1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: It was controversial until it wasn't. Sort of the government's 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: u turned have they on part of its Fisheries Act legislation, 3 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: So they're looking to remove that minimum size limit for 4 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: commercial fishes. Sam Wilford is program lead for Legacy Group, 5 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: and that is with the Sam morning to you. 6 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 2: Good morning, Mike. How are you well? 7 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: Thank you? You're happy? 8 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 2: No, not in the slightest. 9 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: Well you'll come on. You've got to be a little 10 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: bit happy because it's better than what it was. 11 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 2: Well, I think we've got to go back about twelve months. First, 12 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 2: when the legislation was first introduced, twenty five thousand people 13 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 2: opposed it. Now that was before minimum size on its 14 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 2: was even introduced. These things have added at the limit 15 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 2: hour just to have them remove one. It's pretty hollow. 16 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: So you think they're trying to snooky you. Is this 17 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: one of those plays whereby they say, hey, look we 18 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,599 Speaker 1: gave you this and you go away happy? Is that 19 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: the plan? 20 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 2: Pretty much? Yep. The opening line of the legislation says 21 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 2: that to increase value for the seafood sector exports, So 22 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 2: we're not going to speak keywise, we're not actually going 23 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 2: to look at the domestic value of these fish, We're 24 00:00:58,480 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 2: just going to ship it off shore. 25 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: Right, So when you will go to select committees still 26 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: and say what you were going to say, or is 27 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: it over? 28 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 2: No, it's definitely not over. And I think that's a 29 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 2: really important thing, is that there's actually some really nefarious 30 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 2: stuff still in the legislation. They want to remove judicial 31 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 2: reviews or make it really hard for public to get 32 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 2: involved in public consultation. They're still going to legalize dumping 33 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 2: and discarding efficient sea So even if they catch those 34 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 2: undersized fish, they're still going to be legally out allowed 35 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 2: to dump them. 36 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: As passionate as people like you are. And we've had 37 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: other people on the station in the last twenty four hours, 38 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: and I get it and I understand it. Do you 39 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: think this is one of those issues that goes beyond 40 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:34,759 Speaker 1: your sort of groups. 41 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 2: Well, what I want everybody to start thinking about is 42 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 2: the economic cost here. So what we're talking about is 43 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 2: the essay they want to say the seafood sector, and 44 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 2: what it is is a very short term conversation. We 45 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 2: need to start looking twenty thirty, forty years out, and 46 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 2: we also need to recognize that the recretional fishing sector 47 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 2: of tourism is an incredibly valuable assets in New Zealand. 48 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 2: The recretional fishing sector generate it's one point eight billion 49 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 2: dollars a year and employs eight thousand people. Now, you know, 50 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 2: if we hear more rich Americans coming to the zones 51 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 2: to catch snapper, that's a good thing for this country. 52 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, but it doesn't offset and I'm not arguing with you, 53 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: but it doesn't offset a rich American staying at hook 54 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 1: a lodge, hiring a helicopter and going fishing doesn't offset 55 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: a massive trawler full of fish that we sell to 56 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: the Japanese for a fortune. 57 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 2: We don't sell up for a fortune. We sell our 58 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 2: caha for about a dollar eighty five kilo. A lot 59 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 2: of it goes into Catford and Cravate in Australia. 60 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Sam, go well with it. Never the 61 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: Twain shall meet Ah, you got that vibe this morning. 62 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: Never the Twain, she'll meet Sam Wilford who is with 63 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 1: the legacy trop Mike. The backdown by the government. Are 64 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: these signs there's too well? Are they two backdowns? There's 65 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: that one we've just talked about. The other one is 66 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: this charge on your card which may or may not 67 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 1: be a backdown. We'll talk to Seema about it after 68 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: seven to thirty. But Mike, the backdown by the government, 69 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: are these signs of a coalition in disintegration or are 70 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 1: they evidence that pragmatism over ideology is trying to in 71 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: trying times is exactly what this country needs. What an 72 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 1: excellent question, Graham, And in your question, of course, there 73 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: is no answer. You can make up your own mind. 74 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 1: For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to 75 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 1: News Talks at B from six am weekdays, or follow 76 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.