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Speaker 1: Heather dupless Ellen.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to get involved. Nine two nine two is the

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Speaker 2: text number. Standard text fees apply now. Police in New

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Speaker 2: Zealand are trying to stop a suicide prevention charity from

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Speaker 2: getting a temporary liquor license for a fundraiser this weekend.

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Speaker 2: Both the police and a licensing inspector have opposed the

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Speaker 2: organizer's application for a license, so there's going to be

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Speaker 2: a special hearing on Friday, which is less than twenty

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Speaker 2: four hours before the event, to see if alcohol can

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Speaker 2: be served. The coppers say the problem they've got with

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Speaker 2: this particular fundraiser serving alcohol is that there is a

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Speaker 2: link between alcohol and suicide, so it's inappropriate for alcohol

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Speaker 2: to be provided at a suicide prevention event. Mike King

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Speaker 2: is not involved in this event, but he is a

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Speaker 2: mental health advocate, so he's got views on this and

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Speaker 2: he's with us.

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Speaker 1: Now, Hey, Mike, Hey, Heather, Hell are you well mate?

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Speaker 1: A man?

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Speaker 3: The Moral Police got a band putting at Heart Foundation

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Speaker 3: gigs now.

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Speaker 2: Probably probably if there are people who care enough about it.

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Speaker 2: So like me, I'm assuming that, like me, you think

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Speaker 2: this is ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: From the cops, it is ridiculous. So look, let's get

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Speaker 1: it straight right from the get go. This isn't about

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Speaker 1: the Suicide Prevention Trust.

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Speaker 3: This is a bunch of young polytech students who have

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Speaker 3: a fashion show where they want to raise awareness and

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Speaker 3: funds for a local suicide Prevention trust.

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Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with the trust.

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Speaker 3: This is just an avenue for young people who care

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Speaker 3: about the wellbeing of other people, an opportunity for them

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Speaker 3: to raise funds. And this is the you know, this

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Speaker 3: is the moral police coming in and going Alcohol and

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Speaker 3: suicide they are intrinsically linked and they shouldn't be together.

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Speaker 1: Well, using that same logic, then.

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Speaker 3: Do the AA no longer have alcohol at their functions

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Speaker 3: because we know that alcohol is intrinsically linked to car crashes.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's where does this stop?

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Speaker 3: This is this is classic over each and these What

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Speaker 3: is it saying young people in this country who are

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Speaker 3: trying to make a difference by raising funds for this

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Speaker 3: locals Suicide Prevention Trust.

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Speaker 1: What is it saying to them? What is a message

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Speaker 1: we're giving to this.

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Speaker 2: Mike, And let's be honest about it. The cops have

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Speaker 2: probably if they oppose this, that they will make sure

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Speaker 2: that these young people raise less money because if we're

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Speaker 2: honest about it. Alcohol actually raises money for things like

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Speaker 2: this at fundraises, doesn't it.

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Speaker 1: One hundred percent? And if you dig down, I think

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Speaker 1: you'll find.

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Speaker 3: That the majority of the police who are making this

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Speaker 3: decision think it's stupid as well. But we're living in

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Speaker 3: so much fear of backlash that you go, oh, well.

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Speaker 1: It's just easier not to you know, just easier to

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Speaker 1: say no.

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Speaker 3: I say, look back in your box. Team, you know

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Speaker 3: you're doing great work on the streets. Go fight some

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Speaker 3: real crime and let these guys get on.

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Speaker 2: But do you, I mean, do you have a view

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Speaker 2: on the perception that I've got watching what's going on

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Speaker 2: with the anti alcohol people and the police.

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Speaker 3: And it's not all the cops.

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Speaker 1: It's just like a little group.

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Speaker 2: Who are opposed to it is that they've got really

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Speaker 2: self right to some weird haven't they?

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Speaker 3: Well everything, Yeah, and that's that's the problem with society today.

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Speaker 1: We've become very tribal.

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Speaker 3: There is no connection between different groups where right, you're wrong,

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Speaker 3: and we will counterpoint anything any argument you come up with.

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Speaker 3: At the heart of this, there's a bunch of young

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Speaker 3: people trying to do the right thing by mental health

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Speaker 3: to help a local charity, and that's where the decision

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Speaker 3: should be made, not on this this thing that there's

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Speaker 3: an intrinsic link between alcohol and suicide, because you know

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Speaker 3: what suicide is not. I'm sorry, Alcohol is not a

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Speaker 3: problem for people with mental health issues. It's actually the

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Speaker 3: solution to our problem. And until you come up with

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Speaker 3: a better solution.

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Speaker 2: Then by that, how is it a solution?

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Speaker 3: Well, it stops those those thoughts I would suggest to you.

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Speaker 1: I would suggest to you that alcohol.

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Speaker 3: Has prevented more young people from taking their own lives

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Speaker 3: that actually takes their own lives. And when I was

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Speaker 3: I'm a drug addict and alcoholic in my whole life.

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Speaker 3: I used drugs and alcohol to stop that little voice

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Speaker 3: inside my head that told me that I wasn't good enough,

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Speaker 3: that I was useless. It's release, hopeless, it's a release.

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Speaker 3: It's like a video game. It's exactly the same thing.

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Speaker 1: You know. I would always be out and about with.

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Speaker 3: Groups of people because the thing I feared most was

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Speaker 3: being in a room by myself. So the drugs and

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Speaker 3: the alcohol help that until I got counseling and I

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Speaker 3: found a way of dealing with my bigger issues. So

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Speaker 3: alcohol has never been the issue. It shouldn't be in

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Speaker 3: the Mental Health Act at all. We should come up

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Speaker 3: with alternatives. It's like methadone. It keeps us going until

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Speaker 3: some help comes along.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, it's our life jacket, a.

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Speaker 2: Really interesting perspective. Hey, thank you, Mike, appreciate It's Mike King,

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Speaker 2: mental health advocate. By the way, Friday, I think is

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