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Speaker 2: Hello are you great, New Zealanders. It is a nice

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Speaker 2: round number coming into you today. It is Matt and

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Speaker 2: Tyler Full Show pocast number two twenty for the thirteenth

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Speaker 2: of October. It's a Monday. Oh my gosh, it's my

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Speaker 3: Hi, happy birthday. I have to text and Louise, you've

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Speaker 3: still got time, You've still got time.

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Speaker 2: Happy birthday, big sis, Happy birthday. I just noticed it

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Speaker 2: was October the thirteenth a year.

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Speaker 3: Go good Save, Yeah, great Save.

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Speaker 2: Incredible show. Hopefully we're involved in some great saves. We've

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Speaker 2: heard some incredible stories of people being scammed later in

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Speaker 2: the show, like I can't. It's just so shocking, and

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Speaker 2: you know how people can fall for these scams, but

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Speaker 2: you can. It seems so gullible in retrospect, but you know,

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Speaker 2: and they know as much as you do afterwards, how

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Speaker 2: gullible it is. Anyway, it's a great cheat.

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Speaker 2: And give him a taste of key Where you seem busy,

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Speaker 2: I'll let you enjoy the pot all right, then we

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Speaker 1: Stories, the issues, the big trends and everything in between.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News Talk.

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Speaker 3: Said, be well, good day to you, welcome into Monday afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Really good to have your company as always. Hope you're

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Speaker 3: doing well.

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Speaker 2: How you doing, Matt, I'm doing fantastic. Thank you where

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Speaker 2: you are, whoever you are. Thanks for tuning into our show.

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Speaker 2: You great New Zealand. We've got a lot coming up

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Speaker 2: in the next three hours.

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Speaker 3: Got a doozy for you back. Yeah, it's a big show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a huge I was in Hawk's Bay for

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Speaker 2: the Hawks Bay Readers and Writers Fist for what a

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Speaker 2: fantastic event there was a had have great time, great organizers,

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Speaker 2: love Hawks Bay, beautiful hanging around Hastings nice, very very

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: I was in what do you call it a speech? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think of speech and event on stage with a

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Speaker 2: who was he was elected to to because he counsel

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Speaker 2: you know, and just before we went on stage, and

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Speaker 2: also a guy called Harry everall that you heard on

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Speaker 2: But anyway, when I was on stage, I said something

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Speaker 2: have been misconstrued. Okay, So I said, I was talking

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Speaker 2: right yep. And I said mums and dogs they're very similar.

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Speaker 2: that point. And this seems like a small thing, but

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So what I meant though when I said mums

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Speaker 3: It as a doozy after three o'clock. In China, the

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Speaker 2: I mean, the Chinese Communist Party is a horrific dictatorship

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Speaker 3: This is what happens with the research. I mean, there's

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Speaker 2: The Cyberspace Administration of China said, we all experience fatigue

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Speaker 2: But cynicism needs to be pointed out. I think, and

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Speaker 3: Yep, a lot of that online.

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Speaker 2: So let's talk about that as New Zealand becoming too

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Speaker 3: Looking forward to that after three o'clock. After two o'clock,

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Speaker 2: And you know, out of all the scams, these romance

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Speaker 2: And to be betrayed and humiliated by someone that you

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Speaker 3: We're really keen on those stories. It must have worked

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Speaker 3: it stood on Saturday, just thirty two percent voted across

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Speaker 3: far above that at twenty two percent. The councils that

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Speaker 2: So that's the best. So less than fifty percent, we'll

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Speaker 2: start celebrating forty five percent. It should be ninety percent,

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Really, I mean, you know, the amout we talk about it.

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Speaker 2: Twenty one percent in Auckland. That is absolutely shocking. But

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Speaker 2: the question is whose fault is it? So? Whose fault

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Speaker 2: Is it the candidate's fault for not being interesting enough?

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Speaker 3: Yep, is a lot of that.

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Speaker 2: Is it a previous council's fault for people losing heart

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Speaker 2: and not wanting to vote because nothing seems to change

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Speaker 2: whether you vote or not, or is it us individually

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Speaker 3: A personal responsibility?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, is it the is a fault. But how do

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Speaker 2: you change that? Because every single thing they've done right,

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Speaker 2: So the more active they've been in to get in

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Speaker 2: getting people fault vote, that punishing orange guy, jumping around,

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Speaker 2: whatever they do, it doesn't it doesn't help.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's going downs, going down each time. So

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Speaker 3: now we're at in Auckland twenty one percent. Where do

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Speaker 3: you go from there for the next time? Does it

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Speaker 3: go down to fifteen percent? So really get to hear

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Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty Whose fault is it that we've had

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Speaker 3: such abysmal voter turnout? It's nine to ninety two is

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Speaker 2: You might agree with Andrew, who's just kicks it through.

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Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with the low turnout. If people don't care,

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Speaker 2: what is the point of them voting? In reality, even

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Speaker 3: If you agree with Andrew. I love to have a

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Speaker 3: All right, brace yourself for this at sixteen past one.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 3: Very good afternoons you It is eighteen pass one, so

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Speaker 2: When am I going to make my shameful admission?

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Speaker 3: I think you've got to do that. Now let it

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Speaker 2: And after doing an entire show on this on this

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And then I was very busy down there. I

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Speaker 2: You go, This text has just come through, Matt Heath.

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Speaker 2: Don't criticize your council, don't use council facilities and don't

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of people who found put out their rubbish.

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Speaker 2: Seventy nine per That'd be a catastrophe of seventy nine

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Speaker 3: But after a fan fantastic rant from you on that

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Speaker 8: Do the right thing here and then all along I'm

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Speaker 3: It's about harsh, Pam.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 4: Hi.

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Speaker 9: It should be compulsory to vote in local body and

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Speaker 9: national election because everybody's very quick to tech a wobbley

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Speaker 9: That's always out there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that people like people like me, Pam, But wow,

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Speaker 10: You See.

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Speaker 2: The question for the s is whose fault is it

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Speaker 2: the fault is completely on me.

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Speaker 3: You're taking one hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: I'm taking one hundred percent. I'm understing my focus because

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Speaker 2: I just didn't. I just I just didn't do it.

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Speaker 2: So in my case, and that might not be the

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Speaker 9: Okay, Well, if you want to put a blame pepper

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Speaker 3: Yep, what else think along those keeping?

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Speaker 2: Laziness? It's got to be into it, yes, laziness, disorganization.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, well there's no excuse, we're all busy, peep.

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Speaker 11: Doesn't matter what ah you are?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's it's and it's the importance you put on something,

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Speaker 2: isn't it, Pam? So you say you're too busy to

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Speaker 2: you know? Not you, Pam, I'm talking about the royal youth.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but you're the.

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Speaker 9: First to criticize a if you are a homeowner, how

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Speaker 3: Rubber now now, Pam.

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Speaker 2: The pushback that is always on the compulsory voting thing

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Speaker 9: Well, it's attached to it. It's like anything. There are unemployable,

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Speaker 12: Matt.

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Speaker 3: There's a good good on you. But I think there

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Speaker 2: But the fact of the matter is it's boring as all. Well,

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Speaker 3: Yep, I'm getting it charged up. Take it. Takes five

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Speaker 2: Taylor released the taser. Taylor, Taser, Matt, Matt needs to

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Speaker 2: be tasered. Taser. Hem, Wow, a lot of people want

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Speaker 3: We need to buy one.

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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe if I got tasered, I could forgive myself.

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Speaker 3: We'll put that on the list for the boss to

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Speaker 1: Start your day entity, It's the make asking breakfast.

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Speaker 13: Time was irresponsible in offering those sort of odds or suggesting,

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Speaker 3: Z B Afternoon. So a bismall voter turnout for the

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Speaker 3: local body elections. Whose fault is it loved? To hear

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Speaker 2: Other people are not happy with me? At too much

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Speaker 2: time eating buddy Kiwi fruit? How many postboxes did you

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Speaker 3: He's not wrong.

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Speaker 2: The newsflash, man who works twenty hours a week doesn't

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show. Whose fault is it that we're

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Speaker 6: My personal viewers, we're using a archaic voting system. Yes,

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Speaker 6: so the guy has spoke to Fierst, tell me a

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Speaker 6: Have you voted, and I will get it.

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Speaker 5: We'll get to it.

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Speaker 6: I can enroll, I can apply for a mortgage. I

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Speaker 12: System for us?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Every year, the first day after the elections, every time,

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Speaker 2: It's interesting because they say that, you know, as it

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Speaker 2: And what was the reason given why they they're not

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Speaker 3: There were There were a couple of elements there, so

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Speaker 2: More expensive than sending out trillions of letters and setting.

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Speaker 3: So those two elements saying that it sounds good on paper,

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Speaker 6: So but my arguments that would be twenty one percent

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Speaker 2: Exactly. You can't get much more of a disaster. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So when you when you voted because you're a

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Speaker 2: better person than me, Gavin, and you and you managed

436
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Speaker 2: to vote in, good on you.

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Speaker 6: But you shouldn't you shouldn't hit yourself on that because

438
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Speaker 6: I'd say, the people filled out their paper and it's

439
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Speaker 6: sitting on their kitchen bench.

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Speaker 2: I filled out my paper. Yeah that's what I got close.

441
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Speaker 2: So he did the work he did.

442
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Speaker 7: You did.

443
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Speaker 1: You were in there.

444
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Speaker 2: I read all the punishing blurbs, even Gavin.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I know, and I know dozens of people that

446
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Speaker 6: will have left. There will be lovely orange sitting on

447
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Speaker 6: the hall way table.

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Speaker 2: It was a It was with a great sense of shame.

449
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Speaker 2: I took the fridge magnet off it beautiful Dunedin fridge magnet, lovely,

450
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Speaker 2: and took my I filled out and put it in

451
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Speaker 2: the rubbits. She didn't say that, but but yeah, the

452
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Speaker 2: thing is, Gavin, up, we do real me as you

453
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Speaker 2: say online? You know, you know I ordered a new

454
00:21:16,333 --> 00:21:18,893
Speaker 2: license online the other day because I lost my driver's license.

455
00:21:19,373 --> 00:21:20,733
Speaker 2: I've done passports on that.

456
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Speaker 6: It took me five minutes to get a new past

457
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Speaker 6: that I can use anywhere in the world. Yeah, you

458
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Speaker 6: know I can't vote in the local counselor.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for your call, Gavin.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's worth the shot, isn't it. I mean

461
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Speaker 3: I gave the reasons there that our head of the

462
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Speaker 3: local government New Zealand gave us when we chatted to them.

463
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Speaker 3: But I generally think it would make a lot easier

464
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Speaker 3: for people to do online voting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this textas says, sorry guy, as a taser is

466
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Speaker 2: a restricted weapon. Would it kill Tyler to plug me

467
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Speaker 2: into a light socket? We can part do and that

468
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Speaker 2: we've got plenty.

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Speaker 3: Of those in the studio. We're absolutely look into that,

470
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Speaker 3: right keen to get your views. O eight hundred and

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Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty. Who's our fault is the low voter turnout?

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Speaker 3: What I reckon? It's twenty nine to two.

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Speaker 1: Hu's talk said.

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Speaker 15: The headlines with Blue Bubble taxis it's no trouble with

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Speaker 15: garzans are beginning the trek home to neighborhoods reduced to

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Speaker 15: dust as the ceasefire takes effect, with AID trucks starting

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Speaker 15: to enter the strip. The Prime Minister's satisfied cutting are

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Speaker 15: twenty twenty five methane targets between twenty four and forty

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Speaker 15: seven percent lower than previous targets. Strikes the right balance.

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Speaker 15: A house has some fire damage on the West coast

483
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Speaker 15: Kadamea after it burst into flames when it was hit

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Speaker 15: by lightning around midday. Police are asking people to report

485
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Speaker 15: any information over the death of a Hastings man injured

486
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Speaker 15: when his head hit the ground during an altercation at

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Speaker 15: a Mahora property on Saturday. The total NZI educators striking

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Speaker 15: this month has risen to more than forty thousand. Around

489
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Speaker 15: a thirteen hundred area school teachers will walk off the

490
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Speaker 15: job on October twenty three. It's alongside health workers, nurses

491
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Speaker 15: and other teachers. Christchurch developer William's Corporation plans partial incdex

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Speaker 15: All premium back to matt Ethan Tyler Adam.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: Ray Leang It's interesting and potentially telling how unfashionable the

496
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Speaker 2: word ceasefire has become in recent times. After being very

497
00:23:24,133 --> 00:23:26,813
Speaker 2: very popular for a long time. Yeap changed fast, so

498
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Speaker 2: terrible turnout in the local body elections as low as

499
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Speaker 2: twenty one percent in some places. I'm looking at you, Auckland. Yeah, shame,

500
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Speaker 2: whose faults at Sandra, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 16: Hello, thank you.

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Speaker 14: So I would just like to say that to night

503
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Speaker 14: you're are that anger tik? We hit forty nine point

504
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Speaker 14: eleven percent.

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Speaker 2: Well, i'll tell you what. That is a lot better

506
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Speaker 2: than Auckland.

507
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but.

508
00:23:54,053 --> 00:23:55,973
Speaker 2: Is it not quite fifty percent?

509
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Speaker 14: So we're in an interesting fifty percent. But we did

510
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Speaker 14: better than other years.

511
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, But we're kind of in a in a weird

512
00:24:03,733 --> 00:24:06,173
Speaker 2: position now where we're celebrating you for getting up to

513
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Speaker 2: nearly fifty percent. We'd hope I love in a world

514
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Speaker 2: where it was eighty ninety percent, wouldn't we Yes.

515
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Speaker 14: That would have been quite nice and in your area.

516
00:24:14,293 --> 00:24:16,532
Speaker 2: In your area, I understand quite a few of these

517
00:24:16,613 --> 00:24:17,293
Speaker 2: votes went to you.

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Speaker 14: Yes, I was the last time fifth on the list,

519
00:24:21,933 --> 00:24:22,573
Speaker 14: but I got.

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Speaker 3: In, so wow, congratulations, thank you.

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Speaker 14: I also run a local community Facebook group for my area.

522
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Speaker 14: We've got about eight thousand people, and we still did

523
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Speaker 14: have people spec the older ones who went we had

524
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Speaker 14: an elections I didn't know and the rest of us

525
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Speaker 14: hattle we tackle because for me personally, I did a

526
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Speaker 14: come meet to me for a coffee nearly weekly throughout

527
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Speaker 14: the whole campaign. I did meet the candidates. I got

528
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Speaker 14: talked into putting billboards of my face up around town.

529
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Speaker 14: I wrote letters to the paper. I didn't do flyers

530
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Speaker 14: because everybody hates those, and I'm not sure personally what

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Speaker 14: more I could have done. I went to a little

532
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Speaker 14: town that we have called Hunterble. I exercised that I

533
00:25:05,613 --> 00:25:07,973
Speaker 14: was going down there. I spent four hours just literally

534
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Speaker 14: walking around, just talking to people, going into the shops,

535
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Speaker 14: just talking people on the street.

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Speaker 16: Did it did it cost you more I could have done?

537
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Speaker 2: Did it cost you a lot? Was it was it

538
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Speaker 2: expensive to go through all that, Sandra?

539
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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 14: For me, no'm I did the We have a little

541
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Speaker 14: local newspaper and I did one which costs you about

542
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Speaker 14: one hundred and thirty three dollars. The billboards cost me

543
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Speaker 14: about I think it was about three fifty, so, not

544
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Speaker 14: including petrol, coffee and the brand new bra so I

545
00:25:36,653 --> 00:25:37,053
Speaker 14: looked good.

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Speaker 2: Three hundred and fifty thousand.

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Speaker 14: No, no, it's trundred and fifty dollars.

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, that's a good deal, right he's an American

549
00:25:44,933 --> 00:25:46,173
Speaker 3: numbers Yeah.

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Speaker 14: Sorry, yes, so not not including as to say, the

551
00:25:48,293 --> 00:25:50,453
Speaker 14: coffee and the petrol in the bra. My costs were

552
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Speaker 14: under five hundred dollars and the bra. Did you say, yeah,

553
00:25:54,333 --> 00:25:55,053
Speaker 14: it's got to look good?

554
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, enough, you're smart.

555
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Speaker 14: I'm not quite sure if I can time there is

556
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Speaker 14: an expense give it a good yeah.

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Speaker 2: So, so do you think that that it's behoven on

558
00:26:05,053 --> 00:26:07,693
Speaker 2: the candidates to put the work in that you did,

559
00:26:07,893 --> 00:26:11,693
Speaker 2: to let people know what you stand for and you

560
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Speaker 2: know that you exist.

561
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Speaker 14: I think it does go both ways. I know how

562
00:26:17,333 --> 00:26:20,133
Speaker 14: hard I really put myself out there. I really really tried.

563
00:26:20,893 --> 00:26:22,893
Speaker 14: I do think it goes both ways. That people do

564
00:26:23,053 --> 00:26:26,573
Speaker 14: need to go and find where the candidates are and

565
00:26:26,773 --> 00:26:29,173
Speaker 14: go and talk and ask and go to candidate meetings.

566
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Speaker 14: But I do think electronics would be good. I do

567
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Speaker 14: think that more people probably would vote if we could

568
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Speaker 14: have it electronically. Our counsel how Tom's guy, He threatened

569
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Speaker 14: on social media. He threatened to sing if the votes

570
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Speaker 14: didn't go up, and that's what he did. He got

571
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Speaker 14: a loud speaker and he walked around the area with

572
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Speaker 14: one of the orange bins with a loudspeaker of him

573
00:26:52,333 --> 00:26:56,373
Speaker 14: singing so that people would put their ones in. So

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Speaker 14: but he also drove around the area to pick up votes.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like you are passionate about your area, right,

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00:27:05,733 --> 00:27:10,693
Speaker 2: And is that sometimes the case in smaller areas that

577
00:27:10,853 --> 00:27:14,653
Speaker 2: people are more passionate, because I think in Auckland, for example,

578
00:27:15,093 --> 00:27:18,693
Speaker 2: I'm not sure how people necessarily view the community. You know,

579
00:27:18,933 --> 00:27:21,093
Speaker 2: you can see real things in your community and talk

580
00:27:21,173 --> 00:27:23,253
Speaker 2: to talk to individuals and such.

581
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Speaker 14: Yes, I so we have wards and I was central Ward,

582
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Speaker 14: which is only a certain part of the ding A Tiqui.

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Speaker 14: And so but I really did try. I really did

584
00:27:35,453 --> 00:27:38,693
Speaker 14: put myself out there. And so for the people who

585
00:27:38,773 --> 00:27:40,373
Speaker 14: were sort of like, I don't know who to vote for.

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00:27:40,973 --> 00:27:41,853
Speaker 14: I was there every week.

587
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Speaker 16: I advertised every week, this is where I'll be at

588
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Speaker 16: this coffee shop.

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00:27:44,733 --> 00:27:47,133
Speaker 14: Come and talk to me. I did funny pictures on

590
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Speaker 14: my social media just for attention, come and meet me

591
00:27:50,573 --> 00:27:53,653
Speaker 14: sort of thing. I was number half things like that.

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Speaker 2: Have you You obviously don't mind talking to people about it.

593
00:27:57,093 --> 00:27:58,373
Speaker 2: I was hanging out with the guy on the weekend

594
00:27:58,413 --> 00:28:01,213
Speaker 2: who got not nominated. I'm not nominated, got elected to council,

595
00:28:01,333 --> 00:28:04,653
Speaker 2: and instantly I congratulated him. I was shaking his hand, congratulations,

596
00:28:04,693 --> 00:28:06,733
Speaker 2: and then someone wandered up and started giving him crap

597
00:28:06,733 --> 00:28:11,053
Speaker 2: about the state of people's head and burns like that,

598
00:28:11,293 --> 00:28:15,173
Speaker 2: like like five seconds after I was congratulating them, and

599
00:28:15,293 --> 00:28:19,773
Speaker 2: I thought, boy, you're it's it's a thankless task in

600
00:28:19,813 --> 00:28:23,613
Speaker 2: a way, because you become the frontline of everyone's little grievance.

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Speaker 14: I already had that before I got in. I got

602
00:28:28,813 --> 00:28:31,533
Speaker 14: that well running. I had stuff like that well running.

603
00:28:31,613 --> 00:28:34,933
Speaker 14: So yeah, but you know that's going to happen.

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Speaker 16: That is part of it.

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Speaker 14: Yeah.

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00:28:36,613 --> 00:28:36,813
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 14: But I really do want to make a difference in

608
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Speaker 14: my area, and I'm really exmissed to doing so. But

609
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Speaker 14: I do think that having electronics would be quite good

610
00:28:46,893 --> 00:28:49,133
Speaker 14: for elder people, for people who can't get into a

611
00:28:49,213 --> 00:28:52,013
Speaker 14: library or can't get into places. It could be harder,

612
00:28:52,093 --> 00:28:55,093
Speaker 14: but I know how much my area really tried hard

613
00:28:55,133 --> 00:28:55,773
Speaker 14: to get votes.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for your call, CenTra and congratulations.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good on you. You sound like a great vote

616
00:29:01,013 --> 00:29:03,293
Speaker 3: for Ranger. Take which is a great place. Yeah, let's

617
00:29:03,293 --> 00:29:04,973
Speaker 3: go to Alex get a Alex. How you doing.

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Speaker 4: Hey, guys, it's good to hear conversation today.

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Speaker 2: Thank you and good to talk to you.

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Speaker 4: I just want to say that if I had been

621
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Speaker 4: in Sandra's area, I would have voted for Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was impressed by enthusiastic. To be fair, I've

623
00:29:21,373 --> 00:29:23,533
Speaker 2: got no idea what she stands for. She might be

624
00:29:23,813 --> 00:29:25,893
Speaker 2: against everything I believe in, but as a person she

625
00:29:25,933 --> 00:29:26,653
Speaker 2: seemed fantastic.

626
00:29:26,773 --> 00:29:27,533
Speaker 3: Like the kind of your jib.

627
00:29:28,693 --> 00:29:32,053
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, look, the thing that I hear from

628
00:29:32,093 --> 00:29:35,013
Speaker 4: her is she was prepared to get out and engage

629
00:29:35,053 --> 00:29:39,533
Speaker 4: with the community that she's asking people to vote for her.

630
00:29:39,613 --> 00:29:42,493
Speaker 4: And I mean I live in I live in Orkland

631
00:29:42,533 --> 00:29:46,133
Speaker 4: for over forty post years and you know, every of

632
00:29:46,253 --> 00:29:48,933
Speaker 4: it three or four years when local body council elections

633
00:29:49,013 --> 00:29:51,613
Speaker 4: come up. One of the problems that I perceive is

634
00:29:51,813 --> 00:29:54,853
Speaker 4: that people got billboards all over the place with their

635
00:29:54,893 --> 00:29:57,573
Speaker 4: pictures and their names, and people are being asked to

636
00:29:57,613 --> 00:29:59,693
Speaker 4: vote for someone or they've got no clue that you

637
00:29:59,773 --> 00:30:02,333
Speaker 4: know what their person's about, what they do. It's just

638
00:30:02,413 --> 00:30:05,693
Speaker 4: a name and a picture, you know. I mean, I

639
00:30:05,973 --> 00:30:12,173
Speaker 4: vote for for Wayne Brown, mainly because he was the

640
00:30:12,253 --> 00:30:15,213
Speaker 4: only candidate that I really sort of knew anything about,

641
00:30:16,173 --> 00:30:18,413
Speaker 4: and you know, I felt that he's been doing a

642
00:30:18,493 --> 00:30:21,253
Speaker 4: reasonably good job. He's not perfect, but I mean, you know,

643
00:30:22,013 --> 00:30:23,613
Speaker 4: the others were just total strangers.

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00:30:23,933 --> 00:30:26,653
Speaker 2: There was a fella, Alex who posted a picture of

645
00:30:26,693 --> 00:30:30,933
Speaker 2: himself in a fedorra all over town, so everywhere you looked,

646
00:30:30,933 --> 00:30:32,893
Speaker 2: there was his posters. He must have spent a good

647
00:30:33,133 --> 00:30:35,933
Speaker 2: whack of cash on just pictures himself, but it was

648
00:30:36,093 --> 00:30:40,093
Speaker 2: just his face took up the whole poster in multiple colors,

649
00:30:40,533 --> 00:30:43,973
Speaker 2: lining up every in a hat. And I, you know,

650
00:30:44,053 --> 00:30:47,013
Speaker 2: I should have investigated what he stood for, but it

651
00:30:47,133 --> 00:30:49,253
Speaker 2: was just seemed to be a Fedora based campaign. It

652
00:30:49,333 --> 00:30:53,733
Speaker 2: was just his face, and you know, I need to

653
00:30:53,773 --> 00:30:55,573
Speaker 2: know a bit more about him. But that's kind of

654
00:30:55,613 --> 00:30:58,133
Speaker 2: on me, isn't it. Because I just saw him, didn't

655
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Speaker 2: like his hat, and that was it for me.

656
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Speaker 3: You were interested in the Fedora, you needed more?

657
00:31:03,093 --> 00:31:06,293
Speaker 4: Yeah, look, I'm like you, though. I filled out my

658
00:31:06,453 --> 00:31:10,333
Speaker 4: form weeks in advance and it almost never got posted.

659
00:31:10,493 --> 00:31:12,973
Speaker 4: I actually dropped it off at my supermarket, but it's

660
00:31:12,973 --> 00:31:15,853
Speaker 4: out in my car, in my glove box. But yeah,

661
00:31:16,093 --> 00:31:18,053
Speaker 4: I guess the thing that I'm thinking about is that,

662
00:31:18,253 --> 00:31:22,053
Speaker 4: you know, I live in Pakerga and if people who

663
00:31:22,533 --> 00:31:24,933
Speaker 4: you know were asking me to vote for them, if

664
00:31:24,973 --> 00:31:28,533
Speaker 4: there was an opportunity perhaps to meet people publicly where

665
00:31:28,573 --> 00:31:31,853
Speaker 4: that you could hear them speak, you know, I think

666
00:31:32,013 --> 00:31:34,373
Speaker 4: there's a lot more credence than just seeing a picture

667
00:31:34,413 --> 00:31:37,693
Speaker 4: on the on the side with your name saying vote

668
00:31:37,733 --> 00:31:41,493
Speaker 4: for me. So, I mean, the problem we have here

669
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Speaker 4: is that people are not choosing to engage for whatever reason.

670
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Speaker 17: You know.

671
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Speaker 4: And I think if if candidates were in my mind,

672
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Speaker 4: it's just like that lady that just spoke with Susan

673
00:31:53,613 --> 00:31:57,773
Speaker 4: or Sandra. She got out and she actively, you know,

674
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Speaker 4: did things, and she didn't just rely on a picture

675
00:32:00,773 --> 00:32:02,493
Speaker 4: back on a you know, with a picture.

676
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Speaker 2: It's a little bit easier in a small town New

677
00:32:05,813 --> 00:32:07,013
Speaker 2: Zealand as opposed to.

678
00:32:07,613 --> 00:32:09,373
Speaker 4: You still in a small town.

679
00:32:09,413 --> 00:32:11,573
Speaker 2: I mean, if you went down on to Queen Street

680
00:32:11,573 --> 00:32:17,773
Speaker 2: and Auckland and started just campaigning at people wouldn't go

681
00:32:17,853 --> 00:32:19,653
Speaker 2: down so well, I don't. I just don't know how

682
00:32:19,693 --> 00:32:20,573
Speaker 2: far you I mean.

683
00:32:20,893 --> 00:32:22,973
Speaker 4: But if what I'm saying is that there was a

684
00:32:23,053 --> 00:32:26,613
Speaker 4: place where you know, people could go and see potential

685
00:32:26,693 --> 00:32:30,373
Speaker 4: candidates you know, months leading up to the elections. Yeah,

686
00:32:30,573 --> 00:32:32,773
Speaker 4: I think that might generate more interest where people could

687
00:32:32,853 --> 00:32:36,053
Speaker 4: just go along and genuinely see what people are about,

688
00:32:36,533 --> 00:32:38,133
Speaker 4: so that they could actually put a name to a

689
00:32:38,213 --> 00:32:40,213
Speaker 4: face and then listen to that person speak.

690
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Speaker 10: Yeah.

691
00:32:41,053 --> 00:32:44,333
Speaker 4: Yeah, there you know what they're about, what things are

692
00:32:44,373 --> 00:32:45,053
Speaker 4: important to them?

693
00:32:45,333 --> 00:32:47,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much for your call, Alex the

694
00:32:47,333 --> 00:32:49,133
Speaker 3: people makes a lot of sense. Can think you to

695
00:32:49,213 --> 00:32:52,893
Speaker 3: the people? Can you hear from you? Who's fault rather

696
00:32:53,733 --> 00:32:55,613
Speaker 3: is the low voter turnout? What do you reckon? I

697
00:32:55,693 --> 00:32:57,693
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighteen eighty Z number call. It is

698
00:32:57,853 --> 00:33:00,053
Speaker 3: quarter to two, and do you support calls to have

699
00:33:00,213 --> 00:33:05,373
Speaker 3: me taste it for failing to put to right up

700
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Speaker 3: for the last hurdle and they're not put my vote

701
00:33:06,933 --> 00:33:11,453
Speaker 3: on it's going to turn out on that so far your.

702
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Speaker 1: Home of afternoon Talk, mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call

703
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Speaker 1: eight hundred eighty ten eighty US talk.

704
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Speaker 3: They'd be afternoon. It is twelve to two, So I've.

705
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Speaker 2: Got a controversial suggestion. We've got some calls waiting, so

706
00:33:23,533 --> 00:33:24,853
Speaker 2: I'll get through it really quickly. We want to get

707
00:33:24,853 --> 00:33:26,533
Speaker 2: to your calls. One hundred and eighty ten eighty. But

708
00:33:27,333 --> 00:33:29,173
Speaker 2: are we making it The more we do to make

709
00:33:29,213 --> 00:33:31,333
Speaker 2: it easy for people, the less people are voting. You see,

710
00:33:31,333 --> 00:33:33,973
Speaker 2: it's dropped off a cliff since twenty twenty two, right yep?

711
00:33:34,333 --> 00:33:37,813
Speaker 2: So are we Is that not working? Every plan we

712
00:33:37,933 --> 00:33:41,013
Speaker 2: have to make it easier, you know, mail and all

713
00:33:41,053 --> 00:33:42,333
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. Do we need to make it

714
00:33:42,413 --> 00:33:46,053
Speaker 2: harder but just more exciting. So we have a time

715
00:33:46,173 --> 00:33:48,853
Speaker 2: you have to go into the voting booth old School

716
00:33:49,093 --> 00:33:50,813
Speaker 2: and you have to do it there and it's only

717
00:33:50,933 --> 00:33:54,613
Speaker 2: open for one day, so it's the Saturday from nine

718
00:33:54,693 --> 00:33:56,453
Speaker 2: to five. You have to get in there. We make

719
00:33:56,493 --> 00:33:58,573
Speaker 2: it a big push that that's what you do. You

720
00:33:58,733 --> 00:34:01,173
Speaker 2: go out and vote on that day and it becomes

721
00:34:01,213 --> 00:34:03,173
Speaker 2: a thing. We do a ritual in New Zealand that

722
00:34:03,773 --> 00:34:06,373
Speaker 2: we're excited about doing. People do it and then they

723
00:34:06,413 --> 00:34:09,812
Speaker 2: go to the pub. Yep, become that day, voting day.

724
00:34:09,893 --> 00:34:11,493
Speaker 2: We just push it and push it and push it.

725
00:34:11,573 --> 00:34:12,453
Speaker 2: It comes out and we do it.

726
00:34:12,613 --> 00:34:14,852
Speaker 3: So polling booths up the wazoo every week you drive

727
00:34:14,893 --> 00:34:16,773
Speaker 3: you see the big flags. Come on, come have a

728
00:34:16,813 --> 00:34:17,813
Speaker 3: saucy and do your vote?

729
00:34:17,853 --> 00:34:18,253
Speaker 2: Do you right?

730
00:34:18,333 --> 00:34:18,453
Speaker 3: Thing?

731
00:34:18,613 --> 00:34:20,732
Speaker 2: Yeah? It's worth a shot. Yeah, I don't know about

732
00:34:20,733 --> 00:34:22,453
Speaker 2: the saucy thing. You've added that, but you know, if

733
00:34:22,453 --> 00:34:23,733
Speaker 2: you want to. I don't know that that gets a

734
00:34:23,733 --> 00:34:25,893
Speaker 2: bit complicated when you start giving food for voting. Yeah,

735
00:34:26,013 --> 00:34:28,573
Speaker 2: very true, but you just you just get it done

736
00:34:28,813 --> 00:34:31,013
Speaker 2: on the day and it's the thing that you do

737
00:34:31,213 --> 00:34:34,252
Speaker 2: because we can't get much lower than twenty percent in Auckland, right, Yeah,

738
00:34:34,373 --> 00:34:37,053
Speaker 2: so we can't get any lower. So what if it

739
00:34:37,133 --> 00:34:38,573
Speaker 2: becomes an exciting thing that people do.

740
00:34:38,733 --> 00:34:40,733
Speaker 3: We've tried the carrot. Now it's tide for the stack.

741
00:34:41,053 --> 00:34:42,573
Speaker 2: Ah, Jason, welcome to the show.

742
00:34:43,973 --> 00:34:44,732
Speaker 5: Oh thanks, guys.

743
00:34:44,733 --> 00:34:45,413
Speaker 18: I hope you can hear me.

744
00:34:45,493 --> 00:34:46,652
Speaker 5: Okay, someone hands free.

745
00:34:47,373 --> 00:34:49,013
Speaker 2: It's all right, there's a bit of background noise, but

746
00:34:49,093 --> 00:34:49,613
Speaker 2: we'll work with it.

747
00:34:51,333 --> 00:34:54,373
Speaker 5: You've just all sold off all of my thunder almost.

748
00:34:54,653 --> 00:34:56,733
Speaker 5: I think you almost touched on it there where I

749
00:34:56,813 --> 00:34:59,253
Speaker 5: think there's too much lead in time, Like I had

750
00:34:59,293 --> 00:35:02,293
Speaker 5: my voting paper on my kitchen bench for five weeks, Yes,

751
00:35:02,893 --> 00:35:04,493
Speaker 5: and it got to the point it got to a

752
00:35:04,573 --> 00:35:06,613
Speaker 5: point where I had to run it into the supermarket

753
00:35:06,693 --> 00:35:09,453
Speaker 5: box because I looked it too late. Yes, and it's

754
00:35:09,493 --> 00:35:11,453
Speaker 5: had a bit of a twist fate. It was like

755
00:35:11,573 --> 00:35:13,653
Speaker 5: at too much time. But I think yes, short in

756
00:35:13,693 --> 00:35:16,173
Speaker 5: the time that we have to vote. Make it two weeks,

757
00:35:16,253 --> 00:35:18,853
Speaker 5: no more, not two months or whatever it was up

758
00:35:18,893 --> 00:35:21,573
Speaker 5: here this time around. But I think the mayor elect

759
00:35:21,653 --> 00:35:24,373
Speaker 5: in Auckland's actually contributed to the own demise and that

760
00:35:24,613 --> 00:35:28,053
Speaker 5: he couldn't even be bothered going out to debate council

761
00:35:28,133 --> 00:35:30,013
Speaker 5: debates because he thought it was a waste of time.

762
00:35:30,093 --> 00:35:32,413
Speaker 5: I think subconsciously he knew he was in any way,

763
00:35:33,013 --> 00:35:36,293
Speaker 5: and I think a lot of us just took on that.

764
00:35:36,973 --> 00:35:39,293
Speaker 5: You know, that maxidasal approach as well. Well, it's't I

765
00:35:39,413 --> 00:35:41,172
Speaker 5: pointed to dune deal in Auckland.

766
00:35:41,173 --> 00:35:41,773
Speaker 17: Which it was.

767
00:35:43,333 --> 00:35:46,013
Speaker 5: I saw, I think in another of a sort of

768
00:35:46,093 --> 00:35:48,373
Speaker 5: twist the thing, and he sort of created the own

769
00:35:48,493 --> 00:35:51,293
Speaker 5: load turnout anyway, because he couldn't even be bothered standing

770
00:35:51,413 --> 00:35:53,133
Speaker 5: up and talking to his opponents.

771
00:35:53,253 --> 00:35:55,613
Speaker 2: So it's a funny thing, isn't it, Jason, that things

772
00:35:55,653 --> 00:35:57,453
Speaker 2: take as long as time. Have you got anyone that's

773
00:35:57,453 --> 00:35:59,493
Speaker 2: been in charge of a project, If you give it

774
00:35:59,573 --> 00:36:01,373
Speaker 2: two weeks, it takes two weeks and it's done at

775
00:36:01,373 --> 00:36:04,692
Speaker 2: the last minute, or you know, so, yeah, I agree

776
00:36:04,733 --> 00:36:08,133
Speaker 2: with you so much. There's plenty of time to do

777
00:36:08,173 --> 00:36:09,333
Speaker 2: it in a week or two weeks.

778
00:36:09,413 --> 00:36:10,813
Speaker 3: Now that's plenty of time.

779
00:36:10,693 --> 00:36:10,973
Speaker 17: To do it.

780
00:36:12,213 --> 00:36:15,413
Speaker 5: So that's so, Yeah, you've got an overdraft of a

781
00:36:15,493 --> 00:36:16,053
Speaker 5: thousand bucks.

782
00:36:19,613 --> 00:36:22,533
Speaker 3: We love to be a fascinate acessor reality, and particularly

783
00:36:22,613 --> 00:36:24,813
Speaker 3: for voting. That is something that most people would leaved

784
00:36:24,853 --> 00:36:27,212
Speaker 3: to the last minute. And you're quite right, having two

785
00:36:27,333 --> 00:36:29,773
Speaker 3: months and then it goes into the dash you know,

786
00:36:30,133 --> 00:36:32,093
Speaker 3: the dashboard in your car, and you forget about it.

787
00:36:32,453 --> 00:36:34,013
Speaker 3: And that's how people forget if.

788
00:36:33,893 --> 00:36:36,973
Speaker 2: I was just involved in this many years legal situation,

789
00:36:37,733 --> 00:36:40,333
Speaker 2: and of course everything's handed in on the last morning

790
00:36:40,413 --> 00:36:42,373
Speaker 2: of the last time that possibly could. And there's been

791
00:36:42,453 --> 00:36:45,413
Speaker 2: years and years. It's always the case, right, So yeah,

792
00:36:45,413 --> 00:36:47,053
Speaker 2: I agree with you, Jason. Thank you so much for

793
00:36:47,133 --> 00:36:48,053
Speaker 2: your call. Appreciate that.

794
00:36:48,213 --> 00:36:50,613
Speaker 3: Yeah, great idea. Oh eight undred eighty ten eighty is

795
00:36:50,733 --> 00:36:53,133
Speaker 3: the number to call. Couple of texts to the break,

796
00:36:53,453 --> 00:36:55,213
Speaker 3: This one says, okady, guys, I live in Auckland and

797
00:36:55,253 --> 00:36:58,573
Speaker 3: I'm highly engaged with both central and local politics. I've

798
00:36:58,573 --> 00:37:00,973
Speaker 3: always voted to have my say. However, I have to

799
00:37:01,053 --> 00:37:03,053
Speaker 3: say this election was the first time that I nearly

800
00:37:03,133 --> 00:37:05,373
Speaker 3: didn't vote. The quality of the candidates was so low

801
00:37:05,613 --> 00:37:07,493
Speaker 3: that I felt I had to scrape the bottom of

802
00:37:07,613 --> 00:37:11,293
Speaker 3: the barrel when need more inspiring candidates that would make

803
00:37:11,373 --> 00:37:12,933
Speaker 3: the vote a voter turn out a bit better.

804
00:37:13,053 --> 00:37:15,773
Speaker 2: The sex it says, I thoroughly disapprove of Matt being

805
00:37:15,813 --> 00:37:18,693
Speaker 2: tasted for not getting around to putting his vote in.

806
00:37:19,173 --> 00:37:21,373
Speaker 2: How about we put him in medieval stocks and throw

807
00:37:21,573 --> 00:37:22,773
Speaker 2: fruit and cabbages at him.

808
00:37:23,293 --> 00:37:24,733
Speaker 3: Not a bad idea actually, And.

809
00:37:24,773 --> 00:37:28,453
Speaker 2: Another person is saying, how about Tyler just eggs Matt,

810
00:37:28,853 --> 00:37:30,692
Speaker 2: So I think you egging me in the studio here

811
00:37:30,693 --> 00:37:33,333
Speaker 2: if not voting would go down terribly with our breakfast host.

812
00:37:33,453 --> 00:37:36,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, there's in that situation. But if we went

813
00:37:36,173 --> 00:37:38,853
Speaker 3: down Queen Street, that might work nine two nine too.

814
00:37:38,853 --> 00:37:40,173
Speaker 3: If you want to put a voter in on what

815
00:37:40,293 --> 00:37:43,172
Speaker 3: punishment Matt should face right now, though it is eight

816
00:37:43,253 --> 00:37:43,973
Speaker 3: minutes to two.

817
00:37:45,373 --> 00:37:48,933
Speaker 1: Matt heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

818
00:37:48,973 --> 00:37:52,293
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty. It's Matt Heathen Tyler Adams Afternoons

819
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Speaker 1: News talks.

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Speaker 3: 'B News TALKSB five to two. We've been talking about

821
00:37:57,053 --> 00:38:00,732
Speaker 3: the low voter turnouts and whose fault is it. There's

822
00:38:00,733 --> 00:38:02,613
Speaker 3: been a lot of it about online voting. Just quickly

823
00:38:02,693 --> 00:38:05,053
Speaker 3: we spoke to Nick Smith, mayor of Nelson He's also

824
00:38:05,133 --> 00:38:07,253
Speaker 3: a senior leader with local government New Zealand, so he

825
00:38:07,293 --> 00:38:07,933
Speaker 3: said at the time.

826
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Speaker 19: Vote.

827
00:38:08,533 --> 00:38:11,613
Speaker 3: While online voting is often suggested as a viable alternative,

828
00:38:11,773 --> 00:38:13,853
Speaker 3: attempts over the past three decades to trial it for

829
00:38:13,973 --> 00:38:17,493
Speaker 3: local elections have been unsuccessful, largely due to security or

830
00:38:17,533 --> 00:38:18,133
Speaker 3: cost issues.

831
00:38:18,413 --> 00:38:20,053
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, that's right. I remember talking to the next

832
00:38:20,053 --> 00:38:21,533
Speaker 2: sith about it. I couln't remember the reason why, but

833
00:38:21,853 --> 00:38:24,573
Speaker 2: I think you can overcome those. But I personally believe

834
00:38:24,693 --> 00:38:26,973
Speaker 2: make it harder to vote and make it more exciting.

835
00:38:27,493 --> 00:38:31,013
Speaker 2: Limit it to one morning, one Saturday, and just pump

836
00:38:31,133 --> 00:38:33,053
Speaker 2: everyone to that one thing. It's like putting on a gig,

837
00:38:33,133 --> 00:38:35,172
Speaker 2: right yeah, put on a big gag. You do all

838
00:38:35,213 --> 00:38:38,053
Speaker 2: the promotion around that one moment. Get in there and

839
00:38:38,213 --> 00:38:39,172
Speaker 2: do it at that time.

840
00:38:39,333 --> 00:38:40,173
Speaker 3: It would be exciting.

841
00:38:40,293 --> 00:38:42,853
Speaker 2: It takes out the decision making in the admin from

842
00:38:42,853 --> 00:38:44,533
Speaker 2: people like all these people that are texting things. I

843
00:38:44,573 --> 00:38:46,933
Speaker 2: had papers ready to vote so many people and then

844
00:38:46,973 --> 00:38:49,253
Speaker 2: they didn't. They didn't hand it in. Yep, it's because

845
00:38:49,293 --> 00:38:51,253
Speaker 2: because it was too much. Often they sat around for

846
00:38:51,333 --> 00:38:55,333
Speaker 2: five weeks these voting papers. Cliff, very quickly your thoughts

847
00:38:55,373 --> 00:38:59,732
Speaker 2: on this, gay Cliff, Oh good.

848
00:38:59,773 --> 00:39:03,493
Speaker 20: Eight fellas yeah. Look, I'm in the delivery of the

849
00:39:04,053 --> 00:39:08,053
Speaker 20: electoral stuff. We have to deliver five weeks out because

850
00:39:08,373 --> 00:39:11,253
Speaker 20: other people that have shifted premises in the past three years,

851
00:39:11,373 --> 00:39:13,613
Speaker 20: so that if it goes to an address that the

852
00:39:13,693 --> 00:39:16,533
Speaker 20: people aren't living, it could come back to yourself on

853
00:39:16,653 --> 00:39:18,813
Speaker 20: post and be redirected to a new address.

854
00:39:19,093 --> 00:39:22,013
Speaker 2: Ah right, yeah, okay, So this was very complicated, isn't it.

855
00:39:22,173 --> 00:39:25,613
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's always for shocks. Yeah, but again I mean

856
00:39:25,813 --> 00:39:28,252
Speaker 3: not if you have to go unto the booth and vote. Yeah,

857
00:39:28,373 --> 00:39:29,773
Speaker 3: I think there's a lot to that. You just have

858
00:39:29,853 --> 00:39:30,173
Speaker 3: to go in.

859
00:39:30,413 --> 00:39:32,133
Speaker 2: Just hype it up, let's go, let's go, let's go.

860
00:39:32,373 --> 00:39:34,453
Speaker 3: Yep. It works for the general election, so it's worth

861
00:39:34,493 --> 00:39:34,772
Speaker 3: a shop.

862
00:39:34,853 --> 00:39:39,133
Speaker 2: But great discussions for every rock music concert, yeah, exactly

863
00:39:39,253 --> 00:39:39,853
Speaker 2: and dance.

864
00:39:40,853 --> 00:39:43,933
Speaker 3: Yeah right, great discussion. Thank you very much everyone who

865
00:39:44,013 --> 00:39:46,493
Speaker 3: text and phoned on that one. Coming up after two

866
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Speaker 3: o'clock romance scams. Have you or one of your family

867
00:39:50,173 --> 00:39:52,453
Speaker 3: members been involved in one of these scams? What happened?

868
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Speaker 3: We're keen to hear from you. Newss next.

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Speaker 1: Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heath and Taylor

870
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Speaker 1: Adams afternoons news talks.

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Speaker 14: It be.

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Speaker 3: Very good afternoons. You welcome back into the show. It

873
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Speaker 3: is six past two. Hope you're having a ready good

874
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Speaker 3: Monday afternoon. So let's get into this discussion romance scams.

875
00:40:13,253 --> 00:40:15,493
Speaker 3: This was after a woman fell victim to a romance

876
00:40:15,573 --> 00:40:18,692
Speaker 3: scam in New Zealand found herself in a really bad

877
00:40:18,773 --> 00:40:22,212
Speaker 3: situation when she was caught attempting to smuggle methanphetamine into

878
00:40:22,293 --> 00:40:25,133
Speaker 3: New Zealand at Auckland Airport. The sixty year old had

879
00:40:25,213 --> 00:40:27,813
Speaker 3: been duped into believing she was helping a love interest

880
00:40:27,973 --> 00:40:30,493
Speaker 3: in need, heard that a lot of times over the

881
00:40:30,533 --> 00:40:33,013
Speaker 3: past couple of years, only to discover she was unknowingly

882
00:40:33,173 --> 00:40:37,253
Speaker 3: involved in a transnational drug trafficking operation. Devastating.

883
00:40:37,533 --> 00:40:40,013
Speaker 2: It's so tragic. It breaks your heart when you hear

884
00:40:40,053 --> 00:40:45,213
Speaker 2: this kind of situation, these these romance scams, because you

885
00:40:45,333 --> 00:40:48,733
Speaker 2: know when it happens, you'd feel not only you know

886
00:40:48,773 --> 00:40:51,013
Speaker 2: obviously to do that, you have fallen in love, right,

887
00:40:51,133 --> 00:40:53,813
Speaker 2: So not only do you lose that person and a

888
00:40:53,853 --> 00:40:57,413
Speaker 2: lot of people lose love so they break up whatever divorce,

889
00:40:57,493 --> 00:40:59,973
Speaker 2: et cetera, but also you find out that they were

890
00:41:00,093 --> 00:41:02,893
Speaker 2: using you, they never existed. This shame for your family

891
00:41:03,653 --> 00:41:06,652
Speaker 2: and in this case, you're about to do a prison term. Yeah,

892
00:41:07,133 --> 00:41:10,413
Speaker 2: so you're broken heart, you've been scammed, and now are

893
00:41:10,413 --> 00:41:10,973
Speaker 2: you in prison?

894
00:41:11,133 --> 00:41:12,693
Speaker 3: It doesn't get much worse than that, does it?

895
00:41:13,053 --> 00:41:13,093
Speaker 10: No?

896
00:41:15,093 --> 00:41:18,493
Speaker 2: You know, and it's always complicated. We don't know how

897
00:41:19,413 --> 00:41:22,213
Speaker 2: involved and how willing they were to commit the crime.

898
00:41:22,373 --> 00:41:25,373
Speaker 2: How you know whether they were fully scammed, or whether

899
00:41:25,413 --> 00:41:27,333
Speaker 2: they were talked into it and were committing the crime

900
00:41:27,413 --> 00:41:29,853
Speaker 2: for the person, or whether they didn't know at all.

901
00:41:29,893 --> 00:41:35,893
Speaker 2: It gets pretty complicated. But romance scams are by very

902
00:41:35,933 --> 00:41:39,172
Speaker 2: definition broken hearted situations, right.

903
00:41:39,213 --> 00:41:42,253
Speaker 3: Lowest of the low I mean, and that vulnerability. A

904
00:41:42,693 --> 00:41:44,933
Speaker 3: lot of people in that position, and clearly this woman

905
00:41:45,613 --> 00:41:49,493
Speaker 3: was by all accounts according to the story, that loneliness element,

906
00:41:49,773 --> 00:41:54,013
Speaker 3: and as I understand it, slowly but surely the sort

907
00:41:54,053 --> 00:41:57,133
Speaker 3: of pushed into areas where they probably didn't think they

908
00:41:57,173 --> 00:42:01,173
Speaker 3: were going to be, and like traffic cking methamphetamine across

909
00:42:01,213 --> 00:42:03,453
Speaker 3: the border. You know, I don't think it starts off

910
00:42:03,493 --> 00:42:06,013
Speaker 3: that we want you to do this, that slow little

911
00:42:06,173 --> 00:42:07,893
Speaker 3: web that they weave as scammers.

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00:42:09,013 --> 00:42:12,413
Speaker 2: And look, there's also another story out today about how

913
00:42:12,493 --> 00:42:16,853
Speaker 2: many people are in relationships with AI and sometimes they

914
00:42:16,893 --> 00:42:18,893
Speaker 2: don't even know that that's the person they're talking to

915
00:42:19,093 --> 00:42:22,133
Speaker 2: doesn't even exist at all. In this case, we're particularly

916
00:42:22,213 --> 00:42:25,212
Speaker 2: talking about that the person that you're dealing with does

917
00:42:25,333 --> 00:42:28,453
Speaker 2: not even exist. Yeah, and so I mean that's a

918
00:42:28,533 --> 00:42:31,413
Speaker 2: good rule of thumb. I believe to not give money

919
00:42:31,493 --> 00:42:34,733
Speaker 2: to someone that you've never met. And I don't know.

920
00:42:35,533 --> 00:42:38,853
Speaker 2: There isn't such a thing as a really really good looking,

921
00:42:39,253 --> 00:42:43,813
Speaker 2: incredibly wealthy person who loves you and suddenly needs some

922
00:42:43,893 --> 00:42:44,333
Speaker 2: money off you.

923
00:42:45,413 --> 00:42:47,373
Speaker 3: That's a big red flag, isn't it, Because they've got

924
00:42:47,413 --> 00:42:50,413
Speaker 3: themselves into that position and they look the way they look,

925
00:42:50,653 --> 00:42:52,813
Speaker 3: and they've got the connections that they say they've got

926
00:42:53,573 --> 00:42:56,533
Speaker 3: then and they rely on you're the only person they've

927
00:42:56,613 --> 00:42:57,933
Speaker 3: got to be able to help them out with a

928
00:42:57,973 --> 00:42:58,893
Speaker 3: couple of thousand dollars.

929
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Speaker 2: Yeah. But you know, we do foolish things when we're

930
00:43:02,493 --> 00:43:04,973
Speaker 2: in love, don't we. We do, absolutely, And there are

931
00:43:05,133 --> 00:43:08,453
Speaker 2: evil people out there that pray on that emotion. If

932
00:43:08,493 --> 00:43:10,172
Speaker 2: you or a family member been caught up in an

933
00:43:10,173 --> 00:43:13,212
Speaker 2: immense scam, because I think it's important to discuss them

934
00:43:13,253 --> 00:43:18,253
Speaker 2: so people can spot the signs. You know, the signs

935
00:43:18,293 --> 00:43:22,093
Speaker 2: may seem very obvious, but a lot of people missed them.

936
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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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00:43:23,413 --> 00:43:26,933
Speaker 2: So and also, you know, have you thought that someone

938
00:43:27,013 --> 00:43:28,893
Speaker 2: was in a remote romance scam and then found out

939
00:43:28,893 --> 00:43:30,933
Speaker 2: that they weren't. Yeah, that that person that was too

940
00:43:30,973 --> 00:43:33,252
Speaker 2: good to be true has turned out to be true.

941
00:43:33,453 --> 00:43:35,493
Speaker 2: We'd love to hear those stories. You might be having

942
00:43:35,493 --> 00:43:37,613
Speaker 2: an amazing life with someone that everyone thought was a

943
00:43:37,693 --> 00:43:38,292
Speaker 2: romance scam.

944
00:43:38,373 --> 00:43:39,693
Speaker 3: They asked for a bit of money, You rolled the

945
00:43:39,773 --> 00:43:41,333
Speaker 3: dice and it might have even worked out.

946
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean often we'll see an older gentleman with

947
00:43:44,173 --> 00:43:47,093
Speaker 2: a younger woman. Yeah, and we think, we think romance scam.

948
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, eight hundred not always the case. I eight

949
00:43:50,293 --> 00:43:52,453
Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call if

950
00:43:52,453 --> 00:43:54,053
Speaker 3: you want to send a teaching more than welcome. Nine

951
00:43:54,093 --> 00:43:54,853
Speaker 3: to ninety two.

952
00:43:55,013 --> 00:43:57,053
Speaker 2: Hey, guys, I was completely duped by a very well

953
00:43:57,133 --> 00:43:59,453
Speaker 2: known sports star in New Zealand. I've only just managed

954
00:43:59,493 --> 00:44:02,613
Speaker 2: to hold onto my house just I owed over half

955
00:44:02,613 --> 00:44:04,613
Speaker 2: a million dollars. My children tried to warn me, but

956
00:44:04,693 --> 00:44:07,493
Speaker 2: it was so charming but also controlling. Before I knew it,

957
00:44:07,573 --> 00:44:10,573
Speaker 2: I was a I'm paying the price and I will

958
00:44:10,613 --> 00:44:11,653
Speaker 2: be for many years to go.

959
00:44:12,013 --> 00:44:15,733
Speaker 3: Wow, it's an incredible text. So glad you only just

960
00:44:15,813 --> 00:44:16,652
Speaker 3: managed to keep the house.

961
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Speaker 2: My mother and lawa is currently caught up and a

962
00:44:18,453 --> 00:44:22,453
Speaker 2: Kevin Costner scam, Kevin Costna scam. She's sent thousands of

963
00:44:22,493 --> 00:44:25,373
Speaker 2: dollars to scammers, mostly in the form of Apple gift cards. Yeah,

964
00:44:25,413 --> 00:44:26,973
Speaker 2: the Apple gift cards is the way they do it.

965
00:44:27,533 --> 00:44:31,213
Speaker 2: Or those year. She's still married but now sleeps in

966
00:44:31,253 --> 00:44:33,172
Speaker 2: a different bed as my father in law, who basically

967
00:44:33,213 --> 00:44:36,333
Speaker 2: ignores it. The children are no longer speaking to it,

968
00:44:36,413 --> 00:44:38,172
Speaker 2: and family events no longer happen.

969
00:44:38,253 --> 00:44:39,213
Speaker 3: Oh, that is heartbreaking.

970
00:44:39,453 --> 00:44:41,493
Speaker 2: The gift cards is a part of it, isn't it.

971
00:44:41,933 --> 00:44:42,693
Speaker 3: That's a big flag.

972
00:44:43,013 --> 00:44:46,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they go, I need these to do this,

973
00:44:46,653 --> 00:44:48,652
Speaker 2: but then they just take them down and sell them.

974
00:44:48,653 --> 00:44:50,493
Speaker 2: I've seen how the scam goes. But the gift cards

975
00:44:50,533 --> 00:44:54,013
Speaker 2: aren't transferable. You know, you can't track them. They're not

976
00:44:54,053 --> 00:44:54,813
Speaker 2: going through a bank.

977
00:44:55,013 --> 00:44:57,973
Speaker 3: YEP. That is prime for scammers to take advantage of that,

978
00:44:58,093 --> 00:44:59,173
Speaker 3: and then you just say get away with it.

979
00:44:59,213 --> 00:45:00,573
Speaker 2: Because you know, if the money goes through a bank,

980
00:45:00,653 --> 00:45:03,733
Speaker 2: then the bank will have it, will trace it, and

981
00:45:03,773 --> 00:45:04,933
Speaker 2: they'll shut it down potentially.

982
00:45:05,093 --> 00:45:07,652
Speaker 3: Yeah. Keen to hear your stories about romance scams, whether

983
00:45:07,733 --> 00:45:10,453
Speaker 3: or was yourself for a family member. Oh, eight hundred

984
00:45:10,493 --> 00:45:12,533
Speaker 3: eighty ten, eighties and number to call twelve past.

985
00:45:12,373 --> 00:45:17,253
Speaker 1: Two your home of afternoon Talk, Mad Heathen Taylor Adams

986
00:45:17,413 --> 00:45:21,373
Speaker 1: afternoons call, Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty Youth Talk said, be.

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00:45:23,613 --> 00:45:25,093
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon to you. Now we're going to go

988
00:45:25,173 --> 00:45:27,173
Speaker 3: back to romance schemes very shortly. We're getting a lot

989
00:45:27,213 --> 00:45:29,013
Speaker 3: of calls and tecks on this, but just a quick

990
00:45:29,133 --> 00:45:32,292
Speaker 3: tangent if I may. Last hour, we were talking about

991
00:45:32,373 --> 00:45:35,213
Speaker 3: voter turnout and you admit it. You went into the lines, Dan,

992
00:45:35,293 --> 00:45:38,293
Speaker 3: you said, I admit that I didn't get round of voting,

993
00:45:38,373 --> 00:45:40,373
Speaker 3: and there was some various reasons for that. So we

994
00:45:40,453 --> 00:45:43,413
Speaker 3: were talking about punishments. So there's a few punishments coming through,

995
00:45:43,733 --> 00:45:46,973
Speaker 3: and they're pretty creative, I've got to say. So this

996
00:45:47,173 --> 00:45:50,213
Speaker 3: one says Matt's punishment dress them up in a furry

997
00:45:50,293 --> 00:45:52,453
Speaker 3: wolf suit and have a big, strong goth woman throw

998
00:45:52,453 --> 00:45:55,573
Speaker 3: them around a room live stream on TikTok. I mean

999
00:45:55,613 --> 00:45:57,293
Speaker 3: that is out there in terms of punishments.

1000
00:45:57,613 --> 00:46:00,493
Speaker 2: Don't very much like a punishment to me. I'll pay

1001
00:46:00,573 --> 00:46:00,733
Speaker 2: for that.

1002
00:46:00,813 --> 00:46:00,933
Speaker 14: Well.

1003
00:46:00,973 --> 00:46:02,652
Speaker 3: I keep them coming through on nine two nine two,

1004
00:46:03,213 --> 00:46:04,813
Speaker 3: so you know when it comes.

1005
00:46:04,653 --> 00:46:07,013
Speaker 2: To a scam. We were talking before about the Apple

1006
00:46:07,253 --> 00:46:09,933
Speaker 2: or app store or Google Play gift cards and why

1007
00:46:10,013 --> 00:46:11,813
Speaker 2: scammers do this. So, if you're in a situation and

1008
00:46:11,933 --> 00:46:15,133
Speaker 2: someone bring raises that that they need you to buy

1009
00:46:15,253 --> 00:46:18,093
Speaker 2: these cards, you need to know that it's a scam

1010
00:46:18,293 --> 00:46:20,732
Speaker 2: because the reason why they do use those cards, those

1011
00:46:20,773 --> 00:46:24,573
Speaker 2: gift cards, is because there's no names, no bank, it's irreversible,

1012
00:46:24,693 --> 00:46:26,812
Speaker 2: it's instant, and it's remote because they can just send

1013
00:46:26,933 --> 00:46:28,213
Speaker 2: you can just send the codes to them and they

1014
00:46:28,253 --> 00:46:33,453
Speaker 2: can spend them. It's easy to launder, you know, and

1015
00:46:33,533 --> 00:46:37,053
Speaker 2: you know there's no problems with financial dominations and changing

1016
00:46:37,133 --> 00:46:40,133
Speaker 2: money or any of those kind of things credit trail.

1017
00:46:40,253 --> 00:46:42,253
Speaker 2: So yeah, if you if you if someone is asking

1018
00:46:42,333 --> 00:46:46,373
Speaker 2: you to get them gift cards Google Play or Apple

1019
00:46:46,413 --> 00:46:49,253
Speaker 2: App Store or anything like that, then it tunes these

1020
00:46:49,333 --> 00:46:50,573
Speaker 2: to be called. I'm not sure if they still are.

1021
00:46:50,773 --> 00:46:52,693
Speaker 2: It is a scam guaranteed.

1022
00:46:52,933 --> 00:46:53,413
Speaker 10: Never do that.

1023
00:46:53,573 --> 00:46:55,533
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

1024
00:46:55,573 --> 00:47:02,453
Speaker 3: to call. Henadi. How are you hello, Henadi? Can you

1025
00:47:02,453 --> 00:47:02,693
Speaker 3: hear me?

1026
00:47:02,813 --> 00:47:03,013
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1027
00:47:03,093 --> 00:47:05,413
Speaker 3: Gotcha? Gotcha? Yeah? Hey, how you doing?

1028
00:47:05,653 --> 00:47:05,813
Speaker 15: Hey?

1029
00:47:05,853 --> 00:47:08,813
Speaker 17: I'm just ringing about said lady, the sixty year old

1030
00:47:09,253 --> 00:47:12,773
Speaker 17: buddy they've got done at the airport. She deserves everything

1031
00:47:12,813 --> 00:47:16,133
Speaker 17: she gets made like you just can't. You can't expect

1032
00:47:16,533 --> 00:47:19,053
Speaker 17: something that sounds too good to be true to be true.

1033
00:47:19,933 --> 00:47:22,373
Speaker 17: And at the end of the day, these old folks

1034
00:47:22,413 --> 00:47:25,212
Speaker 17: should be learning from other people and listening to their

1035
00:47:25,253 --> 00:47:27,813
Speaker 17: younger folks that are trying to look out for them. Now,

1036
00:47:27,933 --> 00:47:30,173
Speaker 17: I reckon she would have had someone trying to intervene

1037
00:47:30,213 --> 00:47:32,413
Speaker 17: into that from her side of the family, but she

1038
00:47:32,453 --> 00:47:34,533
Speaker 17: would have been like, no, no, no, I know what

1039
00:47:34,613 --> 00:47:36,933
Speaker 17: I'm doing. Believe well, she can know what she's doing

1040
00:47:37,053 --> 00:47:40,653
Speaker 17: from the behind the bars, right, you knows sympathy from me.

1041
00:47:41,293 --> 00:47:43,973
Speaker 17: That's a faita Meine is destroying our society. It is

1042
00:47:44,013 --> 00:47:47,453
Speaker 17: taking people's lives and it just does no place in

1043
00:47:47,573 --> 00:47:52,053
Speaker 17: our site. So yeah, unlucky old lady, and it's for

1044
00:47:52,173 --> 00:47:56,453
Speaker 17: the broke not voting, ye made. The only punishment that

1045
00:47:56,533 --> 00:47:59,093
Speaker 17: you have is you can't talk about it for three years.

1046
00:47:59,373 --> 00:47:59,893
Speaker 17: That's true.

1047
00:48:00,133 --> 00:48:02,093
Speaker 2: That's difficult for me in my position.

1048
00:48:02,253 --> 00:48:02,413
Speaker 10: Is a.

1049
00:48:07,213 --> 00:48:10,853
Speaker 17: To the the Early morning show Will Roman. Yeah, and

1050
00:48:11,693 --> 00:48:14,093
Speaker 17: I rang up this morning and heard him here. He

1051
00:48:14,173 --> 00:48:17,533
Speaker 17: didn't vote either. You know, you're not alone.

1052
00:48:18,413 --> 00:48:21,573
Speaker 2: That is low Roman, But you're actually quite right there,

1053
00:48:21,693 --> 00:48:23,813
Speaker 2: you know, me not being able to talk about cancel

1054
00:48:23,933 --> 00:48:26,373
Speaker 2: issues or any of those issues for three years would

1055
00:48:26,373 --> 00:48:28,933
Speaker 2: be a worse punishment than being egged or tasered or anything.

1056
00:48:29,013 --> 00:48:29,213
Speaker 15: For me.

1057
00:48:29,653 --> 00:48:32,573
Speaker 17: That's because you know it's the time for us to

1058
00:48:32,613 --> 00:48:33,053
Speaker 17: have LC.

1059
00:48:33,413 --> 00:48:34,893
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would take away moment.

1060
00:48:36,253 --> 00:48:39,293
Speaker 17: And vos one. Yeah, otherwise things don't get done.

1061
00:48:39,493 --> 00:48:42,013
Speaker 2: Good on you. But do you hit your message? I mean,

1062
00:48:42,093 --> 00:48:43,733
Speaker 2: and I know you're taking a hard line because you

1063
00:48:43,853 --> 00:48:46,813
Speaker 2: absolutely agree the whole myth thing and it does look

1064
00:48:46,893 --> 00:48:48,533
Speaker 2: like family tried to savor and stuff.

1065
00:48:48,413 --> 00:48:49,613
Speaker 17: Drawing up society. Gentlemen.

1066
00:48:49,773 --> 00:48:53,493
Speaker 2: Yeah, but your heart, you might you must feel something.

1067
00:48:53,693 --> 00:48:56,173
Speaker 2: You must feel something in your heart for and understand

1068
00:48:56,213 --> 00:48:57,933
Speaker 2: that people do incredibly stupid things.

1069
00:48:58,053 --> 00:49:00,853
Speaker 17: So this is this guy I watch on TikTok and

1070
00:49:00,893 --> 00:49:03,973
Speaker 17: here is a voice changer as an old lady. These guys,

1071
00:49:05,093 --> 00:49:07,613
Speaker 17: he knows exactly where they are. He is, he can

1072
00:49:07,693 --> 00:49:09,813
Speaker 17: tap into they are and see the video of them,

1073
00:49:10,093 --> 00:49:12,373
Speaker 17: and then he starts telling them details about their family

1074
00:49:12,413 --> 00:49:15,733
Speaker 17: and looking at them and everything, and oh it's beautiful

1075
00:49:15,773 --> 00:49:16,053
Speaker 17: to watch.

1076
00:49:16,173 --> 00:49:18,093
Speaker 2: I love those things on YouTube. And then sometimes they'll

1077
00:49:18,133 --> 00:49:19,733
Speaker 2: hack in to the computer and then they start seeing

1078
00:49:19,813 --> 00:49:21,773
Speaker 2: through Once once a person thinks I've done it, they

1079
00:49:21,813 --> 00:49:24,613
Speaker 2: start seeing their exact address and then pictures of it

1080
00:49:24,773 --> 00:49:25,253
Speaker 2: where they are.

1081
00:49:26,013 --> 00:49:28,773
Speaker 3: It's fun, fun stuff. Hey, thanks so much for your call.

1082
00:49:28,773 --> 00:49:30,613
Speaker 3: Hen right, Yeah, thank you very much, Joe. One hundred

1083
00:49:30,613 --> 00:49:33,413
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty is the number of core romance scams.

1084
00:49:33,453 --> 00:49:35,652
Speaker 3: If it's happened to you or almost happened to your

1085
00:49:35,773 --> 00:49:38,692
Speaker 3: family member, love to hear your stories. Plenty of teachts

1086
00:49:38,693 --> 00:49:40,453
Speaker 3: coming through on nine to ninety two.

1087
00:49:40,733 --> 00:49:42,373
Speaker 2: Should we go to Paul or should we take a break.

1088
00:49:42,533 --> 00:49:44,893
Speaker 2: Let's go to Paul, Paul and then take a break. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: get a Paul.

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00:49:46,733 --> 00:49:50,453
Speaker 19: Hi, guys. A wee while ago, but a dear friend

1091
00:49:50,533 --> 00:49:52,853
Speaker 19: of mine who wasn't so good with the ladies meet

1092
00:49:52,893 --> 00:49:55,292
Speaker 19: someone online and we're like, O, what's a bit dodger?

1093
00:49:56,093 --> 00:49:58,212
Speaker 19: You know, I know, we're you know, we're chatting. We're

1094
00:49:58,253 --> 00:50:00,093
Speaker 19: good this and that, and we're all in love. And

1095
00:50:00,213 --> 00:50:02,453
Speaker 19: she can't wait to meet me, and she's going to

1096
00:50:02,493 --> 00:50:04,093
Speaker 19: meet me here and she wants me to come to

1097
00:50:04,413 --> 00:50:06,533
Speaker 19: she wants to come to hear we've now agreed to

1098
00:50:06,573 --> 00:50:09,613
Speaker 19: meet in Turkey. And she was obviously and I'm like,

1099
00:50:09,733 --> 00:50:11,933
Speaker 19: that is not that is not a real woman that

1100
00:50:12,093 --> 00:50:14,733
Speaker 19: some fat go on a computer over and Glenn of

1101
00:50:14,773 --> 00:50:17,413
Speaker 19: Vostok with a photograph of some models for the whole

1102
00:50:17,493 --> 00:50:20,093
Speaker 19: of no, no, you guys are wrong. And then one

1103
00:50:20,173 --> 00:50:23,093
Speaker 19: day watching TV and there was a program on these

1104
00:50:23,173 --> 00:50:30,093
Speaker 19: scams made here and up pops Maria his girlfriend. So

1105
00:50:30,213 --> 00:50:34,293
Speaker 19: we rang him and he still didn't believe us, even.

1106
00:50:33,813 --> 00:50:37,133
Speaker 2: Even when you're showing him their evidence. He's still Yeah.

1107
00:50:37,293 --> 00:50:41,093
Speaker 19: What was his argument, Agon was he's got the real Maria.

1108
00:50:41,173 --> 00:50:41,613
Speaker 10: That's something.

1109
00:50:43,213 --> 00:50:43,933
Speaker 4: Spoke to Maria.

1110
00:50:44,053 --> 00:50:46,893
Speaker 19: She said, no, someone's hacked her photo and she really

1111
00:50:46,973 --> 00:50:49,253
Speaker 19: loves them. And in the end we convisibly get out

1112
00:50:49,253 --> 00:50:51,413
Speaker 19: of I think Maria lost interest or whoever it was,

1113
00:50:51,893 --> 00:50:54,212
Speaker 19: because he was so tight with his money, wouldn't send

1114
00:50:54,293 --> 00:50:55,773
Speaker 19: him that.

1115
00:50:56,613 --> 00:51:00,172
Speaker 2: Being tight, Yeah, it was close that in that case,

1116
00:51:00,213 --> 00:51:01,893
Speaker 2: Tyler will never get step scammed, that's for sure.

1117
00:51:01,973 --> 00:51:04,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank god for that. Yeah, I meant no us

1118
00:51:04,253 --> 00:51:05,292
Speaker 3: because I had spending money.

1119
00:51:06,533 --> 00:51:06,732
Speaker 14: Yeah.

1120
00:51:06,813 --> 00:51:10,613
Speaker 2: So the cognitive dissidence that comes in and you see

1121
00:51:10,653 --> 00:51:13,053
Speaker 2: it where they just want to believe it's true and

1122
00:51:13,413 --> 00:51:16,733
Speaker 2: and lovers like that, right, love is a leap of faith.

1123
00:51:18,253 --> 00:51:20,293
Speaker 19: I mean she was so stunning and he never had

1124
00:51:20,333 --> 00:51:21,493
Speaker 19: a stunning girl in his life.

1125
00:51:21,853 --> 00:51:29,853
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's lust. Maybe, Yeah, lust is a powerful

1126
00:51:29,893 --> 00:51:32,333
Speaker 2: thing as well. But but but but that, but that

1127
00:51:32,493 --> 00:51:34,573
Speaker 2: thing he must have known in the back of his

1128
00:51:34,813 --> 00:51:37,013
Speaker 2: mind that it was too good to be true. You know,

1129
00:51:37,093 --> 00:51:40,493
Speaker 2: as he says, if it's too good to be true,

1130
00:51:40,573 --> 00:51:42,652
Speaker 2: you must there must be some part of his mind.

1131
00:51:42,773 --> 00:51:43,973
Speaker 2: Your friend that was going.

1132
00:51:46,133 --> 00:51:47,453
Speaker 19: He liked with his own shadow.

1133
00:51:50,213 --> 00:51:52,373
Speaker 3: Yeah, lucky for him.

1134
00:51:52,453 --> 00:51:54,973
Speaker 2: But is he is he found love? Since has he

1135
00:51:55,053 --> 00:52:01,133
Speaker 2: found he has? Yeah? A real person, a real good person. Yeah,

1136
00:52:01,173 --> 00:52:01,653
Speaker 2: well that's.

1137
00:52:04,373 --> 00:52:07,013
Speaker 3: Lovely. I think that's a happy ending. Paul, Thank you

1138
00:52:07,053 --> 00:52:09,652
Speaker 3: so much for cool Paul, appreciate great story. Oh eight

1139
00:52:09,773 --> 00:52:12,373
Speaker 3: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call romance

1140
00:52:12,413 --> 00:52:15,293
Speaker 3: scams if you've had a family member or yourself being involved.

1141
00:52:15,573 --> 00:52:17,933
Speaker 3: Love to hear what happened in that scenario. How did

1142
00:52:17,973 --> 00:52:19,213
Speaker 3: you talk them out of it if you had to.

1143
00:52:19,373 --> 00:52:23,893
Speaker 2: Because it's important to you know, know the signs because

1144
00:52:23,933 --> 00:52:26,253
Speaker 2: it's happening more and more so. One hundred and eighty

1145
00:52:26,333 --> 00:52:29,652
Speaker 2: ten eighty. And I'll share this next. Someone's tensing through

1146
00:52:29,813 --> 00:52:32,733
Speaker 2: some really important and good advice for checking that you

1147
00:52:33,213 --> 00:52:34,333
Speaker 2: whether you're being scammed or not.

1148
00:52:34,573 --> 00:52:36,172
Speaker 3: Very good. It is twenty one past two.

1149
00:52:40,253 --> 00:52:43,933
Speaker 1: Matt Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons call, Oh, eight hundred eighty

1150
00:52:44,013 --> 00:52:46,533
Speaker 1: ten eighty on news Talk zab afternoon.

1151
00:52:46,653 --> 00:52:48,973
Speaker 3: So we are talking about romance scams after a New

1152
00:52:49,013 --> 00:52:52,613
Speaker 3: Zealand woman sadly foul victim to a romance romance scam

1153
00:52:52,653 --> 00:52:56,173
Speaker 3: which ended up in her attempting to smuggle methane fitamine

1154
00:52:56,253 --> 00:53:00,733
Speaker 3: into New Zealand. So the relationship turned out to not

1155
00:53:00,853 --> 00:53:02,533
Speaker 3: be real. She's lost a lot of money and now

1156
00:53:02,973 --> 00:53:04,093
Speaker 3: she's facing jail time.

1157
00:53:04,413 --> 00:53:06,133
Speaker 2: The sixer says, Hi, I tell you listen is that

1158
00:53:06,253 --> 00:53:08,813
Speaker 2: when some stranger tries to add them on Facebook, they

1159
00:53:08,853 --> 00:53:11,853
Speaker 2: should Google image search them. It's easy to take a

1160
00:53:11,973 --> 00:53:14,293
Speaker 2: screenshot and feed it into the Google Image search. Often

1161
00:53:14,333 --> 00:53:17,413
Speaker 2: it turns up to be someone completely different. Sadly, when

1162
00:53:17,533 --> 00:53:20,652
Speaker 2: I've reported these scammers to Facebook pages often don't get

1163
00:53:20,693 --> 00:53:24,133
Speaker 2: taken down. The next red flag is moving to WhatsApp

1164
00:53:24,293 --> 00:53:28,293
Speaker 2: or a telegram to carry on the conversation. Yeah, that's

1165
00:53:28,333 --> 00:53:30,173
Speaker 2: the thing. You can take a picture now and you

1166
00:53:30,253 --> 00:53:32,853
Speaker 2: can just put it into the Google search and you

1167
00:53:32,973 --> 00:53:35,133
Speaker 2: know if it comes up as a stock image or

1168
00:53:35,693 --> 00:53:38,333
Speaker 2: a different person's because you know obviously right now you

1169
00:53:38,413 --> 00:53:41,413
Speaker 2: can just take not only one picture, but if you're

1170
00:53:41,453 --> 00:53:43,613
Speaker 2: trying to run a romance scab on someone, scam on

1171
00:53:43,733 --> 00:53:46,293
Speaker 2: someone online. You can take hundreds of pictures.

1172
00:53:46,413 --> 00:53:46,613
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1173
00:53:47,133 --> 00:53:49,212
Speaker 2: I had a friend who came to me and he said,

1174
00:53:49,413 --> 00:53:53,093
Speaker 2: this wouldn't believe how beautiful this woman is. Who's trying to,

1175
00:53:54,333 --> 00:53:56,453
Speaker 2: you know, pock up with me?

1176
00:53:57,253 --> 00:53:58,453
Speaker 17: And I was like, is it.

1177
00:53:59,973 --> 00:54:02,692
Speaker 2: Interesting to you that her entire she's been the same

1178
00:54:02,773 --> 00:54:06,093
Speaker 2: age because the person had created a whole profile. It

1179
00:54:06,253 --> 00:54:08,253
Speaker 2: was discussing with them. I said, look look at it.

1180
00:54:08,893 --> 00:54:11,453
Speaker 2: Every shots in a bikini, and every shot looks like

1181
00:54:11,533 --> 00:54:13,613
Speaker 2: it's from the same holiday, but it goes back years.

1182
00:54:13,773 --> 00:54:15,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, and what do they say to that?

1183
00:54:15,853 --> 00:54:18,093
Speaker 2: He said, I don't know. I think she's real, but

1184
00:54:18,813 --> 00:54:21,773
Speaker 2: he wanted to blue. Yeah, but you know, people will

1185
00:54:21,773 --> 00:54:26,973
Speaker 2: go to the effort of just stealing all of someone's pictures,

1186
00:54:27,493 --> 00:54:28,973
Speaker 2: but this person went to the effort of doing that,

1187
00:54:29,253 --> 00:54:31,693
Speaker 2: but stole them all from the same holiday.

1188
00:54:32,653 --> 00:54:36,613
Speaker 3: Telltale sign. Glenn, how are you this afternoon?

1189
00:54:36,773 --> 00:54:39,893
Speaker 21: Yeah, not too bad there, lads. Hey, look I've only

1190
00:54:40,013 --> 00:54:41,653
Speaker 21: just tuned in, so I didn't pick up on the

1191
00:54:41,773 --> 00:54:42,853
Speaker 21: romance part of the scam.

1192
00:54:42,973 --> 00:54:44,213
Speaker 3: But all scams.

1193
00:54:44,293 --> 00:54:46,293
Speaker 2: We want to talk about all Scamso no, no, it's

1194
00:54:46,333 --> 00:54:46,773
Speaker 2: good Glenn.

1195
00:54:48,053 --> 00:54:48,292
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1196
00:54:48,413 --> 00:54:52,133
Speaker 21: So two three years ago, sort of on a bit

1197
00:54:52,173 --> 00:54:54,413
Speaker 21: of a late whim book some tickets to go to Hawaii,

1198
00:54:54,653 --> 00:54:56,732
Speaker 21: and I thought, shit, I protty need to still get

1199
00:54:56,733 --> 00:55:00,333
Speaker 21: an ester here, and didn't know what I'd need to

1200
00:55:00,373 --> 00:55:02,493
Speaker 21: get the est. I'd forgotten how many sort of spits

1201
00:55:02,533 --> 00:55:05,253
Speaker 21: of ID you'd need, so I googled that and then

1202
00:55:05,533 --> 00:55:07,733
Speaker 21: up on reading the stuff I needed. At the bottom

1203
00:55:07,733 --> 00:55:11,693
Speaker 21: of it said to apply, So I clicked on that applied.

1204
00:55:11,893 --> 00:55:14,253
Speaker 21: The paperwork looked exactly like what I'd filled out before.

1205
00:55:14,493 --> 00:55:16,172
Speaker 21: Got to the end of it, thought oh, I don't

1206
00:55:16,213 --> 00:55:18,613
Speaker 21: remember it charging me at all, but it took my details.

1207
00:55:19,253 --> 00:55:21,173
Speaker 21: I then proceeded to fill one out for the missus

1208
00:55:21,573 --> 00:55:24,373
Speaker 21: and same thing. Hadn't got to the end. Checked the

1209
00:55:24,453 --> 00:55:28,093
Speaker 21: bank account and yeah, there was quite a significant amount

1210
00:55:28,173 --> 00:55:30,973
Speaker 21: more gone than the gift. Take twenty one yank dollars

1211
00:55:31,653 --> 00:55:32,333
Speaker 21: from the account.

1212
00:55:32,573 --> 00:55:38,453
Speaker 2: Ah, yeah, yes, so there is the official year. When

1213
00:55:38,493 --> 00:55:40,933
Speaker 2: you look for the ester, it all comes up. I've

1214
00:55:41,013 --> 00:55:44,333
Speaker 2: nearly fallen for this as well, and the last minute,

1215
00:55:44,333 --> 00:55:47,813
Speaker 2: but there was there was because there's the official government one,

1216
00:55:48,413 --> 00:55:52,453
Speaker 2: and but the fake ones looked so much like them, right, yeah.

1217
00:55:52,373 --> 00:55:55,213
Speaker 21: Yeah, mate, she was to the tea, looked like it

1218
00:55:55,373 --> 00:55:59,733
Speaker 21: and look, I've filled it out before, you felt bloody stupid.

1219
00:55:59,773 --> 00:56:02,252
Speaker 21: But instead of about twenty bucks, it was the best

1220
00:56:02,293 --> 00:56:05,333
Speaker 21: part of two hundred bucks per go. I've rung up

1221
00:56:05,373 --> 00:56:09,333
Speaker 21: the next morning to cancel the credit card and then

1222
00:56:09,733 --> 00:56:12,213
Speaker 21: to my surprise, the ester still came through. So the

1223
00:56:12,333 --> 00:56:14,573
Speaker 21: issue was I was sort of going through a third

1224
00:56:14,613 --> 00:56:16,333
Speaker 21: party that has been applied to the ester for me,

1225
00:56:16,453 --> 00:56:20,333
Speaker 21: So it wasn't strictly a scam, but means yeah, I

1226
00:56:20,373 --> 00:56:21,573
Speaker 21: mean it still was.

1227
00:56:21,733 --> 00:56:23,773
Speaker 2: That that's quite a lot of money because yeah, that

1228
00:56:23,853 --> 00:56:26,333
Speaker 2: they pretend, because yeah, all they do is then fill

1229
00:56:26,333 --> 00:56:28,933
Speaker 2: out your ester for you from the information that you've taken,

1230
00:56:29,013 --> 00:56:30,053
Speaker 2: and then and then charge you.

1231
00:56:30,493 --> 00:56:30,692
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1232
00:56:30,733 --> 00:56:32,493
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people that have gone through this.

1233
00:56:32,853 --> 00:56:33,053
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1234
00:56:33,253 --> 00:56:35,653
Speaker 2: So the only one is the US Customs and Border

1235
00:56:35,733 --> 00:56:40,093
Speaker 2: Protection official site. I think it's ees T A dot C.

1236
00:56:40,653 --> 00:56:43,093
Speaker 2: See this is confusing as well, because that's your website

1237
00:56:43,093 --> 00:56:44,533
Speaker 2: for it. I'll just got a double check for every

1238
00:56:44,613 --> 00:56:46,172
Speaker 2: that hour. I'll just make sure I've got the right one.

1239
00:56:46,373 --> 00:56:48,453
Speaker 2: It's got a huge picture of the Statue of Liberty

1240
00:56:48,533 --> 00:56:52,213
Speaker 2: on there. It looks very official. It says the official

1241
00:56:52,253 --> 00:56:57,133
Speaker 2: website of the Department of Homeland Security. Yeah, I'll just

1242
00:56:57,173 --> 00:56:57,853
Speaker 2: make sure on that one.

1243
00:56:57,933 --> 00:57:00,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we'll double check and it was very sophisticated.

1244
00:57:01,293 --> 00:57:04,893
Speaker 2: With any consolation, you're one of many, many, many people

1245
00:57:05,013 --> 00:57:06,692
Speaker 2: who have been done by that scam, Glen.

1246
00:57:07,613 --> 00:57:10,733
Speaker 21: Yeah, and the only lesson from that is just always

1247
00:57:11,213 --> 00:57:13,813
Speaker 21: look for the link individually. Never just clicked through to

1248
00:57:13,973 --> 00:57:17,053
Speaker 21: link that tess clicky to apply because it's very easily done.

1249
00:57:17,253 --> 00:57:19,733
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, Glenn, thanks very much for giving us a

1250
00:57:19,773 --> 00:57:21,853
Speaker 3: bars and giving people a word of warning on that

1251
00:57:22,013 --> 00:57:23,533
Speaker 3: one the sextuses.

1252
00:57:23,573 --> 00:57:26,213
Speaker 2: I just heard that Tyler didn't vote. That's pathetic, no

1253
00:57:26,333 --> 00:57:29,613
Speaker 2: excuses for that. You're all talking no action, Tyler. You

1254
00:57:29,693 --> 00:57:31,653
Speaker 2: must be happy to follow all the time. You will

1255
00:57:31,693 --> 00:57:34,653
Speaker 2: follow someone over a cliff one day. I'm finished with

1256
00:57:34,773 --> 00:57:37,613
Speaker 2: your afternoon show, Gordon, because you didn't vote, Tyler, so.

1257
00:57:37,653 --> 00:57:40,893
Speaker 3: He's not actually finished like from Finland, he's finished.

1258
00:57:41,453 --> 00:57:43,813
Speaker 2: He's finished for your show, all right. I mean he

1259
00:57:43,973 --> 00:57:46,733
Speaker 2: enjoys Time's own and saunas.

1260
00:57:46,853 --> 00:57:48,413
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, good times. I love the finish.

1261
00:57:48,653 --> 00:57:49,733
Speaker 2: You're listening to Sauna. It's good.

1262
00:57:49,813 --> 00:57:51,573
Speaker 3: Can I just say though, I would follow someone off

1263
00:57:51,573 --> 00:57:53,573
Speaker 3: the cliff, but I did vote. That was that's Matt

1264
00:57:53,573 --> 00:57:55,493
Speaker 3: Heathy talking about their Gordon, tell.

1265
00:57:55,373 --> 00:57:58,253
Speaker 2: Your callers to go to the in New Zealand, travel

1266
00:57:58,333 --> 00:58:01,533
Speaker 2: requirements page and it has all the genuine government links

1267
00:58:01,573 --> 00:58:02,373
Speaker 2: to each website.

1268
00:58:02,653 --> 00:58:02,813
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1269
00:58:02,853 --> 00:58:04,053
Speaker 2: That's that's some good advice, isn't it.

1270
00:58:04,093 --> 00:58:04,973
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is a good tip.

1271
00:58:05,493 --> 00:58:06,053
Speaker 20: What what is?

1272
00:58:06,133 --> 00:58:11,093
Speaker 2: An est says this this text, So it's what you

1273
00:58:11,213 --> 00:58:14,093
Speaker 2: have to get into into it's a visa waiver system

1274
00:58:14,533 --> 00:58:16,813
Speaker 2: into the United States. That New Zealand has a deal

1275
00:58:16,853 --> 00:58:18,453
Speaker 2: with the United States where it's very easy for us

1276
00:58:18,493 --> 00:58:22,173
Speaker 2: to get in. Yes on this visa waiver for a

1277
00:58:22,293 --> 00:58:23,653
Speaker 2: three month visit there.

1278
00:58:23,773 --> 00:58:26,453
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the

1279
00:58:26,613 --> 00:58:28,893
Speaker 3: number to call scams. Have you been done over by

1280
00:58:28,933 --> 00:58:32,253
Speaker 3: a scam recently? And what we're the red flags you

1281
00:58:32,333 --> 00:58:34,333
Speaker 3: want to give our listeners a warning about.

1282
00:58:34,933 --> 00:58:41,533
Speaker 2: Yeah, because a scam shared is I'm looking for saying here,

1283
00:58:41,933 --> 00:58:45,333
Speaker 2: a scam shared is a person saved from that scam.

1284
00:58:45,333 --> 00:58:46,173
Speaker 2: I'm going to work on the same.

1285
00:58:46,293 --> 00:58:47,853
Speaker 3: That's pretty good. That's the bones of it.

1286
00:58:47,933 --> 00:58:51,933
Speaker 2: It's kind of like a problem shared as a problem solved. Yes,

1287
00:58:52,013 --> 00:58:55,773
Speaker 2: but it's something like a scam shared is a scam revealed?

1288
00:58:55,973 --> 00:58:56,173
Speaker 3: Yep?

1289
00:58:56,293 --> 00:58:56,613
Speaker 17: I like it.

1290
00:58:56,653 --> 00:58:59,333
Speaker 3: It's getting closer. It is bang on our bass headlines

1291
00:58:59,333 --> 00:59:01,293
Speaker 3: with Raylen then taking your calls on eight hundred and

1292
00:59:01,333 --> 00:59:02,173
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty.

1293
00:59:04,373 --> 00:59:07,893
Speaker 15: US talk z headlines with blue bubble taxis It's no

1294
00:59:08,013 --> 00:59:11,693
Speaker 15: Trump with a blue bubble. US President Donald Trump's left

1295
00:59:11,933 --> 00:59:15,853
Speaker 15: Washington for Tel Aviv, where he'll address Israel's government before

1296
00:59:15,933 --> 00:59:19,253
Speaker 15: co chairing a peace summit in Egypt. Hamas will start

1297
00:59:19,333 --> 00:59:22,773
Speaker 15: releasing hostages from six pm our time, which will be

1298
00:59:22,853 --> 00:59:27,773
Speaker 15: followed by returns of Palestinians. Fletcher Buildings issued a gloomy

1299
00:59:27,893 --> 00:59:32,133
Speaker 15: trading update, marked with trading slumps, market falls and low

1300
00:59:32,253 --> 00:59:35,333
Speaker 15: sales volumes. The company is now aiming for a further

1301
00:59:35,453 --> 00:59:40,293
Speaker 15: one hundred million dollars in cost cuts. Thousands more educators

1302
00:59:40,333 --> 00:59:44,573
Speaker 15: adjoining this month's wide ranging public sector strike. About thirteen

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Speaker 15: hundred area school teachers will walk off the job on

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Speaker 15: October twenty three. That's alongside health workers, nurses, and other teachers.

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Speaker 15: Tourism numbers are on the up, closing in on pre

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Speaker 15: COVID visitor numbers. Stat SUNSA data shows more than two

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Speaker 15: hundred and thirty thousand people arrived in August. That's an

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Speaker 15: increase of sixteen thousand on the year before. Police will

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Speaker 15: have a visit presents across Hawk's Bay over the next

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Speaker 15: few days, with two Gang TANGI taking place the small

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Speaker 15: business turning grief into art with Bespoke Earns. You can

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Speaker 15: see the story at ends at Herald Premium. Back now

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Speaker 15: to Matte Eath and Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Raylian. So we're talking about scams.

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01:00:25,653 --> 01:00:27,933
Speaker 3: If you've ever almost fallen for a scam, what were

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01:00:27,973 --> 01:00:30,493
Speaker 3: the red flags you spotted? This is after a New

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01:00:30,573 --> 01:00:34,733
Speaker 3: Zealand woman, Sadly, has found herself facing prison time after

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01:00:35,053 --> 01:00:38,293
Speaker 3: a romance scam ended up with her trying to smuggle

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01:00:38,373 --> 01:00:40,933
Speaker 3: methanphetamine into New Zealand. Sad said, case and I was

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01:00:41,053 --> 01:00:42,733
Speaker 3: trying to find a saying.

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Speaker 2: That fit what we were trying to do, and I

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01:00:44,533 --> 01:00:50,093
Speaker 2: struggled terribly. But the nine nine the text gen much

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01:00:50,093 --> 01:00:53,693
Speaker 2: smarter than me. I've come through, particularly Anita. A scam

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01:00:53,813 --> 01:00:54,933
Speaker 2: sheard is a scam.

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01:00:54,813 --> 01:00:58,213
Speaker 3: Beard clever, That is good, that is nice and succinct.

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Speaker 3: Yeah powerful.

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Speaker 2: So if you've been scammed, then tell us how so

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01:01:03,213 --> 01:01:04,933
Speaker 2: people can look out for the same scam and it

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01:01:04,973 --> 01:01:05,613
Speaker 2: doesn't happen to you.

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Speaker 3: Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

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01:01:08,093 --> 01:01:09,373
Speaker 3: of four all if you want to send a text

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01:01:09,613 --> 01:01:12,973
Speaker 3: nine two nine two, is that number, Shane, how are

1333
01:01:13,013 --> 01:01:15,893
Speaker 3: you this afternoon? Mate? Not too bad boys?

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01:01:15,933 --> 01:01:16,573
Speaker 2: Now are you guys?

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01:01:17,213 --> 01:01:17,573
Speaker 3: Very good?

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01:01:17,653 --> 01:01:20,413
Speaker 2: Thinks no problem?

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01:01:20,533 --> 01:01:23,293
Speaker 22: Had one therefore you, Matt, which was pretty similar to

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01:01:23,333 --> 01:01:25,453
Speaker 22: the last one, which is a scam shared?

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01:01:25,653 --> 01:01:26,653
Speaker 1: Is your money spared?

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01:01:27,933 --> 01:01:30,933
Speaker 2: That's good because I do like beard, But I think

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01:01:31,013 --> 01:01:32,973
Speaker 2: I think when you when you say a scam shared

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01:01:33,093 --> 01:01:34,653
Speaker 2: is a scam beard, it kind of might sound like

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01:01:34,693 --> 01:01:37,533
Speaker 2: it's a scam facial hair, like you've had a scam.

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01:01:38,533 --> 01:01:42,173
Speaker 2: You've got someone's wearing a fake beard or something easily misinterpreted. Yeah,

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01:01:42,173 --> 01:01:45,013
Speaker 2: that's my only problem. But yours was a scam shared

1346
01:01:45,093 --> 01:01:46,173
Speaker 2: as a scam? What did you say?

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01:01:47,213 --> 01:01:48,373
Speaker 22: I am scared?

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01:01:48,533 --> 01:01:50,053
Speaker 1: Is money spared?

1349
01:01:50,213 --> 01:01:50,893
Speaker 2: Is money spared?

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01:01:50,973 --> 01:01:51,173
Speaker 5: Yep?

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01:01:51,413 --> 01:01:53,813
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good. This is why they're doing it.

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01:01:53,853 --> 01:01:56,213
Speaker 22: And I have been scammed as well. I got scammed

1353
01:01:56,213 --> 01:01:58,973
Speaker 22: on Facebook or one of those Lovely buy Now it's

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01:01:58,973 --> 01:02:00,653
Speaker 22: a really cheap box and you're going to get a

1355
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Speaker 22: whole lot of stuff. And my daughter's laughed at me

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01:02:02,813 --> 01:02:05,133
Speaker 22: when I put my money in towards it. Next thing,

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01:02:05,173 --> 01:02:07,853
Speaker 22: you know, it turned up to be some broken little vessel.

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Speaker 1: That was good.

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01:02:11,013 --> 01:02:12,573
Speaker 3: That's an easy one though, you know, there's a lot

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Speaker 3: of trust involved. In that scam and you're hoping for

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Speaker 3: the best.

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Speaker 2: And so how much how much? How much had you

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01:02:17,773 --> 01:02:18,653
Speaker 2: parted with for this?

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Speaker 7: This?

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Speaker 5: And sixty dollars?

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Speaker 11: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, I mean that's that's not nothing, but it's

1368
01:02:25,093 --> 01:02:27,733
Speaker 2: at the lower end of you know, it's not life changing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you could write one off the way.

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Speaker 22: But they did keep taking money out of my visa

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Speaker 22: character three weeks three months.

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Speaker 2: Right, So did you manage to get the bank to

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01:02:39,213 --> 01:02:39,813
Speaker 2: cancel all.

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Speaker 22: Of it or just the stuff that I managed to

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01:02:42,333 --> 01:02:43,813
Speaker 22: get the bank to cancel all of it, but I

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01:02:43,893 --> 01:02:46,813
Speaker 22: didn't actually get any money back unfortunately. The rigmarole to

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Speaker 22: try and get their money back and everything else was

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01:02:48,973 --> 01:02:51,973
Speaker 22: a nightmare. And yeah, so I just kind of went o,

1379
01:02:52,053 --> 01:02:53,253
Speaker 22: well it's done.

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Speaker 3: Yeah that is he that back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but thank you for the Oh look at this

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01:02:58,853 --> 01:03:01,493
Speaker 2: a scam shared is a victim spirit sin's.

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Speaker 3: Pretty yeah, that's pretty good. You keep them coming through

1384
01:03:03,453 --> 01:03:09,213
Speaker 3: on nine two nine two, Brian, very good.

1385
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Speaker 20: How are you right?

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01:03:12,173 --> 01:03:14,773
Speaker 23: Here's a scam that's certainly dark at the moment.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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01:03:15,293 --> 01:03:20,453
Speaker 23: It starts off the faith ye've find a lottery us.

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01:03:21,973 --> 01:03:25,613
Speaker 23: Then they go off, we'll push after somebody else. But

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Speaker 23: you've got to do it through the hot time. All right, yep,

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01:03:29,933 --> 01:03:31,253
Speaker 23: Well I've been going through this.

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01:03:33,973 --> 01:03:35,413
Speaker 10: And this guy comes back.

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Speaker 3: Oh, Brian, we might come back to you, mate, because

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01:03:39,693 --> 01:03:40,933
Speaker 3: you've got a good story to tell. But we're just

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01:03:40,933 --> 01:03:42,613
Speaker 3: struggling to hear a little bit. So we'll put you

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Speaker 3: back to Andrew and we'll get you off that off

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01:03:45,933 --> 01:03:49,013
Speaker 3: that phone, and we'll come back to you. In the meantime,

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Speaker 3: keep those suggestions coming through on nine to nine two. Oh,

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Speaker 3: that's not bad. A scam shared is a scammer scared?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not bad. Yeah, we're geting it pretty good.

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01:03:59,533 --> 01:04:02,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty good. Oh, one hundred and eighteen eighty is

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01:04:02,373 --> 01:04:04,853
Speaker 3: the number to call as well. In the meantime, let's

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Speaker 3: go to Aaron. Aaron, have you been close to being

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01:04:08,533 --> 01:04:09,213
Speaker 3: scanned recently?

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01:04:09,253 --> 01:04:09,453
Speaker 10: Have you?

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01:04:11,093 --> 01:04:11,213
Speaker 4: Uh?

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01:04:11,413 --> 01:04:11,613
Speaker 7: Yeah?

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01:04:11,773 --> 01:04:11,933
Speaker 10: Yeah.

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01:04:12,173 --> 01:04:14,813
Speaker 24: We were looking for a dog and a dog came up.

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01:04:14,893 --> 01:04:17,773
Speaker 24: Wellington thought cool. They go, yeah, cool, we can put

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01:04:17,813 --> 01:04:22,733
Speaker 24: a deposit down in PayPal, thinking PayPal's pretty safe one

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01:04:22,773 --> 01:04:24,973
Speaker 24: of them, and the person at the other end was like,

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01:04:24,973 --> 01:04:26,333
Speaker 24: I just want to avoid the fees. Can you put

1414
01:04:26,333 --> 01:04:28,533
Speaker 24: it through his friends and family for nothing of it?

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01:04:28,653 --> 01:04:29,173
Speaker 2: Yep, cool.

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01:04:29,973 --> 01:04:31,213
Speaker 10: Put the payment through.

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01:04:32,693 --> 01:04:34,973
Speaker 24: The house that they gave the address for was a

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01:04:35,653 --> 01:04:42,013
Speaker 24: recently renovated and for sale house and the dog didn't exist.

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01:04:42,813 --> 01:04:45,373
Speaker 24: So got in touch with PayPal and they say, do

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01:04:45,413 --> 01:04:48,093
Speaker 24: you put it on friends and family? We give no

1421
01:04:48,253 --> 01:04:51,333
Speaker 24: point of recall through us, right, So.

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01:04:51,413 --> 01:04:53,333
Speaker 2: That's something to look out for friends and family.

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01:04:53,933 --> 01:04:56,653
Speaker 24: So I was lucky that the only thing connected to

1424
01:04:56,693 --> 01:04:58,933
Speaker 24: the PayPal was a credit card and I managed to

1425
01:04:59,013 --> 01:05:02,293
Speaker 24: get the money back through the credit card company. But

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01:05:03,093 --> 01:05:05,573
Speaker 24: it's people look at like I didn't even think that

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01:05:05,733 --> 01:05:08,853
Speaker 24: friends and family wasn't actually a safe way text payment.

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01:05:08,933 --> 01:05:10,013
Speaker 25: But we don't know the.

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01:05:10,053 --> 01:05:13,213
Speaker 2: Person there, we go, so a scam reported as a

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01:05:13,253 --> 01:05:15,493
Speaker 2: scam thwarted as this texture is just sent through so

1431
01:05:15,893 --> 01:05:16,653
Speaker 2: friends and family.

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01:05:16,933 --> 01:05:20,253
Speaker 24: Hopefully that saves a couple of other people from good.

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01:05:20,373 --> 01:05:22,253
Speaker 2: Good on your aron. Hey, so when you say it

1434
01:05:22,373 --> 01:05:24,533
Speaker 2: was so, what had you seen of the dog?

1435
01:05:27,293 --> 01:05:32,173
Speaker 24: It was just on It was on Facebook. I ended

1436
01:05:32,293 --> 01:05:34,333
Speaker 24: up traveling down the s I was already in Telpo.

1437
01:05:34,493 --> 01:05:34,693
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1438
01:05:34,733 --> 01:05:39,213
Speaker 24: I took off down to Wellington and turned up the address.

1439
01:05:39,333 --> 01:05:42,733
Speaker 24: You know it's a person. Uh, And they go, I

1440
01:05:42,853 --> 01:05:45,493
Speaker 24: told you you can't turn up till Sunday. It was Sunday,

1441
01:05:45,533 --> 01:05:47,093
Speaker 24: so they were in a different bloody country.

1442
01:05:47,333 --> 01:05:49,973
Speaker 3: Ah, yeah right, Yeah, that hurts.

1443
01:05:50,253 --> 01:05:51,973
Speaker 2: Say that's the whole thing, isn't it.

1444
01:05:52,413 --> 01:05:54,813
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that you just don't know.

1445
01:05:55,453 --> 01:05:58,373
Speaker 2: So someone someone overseas in some countries, like looking at

1446
01:05:58,413 --> 01:06:01,533
Speaker 2: little old, innocent, old New Zealand and someone that wants

1447
01:06:01,573 --> 01:06:03,293
Speaker 2: to get a dog, wants to get a family dog.

1448
01:06:03,413 --> 01:06:05,333
Speaker 2: It's a lovely thing, and they go, you know what,

1449
01:06:05,453 --> 01:06:06,813
Speaker 2: I'm going to scam this person?

1450
01:06:06,973 --> 01:06:09,733
Speaker 3: How psychopathic? Using dog? I've got to say, you know,

1451
01:06:09,973 --> 01:06:10,933
Speaker 3: dogs are the best of us.

1452
01:06:11,053 --> 01:06:11,253
Speaker 17: Yeah.

1453
01:06:11,453 --> 01:06:14,253
Speaker 26: Yeah, And then and then they message back to say,

1454
01:06:14,613 --> 01:06:18,013
Speaker 26: oh no, no, I'll get it to the airport. You've

1455
01:06:18,093 --> 01:06:20,653
Speaker 26: just got to pay for a thermal crate to transport it,

1456
01:06:21,333 --> 01:06:23,533
Speaker 26: and you get your money back, and it's fifty fourteen

1457
01:06:23,613 --> 01:06:25,053
Speaker 26: hundred dollars for the thermal crate.

1458
01:06:25,133 --> 01:06:26,813
Speaker 2: Ring tour mate.

1459
01:06:27,013 --> 01:06:27,813
Speaker 3: Nice try, buddy.

1460
01:06:30,733 --> 01:06:33,973
Speaker 2: Have you watched have you watched any of those those

1461
01:06:34,453 --> 01:06:36,293
Speaker 2: anti scammer channels on YouTube?

1462
01:06:37,813 --> 01:06:38,853
Speaker 5: No? No I haven't.

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01:06:39,573 --> 01:06:43,173
Speaker 2: They are the scammers get scammed. They're very satisfying. I

1464
01:06:43,213 --> 01:06:46,373
Speaker 2: imagined the cathartak for someone that's been scammed. Yeh, because

1465
01:06:46,413 --> 01:06:48,973
Speaker 2: they they turn it on the scum bags that are

1466
01:06:48,973 --> 01:06:50,733
Speaker 2: trying to scam people. You thanks so much for you

1467
01:06:50,813 --> 01:06:52,613
Speaker 2: call Aaron oh, hang on a minute, did you get

1468
01:06:52,613 --> 01:06:55,533
Speaker 2: a dog? Did you get a dog that in the end?

1469
01:06:55,853 --> 01:06:57,693
Speaker 26: Yep, Yeah, we end up getting a dog up and

1470
01:06:57,733 --> 01:07:00,093
Speaker 26: from the rare, and then we ended up with a

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01:07:00,173 --> 01:07:02,213
Speaker 26: second dog to keep that dog company when I couldn't

1472
01:07:02,213 --> 01:07:03,093
Speaker 26: take it to work anymore.

1473
01:07:03,413 --> 01:07:04,533
Speaker 3: Off in the way.

1474
01:07:04,693 --> 01:07:05,773
Speaker 2: That's that's that's.

1475
01:07:07,253 --> 01:07:08,293
Speaker 14: Cats arrived as well.

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01:07:08,333 --> 01:07:10,773
Speaker 19: Also, yeah, full house here there you go, all.

1477
01:07:10,733 --> 01:07:13,813
Speaker 3: Right, yeah very much, Jared Oh. Eight one hundred and

1478
01:07:13,813 --> 01:07:15,733
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is the number to call if you've

1479
01:07:15,773 --> 01:07:18,493
Speaker 3: recently come across as scam that either took it in

1480
01:07:19,733 --> 01:07:21,373
Speaker 3: or you managed to see the red flags. Would love

1481
01:07:21,413 --> 01:07:23,573
Speaker 3: to hear from you. Nine two niney two is the

1482
01:07:23,693 --> 01:07:24,213
Speaker 3: text number.

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01:07:24,373 --> 01:07:26,333
Speaker 2: The six says I lost half of everything in a

1484
01:07:26,413 --> 01:07:27,973
Speaker 2: scam called marriage.

1485
01:07:28,933 --> 01:07:30,093
Speaker 3: It's nineteen to three.

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01:07:31,133 --> 01:07:33,533
Speaker 1: The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun

1487
01:07:33,613 --> 01:07:37,813
Speaker 1: along the way. Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams afternoons ECUs talks.

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Speaker 3: They'd be afternoon to you. It's seventeen to three and

1489
01:07:41,013 --> 01:07:43,133
Speaker 3: we have been talking about scams. What were the red

1490
01:07:43,173 --> 01:07:45,293
Speaker 3: flags you noticed if you were taking them by a scam.

1491
01:07:45,293 --> 01:07:47,173
Speaker 3: I eight one hundred eighty ten eighty to number to call.

1492
01:07:47,213 --> 01:07:52,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's huge. I guess, disparity and scams. I

1493
01:07:52,253 --> 01:07:56,213
Speaker 2: mean this talk started with a woman got scammed to

1494
01:07:56,253 --> 01:08:00,493
Speaker 2: the point where she became a drug meal and you know,

1495
01:08:00,653 --> 01:08:04,493
Speaker 2: traveling with her clothes doused in myth anfetom.

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01:08:04,693 --> 01:08:06,013
Speaker 3: Yep, that's at the extreme end.

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01:08:06,333 --> 01:08:09,293
Speaker 2: Yeah. And at the other end there you pay a

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01:08:09,333 --> 01:08:12,373
Speaker 2: little bit for a dog deposit. Brian, welcome to the show. Hey,

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01:08:12,973 --> 01:08:14,893
Speaker 2: hopefully we've got a better line with you.

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01:08:16,693 --> 01:08:22,253
Speaker 3: Than I'm sorry, Brian. We're going to get you off

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01:08:22,293 --> 01:08:26,532
Speaker 3: that hands free. My friends, Bertie, how are you right?

1502
01:08:27,133 --> 01:08:27,293
Speaker 7: Hey?

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01:08:27,853 --> 01:08:32,293
Speaker 11: I yes, I have been scammed by marriage and other people.

1504
01:08:35,412 --> 01:08:35,893
Speaker 14: I like that.

1505
01:08:36,053 --> 01:08:41,333
Speaker 11: That was funny. But just a heads up though, someone

1506
01:08:41,452 --> 01:08:44,772
Speaker 11: told me after I got scammed, which is a really

1507
01:08:44,812 --> 01:08:48,852
Speaker 11: good precaution to take if you're buying stuff online, is

1508
01:08:49,173 --> 01:08:52,572
Speaker 11: just to use a bank account that you're using just

1509
01:08:52,692 --> 01:08:55,892
Speaker 11: to buy stuff online. So they put forty fifty dollars

1510
01:08:55,973 --> 01:09:00,812
Speaker 11: in it, and yes, and don't use your main bank account.

1511
01:09:01,492 --> 01:09:04,013
Speaker 2: Yes, so it can only be so your scam can

1512
01:09:04,093 --> 01:09:05,852
Speaker 2: only be a manageable size.

1513
01:09:06,652 --> 01:09:09,293
Speaker 11: Yeah, say up to fifty dollars, you know, and then

1514
01:09:09,692 --> 01:09:16,133
Speaker 11: you are not going to leave your main accounts thousand. Yeah. Really,

1515
01:09:16,173 --> 01:09:19,173
Speaker 11: got heads up for everybody out there, But I don't

1516
01:09:19,213 --> 01:09:23,333
Speaker 11: know whether you guys years ago, I'm going back a

1517
01:09:23,452 --> 01:09:27,293
Speaker 11: little while. There was a woman that worked for parliament

1518
01:09:27,532 --> 01:09:35,492
Speaker 11: and she found someone dating app as well, and her

1519
01:09:35,612 --> 01:09:38,412
Speaker 11: daughters told her, don't you know, oh, you should go

1520
01:09:38,492 --> 01:09:41,253
Speaker 11: out and find someone. She's lonely and on her own.

1521
01:09:41,973 --> 01:09:47,492
Speaker 11: And she met someone online and he strung her along

1522
01:09:47,772 --> 01:09:51,893
Speaker 11: and there was all these guys or people sitting in

1523
01:09:52,013 --> 01:09:57,213
Speaker 11: this room gaming getting on to people that wanted, you know,

1524
01:09:57,452 --> 01:10:01,652
Speaker 11: to meet someone. And she became a dragon mule too, and.

1525
01:10:01,853 --> 01:10:04,532
Speaker 3: She remember that why do we want to go?

1526
01:10:05,893 --> 01:10:10,333
Speaker 11: And I'll tell you what watching it because it was

1527
01:10:10,532 --> 01:10:14,492
Speaker 11: you know, it was real. It was a real eye

1528
01:10:14,532 --> 01:10:18,133
Speaker 11: opener what goes on behind the scenes and what they

1529
01:10:18,213 --> 01:10:20,652
Speaker 11: took her down to like she did. She ended up

1530
01:10:20,692 --> 01:10:23,333
Speaker 11: in prison too, but I don't know sort of what

1531
01:10:23,452 --> 01:10:24,173
Speaker 11: happened from there.

1532
01:10:24,293 --> 01:10:28,133
Speaker 2: But can you imagine Bertie, So you're looking for love,

1533
01:10:28,293 --> 01:10:31,053
Speaker 2: you think you found it then and then you end

1534
01:10:31,133 --> 01:10:35,532
Speaker 2: up in prison. You know, it's heartbreaking. And Henry who

1535
01:10:35,612 --> 01:10:38,812
Speaker 2: rang before, said, you know, he's got no sympathy. And

1536
01:10:39,253 --> 01:10:41,213
Speaker 2: there is a point if you know that that's what

1537
01:10:41,333 --> 01:10:43,452
Speaker 2: you're doing, you know, like some drug meals know that

1538
01:10:43,492 --> 01:10:45,452
Speaker 2: their drug meals and some drug meals don't know that

1539
01:10:45,492 --> 01:10:46,173
Speaker 2: their drug meals.

1540
01:10:46,293 --> 01:10:49,173
Speaker 11: Yeah, she was pretty convinced it was for real. She

1541
01:10:49,692 --> 01:10:51,532
Speaker 11: went off and bought a wedding He paid for a

1542
01:10:51,612 --> 01:10:55,532
Speaker 11: wedding dress for her, and it was all, yeah, it

1543
01:10:55,692 --> 01:10:58,293
Speaker 11: was really well done.

1544
01:10:58,652 --> 01:11:02,772
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, I was talking before Bertie about these YouTube

1545
01:11:02,853 --> 01:11:06,532
Speaker 2: channels online. There's one called Scammer Payback, and it's where

1546
01:11:06,612 --> 01:11:09,892
Speaker 2: these you know, they deploy the same horses against these scammers,

1547
01:11:09,933 --> 01:11:13,053
Speaker 2: because the scammers are officers with just as you say,

1548
01:11:13,133 --> 01:11:15,652
Speaker 2: there's they're like call centers. They've got desks and disks

1549
01:11:15,692 --> 01:11:18,133
Speaker 2: of people that go into work every day to try

1550
01:11:18,173 --> 01:11:21,692
Speaker 2: and scam people in other countries, right, and and so

1551
01:11:21,853 --> 01:11:27,053
Speaker 2: it's very satisfying to watch these scammer payback videos on

1552
01:11:27,253 --> 01:11:30,852
Speaker 2: YouTube because because because they put their voices through like

1553
01:11:30,933 --> 01:11:33,852
Speaker 2: a voice changer, so they sound like a vulnerable old

1554
01:11:33,973 --> 01:11:37,652
Speaker 2: lady and they and they and they lead the scammers

1555
01:11:37,692 --> 01:11:39,692
Speaker 2: on and waste as much time as they can, and

1556
01:11:39,812 --> 01:11:42,412
Speaker 2: then they hack into the scammers computers and then they

1557
01:11:42,452 --> 01:11:44,532
Speaker 2: start taking things from the scammers.

1558
01:11:44,612 --> 01:11:46,772
Speaker 3: It's so good and the scammers just great.

1559
01:11:47,492 --> 01:11:50,333
Speaker 2: It's it's good to watch, but it's scary to see

1560
01:11:50,372 --> 01:11:52,372
Speaker 2: the operations, because when they hack in, they start they

1561
01:11:52,492 --> 01:11:55,052
Speaker 2: they even go far as to hacking into the scammers

1562
01:11:56,572 --> 01:11:59,253
Speaker 2: cameras on their on their computers, and then so they

1563
01:11:59,492 --> 01:12:01,412
Speaker 2: then eventually turn around them so a picture of the

1564
01:12:01,452 --> 01:12:04,932
Speaker 2: scammer to themselves exactly where they're located. That's good, it's

1565
01:12:04,973 --> 01:12:05,412
Speaker 2: good stuff.

1566
01:12:05,532 --> 01:12:06,652
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's addictive.

1567
01:12:06,652 --> 01:12:07,293
Speaker 2: They'll be careful.

1568
01:12:07,732 --> 01:12:13,012
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, Moning Bertie Mark. How are you this afternoon?

1569
01:12:14,412 --> 01:12:14,932
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm good.

1570
01:12:14,973 --> 01:12:18,852
Speaker 3: Guys, how are you very good? You recently got involved

1571
01:12:18,893 --> 01:12:19,253
Speaker 3: in a scam?

1572
01:12:19,372 --> 01:12:19,732
Speaker 5: Is that right?

1573
01:12:21,173 --> 01:12:21,213
Speaker 7: No?

1574
01:12:21,492 --> 01:12:25,532
Speaker 25: This actually date's quite a while back. Me and my

1575
01:12:25,652 --> 01:12:27,732
Speaker 25: wife were in New York and we've just been to

1576
01:12:27,772 --> 01:12:30,133
Speaker 25: one of the major department schools there in New York.

1577
01:12:30,173 --> 01:12:34,452
Speaker 25: And then as we're walking out, very well, just undressed,

1578
01:12:34,452 --> 01:12:37,933
Speaker 25: African American man approached us. He had a suit and

1579
01:12:37,973 --> 01:12:39,973
Speaker 25: a tie loo immaculate. He said, I saw you in

1580
01:12:40,013 --> 01:12:42,772
Speaker 25: there looking at jewelry, and we said, here we were,

1581
01:12:42,812 --> 01:12:45,333
Speaker 25: And he opened up this briefcase and here was all

1582
01:12:45,412 --> 01:12:50,333
Speaker 25: this beautiful gold jewelry, big bracelets and gold nicklaces. And

1583
01:12:50,732 --> 01:12:53,612
Speaker 25: I always wanted a gold necklace and he showed us

1584
01:12:53,692 --> 01:12:56,973
Speaker 25: them and it had the department store that we've just

1585
01:12:57,133 --> 01:12:59,692
Speaker 25: been in all the price tags and all on them,

1586
01:13:00,093 --> 01:13:01,333
Speaker 25: and I'm like, where do you get this from me?

1587
01:13:01,372 --> 01:13:02,892
Speaker 25: He goes, I go on there and I steal them,

1588
01:13:04,853 --> 01:13:07,772
Speaker 25: steal them, right, So I bought a big gold Nicholas

1589
01:13:07,853 --> 01:13:10,972
Speaker 25: and my I pot a beautiful gold bracelet. Then two

1590
01:13:11,053 --> 01:13:12,772
Speaker 25: days later I was in the shower and the things

1591
01:13:12,812 --> 01:13:16,532
Speaker 25: started going green. When he started gray and green.

1592
01:13:16,612 --> 01:13:20,652
Speaker 18: It was all fake goldma, all fake gold.

1593
01:13:20,692 --> 01:13:22,932
Speaker 25: And we paid about three four hundred dollars a year

1594
01:13:23,013 --> 01:13:23,293
Speaker 25: for them.

1595
01:13:24,893 --> 01:13:27,412
Speaker 2: Mark. So when he said, do you see where do

1596
01:13:27,452 --> 01:13:33,213
Speaker 2: you get them from? The cities stole them so you

1597
01:13:33,412 --> 01:13:35,372
Speaker 2: willingly received stolen goods there, Mark?

1598
01:13:36,612 --> 01:13:37,932
Speaker 25: Yeah, yeah in America?

1599
01:13:38,173 --> 01:13:40,532
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, all right, so right, because it wasn't your

1600
01:13:40,532 --> 01:13:42,492
Speaker 2: own country. You thought I didn't care about this department.

1601
01:13:42,532 --> 01:13:44,092
Speaker 2: Still I don't care about the soul situation.

1602
01:13:44,213 --> 01:13:48,173
Speaker 25: Yeah yeah, I mean I did get sorry, Yeah you

1603
01:13:48,333 --> 01:13:51,972
Speaker 25: go you go finish, Yeah I did. I did get scammed.

1604
01:13:52,372 --> 01:13:54,892
Speaker 25: Once off Team you, me and my wife are looking

1605
01:13:54,973 --> 01:13:59,612
Speaker 25: for a beautiful new do they sit. So we looked

1606
01:13:59,652 --> 01:14:01,892
Speaker 25: on Team you found this nice but beautiful doubt set,

1607
01:14:02,412 --> 01:14:05,333
Speaker 25: beautiful blue and silver and that. So we bought that.

1608
01:14:06,053 --> 01:14:09,253
Speaker 25: Waited about four weeks or whatever, took this big box

1609
01:14:09,372 --> 01:14:11,972
Speaker 25: arrived and when we opened up, the box was full

1610
01:14:12,013 --> 01:14:15,333
Speaker 25: of paper, and then we got rid of all the paper.

1611
01:14:15,492 --> 01:14:21,772
Speaker 25: Inside was a little box ring side box. Inside was

1612
01:14:21,812 --> 01:14:25,333
Speaker 25: a ring, a plastic ring, right, No.

1613
01:14:25,492 --> 01:14:27,532
Speaker 3: Do I mean that's there's classical.

1614
01:14:30,572 --> 01:14:32,892
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go. See. But the problem is Mark,

1615
01:14:32,893 --> 01:14:38,132
Speaker 2: because you because you, because you bought a gold necklace

1616
01:14:38,173 --> 01:14:40,772
Speaker 2: of someone that said that's stolen it. Yeh, Then then

1617
01:14:40,812 --> 01:14:42,412
Speaker 2: your moral high ground has disappeared.

1618
01:14:42,572 --> 01:14:45,652
Speaker 3: It's a great gambit from the scammer itself, because I mean,

1619
01:14:45,772 --> 01:14:47,732
Speaker 3: you're brutally honest saying, yeah, I've stolen this, so you

1620
01:14:47,812 --> 01:14:48,812
Speaker 3: think it's the real deal.

1621
01:14:49,853 --> 01:14:53,333
Speaker 2: Hey, people say you should watch the Jason Stathan move

1622
01:14:53,372 --> 01:14:57,572
Speaker 2: of The Beekeeper, a very good busting a scam ring.

1623
01:14:58,213 --> 01:15:02,453
Speaker 2: You should watch The bee Keeper. Yeah, it's very satisfying.

1624
01:15:03,213 --> 01:15:03,812
Speaker 3: I haven't seen it.

1625
01:15:04,013 --> 01:15:06,492
Speaker 2: I love Jason Statham and I love his movies, great

1626
01:15:06,532 --> 01:15:09,253
Speaker 2: action movies, and this one's a fantastic It's just the

1627
01:15:09,333 --> 01:15:12,612
Speaker 2: pure exactly what you'd expect for Adjason Stathan movie. But

1628
01:15:13,412 --> 01:15:16,293
Speaker 2: there's an old woman that he's working for as a beekeeper, right,

1629
01:15:16,372 --> 01:15:19,333
Speaker 2: and she gets scammed of everything, and and but he's

1630
01:15:19,372 --> 01:15:24,492
Speaker 2: an ex you know, undercover operative and heavily trained John

1631
01:15:24,572 --> 01:15:28,053
Speaker 2: wickstyle person, and so he decides to just go and

1632
01:15:28,173 --> 01:15:29,612
Speaker 2: get revenge on these scammers.

1633
01:15:29,812 --> 01:15:32,973
Speaker 3: Sounds amazing, it's it's very satisfying. Yeah, I love it

1634
01:15:32,973 --> 01:15:35,293
Speaker 3: all right. It there's nine two three taking your calls

1635
01:15:35,333 --> 01:15:37,692
Speaker 3: on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you've been

1636
01:15:37,772 --> 01:15:40,692
Speaker 3: scammed recently, what are the red flags you wish people

1637
01:15:40,692 --> 01:15:41,333
Speaker 3: would know about?

1638
01:15:41,492 --> 01:15:43,732
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm not suggesting you go full stath them

1639
01:15:43,772 --> 01:15:44,412
Speaker 2: on these scammers.

1640
01:15:44,532 --> 01:15:46,692
Speaker 3: Well, if you want to, if you've got the skills, well,

1641
01:15:46,853 --> 01:15:47,692
Speaker 3: you know, he.

1642
01:15:47,772 --> 01:15:50,492
Speaker 2: Killed a lot of people in but he did the

1643
01:15:50,652 --> 01:15:51,173
Speaker 2: issues that.

1644
01:15:51,253 --> 01:15:53,532
Speaker 1: Affect you and a bit of fun along the way.

1645
01:15:53,812 --> 01:15:57,133
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons News TALKSB.

1646
01:15:58,253 --> 01:16:00,652
Speaker 3: News TALKSB. It is six to three.

1647
01:16:01,812 --> 01:16:02,732
Speaker 2: Marty, welcome to the show.

1648
01:16:04,213 --> 01:16:05,213
Speaker 10: Oh how are you mate?

1649
01:16:05,732 --> 01:16:07,772
Speaker 2: Very good? So you got you got scammed?

1650
01:16:09,293 --> 01:16:09,492
Speaker 22: Yeah?

1651
01:16:09,692 --> 01:16:13,532
Speaker 10: So I thought I was buying an electric golf trunler

1652
01:16:13,612 --> 01:16:14,612
Speaker 10: through Ali Baba.

1653
01:16:15,492 --> 01:16:15,973
Speaker 7: Yeah, and.

1654
01:16:18,093 --> 01:16:21,892
Speaker 10: Significantly cheaper than the electric golf cuts and the golf

1655
01:16:21,933 --> 01:16:26,692
Speaker 10: stores here. And the guy said, oh, let's go have

1656
01:16:26,772 --> 01:16:30,692
Speaker 10: a chat on WhatsApp, And so we had a chat

1657
01:16:30,732 --> 01:16:33,612
Speaker 10: on WhatsApp and then they started sending me their bank details.

1658
01:16:33,772 --> 01:16:35,372
Speaker 10: Once we had agreed on a price and stuff in

1659
01:16:35,412 --> 01:16:39,133
Speaker 10: the white like, stayed through Ali Baba because you'll have

1660
01:16:39,293 --> 01:16:42,972
Speaker 10: some sort of recourse if it goes wrong. But of course,

1661
01:16:43,452 --> 01:16:47,973
Speaker 10: in my wisdom, I stayed on WhatsApp and sent the

1662
01:16:48,013 --> 01:16:52,173
Speaker 10: money to a US bank account, and then they sent

1663
01:16:52,293 --> 01:16:57,372
Speaker 10: me some curier updates, you know, the golf cuts now

1664
01:16:57,492 --> 01:17:00,133
Speaker 10: in this country, And a couple of days later they

1665
01:17:00,213 --> 01:17:02,772
Speaker 10: send me an update that's now in this country. And

1666
01:17:02,853 --> 01:17:06,053
Speaker 10: then finally it got to Fiji and they wanted me

1667
01:17:06,133 --> 01:17:12,013
Speaker 10: to pay the Fiji custom and yeah, went off in

1668
01:17:12,093 --> 01:17:12,372
Speaker 10: the head.

1669
01:17:12,612 --> 01:17:13,213
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah.

1670
01:17:14,173 --> 01:17:18,532
Speaker 2: And so obviously this this thing never ever turned up.

1671
01:17:19,572 --> 01:17:21,692
Speaker 10: Never turned up. And the moral of the story is

1672
01:17:21,973 --> 01:17:26,812
Speaker 10: stay on the yeah platform, yes, and and and listen

1673
01:17:26,893 --> 01:17:27,772
Speaker 10: to your wife always.

1674
01:17:27,893 --> 01:17:28,093
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1675
01:17:28,173 --> 01:17:30,932
Speaker 3: Yeah, good advice. As someone who loves a bargain, Marty,

1676
01:17:30,933 --> 01:17:33,372
Speaker 3: I feel your pain because, as I was saying to you, Matt,

1677
01:17:33,452 --> 01:17:35,492
Speaker 3: I fell for a scam with some hiking boots and

1678
01:17:35,532 --> 01:17:37,532
Speaker 3: it was a good discount and went to Google it

1679
01:17:37,692 --> 01:17:39,972
Speaker 3: and went into the site and purchased what I thought

1680
01:17:40,013 --> 01:17:42,053
Speaker 3: were hiking boots and turned out it was just a

1681
01:17:42,093 --> 01:17:44,692
Speaker 3: mirror site, and the scammers took that money and it

1682
01:17:44,772 --> 01:17:46,652
Speaker 3: was only me to blame for looking for a good discount.

1683
01:17:46,732 --> 01:17:50,652
Speaker 2: Now, Marty, with your wife giving you that very sage

1684
01:17:50,692 --> 01:17:53,692
Speaker 2: advice that you didn't take, has she she told you so?

1685
01:17:54,452 --> 01:17:56,372
Speaker 2: Has she has?

1686
01:17:56,452 --> 01:17:56,492
Speaker 14: She?

1687
01:17:57,772 --> 01:18:01,652
Speaker 10: I constantly get reminded of my mistakes from twenty years ago.

1688
01:18:01,812 --> 01:18:06,532
Speaker 2: So she's got the she's got a whole dossier on you.

1689
01:18:07,013 --> 01:18:08,133
Speaker 3: That's the price you paid, Marty.

1690
01:18:08,893 --> 01:18:11,492
Speaker 2: Yeah, you keep giving, keep giving her things to add

1691
01:18:11,532 --> 01:18:11,692
Speaker 2: to it.

1692
01:18:11,772 --> 01:18:13,772
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you very much. Right, we're going to carry

1693
01:18:13,812 --> 01:18:15,732
Speaker 3: this on just after three o'clock because we're going to

1694
01:18:15,772 --> 01:18:18,333
Speaker 3: have a chat to a guy called Neville who sadly

1695
01:18:18,412 --> 01:18:21,372
Speaker 3: lost three hundred thousand dollars through a dating site scam.

1696
01:18:21,532 --> 01:18:23,572
Speaker 3: So there, Yeah, that is big. So we're going to

1697
01:18:23,652 --> 01:18:25,852
Speaker 3: have a chat to him after three o'clock. But taking

1698
01:18:25,893 --> 01:18:27,532
Speaker 3: your calls. O eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty

1699
01:18:27,612 --> 01:18:31,093
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety two is the text number scams. If you've

1700
01:18:31,133 --> 01:18:34,253
Speaker 3: been scammed recently? What the red flags you want people

1701
01:18:34,293 --> 01:18:35,093
Speaker 3: to know about.

1702
01:18:37,492 --> 01:18:41,812
Speaker 1: Your new home for? Instateful and Entertaining Talk, It's Mattie

1703
01:18:42,053 --> 01:18:45,572
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk Sevy.

1704
01:18:46,532 --> 01:18:49,412
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon, cheer. It is six par three. Hope

1705
01:18:49,412 --> 01:18:52,333
Speaker 3: your Monday afternoon is going. While we're heavy listening in

1706
01:18:52,452 --> 01:18:54,492
Speaker 3: the country, we have been talking about scam. So it

1707
01:18:54,612 --> 01:18:57,012
Speaker 3: was on the back of a story that is becoming

1708
01:18:57,053 --> 01:18:58,852
Speaker 3: more and more common. A woman fell victim to a

1709
01:18:58,973 --> 01:19:02,093
Speaker 3: romance romance scam and she found herself in the very,

1710
01:19:02,253 --> 01:19:05,452
Speaker 3: very sad situation where she was caught attempting to smuggle

1711
01:19:05,492 --> 01:19:09,253
Speaker 3: methanephetamine into New Zealand. She was duped into believing she

1712
01:19:09,412 --> 01:19:11,852
Speaker 3: was helping a love interest and need only to discover

1713
01:19:12,013 --> 01:19:16,612
Speaker 3: she was unknowingly involved in this transnational drug trafficking operation.

1714
01:19:17,412 --> 01:19:18,933
Speaker 3: Incredibly sad. Damn it.

1715
01:19:19,293 --> 01:19:22,213
Speaker 2: I've forgotten the rhyme that we decided was the best

1716
01:19:22,293 --> 01:19:24,013
Speaker 2: rhyme because what we're doing here today is it was

1717
01:19:24,053 --> 01:19:27,492
Speaker 2: a scam. A scam shared is a scam Beard.

1718
01:19:28,053 --> 01:19:30,093
Speaker 3: That's where it started. And then I think it was

1719
01:19:30,173 --> 01:19:33,372
Speaker 3: Shane who rang up who said a scam shared is

1720
01:19:33,532 --> 01:19:37,412
Speaker 3: money spared, Yeah, which was pretty good, which was what

1721
01:19:37,572 --> 01:19:40,492
Speaker 3: what was that? Andrew your money spared?

1722
01:19:40,532 --> 01:19:41,972
Speaker 2: Okay? Yeah, So that's what we're trying to do. We're

1723
01:19:41,973 --> 01:19:44,492
Speaker 2: trying to share scam so people can can look out

1724
01:19:44,732 --> 01:19:50,412
Speaker 2: look out for them. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty Neville, Hello,

1725
01:19:51,213 --> 01:19:54,812
Speaker 2: thanks for calling in. So you've got a quite a

1726
01:19:54,973 --> 01:19:56,012
Speaker 2: quite a shocking story.

1727
01:19:57,053 --> 01:19:59,652
Speaker 12: Oh, yes, I have. I don't actually know where to

1728
01:19:59,772 --> 01:20:06,053
Speaker 12: start with it. I'm going to start with, sir. I

1729
01:20:06,173 --> 01:20:10,412
Speaker 12: realized it was getting scammed by my ex. Initially I

1730
01:20:10,532 --> 01:20:13,452
Speaker 12: lost a fair bit of money, one hundreds of thousands.

1731
01:20:14,772 --> 01:20:16,892
Speaker 12: And then but the real scamming happened when I got

1732
01:20:16,973 --> 01:20:19,652
Speaker 12: separated and I got paid out for my house and

1733
01:20:19,893 --> 01:20:23,772
Speaker 12: I lost go to invest my money to actually by

1734
01:20:24,213 --> 01:20:29,932
Speaker 12: buy a house, and that in that part of a deal,

1735
01:20:30,173 --> 01:20:35,213
Speaker 12: I lost over three hundred thousand dollars. And then I

1736
01:20:35,333 --> 01:20:38,452
Speaker 12: was on dating sites and I had women who were

1737
01:20:38,532 --> 01:20:42,532
Speaker 12: trying to get my money back from scammers, and they

1738
01:20:42,572 --> 01:20:48,452
Speaker 12: were scammers themselves and I lost. The latest version was

1739
01:20:48,692 --> 01:20:51,932
Speaker 12: that I lost a couple of thousand earlier this year.

1740
01:20:53,013 --> 01:20:56,852
Speaker 12: I was placed to put it in through to buy

1741
01:20:58,333 --> 01:21:04,372
Speaker 12: to test the system out in a cryptocurrency exchange, and

1742
01:21:05,293 --> 01:21:09,172
Speaker 12: the address I was given was obviously there bank account.

1743
01:21:10,133 --> 01:21:13,293
Speaker 12: That's where it finished. And we had a couple of

1744
01:21:13,372 --> 01:21:19,173
Speaker 12: conversations even and one there was two women, two women.

1745
01:21:19,253 --> 01:21:22,692
Speaker 12: At that point, I've had guys who said they were guys.

1746
01:21:22,772 --> 01:21:26,572
Speaker 12: Who knows that who they were, Well, some of them

1747
01:21:26,652 --> 01:21:30,612
Speaker 12: were I've still got phone numbers of these people. You

1748
01:21:30,692 --> 01:21:33,293
Speaker 12: can't bring them back. And then try that it just

1749
01:21:33,372 --> 01:21:33,652
Speaker 12: goes to.

1750
01:21:33,692 --> 01:21:36,253
Speaker 2: It never never, What was the first How did the

1751
01:21:36,333 --> 01:21:38,772
Speaker 2: first scam go down with your ex?

1752
01:21:39,093 --> 01:21:39,133
Speaker 23: Was?

1753
01:21:39,173 --> 01:21:39,213
Speaker 10: That?

1754
01:21:39,412 --> 01:21:39,532
Speaker 7: Was that?

1755
01:21:39,652 --> 01:21:40,172
Speaker 2: What happened?

1756
01:21:40,173 --> 01:21:43,732
Speaker 12: It was around property, well around property were we were

1757
01:21:43,772 --> 01:21:49,093
Speaker 12: into buying and selling property, and and the the money

1758
01:21:49,173 --> 01:21:54,372
Speaker 12: that we're making didn't come into back into the accounted

1759
01:21:54,412 --> 01:21:55,972
Speaker 12: again and then.

1760
01:21:56,652 --> 01:21:56,933
Speaker 18: And so.

1761
01:21:59,053 --> 01:22:02,893
Speaker 12: At one point I said about where's the money? And

1762
01:22:03,652 --> 01:22:06,812
Speaker 12: she got really angry, and so I said, and I

1763
01:22:06,973 --> 01:22:09,372
Speaker 12: just left it. I didn't push it, but I was

1764
01:22:09,412 --> 01:22:12,013
Speaker 12: still married to her at that point. And then a

1765
01:22:12,053 --> 01:22:14,572
Speaker 12: few other things happened and ended up in a divorce.

1766
01:22:15,253 --> 01:22:18,053
Speaker 12: So but then and then then I got paid out

1767
01:22:18,412 --> 01:22:22,772
Speaker 12: of my share of the house at that point. That

1768
01:22:22,933 --> 01:22:27,172
Speaker 12: was about four or five years ago now, And yeah.

1769
01:22:27,692 --> 01:22:30,852
Speaker 2: And so what are you what are you learning around scamming?

1770
01:22:31,213 --> 01:22:32,372
Speaker 2: So you said that there was a bit of a

1771
01:22:32,452 --> 01:22:35,893
Speaker 2: crypto situation. Are you have you are you learning to,

1772
01:22:36,973 --> 01:22:40,852
Speaker 2: you know, look into these things, to investigate and not

1773
01:22:40,973 --> 01:22:42,892
Speaker 2: be involved in areas that aren't solid.

1774
01:22:44,253 --> 01:22:49,532
Speaker 12: You know, I'd taken a different stance because all the

1775
01:22:49,572 --> 01:22:51,732
Speaker 12: phone calls if I get them now, I haven't had

1776
01:22:51,772 --> 01:22:55,572
Speaker 12: one for about two months. But the last one I

1777
01:22:55,732 --> 01:22:58,852
Speaker 12: got there was okay, I'll go back a couple of

1778
01:22:58,933 --> 01:23:03,052
Speaker 12: scammers ago last year or the year before.

1779
01:23:04,093 --> 01:23:04,732
Speaker 17: They were a couple of.

1780
01:23:04,772 --> 01:23:07,213
Speaker 12: Women who were going to get my money back. That's

1781
01:23:07,213 --> 01:23:09,053
Speaker 12: when I lost the money earlier this year.

1782
01:23:09,412 --> 01:23:10,812
Speaker 2: So they were going to get your money back from

1783
01:23:10,853 --> 01:23:11,652
Speaker 2: a previous scam.

1784
01:23:12,572 --> 01:23:14,852
Speaker 12: Yeah, because I said there are people that are a

1785
01:23:14,933 --> 01:23:20,612
Speaker 12: company in Europe and they said they worked for some

1786
01:23:20,853 --> 01:23:22,932
Speaker 12: place up near Switzerland or somewhere.

1787
01:23:23,532 --> 01:23:27,612
Speaker 3: Did they get in touch with you, Nivel, Yes, so

1788
01:23:27,692 --> 01:23:29,532
Speaker 3: that that would have been I mean, looking back, there's

1789
01:23:29,572 --> 01:23:31,972
Speaker 3: quite a big red flag there, right, is that you've

1790
01:23:32,053 --> 01:23:34,132
Speaker 3: lost or he lost this money to the first scammer.

1791
01:23:34,612 --> 01:23:37,652
Speaker 3: Then out of the blue Dove contacted. We can happen.

1792
01:23:37,973 --> 01:23:39,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you think they were the same person? Do

1793
01:23:40,013 --> 01:23:41,692
Speaker 2: you think they were potentially the same people?

1794
01:23:41,853 --> 01:23:45,213
Speaker 12: And you don't know, You don't know because scammers are

1795
01:23:45,333 --> 01:23:49,933
Speaker 12: they're a big business. And so one of the scammers

1796
01:23:50,173 --> 01:23:52,293
Speaker 12: that was I was talking to a couple of years ago.

1797
01:23:52,853 --> 01:23:57,012
Speaker 12: You could hear they are in London and they.

1798
01:23:57,253 --> 01:23:58,612
Speaker 2: Could you hear that in London? Do you hear big

1799
01:23:58,652 --> 01:23:59,652
Speaker 2: being in the background or something?

1800
01:24:01,173 --> 01:24:02,812
Speaker 12: You could hear all these noises, and he said he

1801
01:24:02,933 --> 01:24:06,372
Speaker 12: was from London, right, right, right. And I even had

1802
01:24:06,412 --> 01:24:08,692
Speaker 12: a photograph of a car he went to many to

1803
01:24:08,732 --> 01:24:18,013
Speaker 12: buy a particular Mercedes, a very a well known but

1804
01:24:18,893 --> 01:24:21,732
Speaker 12: not a very not very many were produced, and they

1805
01:24:21,812 --> 01:24:23,972
Speaker 12: got I got photos of it, and I even tried

1806
01:24:24,013 --> 01:24:28,893
Speaker 12: to ring up the police department in the UK, and

1807
01:24:29,253 --> 01:24:31,812
Speaker 12: I got onto some civilian side of it, and they

1808
01:24:31,853 --> 01:24:34,333
Speaker 12: couldn't put me through because I had evidence of where

1809
01:24:34,372 --> 01:24:36,852
Speaker 12: the of the car report which they could track it

1810
01:24:36,973 --> 01:24:39,932
Speaker 12: down to who owned it. I couldn't even get through

1811
01:24:40,013 --> 01:24:42,133
Speaker 12: the police. And I tried that, but.

1812
01:24:42,492 --> 01:24:43,773
Speaker 2: Very hard when it's all overseas.

1813
01:24:44,853 --> 01:24:51,412
Speaker 12: Yeah, And and anyway, the time went on and these

1814
01:24:51,532 --> 01:24:55,693
Speaker 12: people had I had lawyers, supposedly lawyers who were scammers

1815
01:24:55,812 --> 01:24:58,812
Speaker 12: in America and stuff, trying to get my money back.

1816
01:24:58,933 --> 01:25:02,212
Speaker 2: And so you've had this, you've had this. These horrible

1817
01:25:02,372 --> 01:25:05,053
Speaker 2: things happened to you. But what I'm really my question

1818
01:25:05,133 --> 01:25:08,213
Speaker 2: for you and Nevels, how are you approaching things now?

1819
01:25:08,492 --> 01:25:10,852
Speaker 2: Because you've been burnt so many times? Have you got

1820
01:25:11,053 --> 01:25:13,772
Speaker 2: a few ideas in your place where you're you know,

1821
01:25:13,933 --> 01:25:19,612
Speaker 2: potentially not going into online business deals those kind of things.

1822
01:25:20,812 --> 01:25:24,013
Speaker 12: Yeah, it was never online though, they're always ringing me up.

1823
01:25:24,412 --> 01:25:26,732
Speaker 12: The first part was I was looking online to go

1824
01:25:26,933 --> 01:25:30,372
Speaker 12: to invest money, but now they ring me up. Yeah,

1825
01:25:30,532 --> 01:25:34,253
Speaker 12: but the last couple of ones have been about there

1826
01:25:34,333 --> 01:25:38,013
Speaker 12: being women and so okay, I lost a couple of

1827
01:25:38,093 --> 01:25:41,973
Speaker 12: hours earlier this year. Just the latest ones have been women's.

1828
01:25:42,492 --> 01:25:44,852
Speaker 2: I think you've just got to not you know. You

1829
01:25:45,013 --> 01:25:48,732
Speaker 2: now know that those phone calls and those offers online

1830
01:25:48,933 --> 01:25:53,852
Speaker 2: and the ones that are coming through unsolicited are scan right, Yeah,

1831
01:25:53,853 --> 01:25:54,492
Speaker 2: they're just scanned.

1832
01:25:55,612 --> 01:25:57,852
Speaker 12: I side tracked the whole conversation if you're a woman

1833
01:25:58,492 --> 01:26:00,933
Speaker 12: and I get into a sexual mode and then the

1834
01:26:01,053 --> 01:26:04,612
Speaker 12: last one hung up on me. So that's what that's

1835
01:26:04,772 --> 01:26:09,053
Speaker 12: my that's my hell. I'm dealing with them, but I

1836
01:26:09,133 --> 01:26:11,492
Speaker 12: haven't had one for about two months now, right, Well,

1837
01:26:11,612 --> 01:26:12,133
Speaker 12: and thanks for.

1838
01:26:12,093 --> 01:26:12,772
Speaker 2: You call, Neville.

1839
01:26:12,812 --> 01:26:13,572
Speaker 17: But just.

1840
01:26:15,372 --> 01:26:18,333
Speaker 3: Yes, anyone's ringing yet saying I've got got a business

1841
01:26:18,372 --> 01:26:20,093
Speaker 3: deal for you, Neville, just hang up on them, get

1842
01:26:20,133 --> 01:26:23,532
Speaker 3: a whistle. I don't know. I mean, that's hard.

1843
01:26:23,732 --> 01:26:27,572
Speaker 2: If you're being scammed by people around a previous scam,

1844
01:26:28,492 --> 01:26:32,612
Speaker 2: then you are in some kind of a scam inception situation. Yeah,

1845
01:26:32,933 --> 01:26:37,333
Speaker 2: and when that happens, there's a good chance that the

1846
01:26:37,372 --> 01:26:39,933
Speaker 2: scammers are running both sides of the situation. Yeah, just

1847
01:26:40,372 --> 01:26:40,852
Speaker 2: get off the.

1848
01:26:40,853 --> 01:26:43,093
Speaker 3: Phone, Nevill or the beast here, my friend. But thanks

1849
01:26:43,093 --> 01:26:45,412
Speaker 3: for even a yak, and there'll be people listening that hopefully,

1850
01:26:45,572 --> 01:26:47,773
Speaker 3: hopefully will learn a bit from your experience.

1851
01:26:47,933 --> 01:26:49,532
Speaker 2: And if you got any advice for Nevill, Oh eight

1852
01:26:49,652 --> 01:26:50,652
Speaker 2: hundred eighty ten eighty.

1853
01:26:50,612 --> 01:26:53,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, please come on through. It is quarter past three,

1854
01:26:53,812 --> 01:26:55,692
Speaker 3: back very shortly. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

1855
01:26:55,772 --> 01:26:58,093
Speaker 3: is the number to call us? Talks'd be it is

1856
01:26:58,293 --> 01:26:59,452
Speaker 3: seventeen pass three.

1857
01:26:59,692 --> 01:27:01,732
Speaker 2: Now, all those people that have texted in and asked

1858
01:27:01,772 --> 01:27:04,053
Speaker 2: for Nevill's number, we're not we're not handing that out. No,

1859
01:27:04,293 --> 01:27:06,812
Speaker 2: there's some opportunities that pleeppople that have come in say,

1860
01:27:06,853 --> 01:27:08,093
Speaker 2: can we please have Nivel's number?

1861
01:27:08,133 --> 01:27:10,213
Speaker 3: No, no, no, there's not much we can do to

1862
01:27:10,253 --> 01:27:11,293
Speaker 3: pretict Neville, but we can.

1863
01:27:11,293 --> 01:27:13,612
Speaker 2: Do that well, yeah, I mean never needs to get

1864
01:27:13,612 --> 01:27:17,892
Speaker 2: off the phone. Yeah, if it's unsolicited, absolutely, Then if

1865
01:27:17,933 --> 01:27:20,053
Speaker 2: someone offers you something they ring up, then that's when

1866
01:27:20,093 --> 01:27:23,333
Speaker 2: you be very very suspicious. Although Dunkin says the moment

1867
01:27:23,372 --> 01:27:26,293
Speaker 2: you start saying that it's someone's own stupid fault, you

1868
01:27:26,372 --> 01:27:28,572
Speaker 2: reward the criminals selection of a target. If you do

1869
01:27:28,692 --> 01:27:30,893
Speaker 2: it to dumb people, it's okay. That's the level of

1870
01:27:30,973 --> 01:27:32,213
Speaker 2: tolerance for crime. You set.

1871
01:27:33,013 --> 01:27:34,012
Speaker 3: So interesting point.

1872
01:27:35,933 --> 01:27:39,372
Speaker 2: What scammers do, and you know this is famous that

1873
01:27:39,652 --> 01:27:42,652
Speaker 2: that often and these these scam they'll they'll put spelling

1874
01:27:42,732 --> 01:27:45,652
Speaker 2: here as they'll they'll they have a way of sorting

1875
01:27:45,732 --> 01:27:48,812
Speaker 2: out who is savvy and so people because there's no

1876
01:27:48,853 --> 01:27:51,372
Speaker 2: point in wasting their time on someone that's super savvy. Yes,

1877
01:27:51,732 --> 01:27:56,692
Speaker 2: so they sometimes they make the scam really dumb and

1878
01:27:56,772 --> 01:27:59,812
Speaker 2: really obvious, and because that's how you get through so

1879
01:27:59,973 --> 01:28:02,253
Speaker 2: terrible spelling, all these kind of things exactly.

1880
01:28:02,572 --> 01:28:05,173
Speaker 3: And you know it's sad to say, but unfortunately that

1881
01:28:05,333 --> 01:28:08,173
Speaker 3: was the trap that Neville fell into, is that once

1882
01:28:08,853 --> 01:28:12,333
Speaker 3: he was scammed by that first scammer, that opened him

1883
01:28:12,412 --> 01:28:15,093
Speaker 3: up to a whole bunch of other scammers. Knowing he

1884
01:28:15,372 --> 01:28:17,052
Speaker 3: was he was right for the picking, so to speak.

1885
01:28:17,412 --> 01:28:19,892
Speaker 2: This good couple of rhymes coming through, we're looking at

1886
01:28:20,293 --> 01:28:23,452
Speaker 2: for a rhyme that that sort of explains what we're

1887
01:28:23,492 --> 01:28:26,093
Speaker 2: doing here. If you share a scam, you're the man

1888
01:28:26,293 --> 01:28:28,213
Speaker 2: Matt didn't vote, so to punch him in the throat.

1889
01:28:28,893 --> 01:28:30,492
Speaker 2: That's from there you go.

1890
01:28:30,692 --> 01:28:32,133
Speaker 3: That's brilliant. Yeah, good work, I.

1891
01:28:32,173 --> 01:28:35,173
Speaker 2: Guess from Tony and the y Wrapper. Good stuff. You

1892
01:28:35,253 --> 01:28:36,372
Speaker 2: got scammed on YouTube?

1893
01:28:37,532 --> 01:28:40,013
Speaker 16: I did, and it was through a stunning combination of

1894
01:28:40,133 --> 01:28:41,733
Speaker 16: stupidity in greed.

1895
01:28:42,893 --> 01:28:45,372
Speaker 3: Yours, yes mine?

1896
01:28:47,532 --> 01:28:49,572
Speaker 2: Well you know you, you know, if you can have

1897
01:28:49,692 --> 01:28:52,173
Speaker 2: that kind of self reflection, then you're not You're not

1898
01:28:52,253 --> 01:28:54,013
Speaker 2: that dumb. Fiona took us through it.

1899
01:28:55,452 --> 01:28:58,852
Speaker 16: It was about three years ago, and it was right

1900
01:28:59,053 --> 01:29:04,692
Speaker 16: at the height of the doge coin excitement. Elon Musk

1901
01:29:04,732 --> 01:29:08,053
Speaker 16: had released as doge coin and was heavily promoting it,

1902
01:29:08,572 --> 01:29:10,973
Speaker 16: and I had bought a few doge coins just for

1903
01:29:11,293 --> 01:29:14,133
Speaker 16: just the last really and there was going to be

1904
01:29:14,492 --> 01:29:17,933
Speaker 16: a YouTube interview that he was doing and it was

1905
01:29:17,973 --> 01:29:19,772
Speaker 16: widely promoted. It was going to be on a Sunday

1906
01:29:19,772 --> 01:29:22,612
Speaker 16: afternoon at a certain time, so I thought, oh, yeah,

1907
01:29:22,612 --> 01:29:24,732
Speaker 16: it'd be really interesting to see what he has to say.

1908
01:29:24,933 --> 01:29:28,052
Speaker 16: So I searched on YouTube for that Elon Musk interview

1909
01:29:28,372 --> 01:29:31,053
Speaker 16: and I jumped on the live stream and there were

1910
01:29:31,093 --> 01:29:33,092
Speaker 16: a whole lot of them that came up when I searched,

1911
01:29:33,492 --> 01:29:35,532
Speaker 16: and I went with the one that had the most viewers.

1912
01:29:35,572 --> 01:29:37,852
Speaker 16: It was millions of viewers, and I thought, oh yeah,

1913
01:29:37,973 --> 01:29:40,133
Speaker 16: that's it. So I jumped on that and I watched

1914
01:29:40,173 --> 01:29:43,932
Speaker 16: the interview and it was really good, and then towards

1915
01:29:43,973 --> 01:29:47,213
Speaker 16: the end of it, the screen split and there was

1916
01:29:47,293 --> 01:29:49,892
Speaker 16: a message that came up saying, look is a special

1917
01:29:49,933 --> 01:29:51,132
Speaker 16: offer for our viewers.

1918
01:29:51,652 --> 01:29:52,772
Speaker 11: Elon is going to.

1919
01:29:52,853 --> 01:29:55,213
Speaker 16: Test out this crypto thing. So what he wants you

1920
01:29:55,293 --> 01:29:58,772
Speaker 16: to do is quickly send him a thousand doge coins

1921
01:29:59,372 --> 01:30:02,092
Speaker 16: and it will instantly double and be sent.

1922
01:30:02,013 --> 01:30:02,372
Speaker 17: Back to you.

1923
01:30:02,612 --> 01:30:04,732
Speaker 16: And it was a bit of a publicity lart thing

1924
01:30:04,812 --> 01:30:07,893
Speaker 16: to promote dose coin, and without kind of exercising my

1925
01:30:08,013 --> 01:30:11,532
Speaker 16: brain too much or at all, I thought, oh, yeah, okay,

1926
01:30:11,732 --> 01:30:15,013
Speaker 16: so yeah, I sent off my thousand doge coin, and

1927
01:30:15,133 --> 01:30:17,333
Speaker 16: then as soon as I'd done it, I thought, hold

1928
01:30:17,372 --> 01:30:21,452
Speaker 16: on a minute, and sure enough I didn't get anything back,

1929
01:30:21,692 --> 01:30:24,173
Speaker 16: and a short time later realized that it was a

1930
01:30:24,492 --> 01:30:28,692
Speaker 16: very very well done scam. So what they what they've done, Basically,

1931
01:30:28,933 --> 01:30:32,412
Speaker 16: they had they created an extra skin of that live

1932
01:30:32,532 --> 01:30:36,772
Speaker 16: stream on YouTube and then diverted the viewers to that one,

1933
01:30:36,973 --> 01:30:39,852
Speaker 16: and then it just suckered people in. So they made

1934
01:30:39,973 --> 01:30:43,213
Speaker 16: millions on it. Apparently that day played to them, and.

1935
01:30:44,532 --> 01:30:48,173
Speaker 2: The evil of it to the amount of prep, you know,

1936
01:30:48,333 --> 01:30:50,412
Speaker 2: so that they're running an organization, they go, go, go, go,

1937
01:30:50,612 --> 01:30:54,173
Speaker 2: like someone putting a television show on a live TV show.

1938
01:30:54,213 --> 01:30:56,053
Speaker 2: They've got producers, they're putting it together and we're going

1939
01:30:56,133 --> 01:30:57,652
Speaker 2: live with this, and this is how the scam is

1940
01:30:57,692 --> 01:31:01,933
Speaker 2: going to go. So incredibly premeditated. So how much was

1941
01:31:02,013 --> 01:31:05,053
Speaker 2: the if you don't mind me asking you, how much

1942
01:31:05,173 --> 01:31:07,253
Speaker 2: was a thousand doze corn worth?

1943
01:31:07,293 --> 01:31:11,093
Speaker 16: At that time it was about seven excuse me, seven

1944
01:31:11,173 --> 01:31:12,333
Speaker 16: hundred dollars New Zealand?

1945
01:31:12,652 --> 01:31:15,452
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, And is that is that a lesson? Is

1946
01:31:15,492 --> 01:31:17,532
Speaker 2: that a lesson that was worth seven hundred dollars? Do

1947
01:31:17,572 --> 01:31:18,293
Speaker 2: you think, Fiona?

1948
01:31:19,532 --> 01:31:21,732
Speaker 16: Well, yeah, I think the lesson for me was the

1949
01:31:21,812 --> 01:31:24,133
Speaker 16: old thing of you know, if it seems too good

1950
01:31:24,173 --> 01:31:26,133
Speaker 16: to be true, then it company is too good to

1951
01:31:26,253 --> 01:31:28,013
Speaker 16: be true, and I shouldn't have done it. It was

1952
01:31:28,133 --> 01:31:32,213
Speaker 16: absolutely stupidity. I went against all my inner voice of saying.

1953
01:31:33,253 --> 01:31:36,452
Speaker 3: It's such a common one in the crypto space, Fiona,

1954
01:31:36,652 --> 01:31:38,652
Speaker 3: is that they used to call them drops that you

1955
01:31:39,333 --> 01:31:41,612
Speaker 3: if you spent so much of your crypto whatever it

1956
01:31:41,772 --> 01:31:44,973
Speaker 3: was Bitcoin or another, and you you buy into the

1957
01:31:45,053 --> 01:31:47,692
Speaker 3: scheme and then you are entitled to drops every couple

1958
01:31:47,732 --> 01:31:50,253
Speaker 3: of months where they give you gifts either other crypto

1959
01:31:50,812 --> 01:31:53,572
Speaker 3: or whatever. So many people fell into that because, as

1960
01:31:53,652 --> 01:31:55,652
Speaker 3: you say, you've made some good money on crypto, you

1961
01:31:55,732 --> 01:31:58,532
Speaker 3: might be feeling pretty good elon Musk's promoting it. Then

1962
01:31:58,532 --> 01:32:00,173
Speaker 3: all of a sudden you've got a chance to double

1963
01:32:00,213 --> 01:32:01,812
Speaker 3: your money. Very enticing.

1964
01:32:02,093 --> 01:32:06,293
Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, absolutely so yeah a lisson learned.

1965
01:32:06,532 --> 01:32:09,133
Speaker 2: Well, thank you for sharing because you and that helps people.

1966
01:32:09,173 --> 01:32:12,013
Speaker 2: Hearing these stories will help people be a little bit

1967
01:32:12,053 --> 01:32:14,812
Speaker 2: more caution themselves, cautious themselves, So thank you so much

1968
01:32:14,853 --> 01:32:18,133
Speaker 2: for that, Fiona. It is interesting though now because you know,

1969
01:32:18,213 --> 01:32:19,572
Speaker 2: you back in the day, there used to be the

1970
01:32:19,652 --> 01:32:22,213
Speaker 2: King's Seal, right, the seal and wax yep. And it

1971
01:32:22,333 --> 01:32:24,732
Speaker 2: was very hard to fake back in the day because

1972
01:32:25,013 --> 01:32:27,452
Speaker 2: you know, to have the thing to make the seal

1973
01:32:27,492 --> 01:32:29,732
Speaker 2: all these kind of things, and so if it came

1974
01:32:29,812 --> 01:32:31,612
Speaker 2: with the king seal on it, it meant something that

1975
01:32:31,772 --> 01:32:33,572
Speaker 2: was you know, all back in Roman times as well,

1976
01:32:33,612 --> 01:32:38,333
Speaker 2: the Caesars and ye know yeah, and so there's a

1977
01:32:38,452 --> 01:32:43,853
Speaker 2: level of I guess legitimus that can be dis demonstrated.

1978
01:32:43,893 --> 01:32:46,812
Speaker 2: But now you can go to a website like the

1979
01:32:47,572 --> 01:32:50,213
Speaker 2: fellow before about the est thing looks exactly like it.

1980
01:32:50,492 --> 01:32:56,173
Speaker 2: It's completely merrit it looks exactly the same. And it's

1981
01:32:56,253 --> 01:32:58,772
Speaker 2: just so hard to get that authenticity of something to

1982
01:32:58,893 --> 01:33:01,692
Speaker 2: know that this is the solid, real thing now incredibly

1983
01:33:01,772 --> 01:33:03,293
Speaker 2: hard to see. You just have to go around just

1984
01:33:03,412 --> 01:33:06,372
Speaker 2: being so incredibly suspicious absolutely all the time.

1985
01:33:06,452 --> 01:33:08,372
Speaker 3: Yeah you do, Oh Waite hundred and eighty ten. He

1986
01:33:08,532 --> 01:33:11,173
Speaker 3: is the number to call. We've got full boards. If

1987
01:33:11,213 --> 01:33:13,932
Speaker 3: you can't get through, keep trying, but we'll come back

1988
01:33:13,973 --> 01:33:15,652
Speaker 3: with more of your calls very shortly. If you want

1989
01:33:15,652 --> 01:33:18,173
Speaker 3: to send a textar coming through Thick and Fast nineteen

1990
01:33:18,253 --> 01:33:18,732
Speaker 3: ninety two.

1991
01:33:18,853 --> 01:33:21,293
Speaker 2: Not giving out Nevil's numbers.

1992
01:33:21,333 --> 01:33:23,573
Speaker 3: Stop asking, Stop asking.

1993
01:33:23,293 --> 01:33:24,253
Speaker 2: You dirty scammers.

1994
01:33:24,333 --> 01:33:25,452
Speaker 3: Twenty four, Part three.

1995
01:33:29,213 --> 01:33:32,572
Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons call Oh eight hundred

1996
01:33:32,652 --> 01:33:34,532
Speaker 1: eighty eighty on yous talk ZV.

1997
01:33:34,933 --> 01:33:37,253
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon too. So we're talking about scams. If

1998
01:33:37,293 --> 01:33:39,812
Speaker 3: you've been a victim of a scam recently, love to

1999
01:33:39,853 --> 01:33:42,212
Speaker 3: hear from you to share the red flags in hindsight

2000
01:33:42,293 --> 01:33:43,932
Speaker 3: that you may have or should have spotted.

2001
01:33:44,053 --> 01:33:45,692
Speaker 2: Well, as you know, Tyler, as I always say, a

2002
01:33:45,732 --> 01:33:48,492
Speaker 2: scam shared is a scam Beard, I've always said it.

2003
01:33:48,612 --> 01:33:51,652
Speaker 2: I always always say a scam shared is your money spared?

2004
01:33:51,812 --> 01:33:54,653
Speaker 2: You know, I always say, scam shared is a victim.

2005
01:33:54,492 --> 01:33:57,173
Speaker 3: Spared, it's some good age old advice from you, Matt Heath.

2006
01:33:57,213 --> 01:33:59,452
Speaker 3: You know that's a Pearl of Wizards. So that's also

2007
01:33:59,532 --> 01:33:59,772
Speaker 3: doing this.

2008
01:33:59,893 --> 01:34:03,013
Speaker 2: So people are sharing their scam so other people know

2009
01:34:03,293 --> 01:34:06,772
Speaker 2: what to look out for. Alan, Welcome to the show.

2010
01:34:07,893 --> 01:34:08,973
Speaker 10: Oh hey today, how you go?

2011
01:34:09,612 --> 01:34:14,293
Speaker 2: Good? So you have a relative that had a bit

2012
01:34:14,333 --> 01:34:16,533
Speaker 2: of a problem with the romance situation.

2013
01:34:17,612 --> 01:34:20,013
Speaker 18: Yeah, I wouldn't say romante situation. It was kind of

2014
01:34:20,133 --> 01:34:23,293
Speaker 18: like she she you know, she's a fan of sport,

2015
01:34:23,412 --> 01:34:26,772
Speaker 18: loves sport, loves for it, the lovetiness, and you know,

2016
01:34:26,893 --> 01:34:30,612
Speaker 18: she's got her favorite stars and things. And I'll probably

2017
01:34:30,612 --> 01:34:34,492
Speaker 18: explain sort of how it happens, but yeah, my mother.

2018
01:34:34,612 --> 01:34:37,012
Speaker 18: I introduced my mother to Facebook, and you know, loves

2019
01:34:37,053 --> 01:34:38,852
Speaker 18: a great way to connect and keep in touch with

2020
01:34:38,933 --> 01:34:40,612
Speaker 18: family members and that sort of thing. So it's a

2021
01:34:40,933 --> 01:34:44,333
Speaker 18: fantastic tool for that. And then so to help her

2022
01:34:44,372 --> 01:34:46,652
Speaker 18: with that, you know, she had originally she had old

2023
01:34:46,692 --> 01:34:50,372
Speaker 18: iPhone five and I linked to my old iPad and

2024
01:34:51,213 --> 01:34:53,093
Speaker 18: got her on that and everything, and anyway, I had

2025
01:34:53,133 --> 01:34:55,932
Speaker 18: to borrow the eyepads a little bit and got back

2026
01:34:56,013 --> 01:34:58,132
Speaker 18: and hadn't looked at it for a week while switched

2027
01:34:58,173 --> 01:35:00,973
Speaker 18: it on, and there was all these notifications from a

2028
01:35:01,333 --> 01:35:04,772
Speaker 18: you know, pretty recognizable sports so everyone get the name away,

2029
01:35:04,893 --> 01:35:10,492
Speaker 18: but ten start anyway, there in various messages were popping

2030
01:35:10,572 --> 01:35:15,452
Speaker 18: up on deer regarding sending iTunes cards, which extremely common,

2031
01:35:15,652 --> 01:35:18,732
Speaker 18: you know, sort of scan and they were simply to

2032
01:35:18,812 --> 01:35:21,572
Speaker 18: do with you know, hey, if you paid for this thing,

2033
01:35:21,652 --> 01:35:23,692
Speaker 18: then you'll get a special VIP membship thing.

2034
01:35:24,253 --> 01:35:24,372
Speaker 14: You know.

2035
01:35:24,532 --> 01:35:26,173
Speaker 18: There was quite a few of these cards being spent.

2036
01:35:26,293 --> 01:35:29,692
Speaker 18: So anyway, I confronted my mother. We talked about those,

2037
01:35:30,013 --> 01:35:33,772
Speaker 18: and you know, we agreed to stop. However, about three

2038
01:35:33,812 --> 01:35:37,253
Speaker 18: to four weeks later, I'd also helped out some other

2039
01:35:37,253 --> 01:35:39,412
Speaker 18: stuff here in net banking and things, and about three

2040
01:35:39,492 --> 01:35:42,892
Speaker 18: or four weeks later I came back and I noticed

2041
01:35:42,893 --> 01:35:45,492
Speaker 18: there was about nineteen thousand dollars missing from her regular

2042
01:35:45,532 --> 01:35:49,893
Speaker 18: bank accounts, and turned out that's iTunes cards. And that

2043
01:35:50,053 --> 01:35:52,812
Speaker 18: was over period about as I say, three weeks. Again

2044
01:35:52,933 --> 01:35:55,732
Speaker 18: confronted her, got the banks involved, and by the way,

2045
01:35:56,013 --> 01:35:58,772
Speaker 18: for a bank, so who but I'm the bank as well,

2046
01:35:58,853 --> 01:36:01,173
Speaker 18: so I'm very familiar with all this stuff than your

2047
01:36:01,173 --> 01:36:05,213
Speaker 18: average sort of hunter. Anyway, again, sort of further confrontations

2048
01:36:05,333 --> 01:36:09,772
Speaker 18: ensued and blocking the so called scammers. But what they

2049
01:36:09,853 --> 01:36:12,452
Speaker 18: try to do you a long story short is they

2050
01:36:13,253 --> 01:36:15,452
Speaker 18: try to get you off the platform. So Messenger was

2051
01:36:15,492 --> 01:36:18,772
Speaker 18: the platform, but they take you into things like what's

2052
01:36:18,812 --> 01:36:22,053
Speaker 18: called Zangi, which I'd never heard of another app, and

2053
01:36:22,093 --> 01:36:25,412
Speaker 18: then of course Telegram a spell that is like z

2054
01:36:26,652 --> 01:36:27,652
Speaker 18: h A n.

2055
01:36:27,692 --> 01:36:28,053
Speaker 7: G I.

2056
01:36:29,612 --> 01:36:34,292
Speaker 18: G I forget. Yeah, Zangi is a common one, and Telegram.

2057
01:36:34,372 --> 01:36:38,652
Speaker 18: So these are the two, you know, apps of choice

2058
01:36:38,652 --> 01:36:41,333
Speaker 18: that these scammers hues. And the reason why they found

2059
01:36:41,372 --> 01:36:44,412
Speaker 18: this out later is as I've been helped trying to

2060
01:36:44,452 --> 01:36:47,412
Speaker 18: help my mother, that they get you off immediately because

2061
01:36:47,452 --> 01:36:51,893
Speaker 18: their profiles get blocked and canceled by quite quickly, and

2062
01:36:52,013 --> 01:36:54,772
Speaker 18: so the quicker they can get off the main platform,

2063
01:36:54,812 --> 01:36:57,133
Speaker 18: the meta platforms that you know, we don't want their

2064
01:36:57,173 --> 01:37:00,933
Speaker 18: basically got their hawks into you can't control it. So

2065
01:37:01,293 --> 01:37:04,253
Speaker 18: you know, this kind of ensued and they carried on

2066
01:37:04,412 --> 01:37:07,293
Speaker 18: and kind of to the stay. The communications persist. But

2067
01:37:07,812 --> 01:37:09,972
Speaker 18: luckily I'm I'm on top of it and with power

2068
01:37:09,973 --> 01:37:12,572
Speaker 18: of attorney and things. But man, it's been a lesson

2069
01:37:12,732 --> 01:37:16,333
Speaker 18: and I can tell you the reason I'm calling you

2070
01:37:16,412 --> 01:37:20,372
Speaker 18: guys is the attempts meant for me to stop my

2071
01:37:20,492 --> 01:37:22,412
Speaker 18: mother from buying these things. Was going around all the

2072
01:37:22,492 --> 01:37:25,012
Speaker 18: retailers that would sell these iTunes cars, because we're talking

2073
01:37:25,572 --> 01:37:28,213
Speaker 18: literally hundreds of these things, and she would buy you're

2074
01:37:28,213 --> 01:37:29,772
Speaker 18: only allowed to buy them at two hundred or two

2075
01:37:29,853 --> 01:37:32,173
Speaker 18: hundred and fifty dollars a pop from each retailer. So

2076
01:37:32,412 --> 01:37:34,852
Speaker 18: she was having a great time doing a tekey tour

2077
01:37:35,053 --> 01:37:38,053
Speaker 18: around the city finding out all these different places where

2078
01:37:38,133 --> 01:37:40,013
Speaker 18: she could buy these things from. And I would go

2079
01:37:40,133 --> 01:37:42,732
Speaker 18: around and provide a brochure with my mother's picture on

2080
01:37:42,812 --> 01:37:46,452
Speaker 18: and instantly recognized her and so, yep, we know her.

2081
01:37:46,893 --> 01:37:48,772
Speaker 18: She comes into Killy and we've told her that she's

2082
01:37:48,812 --> 01:37:51,293
Speaker 18: been scanned and things, so thinking they're actively telling her.

2083
01:37:52,532 --> 01:37:55,492
Speaker 18: But yes, I got these people to contact me whenever

2084
01:37:55,572 --> 01:37:57,093
Speaker 18: she would come in to buy these things. And so

2085
01:37:57,093 --> 01:37:59,852
Speaker 18: I actually fatally so yet we'll absolutely right. Well, she

2086
01:37:59,893 --> 01:38:02,612
Speaker 18: used to startle to your mother and tell them I'll

2087
01:38:02,652 --> 01:38:04,852
Speaker 18: tell her that the machine has broken or something. But

2088
01:38:05,612 --> 01:38:08,412
Speaker 18: I and I said, again, my main recent calling you,

2089
01:38:08,532 --> 01:38:10,053
Speaker 18: And I asked them, I said, how many other people

2090
01:38:10,093 --> 01:38:12,372
Speaker 18: would you say that? I'd like, you know, to fit

2091
01:38:12,452 --> 01:38:14,772
Speaker 18: the profile of my mother, you know, but that look

2092
01:38:14,853 --> 01:38:19,253
Speaker 18: maybe your elderly thank you said, yes, yeah, we've got

2093
01:38:19,412 --> 01:38:21,932
Speaker 18: quite a few people that come in along and buying

2094
01:38:21,973 --> 01:38:23,692
Speaker 18: these cards and they'll be saying that they're buying them

2095
01:38:23,732 --> 01:38:26,973
Speaker 18: to a grand daughter or something like that. But you know,

2096
01:38:27,053 --> 01:38:28,612
Speaker 18: I don't even know what you use iTunes cards for.

2097
01:38:29,213 --> 01:38:32,692
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thankfully your mum had such a caring onto

2098
01:38:32,772 --> 01:38:36,213
Speaker 2: it son that and that that that that you did

2099
01:38:36,253 --> 01:38:39,133
Speaker 2: what you did Ellen, you know, because it's because there's

2100
01:38:39,133 --> 01:38:41,692
Speaker 2: a lot of people that are elderly and alone and

2101
01:38:41,772 --> 01:38:45,612
Speaker 2: then just don't have that support to try and you know,

2102
01:38:45,772 --> 01:38:47,892
Speaker 2: go through that. So so good on you. But those two,

2103
01:38:48,133 --> 01:38:51,293
Speaker 2: those two red flags taking you off that platform that

2104
01:38:51,372 --> 01:38:56,492
Speaker 2: you're on to a private conversation, you know, sit back

2105
01:38:56,492 --> 01:39:00,013
Speaker 2: and forth. And I think WhatsApps another one that you know,

2106
01:39:00,253 --> 01:39:04,572
Speaker 2: they use WhatsApp a lot as well, because yeah, and

2107
01:39:04,772 --> 01:39:08,652
Speaker 2: and those and those Apple app Store and Google play Yards,

2108
01:39:09,173 --> 01:39:11,932
Speaker 2: you know, because because as I was saying before, there's

2109
01:39:11,973 --> 01:39:15,452
Speaker 2: no names, no bank, it's irreversible, it's instant, and it's

2110
01:39:15,532 --> 01:39:17,772
Speaker 2: remote remote, so they can just get that, they get

2111
01:39:17,812 --> 01:39:20,892
Speaker 2: the serial number to spend it. And you know, it's

2112
01:39:20,973 --> 01:39:23,333
Speaker 2: just incredibly easy for them to launder it, isn't it.

2113
01:39:23,452 --> 01:39:25,093
Speaker 15: Yeah, it really is.

2114
01:39:25,293 --> 01:39:27,452
Speaker 18: And My only message out there to people, you know,

2115
01:39:27,612 --> 01:39:30,412
Speaker 18: middle aged, middle aged people out there that have parents

2116
01:39:30,452 --> 01:39:32,732
Speaker 18: that elderly and are active on on these social media

2117
01:39:32,772 --> 01:39:36,372
Speaker 18: platforms and live alone. My message to you at least

2118
01:39:36,612 --> 01:39:38,013
Speaker 18: do a bit of a health check with them, you know,

2119
01:39:38,492 --> 01:39:40,932
Speaker 18: check their Facebook accounts, just if they'll let you. One

2120
01:39:40,973 --> 01:39:43,292
Speaker 18: thing I did find was my mother became extremely protective

2121
01:39:43,412 --> 01:39:47,772
Speaker 18: and it really challenged our relationships in terms of me

2122
01:39:47,973 --> 01:39:53,173
Speaker 18: being kind of like a nosey Parker and her personal fears.

2123
01:39:53,253 --> 01:39:55,852
Speaker 18: But I really had no choice. And I think, you know,

2124
01:39:55,893 --> 01:39:59,412
Speaker 18: if you've got family members that that profile really encourage

2125
01:39:59,452 --> 01:40:01,293
Speaker 18: you to sort of have an open conversation around you know,

2126
01:40:01,412 --> 01:40:03,572
Speaker 18: what they're actually how they're engaging with social media, and

2127
01:40:03,853 --> 01:40:05,972
Speaker 18: just very mindful that these are the sort of things

2128
01:40:06,053 --> 01:40:09,333
Speaker 18: that these people, these people actively target and the lonely,

2129
01:40:09,492 --> 01:40:11,253
Speaker 18: and they're quite easy to identify, I think.

2130
01:40:11,372 --> 01:40:11,412
Speaker 10: So.

2131
01:40:11,652 --> 01:40:13,973
Speaker 18: Yeah, Unfortunately, the more the more you do it, the

2132
01:40:14,093 --> 01:40:16,412
Speaker 18: more the algorithm which and against you.

2133
01:40:17,053 --> 01:40:19,093
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly on the string.

2134
01:40:19,293 --> 01:40:22,772
Speaker 3: Well, thank God for you, Allen and protect you mother.

2135
01:40:22,853 --> 01:40:24,812
Speaker 3: And that's it. You know, it's a hard conversation for

2136
01:40:24,933 --> 01:40:27,852
Speaker 3: kids to have with their parents if they are trapped

2137
01:40:27,853 --> 01:40:30,973
Speaker 3: in one of those those scams and just on the

2138
01:40:30,973 --> 01:40:32,932
Speaker 3: Apple cards, you know whether there is and I don't

2139
01:40:32,973 --> 01:40:34,652
Speaker 3: know how you do this, but just listening to Allen

2140
01:40:34,692 --> 01:40:37,293
Speaker 3: and he had to go to the individual retailers if

2141
01:40:37,333 --> 01:40:40,213
Speaker 3: they've seen elderly people coming on a regular basis, I mean,

2142
01:40:40,772 --> 01:40:42,812
Speaker 3: is there any responsibility from their side?

2143
01:40:42,853 --> 01:40:43,213
Speaker 19: I don't know.

2144
01:40:43,412 --> 01:40:46,293
Speaker 2: Well, everyone knows that that's how the scams work. Yeah,

2145
01:40:46,333 --> 01:40:49,013
Speaker 2: that the the Apple store, Apple App cards and the

2146
01:40:49,053 --> 01:40:51,412
Speaker 2: Google play cards. It's a huge part of it, you know.

2147
01:40:51,532 --> 01:40:53,412
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Ellen. As I always say, scam

2148
01:40:53,492 --> 01:40:57,812
Speaker 2: shared is a scam. A scam shared is a victim spared.

2149
01:40:57,973 --> 01:41:00,052
Speaker 3: Yeah, there we go. It's good advice. It is twenty

2150
01:41:00,133 --> 01:41:00,692
Speaker 3: seven to four.

2151
01:41:03,412 --> 01:41:07,012
Speaker 15: You talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis. It's

2152
01:41:07,093 --> 01:41:10,652
Speaker 15: no trouble with a blue bubble. Israeli hostages will start

2153
01:41:10,772 --> 01:41:15,012
Speaker 15: being released by HMAS within hours, scheduled from six pm

2154
01:41:15,093 --> 01:41:18,612
Speaker 15: New Zealand time. It'll set off in Exchange with hundreds

2155
01:41:18,652 --> 01:41:22,692
Speaker 15: of Palestinian prisoners and detainees, including nearly two dozen children,

2156
01:41:23,013 --> 01:41:28,293
Speaker 15: being driven into Gaza. Fletcher Buildings issued a gloomy trading update,

2157
01:41:28,853 --> 01:41:33,053
Speaker 15: citing trading slumps, market falls and low sales volumes, and

2158
01:41:33,173 --> 01:41:36,092
Speaker 15: plans to cut another one hundred million dollars in costs.

2159
01:41:37,213 --> 01:41:40,372
Speaker 15: A White Island Tours crew member says they believe lives

2160
01:41:40,492 --> 01:41:43,852
Speaker 15: and limbs would have been saved if an official rescue

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Speaker 15: seventy four thousand leaving in the year to August. The

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Speaker 15: default types of court appearances, hoping to encourage more video participation.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Railean. We are talking about scammers.

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Speaker 3: If you've found yourself a victim of scammers recently, loved

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01:42:32,333 --> 01:42:33,652
Speaker 3: to hear from you on oh eight hundred and eighty

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01:42:33,692 --> 01:42:34,173
Speaker 3: ten eighty.

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Speaker 2: Here's another rhyme for people that are listening earlier. Come through. Yep,

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01:42:38,013 --> 01:42:39,852
Speaker 2: Nivel's on the line. You're about to make a dime,

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Speaker 2: Poor Annett. Welcome to the show.

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01:42:43,732 --> 01:42:46,293
Speaker 7: Hey, I finally got there. I've been waiting for a while.

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01:42:46,412 --> 01:42:48,572
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you for holding on. We've had we've

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01:42:48,612 --> 01:42:50,093
Speaker 2: had a lot of calls coming through on this, but

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01:42:50,213 --> 01:42:52,572
Speaker 2: thank you so much for holding on. And yeah, please

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Speaker 2: share your story.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so my scammer is probably a little bit I've

2186
01:42:57,372 --> 01:43:00,973
Speaker 7: only just jumped on, guys, So my my scammer is

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01:43:00,973 --> 01:43:03,253
Speaker 7: a little bit different from the other ones that I've heard.

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01:43:04,293 --> 01:43:07,733
Speaker 7: Mine was a romance scam. So this guy was supposedly

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01:43:07,812 --> 01:43:10,772
Speaker 7: based in Egypt on an oil rag, which at the

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01:43:10,853 --> 01:43:13,893
Speaker 7: time I didn't know was a very common scam. So

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Speaker 7: he I think the biggest things that I can say

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01:43:18,692 --> 01:43:21,293
Speaker 7: straight up is the first thing is if they get

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01:43:21,372 --> 01:43:25,732
Speaker 7: too friendly with you too quickly, that is one thing

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01:43:25,853 --> 01:43:28,013
Speaker 7: they start calling you darling and sweetie, and.

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01:43:28,452 --> 01:43:30,253
Speaker 2: So this is just just can we go back? Except

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01:43:30,293 --> 01:43:32,732
Speaker 2: so this was with you, So it was you directly

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01:43:32,853 --> 01:43:36,293
Speaker 2: that was talking to this this supposed person on the

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Speaker 2: Egyptian oil RG.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:43:39,093 --> 01:43:41,452
Speaker 2: Yeah, so how did the contact. How did the contact

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01:43:41,532 --> 01:43:42,333
Speaker 2: first start in?

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Speaker 12: Yeah?

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01:43:43,692 --> 01:43:48,972
Speaker 7: Through Instagram? Instagram, right, Yeah, So I had some photos

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01:43:49,013 --> 01:43:53,293
Speaker 7: on there and I looked like I was pretty well off.

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01:43:54,293 --> 01:43:56,732
Speaker 7: I guess I'm not. I'm not really well off, but

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01:43:56,853 --> 01:43:58,652
Speaker 7: I was doing pretty good at the time, and so

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01:43:59,492 --> 01:44:03,812
Speaker 7: he made a connection with me and then we were

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01:44:03,893 --> 01:44:08,572
Speaker 7: talking every day. And then after that he's like, I

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Speaker 7: really want to come down to New Zealand to meet

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Speaker 7: with you, but my bank account is locked because I

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01:44:15,772 --> 01:44:18,572
Speaker 7: haven't used it for a long time. And then he

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01:44:18,692 --> 01:44:21,532
Speaker 7: sent through a screenshot of how many millions he had

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Speaker 7: in his bank account.

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Speaker 2: And then at that point were you suspicious at all?

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01:44:28,372 --> 01:44:31,093
Speaker 2: What was your mindset at this at the stage in

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01:44:31,213 --> 01:44:32,173
Speaker 2: it to they.

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01:44:32,293 --> 01:44:37,412
Speaker 7: Really honest, I was working incredibly long shift hours. I

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01:44:37,532 --> 01:44:41,532
Speaker 7: probably wasn't thinking too straight. I have to own I

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01:44:41,652 --> 01:44:46,732
Speaker 7: was probably just a bit naive. I was naive. I

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01:44:47,372 --> 01:44:50,293
Speaker 7: knew about crypto scams, but I had no idea about

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01:44:50,452 --> 01:44:53,692
Speaker 7: this romance scam kind of thing. But anyway, he ripped

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Speaker 7: me for forty five k ah.

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Speaker 2: Right, and so did how did how did you? How

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01:44:59,572 --> 01:45:02,012
Speaker 2: was that money handed over to him? Annett?

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01:45:03,293 --> 01:45:07,933
Speaker 7: Initially it was through bank transfers, and then after that

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01:45:09,412 --> 01:45:14,012
Speaker 7: my bank suspected something and they stopped me from making

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01:45:14,093 --> 01:45:16,053
Speaker 7: bank transfers. And this is where I feel like a

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01:45:16,133 --> 01:45:18,892
Speaker 7: real idiot, but I'm going to admit it. He would

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01:45:18,933 --> 01:45:22,893
Speaker 7: ask me for iTunes vouchers and they are completely intractable.

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01:45:23,173 --> 01:45:25,492
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've heard a lot about the iTunes vouchers and

2231
01:45:25,532 --> 01:45:27,972
Speaker 2: the Google Play vouchers and the way they get around

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01:45:28,013 --> 01:45:30,572
Speaker 2: thing because they're not controlled. So how much communication that

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01:45:30,893 --> 01:45:34,532
Speaker 2: had you had with this a better word than gentlemen,

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01:45:34,612 --> 01:45:37,692
Speaker 2: this this piece of crap. Had you video talked?

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01:45:38,093 --> 01:45:40,772
Speaker 7: You know, as a it was a video talk, but

2236
01:45:40,973 --> 01:45:43,093
Speaker 7: it was only for a couple of minutes, and they

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01:45:43,133 --> 01:45:48,173
Speaker 7: can manipulate that. So he actually had stolen someone's identity

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01:45:48,293 --> 01:45:52,333
Speaker 7: and he used the photo of this guy and then

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01:45:52,412 --> 01:45:54,372
Speaker 7: it was sort of like cutting in and out and

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Speaker 7: he was talking to me, but then he's like, oh

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Speaker 7: my god, you know that it's really bad wi fi

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01:46:02,133 --> 01:46:05,372
Speaker 7: and cut off. So they happened a couple of times.

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01:46:06,293 --> 01:46:10,973
Speaker 7: But just I think the biggest other thing, if you

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01:46:11,013 --> 01:46:14,372
Speaker 7: don't mind me saying without interrupting me, is that the

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01:46:14,492 --> 01:46:16,612
Speaker 7: other thing that will happen with a scamera is like,

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Speaker 7: oh my god, something really bad has happened, and can

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01:46:20,452 --> 01:46:22,253
Speaker 7: you please help me out with money? That is a

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01:46:22,452 --> 01:46:25,812
Speaker 7: very common thing, and that is what he said. He

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01:46:26,812 --> 01:46:28,852
Speaker 7: told me he had been arrested. I went at the

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Speaker 7: airport for two hours for this guy. He didn't turn up,

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Speaker 7: and then I got back and there were all these emails,

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01:46:35,372 --> 01:46:39,372
Speaker 7: I've been arrested. Can you contact my company? And then

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01:46:39,452 --> 01:46:41,372
Speaker 7: the money demand started for the lawyers.

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01:46:41,973 --> 01:46:44,492
Speaker 2: All right, so sorry, now you go.

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Speaker 3: I'll just quickly back to the first approach from him

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Speaker 3: on Instagram into your direct message. How long were you

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01:46:52,372 --> 01:46:55,812
Speaker 3: talking before he first started asking for money? Are we

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01:46:55,893 --> 01:46:56,612
Speaker 3: talking months?

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01:46:57,853 --> 01:47:00,652
Speaker 7: It was a couple of months, yep. And it was

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01:47:00,893 --> 01:47:05,773
Speaker 7: just small amounts and it was for his children, supposedly.

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01:47:08,452 --> 01:47:11,452
Speaker 7: And then and then after we had been in contact

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01:47:11,492 --> 01:47:14,333
Speaker 7: for about six months, then it was like, I'm like

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01:47:14,452 --> 01:47:16,732
Speaker 7: really in love with you and I want to come

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01:47:16,772 --> 01:47:19,052
Speaker 7: down to New Zealand, but my bank account is locked.

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01:47:19,412 --> 01:47:21,452
Speaker 7: Can you pay for it? And he knew I had

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01:47:21,452 --> 01:47:26,812
Speaker 7: an inheritance. He took all my father's inheritance, right, and

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01:47:27,093 --> 01:47:30,052
Speaker 7: so my father's hard earned money gone.

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Speaker 2: And how did that feel? Because I assume, and you

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01:47:34,692 --> 01:47:37,133
Speaker 2: tell me if I'm wrong, but you had fallen in

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01:47:37,213 --> 01:47:39,053
Speaker 2: love with him.

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Speaker 7: I know that sounds crazy, right, I mean, I know

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01:47:44,053 --> 01:47:46,812
Speaker 7: it sounds and I feel pathetic saying it in front

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01:47:46,812 --> 01:47:49,333
Speaker 7: of you, guys. I'm sorry, and to anyone who's listening.

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01:47:49,973 --> 01:47:52,812
Speaker 7: But I talked to him probably two or three times

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01:47:52,853 --> 01:47:56,532
Speaker 7: a day. I was a flight attendant, international flight attendant,

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01:47:57,053 --> 01:47:58,772
Speaker 7: so I talked to him before I left, when I

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01:47:58,853 --> 01:48:03,612
Speaker 7: arrived into the hotel, and it was daily, and it

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01:48:03,812 --> 01:48:07,092
Speaker 7: was you know, at the time, it was very lovely, okay,

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01:48:08,133 --> 01:48:11,452
Speaker 7: And oh my god, I mean, I feel like such

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01:48:11,492 --> 01:48:13,572
Speaker 7: a dick now, can you imagine?

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01:48:14,053 --> 01:48:19,012
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's easy. It's easy to say that from

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01:48:19,053 --> 01:48:21,012
Speaker 2: my perspective. But looking at it and in the same

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01:48:21,013 --> 01:48:23,093
Speaker 2: way that you're looking at it back, you can it

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01:48:23,173 --> 01:48:26,452
Speaker 2: seems so clear to you now. But did you did

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01:48:26,532 --> 01:48:32,253
Speaker 2: you explain this to friends? And did friends any red flags?

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01:48:32,333 --> 01:48:37,133
Speaker 7: Embarest? I was embarrassed. I was embarrassed. I was ashamed

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01:48:37,732 --> 01:48:39,812
Speaker 7: that I had fallen for something so stupid.

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01:48:39,973 --> 01:48:41,812
Speaker 2: But what I mean when it was going on, were

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01:48:41,853 --> 01:48:44,412
Speaker 2: you saying to your friends, I've met this guy, and

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01:48:46,053 --> 01:48:48,412
Speaker 2: did they say did any of them raise it and

2291
01:48:48,492 --> 01:48:50,173
Speaker 2: say you sure this is legit?

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01:48:52,173 --> 01:48:55,213
Speaker 7: They kind of seemed happy for me. They said, maybe

2293
01:48:55,253 --> 01:48:57,812
Speaker 7: you should check it out a bit and I did

2294
01:48:58,013 --> 01:49:02,852
Speaker 7: check it out somewhat. But one thing also was the

2295
01:49:03,333 --> 01:49:06,612
Speaker 7: identity that this guy had stolen as one of the

2296
01:49:06,812 --> 01:49:14,612
Speaker 7: most stolen identities on the internet, his face, right, And

2297
01:49:14,812 --> 01:49:19,053
Speaker 7: I didn't bloody know that. Yeah, and I didn't know that.

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01:49:19,213 --> 01:49:22,733
Speaker 7: And then when I when things started to become unhinged,

2299
01:49:23,173 --> 01:49:27,013
Speaker 7: I did start doing some real investigative work. And God

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01:49:27,053 --> 01:49:29,972
Speaker 7: bless the guy who the real man of the face

2301
01:49:30,173 --> 01:49:32,253
Speaker 7: of the person I thought I was talking to. He

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01:49:32,372 --> 01:49:36,572
Speaker 7: did a twenty minute video talk because he has his

2303
01:49:36,732 --> 01:49:38,612
Speaker 7: face has been used so much for scamming?

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01:49:38,933 --> 01:49:39,053
Speaker 4: Is it?

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01:49:39,213 --> 01:49:40,972
Speaker 2: Is it the perfect face for is it something?

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01:49:41,053 --> 01:49:41,173
Speaker 7: Is that?

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01:49:41,452 --> 01:49:41,612
Speaker 11: Is it?

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01:49:42,133 --> 01:49:42,492
Speaker 20: I don't know?

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01:49:42,772 --> 01:49:43,052
Speaker 7: Maybe?

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01:49:43,452 --> 01:49:43,652
Speaker 20: Yeah?

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01:49:44,293 --> 01:49:49,213
Speaker 2: Wow? And did you ever have it? Did you ever?

2312
01:49:50,133 --> 01:49:52,053
Speaker 2: Did you ever have a manage to ever? And one

2313
01:49:52,053 --> 01:49:53,852
Speaker 2: thing people can do now is you can drag a

2314
01:49:53,973 --> 01:49:59,572
Speaker 2: picture into and Google do image search, and so you

2315
01:49:59,652 --> 01:50:02,133
Speaker 2: can do that. But did you ever have a confrontation

2316
01:50:02,412 --> 01:50:04,333
Speaker 2: with this this fake gentleman?

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01:50:05,053 --> 01:50:08,253
Speaker 7: Oh my god? So many times? Right, so many times,

2318
01:50:08,572 --> 01:50:11,893
Speaker 7: and he's still still denied it. It wouldn't matter what

2319
01:50:12,013 --> 01:50:14,772
Speaker 7: I said. You know, he's I'm pretty sure he's a

2320
01:50:14,853 --> 01:50:19,452
Speaker 7: Nigerian scammer. And you know, unfortunately that is the biggest

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01:50:19,612 --> 01:50:24,093
Speaker 7: place for scamming. But just the thing is that not

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01:50:24,253 --> 01:50:27,612
Speaker 7: only did I lose my career from the stress, oh no,

2323
01:50:27,812 --> 01:50:31,372
Speaker 7: I lost like because I was so stressed out. This

2324
01:50:31,492 --> 01:50:35,133
Speaker 7: guy was supposedly in jail, so you.

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01:50:35,173 --> 01:50:37,612
Speaker 2: Were stressed out about you were stressed out about his problems,

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01:50:38,093 --> 01:50:43,093
Speaker 2: his fake provins. Oh man, that's hijacked empathy, isn't it. Yeah,

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01:50:43,213 --> 01:50:44,333
Speaker 2: I mean that's the evil of it.

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01:50:44,853 --> 01:50:48,932
Speaker 7: My career an eighty five thousand dollar career money.

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01:50:49,333 --> 01:50:52,692
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think you should feel embarrassed or crazy

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01:50:52,732 --> 01:50:54,973
Speaker 3: about that at all. It I mean, that's the insidious

2331
01:50:55,093 --> 01:50:57,893
Speaker 3: nature of these sort of scams. That tangled web the

2332
01:50:58,013 --> 01:51:02,252
Speaker 3: scammer was weaving. You know, it is looking back on hindsight,

2333
01:51:02,333 --> 01:51:04,213
Speaker 3: of course you may think that, and as you said,

2334
01:51:04,253 --> 01:51:06,572
Speaker 3: Matt sitting here, but it is.

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01:51:07,013 --> 01:51:07,173
Speaker 7: You know.

2336
01:51:07,333 --> 01:51:11,573
Speaker 3: That's why works so often is because of the manipulation

2337
01:51:11,732 --> 01:51:15,133
Speaker 3: over a long period of time, and it is so

2338
01:51:15,293 --> 01:51:15,772
Speaker 3: so common.

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01:51:16,053 --> 01:51:16,253
Speaker 16: Yeah.

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01:51:16,412 --> 01:51:20,293
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, look, yeah, and look, thank you for

2341
01:51:20,372 --> 01:51:23,213
Speaker 2: your honesty and sharing because it will help people. I mean,

2342
01:51:23,732 --> 01:51:26,452
Speaker 2: and you know, the past isn't a realm that you

2343
01:51:26,532 --> 01:51:28,612
Speaker 2: can exist, and so you've got to forgive yourself and

2344
01:51:29,372 --> 01:51:33,293
Speaker 2: learn from it and move forward. A net. But you

2345
01:51:33,372 --> 01:51:35,492
Speaker 2: know there'll be a lot of people listening that will

2346
01:51:35,532 --> 01:51:37,173
Speaker 2: be help from you sharing that story.

2347
01:51:38,093 --> 01:51:41,452
Speaker 7: If anyone asked for money, don't give it to them

2348
01:51:41,492 --> 01:51:44,572
Speaker 7: if you have not met them. That is my biggest thing.

2349
01:51:44,772 --> 01:51:48,093
Speaker 7: Please for all the viewers or hearers or whatever, just

2350
01:51:48,213 --> 01:51:51,813
Speaker 7: don't give anyone money. Yeah, because yeah, anyway.

2351
01:51:51,532 --> 01:51:54,293
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, thank you for sharing. Yeah, really good.

2352
01:51:54,692 --> 01:51:57,372
Speaker 2: And definitely don't go anywhere near the Google Play gift

2353
01:51:57,452 --> 01:52:00,452
Speaker 2: cards or the Apple App Store iTunes cards.

2354
01:52:00,572 --> 01:52:03,253
Speaker 3: That's a biggie. Yeah right, We're going to play some messages,

2355
01:52:03,293 --> 01:52:06,372
Speaker 3: but when we come back, we'll take a few more calls.

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01:52:06,452 --> 01:52:07,612
Speaker 3: It is thirteen to four.

2357
01:52:08,572 --> 01:52:11,892
Speaker 1: Matt Heath, Tyler Adams with you is your afternoon rolls

2358
01:52:11,973 --> 01:52:15,372
Speaker 1: on Mad Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons news talks.

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01:52:15,372 --> 01:52:17,852
Speaker 3: It'd be very good afternoon here. It is teen to

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01:52:18,173 --> 01:52:20,852
Speaker 3: four a nistor. How are you this afternoon?

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01:52:22,612 --> 01:52:24,253
Speaker 27: Hi, gentlemen, how's it going?

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01:52:24,572 --> 01:52:24,772
Speaker 10: Yeah?

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01:52:24,853 --> 01:52:25,093
Speaker 1: Good?

2364
01:52:25,293 --> 01:52:27,093
Speaker 3: Now we've only got a couple of minutes, snister, so

2365
01:52:27,372 --> 01:52:29,253
Speaker 3: are you yeah, we'll tell you your sorry.

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01:52:30,492 --> 01:52:33,812
Speaker 27: Yeah, well, last last Thursday, I've got to miss it.

2367
01:52:34,133 --> 01:52:36,772
Speaker 27: I've got a call and said, oh is this nestor Yeah, yeah,

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01:52:36,853 --> 01:52:39,333
Speaker 27: this is oh is there? And they told me my

2369
01:52:40,053 --> 01:52:42,173
Speaker 27: they have me. Am, is this your email?

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01:52:42,293 --> 01:52:42,452
Speaker 4: Yes?

2371
01:52:42,572 --> 01:52:45,452
Speaker 27: Yes, oh you you you were a customer of US

2372
01:52:45,772 --> 01:52:48,372
Speaker 27: a year ago or a couple of years ago, but

2373
01:52:48,572 --> 01:52:52,372
Speaker 27: we haven't heard from you. And you invested two hundred

2374
01:52:52,372 --> 01:52:57,892
Speaker 27: and fifty dollars on some cryptal currency currency and right

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01:52:57,933 --> 01:53:03,213
Speaker 27: now you've got twenty so but we haven't metal just

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01:53:03,293 --> 01:53:06,772
Speaker 27: checking you. Oh I don't I can't really remember that,

2377
01:53:06,933 --> 01:53:10,732
Speaker 27: but whatever, you know. And then they were very nice,

2378
01:53:10,812 --> 01:53:14,293
Speaker 27: very friendly. I said, oh, we'll show you. So I was,

2379
01:53:14,452 --> 01:53:16,812
Speaker 27: I was home out on my computer. They told me

2380
01:53:16,893 --> 01:53:19,732
Speaker 27: where to go and it was a legit looked like

2381
01:53:19,772 --> 01:53:23,692
Speaker 27: a legit page and then oh that that does the count.

2382
01:53:23,933 --> 01:53:25,852
Speaker 27: And they gave me the path where everything go in.

2383
01:53:26,412 --> 01:53:27,652
Speaker 27: And they said, oh, what do you want to do

2384
01:53:27,732 --> 01:53:29,572
Speaker 27: with it? I said, well I didn't. I didn't not

2385
01:53:29,692 --> 01:53:31,652
Speaker 27: have that, but will be good to cash out, you know,

2386
01:53:31,973 --> 01:53:36,253
Speaker 27: because I'm I'm gonna call on holidays, And all of

2387
01:53:36,333 --> 01:53:40,852
Speaker 27: a sudden there's two women calling me and on on

2388
01:53:44,532 --> 01:53:48,173
Speaker 27: or on video call and stuff like that, and they

2389
01:53:48,213 --> 01:53:53,932
Speaker 27: were so something, so legit. And then they said, oh,

2390
01:53:54,532 --> 01:53:56,053
Speaker 27: do you know I have to use this problem? No, no,

2391
01:53:56,293 --> 01:54:02,372
Speaker 27: not show Oh we we can. Then they stop remote okay,

2392
01:54:02,572 --> 01:54:06,253
Speaker 27: you know I did that, and and they were setting

2393
01:54:06,372 --> 01:54:09,492
Speaker 27: helping me to set up another account on on another

2394
01:54:09,572 --> 01:54:12,452
Speaker 27: week because the creeketoor you can first place strict at

2395
01:54:12,452 --> 01:54:16,173
Speaker 27: your bank. And the moment they said, oh two, okay,

2396
01:54:16,253 --> 01:54:17,973
Speaker 27: you can put your bank account it tas here and

2397
01:54:18,412 --> 01:54:23,013
Speaker 27: we'll be terseer and moment opened down, I thought, hold of, miss,

2398
01:54:23,412 --> 01:54:26,333
Speaker 27: excuse me, but I'm not going to give you my

2399
01:54:26,412 --> 01:54:27,933
Speaker 27: bank account like that.

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01:54:28,492 --> 01:54:32,253
Speaker 3: Thank god you said that. Yeah, now, I mean that

2401
01:54:32,493 --> 01:54:34,812
Speaker 3: is a telltale and quite a common scam. And thank

2402
01:54:34,893 --> 01:54:38,772
Speaker 3: god the red flag popped up for you when it did,

2403
01:54:38,812 --> 01:54:40,893
Speaker 3: my friend, thank you very much for your call. It

2404
01:54:41,213 --> 01:54:43,293
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2405
01:54:43,333 --> 01:54:44,173
Speaker 3: on news talks it be.

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01:54:45,013 --> 01:54:48,373
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

2407
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01:54:52,853 --> 01:54:53,133
Speaker 7: It be.

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Speaker 3: News talks there be it is five to four.

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01:54:56,853 --> 01:54:58,333
Speaker 2: It's been a great chat. As I always say, a

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01:54:58,413 --> 01:55:00,772
Speaker 2: scam shared is a victim speared. So thank you so

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01:55:00,893 --> 01:55:03,653
Speaker 2: much for all those stories. Boy Anne, that's thank you

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01:55:03,733 --> 01:55:06,052
Speaker 2: so much for sharing that. That's credible. But little things

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01:55:06,093 --> 01:55:08,253
Speaker 2: that we've spotted. I guess I've learned this, say our

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01:55:08,493 --> 01:55:11,852
Speaker 2: If you can put someone's image in Google searches and

2416
01:55:11,893 --> 01:55:14,133
Speaker 2: will bring up and you know, and that person was

2417
01:55:14,173 --> 01:55:16,253
Speaker 2: a very famous image that she was being scammed by.

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01:55:17,453 --> 01:55:19,453
Speaker 2: Don't take it off the platform that you're on. Don't

2419
01:55:19,493 --> 01:55:23,333
Speaker 2: go to another off platform thing to discuss. Don't give

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01:55:23,413 --> 01:55:26,253
Speaker 2: money to someone you have just met and haven't met

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01:55:26,293 --> 01:55:28,852
Speaker 2: in person. And if someone says their account is locked,

2422
01:55:28,893 --> 01:55:32,053
Speaker 2: it isn't. They're scamming you. And whatever you do, don't

2423
01:55:32,093 --> 01:55:37,092
Speaker 2: go get involved in anything that involves Apple gift cards

2424
01:55:37,173 --> 01:55:40,132
Speaker 2: or Google gift cards, you know, because that's a massive

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01:55:40,173 --> 01:55:42,852
Speaker 2: red fag because they're so easy launder and there's no

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01:55:43,653 --> 01:55:46,413
Speaker 2: trail from them. All right, thank you so much for listening.

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01:55:46,493 --> 01:55:49,013
Speaker 2: Everyone loved our chat today. It's been it's been a

2428
01:55:49,173 --> 01:55:52,293
Speaker 2: fantastic old time. These last four hours of radio. Our

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01:55:52,333 --> 01:55:56,293
Speaker 2: podcast will be available in about an hour from right now.

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01:55:56,613 --> 01:55:59,653
Speaker 2: The great and powerful Paul Holmes Broadcaster of the Year,

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Speaker 2: Heatherdop with the Ellen is up next. But Tyler, my

2432
01:56:01,973 --> 01:56:03,613
Speaker 2: good friend, tell me why am I playing the song

2433
01:56:03,893 --> 01:56:04,892
Speaker 2: I'm a Loser by back?

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01:56:05,333 --> 01:56:05,573
Speaker 20: Ah?

2435
01:56:05,853 --> 01:56:07,812
Speaker 3: So this could go both ways? Is this because we

2436
01:56:07,893 --> 01:56:11,972
Speaker 3: had such a low turnout and nobody bothered to vote.

2437
01:56:12,173 --> 01:56:14,493
Speaker 3: Or is it because there's a few people out there

2438
01:56:14,533 --> 01:56:16,893
Speaker 3: that lost a bit of money by scammers?

2439
01:56:17,133 --> 01:56:19,013
Speaker 2: Wow, I now it's I'm a loser because I did

2440
01:56:19,053 --> 01:56:20,812
Speaker 2: a whole show telling people to vote in the local

2441
01:56:20,853 --> 01:56:23,772
Speaker 2: body elections in there, filled out my forms and left

2442
01:56:23,812 --> 01:56:25,173
Speaker 2: them on the counter and didn't vote.

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01:56:25,253 --> 01:56:27,013
Speaker 3: Beautifully done. Yeah, fantastic.

2444
01:56:27,093 --> 01:56:31,373
Speaker 2: I'm a loser. Baby, Why don't you kill me? Great song?

2445
01:56:31,573 --> 01:56:32,093
Speaker 3: Great song?

2446
01:56:32,253 --> 01:56:36,373
Speaker 2: All right until tomorrow after noon. Give them a taste.

2447
01:56:36,573 --> 01:56:38,373
Speaker 2: Keiwi from us Alessia.

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01:56:38,613 --> 01:56:59,653
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