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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks at Me.

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Speaker 2: You know, I am generally highly skeptical of conspiracy theories.

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Speaker 2: Call me old fashioned, but I am pretty sure Yep,

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Speaker 2: we did land on the moon. I think nine to

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Speaker 2: eleven was al qaeder, not an inside job. And this

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Speaker 2: is crazy, I know, but I think climate change is real.

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Speaker 2: But I've got to admit I have been captivated by

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Speaker 2: the information released in the Epstein files. And while I

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Speaker 2: don't think it reveals a coordinated pedophile ring, the trove

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Speaker 2: of information released so far it has been far more

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Speaker 2: enlightening than I ever anticipated it would be. Truthfully, I

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Speaker 2: thought it would be a bit of a nothing burger,

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Speaker 2: and I was wrong. It's not that the files necessarily

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Speaker 2: prove greater illegality. Many people thought the dump would reveal

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Speaker 2: a client list of the global elite, a black book

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Speaker 2: of politicians, billionaires, CEOs, celebs and royalty who had committed

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Speaker 2: the most appalling crimes and who would be immediately rounded

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Speaker 2: up and brought to justice. And so far, at least,

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Speaker 2: it does not have that. It doesn't, but it has

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Speaker 2: illuminated a web of connections and relationships among the wealthy

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Speaker 2: and powerful that we might never have known existed, And honestly,

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Speaker 2: it's quite extraordinary to see the ways in which power

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Speaker 2: and acquaintances and relationships have been leveraged. There are several

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Speaker 2: standout takeaways for me. So first of all, just the

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Speaker 2: sheer volume of information, thousands of videos, hundreds of thousands

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Speaker 2: of photos, millions of messages and emails. Was there anything

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Speaker 2: that this guy didn't document? And there are still millions

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Speaker 2: of documents that haven't yet been released. Secondly, the impact

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Speaker 2: to the files are having in countries outside the United States.

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Speaker 2: So although they name heaps of big, powerful figures in

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Speaker 2: the US, many of whom are closely connected to the

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Speaker 2: President or to the Clintons, the blowback has arguably been

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Speaker 2: curiously stronger in other parts of the world. So consider this. Overnight.

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Speaker 2: Just overnight, the Crown Princess of Norway has publicly apologized

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Speaker 2: to Norway's King and Queen after her close relationship with

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Speaker 2: Epstein was illuminated. As we go to air, police in

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Speaker 2: the UK are searching the properties of Peter Mandelson, the

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Speaker 2: man who until just a few weeks ago was the

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Speaker 2: UK's ambassador to the US, and who's one of many

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Speaker 2: people who, after initially talking down their relationship with Epstein

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Speaker 2: trying to say, oh, no, you know, I knew the guy,

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Speaker 2: but not very well, has been proven to have been

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Speaker 2: far far closer to the man, to have visited him,

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Speaker 2: to have stayed with him well after his initial conviction.

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Speaker 2: They de Rothschild, who's the CEO of the Rothschild Swiss Bank,

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Speaker 2: previously said she only met Epstein on bank business, but

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Speaker 2: the files suggest a much much chummier relationship, Epstein inviting

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Speaker 2: her to stay at his apartment. And my third takeaway

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Speaker 2: is that even though nothing illegal is alleged on their behalf,

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Speaker 2: some of the high profile names associated with Epstein have

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Speaker 2: I think irredeemably tarnished their reputations through their enduring relationships

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Speaker 2: with him. Bill Gates continuing to communicate with Epstein for years,

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Speaker 2: Noam Chomsky tendering advice to Epstein on surviving a media

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Speaker 2: storm relating to his criminal charges, And of course, the

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Speaker 2: greatest fall from grace outside of Epstein himself, the former

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Speaker 2: Prince Andrew totally disgraced, stripped of his title with no

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Speaker 2: realistic path back to public. The files may not have

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Speaker 2: proved a great conspiracy, but they have been incredibly illuminating,

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Speaker 2: and as I've digested all of the reporting and analysis

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Speaker 2: the communications of incredibly powerful people who never imagined their

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Speaker 2: messages would be publicized, I've been reminded of a salient quote,

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Speaker 2: the measure of a person's character is what they do

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Speaker 2: when no one is watching.

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