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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks AB.

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Speaker 2: We'll take you to Wellington before midday to day to

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Speaker 2: see how conditions are looking ahead of the Derby this

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Speaker 2: evening before midday as well. We're in Sydney. Oasis are

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Speaker 2: playing their final gig of their incredible world tour. It

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Speaker 2: is just it has broken all manner of records. I

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Speaker 2: would love to I would love to see the surge

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Speaker 2: pricing actually for a fas across the ditch for this

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Speaker 2: weekend because so many key wes have headed over to

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Speaker 2: Sydney or Melbourne to see Oasis perform. Our music reviewer

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Speaker 2: is there. He's going to the last show tonight, so

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Speaker 2: he'll give us a bit of a vibe check on that.

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Speaker 2: Right now, it's nine minutes past eleven, Jack dam time

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Speaker 2: to catch up with clinical psychologist Google Sutherland, who is

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Speaker 2: with us this morning. Doogle, you didn't get tickets to Oasis.

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Speaker 3: Ah, No, I didn't. I didn't even I didn't even

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Speaker 3: think about it. I wasn't the biggest Oasis fan. I've

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Speaker 3: got to be honest with you.

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Speaker 4: I appreciated him, but I didn't so I think I

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Speaker 4: was just a little bit I just missed their vibe.

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Speaker 2: I think miss the thought cause you would have been

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Speaker 2: without delving too deep. You've about pout in the right generation,

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Speaker 2: aren't you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I was. Look my big band, you know, lifelong

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Speaker 3: Connor band was the Smiths.

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Speaker 2: Really so that so much dog.

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Speaker 3: And I take no responsibility for what Morrissey does.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, but you know for me, that was like

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Speaker 4: the ultimate band ever, right, and nobody's ever lived up

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Speaker 4: to them. I don't think so, you know, I could

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Speaker 4: sort of take all leg oasis. I definitely appreciate who

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Speaker 4: they are and what they've done.

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Speaker 3: Yea.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, well, I mean it would be actually an

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Speaker 2: interesting clinical study the brother's relationship, wouldn't it. I mean, so,

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Speaker 2: I I've got an I've got an interesting take on this,

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Speaker 2: given how how much they seem to hate each other,

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Speaker 2: the Gallagher brothers and have seemed to hate each other

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Speaker 2: over the years. I reckon the reason that they have

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Speaker 2: managed to stay together on this world tour is this

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Speaker 2: incredible psychological phenomenon called money. I'm not sure if.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I entirely agree, didn't am I right? And thinking

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Speaker 4: that they might have even said that that's why they

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Speaker 4: were going more.

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Speaker 2: Money, more or less. Yeah, I mean, I mean, they

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Speaker 2: can only imagine how much they would have made. I

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Speaker 2: was good on them. I don't know for a moment

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Speaker 2: that anyway.

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Speaker 3: And they've only got one more show to.

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Speaker 2: Only one more show they can get through tonight, then

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Speaker 2: you'd hope they've made enough money that they probably don't

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Speaker 2: need to do any more for the rest of Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Hey, you're bringing to us a new word worth a

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Speaker 2: fair amount on a triple word score this morning. Fantasia.

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Speaker 3: Fantasia. Yeah, look, it was I was.

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Speaker 4: I was just I came across it sort of earlier

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Speaker 4: in the week and it reminded me.

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Speaker 3: You know, we had a discussion a month.

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Speaker 4: Or two ago about prosopagnosia, which is where you can't

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Speaker 4: recognize other people's face faces, and a fantasia is sort

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Speaker 4: of related. In fact, some people with protopagnosia have it,

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Speaker 4: but it's where you can't see mental images. So, you know,

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Speaker 4: most of us, if they if I said to people

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Speaker 4: you know listening, you know, imagine what you had or

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Speaker 4: remember what you had for breakfast this morning, Remember what

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Speaker 4: the breakfast table looked like, most of us summon up

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Speaker 4: a mental picture of what that looks like you know you,

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Speaker 4: And sometimes it's good quality and sometimes it's a bit

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Speaker 4: fuzzy quality, but it's a mental image in our head.

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Speaker 3: People with a fantasia don't have that mental image in

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Speaker 4: They just don't see in pictures they do. They don't

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Speaker 4: have a They don't think in pictures at all, which

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Speaker 4: is quite surprising and I think would be quite it's quite,

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Speaker 4: you know, quite a weird thing to discover that other

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Speaker 4: people do, if you've never had this in your life.

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Speaker 2: And do they know why this happens, Why some have

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Speaker 2: it and some don't.

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Speaker 4: Oh, look, some people will get it after it do

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Speaker 4: get it after something like a head injury or some

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Speaker 4: sort of brain injury. And some people are just apparently

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Speaker 4: or seem to be just born with it. And they

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Speaker 4: these are people that when you know, people say, oh,

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Speaker 4: the mental image or the picture in my mind, that

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Speaker 4: they think it's just it's just a turn of phrase.

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Speaker 4: I don't think we're actually referring to a picture in

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Speaker 3: But because they've never had one, which is very I

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Speaker 3: just find it intriguing that you would never have that.

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Speaker 3: And how I was going to say, how dull life

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Speaker 3: might be.

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Speaker 4: But I'm probably being I'm probably being disingenuous there.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I would change in life amazingly. I think

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Speaker 3: if you couldn't see in pictures.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right. Are there any upsides to it?

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Speaker 3: Are there any upsides to it?

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Speaker 4: Well? It is I don't know if it's a it's

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Speaker 4: an upside. It is it is associated with, or more

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Speaker 4: likely in people who are who are in kind of

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Speaker 4: sciences and it and those sorts of things, and but

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Speaker 4: but there aren't two.

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Speaker 3: There doesn't seem to be too many advantages of not

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Speaker 3: having it.

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Speaker 4: It just seems to be the extreme of one sort

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Speaker 4: of aspect of human mind is that some people have.

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Speaker 4: In fact, there is a thing called hyper fantasia where

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Speaker 4: that's the other extreme, where you where you see images vividly,

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Speaker 4: it's very difficult to almost distinguish those from reality, which

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Speaker 4: will also be a very interesting thing to experience too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, man, I wonder how people even know they

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Speaker 2: have it to kind of just say, well, I like,

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Speaker 2: think of a cheese toasty right now, just yeah, picture

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Speaker 2: of cheese toasty and how delicious looks. Oh yeah, And

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Speaker 2: if you can't that you're seeing, then you know, you've

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Speaker 4: Essentially, I think it's it's it's realizing that that people

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Speaker 4: actually do see the picture of you know, as you say,

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Speaker 4: if you close your eyes and think of a cheese toasty,

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Speaker 4: then many of us will conjure up that image of

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Speaker 4: a cheese toasty. And sometimes it's photo quality, and sometimes

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Speaker 4: it's just like a vague sort of outline, but it's

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Speaker 4: there as a mental image. And if you can't do that,

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Speaker 4: then you probably don't see in pictures.

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Speaker 3: There was a big sort of there was about ten

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Speaker 4: There was sort of a big growth in it in

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Speaker 4: the or and people acknowledging that they had it after

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Speaker 4: an article was published and and somebody went, hang on,

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Speaker 4: do you you mean you actually see those in pictures?

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Speaker 3: Because I've never had those? Yeah at all. So it's

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Speaker 3: been a fascinating discovery, I think for if you, if

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Speaker 3: you didn't, if you have a fancousty, have suddenly gone,

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Speaker 3: oh here we go.

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Speaker 2: The brain amazing eh. But it's just this is a

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Speaker 2: brain wiring thing. It's just yeah, okay, well we're just

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Speaker 2: going to do it completely differently.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And in the brain wiring they think

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Speaker 4: it could be nobody knows for sure yet, but they

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Speaker 4: think it could be that. You know that that actually

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Speaker 4: it's related to when our brains lose connections. In the

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Speaker 4: first three years of life. Our brains go through this

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Speaker 4: process called neuronal pruning, where you were almost like you

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Speaker 4: prune off.

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Speaker 3: The branches of a of a tree that you don't need.

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Speaker 4: You prune off neur own neurons in the brain that

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Speaker 4: you don't need, and that maybe you lose it then,

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Speaker 4: and maybe that's maybe that's why many adults don't have

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Speaker 4: as vivid imagination as kids, because those those neurons, those

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Speaker 4: brain connections get snipped off because we don't need them

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Speaker 4: as much.

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Speaker 3: But it's a fascinating thing, the brain. It is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very it's very Oliver sex of you this morning.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks, I'll take that and.

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Speaker 2: A good way. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely fascinating. Okay, hey,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much. Google.

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Speaker 3: Awesome.

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Speaker 2: Well, then you get back to brooding in a dark

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Speaker 2: room and listening to girlfriend and a coma or something

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Speaker 2: like that, and catch again very shortly. Ah. That is

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Speaker 2: Keen Smith's fan Google Sutherland from Umbrella Well Being For

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