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Speaker 1: The debate of a compulsory teaching a Marii lessons for

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Speaker 1: law students. So we've talked about this on the program

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Speaker 1: before reaches Parliament today King's Council Gary Judd's taking his

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Speaker 1: fight to the Government Regulations Review Select Committee. Now he

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Speaker 1: argues the Council of Legal Education is stepping outside it's

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Speaker 1: remit by forcing non proper law subject on students and

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Speaker 1: Gary's back with us. Gary, morning to you since we

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Speaker 1: last talked, what sort of reaction have you got?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think the people are becoming more and more

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Speaker 2: understanding of the fact that we have an activist of

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Speaker 2: politically activist judiciary at the moment. This of course is

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Speaker 2: not all judges, but some of them seem to have

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Speaker 2: gained the view that instead of being there as impartial

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Speaker 2: deciders of the particular case, they are there to make

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Speaker 2: an unmake law, which of course is the province of Parliament.

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Speaker 2: Now this committee, the Regulation Review Committee, has the ability

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Speaker 2: to send a very strong signal that this is not

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Speaker 2: acceptable by disallowing regulations which have been passed by the

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Speaker 2: Council of Legal Education to make tea Kunger compulsory for

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Speaker 2: law students and to infuse Tea Kunger into all aspects

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Speaker 2: of our legal system. Now, if the Committee decides that

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Speaker 2: it should move a resolution in the House to disallow

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Speaker 2: these regulations, it will be sending a powerful signal to

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Speaker 2: those who should hear it that this is not acceptable. Well, if,

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Speaker 2: on the other hand, they decide not to do anything,

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Speaker 2: they will essentially be seen as giving the green light

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Speaker 2: to what is ready his political activisity.

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Speaker 1: Here's my problem, Gary, I talked to the Prime Minister

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Speaker 1: about something very similar. The Solicitor General's instructions for prosecution

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Speaker 1: in the Court says of January this year he ran

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Speaker 1: for the hills. He says, it's all independent, it's not

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Speaker 1: about me. There's nothing I can do. I don't like

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Speaker 1: the sound of it. Why wouldn't the Committee say the

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Speaker 1: same thing today? All the courts don't want to touch them?

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Speaker 2: Well, well think they do. But I think this actually

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Speaker 2: is a watershed moment for Parliament. If they don't do anything,

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Speaker 2: This is the point that I'm making. If they don't

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Speaker 2: do anything, they will be seen to be giving the

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Speaker 2: green light to the sort of activism and it is

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Speaker 2: very very damaging to New Zealand socially, but not just

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Speaker 2: socially but also economically. Because tea Hunger is a sort

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Speaker 2: of a flexible type of it's interpreted.

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Speaker 1: You can make it, you can interpret it any way

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Speaker 1: you like.

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Speaker 2: It's not really law at all. Now, you know, for

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Speaker 2: accustom to the over hundreds of years it's been a

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Speaker 2: law was built up that for a custom to be

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Speaker 2: accepted as law, it had to be certain and consistent,

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Speaker 2: it had to be reasonable, and it had to be

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Speaker 2: not repugnant to justice and morality. Now, what the Supreme

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Speaker 2: Court has said is that because Tea Kunger cannot satisfy

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Speaker 2: those tests, therefore the tests have to change. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it really is an unbelievable situation because if the judges

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Speaker 2: were doing their job properly, they would have said, those

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Speaker 2: things are required before a customer can be recognized as law.

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Speaker 2: Ta Kunger cannot satisfy those requirements. Therefore we reject the

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Speaker 2: notion of Tea Kung of being part of the law.

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Speaker 1: You were one hundred percent correct, Gary, But whether or

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Speaker 1: not you'll get that across the line today is going

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Speaker 1: to be a great fascination to me. So I appreciate

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Speaker 1: your time very much, Gary. Jud caase for more from

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