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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks that'd be Doogle.

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Speaker 2: Sutherland joins us now and our well Being segment. Good morning, Google.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Francesca.

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Speaker 4: How are you.

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Speaker 2: I'm really really good. Thank you. You've got an interesting

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Speaker 2: topic for us today, because I think we've all heard

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Speaker 2: over the years about the benefits of different types of noises.

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Speaker 2: I think you've definitely heard if you've had a baby

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Speaker 2: at some point in the last twenty years, you would

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Speaker 2: have heard about that sort of white noise that might

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Speaker 2: help your baby get to sleep in things. I had

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Speaker 2: no idea though, Google, we'd move. We now have green noise,

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Speaker 2: brown noise, pink noise, white noise. It's it's it's growing.

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Speaker 2: I was thinking about noises.

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Speaker 3: That's a complete rainbow of noise, really, isn't that that?

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Speaker 3: Every time you kind of look at it, there seems

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Speaker 3: to be more and more. So we've got agen say,

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Speaker 3: we've got white noise, which is and I'm not a

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Speaker 3: technical expert in noise to be to be perfectly frank,

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Speaker 3: so I'm kind of going I think I understand what

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Speaker 3: that means. You understand it when you hear it. White

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Speaker 3: noise is essentially random all the frequencies we can hear.

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Speaker 3: And then there's green noise, which is I equate it

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Speaker 3: to a bit like hearing you know, brooks burbling and

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Speaker 3: rivers gushing and the rain sound of rain on the roof,

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Speaker 3: that type of thing. And we've got brown noise, brown

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Speaker 3: noises low frequency sound, so sort of I guess that

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Speaker 3: sort of booming, kind of deeper sound. And then we've

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Speaker 3: got pink noise, and pink noises kind of like white

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Speaker 3: noise apart from the top. The sharp frequencies have been

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Speaker 3: kind of tuned down so they're a little bit less intense.

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Speaker 3: And there's all this research about, oh, is this good

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Speaker 3: for us our brains or is this not good for

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Speaker 3: our brains? As you say, sometimes we use it to

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Speaker 3: I use white noise at home. I put it on

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Speaker 3: my headphones. My daughter's watching TV and I want to

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Speaker 3: be in the in the lounge, but I don't. I

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Speaker 3: want to read and I want to concentrate and not

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Speaker 3: hear her terrible TV programs like so I sent to

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Speaker 3: you that for that. But there's lots of sort of

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Speaker 3: debate around is this good for us or is this

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Speaker 3: helpful or not helpful.

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Speaker 2: Well, as I mentioned, I've never heard of white and

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Speaker 2: pink noise, and we've actually got some examples to play

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Speaker 2: for people. So here here's here's we start with white noise.

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Speaker 1: Libby.

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Speaker 2: Here's some white noise that's kind of like the jet engine,

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Speaker 2: the jet sort of that that the plane engine, isn't it?

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Speaker 2: And that that's sort of okay, So that's your white es.

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Speaker 3: That's good. That's white.

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Speaker 2: Okay, pink what's pink lobby? Okay, it's similar but as

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Speaker 2: you say, different frequency Google.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and it sounds that that that made me

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Speaker 3: think of rain on the roof a little bit too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I thought it was a wave coming in, but

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Speaker 2: it never quite broke.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, that's a good that's a good explanation

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Speaker 4: of it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So there's been some recent people have been looking at

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Speaker 2: the impact of white and pink noise and they're thinking

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Speaker 2: that there could be a potential it could improve concentration

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Speaker 2: and memory for adolescents and young adults, but only those

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Speaker 2: with ADHD.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, which is not what you'd expect, right, you would expect.

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Speaker 3: So so that you know, what they did is generally

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Speaker 3: you play give people headphones and play some different sorts

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Speaker 3: of noise through them and see see if their concentration

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Speaker 3: levels or their attention span their memory improves.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and they found that pink can white noise were

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Speaker 4: helpful for young people and young adults who have ADHD,

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Speaker 4: it actually helped them concentrate more, whereas for people who

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Speaker 4: didn't have ADHD, it actually interfered with their concentration, which

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Speaker 4: is sort of Immediately my immediate thought was, that's a

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Speaker 4: bit back to front that you would expect that, you know,

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Speaker 4: playing a whole lot of noise to somebody who doesn't

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Speaker 4: concentrate well in the first place is really going to

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Speaker 4: mess with them. But in fact that's not what they found.

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Speaker 3: It was. It was the opposite way around, which I

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Speaker 3: found quite quite fascinating.

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Speaker 2: Really, No, because my daughter has ADHD and she's always

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Speaker 2: got a couple of things on the go, so she

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Speaker 2: constantly has music playing, which enables her to relax and

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Speaker 2: focus on studying, listen to a teacher, whatever else she

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Speaker 2: needs to be doing. So whereas I cannot work worth

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Speaker 2: music or something else going on, it distracts me. I

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Speaker 2: need to be focused if I'm if I'm preparing a

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Speaker 2: show and reading and writing, I need to be completely

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Speaker 2: focused on that. I can't. It's almost sort of distracting

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Speaker 2: to have something else going on. So I do kind

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Speaker 2: of get that. I understand how that noise might just

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Speaker 2: it just might help soothes that somehow and then allows

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Speaker 2: you to focus on, yeah, something else.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. The theory is that that that people say DHD,

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Speaker 3: their ability to concentrate, those parts of the brain are

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Speaker 3: actually understimulated, and so that by playing this white noise

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Speaker 3: it turns there. It sort of stimulates your attention more

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Speaker 3: and gets them to a peak of ability to concentrate.

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Speaker 3: Whereas if you stimulate it too much, which is what

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Speaker 3: perhaps those of us without ADHD experience, if you stimulate

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Speaker 3: it too much, it becomes overload. So there's almost a

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Speaker 3: sweet spot if you like, of concentration if you if you,

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Speaker 3: if you you might need something to bring you up

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Speaker 3: to that sweet spot if you don't, if you have ADHD.

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Speaker 3: But if you don't have ADHD, having that that that concentration,

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Speaker 3: that memory stimulated actually pushes you out of the sweet

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Speaker 3: spot and over the top. So it's really fascinating, And

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Speaker 3: let's be clear, it's not it's not sort of a

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Speaker 3: huge it's not a massive cure all for ADHD, but

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Speaker 3: it could help, so, you know, particularly maybe for kids

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Speaker 3: like your daughter, playing some white noise or some pink

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Speaker 3: noise might be really helpful, particularly around studying and times

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Speaker 3: that they really need to concentrate.

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Speaker 2: I think she'll tell me she's got a much better

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Speaker 2: playlist on her Spotify idle that she'd prefer to listen to.

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Speaker 2: But it is absolutely worth worth trying today if you

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Speaker 2: are someone you know, if you do have your ADHD

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Speaker 2: and and thinking, oh, give it a go.

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Speaker 1: Nothing.

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Speaker 2: Look, I think it's things like ADHD you can try.

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Speaker 2: Lots of different things work for different people. You just

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Speaker 2: gotta try them, don't you Doogle really nice to talk

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Speaker 2: to you. Thank you for your time. This morning. Google

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Speaker 2: is from Umbrella Well Being.

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