1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,960 Speaker 1: Other matters. What do we make of these reports that 2 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 1: the Russians and the Indonesians are cozying up. Russia's looking 3 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: to park a little bit of long range airpower we 4 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:08,480 Speaker 1: think about thirteen hundred k's from Australia. 5 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 2: Darwin. 6 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: Of course, Putin and Subianto seem to be increasingly friendly. 7 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 1: International geopolitical analyst Jeffrey Millers with U. Jeffrey, very good 8 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: morning to you. 9 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 2: Good morning mate. 10 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: They denied all So who do we believe? 11 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 2: Well, look, there's the old saying from Bismark that never 12 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 2: believe anything in politics until it's been officially been denied. 13 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 2: And yet there has been a categoric denial from Indonesia 14 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 2: on this, and I think we should take them at 15 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:36,279 Speaker 2: their words, Mike, because it wouldn't really fit with Indonesian 16 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,480 Speaker 2: foreign policy. They have the foreign policy of non alignment, 17 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 2: and they've conducted military exercises with Russia in the past, 18 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 2: in the recent past, but they've also conducted exercises with Australia, 19 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 2: the US, and China, and I think that tells you 20 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:51,480 Speaker 2: really everything about how they approach the world. 21 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 1: Okay, so we don't need to panic about it. How 22 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: would China react if it was true, for example, would 23 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: they be bothered by that given their relationship with the war. 24 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 2: I don't think so. As such, it's an interesting question, well, 25 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 2: how China would actually see this look. I think all 26 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 2: of this is just a reflection of the continued escalating 27 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 2: tensions that we're seeing around the region, around the world. 28 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 2: So you know, we should take this seriously. There's probably 29 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 2: something to it. It came out of the James Defense website. 30 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 2: I don't think they've made this up out of thin air. 31 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 2: There must be something to it somewhere. Peter Dutton, though 32 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 2: in Australia, is going to hype this up. He called 33 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 2: it a catastrophic failure. Yes today the fact that Anthony 34 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 2: Albaneze he didn't seem to know anything about it before 35 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 2: James published it, and he is going to hype this 36 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 2: up because we've got the TV debate on tonight and 37 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 2: he's got a vested interest in turning the page, moving 38 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 2: on from some of the gaps in his campaign and 39 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 2: turning the focus to this hard security. But I think 40 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 2: we need to be very careful about calling countries, big 41 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 2: countries and the global South like Indonesia, what they can 42 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 2: and can't do with the military paces. And we should 43 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 2: also remember, Mike that Russia is also part of the 44 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 2: Age of Pacific. They've had a Pacific Week based on 45 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 2: near that of Ostok since seventeen thirty one. We sometimes 46 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 2: forget that Russia is also a native Pacific power as 47 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 2: well as a European one. 48 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: Good insighteners always, Jeffrey, appreciate it. Jeffrey Miller, International Geopolitical Analysts, 49 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: thirty minutes past seven. 50 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 2: For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to 51 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 2: news talks it'd be from six am weekdays, or follow 52 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio.