1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,427 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,747 Speaker 1: from News Talks EDB. 3 00:00:12,707 --> 00:00:15,827 Speaker 2: Dave Rennie answer, you know the new All Blacks head coach. 4 00:00:15,947 --> 00:00:20,467 Speaker 2: The next question is who will his assistance be. Rumors 5 00:00:20,547 --> 00:00:23,467 Speaker 2: plainly have started to help us to get to the 6 00:00:23,507 --> 00:00:26,387 Speaker 2: bottom of those rumors. And a man who's got an 7 00:00:26,427 --> 00:00:31,707 Speaker 2: ear on the nature of New Zealand rugby, specifically All 8 00:00:31,747 --> 00:00:35,907 Speaker 2: Black rugby, as Gregor Paul from the New Zealand Herald's 9 00:00:36,147 --> 00:00:39,347 Speaker 2: chief rugby writer. He's got the inside word and we're 10 00:00:39,347 --> 00:00:41,387 Speaker 2: going to go to him now and find out what's 11 00:00:41,387 --> 00:00:45,707 Speaker 2: happening with the assistant coaches. Good afternoon, Gregor, I trust. 12 00:00:45,427 --> 00:00:48,227 Speaker 3: You well, I'm very well thanks. 13 00:00:48,987 --> 00:00:51,467 Speaker 2: That's what I like to hear. A big day today 14 00:00:51,627 --> 00:00:55,347 Speaker 2: with's a wonderful crosstown rivalry and I think that some 15 00:00:55,507 --> 00:00:59,747 Speaker 2: petrol's been poured on this fiery rivalry by Atana Umag. 16 00:01:00,347 --> 00:01:03,427 Speaker 2: This is my one pacifica up against the Blues. But 17 00:01:03,787 --> 00:01:07,347 Speaker 2: that's the one side we're focusing now out on. We're 18 00:01:07,387 --> 00:01:09,787 Speaker 2: too now for Dave Rennie. We know how the All 19 00:01:09,827 --> 00:01:13,067 Speaker 2: Blak coaches. What is he doing with his assistants? Because 20 00:01:13,307 --> 00:01:15,347 Speaker 2: I believe this decision is eminent. 21 00:01:17,027 --> 00:01:21,747 Speaker 4: I think we'll get maybe confirmation at the end of 22 00:01:21,787 --> 00:01:25,507 Speaker 4: the week coming that's the plan. It might push on 23 00:01:25,587 --> 00:01:30,667 Speaker 4: to the next week, depending how intricate difficult contracts are 24 00:01:30,827 --> 00:01:33,627 Speaker 4: to actually put signatures on. But you know, I think 25 00:01:33,667 --> 00:01:37,107 Speaker 4: he's chosen as people. I think he knows who he wants. 26 00:01:37,707 --> 00:01:42,067 Speaker 4: There's clearly, because it's been written about by myself, an 27 00:01:42,107 --> 00:01:46,587 Speaker 4: issue with one of his choices that New Zealand Rugby 28 00:01:46,667 --> 00:01:50,827 Speaker 4: is not so much pushing back against but encouraging him 29 00:01:51,427 --> 00:01:58,987 Speaker 4: to consider retaining incumbent assistant coach Scott Hansen. So this 30 00:01:59,107 --> 00:02:01,067 Speaker 4: is a question here of Dave Rennie as keen on 31 00:02:01,907 --> 00:02:06,627 Speaker 4: my fellow Scotsman, fellow Edinburgh academy boy Mike Blair bring 32 00:02:06,707 --> 00:02:09,547 Speaker 4: him in as the attack coach. But it's not that 33 00:02:09,587 --> 00:02:12,747 Speaker 4: New Zealand are going on xenophobeck on this choice. I 34 00:02:12,747 --> 00:02:15,947 Speaker 4: think they're just pushing back against that and saying Scott 35 00:02:15,947 --> 00:02:21,507 Speaker 4: Henson's here. He's rated very well with the players, he's 36 00:02:21,547 --> 00:02:24,667 Speaker 4: got rapport with the players. Many of the players think 37 00:02:24,707 --> 00:02:28,627 Speaker 4: he's a good technical, tactical coach. Could you find a 38 00:02:28,667 --> 00:02:32,707 Speaker 4: way to keep him or just certainly challenge Dave to 39 00:02:32,747 --> 00:02:34,947 Speaker 4: say let's not throw this guy away just yet have 40 00:02:35,067 --> 00:02:38,467 Speaker 4: you truly considered what he might bring to your setup. 41 00:02:38,907 --> 00:02:42,307 Speaker 4: So I don't think it's forcing Dave to keep Scott Hanson. 42 00:02:42,387 --> 00:02:43,307 Speaker 3: I think it's a. 43 00:02:43,267 --> 00:02:46,427 Speaker 4: Process here of saying, look, let's do a due diligence. 44 00:02:46,787 --> 00:02:48,987 Speaker 4: Let's make sure that you two have talked to each other, 45 00:02:49,067 --> 00:02:50,627 Speaker 4: that you've had a chance to see if you could 46 00:02:50,627 --> 00:02:52,827 Speaker 4: work together. And if at the end of that you're 47 00:02:52,867 --> 00:02:54,987 Speaker 4: still pretty sure that you don't want to keep Scott 48 00:02:55,027 --> 00:02:58,627 Speaker 4: and you want to work with Mike, then fair enough. 49 00:02:58,987 --> 00:03:01,707 Speaker 2: How important is it for the O Blacks that Dave 50 00:03:01,827 --> 00:03:05,107 Speaker 2: Rennie essentially gets his way with the assistant coaches. 51 00:03:06,507 --> 00:03:08,387 Speaker 3: Well, it's not about getting his way. 52 00:03:08,587 --> 00:03:10,947 Speaker 4: It's about getting a team that he's comfortable with, that 53 00:03:10,987 --> 00:03:14,907 Speaker 4: he's happy with, that he's sure can help him deliver 54 00:03:15,707 --> 00:03:18,907 Speaker 4: their success that he's hoping to have with the old Lecks. 55 00:03:18,947 --> 00:03:22,827 Speaker 4: It's about making sure that everyone is on the same 56 00:03:22,907 --> 00:03:25,467 Speaker 4: page and that they've got the right people, the best people, 57 00:03:25,827 --> 00:03:28,107 Speaker 4: and that everyone's convinced they've got the best people. 58 00:03:28,467 --> 00:03:30,987 Speaker 3: So yeah, look, it's hugely important if you look. 59 00:03:30,867 --> 00:03:34,427 Speaker 4: At what happened, you know with the Enfostered back in 60 00:03:34,467 --> 00:03:38,507 Speaker 4: two nineteen. They had a process to appoint him whereby 61 00:03:39,147 --> 00:03:43,347 Speaker 4: he had and his rival candidate, Scott Robertson had to 62 00:03:43,387 --> 00:03:45,907 Speaker 4: do the same thing. They both had to present to 63 00:03:46,027 --> 00:03:48,787 Speaker 4: the board as part of their head coach application. They 64 00:03:48,827 --> 00:03:51,467 Speaker 4: had to say and look, I will come with these 65 00:03:51,587 --> 00:03:52,467 Speaker 4: coaches here. 66 00:03:52,987 --> 00:03:53,147 Speaker 3: Now. 67 00:03:53,147 --> 00:03:55,787 Speaker 4: That became a problem because it became a bit playground 68 00:03:55,907 --> 00:03:59,187 Speaker 4: esque where both you know, both parties had to sort 69 00:03:59,187 --> 00:04:01,507 Speaker 4: of scrap around and you're my team and if you're 70 00:04:01,627 --> 00:04:03,467 Speaker 4: my team, you can't be in his team type thing. 71 00:04:04,147 --> 00:04:07,147 Speaker 4: And Foster was also hampered in the end because he 72 00:04:07,187 --> 00:04:09,947 Speaker 4: had Jamie Joseph and Tony Brown lined up to be 73 00:04:10,027 --> 00:04:12,907 Speaker 4: in his team, but the process took so long to 74 00:04:12,947 --> 00:04:16,587 Speaker 4: go through that by the time he came to be interviewed, 75 00:04:16,987 --> 00:04:19,547 Speaker 4: Joseph and Tony Brown had both pulled out because they'd 76 00:04:19,547 --> 00:04:21,547 Speaker 4: been offered a heap more money to stay in Japan. 77 00:04:22,067 --> 00:04:25,107 Speaker 4: So Foster was scrambling around for two assistants late in 78 00:04:25,187 --> 00:04:27,627 Speaker 4: the peace, which he did. He found John Plumtree and 79 00:04:27,667 --> 00:04:31,707 Speaker 4: Brad Moore, and we know what happened there. They turned 80 00:04:31,747 --> 00:04:35,227 Speaker 4: out to not quite be up to standard and they 81 00:04:35,267 --> 00:04:37,387 Speaker 4: had to be let go midway through the tenure. 82 00:04:37,827 --> 00:04:39,187 Speaker 3: That was a high drama moment. 83 00:04:39,267 --> 00:04:43,027 Speaker 4: It was disruptive and looked with razor when he got 84 00:04:43,067 --> 00:04:44,587 Speaker 4: the job in twenty three. I don't think there was 85 00:04:44,627 --> 00:04:49,627 Speaker 4: any scrutiny on his choice of assistants, and five test 86 00:04:49,667 --> 00:04:53,107 Speaker 4: matches into his reign, Leo McDonald, one of his assistants, 87 00:04:53,147 --> 00:04:57,267 Speaker 4: walked out and Jason Holland, who was also part of 88 00:04:57,267 --> 00:05:00,347 Speaker 4: the team, didn't seek an extension on his contract at 89 00:05:00,347 --> 00:05:02,907 Speaker 4: the end of last year, again a signal that not 90 00:05:03,027 --> 00:05:03,587 Speaker 4: all was. 91 00:05:03,627 --> 00:05:05,107 Speaker 3: Quite right with that setup. 92 00:05:05,307 --> 00:05:08,627 Speaker 4: So I think think is hugely important that there's a 93 00:05:08,667 --> 00:05:11,907 Speaker 4: lot of scrutiny, that there's good due diligence. Then New 94 00:05:12,027 --> 00:05:14,427 Speaker 4: Zealand Rugby puts a bit of pressure on Dave to 95 00:05:14,587 --> 00:05:19,867 Speaker 4: challenge his choices, but ultimately Deve has to be comfortable 96 00:05:20,107 --> 00:05:22,667 Speaker 4: with what he gets and New Zealand Rugby have to 97 00:05:22,667 --> 00:05:24,707 Speaker 4: be comfortable with what Dave wants. 98 00:05:25,347 --> 00:05:29,467 Speaker 2: Top brass in very important positions and ends are you'd 99 00:05:29,507 --> 00:05:33,307 Speaker 2: suggest that situation thread bear at best at the moment, 100 00:05:33,347 --> 00:05:36,547 Speaker 2: But you think who's around and making these decisions. They're 101 00:05:36,587 --> 00:05:39,027 Speaker 2: cognizance of what happened over the last three years. They're 102 00:05:39,027 --> 00:05:41,027 Speaker 2: not bearing their head in the sand like an Ostrians. 103 00:05:41,187 --> 00:05:44,187 Speaker 2: They've actually learned something that they can apply to this 104 00:05:44,387 --> 00:05:45,267 Speaker 2: current situation. 105 00:05:45,987 --> 00:05:47,667 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I think so the fact that they're putting 106 00:05:47,667 --> 00:05:52,547 Speaker 4: a bit of heat on him to consider his options 107 00:05:52,587 --> 00:05:54,707 Speaker 4: to not just get the white gloves on and wave 108 00:05:54,787 --> 00:05:59,587 Speaker 4: through what he wants, But nor are they necessarily demanding 109 00:05:59,667 --> 00:06:02,627 Speaker 4: that he'd do something he doesn't want to do. So 110 00:06:02,707 --> 00:06:05,347 Speaker 4: I think it's a good compromise agreement that they've reached 111 00:06:05,387 --> 00:06:07,907 Speaker 4: here that Dave's to do a bit, you know, to 112 00:06:07,987 --> 00:06:12,867 Speaker 4: do a bit more consideration of what New Zealand Rugby 113 00:06:12,907 --> 00:06:17,107 Speaker 4: wants without being forced into doing what they want. So 114 00:06:17,147 --> 00:06:19,467 Speaker 4: it is a kind of look at the end of it, 115 00:06:19,667 --> 00:06:22,707 Speaker 4: if both ends ed are and Dave can walk away 116 00:06:22,787 --> 00:06:25,627 Speaker 4: going you know, we had a really good process there. 117 00:06:25,747 --> 00:06:28,347 Speaker 3: We dug deep into all the all the. 118 00:06:28,387 --> 00:06:31,547 Speaker 4: Characters, all the names that were put forward, and New 119 00:06:31,627 --> 00:06:34,347 Speaker 4: Zealand Rugby puts forward a name. Dave has his own 120 00:06:34,387 --> 00:06:36,627 Speaker 4: people that he puts forward. At the end of it, 121 00:06:36,667 --> 00:06:39,467 Speaker 4: as long as everyone sort of dug into it, felt 122 00:06:39,507 --> 00:06:43,667 Speaker 4: that they've they've looked at everyone fairly, deeply and reasonably, 123 00:06:44,107 --> 00:06:47,347 Speaker 4: and that Dave's choices were made you know, with a 124 00:06:47,507 --> 00:06:49,827 Speaker 4: with a with a deep process of knowledge, and New 125 00:06:49,907 --> 00:06:54,267 Speaker 4: Zealand Rugby's acceptance that that's that's what happened. Then it 126 00:06:54,387 --> 00:06:56,787 Speaker 4: makes a huge difference because I don't think that's what's 127 00:06:56,827 --> 00:07:00,707 Speaker 4: happened in the last two regimes clearly because assistant coaches 128 00:07:00,747 --> 00:07:01,867 Speaker 4: didn't go the distance. 129 00:07:02,787 --> 00:07:06,867 Speaker 2: It's a balance of power that is going to be 130 00:07:07,027 --> 00:07:10,107 Speaker 2: key in these decisions, and you get the feeling that 131 00:07:10,347 --> 00:07:15,707 Speaker 2: is going to happen with maybe nobody having the I 132 00:07:15,747 --> 00:07:20,067 Speaker 2: suppose that the final judgment out decent involvement with the 133 00:07:20,107 --> 00:07:22,667 Speaker 2: other And I looked at that with the players via 134 00:07:22,707 --> 00:07:25,427 Speaker 2: the coach as to what the players or the coach 135 00:07:25,507 --> 00:07:29,027 Speaker 2: want an assistant coach, I mean, how important is that balance? 136 00:07:29,747 --> 00:07:31,347 Speaker 2: It has to be the coaches the boss. But the 137 00:07:31,387 --> 00:07:33,747 Speaker 2: players are they going to play under these guys, right, 138 00:07:33,947 --> 00:07:35,467 Speaker 2: and they've got to know what they want. So again 139 00:07:35,667 --> 00:07:38,227 Speaker 2: another balanced situation has to be sorted. 140 00:07:39,107 --> 00:07:40,427 Speaker 3: Yeah, to a degree. 141 00:07:40,427 --> 00:07:41,947 Speaker 4: I don't that you can hand it over too far 142 00:07:42,067 --> 00:07:43,307 Speaker 4: to the players about you know. 143 00:07:43,507 --> 00:07:45,907 Speaker 3: How much say in control? 144 00:07:45,947 --> 00:07:51,507 Speaker 4: I think they player input wider feedback from a whole 145 00:07:51,707 --> 00:07:54,747 Speaker 4: different variety of players, not just current All Blacks, but 146 00:07:54,827 --> 00:07:57,867 Speaker 4: former All Blacks, people that have played super rugby. They 147 00:07:57,907 --> 00:08:02,587 Speaker 4: all fed into the head coaching process to inform the decision. 148 00:08:02,947 --> 00:08:05,707 Speaker 4: It wasn't the players getting what they wanted, it was 149 00:08:05,747 --> 00:08:09,947 Speaker 4: New Zealand. I'd be asking players of all different types 150 00:08:09,987 --> 00:08:14,427 Speaker 4: of players, as I've just mentioned, what their assessment was 151 00:08:14,427 --> 00:08:16,747 Speaker 4: of Dave Anny, what their assessment was of Jamie Joseph, 152 00:08:16,827 --> 00:08:19,827 Speaker 4: because these guys have user experience, so they're the best 153 00:08:19,827 --> 00:08:20,747 Speaker 4: people to go to ask to. 154 00:08:20,867 --> 00:08:23,227 Speaker 3: Like, what's he really like? How well does he coach? 155 00:08:23,667 --> 00:08:26,587 Speaker 4: And if you're a senior All Black, you know when 156 00:08:26,587 --> 00:08:29,147 Speaker 4: you've encountered a good coach. You know when you have 157 00:08:29,307 --> 00:08:31,267 Speaker 4: encountered a coach that you don't think is quite up 158 00:08:31,307 --> 00:08:35,067 Speaker 4: to These guys are really good at making assessments about coaches. 159 00:08:35,147 --> 00:08:38,547 Speaker 4: So in terms of the head coaching thing that definitely happened, 160 00:08:38,867 --> 00:08:41,027 Speaker 4: I don't think you would hand over too much around 161 00:08:41,067 --> 00:08:44,587 Speaker 4: the assistance or go too deep and getting players feedback 162 00:08:45,067 --> 00:08:47,707 Speaker 4: or extensive player feedback around those guys. 163 00:08:47,707 --> 00:08:49,787 Speaker 3: You might ask a few questions of a few players 164 00:08:49,787 --> 00:08:50,867 Speaker 3: who might have coached. 165 00:08:50,547 --> 00:08:54,507 Speaker 4: With people, But I think the critical issue here is 166 00:08:54,787 --> 00:09:00,307 Speaker 4: there's a nuance in that Specifically, Dave has worked quite 167 00:09:00,347 --> 00:09:04,227 Speaker 4: considerably with Mike Blayer, so Dave has a relationship with Mike, 168 00:09:05,027 --> 00:09:08,427 Speaker 4: so Dave's comfortable Mike knows how Dave wants to play 169 00:09:08,467 --> 00:09:12,307 Speaker 4: the game. They're currently working together at Kobe, so they've 170 00:09:12,307 --> 00:09:16,627 Speaker 4: got that trust, that instant rapport, that knowledge of one another. 171 00:09:17,067 --> 00:09:21,507 Speaker 4: But the players don't know Mike. New Zealand's players don't 172 00:09:21,507 --> 00:09:24,507 Speaker 4: know Mike. Mike doesn't know New Zealand players. So on 173 00:09:24,547 --> 00:09:26,827 Speaker 4: the other side of this equation is Scott Hanson, who 174 00:09:26,867 --> 00:09:29,187 Speaker 4: does know the players, who has worked with all Blacks. 175 00:09:29,227 --> 00:09:31,507 Speaker 3: He is currently contracted. 176 00:09:30,907 --> 00:09:34,027 Speaker 4: Effectively to the old Blacks, so that's bringing a bit 177 00:09:34,067 --> 00:09:39,107 Speaker 4: of value. So the question is does Scott Hanson's rapport 178 00:09:39,427 --> 00:09:44,987 Speaker 4: and knowledge with the players outrank Mike's relationship with Dave? 179 00:09:45,067 --> 00:09:48,107 Speaker 4: Which one's more important? Relationship with the players or relationship 180 00:09:48,147 --> 00:09:50,747 Speaker 4: with the incoming head coach. So I think that's the 181 00:09:50,827 --> 00:09:53,267 Speaker 4: balance at New Zealand Rugby, and the question that they're 182 00:09:53,267 --> 00:09:56,947 Speaker 4: getting Dave to ask himself about which one carries a 183 00:09:56,947 --> 00:09:57,747 Speaker 4: greater currency? 184 00:09:57,787 --> 00:09:58,347 Speaker 3: I suppose. 185 00:09:58,667 --> 00:10:01,147 Speaker 2: And you're going to be careful about making decisions by 186 00:10:01,267 --> 00:10:04,627 Speaker 2: committee because it never ends up well, does it. Gregor 187 00:10:04,667 --> 00:10:08,547 Speaker 2: Paul New Zealand Hero Rugby right joins us. You mentioned 188 00:10:08,627 --> 00:10:10,867 Speaker 2: before that he's got his team, who is it? Who 189 00:10:10,947 --> 00:10:14,187 Speaker 2: do you believe is going to be selected? And Tana Umanga, 190 00:10:14,227 --> 00:10:18,387 Speaker 2: who's managed to fend off these questions around is it 191 00:10:18,427 --> 00:10:21,867 Speaker 2: going to be him he's plainly up there, or is 192 00:10:21,907 --> 00:10:23,467 Speaker 2: he who do you like? Who do you think? 193 00:10:24,187 --> 00:10:24,387 Speaker 3: Well? 194 00:10:24,427 --> 00:10:28,707 Speaker 4: I think Tana's clearly been approached by Dave and that 195 00:10:28,707 --> 00:10:32,107 Speaker 4: would make sense. They've got a they go way back 196 00:10:32,147 --> 00:10:35,427 Speaker 4: to two thousand and Tana played for Wellington under death 197 00:10:35,467 --> 00:10:38,547 Speaker 4: Again as a relationship, I think they may have overlapped in. 198 00:10:38,507 --> 00:10:40,387 Speaker 3: Other places, but I can't think where. 199 00:10:40,507 --> 00:10:43,947 Speaker 4: So clearly there's there's a bit of a mutual respect 200 00:10:43,947 --> 00:10:48,667 Speaker 4: between one another. Tana is currently head coach with Moana, 201 00:10:48,707 --> 00:10:52,347 Speaker 4: but he's been a defense coach separately with the Blues. 202 00:10:52,387 --> 00:10:54,387 Speaker 3: I think am I right in thinking that he did 203 00:10:54,387 --> 00:10:55,227 Speaker 3: that for a week while? 204 00:10:55,827 --> 00:10:59,787 Speaker 4: Look, he was clearly one of the best defense of 205 00:10:59,947 --> 00:11:03,067 Speaker 4: footballers I've ever seen. He was a brilliant defender on 206 00:11:03,107 --> 00:11:06,507 Speaker 4: the field, So there's no doubt that in understanding how 207 00:11:06,547 --> 00:11:07,787 Speaker 4: defense systems need. 208 00:11:07,667 --> 00:11:09,867 Speaker 3: To be set up, Tanner would be right up there. 209 00:11:10,507 --> 00:11:16,467 Speaker 4: Whether he's proven himself as an outstanding defensive. 210 00:11:15,987 --> 00:11:19,667 Speaker 3: Coach ready to step up to the All Blacks. 211 00:11:19,387 --> 00:11:22,987 Speaker 4: Don't know, genuinely don't know, But I'm a big fan 212 00:11:23,027 --> 00:11:25,547 Speaker 4: of Tanna and I think put him in that environment, 213 00:11:25,627 --> 00:11:29,227 Speaker 4: and I think he under Dave's watchful eye. I think 214 00:11:29,267 --> 00:11:31,707 Speaker 4: he will be a good defensive coach for the All Blacks. 215 00:11:31,747 --> 00:11:34,347 Speaker 4: I think he will end up in that coaching team. 216 00:11:34,787 --> 00:11:38,347 Speaker 4: He's a Pacific rugby icon, if I could put it 217 00:11:38,387 --> 00:11:42,787 Speaker 4: that way. In a team that is probably has been 218 00:11:42,787 --> 00:11:45,707 Speaker 4: in the last couple of years, about seventy five percent 219 00:11:46,427 --> 00:11:50,187 Speaker 4: of the team have being pacifica or Maori. So don't 220 00:11:50,227 --> 00:11:53,787 Speaker 4: overlook the importance of that. That is a big factor 221 00:11:54,387 --> 00:11:58,547 Speaker 4: of having a guy that's highly connected in that world, 222 00:11:58,707 --> 00:12:01,827 Speaker 4: hugely respected. I think that's the big things. I think 223 00:12:01,867 --> 00:12:05,187 Speaker 4: he will find a way into that coaching group. I 224 00:12:05,187 --> 00:12:08,587 Speaker 4: think Neil Barnes has been a big factor in Dave's 225 00:12:08,587 --> 00:12:11,067 Speaker 4: coaching for a long time, and I think they're keen 226 00:12:11,187 --> 00:12:17,147 Speaker 4: to reconnect. And you know, Barnes brings a fairly direct approach. 227 00:12:17,507 --> 00:12:19,987 Speaker 4: People that know him says, hell of a smart guy. 228 00:12:20,587 --> 00:12:23,067 Speaker 4: He's got colorful language, which we all saw in that 229 00:12:23,187 --> 00:12:27,587 Speaker 4: sixth Nations documentary, which you know was was funny at 230 00:12:27,587 --> 00:12:29,827 Speaker 4: times and cringy at other times. But he's a guy 231 00:12:29,867 --> 00:12:32,627 Speaker 4: that knows rugby, and I think there's no harm in 232 00:12:32,667 --> 00:12:38,547 Speaker 4: having a really direct sharpshooter, direct talker, encouraging for us 233 00:12:38,587 --> 00:12:40,707 Speaker 4: to put, you know, shut the gobs, put their heads 234 00:12:40,747 --> 00:12:42,267 Speaker 4: down and the bumbs up and get on with it. 235 00:12:42,387 --> 00:12:43,987 Speaker 4: I think that's not a bad thing. So I think 236 00:12:44,067 --> 00:12:48,267 Speaker 4: he'll come in and then we're probably looking at either 237 00:12:48,347 --> 00:12:51,147 Speaker 4: Mikey Blair or Scott Hansen to lead the attack, and 238 00:12:51,187 --> 00:12:53,227 Speaker 4: I suspect it will be Mike that gets the nod 239 00:12:53,347 --> 00:12:57,547 Speaker 4: in the end, and maybe Andrew Strawbridge. Oh, and he's 240 00:12:57,547 --> 00:12:59,907 Speaker 4: going to keep Jason Ryan from the existing crew as 241 00:12:59,947 --> 00:13:01,987 Speaker 4: well to focus. 242 00:13:01,707 --> 00:13:05,907 Speaker 3: More on scrammaging and mauling. And then maybe Andrew. 243 00:13:05,587 --> 00:13:08,747 Speaker 4: Strawbridge as a skills coach who's previously been with the 244 00:13:08,827 --> 00:13:13,787 Speaker 4: Chiefs And it's kind of working as a contracting gun 245 00:13:13,827 --> 00:13:16,427 Speaker 4: for hire at the moment and doing a lot of 246 00:13:16,427 --> 00:13:19,067 Speaker 4: good work with England in the past, and I think 247 00:13:19,067 --> 00:13:20,187 Speaker 4: he's in Japan at the moment. 248 00:13:20,867 --> 00:13:26,107 Speaker 2: The PACIFICA connection is important. Dave Rennie asked him about 249 00:13:26,107 --> 00:13:27,947 Speaker 2: that when he got given the job of the press 250 00:13:27,987 --> 00:13:30,587 Speaker 2: conference and he was like, no, everybody's important. It's not 251 00:13:30,947 --> 00:13:34,827 Speaker 2: just necessary MARII and Pacifica. But to have that connection 252 00:13:35,507 --> 00:13:39,147 Speaker 2: I think is huge. So you add Dave Rennie's Tana Umanger, 253 00:13:39,267 --> 00:13:40,387 Speaker 2: I don't think you can go wrong. 254 00:13:41,587 --> 00:13:42,627 Speaker 3: No, it's huge. 255 00:13:42,627 --> 00:13:44,387 Speaker 4: I mean Dave's point is he's got to connect with 256 00:13:44,467 --> 00:13:46,547 Speaker 4: all you know, if he's got forty three players and 257 00:13:46,627 --> 00:13:48,987 Speaker 4: his squad or whatever the number is, he's seen South Africa, 258 00:13:49,587 --> 00:13:52,467 Speaker 4: he's got to connect with all of them. The culture 259 00:13:52,547 --> 00:13:56,707 Speaker 4: has to be all inclusive for every single player. But 260 00:13:57,387 --> 00:14:00,267 Speaker 4: to your point, there is a specific element here of 261 00:14:00,827 --> 00:14:03,027 Speaker 4: the predominant heritage of. 262 00:14:03,067 --> 00:14:06,747 Speaker 3: The players a Pacifica and Maori, and I think it's 263 00:14:06,827 --> 00:14:07,547 Speaker 3: just important. 264 00:14:07,867 --> 00:14:11,227 Speaker 4: In previous all black regimes, you know, it's been an 265 00:14:11,387 --> 00:14:16,187 Speaker 4: entirely Caucasian coaching team, guys that have maybe maybe one 266 00:14:16,227 --> 00:14:19,227 Speaker 4: of the faults of the previous regime was they just 267 00:14:19,267 --> 00:14:23,147 Speaker 4: didn't connect with all the diverse elements of the all 268 00:14:23,187 --> 00:14:26,227 Speaker 4: black group. They've been used to coaching and the Crusaders 269 00:14:26,347 --> 00:14:29,627 Speaker 4: they had a way of doing it down there, and 270 00:14:29,747 --> 00:14:31,507 Speaker 4: they had a very kind of narrow view of the 271 00:14:31,507 --> 00:14:34,147 Speaker 4: world that didn't necessarily translate. 272 00:14:33,707 --> 00:14:35,147 Speaker 3: All that way to the all Blacks. 273 00:14:35,747 --> 00:14:40,667 Speaker 4: I think having Tana, having Dave with a real understanding 274 00:14:40,707 --> 00:14:45,867 Speaker 4: of who the people are that are in their playing group, I. 275 00:14:45,787 --> 00:14:48,907 Speaker 3: Think that'll be huge. I'm with you and that I agree. 276 00:14:48,707 --> 00:14:52,187 Speaker 2: Onwards and upwards very much looking forward to these appointments, 277 00:14:52,187 --> 00:14:54,907 Speaker 2: in fact appointments right across the board in New Zealand Rugby. 278 00:14:54,987 --> 00:14:57,907 Speaker 2: I really hope they managed to stitch up that ThReD 279 00:14:57,907 --> 00:14:59,787 Speaker 2: be in nature and on mat Gregor Paul and youw 280 00:14:59,827 --> 00:15:01,707 Speaker 2: Zell and Hill or rugby writer, we think very much 281 00:15:01,747 --> 00:15:04,187 Speaker 2: for your time, your insight, your expertise to look after 282 00:15:04,227 --> 00:15:05,427 Speaker 2: yourself well. 283 00:15:05,707 --> 00:15:06,307 Speaker 3: Thanks Darsie. 284 00:15:07,147 --> 00:15:10,267 Speaker 2: I thank you very much Gregor in zid hero dot 285 00:15:10,307 --> 00:15:12,707 Speaker 2: co dot inzi if you want to read more of 286 00:15:12,907 --> 00:15:17,827 Speaker 2: what's lurking in Gregor Paul's Rugby Minded as well worth it. 287 00:15:17,827 --> 00:15:21,467 Speaker 1: As for more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine. 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