120 --> 01:24:32,600
Speaker 33: can cost a gross of nine bucks, So if you

1735
01:24:32,640 --> 01:24:35,000
Speaker 33: think about it on one hundred dollars average basket size

1736
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:36,799
Speaker 33: in the US, that leaves no profit margin.

1737
01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:39,559
Speaker 2: So same day delivery as a game changer.

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01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:43,400
Speaker 33: It more or less replicates that instant gratification that you

1739
01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:45,120
Speaker 33: and I get when we go to the supermarket.

1740
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Speaker 5: Now, what do you think this is going to mean

1741
01:24:47,400 --> 01:24:50,160
Speaker 5: for the traditional supermarket chains and the smaller regional players

1742
01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:51,840
Speaker 5: and everybody who's already doing this stuff.

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01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:56,919
Speaker 33: Well, Wall Street is describing the situation as guerrilla warfare,

1744
01:24:57,680 --> 01:25:00,800
Speaker 33: and so Amazon is leveraging it's sort of massive one

1745
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:05,599
Speaker 33: kart advantage over these other guys, So the consumers can

1746
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:10,360
Speaker 33: buy three hundred and fifty million other Amazon products and

1747
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:13,200
Speaker 33: their groceriy. So this has kind of devastating to companies

1748
01:25:13,240 --> 01:25:17,800
Speaker 33: like Instacart, who just deliver groceries, or supermarket Kroger, who

1749
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:20,519
Speaker 33: just sells groceries. They can't leverage that other scale of

1750
01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:24,519
Speaker 33: buying all the other electronics alongside it, so they what

1751
01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:26,840
Speaker 33: does that mean? It means they can't match Amazon on price,

1752
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:29,000
Speaker 33: and already, since this happened a couple of months ago,

1753
01:25:29,200 --> 01:25:34,400
Speaker 33: Amazon's prices are seven percent below Walmart, sixteen percent below Kroger,

1754
01:25:34,600 --> 01:25:38,400
Speaker 33: and seventeen percent cheaper than Albertson's, which is another supermarket

1755
01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:41,680
Speaker 33: chain and so far so good too. So they're these

1756
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:45,160
Speaker 33: low prices are meaning they're taking volume market share. So

1757
01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:48,559
Speaker 33: early pilots show that seventy five percent of users were

1758
01:25:48,640 --> 01:25:51,599
Speaker 33: first time Amazon grocery buyers, so they've been buying from

1759
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:54,639
Speaker 33: someone else before and they will return twice as often,

1760
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:57,400
Speaker 33: So they're using that massive scale to take market share

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01:25:57,400 --> 01:25:57,720
Speaker 33: as well.

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Speaker 5: Now you've already got players doing grocery delivers as well,

1763
01:26:01,400 --> 01:26:03,759
Speaker 5: or food deliveries, You've got Uber Eats, you got Instacart,

1764
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:04,560
Speaker 5: door Dash and so on.

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01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:07,760
Speaker 33: So what about then, Yeah, well Instacart sort of fell

1766
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:09,479
Speaker 33: out of bed on the day this was announced and

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01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:13,360
Speaker 33: hasn't recovered since because they're doing nothing but just delivering

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01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:16,719
Speaker 33: groceries and that that is a tough, low margin business,

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01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:19,000
Speaker 33: particularly when you can't leverage all those other products across

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01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:23,280
Speaker 33: it as well, like amazonas now Instacart and sorry, door

1771
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:26,160
Speaker 33: Dash and uber eats. They obviously dominated the delivery of

1772
01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:28,479
Speaker 33: takeaways as being no issue there, but they had both

1773
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:32,559
Speaker 33: expanded into into grocery delivery to sort of further bols

1774
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Speaker 33: to their revenues.

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01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:34,479
Speaker 2: But here's the rub that they're just.

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01:26:34,600 --> 01:26:38,920
Speaker 33: Intermediaries charging grocers sort of fifteen to twenty five percent commissions,

1777
01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:43,559
Speaker 33: while Amazon is the platform, the logistics network, and often

1778
01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:46,920
Speaker 33: the grocery the product grocery supplier as well. So door

1779
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:49,080
Speaker 33: Dash and uber eats can't compete with that scale and

1780
01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:50,680
Speaker 33: full integration of Amazon.

1781
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Speaker 5: Right, So what do you reckon this means for investors? Sam?

1782
01:26:54,120 --> 01:26:57,200
Speaker 33: I think it competitors without that scale, and it seems

1783
01:26:57,240 --> 01:26:59,839
Speaker 33: like the holy grail is finally being found or cracked.

1784
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:04,640
Speaker 33: Competitors without that scale, soo Instacart regional grocers that they

1785
01:27:04,680 --> 01:27:08,120
Speaker 33: will bleed and it's good for consumers of course. Over there,

1786
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:10,600
Speaker 33: I mean groceries are just going to get cheaper and

1787
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:13,599
Speaker 33: the other thing is you should look for, and we've

1788
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:17,599
Speaker 33: seen this in Europe, is these smaller grocers and regional grocers,

1789
01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:21,639
Speaker 33: even national grosers. As they face margin pressure, you'll see

1790
01:27:21,720 --> 01:27:24,120
Speaker 33: more sort of companies taking over other companies. And we

1791
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:28,200
Speaker 33: saw that in Europe when that sort of grocery delivery

1792
01:27:28,240 --> 01:27:30,920
Speaker 33: market took off. Grocery m and A or mergers and

1793
01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:34,320
Speaker 33: acquisitions are up thirty one percent since then. And as always,

1794
01:27:34,360 --> 01:27:36,720
Speaker 33: the other thing is Amazon's actually playing a different game.

1795
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:39,719
Speaker 33: It's not really that interested in the grocery margin itself.

1796
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:44,599
Speaker 33: The kicker here is that Prime members, of which there's

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01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:46,680
Speaker 33: sort of two hundred million households in the US who

1798
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:48,720
Speaker 33: are Prime members who pay one hundred and thirty nine

1799
01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:52,519
Speaker 33: bucks a year for all the Prime benefits, so the video,

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01:27:52,760 --> 01:27:56,040
Speaker 33: but also free delivery, et cetera. They get free same

1801
01:27:56,120 --> 01:27:58,600
Speaker 33: day grocery delivery. So this is really the game for

1802
01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:01,920
Speaker 33: Amazon here is about locking those really valuable members in

1803
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:04,519
Speaker 33: and making them stickier, and in the process they're going

1804
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:07,200
Speaker 33: to sort of destroy a few grosses along the way.

1805
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:09,599
Speaker 5: Interesting stuff. Hey, thank you very much. Sam, We'll talk

1806
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:11,040
Speaker 5: to you in a week's time. Sam Dickey, a Fisher

1807
01:28:11,080 --> 01:28:12,360
Speaker 5: Funds nineteen away from seven.

1808
01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:15,559
Speaker 2: Heather Duplessy Allen Heather, I've been watching the news.

1809
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:17,800
Speaker 5: I see Jenny Shipley goes to the same optometrist as

1810
01:28:17,880 --> 01:28:20,400
Speaker 5: John Kerwin and Auckland. Is this in Auckland? Look yes?

1811
01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:23,000
Speaker 5: In short, there's no way to say this other than yes,

1812
01:28:23,479 --> 01:28:27,600
Speaker 5: you should see Barry Soaper's new glasses. So we in

1813
01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:30,760
Speaker 5: fact today Jamie McKay, because of course you know, Jamie

1814
01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:33,240
Speaker 5: McKay doesn't go in for this Auckland look nonsense. He's

1815
01:28:33,240 --> 01:28:36,080
Speaker 5: a man of the farm from Southland. He turned up

1816
01:28:36,120 --> 01:28:38,760
Speaker 5: and he was like, ah, yes, yes. We had a

1817
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:40,800
Speaker 5: discussion that I cannot repeat on air for fear of

1818
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:46,559
Speaker 5: the BSA commenting on the glasses and Jamie's observation was well,

1819
01:28:46,640 --> 01:28:49,200
Speaker 5: at least they're not as bad as Jakay's as in

1820
01:28:49,280 --> 01:28:51,960
Speaker 5: John Kerwin, so it's all of the same. Vein Now

1821
01:28:52,640 --> 01:28:55,240
Speaker 5: Trade Me founder Sam Morgan has given a speech to

1822
01:28:55,479 --> 01:28:57,800
Speaker 5: a philanthropic event here in Auckland where it was just

1823
01:28:57,920 --> 01:29:01,160
Speaker 5: full of glasses like that made some really interesting observations

1824
01:29:01,240 --> 01:29:04,360
Speaker 5: about having a lot of money. He reckons like he's

1825
01:29:04,360 --> 01:29:07,040
Speaker 5: spending his money on philanthropy largely. He reckons there's no

1826
01:29:07,240 --> 01:29:10,880
Speaker 5: logical alternative to doing that. If you're uber wealthy, he says,

1827
01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:12,920
Speaker 5: you've only got two other choices. It's like you've got

1828
01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:16,000
Speaker 5: three choices available to you, philanthropy, or you're buried with

1829
01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:18,000
Speaker 5: your money, or you give your kids to your money.

1830
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:19,240
Speaker 5: You give your money to your kids and then you

1831
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:21,320
Speaker 5: mess them up, which is kind of when you think

1832
01:29:21,320 --> 01:29:24,000
Speaker 5: about it, actually quite true. Anyway, he reckons, you may

1833
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:26,040
Speaker 5: as well give it away because you're gonna lose it anyway,

1834
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:30,639
Speaker 5: Because he reckons, data shows that after three generations, ninety

1835
01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:33,960
Speaker 5: five percent of wealthy families are no longer wealthy families,

1836
01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:38,400
Speaker 5: mainly because of things like multiple divorces, of trust fund babies,

1837
01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:42,519
Speaker 5: and incompetent investing as well. So if the money is

1838
01:29:42,560 --> 01:29:44,280
Speaker 5: going to go anyway, why don't you just do something

1839
01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:46,360
Speaker 5: worthwhile with it? So he reckons, the wealthy should be

1840
01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:48,840
Speaker 5: giving you away two, three, four five percent of their

1841
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:51,800
Speaker 5: net worth every single year. He uses it to save

1842
01:29:51,840 --> 01:29:55,160
Speaker 5: and improve lives in India and Africa. He also says,

1843
01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:57,680
Speaker 5: because once you uber wealthy, you get letters of the

1844
01:29:57,760 --> 01:30:00,960
Speaker 5: uber wealthy club, and he reckons that he now that

1845
01:30:01,040 --> 01:30:03,760
Speaker 5: he's spoken to a lot of other uberwealthy people He's

1846
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:07,040
Speaker 5: reached a conclusion, which is that many rich people seem

1847
01:30:07,080 --> 01:30:09,120
Speaker 5: to think that they are immortal and they are holding

1848
01:30:09,160 --> 01:30:12,280
Speaker 5: wealth as if they are going to live forever. I thought, hmm,

1849
01:30:13,680 --> 01:30:15,280
Speaker 5: but that's what it looked like from the outside. But

1850
01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:16,920
Speaker 5: I'm glad it looks like that from the inside too.

1851
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:18,400
Speaker 5: Seventeen away from seven.

1852
01:30:18,479 --> 01:30:21,240
Speaker 2: Everything from SMEs to the big corporates.

1853
01:30:21,479 --> 01:30:25,479
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather Duplic Ellen and Mas for

1854
01:30:25,640 --> 01:30:29,879
Speaker 1: Insurance Investments and Kuey Saber you're in good hands news.

1855
01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:30,920
Speaker 2: Talk, sa'd be hither.

1856
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:33,639
Speaker 5: I'm happy Toss be messed up. Please send Sam Morgan

1857
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:35,880
Speaker 5: my bank account, lord, while if I'm sending examine in

1858
01:30:35,920 --> 01:30:37,719
Speaker 5: your bank account, I'm sending it at my bank account.

1859
01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:41,080
Speaker 5: Two fourteen away from seven into Brady UK Correspondents with

1860
01:30:41,200 --> 01:30:41,840
Speaker 5: us Evening Ender.

1861
01:30:42,840 --> 01:30:43,840
Speaker 9: Hey, how are you good?

1862
01:30:44,200 --> 01:30:47,240
Speaker 5: Good now? Loving the fact that everyone's calling for Andrew

1863
01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:48,920
Speaker 5: to be stripped of as dukedom. But it's not going

1864
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:49,479
Speaker 5: to happen, is it.

1865
01:30:50,840 --> 01:30:53,120
Speaker 9: Well, there is a mechanism, and apparently it was done

1866
01:30:53,160 --> 01:30:56,400
Speaker 9: in World War One when some dukes decided that they

1867
01:30:56,439 --> 01:30:59,639
Speaker 9: would fight for Germany rather than fight for the United Kingdom,

1868
01:30:59,720 --> 01:31:03,560
Speaker 9: so they managed to take away duke titles or dukedoms

1869
01:31:04,479 --> 01:31:07,600
Speaker 9: over a century ago when the Germans were involved, and

1870
01:31:07,720 --> 01:31:10,439
Speaker 9: you wonder who's the bigger threat nowadays? You know, Andrew

1871
01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:13,960
Speaker 9: has destroyed his own reputation, and I think Charles and

1872
01:31:14,040 --> 01:31:17,439
Speaker 9: his advisors are very very much aware that this man

1873
01:31:17,800 --> 01:31:20,880
Speaker 9: is bad news, and they've known for a long time now.

1874
01:31:21,240 --> 01:31:23,160
Speaker 9: The reason he's back in the front page is today

1875
01:31:23,240 --> 01:31:25,559
Speaker 9: there are calls for the title to be taken away,

1876
01:31:25,640 --> 01:31:28,160
Speaker 9: the dukedom. He's also a member of the Knights Garter.

1877
01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:30,120
Speaker 9: So if you know it's the email he sent to

1878
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:33,160
Speaker 9: Epstein in twenty eleven saying we'll play again some more

1879
01:31:33,240 --> 01:31:36,400
Speaker 9: soon with four exclamation marks. What does that mean? You know,

1880
01:31:36,640 --> 01:31:40,240
Speaker 9: poor Virginia Giuffrey, her family, everything she has been through.

1881
01:31:40,680 --> 01:31:42,920
Speaker 9: There is a mechanism available. I think the only thing

1882
01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:46,439
Speaker 9: they can't take away is the word prince because he

1883
01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:50,040
Speaker 9: is the King's brother. But I think Andrew ultimately is

1884
01:31:50,120 --> 01:31:51,960
Speaker 9: going to be stripped of absolutely everything.

1885
01:31:52,160 --> 01:31:54,920
Speaker 5: Do you think so? Because the argument is, inda this

1886
01:31:55,080 --> 01:31:56,760
Speaker 5: is the German and I've spent a lot of time

1887
01:31:56,800 --> 01:31:59,760
Speaker 5: talking about this. The argument is you can strip him right,

1888
01:32:00,040 --> 01:32:02,080
Speaker 5: it gets rid of that problem. But then what you

1889
01:32:02,200 --> 01:32:04,639
Speaker 5: have is a guy who hasn't He doesn't have any

1890
01:32:04,840 --> 01:32:08,280
Speaker 5: support networks anymore, so he goes rogue like Harry. So actually,

1891
01:32:08,720 --> 01:32:11,000
Speaker 5: for Charles, like there is a point at which Charles

1892
01:32:11,080 --> 01:32:12,680
Speaker 5: needs to give him just enough to kind of keep

1893
01:32:12,760 --> 01:32:15,680
Speaker 5: him keeping him, to keep him behaving properly, don't you

1894
01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:17,080
Speaker 5: think no?

1895
01:32:17,320 --> 01:32:20,080
Speaker 9: Because the problem with that argument is Harry has half

1896
01:32:20,120 --> 01:32:24,320
Speaker 9: a brain. Andrew has none. Okay, Andrew has no brain whatsoever.

1897
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:27,840
Speaker 9: He is just he reeks of entitlement. I've actually had

1898
01:32:27,880 --> 01:32:30,720
Speaker 9: dinner with the guy. He's one of the dullest men

1899
01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:34,800
Speaker 9: you could be anywhere near. And I think my suspicion

1900
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:38,320
Speaker 9: is the royal family at the highest level and the

1901
01:32:38,479 --> 01:32:42,840
Speaker 9: UK establishment know there are even more dangerous emails out there.

1902
01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:44,720
Speaker 9: I think what we're seeing is just the tip of

1903
01:32:44,760 --> 01:32:45,240
Speaker 9: the surface.

1904
01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:47,240
Speaker 5: Well, how does he make his money if they strip him?

1905
01:32:49,160 --> 01:32:51,000
Speaker 9: Well, he managed to find an awful lot of money

1906
01:32:51,040 --> 01:32:55,080
Speaker 9: to pay off Virginia Dufrey twelve million pounds starting twenty

1907
01:32:55,120 --> 01:32:57,360
Speaker 9: four million dollars then, z I mean, you know there

1908
01:32:57,479 --> 01:33:00,920
Speaker 9: was talk of money coming from China. Everything he has

1909
01:33:01,000 --> 01:33:03,759
Speaker 9: done there with the pitch at the Palace event, clearly

1910
01:33:04,160 --> 01:33:07,160
Speaker 9: there are revenue streams. He's not on his Uppers, But

1911
01:33:07,200 --> 01:33:09,080
Speaker 9: I think Charles wants him out of that big house.

1912
01:33:09,400 --> 01:33:11,439
Speaker 9: He ain't going to be invited for Christmas ever. Again,

1913
01:33:11,479 --> 01:33:13,120
Speaker 9: you're not going to see him on the balcony, and

1914
01:33:13,240 --> 01:33:14,960
Speaker 9: I think they're hurting him where it hurts the most,

1915
01:33:15,040 --> 01:33:19,000
Speaker 9: the whole kind of reputation. He thrives on this pomp

1916
01:33:19,120 --> 01:33:22,080
Speaker 9: and ceremony and that ain't ever happening again.

1917
01:33:22,200 --> 01:33:25,120
Speaker 5: Wow, okay, right, interesting to see how that plays out.

1918
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Speaker 22: Then.

1919
01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:27,519
Speaker 5: Now, now what happened to Higgsith's playing? Do we know

1920
01:33:27,600 --> 01:33:28,400
Speaker 5: how it got the crack?

1921
01:33:29,800 --> 01:33:31,160
Speaker 9: We don't know how it got the crack, but it

1922
01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:34,400
Speaker 9: led to depressurization in the cabin very very quickly. So

1923
01:33:34,479 --> 01:33:36,679
Speaker 9: it was a military version of the Boeing seven five

1924
01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:40,000
Speaker 9: seven on his way back from a NATO meeting in Belgium,

1925
01:33:40,080 --> 01:33:42,080
Speaker 9: and we're now learning that he had to land very

1926
01:33:42,240 --> 01:33:45,920
Speaker 9: very quickly in England at an RAF base, RAF Mildenhall.

1927
01:33:46,280 --> 01:33:49,240
Speaker 9: Now I've been there. It's pretty much an American air base.

1928
01:33:49,280 --> 01:33:52,200
Speaker 9: We've filmed in there before, so in name only is

1929
01:33:52,240 --> 01:33:55,320
Speaker 9: it really ORAF. It's mostly American air personnel. So he's

1930
01:33:55,360 --> 01:33:58,280
Speaker 9: with his own people, treated very very well. And then

1931
01:33:58,320 --> 01:34:01,320
Speaker 9: he took the social media very quickly to say journey

1932
01:34:01,360 --> 01:34:01,960
Speaker 9: back underway.

1933
01:34:02,040 --> 01:34:02,479
Speaker 4: Thank god.

1934
01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:06,040
Speaker 9: So no damage done and his own people patched up.

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Speaker 9: He's playing very very quickly.

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Speaker 5: Oh that's very good news. And what's going over the

1937
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Speaker 5: RSH presidential election?

1938
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Speaker 9: Yes, so I'm in Ireland at the moment, I mean Cork.

1939
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Speaker 9: We're filming my TV show Roundtable using the presidential election

1940
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Speaker 9: as a peg to look at lots of different aspects

1941
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Speaker 9: of Irish life at the moment and how people are feeling.

1942
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Speaker 9: So next Friday there will be a presidential election. Michael

1943
01:34:26,280 --> 01:34:30,400
Speaker 9: D Higgins is stepping aside after fourteen years, very popular,

1944
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Speaker 9: charismatic and respected man. However, the candidates to replace him,

1945
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Speaker 9: there are two left in the race still, Catherine Connolly

1946
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Speaker 9: who's a very left wing independent lady Heather Humphreys, who're

1947
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Speaker 9: more of a conservative really from one of the main

1948
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Speaker 9: establishment parties.

1949
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Speaker 2: They're on the ballot.

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Speaker 9: They're the only two candidates still in the race. The

1951
01:34:49,800 --> 01:34:53,479
Speaker 9: problem is the ballot paper was printed weeks ago and

1952
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Speaker 9: a Gaelic football manager from Dublin called Jim Gavin, who

1953
01:34:57,080 --> 01:35:00,320
Speaker 9: was in the race has pulled out over a pretty

1954
01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:04,200
Speaker 9: landlord tenant scandal from twenty years ago. His name is

1955
01:35:04,320 --> 01:35:06,800
Speaker 9: still on the ballot paper, and a lot of people

1956
01:35:06,840 --> 01:35:10,759
Speaker 9: are so disillusioned with politics, pollutions and life in general

1957
01:35:10,840 --> 01:35:13,479
Speaker 9: and cost of living. The whisper is an awful lood

1958
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Speaker 9: of Irish people are going to spoil their ballot and

1959
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Speaker 9: vote for Jim Gavin. So we have a situation where

1960
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Speaker 9: a guy who's not actually running for president anymore by

1961
01:35:21,680 --> 01:35:25,479
Speaker 9: next Friday night could be president. A constitutional crisis.

1962
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Speaker 2: What did they do then, Yeah, well let's find out.

1963
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Speaker 5: I suppose it's the thought there. Inda, Thanks very much,

1964
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Speaker 5: look after yourself, mate, that's into Brady UK corresponded. By

1965
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:36,360
Speaker 5: the way, if you're going to watch the netball, look

1966
01:35:36,479 --> 01:35:41,240
Speaker 5: at Grace Wick's wrist. I didn't realize this, but it

1967
01:35:41,400 --> 01:35:44,439
Speaker 5: sounds like she's been wearing a band that has the

1968
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Speaker 5: initials in tea on it and she will be wearing

1969
01:35:47,240 --> 01:35:49,680
Speaker 5: that that respend with the initials in tea on it

1970
01:35:49,760 --> 01:35:53,240
Speaker 5: for the games. And what does that stand for? Noline toto,

1971
01:35:53,640 --> 01:35:56,679
Speaker 5: good honor. I'm liking Grace even more than I already

1972
01:35:56,840 --> 01:35:58,439
Speaker 5: liked Grace. Nine away from seven.

1973
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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Tipsy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

1974
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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio powered by Newstalk zeb Heather It.

1975
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Speaker 5: Seems Mayor Craig Jepson is doing a Donald Trump and

1976
01:36:09,880 --> 01:36:13,120
Speaker 5: can't except he's lost by three votes. That's from being well,

1977
01:36:13,280 --> 01:36:15,040
Speaker 5: you know what, I don't actually know what this is about,

1978
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:18,760
Speaker 5: but maybe maybe Ben's right, maybe that's what it's about.

1979
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Speaker 5: If you haven't caught up on this, there was supposed

1980
01:36:20,920 --> 01:36:23,479
Speaker 5: to be a meeting there was going to be held.

1981
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Speaker 5: This is up North kui Kipeer District. They had the

1982
01:36:27,680 --> 01:36:30,160
Speaker 5: local elections at the weekend. Obviously the council elections around

1983
01:36:30,160 --> 01:36:32,639
Speaker 5: the country is so the outgoing Mayor Craig Gipson called

1984
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Speaker 5: a meeting for five point thirty this evening and it's

1985
01:36:35,800 --> 01:36:39,519
Speaker 5: an emergency meeting. Emergency meeting unprecedented by the council, but

1986
01:36:39,560 --> 01:36:41,280
Speaker 5: the Chief Executive gave it the old go ahead and

1987
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Speaker 5: so they were going.

1988
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Speaker 4: To do it.

1989
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Speaker 5: And no one knows exactly what it's about, but the

1990
01:36:44,600 --> 01:36:47,880
Speaker 5: suggestion is that he was going to suggest that the

1991
01:36:47,960 --> 01:36:52,920
Speaker 5: local election had been rigged. He said. The emergency meeting

1992
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Speaker 5: seeks approval for a formal complaint into the conduct of

1993
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Speaker 5: the twenty twenty five Kipera District Council local government election

1994
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Speaker 5: and the twenty twenty five Northland regional Council marta constituency referendum,

1995
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Speaker 5: and he was going to ask the Department of Internal

1996
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Speaker 5: Affairs to investigate anyway. So I was waiting for the

1997
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Speaker 5: outcome of this thing. But then it turns out heard

1998
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Speaker 5: in the six thirty bulletin they adjourned it and I

1999
01:37:13,439 --> 01:37:15,800
Speaker 5: was a member of the public, Adam. But I don't

2000
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Speaker 5: know if you've noticed this, but up there there's a

2001
01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:19,960
Speaker 5: lot of them. There's a lot of shouting and quite

2002
01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:22,519
Speaker 5: wild behavior that happens to this council and the public

2003
01:37:22,560 --> 01:37:26,679
Speaker 5: gets involved. It's quite it's democracy is alive there anyway.

2004
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Speaker 5: So they're having the meeting at nine tomorrow, so we're

2005
01:37:29,120 --> 01:37:31,000
Speaker 5: gonna have to wait until nine tomorrow to find out

2006
01:37:31,040 --> 01:37:33,000
Speaker 5: what's up. But you can't just point out to you, Jesu,

2007
01:37:33,040 --> 01:37:36,240
Speaker 5: it's only been five days since the local council election.

2008
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Speaker 5: Has already had one guy down south pulling out. Now

2009
01:37:38,600 --> 01:37:41,040
Speaker 5: this happening up north, so it's all a bit it's

2010
01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:41,519
Speaker 5: all a bit.

2011
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Speaker 31: Wild and a bad reputation by Joan Jett and the

2012
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Speaker 31: Black Arts to play us out tonight because they will

2013
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Speaker 31: be coming to New Zealand. Iggy Pop, Jon JiTT and

2014
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Speaker 31: the Black Hearts, the Hoodoo Gurus and local guys The

2015
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Speaker 31: Canary Boys Z will be the lineup of the twenty

2016
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Speaker 31: twenty six Greenstone Summer Concert Tour. So there's going to

2017
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Speaker 31: be three shows top or Amphitheater on the twenty fourth

2018
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Speaker 31: of January. I will say again, that's an amazing venue

2019
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Speaker 31: if you can get to that one Sheriff Block Venue

2020
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Speaker 31: and Feats Younger on the twenty sixth, and one of

2021
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Speaker 31: the three parks out there we're in you're on the

2022
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Speaker 31: thirty first.

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Speaker 15: They're probably great too. I've just never been to either

2024
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Speaker 15: of them. That's what you got.

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Speaker 5: Did you know ants that Yoda was supposed to be blue?

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Speaker 15: There you go. Can you imagine a blue Yoda?

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Speaker 8: I actually kind of can.

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Speaker 15: I don't think it mattered that much.

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Speaker 31: You wouldn't change it now, But like, yeah, I think

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Speaker 31: Yoda's what color now, he's like a sort of pale green.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So in various.

2033
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Speaker 5: Depictions, because there's archival stuff that's come out, in various depictions,

2034
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Speaker 5: he's either pale skinned or pink or blue. But the blue,

2035
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Speaker 5: like there were books, there were graphic novels that were

2036
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Speaker 5: published even two months after the film was released, and

2037
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Speaker 5: he was still blue, suggesting that they switched it from

2038
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Speaker 5: blue to green for the film at the very last minute.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, you can read those graphic novels today.

2040
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Speaker 31: They've been reprinted a lot, and there are lots of

2041
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Speaker 31: very very funny things like daath Vader's arm is a

2042
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Speaker 31: weird color as well, and you've got.

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Speaker 15: A human Jabba the Hut in it, and stuff like. Yeah,

2044
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Speaker 15: George Lucas just kind of made it up as he went.

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Speaker 18: I think.

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Speaker 5: Now, look it's iconic. Thank you for that answer. Okay,

2047
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Speaker 5: here you go. Enjoy it. What's it? Junjet?

2048
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Speaker 4: Is it?

2049
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Speaker 5: Enjoy your jun Jet? See tomorrow?

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Speaker 4: So what.

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Speaker 2: Everywhere?

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Speaker 19: Wow?

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Speaker 2: Repetation the Low Generation.

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