1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: Kyoda. 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 2: I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is the Front Page, a 3 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 2: daily podcast. 4 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 1: Presented by the New Zealand Herald. 5 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 2: Cost of living and the economy remain top of the 6 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 2: agenda for national. 7 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 1: Prime Minister Christopher. 8 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 2: Luxeen's already touting his leadership as one that is a 9 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 2: clear choice for New Zealander's at next year's election, saying 10 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 2: the government inherited. 11 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: A mess and is sorting it out. 12 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 2: However, commentators have been quick to point out the issues 13 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 2: facing National ahead of the campaign, writing that Luxon is 14 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 2: getting worried and that National is a mess. So as 15 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 2: the battle lines start getting drawn in the beehive, what 16 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 2: is ahead for politicians today? On the front Page, Outgoing 17 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 2: News Talk z B political editor Jason Walls joins us 18 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 2: to discuss the past week in politics and what could 19 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 2: lie head. First off, Jase, Christopher Exxon's out here talking 20 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 2: about cleaning up messes, trust in his leadership and that 21 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 2: the country's best days lie ahead. It kind of sounds 22 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 2: like it's in a campaign mode already, Is it a 23 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 2: bit too soon? 24 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 3: Oh? Well, when you're a prime minister, or any politician 25 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 3: for that matter, every day is campaign mode because you're 26 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 3: always looking to get reelected. And I think, especially now, 27 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 3: you've got a national party that was so focused on 28 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 3: the economy and saying we're the guys that can handle this, 29 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 3: trust us to turn this around. And eighteen months later, 30 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 3: I mean, we're in a position where things aren't looking good. 31 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 3: So I would say it's almost less campaigning. Is its 32 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 3: damage control at this stage because you can talk about 33 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 3: things like global factors until the cows come home, But 34 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 3: at the end of the day, when the Nats are 35 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 3: in opposition, they're ignoring those things and taking a crack 36 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 3: at the then current government. So I think the chickens 37 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 3: have in some ways come home to roost a little 38 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 3: bit there. 39 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 2: Do Winston's small array of random bills being put into 40 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 2: the Biggie ten spell a bit of I don't know, 41 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 2: preparation from New Zealand. First, maybe they're slowly trying to 42 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 2: back away from the coalition. 43 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 3: Well, I mean I just talked a moment ago about 44 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 3: how every politician is always in campaign mode. There is 45 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 3: nobody more so than Winston, Raymond Peter is always in 46 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 3: campaign mode. And listen, this is just it's an interesting 47 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 3: phenomenon this New Zealand. First, I would say clogging the 48 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 3: biscuit tin with some fairly irrelevant sort of bills, because 49 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 3: if you're in a government party, you have the ability 50 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 3: to put things on the government as gender and some 51 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 3: of these things about you know, only flying New Zealand 52 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:41,239 Speaker 3: flags outside of New Zealand government buildings, which is a 53 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 3: not of things like the LGBTQI plus flag and various 54 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 3: other different flags that he's just making into these sort 55 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 3: of these culture wars and giving it the shroud of 56 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 3: authenticity by putting it in the biscuit tin means that 57 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 3: I think he thinks that it's going to have more 58 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 3: of a poll with the public where it's actually not. 59 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 3: I mean, just you could just put out a press 60 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 3: release for these things. But what it's doing is you've 61 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 3: got other bills in the ballot. For example, Laura McClure 62 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 3: from the ACT Party has this fantastic bill where she 63 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 3: wants to ban nontensensual AI pawn And because Winston is 64 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 3: putting every second week some of these bills in the ballot, 65 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 3: which are frankly not very good pieces of legislation, it 66 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 3: means it has less of a chance for the really 67 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 3: good pieces of legislation to be pulled out. So, yes, 68 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 3: it is one hundred percent electioneering by Winston and New 69 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,399 Speaker 3: Zealand first. But I'm not surprised in the slightest. 70 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 2: We had Chris Hipkins on the podcast the other week. 71 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 2: He seems to think we should have a little look 72 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 2: about how MMP works. 73 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 4: I differ for a bit from the current government and 74 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 4: the sense that, you know, I respect the important constituencies 75 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 4: the smaller parties represent, and I also respect that we 76 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 4: compete with them for votes too. I don't think under 77 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 4: MMP the smaller parties should call all of the shots, 78 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 4: you know. I still think that the bigger parties have 79 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 4: a man to reflect the view of a much larger 80 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 4: section of the electorate, and so I do think under 81 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 4: MMP you need to kind of keep proportionality in mind. Yes, 82 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 4: there should be some concessions and some trade offs to 83 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 4: the other parties in order to form government, but that 84 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 4: doesn't mean that you should be doing things that you 85 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,559 Speaker 4: specifically told the electorate before the election that you weren't 86 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 4: going to do. 87 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 1: What do you make of that suggestion. 88 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 3: I think it's kind of ironic coming from Chris Hopkins, 89 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 3: who will probably be working with if he gets into government. 90 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 3: TI Party Marii and the Greens, who will have a 91 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 3: disproportionate impact because if you just look at their rhetoric 92 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 3: now and I know things do get toned down a 93 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 3: little bit when you're in government, but that will be 94 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 3: a case of the tail wagging the dog in numerous circumstances. 95 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 3: And frankly, I mean that's just the system that we 96 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 3: have in New Zealand. We have an MMP system where 97 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 3: we don't have one party that has all the power. 98 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:57,479 Speaker 3: They actually do have to have communication and consultation with 99 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 3: some of the smaller parties, but it's in. Remember it's in. 100 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 3: Chris Hipkins is the best interest to call out the 101 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 3: government for the sort of what he considerts to be 102 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 3: the more fringe aspects of the right because it's going 103 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 3: to turn a lot of middle voters off. But he's 104 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 3: got to be careful because you know, it's throwing stones 105 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 3: in a glasshouse, because when it comes to the election, 106 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 3: or even beforehand, you get parties on the right hand 107 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 3: side saying the exact same thing about Chris Luxen, are 108 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 3: Chris Hickins rather and the further left of that political 109 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 3: spectrum with TI Party Marty. 110 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 2: Especially, how do you reckon everything's going at the moment. 111 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 2: I mean, it's hardly been a coalition of chaos, has it. 112 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 3: No, it hasn't. And I think and will I will 113 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:41,799 Speaker 3: always say this, and it's one of my lasting memories 114 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 3: or one of my lasting opinions of politics, is that 115 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 3: Chris Luxen put together an extremely good coalition agreement. I mean, 116 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 3: it's just again, we have to and we forget about 117 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,359 Speaker 3: this sometimes, but we have to remember that it's three 118 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 3: parties in a coalition. That means you've got three parties 119 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 3: around the cabinet table. It's never been done. We've had 120 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 3: confidence and supply mixed in with coalition, with the least 121 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 3: labor government, and various other iterations in the past that 122 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 3: three actual parties in a coalition government. Of course, we 123 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 3: got people saying it was going to be a coalition 124 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 3: of chaos because you look at Winston and you look 125 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 3: at Seymour. I mean, when they're in opposition, they were 126 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 3: literally threatening to fight each other. I don't use the 127 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 3: word literally often, but they were. 128 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: They literally meet me outside. 129 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 3: There'll be three Winston was talking about how he had 130 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 3: hit David Seymour and he'd have to call the ambulance 131 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 3: this actually happened. It was just this wild West time 132 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 3: and politics, and now the three of them are sitting 133 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 3: around the cabinet table being all hunky doory with each other. 134 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 3: Of course, people were saying that this was going to 135 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 3: be a coalition of chaos, but because that coalition agreement 136 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 3: was crafted so intricately, it meant that we've seen them 137 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 3: have their little scuffles. I'm sure that there has an 138 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 3: eyes I understand it. Quite a lot of disagreements behind 139 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 3: the scene, but as long as they stick to the 140 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 3: legislative agenda that they've put forth, that's exactly what they've 141 00:06:58,680 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 3: promised to the New Zealand voter. 142 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 2: A few commentators for The Herald have written about the 143 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 2: potential concerns facing National. So Audrey Young wrote that Luxon 144 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 2: is getting worried about National's messaging not getting through. Simon 145 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 2: Wilson said that National is making a hash of things, 146 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 2: and Matthew Houghton has declared Luxon is living on borrowed time. 147 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 2: Not exactly the best headlines for them at the minute. 148 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 2: What's causing this trend of headlines. 149 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:27,239 Speaker 1: I suppose it's. 150 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 3: Just grim out there. It's just grim. It's the economy stupid, 151 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 3: not telling you stupid. Of course, Chelse love you love 152 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 3: your work. But it's the old phrase. National got into 153 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 3: power by saying that they would fix the economy, and 154 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 3: as Chris Hipkins has pointed out, it's been eighteen months 155 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 3: and it's not fixed. You do have Chris Luxon on 156 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 3: the other hand saying things like, well, it's going to 157 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 3: take more than eighteen months to turn it around. But 158 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 3: it was Nikola Willis singliston twenty twenty five is going 159 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 3: to be better, just wait for those interest rates to 160 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 3: filter through. 161 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: And which is was that thrive so twenty twenty five? 162 00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: At one point? 163 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 3: Was it survive for twenty twenty five? I think it 164 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 3: was because things were still grim in twenty twenty four. 165 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 3: But how I'm not feeling I'm not thriving. I'm not 166 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 3: sure that you are. I mean, I'm looking down the 167 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 3: barrel of a massive loss in the house that I own. 168 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 3: And you know that You've got a lot of my 169 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 3: friends that are moving overseas. A lot of it is 170 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 3: getting quite personal now, and people vote on the personal 171 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 3: and if it starts to impact you, it starts to 172 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 3: affect you. If you start seeing some of your friends, 173 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 3: some of your colleagues losing their job. As we see 174 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 3: unemployment tacking up, that starts to become a problem and 175 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 3: people want to look for someone to blame. 176 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 2: What do you think the government has actually is aware 177 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 2: of the impacts of cost of living. We had some 178 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 2: worrying unemployment stats out this week, but Finance Minister Nichola 179 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 2: Willis said people were taking a glass half empty approach 180 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 2: and once again blamed the previous government. 181 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:51,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, and listen, I kind of do feel for Nikola 182 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 3: Willis on this one, because she is right. You know, 183 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 3: Treasury were expecting I think a five point three five 184 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 3: point four percent unemployment rate. We got five point two, 185 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 3: So it is better than expectations. It's better than what 186 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 3: a lot of economists were expecting. But it's still right 187 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 3: up there with the highest unemployment rates since twenty twenty. So, 188 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 3: I mean, you've got to look at it. You could 189 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 3: do it glass half full and you could do a 190 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 3: glass half empty. Of course, Nikola Willis is going to 191 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 3: do the glass half full because the buck stops with 192 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 3: her with something like that. But yeah, you just can't 193 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 3: need to take a little bit of a historical perspective 194 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 3: on unemployment. My good friend Thomas Coglan will say this 195 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 3: that the John Key era government, unemployment was above five 196 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 3: percent for every single quarter they were in government bar 197 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 3: the last one maybe two while Bill English was in government, 198 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 3: and then everything switched. The government changed and it got 199 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 3: over to labor and so unemployment has historically usually set 200 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 3: around the level that we're seeing right now. We just 201 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 3: had a period of time where it was historically quite low. 202 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 3: I mean it's one point. With the Arderne years, we 203 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 3: were getting it into the three percent, which is very 204 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 3: we usually it's quite unheard of in New Zealand context. 205 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 2: Could that be attributed to COVID as well though, us 206 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 2: not being able to leave the country. 207 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 3: You've got to look at the fact that there are 208 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 3: so many people leave it. You've got to start asking 209 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 3: some questions about that and if there's more people here. 210 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 3: There was a lot of government subsidies at that time. 211 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 3: Of course, there was the you know, if the government 212 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 3: didn't do the wage subsidies scheme would have been a 213 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 3: lot higher. Obviously, that's just how it works. So you know, 214 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:30,119 Speaker 3: I don't think it is as pure market led economy 215 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 3: as the labor government would have had you believe at 216 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 3: the time, there was a lot of government interventions. But still, 217 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 3: you know, if people are just looking at the raw numbers, 218 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 3: which I will say again the Nest did when they're 219 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 3: in opposition, so you've got to compare apples to apples 220 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,319 Speaker 3: on these sorts of things. 221 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:54,839 Speaker 2: Speaking of the next election, the government set aside twenty 222 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 2: five million dollars for a referendum on four year parliamentary terms. 223 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 2: It's agreed in principle to holding one, but a final 224 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 2: decision isn't expected until early next month. What are the 225 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 2: vibes Jason like? How likely is this referendum? Do you 226 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 2: think the reference. 227 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 3: That's a bit of a toss up. I think that 228 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 3: they've talked about it for a while and it may 229 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 3: or may not be at the next election. I mean, 230 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 3: the fact that they set funding aside for it is 231 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 3: a pretty indicative nod to the fact that it will 232 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 3: be happening. But I think the more interesting question is 233 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 3: will where does the New Zealand public sit on this one? 234 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 3: Because I think absolutely four year terms. I mean you 235 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 3: look over at the UK, for example, five years I 236 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,839 Speaker 3: think is too long. Three years is too short because 237 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 3: you have one year to kind of get yourself to 238 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 3: your feet under the desk and figure it all out. 239 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 3: You have a second year to be like, Okay, I 240 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 3: know what's going on here, let's try and move something through. 241 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 3: And then you've got the third year that is actually 242 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 3: you're more or less campaigning for a lot of the time, 243 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 3: and voters know that, and so what tends to happen 244 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 3: is say, okay, we'll give you at least two terms, 245 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 3: and then it gets to the point where too long. 246 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 3: You know, it's a default six year term. So having 247 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 3: it four years kind of cuts both ways because it 248 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 3: means that voters will be less sympathetic to the argument 249 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 3: to say that, oh, they've only had three years, we'll 250 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 3: give them another go just to see how they go. 251 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 3: Because four years you really should be starting to get 252 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 3: something done. At the same time, it's not too short 253 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,559 Speaker 3: to say that, you know, nothing could get done if 254 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,679 Speaker 3: things did go really sideways. So I think you've got 255 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 3: people like Chris Hipkins and Chris Luxon both saying that 256 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 3: they want a four year term, and they've said that, 257 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 3: you know, it will happen eventually. I'm sure some of 258 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 3: the other candidates, like David Seymour, I do remember him 259 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 3: being sympathetic to it. The outlies. Of course, Winston and 260 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 3: Ti Party Marti. You never really know what they're going 261 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 3: to say on an issue, so we'll wait to see 262 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 3: what they say, or we'll do a bit more research 263 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 3: into what they've already said. But I think the New 264 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 3: Zealand public will be very sympathetic to it. 265 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 2: And of course we can't go and speak about politics, 266 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 2: especially this week without mentioning Trump's tariffs. 267 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: How do you reckon our government has fared? 268 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 3: Oh, there's nothing they can do really. You know, they 269 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 3: got to ten percent and they were happy with that, 270 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:07,559 Speaker 3: and I understood why because if you're playing at a 271 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 3: level playing field with other countries that are ten percent, 272 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 3: that's fantastic. But if you're looking at other countries, say 273 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 3: Vietnam or some there where they export you know, they 274 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 3: export some dairy to the US, we're obviously going to 275 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:22,679 Speaker 3: have a better competitive advantage there if our tariffs are 276 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 3: ten and there's our can't remember what they are, but 277 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 3: I think they were up around the thirties. Essentially bringing 278 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 3: us up to fifteen is a bit of a blow. 279 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 3: The government needs to put on a bit of a 280 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 3: brave face and show that they're trying to overturn these things. 281 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 3: They can't take it lying down. But at the end 282 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 3: of the day, you know, Todd with Play is not 283 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 3: going to a bang on the Oval Office door and say, 284 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 3: mister Trump, we've got our dairy exporters, we've got our 285 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 3: wine exporters. Have you not considered them? And he's going 286 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 3: to be like, oh, sorry, I didn't consider them. You know, 287 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 3: it's just not going to happen New Zealand. Is we 288 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 3: forget because we're here, that we are, we're seen on 289 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 3: the global stage is nice, but fairly irrelevant. And so 290 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 3: if they start ratcheting down New Zealand's tariffs, other countries 291 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 3: are going to be asking some questions, other countries with 292 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 3: much bigger economic footprints than ours. 293 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 5: We will have to see what the impact of this 294 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 5: latest development is, but I expect that some of those 295 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 5: companies will probably now we double their efforts to develop 296 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 5: and explore other markets. The government, for our part, will 297 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 5: continue out of work to support those exporters with good information. 298 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 5: We will continue our work to open up new markets 299 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 5: around the world and to pursue good trade into those 300 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 5: countries with whom we already have free trade arrangements. And 301 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 5: we will continue to represent New Zealand's case for a 302 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 5: better deal with the US. 303 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 2: And while we're on the subject, what have the Greens 304 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 2: into Padimori been up too lately. 305 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 3: Oh, they've been playing opposition, you know, this is the 306 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 3: things that they do. They try and get into the press. 307 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 3: I think that Chloe Straubrick I was having a good 308 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 3: chat with her the other night actually about how she 309 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 3: sees the lay of the land right now, and she's 310 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 3: pretty happy with how the Greens are going And why wouldn't. 311 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 3: You're at twelve percent. You did your budget where you 312 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 3: taxed everybody from Arthur to Martha the whole way through 313 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 3: and or you proposed to and people like that. The 314 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 3: elector like that, the Green Party base like that. So 315 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 3: she's probably in quite good spirits Tea Party Marty as well. 316 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 3: I mean they're coming up with the brunting up against 317 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 3: Labor at the upcoming by election and that's going to 318 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 3: be a real test for both parties the ultimate makeup 319 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 3: of parliament that you know, we're not going to top 320 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 3: all the government with the Tomackie mccod or by election, 321 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 3: but it is an indicative look into how the sort 322 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 3: of the Marti world New Zealand sees the opposition right now. 323 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 3: You more of a Tea Party Marty person or more 324 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 3: of a labor person. And you've got two exceptional candidates, 325 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 3: I mean or any versus Peni Hennedy. It's going to 326 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 3: be a blockbuster and I'm looking forward to it because 327 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 3: of what it represents for the next year's election. So 328 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 3: keep an eye Peel's keep two eyes peeled, I would 329 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 3: say actual. 330 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 2: And lastly, Jace, I know it's your last day in 331 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 2: the Beehive today and got word around the office. 332 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: I think as well have a listen to this. 333 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 4: Well. 334 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 2: Jason. 335 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 6: Look, I just want to say, mate, thank you so 336 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 6: much for all the work in the press gallery. I've 337 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 6: got to be honest, sometimes you're not my most favorite 338 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 6: people on earth, but I have to say you've been 339 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 6: absolutely stellar. You've been there nine years, You've done an 340 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 6: exceptionally good job, You've learned all about politics, and I 341 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 6: just think you I wish you're all the very best, mate, 342 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 6: as I've spoken to you before, in the next part 343 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 6: of your career, it's a really great move for you personally, 344 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 6: and I think you're going to be awesome at it. 345 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 6: So thanks what you've been doing covering politics, down in 346 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 6: Wellington and getting the message out to the people about 347 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 6: what's really going on. 348 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: I appreciate what you work. 349 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 3: Take care of mate, go well. I feel a bit 350 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 3: bad about what I've said about the economy. Now, thank you, right, 351 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 3: honorable Chris Mark Lutson. That was very nice, Savid. It's 352 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 3: been a what heck of a ride over the last 353 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 3: nine years. 354 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: What's it like? 355 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 2: I mean in terms of the faces that you see 356 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 2: coming and going when you're in the bee Hive for 357 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 2: that long, do you see the intricacies of different personalities 358 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 2: and how different governments really take hold and see those changes? 359 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the thing about politics, and this is 360 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 3: going to sound cheesy, but bear with me. It is 361 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 3: really about the people. And I can say genuinely with 362 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 3: my hand on my heart that everybody here that I've 363 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 3: caught to is here because they want to make a difference. 364 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 3: So as a matter, if you're on the center left, 365 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 3: the far left, to the center right, the further right, 366 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 3: you know, everybody here is here because they genuinely they've 367 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 3: been voted in by a constituent base that they really 368 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 3: want to represent. And it's been one of the best 369 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 3: things about being a gallery reporter. Especially more of a 370 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 3: senior gallery reporter is you get to see the people 371 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 3: behind the scenes and you get to talk to them 372 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 3: and actually find out what makes them tick. And they're 373 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 3: all really they get along. It's the thing like it 374 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 3: was the other night. I'm sure they might be saying this. 375 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:53,360 Speaker 3: The two polar opposite people in Parliament would probably be 376 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 3: Stephen Abel from the Greens and Simon Court from Act 377 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 3: and the other night we're having some drinks in the 378 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 3: gallery and the two of them would talking like old friends. 379 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 3: And it's those sorts of things that I really love 380 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 3: about this place is that there's a lot of theater. 381 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 3: There's a lot of rgi bargie when the cameras are on, 382 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 3: but when they're off, actually people get along, and in 383 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 3: select committees and in various different places that we don't 384 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 3: usually see, there's a lot of people working together to 385 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 3: make this country really great. So after being here for 386 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 3: so long, I mean, I've covered some crazy stories, some 387 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 3: incredible times for New Zealand, but I'll remember the fact 388 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 3: that at the end of the day, people are genuinely 389 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 3: here to make this country a better place, and we're 390 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 3: really well served by our politicians and the press gallery. 391 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:36,919 Speaker 3: Of course, what a great group of people, especially the 392 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 3: newstalksb Office and the Herald. 393 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Jash, no problem, by friend. That's 394 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 2: it for this episode of the Front Page. 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