1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,680 Speaker 1: Good afternoon. The Maori Party has officially expelled two of 2 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 1: its MP's. The party's co leaders confirmed today that Maria 3 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:08,480 Speaker 1: Mental Kappa Kingi and Taku the Feras have been removed 4 00:00:08,480 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: from the party, effective immediately. Both have indicated they intend 5 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: to fight this decision. To da flavel Is, the former 6 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 1: co leader of the Maori Party and with us hi 7 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: to do you think that the party is now going 8 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 1: to trigger the walker jumping law and force these two 9 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:23,760 Speaker 1: out of parliament altogether. 10 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 2: Well, that seems to be the intention from the leadership, 11 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 2: but I think there's a little bit of water to 12 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 2: go unto the bridge as yet. I understand that this 13 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 2: sort of may well be some you know, legal challenges 14 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 2: to process and what's been and what has happened. So 15 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 2: I think there's a little bit more water to go 16 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 2: under the bridge. 17 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:44,959 Speaker 1: Unfortunately, depending on how long that takes, they could run 18 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 1: out of time, right because they have to do it 19 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:47,840 Speaker 1: in the first half of next year. 20 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean the hope would be that at 21 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 2: one you know, I think people from what I've heard 22 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 2: seen and questions asked of me, is that people are 23 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 2: over it huge disappointed like me with the outcome of 24 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 2: what happened with the National Council, but there is I 25 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 2: think many of us hang on to an element of 26 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 2: hope that there's a possibility of bringing the parties back together. 27 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 2: I mean, the Constitution of the Mighty Party says that 28 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 2: you try and make decisions by consensus, and consensus has 29 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 2: explained to us and work through. When we were doing 30 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 2: the constitution was you hang in, you stay, you keep talking, 31 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 2: you work it through, you try and bring everybody over 32 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 2: the line with you, and according to the processes as 33 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 2: it's sort of been reported, that never quite happened, but 34 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 2: it'll be for others to determine that. And so we 35 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 2: hang with some hope that there will be an element 36 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 2: of bringing the parties together, although the scigns aren't all 37 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 2: that creasure at them. 38 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: I mean, is it even possible to it all? If 39 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: you've released like like John palmerhadan has a lot have done, 40 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: released all of that damaging information about people like Marie 41 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: I mean, Orkapa KENI how can you possibly bring. 42 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 2: Her back well? I mean that's part of the issue 43 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 2: is that some people have heard some of the story 44 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 2: but not heard all of the story. Unsure the people 45 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 2: liked JT and Aiba. 46 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 1: How can she come back and then us trust the 47 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: judgment of somebody like John Tabaheta who released part of 48 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: the story. 49 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 2: Well, that's true. That's the problem that there's issues on 50 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 2: both sides of the fence, and neither of those have 51 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 2: been presented, at least to the membership, whom one would 52 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 2: think that there's an element of responsibility to report back to. 53 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 2: Most of the discussion has been, you know, with those 54 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 2: people in those electorates, so people don't know the full story. 55 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:34,600 Speaker 2: And the hope would have been that, you know, you 56 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 2: get a group of people to work out the truth 57 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 2: and then the truth what actually happened on both sides 58 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 2: of the fence, come to some conclusions, and then work 59 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 2: there through. But unfortunately that hasn't quite happened. 60 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: Does this hurt the Malori parties vote. 61 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 2: Without a doubt everything that I've seen, albeit I've been 62 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 2: away out of the country, but I've been keeping a 63 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 2: track on what's been going on that there's not one 64 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 2: post that I've seen that even there are posts that 65 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 2: say we still have hope with with the hope that 66 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 2: the Mighty Party can sort stuff out, but pretty much 67 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 2: most of the reaction that I've seen has been very negative. 68 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 2: It's that people have been disappointed, sad, angry, sort of 69 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 2: hopeful that things would have been turned around, but just 70 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 2: just sad about the whole situation that two of these 71 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 2: MPs that came in together with a huge element of hope, 72 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 2: having gathered six of the seven mighty seats, would bring 73 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 2: things over the line and at least wave the flag 74 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 2: in terms of mighty aspirations. And they've done that, and 75 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 2: they've done that future this point in time unfortunately, just 76 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 2: it just it's just not working. 77 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: Does JT have to go? 78 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 2: Well, that's one of the considerations that many people say 79 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 2: as an option, but clearly, well it's not for me 80 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 2: to say. I say, but I think that there's if 81 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 2: you're looking at the whole party, you know, generally you 82 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 2: reflect on the leadership that's been given both as political 83 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 2: leaders and the party leaders. He's got to be responsibility 84 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 2: for all parties and you can only ever find that 85 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 2: out by having some sort of investigation into what happened. 86 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 2: And there's still time, and there still is I think 87 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 2: I spoke to you not long ago. There's about a 88 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,279 Speaker 2: year or so to the next election this time to 89 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 2: sort some of the stuff out. But it's definitely coming 90 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 2: to your questions, definitely damaging at the moment. 91 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: Hey, thank you as always for your time to uit 92 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: a level form of AARTI Party co leader. 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