1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: In the second day of Philip Pokinghorn's trial has begun. 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: The former organdized surgeon is accused of murdering his wife, 3 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: Pauline Hannah, in April twenty twenty one, although his defense 4 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: claims she took her own life. So today the court 5 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: began to hear from those who first attended the scene 6 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 1: at the couple's remu were a home after Pokinghorn called 7 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:24,080 Speaker 1: one one one as saying his wife was dead. We 8 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: have Chelsea Daniels there covering the trial. She's with us now, Hello, 9 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: Chelsea him What was the focus of today's evidence. 10 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 2: Well, just like you said, we heard from those who 11 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 2: first attended this scene the couple's renue a home. It 12 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 2: painted a picture of what happened that morning, what poking 13 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 2: Horn told first responders, and what he says happened the 14 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 2: night before. The pair had a drink or two in 15 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 2: their upstairs library and she cook to dinner. They watched 16 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 2: a bit of Netflix together before going to bed around 17 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 2: ten pm. He got up early around seven forty five 18 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 2: to make breakfast. Tent and he used another stairwell to 19 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 2: get to the kitchen, the closest to the master bedroom 20 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 2: and sleeping in but After that, he went to go 21 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 2: upstairs via another staircase, and that's when he finds Hannah 22 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 2: plumped leaning forward in a chair with a belt around 23 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:15,839 Speaker 2: her neck. 24 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,839 Speaker 1: What was it in the court about Polkinghorn's demeanor that morning? 25 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 2: Well, Saint John's charamedic Hannah and Mathison was one of 26 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 2: the first ambulance members actually at the Upland Road scene. 27 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:31,479 Speaker 2: She told Barrister Brian Vicky as she was asking him 28 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,479 Speaker 2: questions about that morning's event, he seemed calm. 29 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 3: Did he say anything about the patient that he knew 30 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 3: that she was dead our end? 31 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, that she was his wife. 32 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 3: How did he appear at this time when you were 33 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 3: speaking with. 34 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 5: Him fasionably calm, wasn't crying, didn't seem distressed, was answering 35 00:01:53,960 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 5: our questions appropriately? Yeah, gave full name and date of birth, 36 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 5: said that the patient had depression, but was unaware of 37 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 5: the names of any medications that the patient took. 38 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 3: Did the patient had depression that he did he just 39 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 3: say just that or did he say more than that 40 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 3: to describe? 41 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 5: But I can only recall him saying that, So. 42 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 2: I should say that other officers and those attending that morning, 43 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 2: some say he was calm, Some say he was wailing 44 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 2: and crying. A defense lawyer Ron Mansfield told the court 45 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 2: that Madison must deal with all kinds of states of 46 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 2: emotion in her line of work. 47 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 3: And I would have thought there's no ideal or standard 48 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:47,839 Speaker 3: presentation of somebody. Would that be right? 49 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 4: That is correct? 50 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:50,799 Speaker 5: Everyone responds differently. 51 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 3: Some people are broken down and can hardly speak, can 52 00:02:55,680 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 3: hardly move as one extreme. Yes, and then some people 53 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 3: are composed trying to deal with the situation and try 54 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 3: to ensure that they provide you with as much help 55 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 3: as they can. 56 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: Yes, all right, Chelsea. Well, the responders also spoke about 57 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:17,440 Speaker 1: some kind of wound on Pip poking Horn's head. Is 58 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: that right? 59 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, So this was something that was alluded to yesterday 60 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 2: in the Crown's hours long opening. It seems like paramedics 61 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 2: and police officers at the scene all agree they saw 62 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 2: kind of that cut, a graze or something in the 63 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 2: middle of his forehead. Here's Constable Andrew Robbins, like. 64 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 4: Pretty much right in the center of his forehead. How 65 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 4: would you describe it? Ah, It's probably about maybe no 66 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 4: bigger than the size of a golf ball in terms 67 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:49,119 Speaker 4: of the diameter, and it was more like a graze. 68 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 4: It didn't like as if you know, you'd bang your 69 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 4: head on concrete or something, didn't look like a deep 70 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 4: cut or anything. 71 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: Chelsea did because we will say anything else, because he 72 00:03:58,000 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: was the one who got poking Horn's first state. 73 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,839 Speaker 2: Yes, so he was in that statement, which took about 74 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 2: forty odd minutes to take. He explained the events of 75 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 2: the night before and that morning he had mentioned that 76 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 2: Hannah had his history of depression. She was taking antidepression. 77 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 4: Pauline has been on and off depressed for several years. 78 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 4: She takes some antidepressant medication. I'm not sure what it's called. 79 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 4: She has been taking it for several years. I'm not 80 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 4: sure she still has been taking it recently. She has 81 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 4: also suffered from bolimia about five years ago. She has 82 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 4: been taking weight reduction medication. Also. Pauline has been exhausted 83 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 4: in recent times. This has been mainly from working such 84 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 4: long hours. 85 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 2: After tulking Horn finished giving his statement, he read each 86 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 2: page and he signed them a comfortable Roland then handed 87 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 2: the signs document over to his sergeant, Chris. 88 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 4: Duillian gave him all the papers, and at that point 89 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 4: Sergeant Chris had written on his hand the number one 90 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 4: in the letter C and he showed it to me, 91 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 4: which is basically police code for suspicious circumstances. 92 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 2: So by late morning, before Polkinghorn's statement was finished, officers 93 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 2: were treating this scene as suspicious. We'll be hearing more 94 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 2: from the crown witnesses tomorrow as well. 95 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: And indeed, just a little while ago in the court 96 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: we heard a bit more detail about Pauline Hannah's body 97 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 1: and the injuries she had. 98 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, so the detective Comfortable Book Everson, gave evidence this afternoon. 99 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 2: She was in charge of Hannah's body. She was found 100 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 2: on the ground covered with a dou vet with a 101 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 2: pillow under her hand, lying on her back. She was 102 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 2: wearing a white dressing down tied with a knot at 103 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 2: the waist. It's kind of like a rogue waistband. Her 104 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 2: head was tilted to the left, and there was obvious 105 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 2: markings on her neck about three centimeters and whip in 106 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 2: a cliff cross kind of pattern on the right side 107 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 2: of the front of her neck. There was a cut 108 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 2: on the left side of the bridge of her nose. 109 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 2: It was fresh, not scabbed over, she said, and there 110 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 2: was blood coming from her left to ear. There was 111 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 2: some bruising on her inner right side and on her 112 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 2: left hand. There was blood between her four and middle fingers, 113 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 2: but that didn't appear to be a cat. It was 114 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 2: just blood, so we'll hear more about that tomorrow. 115 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: Chelsea Daniels, thank you so much. Chelsea is in courtant 116 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: for more coverage from Chelsea on the strial, you can 117 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: listen to the podcast it's called Accused the Poking Horn Trial. 118 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: It's on iHeartRadio or wherever you get your podcast. 119 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 2: News Talk Sibby. 120 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 3: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to 121 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 3: News Talk sid By from four pm weekdays, or follow 122 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 3: the podcast on iHeartRadio