1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: Very Soper, Senior political correspondent. What a big Well it's 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: a big day, but sort of nothing in it Sandwich today. 3 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 2: Well you know that the National Party and those that 4 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 2: are in government used to pillary the Labor government for 5 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 2: making an announcement about an announcement. Well, this is exactly 6 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 2: what this coalition government has done today. We were led 7 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 2: to believe we were going to hear about two new 8 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 2: ferries and we were going to hear about the break fee, 9 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,279 Speaker 2: which I think probably is three hundred million dollars. But 10 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:37,959 Speaker 2: they've delayed that because they want the year to end 11 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 2: on a high. But unfortunately the track that Chris Luckson 12 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 2: has always said the government's on, they've just come off 13 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 2: that track now because any expectation that we had that 14 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 2: a year on we're going to see the plan for 15 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 2: the new fairies has gone by the wayside. Setting up 16 00:00:57,480 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 2: a new company, a state owned company. 17 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: No directors appointed till next year. 18 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 2: No, that's right, And you know, how can you say 19 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 2: it's going to be cheaper when you haven't started negotiation exactly? 20 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, and the big cost, let's not forget, 21 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: was the landside cost. How do you know the landside 22 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: costs without knowing what faerries you're going to buy. 23 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 2: Well, no exactly. And that was the problem with these 24 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 2: big mothers, these big fairies that they were going to buy. 25 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 2: The infrastructure on arther side of the Strait couldn't accommodate them. 26 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 2: So why on earth they decided to buy them in 27 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 2: the fairst place anyway? Winston Peters though he's to the rescue. 28 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 2: He's the new Minister of Rail. As you said, they 29 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 2: haven't had one of those for many a long year. 30 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 2: And it was Winston that appointed Alan Greg Miller as 31 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 2: a CEO of KIW Rail. He lasted just over two 32 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 2: years and left under something of a cloud, with allegations 33 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 2: about his management style being made against him. But in 34 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 2: Parliament Chris Laxon was left offending what would have to 35 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 2: be seen as the indefensible. 36 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 3: Here he is, I'm very proud to that today we 37 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 3: announced an incredibly fantastic and credible plan to actually ensure 38 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 3: we have a resilience, safe and reliable crossing on the 39 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 3: Cook Straight. 40 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,519 Speaker 4: If he's so confident that the new inter Island fairies 41 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:14,800 Speaker 4: are going to be such better value for money, why 42 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 4: can't he tell New Zealanders one year on how much 43 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 4: they're going to cost, who's going to build them, when 44 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 4: they're going to arrive, whether they're going to be able 45 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 4: to have trains on them, and what the costs for 46 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 4: other users is going to be. 47 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 3: And that member's question just illustrates the economic illiteracy from 48 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,679 Speaker 3: the other side. You don't reveal for commercial sensitive, he 49 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 3: reasons the actual budget. 50 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 4: One year after canceling the order for the previous inter 51 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 4: Island fairies, will he now tell the New Zealand public 52 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 4: how much the decision to cancel the fairies has cost? 53 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,519 Speaker 3: As I said, our budgets are commercially sensitive for the 54 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 3: reasons I've just tried to outline that member the leader 55 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 3: of the opposition is the arsonist who lights the fire 56 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 3: and then criticizes the fire brigade for trying to put 57 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:55,519 Speaker 3: it out. 58 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 4: Is the Prime minister where that one of his minister's, 59 00:02:58,040 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 4: Minister Seymour, set on. 60 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 2: The bridge today that the ferries will not be rail enabled. 61 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 3: These are fairies that will be rail compatible. 62 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 5: And the. 63 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 2: Key isn't it there? Well, Winston's on board now and 64 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 2: we all know that Winston wants them to be able 65 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,799 Speaker 2: to take trains on board so they can continue there. 66 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: And does he want to be the Minister of Railways 67 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:23,239 Speaker 1: that goes down in history as the guy who stopped 68 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: rail enablement between North and South. No, all right, and 69 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: the hakker defended its use defended in parliament today? 70 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 2: Oh well, you know only yesterday. Of course, the Maori 71 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 2: leadership was referred to the Parliamentary Privileges Committee. So too 72 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 2: was the young MP that led off the hakker, So 73 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 2: too was Peni Henare. Now you think they would wait 74 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 2: and keep their own council until the Privileges Committee met, 75 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 2: But not Naiwa Packer. She was on Radio New Zealand 76 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 2: today she said that the hakker isn't a protest, it's 77 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 2: an expression of who they are and we could all 78 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 2: see that in their house. I mean, there was no 79 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 2: threat to David Timour. But if you think we've heard 80 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 2: the last of the haka in parliamentary debate, then think again. 81 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 2: Have her listened to Norewa Paker armor Indeed. 82 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 5: Today we have the right to express ourselves. You cannot 83 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,239 Speaker 5: huck us sitting in those squass spaces behind your bask 84 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 5: or your bench. It was the right to express ourselves. 85 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:26,119 Speaker 5: Now the unruly is really the hypocrisy Obviously, that the House, 86 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 5: doesn't interject, doesn't yale, doesn't point, doesn't get personal, doesn't 87 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 5: call people names. For goodness sake, we're talking about parliament here. 88 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 5: We have had people called, you know, all sorts of name. 89 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 5: Coins The hacker was dignified. It was an expression again 90 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 5: of what and how we felt. Now is it that 91 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 5: place to tell us when we're allowed to be maldy 92 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 5: and when we're not we're allowed to express ourselves and 93 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 5: when we're not. 94 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 2: No, it's a place where you should know how to 95 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 2: be an MP. 96 00:04:55,680 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: And this is Parliament does not disallow hakker. And we've 97 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: been in parliament many times. I mean every time there's 98 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,359 Speaker 1: a treaty bill that's signed or something there is a 99 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: beautiful winter or hakker. Yes, it's not disallowed. No, it's 100 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: just the crossing the floor and the waving the hands 101 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: in the face that there might be a problem. 102 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 2: And Narriwapaka herself pointing a finger at David Seymour that 103 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 2: looked to me very like a pistol. So you know, 104 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 2: I mean, that is not good behavior and it should 105 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 2: be held to account. 106 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 1: Off to privileges. They go, Barry, thank you very much 107 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: for that. Great to see you as always better to 108 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,919 Speaker 1: talk to you. 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