1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 1: The government will spend a million send a million dollars 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: rather to the United Nations Relief and Works Agency in 3 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: Gaza in the coming days. Our annual donation was put 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 1: on hold. You may recall after several several UN employees 5 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: were accused by Israel of participating in Hamas's attacks in October. 6 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:16,920 Speaker 1: The UN has investigated found no evidence to back those 7 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: claims up. Former Prime Minister and former head of the 8 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: UN Development Agency Helen Clark is with us now Alan 9 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 1: hi Ver have before we get into this on Direction 10 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: ninety nine are now replaced by Direction one one zero. 11 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: Is there anything we can do to stop these deporties coming. 12 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 2: Well, I think it's really outrageousness. I mean, there was 13 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 2: an agreement that those who had really spent the substantial 14 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 2: part of their lives in Australia and to all intensive 15 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 2: purposes for Australia and shouldn't be deported here. And it 16 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 2: looks like political panics overturned that. I did hear Chris 17 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 2: Laxon earlier in the day saying that they had registered 18 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 2: our concern as a country with this training government. This 19 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 2: is all politics, you know, they're running up to a 20 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 2: selection as a person the next year or so. And 21 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 2: it's easy to beat upon people with the Zealand citizenship 22 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 2: born here who've committed her crime. But to all intensive purposes, 23 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 2: Australia has raised these people. Yeah, so I think it's right. 24 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: But I mean it's been suggested that maybe what we 25 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 1: should do is revoke their citizenship. They would be left 26 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: therefore with none. Is that even possible? 27 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 2: Well, here's where I think international law comes in that, 28 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:34,759 Speaker 2: or even our own law, that to take away citizenship 29 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 2: when people don't have an alternative citizenship is quite a 30 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 2: big issue. Remember you and I have discussed this with 31 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 2: respect to that young woman who was groomed and recruited 32 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 2: by ISIS and the British government revoked her citizenship and 33 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 2: said she's entitled the Bangladesh citizenship. Now the Bank I 34 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 2: think said she wasn't. But she's in effect being left 35 00:01:56,440 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 2: to stateless person. So we revoked the citizenship of these 36 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 2: people they want to deport. The Aussies aren't going to 37 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 2: give them sortizanship, so we make them stateless people. And 38 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 2: I think there's probably some international convention that we're Party 39 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 2: two that wouldn't permit that. 40 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: Probably it sounds like there would be Hey, on UNRA. 41 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: Does it sound to you like Israel just never ponied 42 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: up the evidence to back up their claims. 43 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 2: That's right, mere the whole organization, but then when asked, 44 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 2: persistently asked to give evidence and never fronted up with it. 45 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,239 Speaker 2: So there was this inquiry conducted by a former French 46 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 2: foreign minister for the Secretary General. She drew on expert 47 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 2: research institutes and other institutes in the Scandinavian countries. They 48 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 2: actually said that had better procedures to ensure political neutriality 49 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 2: than any other UN organization or the NGOs they could find. 50 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:55,519 Speaker 2: So they had to conclude israel case completely unproven and 51 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 2: they never provided any evidence. 52 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so as a result, can we have confidence 53 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: that they are completely independent from hummus? 54 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 2: Well, what I've said before employee to you, and we've 55 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 2: discussed it is Look, every big barrel of apples will 56 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 2: have a bad one somewhere, but to smear a whole 57 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 2: organization through the actions of a very few people is 58 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 2: quite wrong. And the inquiry found that they do go 59 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:25,959 Speaker 2: to great lengths to ensure the staff, athletics and neutral 60 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 2: They also every year in Israel lists of their employees 61 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 2: for vetting and get this, Heather, Israel has not expressed 62 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 2: concern about any of the employees in twenty eleven, and 63 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 2: those lists have gone to it interesting. 64 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: Hey Helen, thank you as always, really appreciate your time. 65 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: That's Helen Clark, former Prime ministand former UN Development Agency head. 66 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 2: For more from Heather Duplessy Alan Drive, listen live to 67 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 2: news talks. 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