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Speaker 2: EDB gott a good afternoon and welcome into Sunday's edition

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Speaker 2: of Weekend Sport. On News Talks. It'd be for July

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Speaker 2: twenty seven. Happy birthday, Former or Black's prop Paul Allen,

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Speaker 2: Happy birthday, Alan Border, Happy birthday, Jordan's Speek. I'm Jason Pine.

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Speaker 2: Andy McDonald is producing the show. We are here till

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Speaker 2: three Marz on text, Piney, could we not talk about

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Speaker 2: the Warriors today, mate Mars. Unfortunately we have to a

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Speaker 2: Warriors wobble at go Media last night defeat to the Titans,

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Speaker 2: and the top four is now far from a foregone

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Speaker 2: conclusion with six games to go. Various Rugby League analyst

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Speaker 2: Willie Poching standing by to chat to us. I'm very

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Speaker 2: very keen though on your views on a couple of things,

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Speaker 2: in particular the right edge, defense and weather. This Warrior's

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Speaker 2: side is still in your mind a top four proposition

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Speaker 2: lines open immediately and across the hout to talk some

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Speaker 2: Warriors other matters around today. A major shakeup in the

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Speaker 2: New Zealand sports broadcasting market this week. On Tuesday it

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Speaker 2: was announced that Sky have bought TV three, giving themselves

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Speaker 2: a ready made, free to wear platform for some of

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Speaker 2: its sports content. And then on Friday it's been reported

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Speaker 2: and this is not yet confirmed but widely reported that

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Speaker 2: TV and Z have won the battle to screen the

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Speaker 2: feet for World Cup next year, fending off Sky in

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Speaker 2: the battle for those rights. They're going to put a

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Speaker 2: significant portion of the games behind a new paywall which

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Speaker 2: will be up and running by the time the tournament

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Speaker 2: kicks off in June of next year. Got to analyze

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Speaker 2: these developments and what they mean for us as sports

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Speaker 2: fans with sports broadcasting expert Colin Smith. After one o'clock

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Speaker 2: the A and Z Premiership Netball Finals on this afternoon

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Speaker 2: four o'clock two time defending champion Mystics against the Tactics

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Speaker 2: Trust Arena Auckland. We've got live commentary over on Gold

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Speaker 2: Sport from four o'clock inside both camps. After two Mystics

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Speaker 2: captain MICHAELA Sokeolech Beatson and tactics shooter Ali Bird. Massive

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Speaker 2: controversy in the second Wallaby's Lions test last night, reserve

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Speaker 2: lines back rubber Jack Morgan cleaning out Wallaby's counterpart Carlo

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Speaker 2: Tizzano at a ruck the phase before the Lions scored

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Speaker 2: the winning try through fullback Hugo Keenan to seal the series.

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Speaker 2: The Aussies are blowing up deluxe about this. Going to

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Speaker 2: get some reaction from leading Australian rugby writer and broadcaster

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Speaker 2: Brett McKay. Yours welcome to your thoughts, that is leam

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Speaker 2: Busby takes a state side with the lads from American

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Speaker 2: sport James mcconey, as usual on a Sunday as well,

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Speaker 2: but a live sport to keep an eye on this afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Chatham Cup football them old stomping ground of Nelson, Nelson

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Speaker 2: Suburbs up against Birkenhead United in the fourth of the

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Speaker 2: Chatham Cup quarterfinals yesterday Wellington Olympic, Auckland United and Eastern

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Speaker 2: Suburbs all one through to the semis Nelson Suburbs against Birkenhead.

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Speaker 2: They're twenty five minutes and no score at Saxton Field

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Speaker 1: Twelve Analyzing every view from every angle in the Sporting World.

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Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Vine Call eighty eight US talks edb.

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Speaker 2: SO a shock home loss for the Warriors last night.

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Speaker 3: Jayden Campbell's gonna have the last say, terrific game from

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Speaker 3: Jayden Campbell. Here's been instrumental there marshaling this victory and

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Speaker 3: it's tight has come to Wakland and.

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Speaker 2: That's an endus. What's a and DEAs has.

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Speaker 3: Hers five hundred game as an NRL coach.

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Speaker 2: This Signe's gonna.

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Speaker 4: Feel really super sweet for him.

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Speaker 2: As the Titans come to Wark, will win and when

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Speaker 2: at twenty four sixteen. The Gold Coast Titans were at

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Speaker 2: the bottom of the table before last night's match. After

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Speaker 2: taking a ten year lead through early tries to Adam

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Speaker 2: Pompey and Lekahalisima, the Warriors then conceded twenty four unanswered

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Speaker 2: points and gave themselves too much to do late in

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Speaker 2: the game to peg the Titans back. It was just

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Speaker 2: a fifth win of the season for the Gold Coast.

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Speaker 2: In coach Des Hasler's five hundredth match as an NRL

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Speaker 2: head coach, Let's bring in former Super League player and coach,

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Speaker 2: Foundation Warriors player and Skysport Rugby League analyst Willie Poaching Willie.

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Speaker 2: When Andrew Webster woke up this morning and started his

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Speaker 2: review of the match, what would have been the main

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Speaker 2: things concerning him? Do you think?

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Speaker 5: I think the biggest thing will be that they weren't

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Speaker 5: started so well. Well, they put themselves in a position

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Speaker 5: to be really really dominant, and four credits to the Titans.

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Speaker 5: They saw an opportunity after going down quickly ten mil

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Speaker 5: see them grow from then on and it had the

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Speaker 5: adverse effect on the Warriors. You could almost see them

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Speaker 5: get deflated after starting so brightly and they had all

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Speaker 5: the running that or the field position. I think that's

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Speaker 5: something that coach Webster will be looking at, you know,

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Speaker 5: holding on to that start, but really trying to kick

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Speaker 5: on from that and putting teams to the sword and

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Speaker 5: being really ruthless going into a really tough time of

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Speaker 2: You're right, because he even said it afterwards. They didn't.

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Speaker 2: They didn't adapt to the momentum shift, which of course

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Speaker 2: was the Titan scoring their first try and then quickly

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Speaker 2: we think, man, we're going to run up a cricket

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Speaker 5: It is dangerous. It is dangerous, and what the lessons

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Speaker 5: that everyone's learning from this competition. If you disrespect the

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Speaker 5: opposition by just a submigeon, you're going to get caught out.

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Speaker 5: And I'm not saying that the Worriors disrespected the Titans,

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Speaker 5: but it almost sut like things were coming so easy

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Speaker 5: to give that ten yearl lead and then went back

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Speaker 5: to recognize. And now I said it in commentary. It

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Speaker 5: was only a small thing, but it ended up being

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Speaker 5: The two points just before halftime that the Titans took

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Speaker 5: the break would have been huge for them. Huge for

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Speaker 5: and they took confidence out with him when they started

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Speaker 2: The warrior is right edge defense? Will he again in

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Speaker 5: Yeah? I think there is cause for a lot of

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Speaker 5: just I think it's tough to put Kirk kate Will

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Speaker 5: he's a great player, he's a fantastic villain. But I

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Speaker 5: and teams are just going that way. I think they've

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Speaker 5: got to try and find a solution to putting someone

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Speaker 5: But regardless, that right edge has got to get some connection.

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Speaker 5: They're almost singing off different hymn sheets, if you like,

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Speaker 5: and they've got to do some work in the next

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Speaker 5: the Titans saw something in that night's video to go

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Speaker 2: Dellan what Tenny's alesni at getting a lot of criticism,

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Speaker 2: But wellie, what's he supposed to do in defensive situations?

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Speaker 2: If he comes in, he runs the risk of an overlap.

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Speaker 2: If he stays out, there's the line break possibility. What

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Speaker 5: And some of it depends on field position and where

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Speaker 5: and you can't play steady on your goal on You've

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Speaker 5: just got to go and kill and so the inside

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Speaker 5: for him isn't working. And I thought last night Karen

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Speaker 5: Ford did a really good job. And we talk about

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Speaker 5: Ford did a really good job in that. So once

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Speaker 5: Dylan had no choice but to go and try and

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Speaker 5: kill it. It was just unfortunate that the Titans had

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Speaker 5: so much depth and pass from Brimston was outstanding and

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Speaker 5: they got that first tribe. Yeah, there's a a bit

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Speaker 5: of work on for Andrew Webster in that right edge

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Speaker 2: You talked about Kirk Capele and they're desperate to get

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Speaker 2: him back into the back row. It's obviously don't want

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Speaker 2: I'm playing in the centers. They want them in the

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Speaker 2: in the forwards. But are there any other solutions? Roccoberry

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Speaker 2: still and did I hear Ali l'attawa left the field

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Speaker 2: you've talked about somebody more athletic. I don't know, as

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Speaker 2: Charles nikol kluksta An ops in there.

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Speaker 5: Willie, possibly you could possibly put charms there and turn

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Speaker 5: to our pickI without standing everyone in reserve grave without

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Speaker 5: standing yesterday as they demorish South Sydney. You've got Moala

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Speaker 5: Graham Tolfa who's played a little bit of center and

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Speaker 5: he's an out and out center. He's someone who's comfortable

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Speaker 5: Webster to tinker around with. Who knows what's going on

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Speaker 5: in the background, And you know, my first thoughts were

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Speaker 5: Ali l'attawa and word I'm getting is he's carrying some

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Speaker 5: medals and some injuries and he isn't one hundred percent,

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Speaker 5: as you've alluded to him coming off yesterday late in

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Speaker 5: the game. So his hands may be tied. And I'm

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Speaker 5: talking about Andrew West. His hands may be tired from

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Speaker 5: what he can select with. But yeah, there are some

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Speaker 5: options that he could use at his disposal to try

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Speaker 2: In the pack and take to olpa Key seems like

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Speaker 2: the most obvious one. Put him in somewhere. I think

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Speaker 2: the calls are growing, aren't they. And we've even set

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Speaker 2: after the game yesterday, Yes he's obviously a very good

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Speaker 2: player playing well for the new South Walest cap side.

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Speaker 2: Would you just bring him in? He's obviously high on confidence.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, massively, And he kicked goals for fun yesterday and

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Speaker 5: he was turning the defenders of the South Sydney side

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Speaker 5: and set up a couple of tries and is almost

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Speaker 5: a little bit like Lecquer at the moment, growing and

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Speaker 5: cult status with the fans. And you're right, there's a

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Speaker 5: god of course for him to be back, and he's

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Speaker 5: done nothing wrong when he's been in the side. But

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Speaker 5: I understand him putting charms back there. He's the number

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Speaker 5: one fall back at the moment. But yeah, I think

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Speaker 5: Well, not at the moment. Positionally they had a chance

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Speaker 5: these are vital games. I thought the Knights and the

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Speaker 5: to be a tough ask, the Dolphins and the Dogs.

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Speaker 5: They have to go to the gold casing him and

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Speaker 5: play the Titans as well. But yeah, they don't feel

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Speaker 2: Great talking rugby league with you as always, Willie. Thanks

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Speaker 2: Thank you mate. That is Willy poaching with his thoughts.

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Speaker 2: Time for yours now, oh eight hundred and eighty ten

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Speaker 2: eighty lines are open. First things first, congrats to the Titans.

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Speaker 2: One of their best performances of the season. That did

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Speaker 2: And if they keep playing like that, they will they'll

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Speaker 2: avoid the wooden spoon. They've gone past the rabbit Os

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Speaker 2: now their level with the Knights and the rabbit O's.

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Speaker 2: On sixteen points, but their points differ is better only marginally,

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Speaker 2: But that didn't look like a bottom of the table

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Speaker 2: honestly feel for Dell and why Tennis. He is in

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Speaker 2: Do you come in and force the tougher pass and

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Speaker 2: you make changes rightly or wrongly? Dellan whatenis Alesniak is

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Speaker 2: you say have a break and you give Tane two

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Speaker 2: They don't. He's a back roller. He's only there because

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Speaker 2: Elie Latdouah left the field injured yesterday in the new

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Speaker 2: on Friday Night against the Dolphins, it'll likely be Kirk

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Speaker 2: play there maybe, but then you're bringing in another guys

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Speaker 2: things in terms of connection? For me, it's to change

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Speaker 2: on the wing. You bring Tane to Well. Picky In

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Speaker 2: as I say, played there in the first couple of

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Speaker 2: Wade Egan next week out on HIA protocols. Has heard

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Speaker 2: in our sports news. Sam Healley took his place against

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Speaker 2: the Sharks and round fourteen played pretty well, so I'd

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Speaker 2: miss Wade Egan when he's not there. I mean he

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Speaker 2: are some thinking to do. Oh eight hundred and eighty

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Speaker 2: a top four side? Hello?

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Speaker 6: Lyle yeah mate. Look, first of all, I hope c

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Speaker 6: W said doesn't look at social media quite nasty last

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Speaker 6: twenty four hours. But look, I've been telling you for

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Speaker 6: a while. They're on the slide, all right. They won

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Speaker 6: last week and it was a great win. Shame it

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Speaker 6: couldn't have been by one, for it would have collected

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Speaker 6: me one hundred and twenty three dollars. But anyway, you

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Speaker 6: can't have everything.

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Speaker 2: You can't have everything.

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Speaker 6: Long yeah, no, Look they had it for Egan's try

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Speaker 6: last week probably should have been awarded and Newcastle got

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Speaker 6: he was blue to absolute supprise. They had five guys

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Speaker 6: got a Donther windsor win. But I thought they'd make

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Speaker 6: I think they were just completely out Food's. The only

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Speaker 6: hundred games. But the Warriors head everything to play for,

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Speaker 6: consolidate where they are and make a statement. Look it's

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Speaker 6: pretty radical, but I'd be considering possibly putting pained to

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Speaker 6: a picky in the hooker. He's got a good pass,

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Speaker 6: he's got a great step and a great burst of place. However, Healey,

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Speaker 6: you will probably get the job. But look, if they

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Speaker 6: put it's fourth, it looks like they're going to be

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Speaker 6: playing Penrith at four plays five. I'm happy to be corrected.

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Speaker 2: You're right, yeah, it's it's the it's the I think

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Speaker 2: it's the five, six, seven, to start end up in

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Speaker 2: the top you play. If you're fourth, you play top

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Speaker 2: to start with in a in a in A, one

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Speaker 2: if you're finishing the top four. For me, though, Lyle,

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Speaker 2: I think Penrith are finishing top four, the one seven

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Speaker 2: dreadful start of the season. I reckon they're finishing top four.

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Speaker 2: I think the Raiders in the Storm stay there. I

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Speaker 6: For me, well, hopefully what will happen is the Bulldogs

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Speaker 7: What they're like.

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Speaker 6: It's definitely the Bulldogs. So look, the problem might be.

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Speaker 6: My main concern for the Warriors is the Olympic home

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Speaker 6: really badly, because once the finals start, suddenly it's a

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Speaker 6: new competition and the competition is going to be a

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Speaker 6: lot harder than they've played in the last month. They

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Speaker 6: you before and I say it again. The two irons.

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Speaker 6: One's nineties, the other one's self sorry north of eighties.

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Speaker 6: The support of the Warriors, their entire lives type Pott.

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Speaker 6: The Warriors have been in the comp Hopefully they can

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Speaker 6: do it for them.

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Speaker 2: I'm so lyle I hope so mate. Yes, for their man,

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Speaker 2: for their the rest of their supporters. Good to chat

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Speaker 2: to you, mate, Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eightyes

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Speaker 2: out number Alistair Hi.

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Speaker 8: Okay mate, how are you going?

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Speaker 2: Very good? Alasta? What's on your mind? Warrior is wise?

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Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 8: I think with Dylan the issue goes back well before

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Speaker 8: the you know, like having capable inside him. You know,

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Speaker 8: I've been watching them all season and he keeps making

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Speaker 8: the same mistake. You know, he sort of comes in

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Speaker 8: take out the center, doesn't stay out in his man

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Speaker 8: I don't know how many tries we have seen scored

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Speaker 8: he needs to be stood down, you know. I mean

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Speaker 8: he cost us two tries in their match last night

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Speaker 8: and then you know, ten minutes and the Sinton didn't

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Speaker 2: So not for the first I'm not sure, the first

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Speaker 2: his fault, the first half one, the one that made

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Speaker 8: No, but it's symptomatic of a bigger problem. I mean,

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Speaker 8: look to me, the winger should always just stay on

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Speaker 8: much every match, you know it's going to happen, and

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Speaker 8: you know, you can just to see exactly what's going

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Speaker 8: to happen. You don't need to, you know, it's just

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Speaker 8: is it a coaching issue potentially? You know, I mean,

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Speaker 8: I don't know what Andrew Wibbs is doing about it,

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Speaker 8: but it's I think it's time to try something else.

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Speaker 6: With my wife.

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Speaker 8: She's a massive Dell and fan.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure it's not the first time you've been in

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Speaker 2: If it's only on a rugby league selection, I think

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Speaker 2: you're probably doing okay. Thanks for the call, mate. I

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Speaker 2: just feel like they'll make a change. He's in the

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Speaker 2: spotlight and like I said, he is absolutely on defense

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Speaker 2: in a no win situation. Often if he stays out,

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Speaker 2: as Elisa suggested, then there's the possibility that the you know,

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Speaker 2: there's a line break on the inside. You mean, shuffle

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Speaker 2: a good idea. Isn't it that you come in and

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Speaker 2: you make the person who's making the pass on this occasion,

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Speaker 2: Karen Forn, you make him make a more difficult pass.

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Speaker 2: The one that's the cutout pass has to get past

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Speaker 2: You're asking him to be a lot more accurate with that.

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Speaker 2: If you shuffle in, if it's just a short pass

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Speaker 2: Damned if he doesn't. But rugby league folk, tell me

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Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty. Educate us all what should be happy

427
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Speaker 2: in these situations? Or is it as simple as the

428
00:23:08,787 --> 00:23:12,427
Speaker 2: fact that Boyd Cape well, why Tennis Elisniak is just

429
00:23:13,027 --> 00:23:15,707
Speaker 2: a combination that has not developed enough to have connection

430
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Speaker 2: half past twelve lines, open spear one there if you

431
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Speaker 2: want to jump on, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten

432
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Speaker 2: eighty back with more of your calls after this.

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Speaker 1: It's more than just a game. Weekend sport with Jason

434
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Speaker 1: Fine and GJ. Garnomes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder

435
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Speaker 1: news Dogs, they'd be news talks.

436
00:23:33,587 --> 00:23:36,227
Speaker 2: They'll be twenty seven to one talking the Warriors back

437
00:23:36,227 --> 00:23:37,867
Speaker 2: to the lines at the moment Golden rule in foot.

438
00:23:37,867 --> 00:23:39,267
Speaker 2: He says, this text the man of the balls the

439
00:23:39,267 --> 00:23:44,547
Speaker 2: most dangerous, So coming in is the right idea. I've

440
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Speaker 2: asked a lot of people about this who know a

441
00:23:46,067 --> 00:23:47,987
Speaker 2: lot more about rugby league than me, and they all

442
00:23:48,027 --> 00:23:51,507
Speaker 2: say that there is no one right way. But coming

443
00:23:51,547 --> 00:23:56,187
Speaker 2: in from your wing on defense is most of the

444
00:23:56,267 --> 00:23:58,827
Speaker 2: time the right thing to do for the reason that

445
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Speaker 2: that text just outlined the man with the balls the

446
00:24:00,987 --> 00:24:05,587
Speaker 2: most dangerous, and you make the opposition make a more

447
00:24:05,627 --> 00:24:09,067
Speaker 2: difficult part us one, which is a cutout pass. And

448
00:24:09,067 --> 00:24:11,307
Speaker 2: that cutout pass has been successful for teams against the

449
00:24:11,347 --> 00:24:14,227
Speaker 2: Warriors quite often in recent times. And so that's why

450
00:24:14,267 --> 00:24:17,787
Speaker 2: the spotlight is falling on Delan White, Tennis Lesniak and

451
00:24:17,907 --> 00:24:21,267
Speaker 2: his decision making. Here's Kurk Capewell's view last night on

452
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Speaker 2: the right each defense.

453
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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's obviously something we've had to work on. I'm

454
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Speaker 9: not usually out there in the center's next to dur

455
00:24:26,867 --> 00:24:29,547
Speaker 9: but credit to him, he's adjusted really well. I thought

456
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Speaker 9: we made some improvements during the week. Obviously, they scored

457
00:24:32,707 --> 00:24:34,507
Speaker 9: that second try down our edge. But I thought we

458
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Speaker 9: made some improvements. And you know, it's a tough, tough

459
00:24:37,627 --> 00:24:39,987
Speaker 9: position out there, and you know the last night of

460
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Speaker 9: defense and a lot of the time you compyed a

461
00:24:42,747 --> 00:24:46,107
Speaker 9: slack for it. But yeah, credit to Delaney, he steps

462
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Speaker 9: up and does the job. And yeah, I thought we've improved.

463
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Speaker 10: The guys playing in different positions like Kirk can play,

464
00:24:52,627 --> 00:24:55,787
Speaker 10: and he's got a lot of experience at playing different

465
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Speaker 10: positions in his crew.

466
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Speaker 2: But we're dying to getting back to the back row.

467
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Speaker 11: You know, we're dying too.

468
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Speaker 10: But I mean Ali didn't finish the game again today

469
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Speaker 10: and you so last cup, Rocco's still out. So aye,

470
00:25:08,467 --> 00:25:10,827
Speaker 10: that's what we're being given right now. And like I said,

471
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Speaker 10: I trust that we'll make the right improvements and get better.

472
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Speaker 2: So there you go. That's Kirk Cable first of all.

473
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Speaker 2: And then Andrew Webster, like his hands are tied in

474
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Speaker 2: many ways in terms of the players he has at

475
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Speaker 2: his disposal. He doesn't want Kirk Cable playing in the centers.

476
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Speaker 2: It must rather have Rocko Berry there or Ali La

477
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Speaker 2: Lata Layatawa. But he's got to deal with the cards

478
00:25:30,107 --> 00:25:33,147
Speaker 2: he's been dealt at the moment. In terms of the

479
00:25:33,267 --> 00:25:35,787
Speaker 2: players at his disposal, doesn't he Oh eight hundred and

480
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Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty is our number for your views, Phil,

481
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Speaker 2: What did you see?

482
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Speaker 12: Oh, I've seen trouble down that right inside. Unfortunately, like

483
00:25:45,907 --> 00:25:49,747
Speaker 12: everybody's been saying, poor old Dylan, he's gonna We talked

484
00:25:49,787 --> 00:25:50,987
Speaker 12: about a lot I think today.

485
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Speaker 7: Yeah.

486
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Speaker 12: Well, the more I'm listening, the more I think. And

487
00:25:54,187 --> 00:25:56,787
Speaker 12: I don't know what to do because I you know,

488
00:25:56,947 --> 00:26:00,507
Speaker 12: it seems obvious that he comes and off off as

489
00:26:00,627 --> 00:26:04,587
Speaker 12: man and then opens up that the gap to be

490
00:26:05,427 --> 00:26:07,387
Speaker 12: on the outside of him. But then, like you say,

491
00:26:07,427 --> 00:26:09,787
Speaker 12: if he if he stayed on the outside, then he

492
00:26:09,827 --> 00:26:11,867
Speaker 12: go up the gap for the run on the inside.

493
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Speaker 12: So yeah, I might have been a bit harsh on

494
00:26:14,307 --> 00:26:17,347
Speaker 12: him too, because I was going to say what most

495
00:26:17,387 --> 00:26:20,467
Speaker 12: people were saying, that that's he's a great player, and

496
00:26:20,547 --> 00:26:23,227
Speaker 12: he makes some good hard runs up the middle and that,

497
00:26:23,907 --> 00:26:28,427
Speaker 12: but he has that problem of leaving his side his

498
00:26:29,267 --> 00:26:32,107
Speaker 12: side exposed. But interesting too because I don't know if

499
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Speaker 12: you've seen it, but they were talking to forum afterwards

500
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Speaker 12: as well, and he said the same thing when he

501
00:26:37,947 --> 00:26:40,867
Speaker 12: got that he threw that great cutout pass and the

502
00:26:40,907 --> 00:26:43,587
Speaker 12: guy got the Troy and he said he didn't even

503
00:26:43,707 --> 00:26:48,507
Speaker 12: have to look, but he knew from that there's probably

504
00:26:48,547 --> 00:26:50,427
Speaker 12: is going to be an open you know that that

505
00:26:50,587 --> 00:26:53,427
Speaker 12: was going to happen with wasn't Dylan coming in? So

506
00:26:53,587 --> 00:26:57,387
Speaker 12: he threw the pass without even really looking for a start, I.

507
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Speaker 2: Didn't see that. Yeah, and they will do their prep

508
00:26:59,827 --> 00:27:02,547
Speaker 2: done they field, they will do their prep and and yeah,

509
00:27:02,827 --> 00:27:05,347
Speaker 2: someone said on takes the same thing that he said afterwards,

510
00:27:05,387 --> 00:27:07,667
Speaker 2: that they did their home work and new And I

511
00:27:07,747 --> 00:27:10,667
Speaker 2: think most wingers probably do the same, you know. And

512
00:27:10,907 --> 00:27:13,787
Speaker 2: and they come in because you know it's man, it's

513
00:27:13,947 --> 00:27:16,667
Speaker 2: the man with the balls the most dangerous, So you know,

514
00:27:16,987 --> 00:27:20,147
Speaker 2: I guess you make a calculated decision to come in

515
00:27:20,467 --> 00:27:23,627
Speaker 2: and look if the ball gets if someone throws the

516
00:27:23,667 --> 00:27:26,227
Speaker 2: pass like Karen Foran did last night, or like you

517
00:27:26,307 --> 00:27:29,587
Speaker 2: know other players have against Latroll. Mitchell did one for

518
00:27:29,707 --> 00:27:32,507
Speaker 2: Souths against the Warriors a few weeks back, which exposed

519
00:27:32,547 --> 00:27:35,187
Speaker 2: that edge again. Yes, you kind of shrug your shoulders

520
00:27:35,187 --> 00:27:36,707
Speaker 2: and say, well, good luck to you if you've managed

521
00:27:36,747 --> 00:27:39,587
Speaker 2: to make the pass. We will take the risk that

522
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Speaker 2: that you're going to be able to do that.

523
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Speaker 12: Yeah, I'll tell you the other thing too that I

524
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Speaker 12: tell you. The other thing point that I noticed too,

525
00:27:47,227 --> 00:27:50,147
Speaker 12: was when it all turned around, and it turned around

526
00:27:50,227 --> 00:27:52,347
Speaker 12: so quick, like you say, after ten minutes, and it

527
00:27:52,427 --> 00:27:54,187
Speaker 12: just changed completely. And I think they had a bit

528
00:27:54,227 --> 00:27:56,067
Speaker 12: to do with eating going off as well, because they

529
00:27:56,107 --> 00:27:57,707
Speaker 12: seemed to sort of loose a bit of direction I

530
00:27:57,787 --> 00:28:01,267
Speaker 12: think then and the ideas. But the other thing that

531
00:28:01,347 --> 00:28:04,187
Speaker 12: I noticed that was happening, and it was sort of

532
00:28:04,267 --> 00:28:06,947
Speaker 12: like going back to the Warriors of the they were

533
00:28:07,027 --> 00:28:10,227
Speaker 12: letting the other side. I don't let them, that's the right,

534
00:28:10,667 --> 00:28:13,147
Speaker 12: but they were letting the other side do a lot

535
00:28:13,227 --> 00:28:16,027
Speaker 12: of offloads, you know, and they were keeping the ball alive,

536
00:28:16,187 --> 00:28:20,707
Speaker 12: you know, and creating creating opportunities. And in the past,

537
00:28:21,827 --> 00:28:24,547
Speaker 12: I think when the Warriors have been beaten, well, they've

538
00:28:24,587 --> 00:28:27,667
Speaker 12: been guilty of not tying that ball up and teams

539
00:28:27,707 --> 00:28:30,427
Speaker 12: have been getting those offloads out, you know, when in

540
00:28:30,547 --> 00:28:32,867
Speaker 12: the tackle so they can keep running on and creating

541
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Speaker 12: an opportunity. And I noticed that was happening a bit

542
00:28:34,787 --> 00:28:36,747
Speaker 12: last night with Titan still in that too.

543
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Speaker 7: Yeah.

544
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Speaker 2: It's interesting, uh, And it's a very interesting time for

545
00:28:44,107 --> 00:28:47,347
Speaker 2: Andrew Webster. Phil it is something I'm sure that he's

546
00:28:47,587 --> 00:28:50,027
Speaker 2: you know, that he's racking his brains about but he

547
00:28:50,107 --> 00:28:51,707
Speaker 2: gets you know, I'll play a little bit of audio

548
00:28:51,787 --> 00:28:55,227
Speaker 2: from him. He you know, he was asked about selection

549
00:28:55,427 --> 00:28:57,587
Speaker 2: changes last night and whether he might look at doing

550
00:28:58,027 --> 00:29:02,787
Speaker 2: something differently and you know next week he was asked

551
00:29:02,787 --> 00:29:06,267
Speaker 2: whether Tane to while Picky was an option to come

552
00:29:06,467 --> 00:29:08,627
Speaker 2: to the side, turns an option every week.

553
00:29:08,707 --> 00:29:11,187
Speaker 10: Man Like, he's a good player, but I'm certainly not

554
00:29:11,267 --> 00:29:13,547
Speaker 10: going to be starting to pick teams half an hour

555
00:29:13,627 --> 00:29:17,107
Speaker 10: or an hour after the game's finished. Well, like I said,

556
00:29:17,187 --> 00:29:19,347
Speaker 10: I've got complete confidence in everyone.

557
00:29:19,467 --> 00:29:22,027
Speaker 2: So we have a selection meeting every week, and.

558
00:29:23,547 --> 00:29:25,147
Speaker 10: There's a lot of good players that make it hard

559
00:29:25,187 --> 00:29:27,947
Speaker 10: to pick the best seven eight. But whoever plays, we

560
00:29:28,067 --> 00:29:29,147
Speaker 10: believe in them one hundred percent.

561
00:29:29,387 --> 00:29:31,987
Speaker 2: It's the words of Andrew Webster afterwards. The other part

562
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Speaker 2: I'm interested to hear from you about thanks for your call, Phil,

563
00:29:34,827 --> 00:29:38,067
Speaker 2: is whether you still believe this team to be a

564
00:29:38,107 --> 00:29:42,267
Speaker 2: top four proposition. They're fourth at the moment, so clearly

565
00:29:42,347 --> 00:29:46,467
Speaker 2: they're in the mix, But then you start to do

566
00:29:46,587 --> 00:29:49,427
Speaker 2: some calculations around what it might look like over the

567
00:29:49,507 --> 00:29:54,107
Speaker 2: next six matches. The Warriors a fourth on thirty points,

568
00:29:55,707 --> 00:29:58,427
Speaker 2: and with the Broncos losing to the Eels, on Friday night,

569
00:29:58,547 --> 00:30:01,667
Speaker 2: the gap back to the Broncos stays at four points.

570
00:30:02,187 --> 00:30:04,507
Speaker 2: The Broncos lost, the Warriors lost, so no change in

571
00:30:04,547 --> 00:30:09,187
Speaker 2: the gap between them. The Panthers, though, are the problem.

572
00:30:10,387 --> 00:30:14,587
Speaker 2: The Panthers are now starting to find their mojo again,

573
00:30:14,627 --> 00:30:17,587
Speaker 2: which is a worry not just for the Warriors but

574
00:30:17,747 --> 00:30:21,027
Speaker 2: for the rest of the competition. They comfortably accounted for

575
00:30:21,107 --> 00:30:23,187
Speaker 2: the Tigers last night, they jumped over the top of

576
00:30:23,227 --> 00:30:29,267
Speaker 2: the Broncos into fifth spot. They're up to twenty seven points,

577
00:30:29,907 --> 00:30:34,587
Speaker 2: just three now behind the Warriors. They've won seven straight

578
00:30:34,747 --> 00:30:38,707
Speaker 2: games seven. They are on an absolute role the Panthers,

579
00:30:39,627 --> 00:30:43,027
Speaker 2: and furthermore, they have the opportunity to shake up the

580
00:30:43,107 --> 00:30:46,387
Speaker 2: top four because they still have to play the top three.

581
00:30:46,947 --> 00:30:50,027
Speaker 2: They play the Storm in round twenty four. Are sorry

582
00:30:50,067 --> 00:30:55,587
Speaker 2: not Round twenty four on the twenty fourth of next month?

583
00:30:55,667 --> 00:30:55,707
Speaker 5: Is?

584
00:30:55,867 --> 00:30:57,387
Speaker 2: Or have I just written that down wrong? They play

585
00:30:57,387 --> 00:31:01,147
Speaker 2: the Storm anyway, then the Raiders, then the Bulldogs in

586
00:31:01,267 --> 00:31:05,467
Speaker 2: three consecutive matches, Storm, Raiders, Bulldogs. The teams that are second, first,

587
00:31:05,507 --> 00:31:07,707
Speaker 2: and third. At the moment, I've got the Panthers making

588
00:31:07,747 --> 00:31:11,867
Speaker 2: the top four. I've got them making it, and it

589
00:31:11,947 --> 00:31:13,707
Speaker 2: feels as though the sides that are the most danger,

590
00:31:13,747 --> 00:31:16,067
Speaker 2: as I said before, are the Warriors and the Bulldogs.

591
00:31:16,627 --> 00:31:18,187
Speaker 2: I think you can put the Raiders and the Storm

592
00:31:18,227 --> 00:31:19,987
Speaker 2: into the top four. I think ian pencil them in

593
00:31:20,507 --> 00:31:22,227
Speaker 2: their forms good enough. What are the Raiders won their

594
00:31:22,267 --> 00:31:25,947
Speaker 2: last four, the Storm of four of their last five. Below,

595
00:31:26,027 --> 00:31:27,707
Speaker 2: then the Bulldogs and the Warriors are the ones who

596
00:31:27,747 --> 00:31:30,507
Speaker 2: are heading the skids a little bit. I think the

597
00:31:30,587 --> 00:31:34,027
Speaker 2: Panthers are in irresistible form and they will charge up

598
00:31:34,427 --> 00:31:36,267
Speaker 2: into the force. So it's the Warriors of the Bulldogs

599
00:31:36,787 --> 00:31:38,347
Speaker 2: as to who drops out. Then you look ahead to

600
00:31:38,387 --> 00:31:41,907
Speaker 2: their clash in a couple of weeks time, and you

601
00:31:41,947 --> 00:31:48,027
Speaker 2: think that is potentially top four defining, isn't it nineteen

602
00:31:48,067 --> 00:31:48,867
Speaker 2: to one? Could they mark?

603
00:31:50,827 --> 00:31:53,227
Speaker 13: Hey boney, Yeah, I'm a little bit worried to the

604
00:31:53,347 --> 00:31:56,547
Speaker 13: last two games. They haven't looked particularly, haven't played really well.

605
00:31:56,587 --> 00:31:59,107
Speaker 13: They probably didn't deserve to win. I mean that Alisumerchai

606
00:31:59,347 --> 00:32:02,347
Speaker 13: was sort of at the end, probably wasn't deserved against

607
00:32:02,387 --> 00:32:05,227
Speaker 13: the Knights. But yeah, yesterday. You know, some teams just

608
00:32:05,307 --> 00:32:08,787
Speaker 13: don't play well against other teams in the NRL. And

609
00:32:08,907 --> 00:32:12,587
Speaker 13: you know, obviously last year they got Dick sixty six

610
00:32:12,707 --> 00:32:18,747
Speaker 13: sixth something wasn't it. So yeah, I think they're struggling

611
00:32:18,787 --> 00:32:21,787
Speaker 13: after Metcalf left to find that player who's leading them

612
00:32:21,787 --> 00:32:24,467
Speaker 13: around the fielder. I think Egan as the last call

613
00:32:24,507 --> 00:32:26,627
Speaker 13: of said sort of they missed him when he went off.

614
00:32:26,667 --> 00:32:28,987
Speaker 13: He makes a hell of a lot of ground up

615
00:32:29,027 --> 00:32:31,347
Speaker 13: the middle around the rocky area and sort of sort

616
00:32:31,347 --> 00:32:33,507
Speaker 13: of takes over that role. And I mean, you know,

617
00:32:33,667 --> 00:32:35,987
Speaker 13: Boyd coming in, it's a hell of an ask for

618
00:32:36,107 --> 00:32:39,387
Speaker 13: someone who's been playing you know, reserve grade, and I

619
00:32:39,547 --> 00:32:41,627
Speaker 13: know he's been in the NRL, but he probably wasn't

620
00:32:41,627 --> 00:32:44,027
Speaker 13: as the top player, probably still isn't to sort of

621
00:32:44,587 --> 00:32:46,947
Speaker 13: lead a team around the park. You know, expect that

622
00:32:47,107 --> 00:32:50,067
Speaker 13: straight off the bat two or three weeks into the job,

623
00:32:50,107 --> 00:32:51,547
Speaker 13: which is going to have to do for the rest

624
00:32:51,587 --> 00:32:56,067
Speaker 13: of the season. But yeah, I mean the NRL season

625
00:32:56,187 --> 00:32:59,827
Speaker 13: is so long, and I mean the injuries just takes

626
00:32:59,867 --> 00:33:02,307
Speaker 13: a toll on every single team, and I think that's

627
00:33:02,427 --> 00:33:04,387
Speaker 13: what the Warriors are having to struggle with. And I

628
00:33:04,467 --> 00:33:07,987
Speaker 13: mean Webb's you know, every time he's interviewed, he's just

629
00:33:08,147 --> 00:33:12,347
Speaker 13: basically saying, well, we get dealt these things, like players

630
00:33:12,347 --> 00:33:14,587
Speaker 13: get injured. It's the nature of rugby league, and we

631
00:33:14,747 --> 00:33:16,347
Speaker 13: just have to deal with it. And I don't think

632
00:33:16,427 --> 00:33:19,867
Speaker 13: Kate Well's you know, a natural in his natural position

633
00:33:19,987 --> 00:33:22,067
Speaker 13: out there. But yeah, it would be good to get

634
00:33:22,107 --> 00:33:24,627
Speaker 13: some players back, and some of it will come down

635
00:33:24,707 --> 00:33:26,627
Speaker 13: to how many injuries we get, you.

636
00:33:26,627 --> 00:33:29,787
Speaker 2: Know, oh absolutely, And you're right. You can you can

637
00:33:29,907 --> 00:33:33,267
Speaker 2: say you can plan for the fact that you'll get injuries,

638
00:33:33,747 --> 00:33:38,827
Speaker 2: but when they arrive, you're always not necessarily scrambling, but

639
00:33:39,027 --> 00:33:41,947
Speaker 2: you are going to plan B at the least and

640
00:33:42,067 --> 00:33:44,867
Speaker 2: then plans C. There's no way Kirk cape Well, if

641
00:33:44,907 --> 00:33:46,227
Speaker 2: at the start of the year you were picking your

642
00:33:46,267 --> 00:33:49,827
Speaker 2: best centers, he would be part of it. He's plugging

643
00:33:49,867 --> 00:33:53,867
Speaker 2: a gap there. Andrew Webster said, we can't wait to

644
00:33:53,947 --> 00:33:57,227
Speaker 2: get Kirk back into the back row. But you got

645
00:33:57,307 --> 00:34:01,747
Speaker 2: to play somebody there. Thanks Mark, appreciate your callers always.

646
00:34:01,947 --> 00:34:06,307
Speaker 14: Hello Brent, Hey, Yeah, just about the Warriors last time.

647
00:34:06,627 --> 00:34:11,187
Speaker 14: Very disappointed in the result and like a previous course

648
00:34:11,227 --> 00:34:14,387
Speaker 14: setting and everything to pay for. But there's no easy

649
00:34:14,467 --> 00:34:18,507
Speaker 14: ones in that game and that competition that they all

650
00:34:18,627 --> 00:34:23,307
Speaker 14: have games and yeah, it's just the right wings. Titans

651
00:34:23,347 --> 00:34:25,547
Speaker 14: were bad to hungry for them and uh yeah, I

652
00:34:25,587 --> 00:34:30,307
Speaker 14: think when when the Walker went down, that was basically

653
00:34:30,467 --> 00:34:34,427
Speaker 14: it they seen the loiseaber of direction and the previous

654
00:34:34,467 --> 00:34:37,827
Speaker 14: coors have said. And in terms of had the top

655
00:34:37,907 --> 00:34:40,587
Speaker 14: four teams and end up at the end of the season,

656
00:34:40,627 --> 00:34:45,667
Speaker 14: I reckon it will be a Panthers uh Raters final

657
00:34:46,667 --> 00:34:50,387
Speaker 14: uh And the Warriors are probably end up finishing about

658
00:34:50,467 --> 00:34:53,067
Speaker 14: seth or even sixth the way they go at the moment,

659
00:34:53,147 --> 00:34:56,827
Speaker 14: I can't send them beating the Dolphins. And he's from

660
00:34:56,867 --> 00:34:58,707
Speaker 14: now on things are going to be interesting to see

661
00:34:58,747 --> 00:35:01,027
Speaker 14: everything pans out. But I reckon the Grand Final will

662
00:35:01,067 --> 00:35:03,867
Speaker 14: be the Raiders and the Panthers.

663
00:35:04,387 --> 00:35:07,627
Speaker 2: Yeah, I look at it's one asolute possibility. I reckon

664
00:35:07,667 --> 00:35:09,587
Speaker 2: there are a chance against the Dolphins. You know, Brett,

665
00:35:10,587 --> 00:35:13,787
Speaker 2: you know it's at home. Was it last last year

666
00:35:13,907 --> 00:35:18,067
Speaker 2: when they were beaten by the Titans in that inexplicable

667
00:35:18,107 --> 00:35:20,467
Speaker 2: game when they lost sixty six to six? The next

668
00:35:20,507 --> 00:35:22,147
Speaker 2: week they turned up and beat the Broncos who were

669
00:35:22,147 --> 00:35:25,427
Speaker 2: going along pretty nicely thirty to eighteen or something similar

670
00:35:25,467 --> 00:35:28,147
Speaker 2: to that. So I do rate their bounce backability against

671
00:35:28,147 --> 00:35:30,507
Speaker 2: the Dolphins. It is shaping is a pretty big game,

672
00:35:30,627 --> 00:35:33,227
Speaker 2: no Egan, As you say, what do they do in

673
00:35:33,227 --> 00:35:35,227
Speaker 2: the scene, is they probably haven't got the opportunity to

674
00:35:35,267 --> 00:35:37,227
Speaker 2: bring back Berry or Leahtawa, so it's going to be

675
00:35:37,307 --> 00:35:39,947
Speaker 2: largely the same team apart from a change at hooker.

676
00:35:40,307 --> 00:35:43,907
Speaker 2: I still back them to win that game. It's shaping

677
00:35:43,987 --> 00:35:47,387
Speaker 2: as pretty crucial to their top four hopes, and if

678
00:35:47,427 --> 00:35:49,707
Speaker 2: they weren't to win it, I think you're right, they're

679
00:35:49,747 --> 00:35:54,147
Speaker 2: probably more a fifth or sixth proposition. So they got

680
00:35:54,227 --> 00:35:59,387
Speaker 2: next week Dolphins Dolphins off, Riday off. Yeah, that's the

681
00:35:59,467 --> 00:35:59,787
Speaker 2: next one.

682
00:35:59,827 --> 00:36:04,067
Speaker 14: Then they've got the Titans.

683
00:36:04,307 --> 00:36:06,067
Speaker 5: That they look.

684
00:36:06,147 --> 00:36:11,667
Speaker 2: Yeah, the remaining games Dolphins at home, Bulldogs away. That's obviously. Look,

685
00:36:11,707 --> 00:36:15,667
Speaker 2: if they could beat the Dolphins, they'll go to Canterbury

686
00:36:15,747 --> 00:36:17,387
Speaker 2: with a you know, a bit of a spring in

687
00:36:17,427 --> 00:36:20,347
Speaker 2: their step and a chance to if they beat the Bulldogs.

688
00:36:20,387 --> 00:36:23,707
Speaker 2: I think that really does you know, say, okay, they're back.

689
00:36:24,147 --> 00:36:26,907
Speaker 2: Then the Dragons at home, the Titans away, the Eels

690
00:36:26,947 --> 00:36:29,707
Speaker 2: at home and the Sea Eagles away. It's not the

691
00:36:29,867 --> 00:36:32,707
Speaker 2: toughest running in the world, but it's just hey, brind

692
00:36:32,747 --> 00:36:34,747
Speaker 2: there's no easy games. Last night proved that.

693
00:36:35,107 --> 00:36:38,707
Speaker 14: No, no, there's no games and the Dragons will be

694
00:36:38,827 --> 00:36:42,547
Speaker 14: tough to beat. Yep, they really have to be on

695
00:36:42,867 --> 00:36:45,987
Speaker 14: for those. For the remaining games, Dragons and Dolans will

696
00:36:46,027 --> 00:36:48,867
Speaker 14: both be hard games they should get over the years.

697
00:36:49,547 --> 00:36:52,427
Speaker 14: There won't be an easy game either because they took

698
00:36:52,507 --> 00:36:55,427
Speaker 14: up the Broncos. So it's going to be interesting and

699
00:36:56,507 --> 00:36:58,747
Speaker 14: hopefully you can get a few of us of players

700
00:36:58,827 --> 00:37:01,867
Speaker 14: back and crack on, crack on.

701
00:37:01,987 --> 00:37:05,387
Speaker 2: Indeed, Brent, good thoughts is always from you make callback anytime,

702
00:37:05,467 --> 00:37:06,627
Speaker 2: thirteen away from my back.

703
00:37:06,667 --> 00:37:10,787
Speaker 1: After this the Tough Questions Off the Turf Weekend Sport

704
00:37:11,067 --> 00:37:15,027
Speaker 1: with Jason Hyne and GJ. Gunnerholmes, New Zealand's most trusted

705
00:37:15,107 --> 00:37:16,507
Speaker 1: home builders.

706
00:37:17,627 --> 00:37:19,627
Speaker 2: Coming up ten to one. A couple of minutes spare

707
00:37:19,627 --> 00:37:20,787
Speaker 2: if you want to jump on and give us your

708
00:37:20,787 --> 00:37:24,067
Speaker 2: final thoughts on the Warriors. Could Roger play center? Asks Sean, Well,

709
00:37:24,107 --> 00:37:27,347
Speaker 2: he could. He played center quite often last year from memory,

710
00:37:27,467 --> 00:37:29,907
Speaker 2: I'm not sure it would be called a raging success.

711
00:37:30,547 --> 00:37:32,667
Speaker 2: I really like him on the wing, but yes, Roger

712
00:37:32,867 --> 00:37:36,467
Speaker 2: two I Vasishek could potentially shift into the centers. Adrian

713
00:37:36,587 --> 00:37:40,787
Speaker 2: High Hello, there, Hei, very good, very good. Thanks.

714
00:37:41,707 --> 00:37:45,907
Speaker 15: I'm very pleased to hear that you're such a strong

715
00:37:45,987 --> 00:37:51,227
Speaker 15: supporter of the Warriors. It's a great thing and they

716
00:37:51,347 --> 00:37:56,827
Speaker 15: deserve every part of that. Just quickly, look the poor

717
00:37:56,867 --> 00:38:01,267
Speaker 15: winger Dylan is it he look? I just feel that

718
00:38:01,627 --> 00:38:05,427
Speaker 15: since he was injured, he hasn't been the same player,

719
00:38:05,827 --> 00:38:09,067
Speaker 15: you know, and maybe a bit of confidence has gone

720
00:38:09,307 --> 00:38:13,267
Speaker 15: from him there, which could be one of the factors.

721
00:38:13,907 --> 00:38:16,987
Speaker 15: The other thing that I would like to see is

722
00:38:18,067 --> 00:38:20,947
Speaker 15: it comes down to fitness. When you have your players

723
00:38:20,987 --> 00:38:26,227
Speaker 15: in the forwards, Why doesn't one man get out of

724
00:38:26,307 --> 00:38:30,027
Speaker 15: that rug position and get across the field when they

725
00:38:30,147 --> 00:38:32,867
Speaker 15: know the balls going out wide. Why don't we get

726
00:38:32,907 --> 00:38:37,107
Speaker 15: a cover player who is pretty fit and get across there,

727
00:38:37,467 --> 00:38:41,267
Speaker 15: just to be that extra cover in case that center

728
00:38:41,347 --> 00:38:46,227
Speaker 15: gets through. You know, I think the cover out there,

729
00:38:46,227 --> 00:38:48,107
Speaker 15: a lot of our players just think, oh, well we've

730
00:38:48,147 --> 00:38:51,747
Speaker 15: done our job in the scrum or whatever whatever running

731
00:38:51,787 --> 00:38:54,547
Speaker 15: up the medal. But there needs to be a cover

732
00:38:54,707 --> 00:38:59,227
Speaker 15: player that gets right across there in case that breaks through.

733
00:38:59,747 --> 00:39:05,507
Speaker 15: And why are the new South Wales team winning so

734
00:39:05,667 --> 00:39:12,467
Speaker 15: many games and playing so well that you know, who

735
00:39:12,507 --> 00:39:15,787
Speaker 15: are the players that are causing them to win so

736
00:39:15,947 --> 00:39:18,787
Speaker 15: many games? Surely they should be looked at to come

737
00:39:18,827 --> 00:39:20,827
Speaker 15: into the Warriors and they may have already done that.

738
00:39:20,987 --> 00:39:24,867
Speaker 2: I don't know, but oh, you're talking the new South

739
00:39:24,907 --> 00:39:29,067
Speaker 2: Wales Cup team. Adrian the second team. In other words, yes, yes, no, Well,

740
00:39:29,307 --> 00:39:31,547
Speaker 2: Tane tow or Pikey is playing brilliantly for them, and

741
00:39:31,667 --> 00:39:33,347
Speaker 2: as you know, he's played a bit of first grade

742
00:39:34,027 --> 00:39:36,627
Speaker 2: and look, I think he's the obvious one, and there

743
00:39:36,667 --> 00:39:39,427
Speaker 2: are others as well, and a few of the names

744
00:39:39,467 --> 00:39:42,067
Speaker 2: that have been thrown around, but yeah, that's.

745
00:39:41,947 --> 00:39:42,427
Speaker 5: What you have.

746
00:39:42,827 --> 00:39:47,787
Speaker 2: Your reserve grade four is to provide depth. And look,

747
00:39:48,747 --> 00:39:52,027
Speaker 2: at some point, yeah that I think, Dellan, you've hit

748
00:39:52,067 --> 00:39:54,267
Speaker 2: on something interesting. You know, maybe there is still a

749
00:39:54,267 --> 00:39:56,547
Speaker 2: little bit of a lack of confidence from the injury

750
00:39:56,587 --> 00:39:58,187
Speaker 2: which kept him out for what a couple of three

751
00:39:58,227 --> 00:39:59,747
Speaker 2: months at the start of the season. Maybe he's just

752
00:39:59,787 --> 00:40:02,507
Speaker 2: not quite as confident. And look, you got Sindon last

753
00:40:02,587 --> 00:40:05,827
Speaker 2: night as well. That was unfortunate. He kind of reacted

754
00:40:05,867 --> 00:40:09,307
Speaker 2: to a situa and found himself tackling somebody without the ball.

755
00:40:09,427 --> 00:40:12,867
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's you just don't want it to become

756
00:40:12,907 --> 00:40:14,667
Speaker 2: a spiral, Adrien. I don't think you don't want it

757
00:40:14,667 --> 00:40:16,427
Speaker 2: to spiral down and down and down and then all

758
00:40:16,467 --> 00:40:18,267
Speaker 2: of a sudden, you know, you're finding it hard to

759
00:40:18,307 --> 00:40:22,787
Speaker 2: climb out. They're still fourth, and I do still back them.

760
00:40:22,827 --> 00:40:25,747
Speaker 2: They're they're the team I follows as a as a

761
00:40:25,827 --> 00:40:27,707
Speaker 2: rugby league outfit.

762
00:40:28,347 --> 00:40:28,747
Speaker 4: We all do.

763
00:40:28,907 --> 00:40:30,987
Speaker 2: We all want them to play well. We are allowed

764
00:40:31,027 --> 00:40:32,707
Speaker 2: to critique them as you have as well. Thanks for

765
00:40:32,787 --> 00:40:34,547
Speaker 2: calling through seven to one u S talks it.

766
00:40:34,587 --> 00:40:38,667
Speaker 1: BT's Sue from the Track fields and and the Court

767
00:40:38,947 --> 00:40:42,187
Speaker 1: on your home of sort weekends for it with Jason

768
00:40:42,307 --> 00:40:43,667
Speaker 1: Vine and used talks MB.

769
00:40:44,107 --> 00:40:46,067
Speaker 2: Four to one. Hey, thanks for your cause and correspondence

770
00:40:46,107 --> 00:40:48,187
Speaker 2: on the Warriors always good to chat it through the

771
00:40:48,267 --> 00:40:51,107
Speaker 2: day after they play Friday night against the Dolphins, so

772
00:40:51,427 --> 00:40:54,787
Speaker 2: I guess on Saturday we can we can review that one.

773
00:40:55,107 --> 00:40:57,907
Speaker 2: I honestly back them to bounce back, as I say

774
00:40:57,947 --> 00:41:00,307
Speaker 2: they did last year when they lost to the Titan terribly.

775
00:41:01,427 --> 00:41:04,827
Speaker 2: They have sean bounce back ability this team. Tuesday is

776
00:41:04,907 --> 00:41:08,267
Speaker 2: team naming day, so it'll be very interesting to see

777
00:41:08,907 --> 00:41:12,347
Speaker 2: what Andrew Webster decides to do around team selection. His

778
00:41:12,467 --> 00:41:15,067
Speaker 2: hands are tied in some ways, in others, he does

779
00:41:15,187 --> 00:41:18,827
Speaker 2: have the ability to make some changes if he wants to.

780
00:41:19,427 --> 00:41:21,667
Speaker 2: After one o'clock, we're going to look at a major

781
00:41:21,747 --> 00:41:24,947
Speaker 2: shakeup in the New Zealand sports broadcasting market. In the

782
00:41:24,987 --> 00:41:25,547
Speaker 2: past week.

783
00:41:27,027 --> 00:41:29,867
Speaker 1: The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on

784
00:41:30,307 --> 00:41:31,427
Speaker 1: and afterfield.

785
00:41:31,987 --> 00:41:34,547
Speaker 7: It's all on Wig and Sport with Jason.

786
00:41:34,307 --> 00:41:36,427
Speaker 1: Vane on your Home of Sport.

787
00:41:40,227 --> 00:41:42,427
Speaker 2: Welcome back into the show. One oh seven. Mary says

788
00:41:42,467 --> 00:41:44,587
Speaker 2: on text Piney, you can blame me for the Warriors

789
00:41:44,667 --> 00:41:48,907
Speaker 2: losing last night. I finally got a supporter. Shit you

790
00:41:48,987 --> 00:41:52,027
Speaker 2: reckon you jinx. The Mary also asks Mary, did I

791
00:41:52,427 --> 00:41:55,187
Speaker 2: imagine that the black Caps won the Try Series final

792
00:41:55,307 --> 00:41:59,947
Speaker 2: by three runs overnight? You didn't imagine that, Mary, No,

793
00:42:00,787 --> 00:42:04,507
Speaker 2: the black Caps did. Indeed. When the Try Series Final

794
00:42:04,547 --> 00:42:07,267
Speaker 2: against South Africa by three runs over a real topsy

795
00:42:07,387 --> 00:42:10,787
Speaker 2: turvy game. New Zealand batting first one hundred and eighty

796
00:42:10,907 --> 00:42:15,707
Speaker 2: for five, Devin Conway forty seven off thirty one balls

797
00:42:15,827 --> 00:42:18,707
Speaker 2: right in Revendra forty seven off twenty seven won eighty

798
00:42:18,827 --> 00:42:23,147
Speaker 2: for five and South Africa well, it was really good

799
00:42:23,187 --> 00:42:27,467
Speaker 2: bowling through the middle overs by the black Cats from

800
00:42:27,547 --> 00:42:31,307
Speaker 2: over sort of twelve to seventeen they went for ten, eight, six, eight,

801
00:42:31,507 --> 00:42:34,867
Speaker 2: eight and five runs, meaning South Africa came to the

802
00:42:34,947 --> 00:42:38,987
Speaker 2: last three overs needing thirty seven of eighteen balls. But

803
00:42:39,107 --> 00:42:41,947
Speaker 2: then they took fifteen of Zach Folks in the eighteenth

804
00:42:42,027 --> 00:42:45,027
Speaker 2: over and fifteen off Jacob Duffy in the nineteenth so

805
00:42:45,107 --> 00:42:46,587
Speaker 2: all of a sudden they need just seven off the

806
00:42:46,667 --> 00:42:50,667
Speaker 2: final over. But step up the man of the moment,

807
00:42:50,787 --> 00:42:53,387
Speaker 2: as he has been so often in recent times in

808
00:42:53,427 --> 00:42:58,107
Speaker 2: all formats, Matt Henry the final over, he bowls a

809
00:42:58,147 --> 00:43:03,627
Speaker 2: dot ball. Then Michael Bracewell takes an absolute speck at

810
00:43:03,747 --> 00:43:08,707
Speaker 2: deep midwicket, incredible catch. Then it goes two and one,

811
00:43:08,947 --> 00:43:11,387
Speaker 2: and then Darryl Mitchell down at long on takes another

812
00:43:11,507 --> 00:43:14,787
Speaker 2: brilliant catch and so all of a sudden, South Africa

813
00:43:14,987 --> 00:43:18,147
Speaker 2: have got three off the first five balls. They need

814
00:43:18,227 --> 00:43:20,747
Speaker 2: a four off the last ball to force a super over,

815
00:43:21,427 --> 00:43:25,227
Speaker 2: and it's a dot. So Matt Henry's last over has

816
00:43:25,307 --> 00:43:27,907
Speaker 2: gone for three runs, He's picked up two wickets and

817
00:43:27,987 --> 00:43:31,147
Speaker 2: New Zealand have won by three runs. Terrific. Well done

818
00:43:31,187 --> 00:43:36,067
Speaker 2: to them, So five straight wins at this try series.

819
00:43:36,107 --> 00:43:39,347
Speaker 2: They beat South Africa twice in Paul Play, beat Zimbabwe

820
00:43:39,467 --> 00:43:41,267
Speaker 2: twice and Paul Play, and then won the final against

821
00:43:41,307 --> 00:43:44,347
Speaker 2: South Africa two Test matches. Now again Zimbabwe to come

822
00:43:44,387 --> 00:43:47,067
Speaker 2: over the next two or three weeks or so. I'm

823
00:43:47,107 --> 00:43:50,507
Speaker 2: going to talk sports broadcasting this hour very shortly.

824
00:43:50,747 --> 00:43:51,387
Speaker 5: I just want to.

825
00:43:52,907 --> 00:43:57,307
Speaker 2: Take you back though to last night massive controversy in

826
00:43:57,427 --> 00:44:00,667
Speaker 2: the second Wallabies Lions test last night. I'm not sure

827
00:44:00,707 --> 00:44:03,867
Speaker 2: if you've seen this, but the Aussies are winning the game.

828
00:44:04,267 --> 00:44:08,587
Speaker 2: Lines are hot on attack near the end and one

829
00:44:08,627 --> 00:44:11,747
Speaker 2: of the Lions players, reserved back rower Jack Morgan, comes

830
00:44:11,987 --> 00:44:16,907
Speaker 2: flying in and cleans out Carlo Tuzano at rut time.

831
00:44:17,827 --> 00:44:21,627
Speaker 2: The Lion's secure position or keep position basically, and then

832
00:44:21,627 --> 00:44:25,427
Speaker 2: score the winning try out wide through Hugo Keenan. Now,

833
00:44:25,467 --> 00:44:29,707
Speaker 2: the Ossies are absolutely blowing up about this. Here's Morgan

834
00:44:29,787 --> 00:44:34,307
Speaker 2: Totanui in the television commentary with his summation.

835
00:44:35,107 --> 00:44:38,147
Speaker 4: But the end is a penalty to the Wallabies and

836
00:44:38,267 --> 00:44:41,507
Speaker 4: the referees were too weak to give it. It doesn't

837
00:44:41,587 --> 00:44:43,387
Speaker 4: matter you cannot hit a guy in the back of

838
00:44:43,427 --> 00:44:46,907
Speaker 4: the neck. The referees have got it wrong. It has

839
00:44:47,027 --> 00:44:50,107
Speaker 4: cost the Wallaby survival in the series. The British and

840
00:44:50,227 --> 00:44:53,507
Speaker 4: Irish science lead this series too, Neil. It was brave

841
00:44:53,587 --> 00:44:56,307
Speaker 4: to come back from them. But it is a terrible

842
00:44:56,387 --> 00:44:58,387
Speaker 4: decision that decides this match.

843
00:44:58,747 --> 00:44:58,907
Speaker 5: Now.

844
00:44:59,067 --> 00:45:00,507
Speaker 2: I've had a look at this a few times this

845
00:45:00,667 --> 00:45:02,987
Speaker 2: morning to try and work it out, and it's one

846
00:45:03,027 --> 00:45:06,747
Speaker 2: of those where there's arguments on both sides. If it's

847
00:45:06,787 --> 00:45:08,707
Speaker 2: given as a penalty. I'm not sure that there are

848
00:45:09,507 --> 00:45:14,547
Speaker 2: you know, absolutely outrageous complaints from the lines, but Joe

849
00:45:14,627 --> 00:45:20,507
Speaker 2: Schmidt is really unhappy with the refereeing. Unsurprisingly, Andy Farrell,

850
00:45:20,627 --> 00:45:23,467
Speaker 2: the Lions coach, has nothing to see here. I'm going

851
00:45:23,547 --> 00:45:25,267
Speaker 2: to pick this up after two o'clock and you might

852
00:45:25,267 --> 00:45:26,627
Speaker 2: have some thoughts as well. I had a few texts

853
00:45:26,667 --> 00:45:29,067
Speaker 2: on it today and an email as well regarding it.

854
00:45:29,147 --> 00:45:31,147
Speaker 2: So we we'll get across the Tasman to our man

855
00:45:31,427 --> 00:45:35,587
Speaker 2: Brett McKay after two o'clock and get his view. Was

856
00:45:36,467 --> 00:45:39,427
Speaker 2: it an illegal clean out? And actually should the Australians

857
00:45:39,467 --> 00:45:40,827
Speaker 2: have mine? It held on to a twenty three to

858
00:45:40,907 --> 00:45:43,867
Speaker 2: five lead anyway, So that's to come in about an

859
00:45:43,867 --> 00:45:46,547
Speaker 2: hour or so. James mcconey this hour, but I want

860
00:45:46,587 --> 00:45:49,867
Speaker 2: to start with a major shakeup in the New Zealand

861
00:45:49,947 --> 00:45:54,787
Speaker 2: sports broadcasting landscape this week. On Tuesday it was announced

862
00:45:54,787 --> 00:45:59,587
Speaker 2: that Sky have purchased TV three, giving themselves already made

863
00:45:59,627 --> 00:46:02,867
Speaker 2: free to wear platform for some of their sports content.

864
00:46:03,467 --> 00:46:05,987
Speaker 2: And on Friday it was reported and this is not

865
00:46:06,107 --> 00:46:09,387
Speaker 2: yet confirmed, but it has been widely reported that TV

866
00:46:09,547 --> 00:46:12,627
Speaker 2: and ZED have won the battle to screen next year's

867
00:46:12,627 --> 00:46:16,147
Speaker 2: fee for World Cup fending off Sky in the battle

868
00:46:16,187 --> 00:46:19,987
Speaker 2: for those rights, and they will again reportedly screen a

869
00:46:20,147 --> 00:46:23,547
Speaker 2: significant portion of the one hundred and four matches that

870
00:46:23,707 --> 00:46:26,507
Speaker 2: now happen at a World Cup because it's forty eight teams,

871
00:46:26,947 --> 00:46:29,347
Speaker 2: a significant portion of those one hundred and four games

872
00:46:30,307 --> 00:46:34,587
Speaker 2: will be on a new paywalled digital platform that's going

873
00:46:34,667 --> 00:46:36,147
Speaker 2: to be up and running by the time the tournament

874
00:46:36,267 --> 00:46:39,307
Speaker 2: kicks off in June of next year. So in other words,

875
00:46:39,947 --> 00:46:43,347
Speaker 2: you will pay to see the entire tournament. You'll pay

876
00:46:43,787 --> 00:46:47,187
Speaker 2: TV and Z. They will obviously also have some free

877
00:46:47,187 --> 00:46:50,507
Speaker 2: to wear content, either on their main channels or streaming.

878
00:46:51,667 --> 00:46:54,307
Speaker 2: The new rugby deal, of course, is yet to be finalized,

879
00:46:54,987 --> 00:46:58,667
Speaker 2: although those discussions are well advanced, apparently with an announcement

880
00:46:59,187 --> 00:47:01,787
Speaker 2: imminent that will be Sky picking those rights up.

881
00:47:01,787 --> 00:47:01,987
Speaker 16: Again.

882
00:47:02,027 --> 00:47:03,787
Speaker 2: It's just a matter of the dollars and some of

883
00:47:03,827 --> 00:47:06,307
Speaker 2: the finer detail. So what will all of these change

884
00:47:06,667 --> 00:47:09,507
Speaker 2: mean for you and I, for the everyday sports viewer.

885
00:47:10,147 --> 00:47:13,387
Speaker 2: For a bit of analysis, let's bring in Colin Smith,

886
00:47:13,627 --> 00:47:18,107
Speaker 2: Managing Director of Global Media and Sports and founding director

887
00:47:18,227 --> 00:47:23,227
Speaker 2: of Media Rights Value. Colin is hugely experienced in the

888
00:47:23,307 --> 00:47:27,867
Speaker 2: provision of strategic advice and negotiation leadership on sports, media

889
00:47:28,067 --> 00:47:32,467
Speaker 2: and competition structures. He advises leading media companies and major

890
00:47:32,507 --> 00:47:38,107
Speaker 2: professional sports in Australasia, in Europe and across Asia as well. Colin,

891
00:47:38,187 --> 00:47:40,467
Speaker 2: thanks for joining us and lending us your expertise. Let's

892
00:47:40,507 --> 00:47:45,587
Speaker 2: start with Sky's purchase of TV three. How important is

893
00:47:45,627 --> 00:47:48,827
Speaker 2: it for a pay per view operator like Sky to

894
00:47:49,027 --> 00:47:51,307
Speaker 2: have a free to air platform like this?

895
00:47:53,187 --> 00:47:57,227
Speaker 7: Thank you a pleasure to talk to you. It's really

896
00:47:57,387 --> 00:48:02,027
Speaker 7: interesting and when we look at the New Zealand media market,

897
00:48:02,467 --> 00:48:06,227
Speaker 7: what we are now seeing is in essence the domination

898
00:48:06,427 --> 00:48:12,507
Speaker 7: and by tvn Z on one side and both entering

899
00:48:12,707 --> 00:48:16,827
Speaker 7: into now behind the paywall and free too air, and

900
00:48:17,027 --> 00:48:22,987
Speaker 7: then with a Sky acquiring the rights from Warner Brothers

901
00:48:24,267 --> 00:48:27,627
Speaker 7: and having a free to air and also additional streaming,

902
00:48:28,067 --> 00:48:33,307
Speaker 7: so you've got two powerful, formidable broadcasters now in New Zealand.

903
00:48:33,747 --> 00:48:35,707
Speaker 2: The free to air side of things is really interesting

904
00:48:35,787 --> 00:48:38,627
Speaker 2: to meet Colin. Is it crucial for a company to

905
00:48:38,707 --> 00:48:44,067
Speaker 2: have free to wear capability because it allows for advertising

906
00:48:44,107 --> 00:48:47,587
Speaker 2: to be sold on that platform or because most sports

907
00:48:47,707 --> 00:48:50,947
Speaker 2: now want a free to wear component and they're broadcast offering.

908
00:48:52,027 --> 00:48:55,267
Speaker 7: Well, it's a really good question, and the fundamental is

909
00:48:55,987 --> 00:48:59,467
Speaker 7: if you want to get mass viewership, free to air

910
00:48:59,707 --> 00:49:02,067
Speaker 7: is the way to go. But then if you want

911
00:49:02,107 --> 00:49:06,107
Speaker 7: to maximize your revenues, you want to be behind the

912
00:49:07,147 --> 00:49:12,867
Speaker 7: So a combination of free content plus behind the paywall

913
00:49:13,427 --> 00:49:20,027
Speaker 7: is highly successful and it maximizes both the viewership and

914
00:49:20,187 --> 00:49:21,987
Speaker 7: the revenues for the broadcaster.

915
00:49:22,347 --> 00:49:24,227
Speaker 2: It sounds so simple when you say it, Colin, It

916
00:49:24,347 --> 00:49:26,187
Speaker 2: sounds so simple, I'm not in my head, but it

917
00:49:26,267 --> 00:49:29,107
Speaker 2: seems to be a very hard balance to strike. What

918
00:49:29,227 --> 00:49:32,667
Speaker 2: are the conversations that go on around board tables at

919
00:49:32,707 --> 00:49:36,267
Speaker 2: both a broadcaster and a sports organization when these deals

920
00:49:36,307 --> 00:49:37,147
Speaker 2: are being put together.

921
00:49:39,387 --> 00:49:45,427
Speaker 7: It is a really a debate actually, because on one

922
00:49:45,547 --> 00:49:49,907
Speaker 7: side you need to make sure you've got the interests

923
00:49:50,227 --> 00:49:53,427
Speaker 7: from the viewers, from the New Zealand viewers, so therefore

924
00:49:53,747 --> 00:49:57,307
Speaker 7: that has a compelling portion of free to wear. But

925
00:49:57,507 --> 00:50:02,107
Speaker 7: then in terms of maximizing the revenues for a sport

926
00:50:02,267 --> 00:50:06,547
Speaker 7: or a sports competition, then it needs to be behind

927
00:50:06,627 --> 00:50:11,667
Speaker 7: the paywall. It's frankly that simple, but that complicated as well,

928
00:50:11,907 --> 00:50:12,947
Speaker 7: and it is a tradeoff.

929
00:50:13,547 --> 00:50:17,627
Speaker 2: Do you think broadcasters care about a sports desire to

930
00:50:17,787 --> 00:50:21,787
Speaker 2: expose their sport to as wide an audience as possible,

931
00:50:21,907 --> 00:50:25,147
Speaker 2: or as a broadcaster a pay per view broadcaster simply

932
00:50:25,227 --> 00:50:28,347
Speaker 2: want if they had it their way, everything behind their paywall.

933
00:50:30,587 --> 00:50:38,067
Speaker 7: The answer is that most pay per view of broadcasters

934
00:50:38,147 --> 00:50:42,067
Speaker 7: would prefer to have as much content behind the paywall.

935
00:50:42,547 --> 00:50:46,427
Speaker 7: But the other part of this is to promote and

936
00:50:46,547 --> 00:50:50,747
Speaker 7: to keep on promoting that competition. Having a free to

937
00:50:50,947 --> 00:50:55,307
Speaker 7: air component is a win win, And you could argue say,

938
00:50:55,707 --> 00:50:59,787
Speaker 7: if we look at the New Zealand example of the

939
00:51:00,227 --> 00:51:05,467
Speaker 7: provincial rugby being behind the paywall's probably cost it's a

940
00:51:05,587 --> 00:51:10,147
Speaker 7: lot of viewish and where now probably not an attractive

941
00:51:11,547 --> 00:51:15,427
Speaker 7: TV product for a pay TV operator.

942
00:51:16,467 --> 00:51:19,627
Speaker 2: In terms of the organization's the sporting organizations, do you

943
00:51:19,707 --> 00:51:22,987
Speaker 2: think they are now all totally cognizant colin of the

944
00:51:23,547 --> 00:51:25,267
Speaker 2: of the concept of free to wear that they have

945
00:51:25,427 --> 00:51:27,347
Speaker 2: to have some on free to wear. It's no good

946
00:51:27,427 --> 00:51:29,787
Speaker 2: just taking the money from the broadcaster. They have to

947
00:51:29,867 --> 00:51:32,107
Speaker 2: have a free to wear component in order to keep

948
00:51:32,107 --> 00:51:33,027
Speaker 2: their sport exposed.

949
00:51:35,027 --> 00:51:38,627
Speaker 7: I would argue with you, yes, they do need a component,

950
00:51:39,747 --> 00:51:45,467
Speaker 7: but it doesn't if it's one game per week or

951
00:51:46,267 --> 00:51:50,707
Speaker 7: a premium game. Yes, but when you want the major

952
00:51:51,147 --> 00:51:55,787
Speaker 7: behind the paywall to maximize a revenue for that sport,

953
00:51:56,187 --> 00:51:59,827
Speaker 7: And frankly sixty to eighty percent of revenues for a

954
00:51:59,907 --> 00:52:02,667
Speaker 7: sport come from paid television.

955
00:52:02,867 --> 00:52:06,067
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an incredible amount, isn't it and so crucial

956
00:52:06,147 --> 00:52:09,867
Speaker 2: to to so many sports. The other piece of news

957
00:52:09,947 --> 00:52:12,627
Speaker 2: this week is TV and Z securing the rights to

958
00:52:12,667 --> 00:52:15,667
Speaker 2: the FIFA World Cup next year. They've got new technology

959
00:52:15,747 --> 00:52:18,667
Speaker 2: coming to charge for it as Sky do. Now how

960
00:52:18,707 --> 00:52:21,307
Speaker 2: big a play is this in your view? From TV

961
00:52:21,427 --> 00:52:24,107
Speaker 2: and Z our state broadcaster, it's.

962
00:52:24,027 --> 00:52:28,267
Speaker 7: A very significant and one of the interesting aspects about

963
00:52:28,347 --> 00:52:33,467
Speaker 7: TV and Z it is both a it is government owned,

964
00:52:33,507 --> 00:52:37,467
Speaker 7: but it's totally commercial as well, and it really dominates

965
00:52:37,547 --> 00:52:41,067
Speaker 7: the New Zealand market. And then now entering into the

966
00:52:43,507 --> 00:52:48,547
Speaker 7: PATV side makes it even more competitive and therefore more

967
00:52:48,667 --> 00:52:54,587
Speaker 7: important for Sky to have the acquisition of TV.

968
00:52:54,507 --> 00:52:57,707
Speaker 2: Three well indeed, and so you would expect that the

969
00:52:57,907 --> 00:53:02,427
Speaker 2: acquisition of TV three would naturally lead to Sky including

970
00:53:02,467 --> 00:53:04,747
Speaker 2: that as a free to air element on future broadcast

971
00:53:04,827 --> 00:53:06,027
Speaker 2: deals with any.

972
00:53:05,907 --> 00:53:13,707
Speaker 7: Code possibly, And I could see that with rugby for sure,

973
00:53:14,347 --> 00:53:17,867
Speaker 7: and potentially you know, things like the Olympic if they

974
00:53:18,027 --> 00:53:21,747
Speaker 7: did for the Olympic Games or the Conwawk Games, I

975
00:53:21,827 --> 00:53:22,827
Speaker 7: could see that for sure.

976
00:53:23,667 --> 00:53:27,627
Speaker 2: How important to a broadcaster are marquee events like World Cups,

977
00:53:27,787 --> 00:53:32,667
Speaker 2: Olympic Games, compared to the regular content of a sporting season.

978
00:53:35,067 --> 00:53:42,747
Speaker 7: For a pay television operator, the most important is the games,

979
00:53:43,307 --> 00:53:47,827
Speaker 7: and it's not the pinnacle events. It's the round by round.

980
00:53:48,307 --> 00:53:54,827
Speaker 7: So in other words, the Super Rugby or the NRL games,

981
00:53:55,067 --> 00:53:59,627
Speaker 7: they are really important. They attract consistent viewership and therefore

982
00:53:59,707 --> 00:54:05,467
Speaker 7: consistent subscribers. In terms of the premium events like the

983
00:54:06,427 --> 00:54:11,147
Speaker 7: Big Games or the piinf World Cup, generally they are

984
00:54:12,147 --> 00:54:15,387
Speaker 7: globally in front of the paywall as opposed to a

985
00:54:15,587 --> 00:54:20,627
Speaker 7: behind the paywall. But you can see that changing where

986
00:54:21,467 --> 00:54:25,387
Speaker 7: some sport will be behind the paywall and some sport

987
00:54:26,107 --> 00:54:28,027
Speaker 7: leading sport will be in front of the paywall.

988
00:54:28,587 --> 00:54:30,467
Speaker 2: So it makes sense, it does make sense, It makes

989
00:54:30,507 --> 00:54:33,027
Speaker 2: perfect sense. I wonder what the feeling will be at

990
00:54:33,147 --> 00:54:36,667
Speaker 2: Sky having not acquired the FIFA World Cup next year.

991
00:54:36,707 --> 00:54:38,347
Speaker 2: How much of a blow is that to them, or,

992
00:54:38,867 --> 00:54:40,867
Speaker 2: as you've just outlined, are they more interested in the

993
00:54:41,267 --> 00:54:44,307
Speaker 2: content that's provided by a regular season that goes across

994
00:54:44,427 --> 00:54:44,907
Speaker 2: many months.

995
00:54:46,907 --> 00:54:52,507
Speaker 7: I think FIFA World Cup is a one off and

996
00:54:53,227 --> 00:54:57,667
Speaker 7: football generally is not as strong in New Zealand, or

997
00:54:57,747 --> 00:55:02,267
Speaker 7: for that manner, in Australia, and so therefore what is

998
00:55:02,427 --> 00:55:08,507
Speaker 7: really important with New Zealand being close to being in

999
00:55:08,587 --> 00:55:12,987
Speaker 7: its winter code, being a one sport nation or historically

1000
00:55:12,987 --> 00:55:19,187
Speaker 7: a one sport nation with rugby and growing with NRL,

1001
00:55:20,147 --> 00:55:24,667
Speaker 7: it's therefore it's those regular games that is important.

1002
00:55:25,427 --> 00:55:28,227
Speaker 2: We're still yet to have the official announcement of Sky

1003
00:55:28,347 --> 00:55:30,787
Speaker 2: in New Zealand Rugby's new broadcast deal. It runs out,

1004
00:55:30,827 --> 00:55:32,667
Speaker 2: as you know, at the end of this year. We're

1005
00:55:32,707 --> 00:55:35,787
Speaker 2: told it's imminent. What do you think the sticking points

1006
00:55:35,787 --> 00:55:37,947
Speaker 2: would be, you know, right at the end, when they're

1007
00:55:37,987 --> 00:55:40,507
Speaker 2: just trying to nut out the final nuts and bolts

1008
00:55:40,507 --> 00:55:41,027
Speaker 2: of their deal.

1009
00:55:42,627 --> 00:55:45,747
Speaker 7: I think there would be two parts of this. Of course,

1010
00:55:45,827 --> 00:55:49,827
Speaker 7: it's going to be how many New Zealand dollars millions

1011
00:55:49,907 --> 00:55:53,187
Speaker 7: of dollars are they're paying per year? And you know,

1012
00:55:53,787 --> 00:55:57,347
Speaker 7: whether it's the same amount as the previous deal, and

1013
00:55:57,467 --> 00:56:00,587
Speaker 7: I'd say that's unlikely and I think it will be lower,

1014
00:56:00,987 --> 00:56:03,747
Speaker 7: but you never know. And the other part of that

1015
00:56:04,707 --> 00:56:09,267
Speaker 7: is to ensure what's the future of Super Rugby and

1016
00:56:09,427 --> 00:56:15,507
Speaker 7: how does that continue to thrive when it's got its challenges.

1017
00:56:16,147 --> 00:56:19,027
Speaker 2: In general terms, Colin zoom out of it from this,

1018
00:56:19,587 --> 00:56:23,947
Speaker 2: how would you describe the global sports rights landscape right.

1019
00:56:23,907 --> 00:56:30,187
Speaker 7: Now, Well, it's over the last twenty years it's boomed

1020
00:56:30,707 --> 00:56:36,307
Speaker 7: and that's been huge for the funding of professional sport globally.

1021
00:56:37,987 --> 00:56:46,347
Speaker 7: Now with the advent of streaming and many streamers, we're

1022
00:56:46,387 --> 00:56:51,947
Speaker 7: getting to a timeline when the values of rights will

1023
00:56:52,067 --> 00:56:56,267
Speaker 7: not increase so dramatically as they have in the last

1024
00:56:56,307 --> 00:57:01,907
Speaker 7: twenty years. And you can see that's happened already in

1025
00:57:02,387 --> 00:57:07,347
Speaker 7: the French league, which is the Football League One. It's

1026
00:57:07,387 --> 00:57:11,547
Speaker 7: going to be increasing the case globally. The two exceptions

1027
00:57:11,707 --> 00:57:16,587
Speaker 7: to that have been the NFL to you know, earn

1028
00:57:16,947 --> 00:57:20,747
Speaker 7: thirteen billion US dollars a year and now the latest

1029
00:57:20,787 --> 00:57:25,667
Speaker 7: deal with the NBL the NBA sare I say in

1030
00:57:25,787 --> 00:57:31,347
Speaker 7: the United States that's a deal of seventy six billion US.

1031
00:57:32,467 --> 00:57:34,867
Speaker 7: But they are massive with massive markets.

1032
00:57:35,307 --> 00:57:35,587
Speaker 16: But I.

1033
00:57:38,347 --> 00:57:42,467
Speaker 7: Continuing to the same extent and they are The other

1034
00:57:42,667 --> 00:57:47,947
Speaker 7: challenge that brought us the viewrop of gen Z the

1035
00:57:48,067 --> 00:57:52,067
Speaker 7: younger viewers is less. They're not holding them for an

1036
00:57:52,267 --> 00:57:55,347
Speaker 7: entire game, and how they address that is a real

1037
00:57:56,067 --> 00:57:59,067
Speaker 7: is an issue they need to consider indeed.

1038
00:57:59,027 --> 00:58:02,267
Speaker 2: And just on the fact that there was a downward

1039
00:58:02,347 --> 00:58:04,707
Speaker 2: traind LL certainly it's a plateau of anything. Is it

1040
00:58:04,867 --> 00:58:07,307
Speaker 2: like the housing market, Colin might go up again, or

1041
00:58:07,427 --> 00:58:09,507
Speaker 2: is the downward trend likely to continue now?

1042
00:58:10,747 --> 00:58:15,067
Speaker 7: I think my view is it's starting to too close

1043
00:58:15,147 --> 00:58:20,907
Speaker 7: to being max out unless they reattract gens in and

1044
00:58:21,867 --> 00:58:25,387
Speaker 7: they come back into which they follow sports significantly in

1045
00:58:25,467 --> 00:58:29,467
Speaker 7: the professional sports, but they don't stay for entire games.

1046
00:58:30,107 --> 00:58:37,147
Speaker 7: And therefore if they don't subscribe to the paywalls broadcasters

1047
00:58:37,867 --> 00:58:41,267
Speaker 7: or don't watch them free to air and therefore attracted

1048
00:58:41,387 --> 00:58:45,747
Speaker 7: to advertisers, that means the revenue is flowing in to

1049
00:58:45,947 --> 00:58:50,187
Speaker 7: broadcasters because of sports content is an issue, even though

1050
00:58:50,427 --> 00:58:54,947
Speaker 7: sport is one of the premium products of broadcast globally.

1051
00:58:55,627 --> 00:58:59,667
Speaker 2: And just back to the revenue that broadcast money provides

1052
00:58:59,747 --> 00:59:03,227
Speaker 2: the sporting organizations. You mentioned the sort of sixty seventy

1053
00:59:03,587 --> 00:59:06,947
Speaker 2: maybe even upwards to that for some sports. Do you

1054
00:59:07,067 --> 00:59:09,947
Speaker 2: see that going down? Will sporting organizations need to look

1055
00:59:09,947 --> 00:59:13,187
Speaker 2: at other other revenue streams, better sponsorship deal, better ticketing

1056
00:59:13,227 --> 00:59:14,507
Speaker 2: and merchandise that sort of thing.

1057
00:59:17,867 --> 00:59:22,187
Speaker 7: Well, the interesting part of sponsorship revenue is really driven

1058
00:59:22,507 --> 00:59:25,987
Speaker 7: because of broadcast. It's not driven it's not driven by

1059
00:59:26,387 --> 00:59:30,667
Speaker 7: attendances of games. The challenge, I think the challenge is

1060
00:59:31,467 --> 00:59:37,547
Speaker 7: that that that percentage I don't think will change. There

1061
00:59:37,587 --> 00:59:42,107
Speaker 7: could be some more sponsorship, the issue of sports speedding

1062
00:59:43,147 --> 00:59:46,787
Speaker 7: could increase, but that's got some real issues socially, and

1063
00:59:47,067 --> 00:59:51,267
Speaker 7: I think that's on both sides of the ditch, and

1064
00:59:51,427 --> 00:59:54,707
Speaker 7: so that's I don't think necessarily that's going to grow

1065
00:59:54,827 --> 01:00:05,467
Speaker 7: without some government interventions or constraints. And I think what's

1066
01:00:05,507 --> 01:00:10,227
Speaker 7: going to happen is the costs of these sports leagues.

1067
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Speaker 7: Where will we need to be addressed going forward as well?

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Speaker 2: Colin, you've given us tremendous insight. Thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for joining us this afternoon with your expertise. I really

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01:00:21,787 --> 01:00:22,467
Speaker 2: appreciate your.

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Speaker 7: Time, absolute pleasure.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us, Colin sports broadcasting expert Colin Smith.

1073
01:00:27,347 --> 01:00:30,067
Speaker 2: There plenty to pick up on if you want to

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01:00:30,667 --> 01:00:33,467
Speaker 2: pass comment. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. The

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01:00:33,507 --> 01:00:38,187
Speaker 2: whole free to wear VPAYTV balance is fascinating to me.

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01:00:38,707 --> 01:00:43,387
Speaker 2: It's something that all sports organizations now here in New

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01:00:43,507 --> 01:00:46,627
Speaker 2: Zealand have to grapple with. It feels now as though

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01:00:48,107 --> 01:00:51,787
Speaker 2: sport has to have some sort of free to wear components.

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01:00:52,747 --> 01:00:57,027
Speaker 2: Cricket have worked this out and it was really a

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01:00:57,107 --> 01:00:59,267
Speaker 2: bit of a gift for them. When Spark fell over

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01:01:00,347 --> 01:01:02,747
Speaker 2: and TVNZ picked up all of that cricket, it all

1082
01:01:02,827 --> 01:01:06,507
Speaker 2: went on too duke as free to wear and it

1083
01:01:06,627 --> 01:01:10,587
Speaker 2: was exposed to a huge audience, a free to wear audience.

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01:01:10,707 --> 01:01:15,947
Speaker 2: Everybody in New Zealand could watch international and domestic cricket,

1085
01:01:16,947 --> 01:01:19,587
Speaker 2: and New Zealand Cricket didn't lose out in any way

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01:01:19,707 --> 01:01:24,387
Speaker 2: financially because Spark when they fell over, Spark Sport, that

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01:01:24,587 --> 01:01:28,227
Speaker 2: is the wider company, guaranteed the money that they were

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01:01:28,267 --> 01:01:32,067
Speaker 2: contractually obliged to pay to New Zealand Cricket. So New

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Speaker 2: Zealand Cricket have effectively got the best of both worlds.

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01:01:35,227 --> 01:01:39,547
Speaker 2: They get the money from a pay per view operator

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01:01:39,667 --> 01:01:44,387
Speaker 2: and they get free to wear in its entirety. That's

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01:01:44,427 --> 01:01:46,227
Speaker 2: going to finish obviously at the end of this deal,

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01:01:46,267 --> 01:01:48,787
Speaker 2: which is is this coming some of the one after

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01:01:48,987 --> 01:01:52,787
Speaker 2: one of those two anyway, and they have to renegotiate Rugby.

1095
01:01:52,867 --> 01:01:54,427
Speaker 2: I'm sure that there'll be some sort of free to

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01:01:54,467 --> 01:01:57,427
Speaker 2: wear element in the Rugby deal. And now with Sky

1097
01:01:57,627 --> 01:02:02,507
Speaker 2: having bought TV three, that's the perfect platform for it.

1098
01:02:03,467 --> 01:02:09,027
Speaker 2: They can use TV threes, either the traditional TV or

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01:02:09,067 --> 01:02:12,027
Speaker 2: the digital platform to show free to wear Rugby, not

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01:02:12,147 --> 01:02:14,707
Speaker 2: the All Blacks, probably not Super Rugby, but some of

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01:02:14,707 --> 01:02:20,067
Speaker 2: the other offerings they can put on there. So rugby

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01:02:20,107 --> 01:02:24,107
Speaker 2: and cricket, netball as well. All the major sports in

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01:02:24,187 --> 01:02:28,827
Speaker 2: New Zealand have to have to now factor in free

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Speaker 2: to wear in their broadcast dealings. And it's the balance

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01:02:32,067 --> 01:02:34,747
Speaker 2: that you strike because if you're a pay per view

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01:02:34,787 --> 01:02:37,707
Speaker 2: operative of your Sky, you don't want anything on free

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01:02:37,787 --> 01:02:43,387
Speaker 2: to wear. You want everything on pay per view ideally,

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01:02:43,507 --> 01:02:45,507
Speaker 2: because that means that people have to if they want

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01:02:45,507 --> 01:02:48,107
Speaker 2: to watch rugby, cricket, whatever it is, they have to

1110
01:02:48,387 --> 01:02:52,027
Speaker 2: buy a subscription. But the codes, yes, they need the

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01:02:52,067 --> 01:02:55,147
Speaker 2: money from the broadcast deal. What did Colin say, sixty

1112
01:02:55,267 --> 01:02:59,627
Speaker 2: seventy percent of the revenue of some of these sporting

1113
01:02:59,707 --> 01:03:03,347
Speaker 2: organizations comes from broadcast. They need the money, they need it,

1114
01:03:04,347 --> 01:03:07,427
Speaker 2: but they want to expose their sport through free to air.

1115
01:03:07,947 --> 01:03:10,147
Speaker 2: It is the great balancing act. It is the great

1116
01:03:10,307 --> 01:03:14,467
Speaker 2: tension between revenue and exposure. So how do you do it?

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01:03:15,227 --> 01:03:18,307
Speaker 2: Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. I think having TVNZ

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01:03:18,507 --> 01:03:22,867
Speaker 2: and the sports rights game is good for the sports,

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01:03:23,307 --> 01:03:28,147
Speaker 2: isn't it. Competition for rights will drive the price up.

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Speaker 2: It has to when Sparksports were in the market. That's

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01:03:32,587 --> 01:03:36,267
Speaker 2: why the that's why the current or the Sky Rugby

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01:03:36,347 --> 01:03:38,627
Speaker 2: deal that is about to run out was so high

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01:03:39,707 --> 01:03:43,667
Speaker 2: because New Zealand Rugby saw a competitive tension in the

1124
01:03:43,707 --> 01:03:46,587
Speaker 2: market and said to Sky, hey, well you know we're

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01:03:46,627 --> 01:03:50,547
Speaker 2: talking with Spark as well, and so Sky had to

1126
01:03:50,707 --> 01:03:53,427
Speaker 2: up there bid. It's going to come down this time

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01:03:53,587 --> 01:03:55,947
Speaker 2: because there's no competition in the market. I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 2: TVNZ aren't in for the aren't in for the for

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01:04:01,587 --> 01:04:05,147
Speaker 2: the rugby rights. It is basically an exclusive negotiation or

1130
01:04:05,747 --> 01:04:08,987
Speaker 2: between us on Rugby and Sky, but it'll be far

1131
01:04:09,067 --> 01:04:11,787
Speaker 2: less than what they paid before because there isn't another competitor.

1132
01:04:13,267 --> 01:04:16,067
Speaker 2: And the FIFA World Cup again, like I say, not confirmed,

1133
01:04:17,107 --> 01:04:20,987
Speaker 2: not confirmed yet, but there are many well placed sources

1134
01:04:21,107 --> 01:04:24,027
Speaker 2: who have told me that it's a done deal that

1135
01:04:24,187 --> 01:04:26,227
Speaker 2: the World Cup, the FIFA World Cup next year will

1136
01:04:26,267 --> 01:04:28,787
Speaker 2: be on TV in Z but you will have to

1137
01:04:28,907 --> 01:04:32,227
Speaker 2: pay for some of it. There'll be a free to

1138
01:04:32,307 --> 01:04:35,747
Speaker 2: wear element. And I'm just balling here, Okay, I don't

1139
01:04:35,787 --> 01:04:37,947
Speaker 2: know anything more than this. I'm just blue skying. But

1140
01:04:38,067 --> 01:04:39,827
Speaker 2: for me, if you're TV and Z, you put the

1141
01:04:39,867 --> 01:04:42,507
Speaker 2: All Whites games on free to Aware, the all Whites

1142
01:04:42,507 --> 01:04:45,467
Speaker 2: will play three group matches and then if they make

1143
01:04:45,507 --> 01:04:47,187
Speaker 2: it out of the groups, some knockout games for me,

1144
01:04:47,307 --> 01:04:49,107
Speaker 2: if your TV and Z you put those on Fredaware,

1145
01:04:49,867 --> 01:04:52,667
Speaker 2: you have to, you have to. But there are one

1146
01:04:52,747 --> 01:04:55,107
Speaker 2: hundred and four games. You probably put a couple of

1147
01:04:55,147 --> 01:04:57,347
Speaker 2: the night. You've probably got a knockout, a bunch of

1148
01:04:57,427 --> 01:05:00,467
Speaker 2: knockout games as well, probably the final on free to air.

1149
01:05:02,267 --> 01:05:05,667
Speaker 2: But with one hundred and four matches you can have

1150
01:05:05,747 --> 01:05:09,427
Speaker 2: a signific can portion behind the paywall. So what you'll do,

1151
01:05:09,547 --> 01:05:11,427
Speaker 2: and again I'm spitballing and I'm just sort of you

1152
01:05:11,467 --> 01:05:13,787
Speaker 2: know this is I guess what's going to happen is

1153
01:05:13,867 --> 01:05:16,107
Speaker 2: that you will buy a World Cup Pass from TV

1154
01:05:16,227 --> 01:05:19,787
Speaker 2: and Z. You'll pay TV and Z a price and

1155
01:05:19,867 --> 01:05:22,507
Speaker 2: I don't know what their price is for a World

1156
01:05:22,587 --> 01:05:26,187
Speaker 2: Cup Pass, which will give you access to all of

1157
01:05:26,307 --> 01:05:29,147
Speaker 2: the matches and that will be streamed. It'll be it

1158
01:05:29,147 --> 01:05:31,267
Speaker 2: won't be on one of their normal channels like a

1159
01:05:31,787 --> 01:05:34,627
Speaker 2: like a TV and Z one or two or Duke

1160
01:05:34,747 --> 01:05:37,347
Speaker 2: or any of those. It'll be on a streaming platform.

1161
01:05:37,387 --> 01:05:40,787
Speaker 2: You'll log in and you'll watch it watch the game's streaming.

1162
01:05:42,267 --> 01:05:43,867
Speaker 2: And what they can do with their free to air

1163
01:05:43,907 --> 01:05:46,787
Speaker 2: stuff is they can advertise that right across the free

1164
01:05:46,827 --> 01:05:49,587
Speaker 2: to air stuff. Every time they have a free to

1165
01:05:49,667 --> 01:05:51,867
Speaker 2: air game, they can say, hey, are you enjoying this? Well,

1166
01:05:51,907 --> 01:05:54,267
Speaker 2: if you want access to the whole lot, log on

1167
01:05:54,307 --> 01:05:56,067
Speaker 2: to TVNZ, dot CO, dot INZ or whatever it is

1168
01:05:56,147 --> 01:05:58,627
Speaker 2: and buy a World Cup pass Oh eight hundred and

1169
01:05:58,667 --> 01:06:00,867
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty number nine, two ninety two anything you

1170
01:06:00,947 --> 01:06:02,987
Speaker 2: want to pick up on free to wear? How important

1171
01:06:03,067 --> 01:06:06,027
Speaker 2: is it to you? Would you buy the World Cup

1172
01:06:06,067 --> 01:06:08,827
Speaker 2: next year as a one off thing? I mean? And

1173
01:06:08,907 --> 01:06:10,467
Speaker 2: then you can say, okay, well would you buy the

1174
01:06:10,507 --> 01:06:16,507
Speaker 2: Olympics in a similar fashion? This takes some colls oh

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01:06:16,507 --> 01:06:18,507
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty nine two nine to two.

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01:06:18,507 --> 01:06:19,187
Speaker 2: On text, We're back in a.

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01:06:19,227 --> 01:06:22,787
Speaker 1: Month of the biggest seams in sports are on Weekend

1178
01:06:22,907 --> 01:06:27,187
Speaker 1: Sports with Jason Paine and GJ. Junnomes, New Zealand's most

1179
01:06:27,187 --> 01:06:29,627
Speaker 1: trusted home builder, News TALKSB.

1180
01:06:29,907 --> 01:06:33,147
Speaker 2: News Talks AB and Weekend Sport Talking Sports, broadcasting, paywall,

1181
01:06:33,227 --> 01:06:34,667
Speaker 2: free to wear, all that sort of stuff. Heaps of

1182
01:06:34,707 --> 01:06:36,627
Speaker 2: texts coming through spear line. If you want to jump

1183
01:06:36,667 --> 01:06:40,387
Speaker 2: on though, I eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Just

1184
01:06:40,467 --> 01:06:43,587
Speaker 2: before we move live Sport Chatham Cup quarter final number

1185
01:06:43,627 --> 01:06:48,747
Speaker 2: four being played at Saxton Oval or Saxton's Field actually

1186
01:06:48,827 --> 01:06:50,987
Speaker 2: the ovals where they play Cricket Saxons Field and Nelson,

1187
01:06:51,147 --> 01:06:54,507
Speaker 2: a place well known to any McDonald one. All at

1188
01:06:54,547 --> 01:06:58,867
Speaker 2: full time between Nelson Suburbs and Birkenhead United, so into

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01:06:58,907 --> 01:07:01,587
Speaker 2: extra time they go. Two of the semi finals yesterday

1190
01:07:02,107 --> 01:07:04,787
Speaker 2: needed extra time as well to be decided and this

1191
01:07:04,947 --> 01:07:07,987
Speaker 2: one will too. Big crowd turning up and Nelson they're

1192
01:07:07,987 --> 01:07:10,907
Speaker 2: certainly the underdogs, but a big day there for them.

1193
01:07:10,987 --> 01:07:14,307
Speaker 2: They were one kneel down, found an equalizer and now

1194
01:07:14,347 --> 01:07:16,387
Speaker 2: we're in the extra time and if they can't be

1195
01:07:16,467 --> 01:07:20,587
Speaker 2: separated after thirty minutes then the dreaded penalty shootout will result.

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01:07:21,547 --> 01:07:24,507
Speaker 2: We'll keep eyes on that for you from Nelson, where

1197
01:07:24,747 --> 01:07:27,947
Speaker 2: unsurprisingly the sun is shining. Tony says, I don't care

1198
01:07:27,987 --> 01:07:31,307
Speaker 2: about cricket all League behind a paywall, but jeez, I've

1199
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Speaker 2: got to be able to see my Super rugby and

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01:07:33,387 --> 01:07:37,347
Speaker 2: my test matches or I might need therapy. That's a

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01:07:37,387 --> 01:07:42,107
Speaker 2: crazy thing, isn't it. Pre Sky You know if it

1202
01:07:42,187 --> 01:07:44,547
Speaker 2: was suggested to you what I know thirty years ago,

1203
01:07:45,147 --> 01:07:46,547
Speaker 2: thirty five years ago, that you're going to have to

1204
01:07:46,587 --> 01:07:48,867
Speaker 2: pay for your pay to watch your rugby. It'd be

1205
01:07:48,947 --> 01:07:52,547
Speaker 2: outrage uproar, what do you mean, not paying to watch

1206
01:07:52,667 --> 01:07:55,827
Speaker 2: my sport? Of course, now it is the it is

1207
01:07:55,907 --> 01:07:59,307
Speaker 2: the norm. John says Bindy. We've been loving the free

1208
01:07:59,347 --> 01:08:01,467
Speaker 2: to wear niitball game every week. We've loved the season

1209
01:08:01,547 --> 01:08:06,147
Speaker 2: until the Polse got knocked out. Yeah again, it's it's

1210
01:08:06,427 --> 01:08:10,067
Speaker 2: just exposing the sport to as wide an audience as possible.

1211
01:08:10,227 --> 01:08:14,867
Speaker 2: Ken says, for me, it'll be the MPC negotiations, which

1212
01:08:14,947 --> 01:08:20,107
Speaker 2: are the ongoing conversation for the rugby rights. How much

1213
01:08:20,147 --> 01:08:23,907
Speaker 2: of the NPC turns up on Fredaware. I don't think

1214
01:08:23,947 --> 01:08:25,707
Speaker 2: we're going to see any All Blacks tests on Fredaware,

1215
01:08:25,747 --> 01:08:29,187
Speaker 2: certainly not live anyway. I really can't see that happening.

1216
01:08:29,747 --> 01:08:33,427
Speaker 2: Super Rugby probably the same. There were some Super Rugby

1217
01:08:33,467 --> 01:08:35,787
Speaker 2: games weren't there on fredawear on Sky open during the year,

1218
01:08:35,867 --> 01:08:38,507
Speaker 2: seem to remember that there were. But yeah in PC.

1219
01:08:39,027 --> 01:08:42,467
Speaker 2: In PC might be where the freeedoware element of the

1220
01:08:42,507 --> 01:08:45,347
Speaker 2: new rugby deal comes in. Certainly with TV three now

1221
01:08:45,427 --> 01:08:49,107
Speaker 2: in the stable of Sky, it might be that. Probably

1222
01:08:49,187 --> 01:08:51,267
Speaker 2: not on TV three as we know it, Maybe one

1223
01:08:51,267 --> 01:08:55,467
Speaker 2: of their other channels or on their streaming platform that

1224
01:08:55,507 --> 01:09:00,587
Speaker 2: you'll be able to watch in PC freedaware text here.

1225
01:09:00,627 --> 01:09:02,627
Speaker 2: And it makes a very good point. Until everyone has

1226
01:09:02,667 --> 01:09:09,347
Speaker 2: affordable interinet access and nationwide broadband, this may not work.

1227
01:09:10,107 --> 01:09:15,867
Speaker 2: Fredow has become a privilege, it seems. Yeah, again, the

1228
01:09:15,947 --> 01:09:18,707
Speaker 2: balance is the balance. A couple of emails actually on

1229
01:09:18,827 --> 01:09:22,987
Speaker 2: the rugby before we move, one from Dylan who is

1230
01:09:23,147 --> 01:09:26,147
Speaker 2: in Australia Pinty watching that game last night. The refs,

1231
01:09:26,707 --> 01:09:29,787
Speaker 2: including our own Ben o'keeff, bottled that decision in the

1232
01:09:29,827 --> 01:09:32,867
Speaker 2: game between the Lions and Australia World Rugby, and the

1233
01:09:32,947 --> 01:09:35,827
Speaker 2: officials have said time and time again direct contact with

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01:09:35,907 --> 01:09:39,507
Speaker 2: their head and neck with force is a penalty and

1235
01:09:39,667 --> 01:09:43,867
Speaker 2: at least a yellow card. Secondly, even if we say

1236
01:09:43,947 --> 01:09:47,067
Speaker 2: that decision was okay, the cleaning player pancakes on the ball,

1237
01:09:47,627 --> 01:09:49,787
Speaker 2: so it should have been a penalty for sealing off anyway.

1238
01:09:49,907 --> 01:09:52,587
Speaker 2: But the refs put the whistle away, didn't want to

1239
01:09:52,627 --> 01:09:55,227
Speaker 2: make the big call at the big moment, which is

1240
01:09:55,907 --> 01:10:01,267
Speaker 2: in my view pretty disgraceful. I thought it was a penalty.

1241
01:10:02,387 --> 01:10:05,507
Speaker 2: I thought it was a penalty on second look. At

1242
01:10:05,547 --> 01:10:07,427
Speaker 2: first look, I didn't pick up but on the second

1243
01:10:07,467 --> 01:10:10,227
Speaker 2: look he makes contact with that with the neck. Should

1244
01:10:10,227 --> 01:10:13,067
Speaker 2: have been a penalty. We should be going into next

1245
01:10:13,107 --> 01:10:19,147
Speaker 2: weekend with a one all scoreline. Hi Jason, Another Jason here.

1246
01:10:19,267 --> 01:10:21,987
Speaker 2: I'm a Lion supporter. I feel gutted for Australia with

1247
01:10:22,027 --> 01:10:25,547
Speaker 2: the blatantly incorrect refereeing decision. Well, we'll touch on this

1248
01:10:25,667 --> 01:10:28,867
Speaker 2: more after two o'clock when Brett McKay. Brett McKay joins

1249
01:10:28,907 --> 01:10:30,827
Speaker 2: US twenty one to two. Let's take a break come

1250
01:10:30,867 --> 01:10:33,187
Speaker 2: back with James mcconey in his regular Sunday.

1251
01:10:32,907 --> 01:10:38,227
Speaker 1: Slot, Don't get caught off Side eight eight Weekend Sports

1252
01:10:38,267 --> 01:10:42,027
Speaker 1: with Jason Payne and GJ. Gardner Holmes, New Zealand's most

1253
01:10:42,067 --> 01:10:42,987
Speaker 1: trusted home builder.

1254
01:10:43,107 --> 01:10:47,027
Speaker 2: News Talks NB one forty two one News TALKSB Sunday afternoon.

1255
01:10:47,227 --> 01:10:50,067
Speaker 2: We always chat to James mcconey. Hello mate, how's your weekend?

1256
01:10:50,667 --> 01:10:50,787
Speaker 3: Oh?

1257
01:10:50,867 --> 01:10:54,067
Speaker 16: Good, thanks Pony, Yeah, good weekend. I'm still some sport

1258
01:10:54,147 --> 01:10:57,427
Speaker 16: out there. Not a bad Saturday with the wires and

1259
01:10:57,507 --> 01:10:58,027
Speaker 16: the Lions.

1260
01:10:58,827 --> 01:11:01,987
Speaker 2: Let's talk the Lions. Did you think that was a penalty.

1261
01:11:01,587 --> 01:11:02,027
Speaker 1: At the end?

1262
01:11:03,707 --> 01:11:06,107
Speaker 16: Yeah, I did think it was a penalty, and I

1263
01:11:06,187 --> 01:11:08,987
Speaker 16: know it happens a lot with when you've got a

1264
01:11:09,027 --> 01:11:11,667
Speaker 16: jackler over the ball. But the top players find a

1265
01:11:11,747 --> 01:11:13,827
Speaker 16: way to clean those guys out because generally if you

1266
01:11:14,307 --> 01:11:16,627
Speaker 16: if your head's pointing down towards the ground, they'll clean out.

1267
01:11:16,747 --> 01:11:19,507
Speaker 16: They'll grab their back or under their outpits or you know,

1268
01:11:19,627 --> 01:11:22,147
Speaker 16: even their their waists sometimes to sort of move them

1269
01:11:22,867 --> 01:11:26,587
Speaker 16: from the spot. But you can't have direct shoulder contact

1270
01:11:26,667 --> 01:11:28,867
Speaker 16: to the back of the head and neck like that

1271
01:11:29,067 --> 01:11:31,587
Speaker 16: and not give a penalty, because it really is a

1272
01:11:31,667 --> 01:11:34,907
Speaker 16: yellow car defense. I think your previous text has said that.

1273
01:11:35,147 --> 01:11:38,347
Speaker 16: So by ignoring that, I think that the problem is

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Speaker 16: they're focusing on Tazano's dive the Hollywood, and I think

1275
01:11:43,987 --> 01:11:46,307
Speaker 16: that's that's not the point. The point is that he

1276
01:11:46,507 --> 01:11:48,467
Speaker 16: was actually hitting the back of the head and you

1277
01:11:48,667 --> 01:11:50,987
Speaker 16: have to give that as a penalty. And obviously the

1278
01:11:51,027 --> 01:11:54,587
Speaker 16: Australian directors TV directors were doing their best to show

1279
01:11:54,627 --> 01:11:57,267
Speaker 16: them all the angles. And you can even say that

1280
01:11:57,787 --> 01:12:01,307
Speaker 16: Jack Morgan that got the cleaner if you will, from

1281
01:12:01,347 --> 01:12:04,107
Speaker 16: the Lions. He left his feet as well to make

1282
01:12:04,187 --> 01:12:07,507
Speaker 16: that clean out, which is not supposed to do either.

1283
01:12:07,667 --> 01:12:10,427
Speaker 16: And they were being very picky in the breakdown every

1284
01:12:10,507 --> 01:12:13,747
Speaker 16: other for every other minute of that game. Pinty, So yes,

1285
01:12:13,827 --> 01:12:16,147
Speaker 16: it was a penalty. Yes, Australia should have won it.

1286
01:12:16,667 --> 01:12:19,187
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think today, if that penalty is given

1287
01:12:19,307 --> 01:12:21,787
Speaker 2: and Australia win the Test match, I think there's probably

1288
01:12:22,547 --> 01:12:26,267
Speaker 2: fewer arguments around than there are today. I mean, again,

1289
01:12:26,347 --> 01:12:29,107
Speaker 2: you can't take the context of the series into account,

1290
01:12:29,187 --> 01:12:31,467
Speaker 2: but had they given the penalty, Australia win the Test

1291
01:12:31,547 --> 01:12:33,267
Speaker 2: match and all of a sudden we've got a blockbuster

1292
01:12:33,787 --> 01:12:36,307
Speaker 2: series decider in Sydney next week. Again, I know that's

1293
01:12:36,347 --> 01:12:38,667
Speaker 2: not the point, but I'm not sure that you get

1294
01:12:38,667 --> 01:12:41,827
Speaker 2: as much argument if you give that penalty exactly.

1295
01:12:41,987 --> 01:12:44,147
Speaker 16: I think if you give the penalty, people are saying

1296
01:12:44,427 --> 01:12:46,467
Speaker 16: there might be a few people saying game's gone soft

1297
01:12:46,547 --> 01:12:48,787
Speaker 16: all that sort of stuff. Look, I know there's lots

1298
01:12:48,827 --> 01:12:50,907
Speaker 16: of jacklers out there. You probably would be good to

1299
01:12:50,987 --> 01:12:54,467
Speaker 16: talk to someone like Duplasy Kiddy Fee and to mark

1300
01:12:54,507 --> 01:12:56,507
Speaker 16: their tather tab nahwei. How many times do you get

1301
01:12:56,587 --> 01:12:58,707
Speaker 16: hit in the back of their head or neck and

1302
01:12:58,867 --> 01:13:01,787
Speaker 16: the ref doesn't care? Because I've said this on your

1303
01:13:01,827 --> 01:13:03,907
Speaker 16: show probably a couple of years ago, I think it's

1304
01:13:03,947 --> 01:13:06,707
Speaker 16: one of the bigg anomalies or you know, sort of

1305
01:13:06,747 --> 01:13:09,267
Speaker 16: blind spots and Rugby that they're not picking up on

1306
01:13:09,347 --> 01:13:11,787
Speaker 16: that head contact. And you could say the same for

1307
01:13:12,467 --> 01:13:14,867
Speaker 16: you know, picking go close to the line, the person

1308
01:13:14,947 --> 01:13:17,827
Speaker 16: picking and going is going low, the tackler's going low.

1309
01:13:18,187 --> 01:13:21,347
Speaker 16: It's pretty much like mountain goats on you know, National

1310
01:13:21,427 --> 01:13:25,307
Speaker 16: geographics sort of thing, where there is heat contact, but

1311
01:13:25,387 --> 01:13:28,507
Speaker 16: it's just ignored. So that's where Rugby's got to now.

1312
01:13:29,387 --> 01:13:32,867
Speaker 16: They've tried to set these parameters and now they've ignored them,

1313
01:13:32,907 --> 01:13:35,147
Speaker 16: which I think is the biggest problem with last night.

1314
01:13:35,747 --> 01:13:39,427
Speaker 2: I also think actually that you know, the Wallabies should

1315
01:13:39,467 --> 01:13:42,347
Speaker 2: have been able to hold a twenty three to five lead.

1316
01:13:42,467 --> 01:13:45,387
Speaker 2: I thought they were really good in the first half hour.

1317
01:13:45,627 --> 01:13:49,147
Speaker 2: A couple of the tries they scored, Joseph Suli was

1318
01:13:49,227 --> 01:13:52,747
Speaker 2: involved in one of them, and you finally you know

1319
01:13:53,027 --> 01:13:55,187
Speaker 2: understand why it is that they are so keen on

1320
01:13:55,307 --> 01:13:57,267
Speaker 2: this bloke exactly.

1321
01:13:57,387 --> 01:14:00,387
Speaker 16: I mean, I think that the way they went for

1322
01:14:00,507 --> 01:14:03,107
Speaker 16: Joseph Seuer is probably the smartest thing they've done in

1323
01:14:03,187 --> 01:14:06,227
Speaker 16: a while. Australian rugby Eddie Jones is the dumbest getting

1324
01:14:06,587 --> 01:14:11,147
Speaker 16: back but signing so early from Roosters from the NRL,

1325
01:14:11,427 --> 01:14:13,107
Speaker 16: it was a big battle for a signature when he

1326
01:14:13,267 --> 01:14:16,427
Speaker 16: was a rugby star as a youngster at school and

1327
01:14:16,507 --> 01:14:18,947
Speaker 16: then they lost out to league. But getting him back

1328
01:14:19,027 --> 01:14:21,267
Speaker 16: it just shows how much that one player can make

1329
01:14:21,307 --> 01:14:25,147
Speaker 16: a difference than the team's sport. Because yes we'll scouting

1330
01:14:25,227 --> 01:14:28,707
Speaker 16: Rob Valentini Bolsted. The pack and the forwards were a

1331
01:14:28,747 --> 01:14:31,667
Speaker 16: lot better, but that move it was just absolute champagne rugby.

1332
01:14:32,187 --> 01:14:34,707
Speaker 16: You know, a set play from inside their own twenty

1333
01:14:34,827 --> 01:14:38,467
Speaker 16: two really or just outside their twenty two, just flowing

1334
01:14:38,587 --> 01:14:41,227
Speaker 16: the whole length of the field. That's where rugby I

1335
01:14:41,467 --> 01:14:44,947
Speaker 16: think is at its best. And I mean you have

1336
01:14:45,027 --> 01:14:47,547
Speaker 16: to congratulate that both teams on the series. I think

1337
01:14:47,587 --> 01:14:49,787
Speaker 16: it's been better rugby than what we saw with the

1338
01:14:49,867 --> 01:14:54,787
Speaker 16: All Blacks against France, you know, just just for I

1339
01:14:54,867 --> 01:14:58,027
Speaker 16: guess the expanse of play. A lot more long passes,

1340
01:14:58,067 --> 01:15:01,147
Speaker 16: some of them don't work, but hey, they regroup, they

1341
01:15:01,227 --> 01:15:03,787
Speaker 16: get the ball backs, you know, thirty seconds later because

1342
01:15:03,787 --> 01:15:05,827
Speaker 16: everyone's box kicking, so who cares?

1343
01:15:06,547 --> 01:15:09,347
Speaker 2: And massive crowds too. Was it ninety thousand there last night?

1344
01:15:09,387 --> 01:15:11,627
Speaker 2: I know the lines are well supported with man, what

1345
01:15:11,747 --> 01:15:14,707
Speaker 2: an atmosphere there at the g last night. Hey are

1346
01:15:14,787 --> 01:15:16,467
Speaker 2: the Warriors thoughts?

1347
01:15:18,027 --> 01:15:18,227
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1348
01:15:18,307 --> 01:15:20,067
Speaker 16: Well, let's start with the way hen Now I thought

1349
01:15:20,107 --> 01:15:23,747
Speaker 16: they were. Actually they battled back so well, and then

1350
01:15:23,787 --> 01:15:27,707
Speaker 16: it was the same issues, which was not being clinical

1351
01:15:27,867 --> 01:15:30,867
Speaker 16: in the sort of danger zone really, and I think

1352
01:15:30,907 --> 01:15:32,787
Speaker 16: that's tough because it is a team that's only just

1353
01:15:32,907 --> 01:15:36,867
Speaker 16: been brought together this year, so that's okay. I think

1354
01:15:36,907 --> 01:15:40,267
Speaker 16: they did learn though, really what it's like to have

1355
01:15:40,427 --> 01:15:43,467
Speaker 16: someone who's absolutely lightning in the other team. That the

1356
01:15:43,547 --> 01:15:47,947
Speaker 16: Titans had two players in particular who are just so

1357
01:15:48,267 --> 01:15:50,627
Speaker 16: vital to their go forward and everything they did, so

1358
01:15:51,227 --> 01:15:53,787
Speaker 16: maybe they need to I mean, you've only got one

1359
01:15:53,867 --> 01:15:55,827
Speaker 16: michaela break, but you need to sort of work out

1360
01:15:55,867 --> 01:15:59,267
Speaker 16: where you place your wheels around the field with the men.

1361
01:15:59,907 --> 01:16:03,187
Speaker 16: I just thought that the Titans have just got their number,

1362
01:16:03,347 --> 01:16:06,827
Speaker 16: do they? Because even when the Titans went down, they

1363
01:16:07,467 --> 01:16:11,427
Speaker 16: were they went flustered. Karen for and had an incredible game.

1364
01:16:11,507 --> 01:16:15,427
Speaker 16: The old veteran on the left side for the left

1365
01:16:15,547 --> 01:16:19,387
Speaker 16: edge for the Titans, and really they everyone knows about

1366
01:16:19,427 --> 01:16:21,387
Speaker 16: Lequa Halla Sima now right, the cat is out of

1367
01:16:21,427 --> 01:16:24,427
Speaker 16: the bag. Leckers scored a try, made an incredible run,

1368
01:16:24,867 --> 01:16:29,427
Speaker 16: but they still managed to deal with that and take

1369
01:16:29,467 --> 01:16:32,147
Speaker 16: down the Warriors. So for me, Piney, the issue was

1370
01:16:32,227 --> 01:16:34,507
Speaker 16: one of the ones we've talked about before. Yeah, who

1371
01:16:34,547 --> 01:16:37,627
Speaker 16: are the danger? Mean Lequa Roger looked good. You need

1372
01:16:37,747 --> 01:16:41,267
Speaker 16: more dangers because if you've got two players that that

1373
01:16:41,467 --> 01:16:44,387
Speaker 16: the opposition really have to have alarm dolls four it's

1374
01:16:44,427 --> 01:16:47,667
Speaker 16: not enough. You really need five. So the great Melbourne

1375
01:16:47,667 --> 01:16:51,627
Speaker 16: Storm teams doesn't matter who comes in like Pappenhausen can

1376
01:16:51,667 --> 01:16:54,107
Speaker 16: be incredible, but they're also got their head on a

1377
01:16:54,147 --> 01:16:57,987
Speaker 16: swingle for the Xavier Coats and Cameron Munster and the rest,

1378
01:16:58,107 --> 01:17:01,227
Speaker 16: you know, I mean meaning as well. So that's where

1379
01:17:01,267 --> 01:17:05,867
Speaker 16: we're left. I think we've just got too fewer focal points.

1380
01:17:06,987 --> 01:17:08,267
Speaker 2: Do you reckon they're still top four?

1381
01:17:12,107 --> 01:17:12,347
Speaker 16: Yeah?

1382
01:17:12,587 --> 01:17:13,067
Speaker 7: I think so.

1383
01:17:13,387 --> 01:17:15,987
Speaker 16: I mean when he is an incredible coach, and I

1384
01:17:16,067 --> 01:17:19,107
Speaker 16: think he's probably learned that even getting rid of Tame

1385
01:17:19,187 --> 01:17:23,627
Speaker 16: turpic He was a mistake because he does provide I

1386
01:17:23,667 --> 01:17:29,027
Speaker 16: guess that other line breaker option, and you know, when

1387
01:17:29,067 --> 01:17:31,347
Speaker 16: it gets down to it, we sitt of need someone

1388
01:17:31,507 --> 01:17:33,587
Speaker 16: like that. I think that what they should be looking

1389
01:17:33,587 --> 01:17:35,387
Speaker 16: at though, is that last week they should be treating

1390
01:17:35,507 --> 01:17:38,827
Speaker 16: like a loss if it wasn't for Lequa's incredible try

1391
01:17:39,347 --> 01:17:42,387
Speaker 16: one of the greatest tries in the NRL history at

1392
01:17:42,467 --> 01:17:45,667
Speaker 16: the death when we're trying for a miracle drop goal

1393
01:17:45,787 --> 01:17:50,107
Speaker 16: from distance. It wasn't for that try, that's that's really

1394
01:17:50,147 --> 01:17:52,467
Speaker 16: a loss, right if it wasn't for that one little moment.

1395
01:17:52,627 --> 01:17:55,587
Speaker 16: So basically be saying, Okay, we're in a slump. Now

1396
01:17:55,667 --> 01:17:58,227
Speaker 16: we've got to actually climb out of it. And and

1397
01:17:58,347 --> 01:18:01,187
Speaker 16: so I think it is time for going back to

1398
01:18:01,267 --> 01:18:03,387
Speaker 16: the drawing board on a few things that they thought

1399
01:18:03,427 --> 01:18:05,627
Speaker 16: were going to work. And waiting and being out is

1400
01:18:05,827 --> 01:18:07,827
Speaker 16: a big problem because I think with that head knock,

1401
01:18:07,867 --> 01:18:09,027
Speaker 16: he's not available next week.

1402
01:18:09,427 --> 01:18:12,227
Speaker 2: No, he's definitely not. So you're right, there's another change

1403
01:18:12,307 --> 01:18:14,587
Speaker 2: coming there. A couple of other matters am Z Premiership

1404
01:18:14,667 --> 01:18:17,107
Speaker 2: Netball Final this afternoon, a couple of hours away, two

1405
01:18:17,227 --> 01:18:20,387
Speaker 2: time defending champion Mystics, the Tactics who have never won it.

1406
01:18:21,067 --> 01:18:21,787
Speaker 2: Who you got here?

1407
01:18:23,827 --> 01:18:25,947
Speaker 16: I'm going to go maybe against the grain and go

1408
01:18:26,107 --> 01:18:31,107
Speaker 16: for the Tactics. I think Donna Wilkins formerly Donna Loughhagen

1409
01:18:31,507 --> 01:18:35,107
Speaker 16: has just brought some steely resolve forgive the pun because

1410
01:18:35,147 --> 01:18:37,467
Speaker 16: she is just one of those coaches who caused it

1411
01:18:37,547 --> 01:18:40,027
Speaker 16: as she see it, sees it, and all those players

1412
01:18:40,067 --> 01:18:45,227
Speaker 16: have responded to her, let's say brutal honesty, earthy language

1413
01:18:45,387 --> 01:18:49,427
Speaker 16: and just you know, the vibe of a winner's mentality.

1414
01:18:49,667 --> 01:18:52,867
Speaker 16: So she is, she's tough, she's got that southern grit

1415
01:18:52,987 --> 01:18:56,667
Speaker 16: and I think the tactics will go there, you know,

1416
01:18:56,867 --> 01:19:01,347
Speaker 16: just feeling confident anyway. The mystics though, look, no grass

1417
01:19:01,427 --> 01:19:04,667
Speaker 16: and wiki hasn't really slowed them down. They are sort

1418
01:19:04,707 --> 01:19:07,667
Speaker 16: of like a classic what would you call it, Like

1419
01:19:07,787 --> 01:19:12,147
Speaker 16: a free flowing team that just seem to sort of

1420
01:19:12,267 --> 01:19:15,307
Speaker 16: be telepath it with their play. But yeah, I'm going

1421
01:19:15,347 --> 01:19:17,827
Speaker 16: for Donna and her girls from down south.

1422
01:19:18,147 --> 01:19:21,227
Speaker 2: All right. And it's been confirmed this week. I think

1423
01:19:21,267 --> 01:19:23,867
Speaker 2: it's been generally understood for a while that there we

1424
01:19:23,987 --> 01:19:26,867
Speaker 2: know Auckland FC women's team in the coming season. That

1425
01:19:27,147 --> 01:19:29,787
Speaker 2: was the original plan that having stood the men's team up,

1426
01:19:29,787 --> 01:19:31,067
Speaker 2: they would do the same with the women and the

1427
01:19:31,147 --> 01:19:33,547
Speaker 2: women would compete in the Women's A League in the

1428
01:19:33,587 --> 01:19:35,307
Speaker 2: season ahead. That will now have to wait for at

1429
01:19:35,387 --> 01:19:37,707
Speaker 2: least one more season. I'm a bit gutted about this.

1430
01:19:37,947 --> 01:19:39,947
Speaker 2: I love the men's derby so much I was looking

1431
01:19:39,987 --> 01:19:40,987
Speaker 2: forward to the women's ones.

1432
01:19:41,867 --> 01:19:45,267
Speaker 16: Yeah, this is a massive kicking the guts for people

1433
01:19:45,307 --> 01:19:48,147
Speaker 16: who love football, for women playing football in Auckland and

1434
01:19:48,427 --> 01:19:51,547
Speaker 16: fans of women's football in the Queen's city, the city

1435
01:19:51,587 --> 01:19:55,347
Speaker 16: of Sales. So look, it really is a big backtrack.

1436
01:19:55,467 --> 01:19:59,547
Speaker 16: And I know that there's financial concerns from the A

1437
01:19:59,707 --> 01:20:02,027
Speaker 16: League saying, look the competition runs at the lost, we

1438
01:20:02,107 --> 01:20:04,987
Speaker 16: can't afford to check another team into the mix. So

1439
01:20:05,627 --> 01:20:07,987
Speaker 16: that's one fact. But the other factor is, like I

1440
01:20:08,107 --> 01:20:10,827
Speaker 16: think Auckland they see probably need to front foot this

1441
01:20:10,907 --> 01:20:13,147
Speaker 16: a bit more and say what the plan is and

1442
01:20:13,267 --> 01:20:16,307
Speaker 16: what's going to happen, because you know, if you're an

1443
01:20:16,347 --> 01:20:19,867
Speaker 16: aspiring footballer in Auckland, and when they launched Aukland the FC,

1444
01:20:19,987 --> 01:20:22,547
Speaker 16: they said this is the team for all of Auckland,

1445
01:20:22,627 --> 01:20:25,307
Speaker 16: you know, so they need to leave let all of

1446
01:20:25,387 --> 01:20:30,387
Speaker 16: Auckland know, especially women's football is exactly where they stand,

1447
01:20:30,507 --> 01:20:34,147
Speaker 16: what the plan is next when the trials are what,

1448
01:20:35,107 --> 01:20:37,987
Speaker 16: you know, when they're planning to assemble them and muster

1449
01:20:38,667 --> 01:20:42,187
Speaker 16: all the players. So that's I just think it's been

1450
01:20:42,267 --> 01:20:46,147
Speaker 16: a little handled clunkily and it's not really a good

1451
01:20:46,187 --> 01:20:48,627
Speaker 16: look for a team that sort of had a really

1452
01:20:48,787 --> 01:20:51,667
Speaker 16: like a pr sort of like ridden a wave. It's

1453
01:20:51,707 --> 01:20:53,987
Speaker 16: been a dream for them so far, but this this

1454
01:20:54,147 --> 01:20:54,587
Speaker 16: isn't great.

1455
01:20:55,787 --> 01:20:57,947
Speaker 2: Got to leave it there for today, mate, Always love

1456
01:20:58,067 --> 01:21:00,667
Speaker 2: chatting sport with you. Should we do it again next Sunday?

1457
01:21:01,387 --> 01:21:03,467
Speaker 16: Why not? Finey, let's talk next Sunday.

1458
01:21:03,907 --> 01:21:06,267
Speaker 2: Let's do it mate. You have a great week. James

1459
01:21:06,387 --> 01:21:08,307
Speaker 2: mcconey A big part of our Sunday afternoons here on

1460
01:21:08,387 --> 01:21:12,147
Speaker 2: Weekend Sport. Coming up seven away from two when.

1461
01:21:12,027 --> 01:21:14,307
Speaker 1: It's down to the line. You made a call on

1462
01:21:15,667 --> 01:21:19,587
Speaker 1: ten eighty Weekend Sports with Jason Paine, News Talk zeb.

1463
01:21:20,187 --> 01:21:24,187
Speaker 2: Text on the Fredaware issue. My son's eighteen loves playing cricket.

1464
01:21:24,267 --> 01:21:25,587
Speaker 2: I took him to watch a game at the last

1465
01:21:25,587 --> 01:21:27,667
Speaker 2: World Cup in New Zealand. He had no idea about

1466
01:21:27,667 --> 01:21:30,147
Speaker 2: the game before then because there was no cricket on Fredaware.

1467
01:21:30,627 --> 01:21:32,707
Speaker 2: As a single mum, I realized he was missing out

1468
01:21:32,747 --> 01:21:34,707
Speaker 2: on learning about heats of sports. So I got Sky

1469
01:21:35,147 --> 01:21:37,267
Speaker 2: so he could watch and learn about a lot of sports.

1470
01:21:37,307 --> 01:21:39,947
Speaker 2: He got into them and loves it to this day.

1471
01:21:40,067 --> 01:21:45,027
Speaker 2: Fredaware is necessary for exposure because not everyone can afford Sky,

1472
01:21:45,227 --> 01:21:47,947
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Indeed. Nelson Suburbs have gone ahead

1473
01:21:47,987 --> 01:21:51,067
Speaker 2: of Birkenhead an extra time in their Chatham Cup quarter

1474
01:21:51,187 --> 01:21:55,267
Speaker 2: final halftime. In extra time, Nelson Suburbs lead Birkenhead two

1475
01:21:55,267 --> 01:21:58,427
Speaker 2: to one as they look for passage into the final

1476
01:21:58,547 --> 01:22:02,547
Speaker 2: four of football's Chatham Cup. After two o'clock we'll get

1477
01:22:02,547 --> 01:22:06,187
Speaker 2: across the Tasman Wallaby's British and Irish lines. Big controversy

1478
01:22:06,427 --> 01:22:09,027
Speaker 2: end of that game, which way should it have gone?

1479
01:22:09,307 --> 01:22:12,187
Speaker 2: Brett McKay out of Australia, And then we'll preview the

1480
01:22:12,627 --> 01:22:16,827
Speaker 2: A and ZED Premiership Final mystics, the tactics inside both

1481
01:22:16,907 --> 01:22:20,467
Speaker 2: camps ahead of the grand Finals.

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Speaker 1: The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on

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Speaker 1: and after field. It's all on Wi James Sport with

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Speaker 1: Jason Vaine on your home of Sport.

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Speaker 2: Talk Hello there and welcome in or welcome back. This

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Speaker 2: is Weekend Sport for another hour or so. Then we'll

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Speaker 2: hand over to the Weekend Collective Starrington Beverick. It's two

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Speaker 2: o seven. I'm Jason Pine with Any McDonnell producing the show.

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Speaker 2: What's coming up? Between now and three we go state side,

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Speaker 2: Leon Busby, our American sports expert, updating us on all

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Speaker 2: matters American sport. At the back end of the hour,

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Speaker 2: we will get you inside both teams involved in the

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Speaker 2: A and Z Premiership Netball final four o'clock this afternoon

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Speaker 2: Live commentary on Gold Sport Mikayla pscle Beatson out of

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Speaker 2: the mystics, Ali Bird out of the tactics very shortly

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Speaker 2: will drill down into this win by the Lions, the

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Speaker 2: British and Irish lines, that is last night against the

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Speaker 2: Wallabies in front of ninety thousand and Melbourne, and in

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Speaker 2: particular the controversy that engulfed the game near the end

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Speaker 2: and is still wagging tongues today. If you saw it

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Speaker 2: and have a view, we can open the lines on

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Speaker 2: that as well. Lines are open all afternoon oh eight

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Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty nine, two ninety two if

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Speaker 2: you would preferred to correspond via text. Nelson Suburbs still

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Speaker 2: lead Burke and then United two to one late and

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Speaker 2: extra time in their Chatham Cup quarter final and wonderful

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Speaker 2: Nelson as Suburbs. Nelson Suburbs look to make it into

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Speaker 2: the final four, but with the time just ticking past

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Speaker 2: eight past two. As we always do on weekend Sport

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Speaker 2: after the two o'clock news, we get you across some

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Speaker 2: of the stuff you may have missed in case you

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Speaker 2: missed it, sporting wise, starting on the Tour de France,

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Speaker 2: an incredible ride from Caden Groves saw Australia get their

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Speaker 2: second stage win in just a few days on this

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Speaker 2: year's tour.

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Speaker 17: What an incredible ride.

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Speaker 3: Courageous, absolutely courageous.

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Speaker 18: This rider is.

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Speaker 4: Now a stage winner in all three Grand Tours.

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Speaker 2: The emotion breaks out solo when Caden Grove Stage twenty

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Speaker 2: he's a sprinter in the unfamiliar conditions of holding on

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Speaker 2: in a breakaway group last stage tonight, tado forgatcha in

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Speaker 2: yellow a foreman a lead, that us a ceremonial ride

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Speaker 2: for him down the shops, so he say. Meantime, in

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Speaker 2: caden Grove's homeland, Australia, the Penrith Panthers absolutely flying in

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Speaker 2: the NRL relitless really.

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Speaker 4: Trove number six, trown number six in win seven in

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Speaker 4: a row.

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Speaker 2: Thirty six points to two. The Panthers running over the

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Speaker 2: top of the Tiger's hard to work though for the

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Speaker 2: shots against the Rabbin Hoss the.

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Speaker 18: High kick goes up tass on the wing dumped down

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Speaker 18: at Mullettalla, Kennedy Kep said, still the last five volet

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Speaker 18: Braly's over pro is in three at body work from

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Speaker 18: bullet taller and then the finish and Cronolla gave their

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Speaker 18: second track.

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Speaker 2: And it tried just enough to get them across the

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Speaker 2: line fourteen points to twelve to Motorsport Max for stamp

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Speaker 2: and returning to the winner's circle.

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Speaker 19: He's victorious. It's far on this Saturday afternoon. Max the

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Speaker 19: staff and leads home. Oscar Piastree and Lando Norris McLaren

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Speaker 19: were a very healthy points all. But it's for Stappen

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Speaker 19: win the victory number one and he was number one

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Speaker 19: on the road today.

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Speaker 2: That's Max for step and taking out the sprint race

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Speaker 2: and Old Jim the actual Formula one race overnight tonight,

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Speaker 2: Liam Lawson ninth on the grid and the black Caps

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Speaker 2: winners of their first tournament of Rob Walter's reign as

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Speaker 2: head coach. There we go last.

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Speaker 19: Delivery swing of the merse and New Zealand they've been undefeata.

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Speaker 17: Then they take home the victory and star.

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Speaker 19: The black Caps in hourrarah, unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: The scoop from the track fields and the court on

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Speaker 1: your home of sort weekends for it with Jason Vine

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Speaker 1: News Talks.

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Speaker 2: Inb eleven past two, the British and Irish Lions have

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Speaker 2: edged Australia twenty nine to twenty six in a thrilling

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Speaker 2: rugby test in front of ninety thousand fans in Melbourne,

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Speaker 2: courtesy of a last minute try to Hugo Keenan, wrapping

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Speaker 2: up the series two nil with one game to spare.

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Speaker 2: The try was awarded despite Wallaby's flanker Carlo Tizzano appearing

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Speaker 2: to have been illegally cleaned out in the build up

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Speaker 2: by Lions reserve back rower Jack Morgan. The referees had

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Speaker 2: a look at it afterwards voted at the same time,

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Speaker 2: rock player, who's roughing? We don't see any four playing

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Speaker 2: trice down.

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Speaker 17: Maybe try for the Lions. What a combat for the Lions?

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Speaker 2: And the trophy is going back to.

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Speaker 17: The Northern headyfield.

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Speaker 2: If he had to say the decision wasn't universally agreed

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Speaker 2: with his former Wallaby Morgan totanui afterwards, but the end.

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Speaker 4: Is a penalty to the Wallabies and the referees were

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Speaker 4: too weak to give it. It doesn't matter you cannot

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Speaker 4: hit a guy in the back of the neck. The

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Speaker 4: referees have got it wrong. It has cost the Wallaby's

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Speaker 4: survival of the series. The British and Irish science lead

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Speaker 4: this series tool it was crave to come back from them,

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Speaker 4: but it is a terrible decision with the Scientist.

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Speaker 2: Match there you go. Not a lot of gray area there.

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Speaker 2: From Morgan to the Neui. The lines had overcome an

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Speaker 2: eighteen point deficit after three first half tries and eight

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Speaker 2: minutes for Australia. Let's bring in our favorite Australian rugby voice,

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Speaker 2: Brett McKay. Hear him on the eight nine Combo Rugby podcast.

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Speaker 2: Read him at RugbyPass dot com. Brett, Let's start at

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Speaker 2: the end. Was it an illegal cleanout?

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Speaker 20: It didn't look great, I'll say that up up front,

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Speaker 20: but having looked at it a few more times so

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Speaker 20: it certainly it wasn't clear. I didn't think and I

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Speaker 20: know Joe Schmidt teed off postmatch about protecting welfare of

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Speaker 20: players and things like that, but it kind of, I

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Speaker 20: don't know, on a few viewings afterwards, it kind of

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Speaker 20: looked like he's probably come down on back of shoulders

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Speaker 20: and maybe neck and so you know, maybe that's where

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Speaker 20: maybe maybe it's the maybe that it makes it a

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Speaker 20: makes it makes it a still a highly contentious moment.

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Speaker 20: But it always felt like, in particularly in those last

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Speaker 20: five minutes, it was going to come down to a

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Speaker 20: big decision like that, and it was just a matter

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Speaker 20: of where's it going to come on, which part of

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Speaker 20: the field, who's in possession. You know how much time

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Speaker 20: lists on the clock and you know there we were

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Speaker 20: eightieth minute and it all happened. And the feeling the

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Speaker 20: next morning, mate, I've got to say is still every

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Speaker 20: bit is gutting and deflating as it was trying to

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Speaker 20: come back to the hotel and you know, wind.

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Speaker 13: Out last night.

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Speaker 20: It's just one of those real, real gut punches that

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Speaker 20: just hits you.

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Speaker 2: Some of the rugby. The Wallabies played the first half

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Speaker 2: out as good as I've seen and I'll get your

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Speaker 2: view unless in recent times how much optimism did that

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Speaker 2: give you last night? And does it give you I

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Speaker 2: guess moving forward even though this is deflating.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, look it has to mate, it and your spot

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Speaker 20: on it was you know, it was probably the it

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Speaker 20: was probably the most comprehensive you know, thirty four thirty

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Speaker 20: five minutes of the first half that we've seen from

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Speaker 20: this playing group. You know, the we've been We've been

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Speaker 20: talking on the eight nine all week about them having

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Speaker 20: to you know, start well, get out to a lead early,

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Speaker 20: extend it. What really really pushed the Lions because we

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Speaker 20: hadn't seen that of them this this tour. The only

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Speaker 20: time that the Lirens had trailed at halftime was in

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Speaker 20: Dublin against Argentina. And so you know, the Reds, the Brumbies,

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Speaker 20: even the Warrior tak to an extend to the First

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Speaker 20: Nations game here in Melbourne on Tuesday night. You know,

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Speaker 20: they they sort of try to try early on and

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Speaker 20: the Lions had to try to really catch up to

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Speaker 20: play the game. But at no point on tour had

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Speaker 20: the Lions trailed and really had to play to get

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Speaker 20: back into the game. And so you know, to build

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Speaker 20: believed that they did was just absolutely fantastic and you're right,

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Speaker 20: played some brilliant rugby, you know, a lot more physical

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Speaker 20: in the carry. Found a way to get Joseph SUALII

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Speaker 20: involved at thirteen and it was his little little left

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Speaker 20: footstep to straighten that put Tom puts Tom right away

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Speaker 20: from halfway. So you know, a really really good piece

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Speaker 20: of rugby. So look going forward, mate, it's got to

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Speaker 20: bring optimism because you know they've they've pushed one of

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Speaker 20: the very best teams in the world, you know, all

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Speaker 20: the way and you know, probably probably could have could

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Speaker 20: make arguments for them for them winning that game. So

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Speaker 20: that's it's got to give them belief, it's got to

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Speaker 20: give optimism and it's got to be a step forward

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Speaker 20: for a straight and rugby from here.

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Speaker 2: Tell us about the lines come back though, from twenty

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Speaker 2: three to five down. What did they do differently? How

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Speaker 2: did they get themselves back into the match.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, it was one of those things that there was

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Speaker 20: always going to be a response and we've seen we

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Speaker 20: have seen in games before halftime and we see this

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Speaker 20: against New Zealand and we certainly said against South Africa

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Speaker 20: as well. The top team always managed to find a

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Speaker 20: gear in those five minutes either side of halftime, don't

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Speaker 20: they And there was just a feeling of they you know,

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Speaker 20: like twenty twenty three five would be great, ye, but

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Speaker 20: they really got to make sure it doesn't get it

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01:32:19,187 --> 01:32:21,987
Speaker 20: doesn't get not narrowed and then you know they score

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Speaker 20: that it's second try of curries and that was just

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Speaker 20: a little bit soft. I think they the Lions are

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Speaker 20: able to get back into the Wallabies half and then

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Speaker 20: and then twenty two I think way too easily and

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Speaker 20: then the third try probably hit them while they're on

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Speaker 20: the back foot.

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Speaker 5: Where's that?

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Speaker 20: You know, where's that try come from? Oh, now we've

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01:32:41,987 --> 01:32:44,867
Speaker 20: conceded another one. And so you know, suddenly, as say

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Speaker 20: twenty three ten at halftime they probably could have taken,

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01:32:47,227 --> 01:32:51,027
Speaker 20: but twenty three seventeen it probably changes the messaging at

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01:32:51,067 --> 01:32:53,587
Speaker 20: half time, you can imagine that twenty three ten, the

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Speaker 20: messaging is really really positive. You know, it's a good lead, boys,

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Speaker 20: let's go out score first, extend that, put them on

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Speaker 20: the back foot again. Do what we've been doing. Twenty

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Speaker 20: three seventeen, though, suddenly it's all, you know, boy, this

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Speaker 20: is what we could have but this is what we

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Speaker 20: could have been doing instead. We've got to now do this.

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Speaker 20: And you know, they did score first, they did that penalty,

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Speaker 20: but that was and that was about the fifty third,

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Speaker 20: fifty fourth minute. And after that point I actually wasn't

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Speaker 20: one hundredscent sure where the points were going to come

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Speaker 20: from from the Wallabies, and that was always a danger.

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Speaker 20: Was twenty six points for me enough? It never felt

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Speaker 20: really felt like it was going to and certainly in

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Speaker 20: the last quarter there was just no points coming and

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Speaker 20: and no real threat of points coming from the rumby

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Speaker 20: from the Brumbies from the lines at that point back to.

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Speaker 2: Back t Stants and the team jersey for Tom Liiner,

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Speaker 2: does he appeal as the long term Wallabies first five

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Speaker 2: to yet it feels like at.

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Speaker 20: The moment made yes. Yes, And I think they had

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Speaker 20: a different shape about them last night. And I think

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Speaker 20: there was a much better connection with the midfield as well.

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Speaker 20: So the big adjustment that we noticed was that they

1694
01:34:01,867 --> 01:34:05,347
Speaker 20: were playing, particularly when they were going wide to midfield,

1695
01:34:05,387 --> 01:34:07,947
Speaker 20: they were playing a lot more before the game line

1696
01:34:08,067 --> 01:34:11,187
Speaker 20: rather than trying to burst sue a league through a

1697
01:34:11,387 --> 01:34:13,667
Speaker 20: through a gap as he made contact in Brisbane. They

1698
01:34:14,227 --> 01:34:16,547
Speaker 20: were really playing before the game line and letting him

1699
01:34:16,667 --> 01:34:19,867
Speaker 20: do something, you know, with the time and space that

1700
01:34:19,907 --> 01:34:22,267
Speaker 20: he had, and it did definitely work. There was a

1701
01:34:22,307 --> 01:34:25,227
Speaker 20: few opportunities there to you know, for him to make

1702
01:34:25,267 --> 01:34:26,827
Speaker 20: a few little line breaks, to get a few little

1703
01:34:26,827 --> 01:34:30,307
Speaker 20: off loads away and things. So so Lina certainly takes

1704
01:34:30,667 --> 01:34:33,627
Speaker 20: takes credit for that. Obviously the game plan was was

1705
01:34:33,667 --> 01:34:37,267
Speaker 20: tweaked to it to allow that. So yeah, I think

1706
01:34:37,347 --> 01:34:40,027
Speaker 20: I think he does for now. Obviously, Noel la Ceo.

1707
01:34:41,347 --> 01:34:42,347
Speaker 20: He is going to be out of action for the

1708
01:34:42,387 --> 01:34:45,947
Speaker 20: next six months anyway, but him heading to Japan probably

1709
01:34:46,027 --> 01:34:48,627
Speaker 20: meant he wouldn't have played the Rugby Championship. I can

1710
01:34:48,707 --> 01:34:51,347
Speaker 20: I can imagine. I can actually imagine now all the

1711
01:34:51,427 --> 01:34:54,387
Speaker 20: guys that are heading overseas at the end of this

1712
01:34:54,507 --> 01:34:57,747
Speaker 20: season probably now don't play the Rugby Championship, so there'll

1713
01:34:57,747 --> 01:34:59,347
Speaker 20: be a few few players coming there. But I think

1714
01:34:59,427 --> 01:35:03,747
Speaker 20: Tom Liner is the is the way forward until until

1715
01:35:03,827 --> 01:35:07,347
Speaker 20: such time that the great next Australian fly half hope

1716
01:35:08,827 --> 01:35:09,627
Speaker 20: through super.

1717
01:35:09,427 --> 01:35:13,467
Speaker 2: Rug And does this actually add some spice to next

1718
01:35:13,507 --> 01:35:15,827
Speaker 2: week's Suppose did rub a third test? I mean the

1719
01:35:15,867 --> 01:35:18,467
Speaker 2: series decided, but a Wallaby side who feel that were

1720
01:35:18,627 --> 01:35:21,507
Speaker 2: robbed last night perhaps deeply motivated to make sure they

1721
01:35:21,547 --> 01:35:22,507
Speaker 2: get one back in Sydney.

1722
01:35:23,027 --> 01:35:25,427
Speaker 20: Yeah, look, I hope so, mate, I hope so. And

1723
01:35:26,187 --> 01:35:29,467
Speaker 20: we had had this this very topic of conversation on

1724
01:35:29,547 --> 01:35:32,787
Speaker 20: the on the eight nine post mortem straight out for

1725
01:35:32,827 --> 01:35:35,387
Speaker 20: Full Time last night that you know, what does next

1726
01:35:35,427 --> 01:35:38,867
Speaker 20: week look like? Do the Lions? Does Andy Farrell take

1727
01:35:38,867 --> 01:35:42,867
Speaker 20: the opportunity to to go to Henry Pollock and Josh

1728
01:35:42,947 --> 01:35:45,427
Speaker 20: Thunderflare and maybe Gary ring Rose of his fit to say,

1729
01:35:45,467 --> 01:35:48,707
Speaker 20: you know, you guys are part of this. You get

1730
01:35:48,747 --> 01:35:50,667
Speaker 20: on you get on the field here, Let's let's make

1731
01:35:50,707 --> 01:35:54,187
Speaker 20: sure that we finish this three nail sweep equally, does

1732
01:35:54,267 --> 01:35:56,987
Speaker 20: he go hard to make sure he does get that

1733
01:35:57,067 --> 01:36:00,427
Speaker 20: three nail sweep? The Wallabies, I can imagine I'd actually

1734
01:36:00,547 --> 01:36:03,987
Speaker 20: like to see Joe Schmid say to last night's twenty

1735
01:36:04,067 --> 01:36:08,467
Speaker 20: three pending fitness brother, guys, don't and prove that we

1736
01:36:08,507 --> 01:36:11,267
Speaker 20: can do it. Let's stop the stop the sweep at

1737
01:36:11,307 --> 01:36:13,627
Speaker 20: any cost. So yeah, look, I think the Wally is

1738
01:36:13,627 --> 01:36:16,187
Speaker 20: still a plenty of motivation. I'll be I'll be curious

1739
01:36:16,227 --> 01:36:19,467
Speaker 20: to see what the what the Lions are like next

1740
01:36:19,507 --> 01:36:21,587
Speaker 20: week because they would have had a big night last night.

1741
01:36:21,907 --> 01:36:24,627
Speaker 20: It was already starting at the MCG before before we

1742
01:36:24,787 --> 01:36:27,067
Speaker 20: managed to pack up in the in the media area.

1743
01:36:27,627 --> 01:36:31,667
Speaker 20: At one point, suddenly the whole playing squad emerges out

1744
01:36:31,707 --> 01:36:33,547
Speaker 20: in the middle of the Melbourne Creek ground with plastic

1745
01:36:33,667 --> 01:36:35,427
Speaker 20: chairs and they're sitting in a circle and they're obviously,

1746
01:36:35,547 --> 01:36:38,387
Speaker 20: you know, having cheers and giving thanks for that. And

1747
01:36:38,427 --> 01:36:41,987
Speaker 20: then suddenly Hugo Xenan has obviously been dispatched to the

1748
01:36:42,027 --> 01:36:44,587
Speaker 20: corner to reenact the try and so suddenly he's just

1749
01:36:46,267 --> 01:36:49,107
Speaker 20: just belted up for the try dive for the corner.

1750
01:36:49,147 --> 01:36:51,267
Speaker 20: There was much celebrations and they were done, they walked

1751
01:36:51,307 --> 01:36:53,507
Speaker 20: off and took their chairs with them, So you know,

1752
01:36:53,947 --> 01:36:56,587
Speaker 20: I can imagine Lions had a good night last night

1753
01:36:56,627 --> 01:36:56,947
Speaker 20: as well.

1754
01:36:57,307 --> 01:36:59,227
Speaker 2: Great summary of a big night in Melbourn. Thanks so

1755
01:36:59,307 --> 01:37:01,187
Speaker 2: much for joining us, Brett, really appreciate your time as

1756
01:37:01,187 --> 01:37:05,467
Speaker 2: always good Thanks many, Thank you, Brett. Brett McKay know

1757
01:37:05,547 --> 01:37:09,427
Speaker 2: one of our favorite correspondence here on Weekend Sport. I

1758
01:37:09,467 --> 01:37:12,027
Speaker 2: thought it was a penalty. I thought it was a penalty.

1759
01:37:12,067 --> 01:37:13,667
Speaker 2: I've looked at it a many times. I've looked at

1760
01:37:13,707 --> 01:37:15,707
Speaker 2: it a dozen times. And the more you look at it,

1761
01:37:15,747 --> 01:37:17,787
Speaker 2: it's like the law of diminishing return, isn't it. The

1762
01:37:17,867 --> 01:37:19,907
Speaker 2: more you look at something sometimes the lest sure you are.

1763
01:37:19,947 --> 01:37:22,027
Speaker 2: But I reckon it's a penalty. I reckon he's hit

1764
01:37:22,107 --> 01:37:25,587
Speaker 2: him on on the neck with force and it has

1765
01:37:25,667 --> 01:37:27,867
Speaker 2: to be a penalty. But I know that it's not.

1766
01:37:28,587 --> 01:37:33,467
Speaker 2: The unanimously universally held view be keen on your views

1767
01:37:33,507 --> 01:37:36,307
Speaker 2: of eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, Brennan says, how

1768
01:37:36,347 --> 01:37:38,907
Speaker 2: does Morgan Tutanu get away with bagging wrists like that?

1769
01:37:39,307 --> 01:37:40,907
Speaker 2: He did the same after the Brumbies loss at the

1770
01:37:40,947 --> 01:37:44,187
Speaker 2: Crusaders in the last few minutes of the Super rugby competition.

1771
01:37:44,307 --> 01:37:46,827
Speaker 2: Other commentators speak with a balanced look at it. He

1772
01:37:46,947 --> 01:37:50,067
Speaker 2: just can't help himself. The fact is the Aussies shouldn't

1773
01:37:50,107 --> 01:37:52,387
Speaker 2: have been in that position and bring in that last

1774
01:37:52,427 --> 01:37:55,507
Speaker 2: point is very salient. They were twenty three to five ahead.

1775
01:37:57,987 --> 01:38:00,707
Speaker 2: Chris said Or says, I one hundred percent think it

1776
01:38:00,827 --> 01:38:04,547
Speaker 2: was the right call to not penalize Jack Morgan. If

1777
01:38:04,627 --> 01:38:07,467
Speaker 2: Keenan had not scored to should have been penalized for

1778
01:38:07,587 --> 01:38:11,427
Speaker 2: terrible acting. Thanks Chris. Good Afternoon, says Mike. I thought

1779
01:38:11,467 --> 01:38:15,227
Speaker 2: it was fifty to fifty. Great game the AUSSI should

1780
01:38:15,227 --> 01:38:18,147
Speaker 2: have wrapped it up well before that, Thanks Mike. Phil

1781
01:38:18,187 --> 01:38:20,067
Speaker 2: says I was gathered by that decision. I thought it

1782
01:38:20,107 --> 01:38:21,667
Speaker 2: was a penalty. Plus I had forty bucks on the

1783
01:38:21,707 --> 01:38:24,347
Speaker 2: assis and under I thought I was in for a

1784
01:38:24,387 --> 01:38:27,107
Speaker 2: good payday. Bugger. Scott Barrett says this TeX's got a

1785
01:38:27,147 --> 01:38:29,427
Speaker 2: red card for a similar clear out against the box

1786
01:38:29,507 --> 01:38:33,027
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three. Surely it is at least a penalty.

1787
01:38:33,827 --> 01:38:35,507
Speaker 2: I think it is. I think it is a penalty.

1788
01:38:37,427 --> 01:38:40,507
Speaker 2: Hallo Piney says this text glorious day and marsterden no

1789
01:38:40,627 --> 01:38:43,347
Speaker 2: surprise is there. Watching rugby last night was like looking

1790
01:38:43,427 --> 01:38:47,707
Speaker 2: at Hereford balls the Lions playing Jersey steers the Wallabies.

1791
01:38:47,707 --> 01:38:50,467
Speaker 2: It was disgraceful. The Northern Hemisphere players have no skill,

1792
01:38:50,667 --> 01:38:53,947
Speaker 2: just braun. The Reef was intimidated by the Lions captain

1793
01:38:53,947 --> 01:38:57,307
Speaker 2: all the way through the game. Our ben was really

1794
01:38:57,387 --> 01:38:59,547
Speaker 2: a co ref it's been oky. Of course they were

1795
01:38:59,587 --> 01:39:01,387
Speaker 2: too scared to make the correct decision at the finish.

1796
01:39:02,347 --> 01:39:04,227
Speaker 2: As for the diving try at the beginning, this is

1797
01:39:04,267 --> 01:39:05,947
Speaker 2: the other one. He is the diving try. What to

1798
01:39:06,027 --> 01:39:08,427
Speaker 2: defend teams do now is they have to tackle low down.

1799
01:39:09,067 --> 01:39:11,347
Speaker 2: I won't be watching the third Test. Thank you for

1800
01:39:11,467 --> 01:39:16,107
Speaker 2: your text. Think of your text and on email from

1801
01:39:16,227 --> 01:39:18,627
Speaker 2: Mahendra and this is a really well thought out email.

1802
01:39:19,907 --> 01:39:22,707
Speaker 2: Whether it was the correct or incorrect decision, the question

1803
01:39:22,907 --> 01:39:26,027
Speaker 2: is what do we want. Here's a few examples when

1804
01:39:26,067 --> 01:39:28,827
Speaker 2: the lines will ask. In New Zealand, the ar bullied

1805
01:39:28,827 --> 01:39:32,027
Speaker 2: the reef into changing his correct decision to an incorrect

1806
01:39:32,067 --> 01:39:34,147
Speaker 2: one and deny the all Blacks are shot at a

1807
01:39:34,187 --> 01:39:37,027
Speaker 2: penalty to win the game. In South Africa, we complained

1808
01:39:37,027 --> 01:39:41,187
Speaker 2: when the TMO didn't interfere and rule out a South

1809
01:39:41,227 --> 01:39:43,867
Speaker 2: African try and Duaneeda and we complained about too much

1810
01:39:44,027 --> 01:39:46,907
Speaker 2: TMO interference and asked that the Reefs make the call.

1811
01:39:47,267 --> 01:39:50,067
Speaker 2: There was the Fiji game with going back many phases,

1812
01:39:50,107 --> 01:39:52,547
Speaker 2: not to mention the last Rugby World Cup. Fine, and

1813
01:39:52,747 --> 01:39:55,747
Speaker 2: last night the ars didn't interfere. They went with the

1814
01:39:55,787 --> 01:39:58,027
Speaker 2: ref's call and the TMO didn't interfere, and now we're

1815
01:39:58,027 --> 01:40:03,347
Speaker 2: complaining again. It's a good point, Mahendra. The governing body

1816
01:40:03,387 --> 01:40:05,867
Speaker 2: and US fans need to decide what it is that

1817
01:40:05,987 --> 01:40:10,387
Speaker 2: we am actually want. Two twenty four Nelson Suburbs are

1818
01:40:10,387 --> 01:40:12,787
Speaker 2: through to the semi finals of the Chatham Cup. They

1819
01:40:12,907 --> 01:40:17,027
Speaker 2: join Wellington Olympic Eastern Suburbs and Auckland United in the

1820
01:40:17,107 --> 01:40:20,867
Speaker 2: pot for the final four. Scenes of celebration in Nelson

1821
01:40:21,107 --> 01:40:25,027
Speaker 2: as they closed it out over Birkenhead in extra time.

1822
01:40:25,867 --> 01:40:28,427
Speaker 2: When we come back, it's the Netball an Z Premiership

1823
01:40:28,507 --> 01:40:32,227
Speaker 2: Final four o'clock this afternoon on Gold Sport, Northern Mystics

1824
01:40:33,147 --> 01:40:36,667
Speaker 2: against the Tactics. We'll get inside both camps and mo the.

1825
01:40:36,827 --> 01:40:40,507
Speaker 1: Voice of Sport on your Home of Sport Weekend Sport

1826
01:40:40,627 --> 01:40:44,227
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1827
01:40:44,267 --> 01:40:46,587
Speaker 1: trusted home builder News talksv.

1828
01:40:46,827 --> 01:40:49,707
Speaker 2: Two twenty eight an Zed Premiership Netball Final four o'clock

1829
01:40:49,747 --> 01:40:53,107
Speaker 2: this afternoon, Live commentary over on gold Sport from four o'clock,

1830
01:40:53,187 --> 01:40:56,027
Speaker 2: the two time defending champion Mystics will host.

1831
01:40:55,867 --> 01:41:03,347
Speaker 21: Its favor and why and what a performance from the Mystics.

1832
01:41:03,707 --> 01:41:08,147
Speaker 21: They march into the Franz Final once again and set

1833
01:41:08,187 --> 01:41:12,747
Speaker 21: it drumpting on their home court and they will host

1834
01:41:12,827 --> 01:41:14,667
Speaker 21: the decider in two weeks time, and.

1835
01:41:14,747 --> 01:41:16,987
Speaker 2: That is this afternoon. They're up against the Tactics at

1836
01:41:17,027 --> 01:41:20,267
Speaker 2: Trust's Arena in Auckland. Let's bring in Mystics captain Mikaela

1837
01:41:20,347 --> 01:41:23,827
Speaker 2: sokolch beats and McKayla. What a season nine wins, just

1838
01:41:23,947 --> 01:41:26,827
Speaker 2: the one defeat clean number one. How did you achieve

1839
01:41:26,907 --> 01:41:29,147
Speaker 2: such remarkable consistency this year?

1840
01:41:29,787 --> 01:41:33,387
Speaker 22: Yeah, great, Christian. I was smiling when you said, like

1841
01:41:33,467 --> 01:41:35,507
Speaker 22: two time champion. It's actually nice to hear that. I

1842
01:41:35,587 --> 01:41:38,667
Speaker 22: forget sometimes that that's the position we'reing. I think the

1843
01:41:38,747 --> 01:41:42,947
Speaker 22: team did it through just using our entire group, like

1844
01:41:43,187 --> 01:41:45,227
Speaker 22: at times we were forced to because of injuries. But

1845
01:41:45,787 --> 01:41:48,867
Speaker 22: I think as well the coaches gave people opportunities because

1846
01:41:48,907 --> 01:41:51,227
Speaker 22: of what they were doing at training. And I think

1847
01:41:51,307 --> 01:41:53,307
Speaker 22: the fact that you can turn to your bench and

1848
01:41:53,467 --> 01:41:55,627
Speaker 22: know that there's someone ready to go on. It just

1849
01:41:56,027 --> 01:41:58,627
Speaker 22: puts a really nice quiet confidence in the group.

1850
01:41:59,267 --> 01:42:01,827
Speaker 2: Of course, after the loss of Grace Wiki, I think

1851
01:42:01,867 --> 01:42:03,387
Speaker 2: a lot of people thought, right, the mystics aren't going

1852
01:42:03,427 --> 01:42:06,187
Speaker 2: to be the same side. They've lost their major threat

1853
01:42:06,387 --> 01:42:09,747
Speaker 2: in the shooting circle. How did you adapt so well

1854
01:42:10,307 --> 01:42:11,387
Speaker 2: to life without Grace?

1855
01:42:11,947 --> 01:42:15,027
Speaker 22: It's a good question, like she was awesome, she is awesome,

1856
01:42:15,107 --> 01:42:17,707
Speaker 22: where we were sad to see her go, but knew

1857
01:42:17,747 --> 01:42:19,547
Speaker 22: that that was mean she needed to do for her stuff.

1858
01:42:19,627 --> 01:42:21,707
Speaker 22: But then we also got a shooter like to now

1859
01:42:22,307 --> 01:42:26,907
Speaker 22: an Australian international, somebody who absolutely didn't dominate.

1860
01:42:26,547 --> 01:42:27,307
Speaker 7: A goal circle.

1861
01:42:27,387 --> 01:42:30,707
Speaker 22: We had Fielder and Hannah and even Peter step up

1862
01:42:30,747 --> 01:42:33,467
Speaker 22: in that goal attack role, and then Sophia come on.

1863
01:42:33,587 --> 01:42:35,667
Speaker 22: I just think we did it in a real collective

1864
01:42:35,747 --> 01:42:39,467
Speaker 22: way and everyone knew what their job was and how

1865
01:42:39,587 --> 01:42:41,707
Speaker 22: we had to adjust our game plan to work with

1866
01:42:41,787 --> 01:42:42,787
Speaker 22: the people we now had.

1867
01:42:43,307 --> 01:42:46,427
Speaker 2: Did you consciously before the season started work on a

1868
01:42:46,547 --> 01:42:48,987
Speaker 2: different way of playing? I guess and you'll be able

1869
01:42:48,987 --> 01:42:50,867
Speaker 2: to confirm this that when Grace Week is in the

1870
01:42:50,907 --> 01:42:53,387
Speaker 2: shooting circle, there's a temptation just to try and find

1871
01:42:53,507 --> 01:42:56,067
Speaker 2: her every time. Did you have to consciously come up

1872
01:42:56,107 --> 01:42:57,787
Speaker 2: with a different kind of game plan.

1873
01:42:58,427 --> 01:43:00,227
Speaker 22: Yeah, you do when you got when you've got a

1874
01:43:00,267 --> 01:43:02,867
Speaker 22: shooter who's like six foot three things foot four and

1875
01:43:02,987 --> 01:43:06,587
Speaker 22: who can jump a massive vertical jump, that was a

1876
01:43:06,787 --> 01:43:10,427
Speaker 22: huge advantage, right, and just Petter could feed her beautifully.

1877
01:43:10,827 --> 01:43:12,747
Speaker 22: So yeah, we definitely had to change up the way

1878
01:43:12,787 --> 01:43:14,987
Speaker 22: we had to play. But I think that has just

1879
01:43:15,147 --> 01:43:18,747
Speaker 22: added to the strength of everybody's like skills set, and

1880
01:43:18,867 --> 01:43:21,987
Speaker 22: I think, yeah, we were very conscious on how we

1881
01:43:22,147 --> 01:43:24,867
Speaker 22: were going to try and develop our skills so we

1882
01:43:24,907 --> 01:43:26,547
Speaker 22: could play a different brand and netball.

1883
01:43:27,227 --> 01:43:29,827
Speaker 2: So just one defeat that was to the tactics. Of course,

1884
01:43:29,867 --> 01:43:32,267
Speaker 2: so you play in the final. I know you never

1885
01:43:32,347 --> 01:43:34,747
Speaker 2: like to lose matches, but in hindsight, was it a

1886
01:43:34,787 --> 01:43:38,187
Speaker 2: good thing to remove any possibility of complacency for the final?

1887
01:43:38,907 --> 01:43:41,787
Speaker 22: Yeah. We we didn't turn up in that game at all.

1888
01:43:41,947 --> 01:43:44,347
Speaker 22: Like I've said in a couple of in whos we were,

1889
01:43:44,947 --> 01:43:47,667
Speaker 22: we weren't good and we were so disappointed with ourselves.

1890
01:43:48,067 --> 01:43:51,587
Speaker 22: It definitely made us look at ourselves quite hard. We

1891
01:43:51,787 --> 01:43:54,987
Speaker 22: reflected a lot throughout that week and that is something

1892
01:43:55,027 --> 01:43:56,107
Speaker 22: that we've been holding on.

1893
01:43:56,187 --> 01:43:56,787
Speaker 5: To a little bit.

1894
01:43:56,827 --> 01:43:58,507
Speaker 22: Okay, what did we do and that how did we

1895
01:43:58,667 --> 01:44:01,507
Speaker 22: go and that why did things break down? So yeah,

1896
01:44:01,547 --> 01:44:04,707
Speaker 22: definitely something that I think the mystics needed to just

1897
01:44:05,147 --> 01:44:05,907
Speaker 22: keep our focus.

1898
01:44:05,987 --> 01:44:09,307
Speaker 2: Really, last year you won it from third, you had

1899
01:44:09,347 --> 01:44:11,787
Speaker 2: to come through away games in the playoffs. You beat

1900
01:44:11,787 --> 01:44:14,387
Speaker 2: the Tactics and the Polse both away. How different a

1901
01:44:14,427 --> 01:44:16,907
Speaker 2: scenario is it this year with just the one playoff

1902
01:44:16,947 --> 01:44:19,187
Speaker 2: game the grand final on your home court.

1903
01:44:19,787 --> 01:44:23,347
Speaker 22: Yeah, it's different. It's a lot different. We did it

1904
01:44:23,467 --> 01:44:26,667
Speaker 22: this way the year before and won, and then last

1905
01:44:26,747 --> 01:44:29,067
Speaker 22: year we had to do all the elimination final and that.

1906
01:44:29,747 --> 01:44:31,987
Speaker 22: It's different when you've got two weeks to sit on

1907
01:44:32,067 --> 01:44:35,067
Speaker 22: the factor in the final, it's different in terms of

1908
01:44:35,227 --> 01:44:38,587
Speaker 22: people talk about it. For two weeks, you get a

1909
01:44:38,667 --> 01:44:42,507
Speaker 22: weekend off playing, so you get a little bit a

1910
01:44:42,667 --> 01:44:43,947
Speaker 22: different sort of routine.

1911
01:44:45,627 --> 01:44:45,827
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1912
01:44:46,107 --> 01:44:49,107
Speaker 22: I think there's pros and cons to each way about it.

1913
01:44:49,667 --> 01:44:52,707
Speaker 2: How did you spend your weekend off and in fact,

1914
01:44:52,747 --> 01:44:54,667
Speaker 2: I guess the last two weeks since you last played

1915
01:44:54,947 --> 01:44:57,307
Speaker 2: to make sure you get that balance right between refreshing

1916
01:44:57,387 --> 01:44:58,587
Speaker 2: but also staying switched on.

1917
01:44:59,267 --> 01:45:01,347
Speaker 22: Yeah, it's hard, one mate, And it's one of those

1918
01:45:01,387 --> 01:45:04,107
Speaker 22: things that's kind of like damned if you do, Damned

1919
01:45:04,107 --> 01:45:06,347
Speaker 22: if you don't. It's going to be positives and negative.

1920
01:45:06,347 --> 01:45:09,107
Speaker 22: It's kind of however you do it. We played a

1921
01:45:09,227 --> 01:45:13,187
Speaker 22: game last Friday and then we did our own conditioning

1922
01:45:13,307 --> 01:45:15,747
Speaker 22: on Saturday. We did try to give the bodies a

1923
01:45:15,867 --> 01:45:18,987
Speaker 22: little bit of reprieve earlier on in the two weeks,

1924
01:45:19,587 --> 01:45:21,787
Speaker 22: just to recover, but then this week we have been

1925
01:45:22,027 --> 01:45:24,107
Speaker 22: honing in and everything has been tough.

1926
01:45:24,747 --> 01:45:26,827
Speaker 2: So you are the two time defending champions.

1927
01:45:26,867 --> 01:45:26,987
Speaker 5: Now.

1928
01:45:27,067 --> 01:45:30,227
Speaker 2: The steel won two straight in twenty seventeen and eighteen.

1929
01:45:30,347 --> 01:45:33,227
Speaker 2: The Pulse to that in twenty nineteen and twenty twenty.

1930
01:45:33,307 --> 01:45:35,947
Speaker 2: No one's ever won at three on the bounce. How

1931
01:45:35,987 --> 01:45:37,827
Speaker 2: determined ay to become the first team to do that?

1932
01:45:38,467 --> 01:45:40,827
Speaker 22: We are determined. It's actually not. I think we've spoken

1933
01:45:40,867 --> 01:45:43,867
Speaker 22: a lot about until yesterday and our team meeting, and yeah,

1934
01:45:43,947 --> 01:45:45,547
Speaker 22: we were like, man, that would be that would be

1935
01:45:45,667 --> 01:45:47,547
Speaker 22: epic and that would be cool. But we also know

1936
01:45:47,667 --> 01:45:50,227
Speaker 22: that the tactics are in a bit of a different

1937
01:45:50,267 --> 01:45:53,267
Speaker 22: position is there haven't won, so they're really gunning for it.

1938
01:45:53,467 --> 01:45:55,547
Speaker 22: You know, it's there for the taking, but then it's

1939
01:45:55,587 --> 01:45:58,627
Speaker 22: our two. So I think both teams have a very

1940
01:45:58,867 --> 01:46:01,467
Speaker 22: similar fight in them, but for different reasons.

1941
01:46:02,107 --> 01:46:03,947
Speaker 2: And as you say, you know, you did it in

1942
01:46:03,987 --> 01:46:06,707
Speaker 2: two different ways the last couple of seasons and different

1943
01:46:06,707 --> 01:46:08,787
Speaker 2: grand finals as well, and nailed by the last year,

1944
01:46:09,067 --> 01:46:11,587
Speaker 2: and they're in a very comfortable victory of the year before.

1945
01:46:11,747 --> 01:46:14,587
Speaker 2: So there's two different ways. It might go on the

1946
01:46:14,627 --> 01:46:17,467
Speaker 2: weekend or somewhere in between. But are there things that

1947
01:46:17,707 --> 01:46:20,307
Speaker 2: are common to all grand finals that you have to

1948
01:46:20,787 --> 01:46:21,947
Speaker 2: do particularly well?

1949
01:46:22,747 --> 01:46:25,747
Speaker 22: Yeah, I think like you've got to turn up. Like

1950
01:46:26,267 --> 01:46:30,347
Speaker 22: final netball is so different to regular games. It sounds

1951
01:46:30,387 --> 01:46:32,027
Speaker 22: really weird because you're playing the same people. You're like,

1952
01:46:32,067 --> 01:46:33,747
Speaker 22: why would it be you want to win every game

1953
01:46:34,267 --> 01:46:37,307
Speaker 22: but final netborll If you watched the Tactics Pulls Damn Man,

1954
01:46:37,427 --> 01:46:39,787
Speaker 22: that was a game of two halves and it was tart.

1955
01:46:39,947 --> 01:46:43,187
Speaker 22: I was watching, thinking, well, this is brutal. The Tactics

1956
01:46:43,227 --> 01:46:46,027
Speaker 22: had three losses in the second half. That's unheard of

1957
01:46:46,107 --> 01:46:48,227
Speaker 22: the netball. That just shows that they stepped up and

1958
01:46:48,267 --> 01:46:49,467
Speaker 22: they were ready for the challenge.

1959
01:46:50,387 --> 01:46:53,347
Speaker 2: And for you, it's you know, a distant memory now,

1960
01:46:53,427 --> 01:46:55,267
Speaker 2: I know, but you had that terrible time of things

1961
01:46:55,347 --> 01:46:58,267
Speaker 2: with your achilles in successive years. I think you had

1962
01:46:58,267 --> 01:47:00,627
Speaker 2: all the bad luck of a whole career sort of

1963
01:47:00,707 --> 01:47:02,707
Speaker 2: rolled into a couple of years. How do you reflect

1964
01:47:02,787 --> 01:47:04,147
Speaker 2: back on that time now?

1965
01:47:04,907 --> 01:47:08,027
Speaker 22: Yeah, honestly, it just makes grateful that people still believed

1966
01:47:08,067 --> 01:47:10,907
Speaker 22: I could do my job. There was definitely times I

1967
01:47:11,027 --> 01:47:12,987
Speaker 22: thought that no one was going to want me again

1968
01:47:13,067 --> 01:47:16,027
Speaker 22: because I'd look at me as the same injury prone girl.

1969
01:47:16,587 --> 01:47:18,347
Speaker 22: And the fact that I've been able to come back

1970
01:47:18,387 --> 01:47:20,467
Speaker 22: and prove the people that I actually am strong and

1971
01:47:20,867 --> 01:47:23,867
Speaker 22: my body is fighting that. But then also have people

1972
01:47:23,907 --> 01:47:27,147
Speaker 22: that have believed in me as Yeah, definitely maybe just

1973
01:47:27,227 --> 01:47:28,107
Speaker 22: grateful to be here.

1974
01:47:28,587 --> 01:47:30,507
Speaker 2: Do you let yourself think about lifting up that trophy

1975
01:47:30,547 --> 01:47:32,427
Speaker 2: again on Sunday early evening?

1976
01:47:33,627 --> 01:47:36,427
Speaker 22: No, honestly, no, I don't want to think about it

1977
01:47:36,547 --> 01:47:38,307
Speaker 22: just yet. I I just want to think about what

1978
01:47:38,347 --> 01:47:41,147
Speaker 22: I need to do in the game, and yeah, I

1979
01:47:41,187 --> 01:47:43,147
Speaker 22: don't want to get too caught up in the outcome

1980
01:47:43,347 --> 01:47:43,707
Speaker 22: just yet.

1981
01:47:43,867 --> 01:47:46,347
Speaker 2: Fair enough, fair enough too. Thanks Mikayla, all the best.

1982
01:47:46,427 --> 01:47:50,147
Speaker 2: Mikayla Sokol Speaks and captain of the Mystics. Let's get

1983
01:47:50,187 --> 01:47:52,827
Speaker 2: you inside the other camp, the Tactics and their place

1984
01:47:52,867 --> 01:47:55,267
Speaker 2: in the final. With victory over the Pols last weekend,

1985
01:47:57,067 --> 01:47:57,307
Speaker 2: they have.

1986
01:47:57,387 --> 01:48:02,387
Speaker 17: Been undefeated here in twenty twenty five and it will

1987
01:48:02,467 --> 01:48:03,187
Speaker 17: stay that way.

1988
01:48:06,667 --> 01:48:08,027
Speaker 23: The tactics.

1989
01:48:09,107 --> 01:48:13,187
Speaker 19: Going back to the ain said Tendi a ship grand final,

1990
01:48:15,947 --> 01:48:17,947
Speaker 19: an incredible comeback.

1991
01:48:19,907 --> 01:48:23,547
Speaker 2: Half there home thanks tactic shooter, Ali birds with us.

1992
01:48:23,947 --> 01:48:25,827
Speaker 2: Let's start there. How do you evaluate the win over

1993
01:48:25,907 --> 01:48:28,867
Speaker 2: the Pulse in the elimination final last weekend, Alie.

1994
01:48:29,227 --> 01:48:33,027
Speaker 11: Well, it just felt very good, you know, really exciting,

1995
01:48:33,547 --> 01:48:35,747
Speaker 11: really happy with the performance that we put out. Kind

1996
01:48:35,787 --> 01:48:38,187
Speaker 11: of a game of two halves, but it just showed

1997
01:48:38,267 --> 01:48:41,027
Speaker 11: what we can do. So no, very very happy about that.

1998
01:48:41,187 --> 01:48:44,107
Speaker 2: Yeah, it certainly seemed to change after halftime. Third and

1999
01:48:44,187 --> 01:48:47,187
Speaker 2: fourth quarter was certainly in your favor. Were there any

2000
01:48:47,187 --> 01:48:50,747
Speaker 2: specific conversations at halftime that turned the tide in the

2001
01:48:50,827 --> 01:48:51,347
Speaker 2: second half?

2002
01:48:52,107 --> 01:48:53,827
Speaker 11: Oh, it was just a bit of like this could

2003
01:48:53,827 --> 01:48:56,707
Speaker 11: be our last game, so what you know, how are

2004
01:48:56,707 --> 01:48:58,147
Speaker 11: we going to go out and play our last half

2005
01:48:58,187 --> 01:49:01,147
Speaker 11: of nitble? We can go out and play half a

2006
01:49:01,227 --> 01:49:05,027
Speaker 11: game of nitble that leads to another game, So that's

2007
01:49:05,067 --> 01:49:05,427
Speaker 11: what we did.

2008
01:49:05,627 --> 01:49:07,987
Speaker 2: You did indeed, also meant, of course, you went through

2009
01:49:08,067 --> 01:49:12,027
Speaker 2: the entire home season unbeaten. So how proud of you

2010
01:49:12,507 --> 01:49:15,067
Speaker 2: or how proud are you of that? As a team?

2011
01:49:15,747 --> 01:49:16,827
Speaker 16: Well, you know, that's awesome.

2012
01:49:16,947 --> 01:49:20,587
Speaker 11: I mean, our crowds are great. I mean personally, that's

2013
01:49:20,747 --> 01:49:25,187
Speaker 11: my absolute favorite place to play. It's played a massive

2014
01:49:25,307 --> 01:49:29,227
Speaker 11: role in my career. I suppose you could say, and yeah,

2015
01:49:29,347 --> 01:49:33,227
Speaker 11: awesome crowd, and just you're very proud of the girls

2016
01:49:33,267 --> 01:49:34,987
Speaker 11: that we can go out there, and you know, do

2017
01:49:35,147 --> 01:49:35,907
Speaker 11: Kennbury proud?

2018
01:49:36,427 --> 01:49:38,987
Speaker 2: Well, we're into the final now, of course, this is

2019
01:49:39,107 --> 01:49:41,707
Speaker 2: undoubtedly a difficult question to answer, but what is the

2020
01:49:41,827 --> 01:49:45,387
Speaker 2: key to beating the double defending champion mystics?

2021
01:49:47,467 --> 01:49:50,587
Speaker 11: If we just stick to our processes, then we can

2022
01:49:50,627 --> 01:49:54,227
Speaker 11: definitely do it. It's definitely a mindset thing. As long

2023
01:49:54,307 --> 01:49:57,747
Speaker 11: as we just kind of believe in ourselves, I think,

2024
01:49:59,547 --> 01:50:02,987
Speaker 11: and back each other up, you know, do everything that

2025
01:50:03,067 --> 01:50:06,107
Speaker 11: we can actually empty the tank, then we can beat them.

2026
01:50:06,627 --> 01:50:09,507
Speaker 2: Well, you already have once this season, albeit at home.

2027
01:50:09,587 --> 01:50:12,787
Speaker 2: You beat them back in round four. Now, in that game, Ellie,

2028
01:50:12,867 --> 01:50:17,627
Speaker 2: you shot fifty from fifty. Is that your highest score

2029
01:50:17,707 --> 01:50:20,747
Speaker 2: with one hundred percent shooting? Yeah?

2030
01:50:20,747 --> 01:50:21,107
Speaker 6: I think so.

2031
01:50:22,787 --> 01:50:24,867
Speaker 2: I mean, what went so well for you in that game?

2032
01:50:26,307 --> 01:50:26,467
Speaker 17: Well?

2033
01:50:26,507 --> 01:50:28,387
Speaker 11: I did actually miss a few, but they were just

2034
01:50:28,987 --> 01:50:32,707
Speaker 11: called obstructions or contacts, you know, So I actually didn't

2035
01:50:32,787 --> 01:50:36,587
Speaker 11: know because I still remember that I missed some even

2036
01:50:36,667 --> 01:50:41,107
Speaker 11: though they weren't counted. I didn't even know until after

2037
01:50:41,147 --> 01:50:44,147
Speaker 11: the game that I had got one hundred percent. So

2038
01:50:44,947 --> 01:50:48,267
Speaker 11: I don't know, it just happens. I don't know what

2039
01:50:48,387 --> 01:50:53,547
Speaker 11: to put it down to, just focusing on the current moment. Probably, yeah, well, I.

2040
01:50:53,587 --> 01:50:55,547
Speaker 2: Hope you can do a similar thing in the final.

2041
01:50:55,667 --> 01:50:57,947
Speaker 2: It did lead to a win, of course. Is there

2042
01:50:58,027 --> 01:51:00,347
Speaker 2: anything from that game that went over the mystics that

2043
01:51:00,507 --> 01:51:02,747
Speaker 2: will be useful in trying to beat them again in

2044
01:51:02,787 --> 01:51:03,147
Speaker 2: the final.

2045
01:51:06,827 --> 01:51:09,227
Speaker 11: We kind of went into that game whether we've got

2046
01:51:09,267 --> 01:51:11,347
Speaker 11: nothing to lose attitude, which is the same thing that

2047
01:51:11,467 --> 01:51:16,147
Speaker 11: we've got here now, well in the position that we're

2048
01:51:16,187 --> 01:51:20,987
Speaker 11: currently in. So yeah, taking that I suppose.

2049
01:51:21,267 --> 01:51:24,787
Speaker 2: Yeah, just looking at the stats and a CC you've

2050
01:51:24,827 --> 01:51:28,187
Speaker 2: taken just the one two point shot this season. Was

2051
01:51:28,227 --> 01:51:30,307
Speaker 2: it just sort of a hey, l Mary late in

2052
01:51:30,387 --> 01:51:31,107
Speaker 2: the game or something.

2053
01:51:31,787 --> 01:51:31,907
Speaker 7: Oh?

2054
01:51:32,027 --> 01:51:33,787
Speaker 11: No, No, I was against the Magic and we were

2055
01:51:33,947 --> 01:51:36,347
Speaker 11: by about ten. I was Magic. I can't remember that.

2056
01:51:36,467 --> 01:51:37,747
Speaker 11: I had said to Donna. I was like, I just

2057
01:51:37,947 --> 01:51:40,467
Speaker 11: want to put one up and she's like, well, don't

2058
01:51:40,507 --> 01:51:41,667
Speaker 11: do it at a stupid time, and.

2059
01:51:41,707 --> 01:51:43,067
Speaker 13: I was like, okay, I won't.

2060
01:51:43,907 --> 01:51:45,947
Speaker 11: There was forty seconds to go and there's no chance

2061
01:51:46,027 --> 01:51:47,747
Speaker 11: of them catching us. We're getting a bonus point in

2062
01:51:47,787 --> 01:51:49,267
Speaker 11: that forty seconds, so I just had to go.

2063
01:51:49,387 --> 01:51:51,947
Speaker 2: Yeah, well fair enough to it didn't go in unfortunately,

2064
01:51:52,107 --> 01:51:57,067
Speaker 2: so so no success from it. But in wider terms,

2065
01:51:57,147 --> 01:52:01,507
Speaker 2: what is the tactics team strategy with this new innovation

2066
01:52:01,627 --> 01:52:02,507
Speaker 2: of the two point shot?

2067
01:52:04,907 --> 01:52:08,787
Speaker 11: I don't know if I can give that away. No, Well,

2068
01:52:08,827 --> 01:52:11,107
Speaker 11: obviously it comes down to whether you're as a shooter.

2069
01:52:11,187 --> 01:52:16,107
Speaker 11: You're confident because you know you can put pressure on

2070
01:52:16,627 --> 01:52:20,067
Speaker 11: yourselves to shoot twos and if you're off, you're off

2071
01:52:20,587 --> 01:52:26,227
Speaker 11: kind of thing. But if we want to score ones

2072
01:52:26,347 --> 01:52:29,387
Speaker 11: off of all of our center passes, so if we're

2073
01:52:29,427 --> 01:52:32,627
Speaker 11: taking twos, it will be offer once we've gained all

2074
01:52:32,707 --> 01:52:33,507
Speaker 11: off their center.

2075
01:52:33,307 --> 01:52:36,867
Speaker 2: Pass gotcha, gotcha. And obviously you're doing all your work

2076
01:52:36,907 --> 01:52:38,707
Speaker 2: down at the attacking end. But can ask you about

2077
01:52:38,707 --> 01:52:40,707
Speaker 2: a couple of your teammates at the other end of

2078
01:52:40,747 --> 01:52:44,187
Speaker 2: the defensive circle, Jane Watson and Karen Berger who's played

2079
01:52:44,187 --> 01:52:46,147
Speaker 2: a bit of wing defense but also goal defense for you,

2080
01:52:46,827 --> 01:52:49,987
Speaker 2: How key have they been to your success this season?

2081
01:52:51,907 --> 01:52:52,107
Speaker 7: Yeah?

2082
01:52:52,267 --> 01:52:57,227
Speaker 11: Obviously they're, you know, very experienced players and they obviously

2083
01:52:57,307 --> 01:52:59,667
Speaker 11: know they're yours very well. So yeah, they're just a

2084
01:52:59,747 --> 01:53:03,907
Speaker 11: massive part of the I guess backbone of our team. Yeah,

2085
01:53:04,427 --> 01:53:06,587
Speaker 11: I'd love to playing with him over the past, even

2086
01:53:06,627 --> 01:53:10,667
Speaker 11: many years quite fear now, just yeah, you just know

2087
01:53:10,787 --> 01:53:12,227
Speaker 11: that they're all that's going to do their job.

2088
01:53:12,667 --> 01:53:16,187
Speaker 2: So Tactics beaten finalists in twenty twenty and again in

2089
01:53:16,267 --> 01:53:19,147
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one. How desperate are you to win one

2090
01:53:19,227 --> 01:53:19,747
Speaker 2: of these things?

2091
01:53:20,747 --> 01:53:20,907
Speaker 18: Oh?

2092
01:53:21,147 --> 01:53:21,827
Speaker 5: I would love to.

2093
01:53:22,347 --> 01:53:24,427
Speaker 11: BER's for me, I think, well, our whole team obviously

2094
01:53:24,467 --> 01:53:27,667
Speaker 11: we would love to. You know, this is my eighth

2095
01:53:27,747 --> 01:53:31,147
Speaker 11: season with the Tactics and we've raised massive strides over

2096
01:53:31,227 --> 01:53:34,307
Speaker 11: that time. It would be good to just get that,

2097
01:53:34,467 --> 01:53:36,907
Speaker 11: you know, final gold medals.

2098
01:53:38,227 --> 01:53:40,307
Speaker 2: And we all thought, I think that you'd retired, but

2099
01:53:40,387 --> 01:53:42,307
Speaker 2: of course you came back last year to cover for

2100
01:53:42,387 --> 01:53:44,947
Speaker 2: injury and ended up staying for the whole season. You've

2101
01:53:45,027 --> 01:53:47,187
Speaker 2: played this entire season, So what are we just sort

2102
01:53:47,187 --> 01:53:48,187
Speaker 2: of carrying on now?

2103
01:53:50,947 --> 01:53:50,987
Speaker 5: No?

2104
01:53:53,147 --> 01:53:54,307
Speaker 2: So is this definitely it?

2105
01:53:54,907 --> 01:53:55,467
Speaker 5: Yeah? This is it?

2106
01:53:55,787 --> 01:53:59,227
Speaker 11: Well I ne I say never say never, but for now,

2107
01:53:59,307 --> 01:53:59,587
Speaker 11: this is it?

2108
01:53:59,827 --> 01:54:02,867
Speaker 2: All right. Well, let's see what happens after the Grand Final. Hopefully,

2109
01:54:02,947 --> 01:54:04,227
Speaker 2: if it is the end, you can go out on

2110
01:54:04,267 --> 01:54:08,227
Speaker 2: a high alley. All the best you and to the

2111
01:54:08,307 --> 01:54:10,867
Speaker 2: Tactics for the final against the Mystics. Thanks for the chat,

2112
01:54:11,627 --> 01:54:13,587
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. No, thank you, Ellie, Ali Bird

2113
01:54:13,627 --> 01:54:16,627
Speaker 2: there out of the tactics, Tactics Mystics. Four o'clock this afternoon,

2114
01:54:16,707 --> 01:54:19,267
Speaker 2: live commentary over on Gold Sport, as we find our

2115
01:54:19,347 --> 01:54:22,787
Speaker 2: a NZ Premiership champion for twenty twenty five, nineteen to three.

2116
01:54:22,827 --> 01:54:24,907
Speaker 2: When we come back, we're state Side, Leon Busby with

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Speaker 2: the latest in American sport, the big issues on and

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Speaker 2: after fields.

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Speaker 1: Call oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Weekends Sport

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Speaker 1: with Jason Fine and GJ. Gunderholmes, New Zealand's first trusted

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Speaker 1: home Milder News talks at baby.

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Speaker 2: Coming up to forty five. Let's get state side with

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Speaker 2: Leon Busby, our American sports expert. Lot's happening on and

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Speaker 2: off the courts and the fields. Leon, can we start

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Speaker 2: on the Women's NBA and the T shirt saga? What

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Speaker 2: is this all about?

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Speaker 5: The afternoon?

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Speaker 23: Jason, great to be back. So the WNBA. They held

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Speaker 23: their annual All Star Weekend with the usual events including

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Speaker 23: the Stills Challenge and three Point Contest and Your Star

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Speaker 23: Game itself last week and I was the hidden terms

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Speaker 23: of viewership numbers. Even though the face of the League

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Speaker 23: Indiana fevers Kate and Clark was out injured. However, Pineyer,

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Speaker 23: as you alluded to, the biggest headline from the weekend

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Speaker 23: was the All Star Game players wearing shirts saying pay

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Speaker 23: us what you owe us. Well, I don't love the slogan,

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Speaker 23: I do agree with the sentiment. So a bit of

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Speaker 23: background for transpiracy on this issue. So we know that

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Speaker 23: by professional tennis, most female athletes are woefully underpaid compared

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Speaker 23: to their male counterparts. The wire the minimum contracts so different. Well,

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Speaker 23: there are some major differences between the NBA and the

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Speaker 23: WNBA schedules and media rights deals. The NBA plays eighty

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Speaker 23: two regular season games and recently inked the new media

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Speaker 23: rights deal worth seven billion dollars a year. Meanwhile, the

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Speaker 23: w NBA plays forty four regular season games and has

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Speaker 23: a TV deal worth fifty million dollars per year. W

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Speaker 23: NBA players receive a pult we ten percent of total

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Speaker 23: revenue while NBA players receive fifty That's a huge disparity. However,

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Speaker 23: because of the popularity of THEWNBA has increased exponentially in

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Speaker 23: the last few years market the larger TV deal will

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Speaker 23: kick in next season at two hundred two hundred million dollars.

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Speaker 23: So last season alone, the WNBA lost forty million dollars

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Speaker 23: in an almost three decades since it began, has lost

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Speaker 23: over wait for it, three hundred million dollars, which is staggering.

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Speaker 23: So if you look at the payoffs what You Owe

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Speaker 23: Us campaign, the WNBA players have a point that this

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Speaker 23: needs to be put in proper, proper context. From a

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Speaker 23: solely financial perspective, the paid gap for women's basketball one

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Speaker 23: close over night. However, continued investment, visibility and collective bargaining

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Speaker 23: efforts of building the foundation for female athletes to earn

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Speaker 23: more of what they feel they deserve. The end of

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Speaker 23: the day, pinting professional athletes have paid commensurate with what

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Speaker 23: revenue their league makes.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely right now, the mighty dollar now staying with basketball

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Speaker 2: and to the NBA. The sile are the Lakers for

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Speaker 2: sale for listen here?

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Speaker 23: Yes, So, the LA Lakers made headlines recently when their

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Speaker 23: owners of forty six years sold the team in nineteen

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Speaker 23: seventy nine. The franchise was purchased by the Lake Jerry

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Speaker 23: buss Or Hall of Fame inductee for sixty seven point

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Speaker 23: five million dollars, which is a bit of a bargain

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Speaker 23: if you look back on that, and they were sold

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Speaker 23: recently for a record ten billion dollars, smashing the record

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Speaker 23: for sports franchise by almost four billion dollars. Now the

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Speaker 23: new owner, Mark Walter, who also happens to own the

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Speaker 23: World Series champion LA Dodgers. That's deep pockets and he

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Speaker 23: could possibly fuel the Lakers return to glory for who

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Speaker 23: for the most part, had been under women in the

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Speaker 23: last few years. Another news regarding the famed Purple and

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Speaker 23: Gold are persistent rumors of a possible move for one

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Speaker 23: of the greatest ballers in NBA history, one Lebron James.

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Speaker 23: He recently signed a U two year deal exercising his

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Speaker 23: player option, meaning he'll forego his free agent status. There's

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Speaker 23: still a possibility he'll move on, even though most of

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Speaker 23: his business interests are in La now. As recently as Friday,

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Speaker 23: reliable sources reported that James may be traded in a

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Speaker 23: wild five team trade deal, seeing him land back in

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Speaker 23: his hometown of Cleveland, where his NBA career began as

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Speaker 23: an eighteen year old straight out of high school. Even

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Speaker 23: at the edge of forty an entry in his twenty

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Speaker 23: third season, the first ballot Hall of Famer still seems

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Speaker 23: to be a major point of discussion on.

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Speaker 13: And off the court.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, have you got a stat of the day for

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Speaker 2: us from the NBA?

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Speaker 23: No, I have, yep, I'll go now. I should have

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Speaker 23: told you to bring your tinfoil hat.

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Speaker 13: But here we go to say.

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Speaker 23: He's not't believe it or not statistic. I wanted to

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Speaker 23: share with your audience that during the NBA regular season

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Speaker 23: this year, three of the biggest names in the league

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Speaker 23: shed something in common. If I could probably have the

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Speaker 23: X file, steam Hews explained of the background for affect.

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Speaker 23: But anyway, so all star players Damian Lillard of the

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Speaker 23: Milwaukee Bucks, Jason Tatum of the Boston Celtics, and Terres

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Speaker 23: Halliburton of the Indiana Paces suffered the same are chalice

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Speaker 23: tear injuries. And wait for it, they all wore the

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Speaker 23: same jersey number zero. There's that just weird or simply

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Speaker 23: a coincidence. Finding well, I.

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Speaker 2: Wouldn't be wearing zero. I wouldn't be wearing zero of

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Speaker 2: the leagues. I'd be changing my seclear number. Look it is.

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Speaker 2: It is one of those I love. I love stats

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Speaker 2: and little anomalies like that. I love it. Hey, Major

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Speaker 2: League Baseball. Where are we with the Major League Baseball

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Speaker 2: season right now?

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Speaker 23: Yes, So in the A League, we've got the A League,

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Speaker 23: the American League in the air now or the National League.

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Speaker 23: So in the A League we start in the East

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Speaker 23: where we have the Toronto Blue Jays from Canada. They're

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Speaker 23: actually leading all the teams in turn of the terms

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Speaker 23: of their winning percentage. Close behind them are the Detroit

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Speaker 23: Tigers and the Houston Astros. Now in the National League

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Speaker 23: we have the New York Mets, who have been the

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Speaker 23: best win and loss record and the highest winning percentage,

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Speaker 23: and close behind them are the Milwaukee Brewers and LA Dodgers.

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Speaker 23: Out of those sixteens, the Brewers. The Milwaukee Brewers are

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Speaker 23: on an eight to two tear in their last ten starts,

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Speaker 23: with a slightly low winning percentage in the Blue Jays,

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Speaker 23: and most people actually favoring the Detroit Tigers to come

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Speaker 23: out of the wild and actually make a push for

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Speaker 23: the World Series. But the Bear starts as you'd expect,

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Speaker 23: what the reigning champion LA Dodgers because their team is

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Speaker 23: absolutely stacked, so everyone's expecting them to win it in

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Speaker 23: the end.

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Speaker 2: Aaron Judge, the Yankees home run king, you got some

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Speaker 2: info on him.

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Speaker 23: Yes, that he recently crushed his three hundred and fiftieth

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Speaker 23: career home run, the fastest and Major League Baseball history

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Speaker 23: to do so. So the outfielder, he's truly a physical space.

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Speaker 23: So I'm not sure you've seen him before, Pony, but

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Speaker 23: people want to see him in action. There's plenty of

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Speaker 23: highlights online to see the future Hall of Famer doing

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Speaker 23: what he does best. So I didn't put up a

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Speaker 23: background on him at high school. He started for his

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Speaker 23: high school basketball, football, and baseball teams and still was

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Speaker 23: destined for sporting greatness from a young age. Jug is

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Speaker 23: considered to be one of the best home run is

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Speaker 23: and right handed batters of all times. So he stands

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Speaker 23: at six foot seven, one hundred and twenty eight Telegram,

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Speaker 23: you could easily be mistaken for a tighty end or

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Speaker 23: middle linebacker for an NFL team. So the thirty three

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Speaker 23: year olds won multiple awards many times over and will

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Speaker 23: certainly be a first ballot with dipping into Cooperstown once

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Speaker 23: he hangs up his pinstripes, just like superstars Face of

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Speaker 23: the League Shohe or tiny Aaron Judges again odds on

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Speaker 23: favorite to win his third MVP in four seasons this year, however,

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Speaker 23: Poneer breaking his just this morning, who was reported that

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Speaker 23: Aaron Judges ruled out of today's lineup and is awaiting

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Speaker 23: results on image being performed on his right elbow. I

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Speaker 23: think it's fair to say the Yankees fans are nervously

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Speaker 23: waiting on the outcome of this injury, as Judge is

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Speaker 23: their main hope of making another deep running Octaber. So

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Speaker 23: we'll keep eyes on that developing story.

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Speaker 2: We certainly will, and just to finish some NFL news

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Speaker 2: out of season at the moment, obviously, but the Steelers

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Speaker 2: and their latest contract signing hip.

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Speaker 23: So in the NFL, every team is run underway with

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Speaker 23: mandatory training camps, but most interest is happening off the field,

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Speaker 23: much like the NBA. Pro Football has he lines galore

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Speaker 23: in the off season, and most of them this year

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Speaker 23: have been around the story Pittsburgh Students franchise. After finally

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Speaker 23: confirming Aaron Rodgers as their starting quarterback, which dragged on

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Speaker 23: or ad nauseum, the attention shifted to their future Hall

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Speaker 23: of Famer defenseman TJ. Watt So the All Pro linebacker

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Speaker 23: has been holding out for a new contract extension as

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Speaker 23: one of the leagues, a lead pass rushers since turning pro,

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Speaker 23: the threte year old who's entering his ninth season, and

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Speaker 23: the team front office.

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Speaker 6: Finally agreed to terms with a new deal, a three year.

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Speaker 23: One hundred and twenty three million dollar extension which comes

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Speaker 23: with yo. I can't believe in the mount sore. He's

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Speaker 23: guaranteed one hundred and eight million dollars fully guaranteed as signing,

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Speaker 23: making what the NFL's highest paid non quarterback. So the

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Speaker 23: forty one million dollars average per year puts them at

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Speaker 23: the top of the pile. Will now at least there

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Speaker 23: are a couple of other big name linebackers still holding

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Speaker 23: out and also looking the cash, and now that what

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Speaker 23: has reset the amount for the league? So what's the space?

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Speaker 23: Not batter if you can get to a pony. But

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Speaker 23: as I always allude to, its news is that the

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Speaker 23: NFL regular season kicks off and only forty days time.

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Speaker 2: Bring it on, I know you're marking the days on

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Speaker 2: your wall, Leon, great deject you as always mately on

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Speaker 2: buzzby our American sports expert taking a state site seven

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Speaker 2: to three, coming up four to three. That's us on

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Speaker 2: weekend sport. Huge Thanks to Anna McDonald for producing. Thanks

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Speaker 2: mate and enjoy a couple of days off. Thank you

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Speaker 2: for listening in. It's greatly appreciated. As always, some beverage

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Speaker 2: after three, the Lions sewing up the series last night

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Speaker 2: against the Wallabies and controversial fashion. They would have slept

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Speaker 2: well last night, said him a night on Sports Talk.

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