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Speaker 1: From the treaty grounds at Whitehongy to the events that

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Speaker 1: celebrate our country. It's White Tonguey Day, Breakfast with Andrew

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Speaker 1: Dickins News Talks at be As.

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Speaker 2: Good morning to you. It's now seven minutes after seven

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Speaker 2: another year at White Tonguey has rolled around. The official

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Speaker 2: dawn service has been held this morning. The usual political

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Speaker 2: angst has been on display at White Tongy. Yesterday the

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Speaker 2: Prime Minister Christopher Luxen heckled during his speech this morning.

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Speaker 2: David Seymour was shouted at, and the flashpoint remains debate

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Speaker 2: about interpretations of the treaty principles and the wider outcomes

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Speaker 2: for Malori. So joining me now is Toama Putuka, the

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Speaker 2: Maori Development Minister. Good morning to your minister. Good morning

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Speaker 2: to your minister.

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Speaker 1: Giorday Andrew, and top of the morning to you too.

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Speaker 2: You're at the airport coming to Auckland. Why aren't you

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Speaker 2: at White Tonguy today.

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Speaker 1: I've been up here for nearly the whole week and

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Speaker 1: I'm returning to attend the celebrations in Hamilton and particularly

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Speaker 1: in Hamilton westmin Are.

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Speaker 2: Literally isn't it importantn't to be there on the day?

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Speaker 2: Just to celebrate the document that brought us all together

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Speaker 2: in the first place.

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Speaker 1: Well, there are a range of activities and events that

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Speaker 1: take place during the weekend. I've been the MINISTERI or

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Speaker 1: lead for those. There are the ministers that will be

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Speaker 1: there today, particularly doctor Shane Matua Takua, doctor Shanvetti who

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Speaker 1: will be representing the government as a senior minister in place.

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Speaker 1: And of course I came back to Hamilton to represent

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Speaker 1: the people of Hamilton West and our own celebrations and

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Speaker 1: actually to attend to Toungy done that way.

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Speaker 2: Did you feel that Mari at White Toungy were disappointed

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Speaker 2: in your decision?

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Speaker 1: No, not at all. People recognize that all of us

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Speaker 1: have our own electrics to attend to and go back

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Speaker 1: to and represent as well. So I'm very happy to

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Speaker 1: return and since our chies stations have been up when

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Speaker 1: I was a whole range of other activities.

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Speaker 2: Now, while you were at White Tongy, some of the

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Speaker 2: crowd called you a sellout and some called you a traitor.

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Speaker 2: Now how did you handle that?

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Speaker 1: Oh, people have some strong views, but I listen and

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Speaker 1: hear their views and represent the government on a range

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Speaker 1: of portfollows and demonstrate and advise and advocate for the

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Speaker 1: work that we've been involved in, which has been very

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Speaker 1: engaging and partnering of many organizations up here in Northland

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Speaker 1: but actually throughout the country.

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Speaker 2: Now, you said yesterday that the government wants to lower

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Speaker 2: the temperature on treaty debate. But what responsibility does this

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Speaker 2: government bear if that temperature has risen over the treating

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Speaker 2: principles debate.

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Speaker 1: Well, I cannot recall saying that myself, but what I

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Speaker 1: did say is that there are a range of initiatives

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Speaker 1: that were involved that actually address or partner with Mary

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Speaker 1: and dealing to some of the most comprehensive challenges of

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Speaker 1: our time. Mighty and particularly here in Northland, really want

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Speaker 1: to do what many other New Zealanders want to do,

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Speaker 1: which has improved the economy, improve health and education for

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Speaker 1: our children and grandchildren, and make sure that there are

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Speaker 1: less law and order and criminal activities taking place. Most

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Speaker 1: Mighty that I talk with up here also want to

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Speaker 1: deal with the treaty settlements arrangements in Northold. So I

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Speaker 1: think we're on the same page. It's how we get

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Speaker 1: there that's one of the key challenges. Now.

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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister yesterday said that Article three of the

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Speaker 2: treaty must guarantee equality of opportunity and while it cannot

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Speaker 2: and should not guarantee equality of outcomes, because that is socialism.

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Speaker 2: It's the endless work to make the starting line in

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Speaker 2: life more equal. Now do you agree with that sentiment absolutely?

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Speaker 1: When you think about the immunization rate for the two

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Speaker 1: year olds when we came into government for Mary was

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Speaker 1: less than seventy percent Andrew, that is absolutely outrageous, particularly

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Speaker 1: when the Key English government had that immunization rate for

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Speaker 1: two year old Manory up over around ninety two ninety

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Speaker 1: three percent. So that drop off as something that we

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Speaker 1: just won't tolerate with the National Party and we won't

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Speaker 1: out there with Minister Brown and others supporting far No

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Speaker 1: water providers and others to get that immunization rate up.

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Speaker 1: That's just one clear example where we will not accept

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Speaker 1: that type of disproportionate statistics. Marighty children, do.

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Speaker 2: You think, after all the algibati of the last eighteen

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Speaker 2: months that this week has seen a feeling that you

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Speaker 2: can actually provide a positive direction for milding and for

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Speaker 2: all of us of that going forward.

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Speaker 1: While we attended the National he which is from a

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Speaker 1: couple of days ago on Wednesday, and there's a real

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Speaker 1: and National Party as a believer and devolution when it's credible,

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Speaker 1: and that's why we've been out there with eware Maori

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Speaker 1: organizations and actually community housing providers to devolve funding for

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Speaker 1: them to build affordable housing and other ranges of accommodation

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Speaker 1: to actually support those in serious housing deprivation. That's just

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Speaker 1: one example where it's very, very constructive and positive. There

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Speaker 1: are other parts and performative parts and public that manifest

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Speaker 1: themselves in different ways on them that I am elsewhere,

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Speaker 1: but certainly from a National Party perspective and a government perspective,

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Speaker 1: we're about working closely with Mary, closely with other community

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Speaker 1: groups to make sure that we u plust the economy.

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Speaker 1: And we sought these public services out for which for

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Speaker 1: many years under previous administration went to look very well.

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Speaker 2: And finally and just briefly, are you going to be

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Speaker 2: able to save the Chateau Tongueiro from demolition?

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm looking to get an out an RFP shortly

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Speaker 1: and there are several parties who are exp interest in

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Speaker 1: the EI process and importantly did some initial seismic work

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Speaker 1: which wasn't really done in the early reviews of the

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Speaker 1: shadow situation. So you know, I'm pretty dedicated to getting

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Speaker 1: things done on the conservation of state, and one of

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Speaker 1: them is making sure we go through a process that

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Speaker 1: identifies a preferred candidate to take on a lease or

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Speaker 1: concession of sort sort of chateau and make that place

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Speaker 1: great again.

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Speaker 2: Mate, all right, very good, well, look happy waite tonguey

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Speaker 2: day to you, and thank you for joining us today.

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Speaker 1: Good to toning you money. Good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: And that is the Marti Development Minister, Tama Portaka. And

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Speaker 2: this is news salts here b. It is twelve minutes

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Speaker 2: after seven. I'm Andrew Dickens. This is the White Tongue

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Speaker 2: of day breakfast. Been a white rough week for water

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Speaker 2: infrastructure of course. Bromley hello, and now Wellington and Moore point.

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Speaker 2: We'll have more on this in a moment here on

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