1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,080 Speaker 1: First, any thing about Britain at the moment is we 2 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: had Rachel Reaves and we've talked about a number of 3 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: times on the program and the text cats were coming 4 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: in the budget and how many people were going to 5 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: dict tests and to what extent and how big was 6 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 1: the black hole and all that sort of stuff. Then 7 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: all of a sudden it was suggested over the weekend 8 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: that Chee's out, that no text coming. So anyway you thought, oh, 9 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:18,959 Speaker 1: well that's the big deal, that's the big problem for 10 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: the government. Then the next thing you know, you've got 11 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: ms Ma Mood announcing these extraordinary changes to asylum seekers. 12 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 2: A granted refugee status will last two and a half years, 13 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 2: not five. It will be renewed only if it is 14 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 2: impossible for a refugee to return home. Permanent settlement will 15 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 2: now come at twenty years, not five. I know this 16 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 2: country welcomes people who contribute, and for those who want 17 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 2: to stay and are willing and able to, we will 18 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 2: create a new work and study visa route solely for refugees, 19 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 2: with their quicker path to permanent settlement. To encourage refugees 20 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 2: into work, we will also consult on removing benefits for 21 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 2: those who are able to work but choose not to. 22 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: And Rod as well as Roderick. 23 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 3: Good morning, Good morning, Mike. 24 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: How did it? How did it come to this? It's 25 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,639 Speaker 1: sort of like they're finally woken up from some weird 26 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: slumber and thought, tell you what, we've got a problem here. 27 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 3: Well, it's part of the internal politics of the Labor 28 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 3: Party and none of this plays well for kids understanding 29 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 3: among the party. To Kamak Mood is the voice of 30 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 3: blue Baby in the cabinet and it's something which I 31 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 3: know Chaban has been thinking about for a very very 32 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 3: long time. And these are dramatic proposals, and they do 33 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 3: begin to edge towards the heart of the issue. How 34 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 3: do you deter people from coming You tell them they're 35 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 3: not going to stay it for very long. You tell 36 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 3: them they're going to be deported. There's a love devil 37 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 3: in the detail. So for example, we're going to check 38 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 3: everythink We're going to check every six months as to 39 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 3: whether or thirty months in the cases, whether kind it 40 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 3: is safe for people to go back to a lot 41 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 3: of a lot of the people doing the judging, the 42 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 3: Danes from whom all these policies are borrowed, are sending 43 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 3: people back to Syria saying it's what anymore, go on, 44 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:22,519 Speaker 3: go home? So id it hard to imagine that the 45 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 3: human rights lawyers will let that through over here. But nonetheless, 46 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 3: what she's done says has changed the ground on immigration 47 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 3: and change the ground on illegal immigration much Labour's favor. 48 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 3: But there will be all hell to pay on the 49 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 3: backbench is because, of course the backbend between Rid of 50 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 3: Sparta and this is more of exactly what they don't want, 51 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 3: and already hearing various empieces such as Natalie Whistle and 52 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 3: I think her name is I forget what she's an 53 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 3: idiot interdently, which is why I haven't removed the name 54 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 3: have done. She was clever with them who was already saying, 55 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 3: you know, this isn't what a labor government should be doing. 56 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,799 Speaker 3: We should be in everyone. I mean everyone's had me, 57 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:16,839 Speaker 3: which is the left wing view. So it's a remarkable 58 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 3: it's a remarkable change of trailed in the weekend's newspapers 59 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 3: and it does shove the ball back into the court 60 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 3: of forming a conservative party in the Conservative Party have 61 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 3: said they're going to work with Mood on Mood on this. 62 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, let's hope it helps. Does it also get 63 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: the budget thing off the front pages because what the 64 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: hell happened there? She was doing text cuts, text increases 65 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: and now she's not. 66 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, it gets off the front pages for a day 67 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 3: or two, but it'll be back. The truth is it 68 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 3: is like pin a tail on the donkey Mike. No 69 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 3: one has the remotest idea what's going to be in 70 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 3: this budget. And that's not past. The Chanceller is keeping 71 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 3: her cards close to her chest. It's because she hasn't 72 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 3: a clue what is in the budget? You know, it 73 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 3: really is that bad? Yes, for ages, we were told 74 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 3: to prepare ourselves for tax rising. It's income characterizes the 75 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 3: circumstances change. So we're going to make the manifesto raises 76 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 3: income tax and suddenly we will tell you income text. 77 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 3: There might be a kind of mention with and a 78 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 3: half points. So that's all of London basically it there's belief. 79 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 3: What she is going to do is create a budget 80 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 3: which again I suspect stcal's economic growth. Whatever past you 81 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 3: chooses to go down because she has been left herself 82 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 3: with no room blue. 83 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: No, you rise back to the business of the asylum takers, 84 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 1: so you raise the lawyers, and so the suggestion is 85 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: that there will be visa issues in some African countries 86 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: that they don't accept the people coming back and all 87 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: that sort of thing. If you can't get it past 88 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 1: a court, no matter how good your idea is, what 89 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: do you do, then. 90 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 3: It's nothing you can do. You have to ultimly reform that. 91 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 3: There's nothing in what Shabana said. Today's nothing in what 92 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 3: is today about reforming the court, and yet you need 93 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 3: those courts totally reformed. It's not it's not the European Convention. 94 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 3: You would write it to a problem even though you 95 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 3: know removing it. I'd be in favor of removing it. 96 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 3: But but that's not the central problem. The central problem 97 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,799 Speaker 3: is that these industries, that these immigration protominals are staff 98 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 3: try people who during their other hours are human rights 99 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 3: lawyers for refugees and always come down in favor of 100 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 3: the refugees. I don't know how you put into legal 101 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 3: practice what my mood has said, which is that in 102 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 3: future judges will be forced to prioritize British public interest 103 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 3: and in as safety concerns over those human rights of 104 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 3: I don't know how you codified that in law. 105 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, how you square that circle. Good to talk to 106 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: your rod. Pressure out at Rod A little out of Britain. 107 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 1: I do apologize that line. I don't think it was 108 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: particularly I don't think it was our best work as 109 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: far as lines are concerned, despite the fact that it 110 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: is twenty twenty five. Telegraph sales fallen over by the way, 111 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 1: if you're following that as well, there was a group 112 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: called Redbird Capital US. They've abandoned it, they've walked away. Basically, 113 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: they were looking to help them expand globally online, all 114 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. They were to become the sole 115 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 1: controlling owner. Paper was founded in eighteen fifty five, stymied 116 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: by the British government as well previously with rules around 117 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 1: foreigners owning British newspapers. The other thing that's sort of 118 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: weird that I read about over the weekend. They had 119 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: these rules in Britain where by your taxed more on 120 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: your beer the higher the alcohol content. So all that's 121 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: happened is that the producers of the mainstream beer have 122 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: lowered the alcohol. Now I've never seen this before. Is 123 00:06:57,600 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: this unusual? Is this weird? Or is this just me 124 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: not drinking a lot of so I know about you know, 125 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 1: specifically made low alcohol beer. I get that, or no 126 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: alcohol beer. I understand all of that. But this is 127 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: the standard beer that once upon a time had four 128 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: point seven four point eight percent alcohol. So that's what 129 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: you came to know and love because the tax came 130 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: and the same beer as being sold, but at three 131 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: point four this particular case was Foster's, which is made 132 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: by Herniken, so they reduced the alcohol content three point 133 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: four percent. They're still calling it Fosters. It's still the 134 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: so called same regular everyday beer that you would have 135 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: bought anyway, but it suddenly got three point four percent, 136 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: and by doing that, of course they save on tax 137 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: and therefore your pint is a little bit cheaper. Is 138 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: there a lot of that going on? Because they say 139 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: there's less even less reason to drink five. It's the 140 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: weirdest thing I've never seen. Maybe that's just unique to Britain. 141 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: For more from the Mi Casking Breakfast, listen live to 142 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: news talks that'd be from six am weekdays, or follow 143 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.