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Speaker 1: Afternoon, shocking scenes have emerged from Gaza showing Hamas publicly

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Speaker 1: executing several Palestinian men. Hamas forces the men to kneel

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Speaker 1: in a public square, then shoots them in the back

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Speaker 1: of the head as people watch and film. Now. Greg

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Speaker 1: Sheridan is the foreign editor at the Australian High Greg.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Heather, how are you.

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Speaker 1: I'm very well, thank you. Now, there are some reports

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Speaker 1: that Hamas is executing people who worked with Israel. Is

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Speaker 1: that true.

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Speaker 2: It's certainly true that Hamas is executing people. It's not

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Speaker 2: clear that these people worked with Israel. Hamas is a

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Speaker 2: very vicious, bloodthirsty extremist organization and it has a long

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Speaker 2: history of killing Palestinians that it doesn't like. When it

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Speaker 2: first took power, found some homosexual Palestinian and threw them

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Speaker 2: off the top of buildings. And there's incontrovertible evidence now

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Speaker 2: that it's executing people. A few hours ago the count

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Speaker 2: was about thirty two people that had killed. It might

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Speaker 2: accuse him of working with Israel. You know, you wouldn't

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Speaker 2: take Hamas at its word. I mean, you can be

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Speaker 2: sure that these Areinians who who who have opposed how

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Speaker 2: much in the past.

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Speaker 1: Trump hassroduced that he has given Humas some level of

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Speaker 1: leeway to impose or maintain order. Would this have been

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Speaker 1: part of it or will this be shocking to the US?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? No, I think Trump is basically talking baloney there.

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Speaker 2: Hummas was supposed to surrender its arms, and it don't

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Speaker 2: impose order by making guys kneel with their back to

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Speaker 2: you and shooting them in the head. That's not the

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Speaker 2: idea of imposing any order. This was always one of

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Speaker 2: the weaknesses of the plan. Who is going to who

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Speaker 2: is going to administer and rule Gaza as Israel withdraws

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Speaker 2: And I read a piece last Saturday saying this is

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Speaker 2: not a question for six months time, this is a

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Speaker 2: question for next week. And we have no answer to

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Speaker 2: that question so far. Well, the answer is Hammas still

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Speaker 2: has the guns. It's plainly not interested in disarming. So

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Speaker 2: this is a terrible movement itself. I also think it

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Speaker 2: looks like the breakdown of the process after about two days.

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Speaker 1: What chances that Humas can actually be pushed out of Gaza,

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Speaker 1: disarmed and got rid of now.

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Speaker 2: Well, very little chance, really, very little chance. The idea

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Speaker 2: was that there be an international stabilization force, which would

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Speaker 2: essentially be Arab troops. But at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: no Arab government is going to shoot Palestinians for any

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Speaker 2: reason at all, especially if they've been seen to be

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Speaker 2: enforcing a deal that in some way or another benefits Israel.

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Speaker 2: And all of these insane demonstrators in all our countries,

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Speaker 2: in your country and my country, Australia and so on

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Speaker 2: they've been demonstrating these past two years have been essentially

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Speaker 2: pro Hummas demonstrators, whereas Hummas is really one of the

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Speaker 2: most vicious, demented, bloodthirsty, gravely anti Semitic organizations. Our former

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Speaker 2: Prime minister'santy Abbott refers to it always as a death cult,

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Speaker 2: and he's basically right. Now, the idea was that Iran

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Speaker 2: could no longer provide them with the support that it

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Speaker 2: used to, and Katar could no longer give them the

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Speaker 2: money that it used to, and therefore they might pull

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Speaker 2: back for a while and be prepared to go on

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Speaker 2: as a sort of semi underground, semi insurgent force. But

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Speaker 2: it seems to me they're not even going to do

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Speaker 2: that for a single day now. Trump says, if they

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Speaker 2: don't disarm, we'll disarm them. Well, there's no chance at

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Speaker 2: all that American troops will be going into disarmment. So

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Speaker 2: if anyone's going to disarm them, it's Israel. But we've

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Speaker 2: seen that the cost of that is too high. And

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Speaker 2: then they hide amongst civilians, they're in civilian houses and

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Speaker 2: so forth. And if the world wants Israel to disarm us,

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Speaker 2: then there's we're going to resume the war that we've

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Speaker 2: just got out of. So I think you're in for

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Speaker 2: a very messy stalemate. And how anyone sets up an

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Speaker 2: interim administration, you know, this so called a political Committee

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Speaker 2: of Palestinians which is meant to run Gaza in the

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Speaker 2: immediate future. Who knows now. The only hope, I guess

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Speaker 2: would be that Katar still could apply enough pressure. Katara,

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Speaker 2: Egypt and Turkey, which all have some influence with Hamas,

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Speaker 2: could apply enough pressure to get them do it at

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Speaker 2: least ease up for a couple of weeks at lease,

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Speaker 2: give a please give peace a face giving a face

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Speaker 2: saving sort of decent interval.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Greg, thanks very much, really appreciated. That's Greeg Sheridan,

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