1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,520 Speaker 1: One of the bigger questions out of all of this, 2 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: of course, in Butler, Pennsylvania, is how does a campaign 3 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: go forward? How do they handle security. We've got the 4 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: Republican Convention this week in Milwaukee Stants tomorrow where Trump 5 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: will be formally nominated and confirmed as a Republican Party candidate. 6 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: Former BBC US correspondent now old mate mcbriand as with 7 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: there's morning mate. Hey, Mike, could you believe what you 8 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: were seeing? 9 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 2: To be honest, Mike, I thought initially it was a 10 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 2: deep fake. I was just falling asleep in Britain, which 11 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 2: is where I am now. It was late at night. 12 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:35,599 Speaker 2: I checked my phone literally minutes after the shooting happened, 13 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 2: and I saw that picture of Donald Trump with blood 14 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 2: streaking down his face. And I thought I was looking 15 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 2: at a meme. And of course, pretty quickly afterwards I 16 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:47,200 Speaker 2: realized I was looking at one of the most extraordinary 17 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 2: moments in modern US history. You know, America is not 18 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 2: unfamiliar with political violence. Indeed, it's been the continual thread 19 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 2: of American history, you know, going back to the early 20 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 2: days of the Republic. Andrew Jackson, Trump's great hero, the 21 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 2: populist hero that he seeses his presidential soul mat he 22 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 2: was came under an attack on Capitol Hill way back 23 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 2: in the eighteen thirties. But you know, and we've seen 24 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 2: four American presidents obviously shot dead, but you know, we 25 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 2: haven't seen that in recent times. And it was extraordinary 26 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 2: and shocking to see though, perhaps you know that phrase 27 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 2: that we've often used in the Trump era, shocking but 28 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 2: not entirely surprising. 29 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, as gaulish as it may seem, Reagan's popularity win 30 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: up twenty two points post Who's shooting? Is Trump now 31 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 1: a martyr and has the game change politically for him 32 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:39,119 Speaker 1: in this race? 33 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 2: I think it enables him to revel in two things 34 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 2: that he likes to revel him, which is a sense 35 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 2: of martyrdom and a sense of victimhood. Indeed, it's a 36 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 2: shared sense of victimhood, which I think explains much of 37 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 2: the visceral connection that he has with the mag of Faithful. 38 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 2: They were rusted on already, Mike. I think they were 39 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 2: going to turn out in droves to vote for Donald Trump. 40 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 2: What's interesting about this is it may impact Republican waiverers. 41 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 2: It's very difficult now for a Republican lawmaker or a 42 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 2: pub rocking figure to be openly critical of a man 43 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 2: who has just survived an assassination attempt. Also, it makes 44 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 2: him seem more presidential, because figures like Barack Obama and 45 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 2: Bill Clinton and obviously Joe Biden have had to come 46 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 2: out and say this was a terrible event. He for 47 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 2: this moment, is part of their club, the President's club. 48 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 2: He looks presidential again, even with the blood coming down 49 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 2: his face. So I do think it's a big plus 50 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 2: for Joe Biden, a big plus for Donald Trump at 51 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 2: a time, of course, when Joe Biden has been coming 52 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 2: figuratively at least under so much friendly far from his 53 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 2: own side, and look very weak and frail, you know, 54 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 2: for Trump supporters. He looked very strong and dynamic in 55 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 2: that moment as he shouted fight, fight, fight, literally seconds 56 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 2: after he'd been shot. 57 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, the optics of that, I don't think you can 58 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: underestimate to be to go through what he did, to 59 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: get back up and to react the way he did 60 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 1: says something about him, whether you love him or not, 61 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 1: doesn't it. 62 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. And that such shot of him with fifth rays 63 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 2: blood in his face, the American flag above his head 64 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 2: is instantly iconic you know, some have been describing it 65 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 2: as an eogma moment. Some have been likening it to 66 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 2: George Washington's crossing of the Delaware, which became an incredibly 67 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 2: famous sort of picture painting that sort of echoed down 68 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 2: the centrist Yeah, and it has this sort of sense 69 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 2: of religiosity around Trump that he's the chosen one, that 70 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 2: somehow he's indestructible, that however many times people come afterwards, 71 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 2: he bounces back, and you know, there is this tradition 72 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 2: in American politics of strong presidents and strong former presidents 73 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 2: being extremely popular with the American people, and the converse 74 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 2: is also true. The frail and those perceived to be 75 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 2: weak tend to get punished. I'm thinking in recent times, 76 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 2: as Jimmy Carter, I'm thinking in recent times or work 77 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 2: with Walker Bush. And of course that is the criticism 78 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 2: right now of Joe. 79 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: Biden and presumably then the convention this week in Milwaukee, 80 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: when he takes the stage to receive the nomination, he'll 81 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: be greeted as a hero. 82 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, he will be. And I think one of the 83 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 2: key points to make about the convention, I mean, there 84 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 2: are Republicans who have serious misgivings about Donald Trump. There 85 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 2: are many Republicans who wanted Nicky Haley. There are many 86 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 2: Republicans who are still deeply uneasy about his authoritarian tendencies, 87 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 2: and they have fears that, you know, American democracy really 88 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 2: isn't safe if he is returned to the white hat. 89 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 2: And it's going to be very difficult to make that 90 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 2: case in a voluble sense to raise your voice against 91 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 2: Trump in this moment, given that the party has just 92 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 2: rallied round him, and this kind of cult that Trump 93 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 2: has kind of created ever since he came down that 94 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 2: golden escalator in twenty fifteen, it's become even stronger as 95 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 2: a result of this failed assassination attempt. 96 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: What we were. Nick appreciates very much what we were 97 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 1: in a way. We didn't have confirmation. What we were 98 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 1: waiting for yesterday was a possible announcement around the VP. J. D. 99 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 1: Barnce seems to be the favorite along with Burgham. I 100 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 1: cannot understand the rationale behind Burgham. He doesn't even look 101 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 1: normal and Trump doesn't look normal. And say whatever you 102 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: want and call me superficial, but optics count, and you 103 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 1: can't have two exceedingly abnormal people looking people. I would 104 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: have thought Ring in America, there is a jersey wearer 105 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 1: like yourself. 106 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 2: You'd appreciate somebody like Bergham, who's often seen in a 107 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 2: sleeveless fleece. 108 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with the sleeveless fleece or indeed a 109 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: jersey Glynn, but you got to back it up with 110 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: a bit of you know, I don't know, brain power 111 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: in a normal looking face. For more from the Mic 112 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: Asking Breakfast, listen live to news talks. It'd be from 113 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: six am weekdays, or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.