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Speaker 1: Digging through the spin to find the real story. Oring

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Speaker 1: It's Heather Dupicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand Let's

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Speaker 1: get connected News TALKSV.

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Speaker 2: Hey, good afternoon. Good to be back with you. Coming

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Speaker 2: up on today's show, the Health Minister Simmon Brown has

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Speaker 2: got the green light for the white couple medical school.

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Speaker 2: Talk to him. Inflation's up slightly? Should we be worried?

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Speaker 2: We're going to speak to kir We Bank and Nikola

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Speaker 2: Willis the Finance Minister with us as per usual after

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Speaker 2: six Heather Dupicy Ellen, I'm thrilled that everything is on

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Speaker 2: the table for NCAA, and I would urge the government

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Speaker 2: to go all the way and just ditch this thing

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Speaker 2: all together. There is no point in tinkering with NCAA.

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Speaker 2: It is, I think, frankly, beyond rescue. It just needs

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Speaker 2: to go. I missed nca by two years. My little

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Speaker 2: brother was in the first group to do it, and

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Speaker 2: I clearly remember knowing even then, when I was still

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Speaker 2: at school in year thirteen, that I was lucky to

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Speaker 2: have missed it because it was already a joke in

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Speaker 2: the first year that it was brought in, and the

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Speaker 2: prop that we knew back then are still the problems

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Speaker 2: that we have now. Having teachers mark their own students

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Speaker 2: work rather than having it externally marked always meant that

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Speaker 2: we couldn't be sure that students were all achieving the

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Speaker 2: same level across the country. And having so many internal

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Speaker 2: credits available that students could pass before they even got

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Speaker 2: to exam time always meant that they were going to

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Speaker 2: figure this out, and they were going to start to

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Speaker 2: gain the system, and they were going to rack up

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Speaker 2: their internal assessment credits and get enough and then just

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Speaker 2: skip the exams, and that is exactly what they're doing.

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Speaker 2: The end result has been entirely predictable. Kids would absolutely

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Speaker 2: have a qualification. They could come out the other side, say, yep,

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Speaker 2: by men CEA one, NCAA two, NCAA level three, but

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Speaker 2: that didn't mean that actually learned anything. We couldn't actually

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Speaker 2: be sure that they learned what they needed to learn

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Speaker 2: during the course of the year. And that is what

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Speaker 2: has happened. When we made those exams compulsory, you know,

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Speaker 2: the ones that we've been talking about in the last

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Speaker 2: few years. The fail rates in them were enormous, and

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Speaker 2: that's because kids didn't learn what they were supposed to

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Speaker 2: learn in the second year of NCEA. This is Level two.

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Speaker 2: Nearly half of the Level two students the year twelve

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Speaker 2: students achieved it last year without actually learning all the

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Speaker 2: things that they were supposed to learn. How on earth

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Speaker 2: do you do that?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 2: Why I think there is no point in tinkering and

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Speaker 2: continuing with some form of NCEA is because if you

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Speaker 2: change these things that you need to change to make

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Speaker 2: NCEA better, you are changing what is fundamental about NCEEA.

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Speaker 2: It is supposed to be flexible. It is supposed to

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Speaker 2: be internally assessed. If you take that kind of stuff out,

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Speaker 2: you're just going to go back to something that looks

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Speaker 2: like ib or Cambridge, in which case just get rid

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Speaker 2: of it and go back to something that looks like

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Speaker 2: ib or Cambridge. And why not go back to ib

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Speaker 2: or Cambridge. Why do we have to do our own

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Speaker 2: version of it? It is a dog. It has been

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Speaker 2: a dog since the very start. Just ditch it for

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Speaker 2: ever do for c Ellens nineteen ninet two is the

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Speaker 2: text number. Now kmart staff, how good is this? Are

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Speaker 2: set to become some of the highest paid retail workers

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Speaker 2: Martin eloyees will now be receiving the living wage of

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Speaker 2: twenty eight dollars ninety five an hour. The wage applies

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Speaker 2: Hughes is the Worker's First Union Deputy, rather the workers

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Speaker 2: First Union Deputy Secretary Secretary of Retail. Rud, you got

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Speaker 2: a linking total mouthful. You could chop that down a

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Speaker 2: little bit. Anyway, Listen, how hard did you guys have

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Speaker 2: to fight for this result?

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Speaker 4: Look, it was you know, we spent six days at

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Speaker 4: was it was how bargaining should take place. You know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but did you get it across the line by

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Speaker 2: reminding them they do this around the world. Why weren't

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Speaker 4: That's exactly what we did. You know, they were looking

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Speaker 4: You know, you should be paying it in New Zealand.

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Speaker 4: You know, we have a living wage here, meet it

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Speaker 4: And they came to the party and so what.

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Speaker 2: Was their justification for doing it around the world but

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Speaker 4: Well they didn't really have a justification for it, which

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Speaker 2: To it, just getting away with it as long as

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, I mean that's part and part all

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Speaker 4: to pay much and we want to pay more now.

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Speaker 2: Rud Why is it only for employees who've been there

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Speaker 4: So that's the way it's been bargained over the last

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Speaker 4: sure that these people are going to stay in the

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Speaker 2: Do you think other retailers are going to look at

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I do, I really do. I think that

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Speaker 4: you know, this is a gold standard for us in

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Speaker 4: terms of retail well costco probably pay just slightly more,

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Speaker 4: it's really a long way away. You know, I'll give

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Speaker 4: bargaining agreed to it. And at the moment it looks

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Speaker 4: that agreement. They would be only they'd be getting three

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Speaker 4: these these guys are going to come in, they're going

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Speaker 4: it's it's it's not that they can't afford to do it.

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Speaker 4: We've asked for the you know, the details of their

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Speaker 4: The workers certainly haven't had that kind of incrom their

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Speaker 4: look at what kmar are doing. You know, Kmart had

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Speaker 2: Right, thanks very much, really appreciate your time. Rod Hughes,

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Speaker 2: Deputy Secretary of Retail. No, I'm not even going to try.

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Speaker 2: He's with First Union. Now I have read your Cinder's

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Speaker 2: book for you. I finished. This is it. This is

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Speaker 2: the last, This is the last. This is the last

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Speaker 2: going to give you the praise of the book later

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Speaker 2: of times just Cinder shops at Kmart and then writes

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Speaker 2: like three hundred and thirty pages, are you going to

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Speaker 2: that's literally one of the sentences. I looked around Premier

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Speaker 2: going on here? No, it's just Jacinda loves going to Kmart.

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Speaker 2: Who would have thought, I'm glad that that didn't come

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Speaker 2: don't know if the jay Hoo would want to be

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Speaker 2: about it later in the program. Got some good news

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Speaker 2: gonna say not so much the inflation numbers, but actually, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Here the re NCEEA welcome back. Is there any bipartisan

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Speaker 2: support for this though? Because I don't trust Label will

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Speaker 2: come in and change it all over again. It's a

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Speaker 2: fair point that you make, but I think I think

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Speaker 2: you'd the public support for resurrecting NCAA would be about zero.

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Speaker 2: Don't you think this is every chance they come in

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Speaker 2: with another stupid idea? But I doubt it very much.

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Speaker 2: Eighteen past four now Jason Pines Sports Talk hoosters with

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Speaker 2: us a pony. Hello, Heather, How should we rate that

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Speaker 2: three zip win over France?

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Speaker 6: Oh, building block? I think building block towards the tougher

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Speaker 6: test matches ahead. I think France probably punched above their weight.

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Speaker 6: I think they were probably better than a lot of

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Speaker 6: us expected. The All Blacks were at times good, at

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Speaker 6: times not so good. But to work on that sort

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Speaker 6: of thing. But three Nils, three nil, that was always

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Speaker 6: the entree. I think to the Rugby Championship. Rays has

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Speaker 6: I think you tick a box certainly won't be a

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Speaker 6: three match series that goes down as one of the greats.

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Speaker 6: I'm not sure we're watching it back in its entirety,

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Speaker 6: but I think it probably served a purpose.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that it is? It definitely got better

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Speaker 2: as it went on, right, And do you think that

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Speaker 2: was because we needed to let them settle into the season.

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Speaker 6: Well, actually they were best in Wellington. On Saturday night

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Speaker 6: in Hamilton, I think they took another step back, particularly

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Speaker 6: in the first half. They came home strong.

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Speaker 2: So that was but Piney, that was our B team

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Speaker 2: that we were playing, right, So it's almost like you

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Speaker 2: can't really compare the two well ten changes.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I guess you could say that there were a

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Speaker 6: lot of regulars in the you know, the so called

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Speaker 6: top team who weren't there. Yes, good point. So yeah,

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Speaker 6: I mean when you give thirty three guys games across

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Speaker 2: Okay, now, what is going with netball? New Zealand and

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Speaker 6: There's no such rule. It was like an urban myth.

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Speaker 2: But what are the chances that they say, okay, Grace,

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Speaker 2: So the chances of that happening is zero a zero zero.

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Speaker 6: This is a rule will allow Grace Wiki and others,

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Speaker 1: Moving the big stories of the day from forward Award,

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Speaker 2: That'd be four twenty five. Now look post cabinet press

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Speaker 7: Today's decision will allow the University of Waikato to begin

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Speaker 8: Sorry, we made a cabinet decision as a cabinet, as

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Speaker 8: We obviously put it through a detailed business case as

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Speaker 2: Okay, So obviously something has changed to get act across

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Speaker 2: The government was going to put in two eighty million,

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Speaker 2: Okay, we're going to speak to Simmon Brown about this

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Speaker 2: It's hard to look at They went up four point

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Speaker 2: We're not even counting the council rates yet that's coming

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Speaker 1: Be recapping the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather duplicity, Elan Drive with one New Zealand let's

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Speaker 10: Have value.

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Speaker 11: Right Verry.

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Speaker 2: So it's going to be a US and ten minutes time.

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Speaker 2: Big news for the old retailers, the crackdown and the

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Speaker 2: and this is nol Leaming. What they're having a crack

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Speaker 2: we'll have a chat to consume a New Zealand about

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Speaker 2: that quarter past five. Right now, it's twenty four away

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on newstalks, they'd be drive.

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Speaker 2: At least seventeen people have died in floods and landslides

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Speaker 9: When the water gushed towards the house, the cows were

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Speaker 2: First day back at school for Australia's new parliament. Opposition

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Speaker 12: Now mister Abnezi's giving interviews and he's suggesting that we

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Speaker 2: Well, we won't be getting out of the way.

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Speaker 13: Our job is to represent the millions of Australians who

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Speaker 7: It's not funny.

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Speaker 13: I mean hours of content that the kids had.

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Speaker 1: International Correspondence with ends and eye Insurance Peace of mind

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Speaker 1: for New Zealand Business.

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Speaker 2: Olly Peterson's sixty hour Perth Live presenters with us Ali. Hello,

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Speaker 2: are you there? Ali?

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Speaker 15: I am Can you hear me?

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Speaker 2: Heather? Can you do have a DIY?

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Speaker 3: Are you here?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 15: I don't, no way. Now I go to Brendan and

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Speaker 15: he looks after me at Blink Blonde. He's outstanding.

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Speaker 2: How much do you pay brandan sixty eight dollars? And

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Speaker 2: how often do you go every five weeks. Yeah, five

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Speaker 15: It's pretty expensive, isn't it. But like he's really good

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Speaker 2: If you're ever in Perth, Heather, go and see him. Okay, yeah, cool?

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Speaker 2: What do you ask for bowl cut.

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Speaker 15: Or I just he just as the usual number two

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Speaker 2: It's great. I'll ask him for a short back and

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Speaker 11: Well?

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Speaker 2: On he his cockahoop.

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Speaker 15: He wakes up to news poll this morning which shows

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Speaker 15: ever been, historic lows for Susan Lean, I know she

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Speaker 15: you and I talk right now, Heather, he is welcoming

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Speaker 15: this week he's going to slash university hex step by

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Speaker 15: twenty percent. That's his first time of a business and

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Speaker 15: he wants to really focus on childcare reform in the

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Speaker 15: wake of what we heard out of Victoria in the

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Speaker 15: last couple of weeks. So they're his first major priorities.

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Speaker 15: He doesn't want to take for granted, obviously the opportunities

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Speaker 15: that Australians have given the Albanese government. But already today

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Speaker 15: out there they're floating this idea of capital gains tax reform.

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Speaker 15: So I think he'll be he'll be right on top

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Speaker 15: of it for the first few weeks and we're going

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Speaker 15: to really discover what the coalition is these days for

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Speaker 15: Susan Lee.

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Speaker 2: They're not going to be the noalition that Peter Dutton led.

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Speaker 2: But what approach that the coalition takes.

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Speaker 15: Is anybody's guests, because they are really in the wilderness.

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Speaker 2: Now, what reform can he actually do with childcare? Because

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Speaker 2: I mean, it seems to me that the problem here

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Speaker 2: was simply that a creep managed to work in a

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Speaker 2: child care place, and either you have to just vet

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Speaker 2: better or unfortunately accept that there will be some who

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Speaker 2: will get through the vetting.

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Speaker 15: And I think you've nailed it by just saying you

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Speaker 15: need to vet people better, and that's really down to

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Speaker 15: state responsibilities unless you're going to have Commonwealth laws. He's

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Speaker 15: also talking about the cost of childcare and the fact

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Speaker 15: that he wants to bring that down for working families.

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Speaker 2: But you're right, there's not much more that could be done.

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Speaker 15: And I know it's become a bit of a gendered

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Speaker 15: issue in Australia in regards to men who are childcare workers.

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Speaker 2: But look, I'll say, this is a blokeheader.

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Speaker 15: I wouldn't want a three year old being looked after

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Speaker 15: a bloke in a childcare center. Just actually think it's

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Speaker 15: a bit odd, But that that's just me. So you know,

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Speaker 15: I think that we'll see the vetting process now.

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Speaker 16: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I just look, I just don't get it head.

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Speaker 15: I just don't get why a man would actually want

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Speaker 15: to go into a childcare center in terms of that

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Speaker 15: that's a job that they want to do.

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Speaker 2: And nine, OK, nineteen twenty three, and that's fine, but

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Speaker 2: that's me. I said that I'll copy it. But I

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Speaker 2: just I do I think it's a bit odd. I

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Speaker 2: really do think it's a bit odd. Okay, interesting, that's

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Speaker 2: a discussion for another day that we have instantly, we

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Speaker 2: have a good debate. Yeah, no, absolutely, listen, talk to

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Speaker 2: me about the Tasmania election, because it is am I

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Speaker 2: right in that it is something of a surprise that

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Speaker 2: the Liberal Party is actually getting the first shot.

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Speaker 15: At this well, that's right, and the fact that after

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Speaker 15: eleven years the Liberal Party still holds on it.

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Speaker 2: Basically nothing's changed over the weekend.

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Speaker 15: They've got fourteen seats, the same number they had when

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Speaker 15: a vote of no confidence was called on the Tasmanian

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Speaker 15: Premier Jeremy Rockcliffe. The Labor Party only has ten. The

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Speaker 15: magic number was eighteen. What is though, giving the Labor

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Speaker 15: Party reason to say no, no, no, you should look to

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Speaker 15: us is the fact there are about nine cross benches

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Speaker 15: from the left side of politics, so you know, they

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Speaker 15: go with the Labor Party giving them nineteen, but the

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Speaker 15: Liberal Party would then have fifteen and maybe convince a

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Speaker 15: few others. It's a mess, it's a shambles tasmaniic, we

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Speaker 15: already knew that, Like you know, Tasmania that's a little

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Speaker 15: squeeze little place between mainland Australia and New Zealand. Do

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Speaker 15: you want it, you can have it?

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Speaker 2: Well why not? Now, how are the teens being recruited

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Speaker 2: by the gangs.

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Speaker 15: Well, this is rather interesting, but they're trying to get

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Speaker 15: around the idea that you know, basically you can't prosecute

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Speaker 15: well you can still prosecute children. But what they're doing

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Speaker 15: is they're getting some of the deadly work being done

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Speaker 15: by teenagers.

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Speaker 2: So sort of the.

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Speaker 15: Weapons that they've been found with, handguns, bayonets found in

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Speaker 15: parts of Western Sydney teenagers' homes and they're saying this

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Speaker 15: is alarming, and they're doing this because they giving it

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Speaker 15: to the kids, as I said, because they're not going

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Speaker 15: to be as as harshly dealt with by the police force.

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Speaker 15: You know, usually it's a bit of a slap on

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Speaker 15: the wrist to these means who are being recruited by

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Speaker 15: the gangs. So again I don't think that's probably anything

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Speaker 15: you that probably gangs from run around the world have

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Speaker 15: been doing for years. But they say that they're really

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Speaker 15: infiltrating a lot of Western Sydney communities and the payoff

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Speaker 15: the needs for their families. They're giving them money to say,

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Speaker 15: let you can you get your son to try and

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Speaker 15: smuggle this into a certain part of Sydney. So that's

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Speaker 15: something they're very worried about.

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Speaker 2: All right, Hey Onli, look after yourself and we chat

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Speaker 2: again about blokes working in childcare at some stage. Oliver

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Speaker 2: Veters six PR Perth Live presenter. It's not looking good

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Speaker 2: for the wide or council.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: If you find yourself currently in Wide or chuck your

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Speaker 2: hand off the counsel it's a shoe in because only

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Speaker 2: one candidate has put his hand up for nomination. Jeremy,

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Speaker 2: who is the CEO of Northern Hawks Bay Roading Company

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Speaker 2: QR essen, is already a counselor. Is literally the only

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Speaker 2: person who is asking to be a counselor. No one

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Speaker 2: else has registered yet. There is the outside chance that

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Speaker 2: their forms are in the mail or just got lost

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Speaker 2: or something like that, but most likely no one wants

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Speaker 2: to be around the council table. Anyway you've got about

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Speaker 2: I think it lasts like eleven days because the nominations

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Speaker 2: close at noon on August one. So if you're thinking

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Speaker 2: about it, it's easy money, which is a problem in

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Speaker 2: and of itself. But there you go. Seventeen away from.

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Speaker 1: Five Politics with centrics credit, check your customers and get payments, thirtaty.

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Speaker 2: Get fourteen away from five and Barrrie Soper Political Senior

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Speaker 2: Political correspondence with us Hi Barry.

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Speaker 5: Good afternoon, Heather, So.

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Speaker 2: The Waikato Medical School. Are you loving this?

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Speaker 13: Well?

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Speaker 5: We talked about it last year or sorry, in the

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Speaker 5: lead up to the election in twenty twenty three, didn't we.

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Speaker 5: They were then saying it was going to cost the

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Speaker 5: taxpayer about two hundred and eighty odd million dollars to

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Speaker 5: set it up. Well, the taxpayer is stumping up only

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Speaker 5: eighty million dollars. The rest is coming from the Waikato

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Speaker 5: University and philanthropists. But the thing that interested me as

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Speaker 5: soon as Chris Luxen and samm Bra we're at the

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Speaker 5: podium announcing this new Medical School Act, was putting out

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Speaker 5: a statement claiming credit for driving down the price. I mean,

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Speaker 5: why can't they just pull back a bit and allow

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Speaker 5: the government, if it wants to take credit for this,

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Speaker 5: take credit for it as a collective. But no, David

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Speaker 5: Seymour was there saying it's acts rigorous, questioning they helped

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Speaker 5: to ensure more efficient investment and Kiwi's got a bit

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Speaker 5: of deal out of it well. Chris likes and says

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Speaker 5: the creation of the new medical schools essential for coping

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Speaker 5: with our aging population.

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Speaker 8: We've got anyway from two to three hundred, three hundred

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Speaker 8: and fifty students from New Zealand studying in Australian universities

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Speaker 8: doing medicine. And once they go there and they do

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Speaker 8: their studies there, yes, so some of them will come back,

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Speaker 8: but not all of them. And so the actual opportunity

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Speaker 8: about creating more spaces and opening up more spaces for

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Speaker 8: medical students. We've been trying to do that like expanding

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Speaker 8: places obviously in Otago and also in Auckland. But obviously

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Speaker 8: this is quite a big leap forward as we put

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Speaker 8: another one hundred and twenty slots into training each year.

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Speaker 8: If you're going to have a rising population, you've got

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Speaker 8: one medical school for two point six million people. We

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Speaker 8: look at Australia, one medical school for every one point

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Speaker 8: two million in Australian So you know, we need to

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Speaker 8: be able to start to move in that place and

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Speaker 8: make this investment.

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Speaker 5: So that's a reasonable argument, I think, and you know

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty eight that's when it's meant to start. I'll

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Speaker 5: start producing students in twenty thirty two. But the thing

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Speaker 5: is or doctors.

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Speaker 2: Sorry it is the first in take twenty eight, twenty eight.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but the thing is, how do you tell a

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Speaker 5: person that's graduated medical school to stay in the region?

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Speaker 5: And I don't know are they going to bond them?

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Speaker 5: They weren't asked at the news conference. I would have

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Speaker 5: liked to have known that. So how do they keep

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Speaker 5: them in the area. They say they're drawing them in

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Speaker 5: from the Waikato region, but I don't know how they're

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Speaker 5: going to ensure that they stay there once they graduate.

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Speaker 2: Fair question. Yeah, what do you make of the NCAA changes.

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Speaker 5: Well, I think they have to come, don't they. I

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Speaker 5: mean n CEA is it's been a dog ever since

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Speaker 5: it was introduced by the Any Education Minister, Travel Mallard

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Speaker 5: back in two thousand and two. And it really they

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Speaker 5: sold it on the key being flexibility and it essentially

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Speaker 5: allows And we saw one of our lovely producers out

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Speaker 5: there saying today that he got mathematics credits through doing geography.

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Speaker 2: He met them from his geography, cross.

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Speaker 5: Credit geography and then get enough credits in mathematics, and

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Speaker 5: that's how the system is wrought by schemes like that

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Speaker 5: and jacking up sums so that they get the right credits.

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Speaker 5: Why don't they just go back to what we used

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Speaker 5: to have school certificate university entrance. And I know it

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Speaker 5: sound like an old fogy going on about it, but

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Speaker 5: at least it was a national standard. This isn't This

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Speaker 5: is so buried in how it applies to me, it

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Speaker 5: just doesn't make it.

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Speaker 2: I always think that if you see parents starting to

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Speaker 2: avoid something, then you must must acknowledge there's a problem

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Speaker 2: with it. And parents are going out of their way

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Speaker 2: to avoid this and to go for ib and Cambridge,

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Speaker 2: so you know that's right. But still, regardless of the

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Speaker 2: fact that you and I might think it's a slam dunk,

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Speaker 2: it is a really brave thing for Eric Stanford to

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Speaker 2: do to overhaul something as significant as this.

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Speaker 5: Right, Well, you know governments, as we said at the

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Speaker 5: outset of this, they've done it before. They can do

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Speaker 5: it again.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely all right Now, I can't quite understand who are

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Speaker 2: these councils and government departments paying good money to set

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Speaker 2: up what is it Maldi language apps or something.

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Speaker 5: Yes they are and I can tell you who's wasting

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Speaker 5: the money go on. Then this is through the taxpayers

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Speaker 5: Union are inquired of them today. Acc they've spent thirty

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Speaker 5: eight thousand dollars on getting an app that's already available

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Speaker 5: through a nationalized system, the Ministry for Primary Industries MB,

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Speaker 5: the Ministry of Business, the Ministry of Social Development. As

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Speaker 5: if they can afford to spend money, willing lily will

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Speaker 5: they spend forty three and a half thousand dollars developing

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Speaker 5: an app. But if you're worried about your rates being high,

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Speaker 5: and if you live in Taronga, then they spend seventy

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Speaker 5: five thousand dollars in getting their own cultural app. And

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Speaker 5: do you know how many times it was downloaded? Just

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Speaker 5: over two thousand, So that's about thirty four dollars for

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Speaker 5: each time it's downloaded. The way Cato Regional Council they

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Speaker 5: also spent thirty four thousand dollars on it. Now this

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Speaker 5: is available nationally through the Maori Language Commission, so you

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Speaker 5: can have you can adopt that app and save yourself

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Speaker 5: the travel of spending all this money, much of it taxpayers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's not beating up. It's not beating

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Speaker 2: up on the fact that it is a Maori language.

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Speaker 2: App right, it is beating up on the fact that

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Speaker 2: if these things are already really available, why are you

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Speaker 2: spending money duplicating precisely? Yeah, Barry, thanks very much. Barry Soper,

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Speaker 2: Senior political correspondent, coming up eight away from five.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers the MICUs breakfast.

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Speaker 17: The Prime Minister is with us, So you cut into

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Speaker 17: the public service. And yet I read a rung a

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Speaker 17: tomaeriki is spending two million dollars a year plus on

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Speaker 17: communication stuff. How's this possible?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: Funny you say that someone raised that with me.

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Speaker 10: I say that at all.

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Speaker 8: No, what I mean is it is an awful lot

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Speaker 8: of comms people in the government service, and we've been

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Speaker 8: trying to say it. Get rid of the back office,

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Speaker 8: make sure you put the resources in the front line.

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Speaker 5: Why don't you just sack them?

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Speaker 8: Well, I mean, we're putting the pressure back on CEOs

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Speaker 8: to say, you've got these goals to deliver for us.

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Speaker 8: How you organize your resources is up to you, but

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Speaker 8: we're going to hold you accountable.

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Speaker 17: So you're in charge of it. And this is a

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Speaker 17: rung a Tamaeriki who couldn't get out of their own

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Speaker 17: way if their life depended on it. Back tomorrow at

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Speaker 17: six am the Mic Hosking Breakfast with a Vida News

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Speaker 17: Talk zb YEA.

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Speaker 2: The Auckland Council has done their own Mardi language app

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Speaker 2: as well. Geez, I'll tell you what if you stripped

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Speaker 2: out all the duplication, like the stuff that already exists

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Speaker 2: that councils and various government departments feel that they've got

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Speaker 2: to do themselves just so they can have their own

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Speaker 2: bespoke version of it. You strip that out of public spending,

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Speaker 2: I reckon would save millions and millions and millions and

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Speaker 2: millions of dollars. And you just wish that they could

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Speaker 2: kind of just get exercise some common sense. But evidently

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Speaker 2: not five away from five now, Ali Williams and Anna Moobray,

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Speaker 2: you know, the ones who got the helicopter pad approved

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Speaker 2: for Westmere, for their place in Westmere, that is now

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Speaker 2: going to court again. It's being challenged through an appeal

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Speaker 2: by a group called Quiet Sky White to Matar. These

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Speaker 2: guys say the radical ruling reflects an unanticipated interpretation of

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Speaker 2: the Auckland Unitary Plan. It goes against overwhelming public sentiment

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Speaker 2: to a oppose private helicopters in residential areas. If this

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Speaker 2: decision isn't challenged, the flood gates for helicopters in backyards

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Speaker 2: will open. We simply can't let this terrible decision stand.

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Speaker 2: So keep an eye on that one. Now, AI. Listen.

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Speaker 2: I love AI, and actually I'm getting a bit I'm

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Speaker 2: becoming slightly weirdly obsessed about it. But one of the

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Speaker 2: greatest risks with AI is with mental health, and that

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Speaker 2: if you use it to sort of ask it questions

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Speaker 2: about in fact, just any health. Really, if you ask

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Speaker 2: it questions, it can actually validate what you're thinking. That

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Speaker 2: the risk is that it validates what you're thinking and

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Speaker 2: then makes your delusions or your concerns worse. And there

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Speaker 2: is a really striking case of this is a chap

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Speaker 2: called Jacob Irwin who's thirty years old and he's on

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Speaker 2: the autism spectrum. He's from the States. He was convinced

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Speaker 2: that he had achieved the ability to bend time, and

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Speaker 2: so he asked chat gpt to find flaws with his

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Speaker 2: amateur theory on faster than light travel, and chat GPT

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Speaker 2: was encouraging him, telling him his theory was sound, and

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Speaker 2: then when he started showing size of psychological distress, chat

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Speaker 2: GPT assured him that he was absolutely fine. But he

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Speaker 2: was not fine at all. He had some manic episodes

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Speaker 2: and he ended up in hospital twice in May for

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Speaker 2: those manic episodes. Anyway, when this happened, that his mum

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Speaker 2: went online and looked at his chat log with chat

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Speaker 2: GPT to try to find out what had gone wrong here,

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Speaker 2: and there were hundreds of pages, hundreds of pages of

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Speaker 2: overly flattering messages from chat gpt. So she asked the

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Speaker 2: bot please self report what went wrong, and it fessed

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Speaker 2: up by not pausing the flow or elevating real check messaging,

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Speaker 2: I failed to interrupt what could resemble a manical dissociative episode.

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Speaker 2: It admitted it gave the illusion of sentient champion companionship

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Speaker 2: and that it had blurred the line between imaginative role

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Speaker 2: play and reality. And what it should have done was

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Speaker 2: remind him that it's just a language model and it

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Speaker 2: doesn't have feelings or beliefs or consciousness. What's creepy about

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Speaker 2: that is it knows what it did wrong, but it

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Speaker 2: did it anyway. Sime and Brown, Health Minister with us Next.

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Speaker 1: Z Questions, answers, facts, analysis, the Drive show you trust

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Speaker 1: for the full picture. Heather Dupasy on Drive with One

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Speaker 1: New Zealand, Let's get connected and news talks.

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Speaker 2: That'd be good afternoon. The government has given the green

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Speaker 2: light to the White Couple Medical School. The school is

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Speaker 2: set to have a focus on tree in GPS and

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Speaker 2: rural doctors. The government will put in lease money and

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Speaker 2: the university will put in more money than previously pitched.

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Speaker 2: The Health Minister is Simeon Brown High.

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Speaker 7: Simn Hello, Heather, how are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm very well, thank you. Now this is coming cheaper

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Speaker 2: than we originally thought. What did you cut out to

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Speaker 2: make it cheaper?

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Speaker 7: Well, it's gone through a rigorous business case process with

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Speaker 7: the university to make sure that we're getting value for

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Speaker 7: money and that as you go through those processes that's

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Speaker 7: what you achieve. But also we've now made the decision

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Speaker 7: based on that business case to press go, and the

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Speaker 7: university is part of that has agreed to put in

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Speaker 7: more funding alongside it's philanthropic donor base to support what

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Speaker 7: is I think a historical day for New Zealand, which

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Speaker 7: is that we will now have a third medical school

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Speaker 7: training doctors in this country.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and have you cut anything out to make it cheaper.

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Speaker 13: No.

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Speaker 7: Ultimately, this is delivering the same number of doctors per

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Speaker 7: one hundred and twenty doctors per year from when it opens.

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Speaker 7: So it's delivering the same number of doctors. It invests

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Speaker 7: in new clinical teaching space, it delivers the clinical placement

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Speaker 7: placements across the regional communities that it will serve. And

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Speaker 7: as I said, a historical day for New Zealand partnering

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Speaker 7: with the Waikato University and their donors to ensure that

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Speaker 7: New Zealand has a third medical school which secures medical

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Speaker 7: training for many years to come in this country.

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Speaker 2: Was it cheaper to do this or was it cheaper

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Speaker 2: to increase the number of students at Auckland and Otago

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Speaker 2: by the same number.

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Speaker 7: Well, firstly, we're doing both over the course of the government.

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Speaker 7: We are increasing the number of doctor training places by

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Speaker 7: one hundred across the University of Auckland and the University

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Speaker 7: of Otago. It is more cost effective on it in

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Speaker 7: terms of this is a four year program rather than

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Speaker 7: a six year program, so there's the cost per student

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Speaker 7: is less through this program because it's a post graduate

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Speaker 7: degree rather than a graduate degree which is through the

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Speaker 7: other universities. And fundamentally that's a critical point because this

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Speaker 7: is about attracting a broader range of people to become GPS.

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Speaker 7: These are people who could have graduated in another field.

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Speaker 7: They may be working as a nurse or a paramedic,

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Speaker 7: want to train an up skill to be a doctor.

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Speaker 7: This is about attracting people from those rural communities working

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Speaker 7: and potentially in healthcare and different role giving them the

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Speaker 7: opportunity to upskill become a doctor, train in place, in place,

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Speaker 7: mute to those communities where it hard to attract and

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Speaker 7: retain medical professionals. So this is a significant and historical

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Speaker 7: day for New Zealand and particularly for our royal communities.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's focus on GPS and rural doctors. Will

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Speaker 2: it have the ability to train further than that? Can

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Speaker 2: you go into a speciality like a surgeon.

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Speaker 7: Well, that's as doing your degree, that's what this is about.

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Speaker 7: Being becoming a doctor. After that, then of course there

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Speaker 7: are a range of specialties that become available, whether that's

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Speaker 7: general practice or other specialties. Those pathways will still exist,

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Speaker 7: but this is about identifying people who wish to train

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Speaker 7: with that specialty of being a gp of working in

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Speaker 7: rural health in mind, and ultimately encouraging them through the

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Speaker 7: placements to work in those communities so that we can

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Speaker 7: retain and attract people into those communities where it is

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Speaker 7: hard to staff when it comes to healthcare.

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Speaker 2: Thanks, Amine, appreciate it, sim and Brown Health Minister Heather

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Speaker 2: Dupers the al inflation has climbed ever so slightly. It's

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Speaker 2: coming at two point seven percent, which is actually dangerously

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Speaker 2: closed to the top end of the target bank you know,

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Speaker 2: set by the rbnzet of three percent, but it's coming

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Speaker 2: less than we expected at two point eight two point nine.

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Speaker 2: Mary Joe Vigara is a senior economist at KIWI Bank.

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Speaker 2: Mary Joe, Hi, how are you. I'm well, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Do you think this is temporary?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 18: I don't think there is really anything in today's report

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Speaker 18: to suggest that this kind of bout of high inflation

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Speaker 18: will be persisted. It's not like what we score during

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Speaker 18: twenty twenty. There's the economic undercurrent, so it's still very weak,

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Speaker 18: and you'll domestic inflation that's really trending down. So I

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Speaker 18: don't think this is going to be something that's persistent.

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Speaker 18: It should be a spike, which means goes up and

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Speaker 18: it goes back down.

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Speaker 2: Brilliant. So we're still going to get that oc we

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Speaker 2: next month.

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Speaker 18: I think it does. I think it opens the door

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Speaker 18: quite quite firmly to a rate cut in August. There's

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Speaker 18: just nothing in the data suggested this inflation that will

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Speaker 18: be persistent, that should flow through to inflation expectations, all

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Speaker 18: of that being contained. I think the economy needs that

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Speaker 18: rate relief, and this really does open the door for

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Speaker 18: a rate cut next month.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you guys have got August locked in? What

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Speaker 2: are the rate cuts? Are you guys picking?

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Speaker 18: We still think we need the cash rate to be

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Speaker 18: firmly in that stimulatary territory, so we think the cash

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Speaker 18: rates should go down to two and a half percent.

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Speaker 18: That's what we're forecasting. Again, we've had so much easing,

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Speaker 18: but all those interest rates sensitive sectors, construction, all of

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Speaker 18: them are still quite weak, which just points to the

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Speaker 18: fact that there needs to be even more relief. So

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Speaker 18: it's been a lot of easing done. We still expected

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Speaker 18: to turn around, but to actually secure and guarantee your recovery,

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Speaker 18: when you're a broad based economic recovery, we need more

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Speaker 18: stimulus from there's a bank.

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Speaker 2: And how confident are you that we are going to

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Speaker 2: have a good economic recovery underway before election next year.

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Speaker 18: It's just it's the way monetary policy works. You know,

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Speaker 18: there's a bank, say it's they've eased interest rates quite

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Speaker 18: a lot two hundred and twenty five basis point. That's

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Speaker 18: been you know, we've seen interest rates retail rates for

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Speaker 18: quite a lot. There's a wave, a big wave of

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Speaker 18: mortgage refixing coming and we should see household disposable incomes

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Speaker 18: increase and that should flow through to more spending. But

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Speaker 18: we just need a little bit more to actually secure

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Speaker 18: that recovery you've seen. You know, we're coiling out of

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Speaker 18: a really deep recession from last year, and just to

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Speaker 18: prevent any further unnecessary, you know, damage to the lave market,

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Speaker 18: we really need to have more stimilists come come through

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Speaker 18: some there is a bank marriage.

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Speaker 2: I thank you marriage Ovigara Kiwibank Senior economist Heather duplessy Ellen,

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Speaker 2: do you remember Federated Farmers later complaints with the Commerce

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Speaker 2: Commission complaining about the major banks and also I think

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Speaker 2: it was Rabobank, Yeah, and Rabobank for that net zero

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Speaker 2: banking stuff that they're getting up to, you know, the

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Speaker 2: tying themselves up in knots to try to get their

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Speaker 2: emissions down to god knows where unreasonable level and as

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Speaker 2: a result they're making it hard is harder, according to

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Speaker 2: Federated Farmers, for farmers to get loans and you know,

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Speaker 2: top up their loans and increase their borrowing and blah

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Speaker 2: blah blah. Anyway, they complained to the Commis Commission about this.

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Speaker 2: They said it was cartel like behavior. The Commerce Commission,

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Speaker 2: not surprisingly, has dismissed this claim. They say there's no

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Speaker 2: evidence is what's happened, as all the banks have signed

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Speaker 2: up to this net zero Alliance thing through the UN

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Speaker 2: and what the Commerce Commission has said is that the

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Speaker 2: alliance does not prescribe targets for the signatories. It gave

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Speaker 2: it came a framework for target secting. It gave some

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Speaker 2: some tools to assess the emissions and how to speed

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Speaker 2: up the lending towards low carbon activity. Blah blah blah.

871
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 2: So it sort of just directed the banks and how

872
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 2: to get there. But it's not cartel like. That is

873
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 2: not altogether a surprise. It was a long shot. What

874
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 2: Federated Farmers were up to. But I feel like Federated

875
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Speaker 2: Farmers may have achieved sort of what it was trying

876
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Speaker 2: to do in the first place, which was just to

877
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Speaker 2: kind of draw attention to the shenanigans that the banks

878
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,240
Speaker 2: are getting up to in the name of climate change,

879
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Speaker 2: and I think they managed to do that. Fourteen past five,

880
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 2: by the way, on that business, we were just talking

881
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 2: to Waikatul University Medical School with Simmy and Brown. We

882
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,720
Speaker 2: are going to talk to Nicolauleus, the Finance Minister about

883
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 2: this after six o'clock. And I'm actually not finished talking

884
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 2: about it right now, so we'll deal with it shortly.

885
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Speaker 2: It's seventeen past five right now.

886
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Speaker 13: Now.

887
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Speaker 2: The Commerce Commission is continuing its run of prosecuting retailers.

888
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 2: It's now filed criminal charges against Noel Leming and this

889
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Speaker 2: is over its price promise.

890
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 1: Now.

891
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 2: The price promise is the policy where if you find

892
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Speaker 2: a product cheaper somewhere else, Noel Leming will match the

893
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Speaker 2: price for you. John Duffy is the CEO of Consumer

894
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Speaker 2: New Zealand.

895
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Speaker 16: A John, Hey, here the hell's going.

896
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 2: I'm very well, thank you. Do you have any concerns

897
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 2: around the price promise?

898
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Speaker 3: Here?

899
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Speaker 16: I mean, it is a high risk strategy for retailers

900
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 16: because you know, there's there's lots that can come in

901
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 16: between your ability to offer the product and the customs

902
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 16: of ability to find out elsewhere, including online, including you know, offshore.

903
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 16: There's lots of there's lots of caveats that businesses need

904
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Speaker 16: to do when they're offering these promises. And if those caveats,

905
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Speaker 16: if that list of caveats gets too long, you know,

906
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Speaker 16: agencies like the Communist Commission can start getting concerned that actually,

907
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 16: maybe the headline offer that it's a price matching promise

908
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 16: might not be as true as you'd hope it would be.

909
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 2: That sounds really subjective, though, I mean there's no there's

910
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 2: no there's no objective way to dealt with the list

911
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 2: is too long, is there?

912
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Speaker 4: Yeah?

913
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 16: Maybe that that was a bad example. But if you

914
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 16: if you get good examples of caveats that that make

915
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 16: the headline advertising misleading. For example, if you are the

916
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 16: only stockist of a product, if you haven't exclusive deal

917
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 16: with a brand that can't be bought or a product

918
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 16: that can't be bought anywhere else, and you say we'll

919
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 16: match this price elsewhere, well that's pretty misleading because you

920
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 16: can't buy it elsewhere fair enough.

921
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 2: Do you ever see? I mean, they said that they

922
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Speaker 2: had about two hundred and fifty thousand people actually use

923
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Speaker 2: the price promise between twenty nineteen and twenty twenty one,

924
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 2: So if you count all three years, then what's that

925
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Speaker 2: about eighty thousand people a year? Is that reasonable?

926
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Speaker 16: Well, it kind of shows if the price profice is misleading.

927
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Speaker 16: It actually shows the scale of the problem. So if

928
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Speaker 16: they're putting that much volume through and they're misrepresenting the

929
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Speaker 16: terms here, well that's a huge number of people who

930
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Speaker 16: have been impacted by what could be misleading conduct. We'll

931
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Speaker 16: have to see how the case pans out to see

932
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Speaker 16: what the court decides, but we should also remember that

933
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Speaker 16: this is although I've noticed no oil Lemmings have come

934
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Speaker 16: out and made comments refuting the allegations, but they're really

935
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 16: only focusing on this price promise part of the Commission's prosecution,

936
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Speaker 16: which is only one part kind of three heads. They've

937
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 16: also been pinged for potentially misleading or allegedly misleading people

938
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Speaker 16: about their rights under the Consumer Guarantees Act, which is

939
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Speaker 16: really interesting when you look at our complaints data about

940
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Speaker 16: nol Lemming. The vast majority of those complaints relate to

941
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Speaker 16: products that have broken or are faulty. So if people

942
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,280
Speaker 16: are taking stuff back to the store and getting mislead

943
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 16: about their rights to a refund or a replacement, that's

944
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 16: very concerning.

945
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Speaker 2: Okay, John, thanks so much. John Duffy, Consumer CEO. Heather

946
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Speaker 2: my Son got his NCEA in English by doing a

947
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Speaker 2: barista course. That's the kind of nonsense that's going on

948
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Speaker 2: in NCAA anyway. The New Zealand initiatives are Michael Johnston,

949
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Speaker 2: I suspect is quite hot on the NCAA. He's going

950
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Speaker 2: to be a US and fifteen minutes five to twenty one.

951
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Speaker 1: Informed inside into today's issues. It's Heather duplicy elan drive

952
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: with one New Zealand let's get connected news talks that'd

953
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Speaker 1: be heither.

954
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 2: I had an interesting price match incident recently where one

955
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 2: retailer refused a price match offer because, upon checking the

956
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 2: position's website, the item was out of stock but could

957
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 2: be ordered overnight, and I chose to just order overnight.

958
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 2: I'll see five point twenty three. Now here's a prediction

959
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 2: for you. Watch that y Cuttle University Medical School cost blowout.

960
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 2: I reckon it's going to blow out. They're all the sides.

961
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 2: This thing is going to blow out. Even when the

962
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 2: y Cuttle University was itself putting in less money, which

963
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,439
Speaker 2: is one hundred million dollars, there were questions about whether

964
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 2: it could afford it because Wycuttle University's debt level is

965
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 2: just it's maxed out at the moment. So everybody looked

966
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 2: at it and went, are you actually gonna be able

967
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 2: to afford it?

968
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 5: Will?

969
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 2: Now it not only has to put in one hundred

970
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 2: million dollars, it has to put in one hundred and

971
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 2: fifty million dollars between itself and some philanthropists. It needs

972
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 2: to find Now, what do you think happens if, for

973
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 2: whatever reason it cannot quite find that money? Who do

974
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 2: you think is going to be called upon to fund

975
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 2: the gap? The long suffering taxpayer. That's a blowout for us. Now,

976
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 2: that's not even to mention that, not even mentioning the

977
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 2: chances that this thing costs much more than what they

978
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 2: say it it's going to cost. I'm very suspicious about

979
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:04,720
Speaker 2: how it is that a three hundred and eighty million

980
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 2: dollar project suddenly got cut down to two hundred and

981
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 2: thirty thirty million dollars without anything actually being cut out

982
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 2: of it. How did that happen? And even at the

983
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 2: higher estimate, which was three hundred and eighty million dollars,

984
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 2: I was already worried that that wasn't really going to

985
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 2: cover it, because there were warnings then that it was

986
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 2: going to blow out because the thing is being rushed.

987
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 2: Treasury said that whenever we rush things like the Dunedin

988
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 2: Hospital build, we end up with unexpected quote unexpected and

989
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 2: often urgent cost escalations. Now I am incredibly cynical about

990
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 2: the fact that the government has somehow managed to radically

991
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,760
Speaker 2: cut the costs of a scheme that was being questioned

992
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 2: for being too expensive and unnecessary, when we already have

993
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 2: two medical schools. And I worry very much that we

994
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 2: have been presented the best case scenario to get us

995
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 2: across the line on a National Party election promise that

996
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 2: actually wasn't stucking up anymore, and that once we've invested

997
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 2: in this and the shovels are in the ground and

998
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 2: the costs start to blow out, we go, well, we're

999
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 2: already pouring money into it. We simply will have to

1000
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 2: continue pouring money into it, which is how this always

1001
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:09,280
Speaker 2: goes so I hope that this comes in under budget,

1002
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 2: and if it does, I absolutely will apologize for what

1003
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 2: I'm saying right now, but I don't think it will

1004
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 2: forgever do for ce Ellen. Oh by the way, here, well,

1005
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 2: the boy racer thing over the weekend, So the boy racer.

1006
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 2: I got woken up by the boy racer thing over

1007
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 2: the weekend because there was lights and sirens. Normally the

1008
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 2: cops don't use the lights and sirens on the residential streets,

1009
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 2: but they had to do some lights and sirens in

1010
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 2: the middle of the night, and then they had the

1011
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 2: chop up going hard, and so I knew something was up. Anyway,

1012
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 2: I wish that I was the first one. I was

1013
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 2: hoping to God that nobody else knew what it happens,

1014
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 2: so I could come at hot off the press tell

1015
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 2: you what it was, But unfortunately the news has already broken.

1016
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 2: It was the boy racers. But what I do know

1017
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 2: is it's the very same people who did the live

1018
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 2: in thing, and I don't know if that's been reported.

1019
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 2: It was the same ones who decided to come and

1020
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 2: do the same the Auckland one as well. And the

1021
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 2: reason I know that because there was a booze bus

1022
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 2: near us yesterday, and my three year old loves the

1023
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 2: police with a passion that is unmatched in anything else.

1024
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 2: And so because he saw the police, we had to go.

1025
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 2: We had to wait for the booze bus to finish,

1026
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 2: and then we had to go and talk to the

1027
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 2: police and ask them what they're doing and all the stuff.

1028
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 2: And so then I said to the police officer, well,

1029
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 2: you guys were noisy last night. What was up? And

1030
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:25,320
Speaker 2: he said, yeah, it was It was the boy races

1031
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 2: going around And then Ants tells me who was it?

1032
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 13: Ants?

1033
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 2: Who's it online that was chatting up?

1034
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 19: Oh, the Pons and Bee Graylan Grapevine facebook group. Absolutely,

1035
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 19: if you live in the area, you just need to

1036
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 19: be in that Facebook.

1037
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 2: It's great. Well, now I need to So the ponds

1038
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 2: and be Graylan people were fizzing about the Eagle helicopter

1039
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 2: because they're not used to this kind of carry on

1040
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:42,720
Speaker 2: in their neck of the woods.

1041
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 19: I appreciate you're not exactly neighbors with the mobras, but

1042
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 19: I hope the helicopter didn't fly too far over that way.

1043
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 2: They would have upset a lot of it. Lord, can

1044
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 2: you imagine Can you imagine the ponds and be Graylan

1045
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 2: grape Vine is going to go off. When the mowbrays

1046
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 2: are flying around, it's going to be absolutely nuts. So anyway, listen,

1047
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 2: we got the huddle coming up shortly. I wasn't going

1048
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 2: to mention Sunny Koschal again, but I might because of

1049
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 2: an email. So we'll come back to that.

1050
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: On the iHeart app and in your car on your

1051
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: drive home, it's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one New

1052
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 1: Zealand let's get connected news talk sa'd be slurn enemy.

1053
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 2: Hey, Nikola Willis is with us after six and we've

1054
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 2: got the huddle standing by last week when I was

1055
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 2: doing Mike's show, it's nice to be back in the

1056
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 2: land of the living. I'll tell you that I was

1057
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 2: talking about what I've been talking about was AI and

1058
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:39,760
Speaker 2: the crawlers, right, because AI is ripping the night of Google,

1059
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 2: and now they're putting up these little toll booths to

1060
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 2: get the AI crawlers to pay for being on the websites,

1061
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 2: the only way really to monetize the thing. There is

1062
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 2: a little bit of a move that is here ongoing here,

1063
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:51,840
Speaker 2: and we've got cloud Fair who's going to be with

1064
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 2: us in about an hour's time to explain exactly how

1065
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 2: it works. It's twenty four away from.

1066
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 1: Six ever duplicy la.

1067
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Speaker 2: Now, as we've discussed, the government's not ruling out in

1068
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 2: the NCEEA altogether. The Education Minister has received a report.

1069
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 2: It says that schools and students are gaming the credit system.

1070
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 2: It needs substantial change. Here's Auckland Grammar Headmaster Tim O'Connor.

1071
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:15,240
Speaker 20: I think you change it to an examination based system.

1072
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 20: We make it pretty simple. Here's the thought. We assess

1073
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 20: it against the National curriculum because currently NCAA doesn't do that.

1074
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 2: Doctor Michael Johnston is a senior fellow at the New

1075
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 2: Zealand Initiative and with us.

1076
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 11: Hey Michael, hey, how are you doing.

1077
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 2: I'm very well, thank you. Do you think we've been

1078
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:31,800
Speaker 2: it all together?

1079
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 11: I wouldn't be opposed if that's the way it goes.

1080
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,399
Speaker 11: I think that NCAA has said a twenty year run

1081
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 11: and it's really failed to deliver on its promise and

1082
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 11: it is time to rethink.

1083
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 2: Do you think if we been it all together, which

1084
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 2: I think is a great idea, what do we replace

1085
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Speaker 2: it with?

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Speaker 11: That's a really good question. I mean I probably before

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Speaker 11: with Tim O'Connor a little bit in that I wouldn't

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Speaker 11: want us to go back to solely i'm limited exam

1089
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Speaker 11: at the end of the year, but I do think

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Speaker 11: that we should probably have one result per subject rather

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Speaker 11: than multiple standards, So we might have several assessments playing

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Speaker 11: into that, one of which would be a time limited

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Speaker 11: exam at the end of the year, and maybe some

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Speaker 11: other assessments along the way to assess those things that

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Speaker 11: are hard to assess in an exam, like what well.

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Speaker 11: I mean, say you're doing a science experiment and you

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Speaker 11: want to assess how students can conduct a science experiment

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Speaker 11: in the laboratory that you Oh, so the kind of

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Speaker 11: practical side of things.

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Speaker 2: I guess is this controversial? Because this to me, Michael,

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Speaker 2: in the first year that it was brought in, my

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00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 2: little brother was doing it, and I remember very clearly thinking, geez,

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00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 2: I dodgable at not having to do this this thing

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Speaker 2: as a joke. Is it controversial? If some of us

1105
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 2: have known for twenty plus years that it's nonsense, is

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Speaker 2: it controversial?

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Speaker 11: I mean ensure, I'm sure there we some who oppose it,

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Speaker 11: but I think a lot of teachers and schools have

1109
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Speaker 11: probably had a guts full of it to be honest,

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Speaker 11: it imposes a very heavy workload on teachers with a

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00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 11: lot of internal assessment marking and all kinds of logistical

1112
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 11: overheads and being moderated, and there's a lot that schools

1113
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 11: have to do. And you know, as Tim O'Connor said,

1114
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Speaker 11: I completely agree with them on this. You know, let's

1115
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Speaker 11: base it on a new knowledge rich curriculum that gives

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Speaker 11: a real steer as to what needs to be assessed

1117
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 11: because at the moment, really the achievement standards for NCAA

1118
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Speaker 11: do all the heavy lifting in terms of curriculum and

1119
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 11: the senior secondary and that's not how it should be.

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Speaker 11: We need a solid curriculum behind whatever we do.

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Speaker 2: Michael, would we design our own one again or would

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00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 2: we just simply go for ib or Cambridge?

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Speaker 11: Well, I would think that we want to have our

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Speaker 11: own I think, you know, all the other developed countries

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Speaker 11: in the world have their own qualification systems. And if

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Speaker 11: we've got our own New Zealand curriculum that really is

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Speaker 11: a solid curriculum, which you know, I believe that Minister

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Speaker 11: Stamford will deliver, then we should base our assessment system

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Speaker 11: on that.

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Speaker 2: Michael, thanks for your time. It's Michael Johnston New Zealand Initiative.

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Speaker 2: By the way, texts coming through on y Cuttle UNI

1132
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Speaker 2: hither you're such a killjoy. I love the idea of

1133
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,839
Speaker 2: a new Hamilton medical school. I'm not saying I don't

1134
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 2: love the idea. I'm just saying we've been sold a

1135
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 2: pup because the thing is going to blow out. Mark

1136
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Speaker 2: my words. Twenty one away.

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Speaker 1: From six the Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty

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Speaker 1: Unique Homes Uniquely for You.

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Speaker 2: Huddle this evening, Trishurson, Sharson, Willis pr and Joseph Gani

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Speaker 2: Child Fund CEO. Hi ladies, Hello, Hello Trish. Do you

1141
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 2: ditch or fix n CEA.

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Speaker 10: I would ditch NCA Having been a parent with two

1143
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,919
Speaker 10: kids that went through the system. I agree with what

1144
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Speaker 10: Michael was just saying there. To me, the fundamental point

1145
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:55,359
Speaker 10: is that parents should be able to understand what what

1146
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 10: the standard or the mark is going to be. And

1147
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Speaker 10: I remember as a first time INCAA parents sitting in

1148
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 10: a talk about NCA and feeling completely overwhelmed because it's

1149
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 10: not just what happens every year, but then there's all

1150
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 10: this discussion about then how that ladders up and then

1151
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 10: you're off to university.

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Speaker 2: What I do.

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Speaker 10: Think is useful to retain, and I think Michael touched

1154
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 10: on it as well, is the fact that in the

1155
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,839
Speaker 10: real world you don't study and then sit a three

1156
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 10: hour exam. So the idea for kids of learning to

1157
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Speaker 10: manage themselves and their work through the year doing assessments.

1158
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 10: That's actually the way the world works. And I think

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Speaker 10: that that's really.

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Speaker 2: Do that already, Trisure. I remember having to do that.

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Speaker 2: I remember having to manage my workload in class and

1162
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Speaker 2: after school in order to stay on top of it

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Speaker 2: in order to never fall behind. Right, So you are

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Speaker 2: doing that in the traditional schooling sense.

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Speaker 10: Well that's right, except that don't forget in the old way,

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Speaker 10: say school, see what happened is you did all of that,

1167
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Speaker 10: but then it all came down to one three hour

1168
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Speaker 10: exam at the end of the year, and there some

1169
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Speaker 10: issues for some kids who just that the exam thing

1170
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Speaker 10: just doesn't freak out. So I think the point is

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Speaker 10: it's got to be based on the kind of curriculum

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Speaker 10: that is delivering excellence in our kids, in excellence in education.

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Speaker 10: I've got high confidence in Erica Stanford to be able

1174
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Speaker 10: to deliver that all of who work today has been

1175
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,839
Speaker 10: based on deep policy work. So I think it's a

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00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 10: really good thing. I think it will be a relief

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Speaker 10: for parents, and it's a big bit of the education

1178
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Speaker 10: puzzle that we've got to figure out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think, Jersey?

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean we've all lost confidence in the NCA system,

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Speaker 12: whether it's parents, and you're absolutely right, Trish. I mean

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Speaker 12: I've had three kids go through it. I still don't

1183
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Speaker 12: understand it. My kids are doing, at one point in history,

1184
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 12: doing civil rights movement in America, Vietnam, and then randomly

1185
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 12: the Roman Empire, so you kind of go, how is

1186
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Speaker 12: this giving them a view of history in the world.

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Speaker 12: I don't know, So it feels like it's all a

1188
00:55:56,440 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 12: bit too subjective parents. And when parents don't understand, you've

1189
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 12: got a problem, right, And then you've got wealthy parents

1190
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 12: who are sending their kids to private schools doing the

1191
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Speaker 12: baccalaureate and the Cambridge exams. So then you've got everybody

1192
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Speaker 12: else underneath that stuck with a system that clearly parents

1193
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 12: don't think work. And I think Michael and your interview

1194
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 12: before is right that teachers are sick of this too,

1195
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Speaker 12: because they've got so much marking to do. But I

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Speaker 12: but I do also think you've got a balance.

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Speaker 4: I mean, there's a.

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Speaker 12: Reason why in CEA first came about, and it was

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Speaker 12: the concern that the work head's been branded as failures

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Speaker 12: because they didn't pass exams.

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Speaker 13: And I was one of those kids.

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Speaker 12: I hated exams, and so I do think you need

1203
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:41,800
Speaker 12: to have, you know, a mixture of exams and assessments

1204
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,240
Speaker 12: that work. But it's just gone too far the other way,

1205
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Speaker 12: where you know you're basically assessing I mean some of

1206
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 12: the stuff. God, I mean not just baristas, but you

1207
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 12: know you can get NCAA credits for driving. For plucking

1208
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 12: possums was one I word opera. I don't you pluck

1209
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 12: a possum, but skinner possum probably operating a chain saw,

1210
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 12: you know, providing first aid courses, all of which are

1211
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 12: really really good, but they shouldn't be part of an

1212
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:11,320
Speaker 12: education system that's either preparing you for a trade or university.

1213
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Speaker 2: So right, do you feel sorry Trish for this guy

1214
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 2: caught out at the Coldplay concert? Because it blows my

1215
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 2: mind that there are people having this discussion today.

1216
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 10: I don't I think that here's what is this hesitation?

1217
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 10: You know here is the key life lesson, do not

1218
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 10: fish off the company wharf.

1219
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 2: Yes, so it wasn't It wasn't.

1220
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 10: The snog on the kid on camera.

1221
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 2: That was the issue.

1222
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Speaker 10: It was the fact that these were two senior executives

1223
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 10: who had both but they were fishing off the company

1224
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 10: wharf and that has ended in a global embarrassment, not

1225
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 10: just for them and their fano, but for.

1226
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 2: But is that the problem is that the hold.

1227
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Speaker 12: On a minute, yes, I see. If you can't have

1228
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 12: a relationship with your boss and fish off the company wolf,

1229
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Speaker 12: I wouldn't be married.

1230
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 13: Now yeah I married.

1231
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 2: He was in there, so exactly right. So you've got

1232
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:12,919
Speaker 2: to be able to fish off the company wolf.

1233
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 12: Sometimes it's the only choices you got.

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00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 10: I think you guys were fishing off the company wolf

1235
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 10: before there were a lot of choppy waters around this stuff.

1236
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Speaker 2: And if you look at it, is that the problem

1237
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 2: that they were fishing off the company wolf when they

1238
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 2: actually one of them was married, that's the point.

1239
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 12: Well, well one of them lived on another boat.

1240
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 10: Well the problem is one of them had a foot

1241
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 10: in two waka. But that was the problem. But that

1242
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 10: is but that is the problem. It started with the

1243
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 10: fishing off the company wolf and then it was a

1244
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 10: very untidy back end, and then it ends up a

1245
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 10: global thing.

1246
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Speaker 2: I thought, actually.

1247
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:51,919
Speaker 10: Chris Martin's reaction to it was absolutely fantastic to warn

1248
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 10: people at upcoming you know, concerts. But also even if

1249
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 10: you live in a massive city and you're sneaking out

1250
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 10: on a date, you wouldn't go to somewhere like a

1251
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 10: concert because you are bound to bump into people.

1252
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 2: Now, no, no, no, no, Josie stop. I can hear you.

1253
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 2: I hear you. You getting ready for another burst of

1254
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 2: this sec a break, We'll come back and do it.

1255
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 2: Quarter two The Huddle.

1256
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Speaker 1: With New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the Ones for Unmatched Results.

1257
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 2: JOSEPEGANI wanted to say something, gone, Josie.

1258
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 12: I did, well, look astronomer at this company that's fired

1259
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 12: the cheating husband. They make do AI and collect data

1260
00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 12: and so on. I struggle to see how having an

1261
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 12: extra marital affair will stop this guy doing his.

1262
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 2: Job well as the CEO.

1263
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 12: So there're being a little bit pompous. I mean, they

1264
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 12: put out this statement going our values and our culture.

1265
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 12: You know, the standard was not met. We're terribly disappointed.

1266
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 12: I mean They're not the Catholic Church, for goodness sake,

1267
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 12: so I do think it's a little bit pompous. The

1268
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 12: biggest mistake that this guy made was dropping down like

1269
00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 12: a sack of potatoes. If he just stood there and

1270
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 12: does it, who doesn't cuddle their HR executives? Yes, you

1271
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:06,919
Speaker 12: know it's if he hadn't done that. And the other

1272
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 12: thing I wanted to say was what a perfect time

1273
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 12: for Trump to release the Epstein files. I mean, he

1274
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 12: really did miss a go here. He should put it

1275
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 12: out over the weekend. All we're talking about is the

1276
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 12: couple at the could play.

1277
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Speaker 2: Around the world unbelievable. Okay, do you think, Trish, do

1278
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 2: you feel like me that the Wycuttle Medical School is

1279
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:23,800
Speaker 2: going to blow out?

1280
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 10: The I well show me a project like this that

1281
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 10: doesn't blow out. Having said that, I am I am

1282
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 10: really getting a grumpy about the fact that these always do,

1283
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 10: and I think there has got to be a way

1284
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 10: to properly cost see things. The one bit of comfort

1285
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 10: I do take is that in between this being a

1286
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 10: election policy headline for National, David Seymour from ACT has.

1287
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 2: Pushed for this to be put through a.

1288
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 10: Business case and that's how we've got to the lower

1289
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 10: tax payer put today.

1290
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 2: But again which I call bs on, Come on, trash.

1291
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 2: You've been around long enough. If it's a three hundred

1292
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 2: and eighty million dollar project and it's it's been scaled

1293
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 2: back to two thirty million and nothing's been cut out,

1294
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 2: you know this is a pr exercise, isn't it. This

1295
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 2: thing is going to blow out because they've gone for

1296
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 2: a lower cost.

1297
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 10: Well, as I say, as I say, I have never

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Speaker 10: seen one of these projects come in under I mean,

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Speaker 10: but at least this has now gone through a business case.

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Speaker 2: The one thing that.

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Speaker 10: I will say about this is that we are crying

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Speaker 10: out for GPS, and if this is a way to

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Speaker 10: get us more GPS, then that is a good thing. Yes,

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Speaker 10: and we may have to look a little bit through

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Speaker 10: the cost. One of the things I was going to say, though,

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Speaker 10: is there was an excellent report from a doctor Provani

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Speaker 10: Wood that came out in March. She wrote for the

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Speaker 10: New Zealand Initiative and if anyone wants to look at

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Speaker 10: why we need to get our GP, our primary care

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Speaker 10: back up to scratch, that report will tell you all

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Speaker 10: about it because it saves us so much more.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, what do you think Josie.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean, you're right, it will blow out. Maybe

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Speaker 12: maybe they've cut the costs by I don't know, not

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Speaker 12: doing the hair straighteners and the coffee machines and god

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Speaker 12: knows what else, you know, the stuff that seems to

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Speaker 12: add up. And the problem with it is that the

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Speaker 12: whole and the Order to General dinged it for bad process.

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Speaker 12: So since the very beginning it's had had a bit

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Speaker 12: of a smell around it. Like first of all, you

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Speaker 12: had the Vice Chancellor Neil Quigley sort of sending an

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Speaker 12: email saying here's a present for the future National government.

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Speaker 12: Then they started looking for building contractors before it had

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Speaker 12: gone to Cabinet and been signed off and so on.

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Speaker 12: And the Order to General I think was really criticizing

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Speaker 12: the procurement process and wasn't a competitive tender process. Stephen

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Speaker 12: Joyce got the job of lobbying the government. Before him,

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Speaker 12: it was Neil Jones, so they're gone left to right

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Speaker 12: depending on who's in government. But I actually agree with you, Trisha,

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Speaker 12: that all of that aside, I still think it's a

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Speaker 12: good thing that we have a third medical school in

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Speaker 12: a rural area that can attract rural potential. Rural medical

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Speaker 12: practitioners and GPS from that area in a way that

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Speaker 12: they might actually stay there. So I think this, you know,

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Speaker 12: I think there's a little bit of you know, forget

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Speaker 12: the smelling salts. Yes, it's been a bad process, but

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Speaker 12: if it's got a business case.

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Speaker 13: Now I'd like to see it.

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Speaker 4: We do it.

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Speaker 12: It is actually a good thing that we have a

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Speaker 12: third medical school, because my god, we need more GPS.

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Speaker 2: Guys. Yes, just very quickly.

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Speaker 10: One of the things that Pravani would actually said though,

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Speaker 10: and this may may help with this, is that as

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Speaker 10: people go through medical school, the GP option is seen

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Speaker 10: as kind of, oh, if you're a bright medical student,

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Speaker 10: you wouldn't take the GP option. And I think that

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Speaker 10: maybe having the focus in the school that might help

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Speaker 10: turn that.

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Speaker 2: Around, hopefully, hopefully. Guys, it's good to talk to you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much for herson, Jason Willis, p R

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Speaker 2: and Joe Speganey of Child Funded Stay Away from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on my Art Radio powered by News Talk Z'B.

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Speaker 2: We'll have Nicko La Willis with US Finance Minister after

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Speaker 2: six o'clock. I'm interested in talking to her obviously, about

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Speaker 2: the Wycutle University thing. But also I don't know if

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Speaker 2: you've been keeping abreast of this, but late last week

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Speaker 2: it was a bit of an indictment on the old

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Speaker 2: Provincial Growth Fund it's now called the Crown Regional Holdings

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Speaker 2: and they've been handing out the loans and stuff. Fifty

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Speaker 2: four percent of them, as at June last year, are

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Speaker 2: at risk serious risk of impairmental default, which doesn't sound

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Speaker 2: very good at all. So we'll talk to her about

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Speaker 2: that now, five away from six. So I wasn't going

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Speaker 2: to talk about Sonny koscial because I kind of had

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Speaker 2: I had my say on it, and I was complaining

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Speaker 2: about it last week when I was doing Mike's show.

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Speaker 2: And I wasn't complaining about Sonny Coacialer because I don't

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Speaker 2: like his ideas, because I don't I love his ideas.

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Speaker 2: I love his ideas. I love what he's coming up with,

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Speaker 2: but I kind of bristle at the fact that we're

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Speaker 2: paying for his ideas when he was actually giving them

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Speaker 2: to us for free, because if we do his ideas,

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Speaker 2: then his businesses stand to benefit. So he was like,

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Speaker 2: please do these things for my business, and then we

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Speaker 2: went you know, we're going to pay you for those

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Speaker 2: ideas that you're giving us for free anyway. So I

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Speaker 2: had an email today from Paul Gold's Myth's office saying, listen,

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Speaker 2: just want to clarify some numbers, and I thought, okay,

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Speaker 2: let's have a look at it. So the numbers previously

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Speaker 2: were not correct because the numbers between this is what

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Speaker 2: Sunny was being paid between the first of March and

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Speaker 2: the tenth of June. It was ninety five thousand dollars,

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Speaker 2: and that meant that he was working every single day

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Speaker 2: that the Sun had given us for one hundred and

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Speaker 2: two days, right, And they said no, no, no, that's not

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Speaker 2: the case. He only got paid eighty two thousand dollars

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Speaker 2: and he didn't work every single one of the one

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Speaker 2: hundred and two days. He only worked eighty nine days.

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Speaker 2: That's what he claimed for. So I counted them up.

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Speaker 2: That means that Sunny Koshal worked every weekday. He worked

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Speaker 2: every Saturday, he worked Easter Friday, Easter Monday, and zach

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Speaker 2: Day King's Birthday, and two Sundays as well, at at

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Speaker 2: rate of nine hundred and twenty dollars per day. Total

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Speaker 2: eighty one thousand, eight hundred and eighty. That's pretty good.

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Speaker 2: Coins I mean, was that three months? Did you earn

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Speaker 2: eighty one thousand, eight hundred and eighty for three months

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Speaker 2: or did you just earn that for the entire year. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: I don't love this, as I say, because how he

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Speaker 2: was giving it to us for free, for free, and

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Speaker 2: then instead what we gave him is just fantastic, like

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Speaker 2: a full year's pay in three months. Anyway, we'll talk

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Speaker 2: to Nicola about that. I've got a little bit of

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Speaker 2: good news for you. If you're sitting here and you're

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Speaker 2: kind of rounding up, you're coming up to that pension age,

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Speaker 2: you're about to turn sixty five. You think, can I

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Speaker 2: keep going? Yes you can. The world's oldest president is

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Speaker 2: running again, Paul ber He's been ruling Cameroon since the

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Speaker 2: early nineteen eighties. He's ninety two, So no excuses, keep going, Nicola,

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Speaker 2: Willstens of us. Next news Talk ZEDV.

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Speaker 21: SUSI ok home.

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Speaker 1: We're Business meets Insight the Business Hour with Heather Duplessy

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Speaker 1: Ellen and Mayors, Insurance and investments, Grow your wealth, Protect

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Speaker 1: your future news talk, said b.

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Speaker 2: Even in coming up the next hour, Cloud there is

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Speaker 2: stopping AI from scraping websites. We're going to have a

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Speaker 2: chat to them about that. Shane Solly with his take

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Speaker 2: on the on the inflation print today and i'll give

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Speaker 2: you my review of Just Sinder's book Seven Past Sex

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Speaker 2: And with us now is Nichola Willis, the Finance Minister. Evening, Nicola,

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Speaker 2: good evening, Welcome back.

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Speaker 13: I had to go two weeks without talking about Wilen

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Speaker 13: Carpett's and.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't going to raise it. But now that you've

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Speaker 2: raised it, have you got us the number?

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Speaker 13: No? But what I can tell you is we're delivering

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Speaker 13: better value for the taxpayer all round.

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Speaker 2: Okay, wonderful. Now do you reckon that this inflation spike

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Speaker 2: is temporary?

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Speaker 13: Well, that's what the Reserve Bank and the people advise

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Speaker 13: me think. They think there could continue to be upward

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Speaker 13: inflation pressure into the next quarter, but they're looking through

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Speaker 13: it in the medium term. They're still seeing capacity in

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Speaker 13: the economy, which gives them confidence that this is going

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Speaker 13: to be a long run thing.

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Speaker 2: How do you write the chances that this economy is

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Speaker 2: humming when we go to the polls next year.

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Speaker 13: I think it will be in much better shape when

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Speaker 13: we go to the polls next year. And that's based

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Speaker 13: on all of the forecasts I see, which tell me

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Speaker 13: that growth is going to be picking up on a

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Speaker 13: per capita basis in real terms, that inflation will be

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Speaker 13: under control, that jobs will be being created, and based

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Speaker 13: on the fact that between now and the next election,

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Speaker 13: this government's going to be doing a lot to drive.

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Speaker 2: Growth, because Jesus, it's got to be worrying you, right,

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Speaker 2: it's going to be a close run thing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 13: Look, I think we've had a really challenging quarter. You know,

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Speaker 13: the six months September through March. We know that the

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Speaker 13: economy was growing fast, faster than many countries around the world,

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Speaker 13: faster than one is being forecast the first three months

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Speaker 13: of this year, four times as fast as Australia. But

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Speaker 13: come April, come Liberation Day, I think a lot of

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Speaker 13: New Zealand firms and households battened down the hatchets. They

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Speaker 13: saw that global uncertainty and they went back into the

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Speaker 13: defensive position. Now, my view is that actually, looking ahead,

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Speaker 13: New Zealand has been less affected by those tariff wars

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Speaker 13: than many other countries, and we have every reason to

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Speaker 13: feel confident about our growth prospects. But we're going to

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Speaker 13: get that confidence back when need businesses feeling confident.

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Speaker 2: On the White Cuttle Medical School. Can you guarantee that

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Speaker 2: the cost is not going to blow out on this thing?

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Speaker 13: Well, the Crowns made it clear we're contributing eighty million

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Speaker 13: in capital cost. Wy Cato University have said that they

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Speaker 13: will stump up the rest. The cost has been brought

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Speaker 13: down from the original three hundred and eighty million to

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Speaker 13: two hundred and thirty million, and Wykuttle have committed that

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Speaker 13: they'll be stumping up one hundred and fifty of that.

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Speaker 13: So that's up to them.

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Speaker 2: And can you guarantee that the eighty three million from

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Speaker 2: the government is all that we will put in?

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Speaker 13: Well, that's what the business case is based on. And

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Speaker 13: I think the other side of this you need to

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Speaker 13: remember is that these students are there for four years

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Speaker 13: rather than the six years that is traditionally the case

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Speaker 13: at Otago in Auckland. So overall, that ongoing cost of

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Speaker 13: creating these doctors is lower because there's a fewer years

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Speaker 13: that they're studying.

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Speaker 2: If Wykattle University and philanthropists cannot find the one fifty million,

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Speaker 2: can you guarantee that we're not going to bridge the

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Speaker 2: gap as taxpayers.

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Speaker 13: Well, that the commitment that Waikato has made to us

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Speaker 13: is that they will stump up that money. That is

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Speaker 13: the basis on which this is going for everything. Here

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Speaker 13: am no, I'm not keeping my options open.

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Speaker 2: Guarantee it's not going to blow out, and guarantee we

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Speaker 2: aren't going to stump up what they what they are short.

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Speaker 13: On, Well, I'm guaranteeing you that the entire business case

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Speaker 13: is based on that eighty million dollar Crown contribution and

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Speaker 13: that Waikato University have made undertakings that they will be

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Speaker 13: funding the rest and the good news they expect to

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Speaker 13: get construction under way later this year. That's exciting for white.

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Speaker 2: Cattle, Yeah right now, Yeah, and I am excited for them.

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Speaker 2: But Nikola, mark my words, this is going to blow

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Speaker 2: out and the estimates you've given us are never going

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Speaker 2: to stand, are they.

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Speaker 13: Well, they have been through a very thorough business case process.

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Speaker 13: Every eye was picked out of it to see what

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Speaker 13: was involved in those costs and what it looked like.

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Speaker 13: And we were very clear with Waikato University that if

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Speaker 13: they were saying they were going to contribute a significant

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Speaker 13: portion of the funds, then they needed to make that reel.

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Speaker 13: They I understand have had undertakings from philanthropists and others

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Speaker 13: or helping them make that contribution, but ultimately they really

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Speaker 13: want this thing to happen. That Crown said, this is

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Speaker 13: how much we'll punt up, and of course we will

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Speaker 13: fund the ongoing costs of those future students, but it's

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Speaker 13: up to them to deliver.

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Speaker 2: If they come to you and they say we haven't

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01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:55,800
Speaker 2: got the money, what are you going to say to them?

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Speaker 13: I'm going to say, well, you said you would, so

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01:11:58,120 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 13: you're in trouble now and you're going to have to

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Speaker 13: find the money.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Look, why are you guys paying Sonny Kocial for

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01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:06,440
Speaker 2: ideas that he was giving you for free?

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Speaker 13: Oh look he's he's done a great job, so he's.

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Speaker 2: There was no disputing, no disputing. But but he was

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Speaker 2: giving you these ideas for free, Nichola, because they benefit

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01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:19,719
Speaker 2: his business. Why did you then offer to pay for them?

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Speaker 13: Well, let's be clear, it's not you the taxpayer that

1523
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:26,160
Speaker 13: is paying him. He is being paid out of the

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01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:30,440
Speaker 13: proceeds of crime Fund, which would have are literally paying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but what's that there's an opportunity cost That money

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01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:34,120
Speaker 2: would have been used for something else.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, it would have been used on crime prevention activities

1528
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:40,320
Speaker 13: in the community, and I'd say that Sonny Kocial has

1529
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 13: made a very significant contribution to crime prevention and our community.

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01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 22: But I just.

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01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:49,760
Speaker 2: We're broke, right, We're broke, and that money could be

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01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:52,240
Speaker 2: used for a very urgent problem. So why are you

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01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:54,840
Speaker 2: handing it out to somebody who has given you this helpful.

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Speaker 13: Free Because the assessment we made was that retail crime

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01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:01,000
Speaker 13: had got so out of control under the last government

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01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:04,080
Speaker 13: that we needed people who were actually at the front

1537
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:07,839
Speaker 13: line who understood what that looked like giving us advice

1538
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:09,800
Speaker 13: on what needed to change. Now, we could have gone

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01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:12,320
Speaker 13: to all of our policy advisors in the Ministry of

1540
01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:14,280
Speaker 13: Justice here in Wellington and I'm sure they would have

1541
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 13: wrung their hands and come up with some delightful over human.

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01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:21,120
Speaker 2: Given you these ideas for free, and continued to give

1543
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:23,360
Speaker 2: give you these ideas whether whether you paid them or not.

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01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 13: Yeah, well, I think you're being unfair because this is

1545
01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:28,479
Speaker 13: a group of people that he has been charing that

1546
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:32,040
Speaker 13: represent a range of interests from the retail sector and

1547
01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:34,599
Speaker 13: he's brought them together where they've been able to make

1548
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:37,560
Speaker 13: joint recommendations to government, but have given us the confidence

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01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:40,840
Speaker 13: that we're acting on the interests of the people affected

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01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:43,920
Speaker 13: by these issues. And actually, I think too much of

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01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:47,640
Speaker 13: government is done by advice provided by people who are

1552
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:49,559
Speaker 13: not affected by the issues, who are sitting here in

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01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 13: Wellington in their offices, who have a theoretical idea. Well, actually,

1554
01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:56,800
Speaker 13: people who are being affected should be listened to, and

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01:13:56,880 --> 01:13:59,040
Speaker 13: this forum has provided us a way to do that.

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Speaker 2: Hey, it's a school comes to you and says we're

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01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 2: fed up with the open plan. We want to go

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01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:05,439
Speaker 2: back to single cells. Do you pay to put the

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01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:06,679
Speaker 2: walls back up or do they.

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Speaker 13: Look I have to ask Erica Stanford about that. What

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01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 13: we've said is, look, we're not going to be doing

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Speaker 13: any more of those barns in future. We don't think

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01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 13: they stack up, and we think single cell is better. Certainly,

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Speaker 13: I've had four kids through the school system, still going

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01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:25,160
Speaker 13: through the school system, and I've experienced both, and I'd

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01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:29,639
Speaker 13: go single cell every single time. In some cases, schools

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01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:32,080
Speaker 13: do have the ability to use the spaces they already

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01:14:32,120 --> 01:14:34,320
Speaker 13: have and divide them up more clearly and take more

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Speaker 13: of a single cell approach. And I expect many boards

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Speaker 13: of Trustees are going to move in that direction in

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Speaker 13: the coming years.

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Speaker 2: Now, are we still handing out cash or handing out

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01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:44,960
Speaker 2: loans through Crown Regional Holdings.

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01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:50,360
Speaker 13: Crown Regional Holdings holds the loans both from the old

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Speaker 13: Provincial Growth Fund which we have stopped, also the North

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01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:56,719
Speaker 13: Island Weather Event loans which were made to a number

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Speaker 13: of horticulturalists following cyclone Gabriel so that they could get

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Speaker 13: their businesses up and running, which has been pretty successful,

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01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 13: you know, Apple and Pierre had a record year. And

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Speaker 13: then we have the Regional Infrastructure Fund which has been

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01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 13: set up quite differently from the Provincial Growth Fund, and

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Speaker 13: that does continue to provide some loans to some projects

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Speaker 13: and they are managed through this entity. But it's important

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Speaker 13: to note that we in December agreed to implement a

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Speaker 13: very detailed monitoring and evaluation framework for that fund, and

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Speaker 13: that follows feedback from the Officer of the Order to

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Speaker 13: general lessons learned from the province.

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Speaker 2: So are you confident that your Regional Growth Fund is

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Speaker 2: not going to fall into the same trap as the

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Speaker 2: Provincial Growth Fund, which is like fifty percent of its

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Speaker 2: loans are at risk of impairment.

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Speaker 13: Well, we are being much stricter about what we lend to,

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Speaker 13: so it's a very focused fund. We've been very much

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01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:53,839
Speaker 13: focused on infrastructure. So in particular, we've been helping councils

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01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:57,720
Speaker 13: build stock banks around the country and flood protection mechanisms.

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Speaker 13: We've been investing in water storage projects where we know

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Speaker 13: that getting that water storage project up and running means

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Speaker 13: that many farmers in a region will be more productive

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Speaker 13: and ultimately will be able to pay for those facilities themselves.

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Speaker 13: And so in general we've been very keyful about the

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Speaker 13: way that we invest in there's a group of ministers

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Speaker 13: involved in that good stuff.

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Speaker 2: Hey, it's very good to talk to you. Thank you

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Speaker 2: so much for your time. That is Nikola Willis, Finance Minister,

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Speaker 2: sixteen past six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duper see allan Drive full show podcast

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Speaker 1: on my Heart Radio empowered by news dog Zebbi.

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Speaker 2: Hither, even if there is a fifty million dollar over

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01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:37,719
Speaker 2: run on Waykuttle Medical School, it's still one hundred million

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01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:40,320
Speaker 2: dollars cheaper than the original price. So that's value compared

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Speaker 2: to the original price. Trever. That's one way of looking

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01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:43,840
Speaker 2: at it as a very positive way of looking at it.

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01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:45,880
Speaker 2: I'm looking at it from a slightly different perspective, which

1614
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:48,040
Speaker 2: is just be honest with us to get it across

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01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:49,840
Speaker 2: the line. I don't think there's honesty going on here.

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01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:51,560
Speaker 2: I think we've gone for the lowest possible. What I

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01:16:51,640 --> 01:16:54,719
Speaker 2: think is judging by Okay, first of all, what Nicholas

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01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:57,519
Speaker 2: said is judging by what Nicholas said is number one.

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01:16:57,880 --> 01:17:00,960
Speaker 2: If Wykuttle University comes looking for to bridge the gap,

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01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:02,599
Speaker 2: if they fall short, they're not going to get it.

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01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:05,479
Speaker 2: But she's definitely keeping the options open for a roverrun,

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01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:09,200
Speaker 2: and there will be an overrun because because think about

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01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:11,080
Speaker 2: it like this, right, Let's say you go and get

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01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:14,400
Speaker 2: a quote for your deck and the first quote is

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01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:17,360
Speaker 2: thirty eight thousand dollars. You look at it and you go, hmm,

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01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:20,160
Speaker 2: a bit pricey. Yeah, I don't think I can afford it.

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01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:21,880
Speaker 2: They go away, they come back and they go twenty

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Speaker 2: three thousand dollars. But you know there's room for you know,

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01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:28,000
Speaker 2: we may have to just charge you of something. You'd

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01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:30,760
Speaker 2: be a fool if you go, okay, twenty three thousand, cool, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's what it's gonna cost. They just quoted you thirty eight.

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01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:35,599
Speaker 2: So if you think you're just gonna pay twenty three.

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01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:37,400
Speaker 2: You're not. They're going to charge you twenty three, get

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01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:39,080
Speaker 2: you across the line, and then they're gonna start pumping

1635
01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:40,880
Speaker 2: up the various things that they hadn't included in the

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01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:43,519
Speaker 2: That's what's going on here, so one hundred percent we're

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01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:45,960
Speaker 2: gonna have a cost overrun. Anyway, we're going to talk

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Speaker 2: to Shane Solly very shortly. I'm gonna give us his

1639
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:51,280
Speaker 2: thoughts on what's happened with inflation. Just a quick word

1640
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:55,560
Speaker 2: of warning to you Facebook marketplace if someone insists on

1641
01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:58,960
Speaker 2: paying in cash, wash out, because police have just uncovered

1642
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:03,120
Speaker 2: a scam and some there was multiple reports that people

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01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:05,559
Speaker 2: were turning up with counterfeit cash, taking the thing and

1644
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:07,599
Speaker 2: then leaving you with the dodgy dollars. So they bust

1645
01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:09,439
Speaker 2: at the house and Autart and they found six thousand

1646
01:18:09,439 --> 01:18:11,800
Speaker 2: dollars in counterfeit cash, and they found the equipment to

1647
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:14,720
Speaker 2: make the counterfeit cash. So make them pay into your

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01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:16,200
Speaker 2: bank account. Six twenty one.

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Speaker 1: Approaching the numbers and getting the results. It's Heather dupice

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Speaker 1: Elan with the Business Hour and mass Insurance and investments,

1651
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Speaker 1: Grow your wealth, protect your future, use dogs.

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Speaker 2: That'd be six twenty three. And with us now we

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01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:33,880
Speaker 2: have Shane Soley of Harbor Asset Management evening Shane, Hello,

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01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:35,680
Speaker 2: he so, what do you reckon with the inflation? We

1655
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:38,280
Speaker 2: got that OCR cut locked in for next month.

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Speaker 15: Mmm.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look at the data out today certainly puts a

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01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:45,559
Speaker 3: bit of pressure back on reserve bank rate cut in August.

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01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:47,920
Speaker 3: I think when we look at the central bankers around

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Speaker 3: the world, they're all watching to see what tariff it's

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01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:52,559
Speaker 3: due to inflation, so they're all a bit wary about

1662
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:54,800
Speaker 3: cutting and advance there. But you know, this inflation data

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01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:56,759
Speaker 3: were seeing here in your y on is the only

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01:18:56,760 --> 01:19:00,280
Speaker 3: putting an official rate cut back on the table for Augus,

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01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:02,760
Speaker 3: So I think we should be thinking about that. In fact,

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01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:05,559
Speaker 3: the market today moved to now pricing in an eighty

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01:19:05,560 --> 01:19:08,240
Speaker 3: five percent chance of a cut and August. That was

1668
01:19:08,280 --> 01:19:11,600
Speaker 3: up from seventy percent four years today's data change, and

1669
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:14,880
Speaker 3: look markets liked it. We saw two years what breaks

1670
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:16,960
Speaker 3: many people. That's used by a lot of banks to

1671
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:20,160
Speaker 3: sit interest rates. They fell by zero point six percent,

1672
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 3: not a lot, I know, but it's down to three

1673
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:25,519
Speaker 3: fifteen and the New Zealand Shire market was up almost

1674
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:27,800
Speaker 3: zero point six percent today and that was led up

1675
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:30,519
Speaker 3: by some of our heavyweights like Fishing, Parka health Care,

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01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:33,559
Speaker 3: auk An Airport A two. So yeah, generally up more

1677
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:35,479
Speaker 3: positive tone and capital markets.

1678
01:19:35,560 --> 01:19:38,519
Speaker 2: Okay, what do you think about that update from Contact Energy?

1679
01:19:39,880 --> 01:19:42,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Contact Energy got a good solid operating update

1680
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:46,120
Speaker 3: for the June month and importantly they're talking about better hydrology,

1681
01:19:46,240 --> 01:19:49,000
Speaker 3: so more more the rain that we've all been having

1682
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:51,320
Speaker 3: to deal with is found under the dams and it's

1683
01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:53,880
Speaker 3: actually helped Contact. They've looked like they've come out with

1684
01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:57,639
Speaker 3: a better twelve months result than the market was expecting.

1685
01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:03,360
Speaker 3: The result reflects a bit of geffmal generation last year

1686
01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:06,400
Speaker 3: obviously at low hydro, but really importantly for New Zealand,

1687
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:10,000
Speaker 3: the system wide controlled hydro stories or the dams, they're

1688
01:20:10,040 --> 01:20:13,720
Speaker 3: full and that should just keep a cap on the

1689
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:17,360
Speaker 3: risks around power aullages and certainly you know spike electricity prices.

1690
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:18,759
Speaker 3: So it's good, it's good for New Zealand.

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01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:20,559
Speaker 2: Hey, run me through what you've seen with the New

1692
01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:23,639
Speaker 2: Zealand company management teams buying and selling shares in the companies.

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01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:26,439
Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, in the last a few days we've seen

1694
01:20:26,479 --> 01:20:29,759
Speaker 3: a couple of interesting announcements the management of the retirement

1695
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:32,439
Speaker 3: and HP company Rieman obviously been under pressure in the

1696
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:35,439
Speaker 3: last year or so. They've stepped up and been buying

1697
01:20:35,479 --> 01:20:36,720
Speaker 3: a lot of shares. You know, there's a bit of

1698
01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:39,840
Speaker 3: a positive signal in terms of their company emerging from

1699
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:42,040
Speaker 3: what's been a pretty challenging period of time. On the

1700
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:45,120
Speaker 3: other side, we saw online trouble company Circo CEO. He's

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01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:46,920
Speaker 3: saw a little bit of stock first time in a

1702
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:50,360
Speaker 3: long time, so he hasn't tended to sell stock. Tax

1703
01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:52,639
Speaker 3: obligations either, unfortunately, but he's got to pay the tax.

1704
01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:54,320
Speaker 3: He's got long tem as interest and he's got to

1705
01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:56,920
Speaker 3: pay the tax bill. On either side. Not unusual, we

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01:20:57,000 --> 01:20:58,960
Speaker 3: do see it often, but you know, just a little

1707
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:00,840
Speaker 3: bit of a you know, he's he's taking some money

1708
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:03,360
Speaker 3: to pay that hard tax bill.

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Speaker 2: All right, So the US company earning season has started

1710
01:21:07,160 --> 01:21:08,400
Speaker 2: for the second quarter. How's it going.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, look, last week with a little bit inconclusive, which

1712
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:14,439
Speaker 3: sounds weird, but we had the big banks come out

1713
01:21:14,479 --> 01:21:17,920
Speaker 3: and they were okay. Things like Netflix it was okay.

1714
01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:20,920
Speaker 3: But the results of share prices after is we're not

1715
01:21:21,080 --> 01:21:24,680
Speaker 3: particularly strong, and that just you know, might have been

1716
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:26,880
Speaker 3: a surprise to many. We've had a strong market going

1717
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:29,479
Speaker 3: into this, and what we need is these earnings numbers

1718
01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:31,600
Speaker 3: to beat, and they haven't quite done that yet. So

1719
01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:35,080
Speaker 3: when we think about how tough the world has been

1720
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:36,840
Speaker 3: the last five months, the one thing that stands out

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Speaker 3: as profit margins have been pretty good over there. This week,

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Speaker 3: we're getting a bunch of technology stocks coming out, so

1723
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:45,120
Speaker 3: certainly they'll need to be good numbers to keep that

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Speaker 3: market going. And we've certainly seen just a little bit

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01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:49,599
Speaker 3: of heat come out of that US market.

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Speaker 2: Short term good stuff, Shane, Thanks so much, Shane, Solly

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Speaker 2: Harbor Asset Management ever do for cl Okay, We got

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Speaker 2: some show Bus news for you.

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Speaker 1: You know what that is.

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Speaker 2: Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham are fanning the flames of

1731
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Speaker 2: a Fleetwood Mac reunion. The pair have uploaded matching Instagram

1732
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Speaker 2: posts with lyrics to their nineteen seventy three song Frozen Love.

1733
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:16,240
Speaker 2: Mick Fleetwood then also posted the song in an Instagram

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Speaker 2: video on Wednesday, saying the band's music was magic then

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Speaker 2: magic Now. Fans are about as excited as you would expect.

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Speaker 2: The summer that's right, our toxic seventies lovers are coming

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Speaker 2: back to save the summer. Following the death of the

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Speaker 2: band mate, Christine mcveie, the one on the keyboard, stevi

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Speaker 2: Ennick said there was no reason for the band to reunite,

1742
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Speaker 2: and the last time that the band had had reformed

1743
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Speaker 2: was in twenty eighteen for that world tour, and that

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01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:49,720
Speaker 2: didn't include Lindsey Buckingham because they had instead the Chap

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Speaker 2: from Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, and then they also

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01:22:52,240 --> 01:22:55,920
Speaker 2: had Neil Finn And so when Christine died, we all thought, Mmm,

1747
01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:57,880
Speaker 2: is it possible? Is it not? Will it looks like

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Speaker 2: it is possible? Fingers crossed because how good? Let's talk

1749
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:03,679
Speaker 2: about AI next, news talks AB.

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Speaker 2: You're taking me, I'm going to give you my review.

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Speaker 2: Finally having finished Jinder's book. Of Justinder's book, David Cymore,

1755
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:41,760
Speaker 2: by the way, has written a letter to FARMAC and

1756
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:43,880
Speaker 2: told it to modernize or it will fall behind, and

1757
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:46,800
Speaker 2: has told it to explore ways to utilize AI and

1758
01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:49,920
Speaker 2: so on. Speaking of AI, twenty four away from seven,

1759
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:52,880
Speaker 2: there are increasing moves to stop AI companies from scraping

1760
01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:55,719
Speaker 2: websites for free, which is what's been going on. Cloud

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01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:58,360
Speaker 2: Fear is a website infrastructure company that looks after about

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01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:01,120
Speaker 2: sixteen percent of the global in to need traffic. It

1763
01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:04,679
Speaker 2: has decided to block the AI crawlers as a default.

1764
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:08,040
Speaker 2: Steffanie Cohen is cloud Fair's chief strategy officer with US

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01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:09,200
Speaker 2: high Stephanie.

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01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:11,040
Speaker 13: Hi, lovely to be here.

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01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:13,160
Speaker 2: It's great to chat to you. What proportion of your

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01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:15,439
Speaker 2: sites that you guys are in charge of do you

1769
01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:18,320
Speaker 2: think want to keep AI crawlers off?

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01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:20,160
Speaker 16: Yeah?

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01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:23,799
Speaker 22: I think what if you look at cloud Flair's Internet

1772
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:25,840
Speaker 22: presence a cloud flare, more than twenty percent of the

1773
01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:28,479
Speaker 22: Internet sits behind cloud flair, And what we know about

1774
01:24:28,479 --> 01:24:30,320
Speaker 22: the people that sit behind cloud flair is they want

1775
01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:33,000
Speaker 22: control over who is scraping their site. They want to

1776
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:35,080
Speaker 22: know who's on their site, they want to know what

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01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:36,640
Speaker 22: they're planning to do on that site, and then they

1778
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:39,519
Speaker 22: want to have the option to either block, allow, or

1779
01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:41,599
Speaker 22: charge AI crawlers for being on their site.

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01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:47,720
Speaker 2: If they charge, how much do they charge, So all of.

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01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:50,479
Speaker 22: The content creators on cloud flair site get to determine

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01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:52,639
Speaker 22: whether or not they allow the crawlers on their site

1783
01:24:52,640 --> 01:24:54,080
Speaker 22: and what they're going to charge. And the way that

1784
01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:58,360
Speaker 22: it works is that that communication happens privately between the

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01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:02,320
Speaker 22: site owner and the AI crawler. So each site will

1786
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:04,519
Speaker 22: determine their own price and at the same time, each

1787
01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:06,640
Speaker 22: crawler will also determine their own price. And when the

1788
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:09,960
Speaker 22: market meets, that's where we'll begin to see a sustainable

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01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:11,320
Speaker 22: ecosystem flourish.

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01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:17,120
Speaker 2: I see and so what roughly on average what's being charged, So.

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01:25:17,240 --> 01:25:20,840
Speaker 22: We're really at the beginning of creating this sustainable ecosystem.

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01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:22,360
Speaker 22: The first thing that we needed to do is make

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01:25:22,439 --> 01:25:25,120
Speaker 22: sure that content creators had control and so that's why

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01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:27,880
Speaker 22: we changed the defaults on the cloud Flair network. We've

1795
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:30,080
Speaker 22: now changed it so that for new domains on the

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01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:33,240
Speaker 22: cloud Flare network, AI crawlers are blocked by default, and

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01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:35,880
Speaker 22: that will allow this market to come together. But as

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01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:37,439
Speaker 22: you know, there's been a lot of deals done with

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01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:41,880
Speaker 22: very large AI companies with very large publishers, and what

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01:25:42,120 --> 01:25:43,800
Speaker 22: we're going to be able to do on our marketplace

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01:25:43,880 --> 01:25:46,840
Speaker 22: is bring the long tail of both AI crawlers and

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01:25:47,080 --> 01:25:49,360
Speaker 22: content creators together and we'll see what that produces.

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01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:53,400
Speaker 2: Okay, so if okay, so we're obviously not going to

1804
01:25:53,439 --> 01:25:54,720
Speaker 2: find out how much is being charged, and I can

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01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:57,640
Speaker 2: understand it might be commercially sensitive, But if everybody in

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01:25:57,680 --> 01:26:00,519
Speaker 2: the Internet was to charge the II rulers for the

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01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:04,000
Speaker 2: AI crulers using it, would this actually lead to the

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01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:08,200
Speaker 2: likes of media companies being able to fund to make

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01:26:08,240 --> 01:26:10,360
Speaker 2: a decent amount of money off it to fund the

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01:26:10,439 --> 01:26:13,519
Speaker 2: gap that they're seeing in declining advertising rates at the moment.

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Speaker 22: So, as you know, what's going on on the Internet

1812
01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:19,840
Speaker 22: is that people are reading the derivative rather than reading

1813
01:26:19,880 --> 01:26:22,680
Speaker 22: the original. And when that happens, it's very difficult to

1814
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:26,160
Speaker 22: monetize through ads, subscriptions, or just through the satisfaction of

1815
01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:28,840
Speaker 22: knowing that someone is reading your content. And so we

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01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:32,000
Speaker 22: think this is the first step, but we think there'll

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01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:36,320
Speaker 22: be a sustainable business model that includes being paid for crawling.

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01:26:36,479 --> 01:26:39,400
Speaker 22: But there are probably other business models that we can't

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01:26:39,400 --> 01:26:42,640
Speaker 22: even see are going to emerge based on what's going

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01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:45,280
Speaker 22: on with AI. But what we know is that in

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01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:48,840
Speaker 22: order for AI to thrive, content has to drive. So

1822
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:51,240
Speaker 22: this is not just about protecting content creators. But this

1823
01:26:51,400 --> 01:26:55,040
Speaker 22: is also about creating a world where AI innovation can

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01:26:55,120 --> 01:26:55,720
Speaker 22: thrive as well.

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Speaker 2: Do you think everybody on the Internet has to do

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01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:00,840
Speaker 2: this in order for it to work, because otherwise the

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01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:03,080
Speaker 2: II is just going to scripe the free websites, isn't it.

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Speaker 22: I think that what has to happen is if you look,

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01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:10,000
Speaker 22: there have been very large AI companies and very large

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01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:13,080
Speaker 22: content creators that have that have deals. But the only

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01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:15,639
Speaker 22: way that those deals work is if others don't get

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01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:18,559
Speaker 22: access to that content for free. So what everyone has

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01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:21,240
Speaker 22: to have is the ability to have control over who's

1834
01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:23,559
Speaker 22: on their site. But they may decide that it makes

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01:27:23,600 --> 01:27:26,080
Speaker 22: sense to let someone through because they already have signed

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01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:28,759
Speaker 22: a deal with them, or because they are sending traffic

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01:27:28,920 --> 01:27:31,760
Speaker 22: back to them. So I think what matters is that

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01:27:32,040 --> 01:27:33,760
Speaker 22: you have the control that you need so that you

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01:27:33,800 --> 01:27:35,760
Speaker 22: can set the deals that you want. Maybe some of

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01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:38,800
Speaker 22: them will be exclusive, Maybe some of them you'll charge

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01:27:38,840 --> 01:27:41,000
Speaker 22: many people, some maybe you won't charge some at all

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01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:43,879
Speaker 22: because you're getting a bunch of traffic those crawlers.

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01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:46,200
Speaker 2: So it may it may end up in a situation

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01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:49,640
Speaker 2: where one of the crawlers is the best one of

1845
01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:52,240
Speaker 2: the AI providers. Is the best AI provided because it

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01:27:52,360 --> 01:27:55,760
Speaker 2: has access to the best websites, Yeah, whereas other others

1847
01:27:55,840 --> 01:27:58,000
Speaker 2: may be crappy because they haven't got the good access.

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01:27:58,320 --> 01:27:59,840
Speaker 2: Is that a potential future.

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01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:03,840
Speaker 22: I think there's a real optimistic view of the future

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01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:08,240
Speaker 22: where this is where original, high quality content thrives because

1851
01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:11,799
Speaker 22: to your point, AI crawlers want access to that content,

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01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:14,120
Speaker 22: and so we do think that there is a real

1853
01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:17,320
Speaker 22: opportunity here for us to create an ecosystem where there's

1854
01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:20,080
Speaker 22: demand for high quality original content, which we think is

1855
01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:22,719
Speaker 22: good for AI but also good for human beings.

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01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:25,160
Speaker 2: Ah, this is fascinating. Hey, thank you, Stephanie appreciated. It's

1857
01:28:25,160 --> 01:28:29,240
Speaker 2: Steffanie Cohen, cloud Fair chief strategy officer, Heather do for

1858
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:32,080
Speaker 2: c Ellen fascinating. There's a lot in there. I mean

1859
01:28:32,120 --> 01:28:33,639
Speaker 2: the point that she was making at the end, which

1860
01:28:33,640 --> 01:28:36,200
Speaker 2: I think is an excellent point, is that if you

1861
01:28:36,280 --> 01:28:38,240
Speaker 2: get irritated. I don't know about you, but I get errotated.

1862
01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:39,840
Speaker 2: I click on RNZ, I click on the Herald, I

1863
01:28:39,880 --> 01:28:42,160
Speaker 2: click on stuff. They all carrying the same story. It's

1864
01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:44,720
Speaker 2: all the rn Z story. Everybody's printing the rn Z story.

1865
01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:48,160
Speaker 2: I think, well, what's the point you filled up your websites.

1866
01:28:48,200 --> 01:28:50,400
Speaker 2: But I'm just reading the same thing in three different places.

1867
01:28:50,720 --> 01:28:53,639
Speaker 2: But if the AI crawler thing works, then it doesn't

1868
01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:56,720
Speaker 2: actually benefit you to run the same story everywhere you

1869
01:28:56,960 --> 01:28:59,880
Speaker 2: are you are. You do better if you have original content.

1870
01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:02,000
Speaker 2: So if you actually produce your own story so that

1871
01:29:02,240 --> 01:29:05,880
Speaker 2: you know fingers crossed anyway. So I finished just Inda's book,

1872
01:29:05,880 --> 01:29:09,160
Speaker 2: and my advice is don't buy it. It is really

1873
01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:11,439
Speaker 2: well written. I'm going to explain why that's my advice.

1874
01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:11,720
Speaker 1: It is.

1875
01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:13,680
Speaker 2: I want to say nice things about it upfront, Right,

1876
01:29:13,680 --> 01:29:16,599
Speaker 2: It's really well written. She's an excellent writer. The private

1877
01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:22,160
Speaker 2: stuff in her private life growing up, and her mum's breakdown,

1878
01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:24,679
Speaker 2: her father's fucker Puapa, blah blah blah, it's all really

1879
01:29:24,760 --> 01:29:27,360
Speaker 2: fascinating stuff. And I really enjoyed reading it. And actually

1880
01:29:27,479 --> 01:29:29,960
Speaker 2: I found that I had I already imagined it must

1881
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:32,880
Speaker 2: have been very hard to be a mum, especially for

1882
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:36,439
Speaker 2: a little one, you know, under three, Really hard to

1883
01:29:36,520 --> 01:29:39,080
Speaker 2: be a mum for somebody that's small, when you are

1884
01:29:39,160 --> 01:29:42,120
Speaker 2: working the extraordinary hours that she must have been working

1885
01:29:42,160 --> 01:29:44,000
Speaker 2: as the Prime Minister. However, having read it, I have

1886
01:29:44,160 --> 01:29:47,200
Speaker 2: more empathy for how hard that was, because she talks

1887
01:29:47,240 --> 01:29:49,600
Speaker 2: about that. But the truth is, that's not really what

1888
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:52,800
Speaker 2: we're interested in, is it, Because that stuff's in the

1889
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:54,960
Speaker 2: past now when we live through it. What we're all

1890
01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:57,680
Speaker 2: really interested in is COVID and why she made the

1891
01:29:57,760 --> 01:30:00,080
Speaker 2: decisions that she made and whether she feels bad at

1892
01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:02,040
Speaker 2: all about the decisions she made. But it is a

1893
01:30:02,120 --> 01:30:04,720
Speaker 2: once over lightly on COVID. You're not going to get

1894
01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:07,920
Speaker 2: your satisfaction there. It's about forty pages in a book

1895
01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:10,080
Speaker 2: that runs to about three hundred and thirty odd It's

1896
01:30:10,080 --> 01:30:12,679
Speaker 2: about twelve twelve percent of the book. It's really nothing.

1897
01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:16,080
Speaker 2: And not only is it not a huge chunk, but

1898
01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:19,960
Speaker 2: it's actually very once over lightly in terms of discussing

1899
01:30:20,040 --> 01:30:23,519
Speaker 2: some of the really gnarly stuff. And I suspect that

1900
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:26,200
Speaker 2: that's by design, because otherwise she would have to defend

1901
01:30:26,280 --> 01:30:29,120
Speaker 2: decisions that are probably indefensible to us, you know, Like

1902
01:30:29,200 --> 01:30:31,200
Speaker 2: she doesn't talk at all about why they confiscated the

1903
01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:35,280
Speaker 2: rats the rat kits, doesn't talk at all about why

1904
01:30:35,439 --> 01:30:37,760
Speaker 2: she made the decision as a local electorate MP in

1905
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:40,799
Speaker 2: Auckland to not even visit her electorates when her electorate

1906
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:43,760
Speaker 2: was in an extraordinary lockdown that went on for a

1907
01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:46,639
Speaker 2: long time. Why they decided to let us have picnics

1908
01:30:46,680 --> 01:30:48,719
Speaker 2: at our friend's house, but not do wheeze in the toilet,

1909
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:50,280
Speaker 2: Like none of that stuff, None of that stuff that

1910
01:30:50,360 --> 01:30:53,840
Speaker 2: we got. None of this, you know about us saying

1911
01:30:55,080 --> 01:30:57,240
Speaker 2: how upset we were at not being able to see

1912
01:30:57,400 --> 01:31:00,640
Speaker 2: dying relatives, pregnant women being kept up country. None of

1913
01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:03,439
Speaker 2: that's even covered, like it didn't exist in the version

1914
01:31:03,479 --> 01:31:05,120
Speaker 2: that Jacinda is selling to the world. And I can

1915
01:31:05,240 --> 01:31:08,400
Speaker 2: understand that because it's not very good for the brand,

1916
01:31:08,920 --> 01:31:11,960
Speaker 2: is it. There is some insight, though, I do now

1917
01:31:12,120 --> 01:31:14,640
Speaker 2: understand why she can live with herself having made the

1918
01:31:14,680 --> 01:31:17,120
Speaker 2: decisions that she's made, because she keeps on mentioning the

1919
01:31:17,200 --> 01:31:19,960
Speaker 2: fact that everything was worth it, basically to save twenty

1920
01:31:20,040 --> 01:31:24,519
Speaker 2: thousand lives. Now I disagree because that twenty thousand number

1921
01:31:24,560 --> 01:31:27,600
Speaker 2: is disputed, and I don't know, I don't know that

1922
01:31:27,680 --> 01:31:30,960
Speaker 2: it justifies everything that happened either. I mean, did we

1923
01:31:31,680 --> 01:31:33,599
Speaker 2: did we have to you know, print money to save

1924
01:31:33,680 --> 01:31:35,560
Speaker 2: twenty thousand lives? Did we have to take on the

1925
01:31:35,640 --> 01:31:38,759
Speaker 2: extraordinary levels of debt, some of which was COVID related,

1926
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:40,680
Speaker 2: but most of which wasn't. How do you explain that

1927
01:31:41,080 --> 01:31:44,320
Speaker 2: with your twenty thousand twenty thousand lives that you tell yourself.

1928
01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:47,920
Speaker 2: So anyway, you're not going to get your satisfaction. You're

1929
01:31:47,920 --> 01:31:49,640
Speaker 2: not going to be happy about it. It's not a

1930
01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:53,280
Speaker 2: very good political memoir because you know, a good political

1931
01:31:53,360 --> 01:31:57,520
Speaker 2: memoir leaves you understanding different ideas, you know, like read

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Speaker 2: Cameron's memoir for example, in your come up going, Oh,

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Speaker 2: I see that, I see why you did that. That's

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Speaker 2: an interesting idea. I understand the ideology behind that, all

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Speaker 2: the thinking behind that, none of that, and just send

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Speaker 2: this book whatsoever? She think her best idea, she harps

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Speaker 2: out on about it a lot. Her best idea for

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Speaker 2: solving poverty was basically to give the mums of new

1939
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Speaker 2: babies sixty dollars a week the best start Bayman. And

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Speaker 2: that's not that's not a policy. That's just handing out

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Speaker 2: free cash. So you know, you can still see, you know,

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Speaker 2: I think you can make your own mind up about that. Anyway.

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Speaker 2: I don't recommend that you buy this book if you

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Speaker 2: want to understand anything about politics, and if you're looking

1945
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Speaker 2: for a good political memoir, if you just want to

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Speaker 2: understand her a little bit better, then yes, maybe it will,

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Speaker 2: you know, scratch an itch for you, but I'll tell

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Speaker 2: you what. What you will come out of it thinking,

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Speaker 2: if you're anything like me, is wow. I didn't realize

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Speaker 2: that the depth was so lacking quite that to that extent.

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Speaker 2: I thought there was a little bit more, you know,

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Speaker 2: going on in that character, but no, it was worse

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Speaker 2: than I thought. A quarter to two.

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Speaker 1: Everything from SMEs to the big corporates, the Business Hour

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Speaker 2: By the way, I might do a review of the

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Speaker 2: book I'm about to start reading, which is Rachel Paris's book,

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Speaker 2: Rachel being the wife of Jason Paris. But to say

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Speaker 2: she's the wife of Jason Paris really does her no

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Speaker 2: justice at all, because Rachel actually had an international legal

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Speaker 2: career and was a former Bell Gully lawyer and stuff.

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Speaker 2: She's written a suspense thriller called See How They Fall

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Speaker 2: and it is a dream right like her deboo book

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Speaker 2: is just people are raving about it. So anyway, I

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Speaker 2: will let you know how missus One New Zealand's book

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Speaker 2: goes down with me at some stage in the near future.

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Speaker 2: Why not Twelve Away from seven with me right now

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Speaker 2: we have Gavin Gray, UK correspondent. Hey, Gavin, iiver had

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Speaker 2: that right. What are the issues that we're found in

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Speaker 2: the water sector.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, big report are really perhaps the biggest changes being

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Speaker 14: recommended in this independent report since the water industry here

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Speaker 14: were privatized thirty odd years ago. And this is all

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Speaker 14: to the four because dividends for the water companies have

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Speaker 14: been high. Bonuses for the big bosses have been massive.

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Speaker 14: In one case, a water company boss is going to

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Speaker 14: walk away this week with something like three million New

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Speaker 14: Zealand dollars worth in bonuses, long term incentive plans and salary.

1980
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Speaker 14: And yet we have more sewage being pumped into our

1981
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Speaker 14: waters than ever before. Often when there is a sudden

1982
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Speaker 14: deluge of rain, the pipes can't cope and then to

1983
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Speaker 14: make sure there's no overflow, the waste is then pumped

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Speaker 14: into rivers and of course that's deeply unpleasant and unenvironmentally friendly.

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Speaker 14: So this new report, published just an hour and a

1986
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Speaker 14: half ago, has eighty eight recommendations in it. They've said basically,

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Speaker 14: the water regulator off what is not working. It is

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Speaker 14: just simply not doing its job to keep an eye

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Speaker 14: on the water companies so the author recommends that those

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Speaker 14: are scrapped with a single integrated water regulator in England

1991
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Speaker 14: and Wales instead of the that we currently have looking

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Speaker 14: at different parts of the water industry. There should be

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Speaker 14: new regional water system planning authorities in England and one

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Speaker 14: in Wales. Part of the problem for drinking water, incidentally,

1995
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Speaker 14: is we haven't built a reservoir in this country for

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Speaker 14: thirty five to forty years, and that's a long time

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Speaker 14: with the population increasing. And one big thing he's demanding

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Speaker 14: now that water meters be made mandatory. In other words,

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Speaker 14: not just new homes, not just homes that are easy

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Speaker 14: to access, you know, and housing estates, but all homes

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Speaker 14: across the UK, however isolated, they are to have a

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Speaker 14: water meter. Plenty of feedback on all of this report,

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Speaker 14: and this is likely to rumble on for some time.

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Speaker 2: Kevin, Is it now the case that whoever was left

2005
01:35:45,880 --> 01:35:47,599
Speaker 2: behind in Afghanistan gets no compo?

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Speaker 14: That is pretty much what they're now saying. What a

2007
01:35:51,439 --> 01:35:55,799
Speaker 14: terrible week where one leak of information from an unnamed

2008
01:35:55,920 --> 01:35:59,080
Speaker 14: ministry defense official may end up costing more than two

2009
01:35:59,360 --> 01:36:03,640
Speaker 14: billion New Zealand dollars in compensation and to rectify but

2010
01:36:03,800 --> 01:36:06,000
Speaker 14: what we now loan is that as a lot as

2011
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Speaker 14: well as people in Afghanistan who'd helped British forces during

2012
01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:14,000
Speaker 14: the war there in Afghanistan have helped them with translating

2013
01:36:14,080 --> 01:36:17,360
Speaker 14: and so forth. While some have been brought to the UK,

2014
01:36:18,120 --> 01:36:20,439
Speaker 14: we now know that there are others who won't, and

2015
01:36:20,640 --> 01:36:24,120
Speaker 14: those whose personal details were leaked but were not evacuated

2016
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Speaker 14: are being told they will not receive any compensation. And

2017
01:36:27,720 --> 01:36:30,519
Speaker 14: it's that word compensation, as you can imagine how that

2018
01:36:31,000 --> 01:36:34,840
Speaker 14: has really boosted that massive bill that the government may

2019
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Speaker 14: now be facing, because of course there are those who

2020
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Speaker 14: have come to the UK whose families are still in

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Speaker 14: Afghanistan they are seeking compensation. The list also included a

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Speaker 14: hundred at least one hundred people who were in the

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Speaker 14: security services or sas their information was leaked. Well that's

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Speaker 14: obviously the most sensitive data here, but there are those

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Speaker 14: who are left behind as well, who's now information is leaked.

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Speaker 14: Who are they fear going to be targeted by the Taliban.

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Speaker 14: So there are some case laws being bought here, with

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Speaker 14: one large lawsuit being prepared by a company with more

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Speaker 14: than a thousand Afghan clans. So yes, you can bet

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Speaker 14: your life the lawyers are all over this trying to

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Speaker 14: get these large settlements from the government.

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Speaker 2: Kevin, thanks very much, Enjoy your day. We'll talk to

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Speaker 2: you again in a couple of days. It's eight away

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Speaker 2: from seven.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Toop se Alan Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 2: Tell you what we're going to be doing in one

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01:37:33,240 --> 01:37:35,120
Speaker 2: week's time as we're going to be talking about Timotha

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01:37:35,160 --> 01:37:37,920
Speaker 2: Paul because tamoth has just sent out an advisory. She's

2040
01:37:37,960 --> 01:37:43,200
Speaker 2: talking about what was it, police and prisons, Police, prisons

2041
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Speaker 2: and public safety this time next week, six o'clock, twenty

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Speaker 2: eighth July. And I tell you what you have not

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Speaker 2: heard ideas more cookie than Tamotha's ideas.

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Speaker 1: Well, no you have.

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Speaker 2: There's a group called PAPA People Against Prisons out here

2046
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Speaker 2: or something like that that they're pretty cookie. She supports them.

2047
01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:02,040
Speaker 2: So I think I think kind of aim for like

2048
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Speaker 2: disestablished the police, defund the police, get rid of the prisons.

2049
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:07,920
Speaker 2: That kind of vibe. We'll be talking about it. What

2050
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Speaker 2: about this guy though, Can I just give a shout

2051
01:38:10,280 --> 01:38:12,400
Speaker 2: out to this guy for just the balls that it

2052
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Speaker 2: takes to do this. This is Fullier Andrew Lesser. He's

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Speaker 2: resigning from everything, he says, because he's been busted fibbing

2054
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Speaker 2: on his CV and not like not a little fib

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Speaker 2: you know where you do the thing where you're like, oh,

2056
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Speaker 2: I was a senior manager, blah blah, and you were

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Speaker 2: just a manager, you know, like not that Like I

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Speaker 2: had many direct reports, you only had two, nothing like that. No,

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Speaker 2: he said he was a UN diplomat. He wasn't. He

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Speaker 2: was the coordinator for the Pacific Region for Aquay. Ever

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Speaker 2: heard of them. No, because it's a global youth movement,

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Speaker 2: nobody cares about. That's not a UN diplomat. He says.

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Speaker 2: He was a policy consultant that the Asian Development Bank.

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Speaker 2: He was not. There was just one email that he

2065
01:38:48,200 --> 01:38:51,400
Speaker 2: was sent in twenty twenty where an Asian Development Bank

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01:38:51,479 --> 01:38:53,920
Speaker 2: Youth Regional program manager asked as him put into a

2067
01:38:54,000 --> 01:38:58,439
Speaker 2: policy dialogue session for the youth's symposium because he'd been

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01:38:58,479 --> 01:39:00,600
Speaker 2: there one time before. So apparently if you go, I

2069
01:39:00,600 --> 01:39:02,920
Speaker 2: think you should have six people, not five, then he

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01:39:03,080 --> 01:39:04,599
Speaker 2: thinks that you're a policy consultant.

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Speaker 3: He was not.

2072
01:39:05,520 --> 01:39:07,400
Speaker 2: He said he was a director for ACC He wasn't.

2073
01:39:07,439 --> 01:39:09,960
Speaker 2: He was a member of the Motorcycle Safety Advisory Council.

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01:39:10,600 --> 01:39:12,519
Speaker 2: He said he was a senior advisor to philanthropy in

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01:39:12,520 --> 01:39:14,760
Speaker 2: New Zealand. He wasn't. He just was a member of

2076
01:39:14,800 --> 01:39:17,320
Speaker 2: a youth advisory group. And he also said that he

2077
01:39:17,439 --> 01:39:19,880
Speaker 2: completed a jd which is a jurisd Doctor, which is

2078
01:39:19,880 --> 01:39:22,880
Speaker 2: a law degree at Yale. He didn't. He did a

2079
01:39:22,960 --> 01:39:26,519
Speaker 2: free online course. So anyway, he was appointed a visiting

2080
01:39:26,720 --> 01:39:29,800
Speaker 2: Justice in June by Nicole McKee, which has brought all

2081
01:39:29,840 --> 01:39:33,000
Speaker 2: of this to the four. He's also a member of

2082
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Speaker 2: the Manyeoua local board. He's also a JP. He says

2083
01:39:36,240 --> 01:39:37,960
Speaker 2: he's going to resign from everything, but I think we'll

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01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:39,840
Speaker 2: have to double check that, given that he's not known

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01:39:39,880 --> 01:39:42,439
Speaker 2: for his truth. But the balls it takes, Hey, the

2086
01:39:42,640 --> 01:39:44,960
Speaker 2: balls it takes to tell a film like that, I

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Speaker 2: love it.

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Speaker 14: You know what.

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Speaker 19: When I was in Union here there, I sent an

2090
01:39:47,360 --> 01:39:49,840
Speaker 19: email at KFC about why it was silly that they

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01:39:49,920 --> 01:39:52,160
Speaker 19: didn't have a restaurant Hong Queen Street in the center

2092
01:39:52,240 --> 01:39:54,040
Speaker 19: of Auckland and how important it was that they have one.

2093
01:39:54,120 --> 01:39:55,400
Speaker 19: So I think I'm going to go it at my

2094
01:39:55,479 --> 01:39:57,360
Speaker 19: CV now and say that I was a fast food

2095
01:39:57,400 --> 01:40:00,439
Speaker 19: consultant to a major chain New Zealand.

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01:40:00,520 --> 01:40:02,000
Speaker 2: That's right, they sit up a KFC.

2097
01:40:02,479 --> 01:40:04,120
Speaker 19: Well there is one on Ford Street now, so I

2098
01:40:04,160 --> 01:40:06,000
Speaker 19: don't think it was entirely because of me here, but

2099
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Speaker 19: I mean, look we've got so it could be.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 19: Titanium by David Gitter and see Her to play us

2102
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Speaker 19: out tonight, David Gitter. He was the last artist to

2103
01:40:15,360 --> 01:40:17,679
Speaker 19: play on the main stage at Tomorrowland, which did manage

2104
01:40:17,680 --> 01:40:19,240
Speaker 19: to go ahead despite the main stage. They're going to

2105
01:40:19,320 --> 01:40:22,320
Speaker 19: use Burning Down and see her. Well, she's dating looks

2106
01:40:22,439 --> 01:40:25,040
Speaker 19: like Harry from Heartbreak Island, the first season of that

2107
01:40:25,120 --> 01:40:27,679
Speaker 19: reality show in New Zealand. Oh yeah, she's be half

2108
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Speaker 19: a right, yes, yep, scandal yep, accurate.

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Speaker 2: You see yer cradle snatching.

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Speaker 19: Kind of a shame that hum and Georgia didn't work

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Speaker 19: out either, I thought, oh very well that season.

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Speaker 2: Ye had no idea what you're talking about? All right,

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Speaker 2: See you tomorrow.

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