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Speaker 1: What the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty exceptional

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Speaker 2: And joining me today Trish Sharson from Sheerson Willis PR

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Hello, Good to have you in the studio.

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Speaker 2: Neck Leggot is also with us from Infrastructure New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: How you doing, Nick?

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Speaker 3: Hello? Very well.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm exhausted by this whole thing. We've been talking

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Speaker 2: about it for one hundred and fifteen days. Trish, what

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Speaker 2: do you make of the Greens calling for her resignation

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Speaker 2: from parliament?

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Speaker 4: This is an absolute nightmare for the Greens. It's their

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Speaker 4: worst nightmare, I think. And there were absolute scenes at

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Speaker 4: this press conference today, scenes that I had never imagined

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Speaker 4: the Greens or that they would have imagined they were facing.

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Speaker 4: For instance, they were facing questions from one of the

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Speaker 4: journalists in the press gallery about is the Greens an

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Speaker 4: unsafe space for Wahini Mary? Are they racist? I mean,

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Speaker 4: you know, I think the Greens had never thought they

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Speaker 4: would be facing those questions, and you know, thinking about

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Speaker 4: what what has just been said from Bryce about the

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Speaker 4: possibility of if Darlene stayed, there could be the possibility

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Speaker 4: that she could join to party Madi. There seemed to

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Speaker 4: be a narrative if you think about that. Today developing

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Speaker 4: this has been very shoddy for the Greens. The process

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Speaker 4: has taken way too long. I was amazed today though

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Speaker 4: about how tough Chloe Swarbrick was in that press conference.

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Speaker 4: It was very ungreen like. It was a one eighty

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Speaker 4: difference between the press conference held around around Goldras Garinaeum

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Speaker 4: earlier in the year, where it was all about you know,

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Speaker 4: her wonderful pedigree and everything, and very little about the

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Speaker 4: shoplifting problems. So the next few days are going to

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Speaker 4: be interesting. The Greens obviously wanted a quick resignation from

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Speaker 4: Darlene over the weekend. They wanted her to be out

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Speaker 4: of caucus and out of Parliament, so today they could

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Speaker 4: have had a clean press conference and gone it's all

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Speaker 4: dealt with. I just don't think that's going to happen

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Speaker 4: for them now. I got very short curt answers from

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Speaker 4: Chloe Swarbrick today, Nick, which is quite unusual. You know,

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Speaker 4: what do you make of this whole scenario? What do

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Speaker 4: you think Darling will do.

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 3: If her behavior today has anything to go by, She's

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Speaker 3: going to dig in and not cooperate with the party hierarchy.

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Speaker 3: Lo the Greens are this is this is not just

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Speaker 3: an isolated incident in the sense that they've had a

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Speaker 3: tumultuous few months. Some of that is with MP behavior,

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Speaker 3: some of it is with tragedy with official columns as passing.

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Speaker 3: James Shaw of course has left. They want this now

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Speaker 3: to go away, and my view is that they've really

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Speaker 3: got to invoke the Waka Jumping Act if they want

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Speaker 3: to preserve any credibility here. This is the worker Jumping

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Speaker 3: Actor is about preserving. As Bryce Edwards says, the proportionality

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Speaker 3: of parliament. Having a member of Parliament, a member of

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Speaker 3: your corkers go west and do whatever they like is

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Speaker 3: not really what the spirit of MMP is about. She

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Speaker 3: was appointed by the party and elect on the list.

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Speaker 3: They need to clean house and they need to move on.

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Speaker 3: And I hope that that Chloe schwawbricks mood of today

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Speaker 3: and the attitude that she has shown will continue and

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Speaker 3: we'll get to that outcome where darning Tana is removed

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Speaker 3: from Parliament and the Greens get their next person up.

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Speaker 2: We haven't seen the report, obviously, Trisha, when this is

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Speaker 2: the problem, we haven't seen the report. It's so frustrating.

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Speaker 2: But Chloe's telling us it's really bad, you've got done

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Speaker 2: and going no, it's not too bad at all. The

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Speaker 2: Wroker jumping route. It almost feels trash, like it's going

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Speaker 2: to come down to what the Green or who the

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Speaker 2: Greens hates more, you know'st to which are they going

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Speaker 2: to go?

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Speaker 4: Either way? There are dead rats to swallow. And again

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Speaker 4: that's one of the problems for the Greens today that

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Speaker 4: they couldn't release the report today. So what they've said

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Speaker 4: is and I understand there are privacy issues around it

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Speaker 4: because obviously in that report it names a lot of

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Speaker 4: I imagine the individuals who had raised issues through the report,

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Speaker 4: so they've got to get you know, get it cleared

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Speaker 4: to be able to release it. I think that's probably

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Speaker 4: the issue with the report. So they couldn't release that.

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Speaker 4: So we're having to take a sort of Chloe on

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Speaker 4: her word about how bad it is. But this is

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Speaker 4: what tells me something has gone terribly wrong here. Think

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Speaker 4: about how strident Chloe was in her language about not

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Speaker 4: only the severity of the seriousness of what you know,

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Speaker 4: allegedly Darlene has done, but Chloe Lou used words like

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Speaker 4: I feel betrayed. On the other side, in Darlene's statement today,

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Speaker 4: you have her saying, effectively, this was about what she

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Speaker 4: did or didn't know, and it's not that she was

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Speaker 4: involved in the alleged behavior. So it's like black and

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Speaker 4: white at this point.

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Speaker 2: Okay, don't you think, though, Nick, if we're going to

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Speaker 2: have independent investigations and they're going to take one hundred

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Speaker 2: and fifteen hundred and sixteen days, if you take part

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Speaker 2: in it, should you not just sign a form then

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Speaker 2: and there that says that you are happy for the

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Speaker 2: report to be released. I don't understand why we're chasing

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Speaker 3: Look, I'm involved in a review not quite as controversial

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Speaker 3: as this, but nonetheless sensitive at the moment, and those

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Speaker 3: sort of undertakings can be given upfront to people who

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Speaker 3: are interviewed. That's not hard. But of course it's always

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Speaker 3: going to be sensitive, but nonetheless there is significant public

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Speaker 3: interest here. I also note that the Green said they

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Speaker 3: were funding this themselves after a certain amount of time

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Speaker 3: had a lapsed, but it turns out it turns out

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Speaker 3: out they're just funding it through the Parliamentary leader's budget,

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Speaker 3: so taxplayers are paying either way. There's just a bit

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Speaker 3: of less discretionary funding I think for the Greens now

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Speaker 3: that they've chosen to fund it from there from the

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Speaker 3: leader's budget. But look, it does need to be drawn

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Speaker 3: to a close. If you're the Green Party, you're actually

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Speaker 3: doing pretty well in the polls despite everything that's going on.

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Speaker 3: You do not need this to continue. You want to

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Speaker 3: be on the job of opposition at a time when

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Speaker 3: you think that there is significant capital to be made

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Speaker 3: opposing the new government. So it is this, This will

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Speaker 3: needs to This will continue to bleed unless they can

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Speaker 3: actually take an action, and that action appears to be

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Speaker 3: going down the Wacker jumping route.

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Speaker 2: You are with the Huddle. We're going to take a

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Speaker 2: quick break back in just a moment.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's international Realty, unparalleled reach

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Speaker 2: Suason and Nick Leggett are way for me? Are trash?

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Speaker 2: Forty thousand people in New Zealand go without power each

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Speaker 2: year because they can't pay the power bills. Consumer thinks

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Speaker 2: power should not be shut off of people who don't pay.

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Speaker 2: Is it realistic?

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Speaker 4: Well, it's a great headline for consumer, but if you

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Speaker 4: dig under it, how on earth is that going to happen,

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Speaker 4: and actually we have to pay for power. That's just

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Speaker 4: the way that it works. I do know also that

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Speaker 4: for the major power companies now, because of the tragic

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Speaker 4: circumstances that happened back in two thousand and seven, where

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Speaker 4: you know, if Afarno was cut off who relied on

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Speaker 4: power and was a very terrible event, power companies now

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Speaker 4: have to go through a number of steps before there

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Speaker 4: is a disconnection, and on the flip side, to get

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Speaker 4: people back on there are a number of options, like

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Speaker 4: the kind of pre pay meters in your home that

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Speaker 4: you can have. I just I don't think it's realistic

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Speaker 4: to a you know that we can just have a

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Speaker 4: situation where people don't have to pay Nick is power

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Speaker 4: too expensive?

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Speaker 3: Well, everything's too expensive, isn't it. I mean, I think

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Speaker 3: that what we're we're are looking at here is hardship

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Speaker 3: is increasing across the board. I don't think any key

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Speaker 3: we likes the idea of a children living in a

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Speaker 3: home and winter that doesn't have the power on. And

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Speaker 3: I think that there should be steps to support people

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Speaker 3: who are living in energy hardship. If you think about

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Speaker 3: you know, we live in a cold country and winter

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Speaker 3: and housing we know in many parts of the country

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Speaker 3: enhances people's health. Turning the electricity off adds to that

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Speaker 3: for children. So I think it's more around the support

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Speaker 3: of people, the better support of people who are suffering hardship.

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Speaker 3: It's the approach that both places like MSD can take,

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Speaker 3: but also the power companies themselves, like Trish. You can't

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Speaker 3: just say you're never going to cut off people's power

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Speaker 3: because you actually empower people in those instances who deliberately

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Speaker 3: won't pay a bill and never have any will never

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Speaker 3: have any intention of doing so. So we've got to

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Speaker 3: be sensible here. But I think that it's also around

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Speaker 3: sensitivity to those who are in circumstances and who are

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Speaker 3: particularly children. So it's just it's a policy approach. It's

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Speaker 3: not a black or white situation.

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Speaker 2: Oh look, I couldn't agree more. Let's get to the

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Speaker 2: really serious topic of the day. Our prices might be

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Speaker 2: going up, but grocery supplies keep shrinking our food. So

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Speaker 2: my producer is very concerned that biscuits are getting smaller.

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Speaker 2: It might be a good thing for the waistline. I

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Speaker 2: personally am fed up of opening a packet of chips

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Speaker 2: and there's just no chips in there. And people tell

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Speaker 2: me you need air in that chip bag, but there's

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Speaker 2: only a third that the packs field with the third

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Speaker 2: of chips. It's ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: Trish Well, this is my like my personal, my personal

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Speaker 4: little rant on this. One of my favorite things in

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Speaker 4: the is the marshmallow Easter eggs that you get with

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Speaker 4: the yolk in the center.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 4: A couple of years ago Cadbury just cut the egg

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Speaker 4: and well it's not even egg now, it's just half

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Speaker 4: a sort of a half round chocolate marshmallow. I find

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Speaker 4: that so outrageous and so not in the spirit of

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Speaker 4: of Well, it's not in the spirit of Easter, is it?

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Speaker 4: Because they didn't.

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Speaker 2: You be angry about it. It's just MINGI it's just

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Speaker 2: you've got a pet winge with this.

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Speaker 1: Nick.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'd like to second that, because I too look

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Speaker 3: forward to those eggs every year. The other one, I mean,

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Speaker 3: for me, it's the it's the biscuits, right, they shrink

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Speaker 3: and you know the we buy our kids those chocolate

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Speaker 3: chippy sort of they've got the sort of chocolate chips

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Speaker 3: and my camera what they're called. I quite I'm quite

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Speaker 3: partial to them myself. They have shrunk and look part

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Speaker 3: of it. You're absolutely right our waistlines would be thankful,

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Speaker 3: But actually you're paying the same. Actually you're paying more

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Speaker 3: for less. And when you buy those bags of chippies,

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Speaker 3: you're not paying for the fresh air of the bag.

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Speaker 3: You're paying for the content i e. The chips. So look,

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Speaker 3: you can understand that this is economizing on behalf of

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Speaker 3: food manufacturers, but you're going to annoy customers. And I

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Speaker 3: think that people should be given the option to pay

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Speaker 3: a bit more to get a bit more, and we're

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Speaker 3: not given that option at the moment, and that to

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Speaker 3: me seems pretty unfair.

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Speaker 4: In good news, I saw out of the States today

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Speaker 4: a story from some of those very big multinational suppli

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Speaker 4: saying we can't do this kind of stuff anymore because

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Speaker 4: of pressure on from around the cost of living.

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Speaker 2: I think basically we've been told that we just have

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Speaker 2: to make these things ourselves. Trisherson and Nick Legot, thank

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Speaker 2: you so much for your time.

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Speaker 1: to news talks. It'd be from four pm weekdays, or

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