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Speaker 1: Questions, answers, facts, analysis, The Drive show you trust for

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Speaker 1: the full picture. Heather Duplessy on Drive with One New Zealand,

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Speaker 1: Let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 2: That'd be.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon. Welcome to the show coming up today. This advice

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Speaker 3: that we need to crack down on cash if we

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Speaker 3: want to crack down on organized crime. We're going to

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Speaker 3: get the Minister's sake on that talked to New Zealand

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Speaker 3: Rugby about its third straight loss and this is despite

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Speaker 3: record revenue, and we're going to speak to an offshop

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Speaker 3: about the problem of us taking our undies with holes

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Speaker 3: to charity shops for them to sort through.

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Speaker 4: Heather Duplessy, Ala, I get full disclosure.

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Speaker 3: The reason that the boys who are on air just

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Speaker 3: before me decided to suddenly just start talking about Mark

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Speaker 3: Lundy without any notice that they were going to talk

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Speaker 3: about Mark Lundy was because I put them up to it.

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Speaker 3: So what happened is I bailed into the studio to

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Speaker 3: chat to them in the three o'clock news that I

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Speaker 3: wanted to know what they thought. And the reason I

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Speaker 3: divided our workplace out there and some of my col

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Speaker 3: leagues think that it's really gross that the Herald, who

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Speaker 3: we work with, have taken photos of Mark Lundy today

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Speaker 3: after he got out of jail yesterday. Now the photos

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Speaker 3: aren't anything particularly special. He's sitting in the passenger seat

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Speaker 3: tells you nothing. It shows you almost nothing, And I

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Speaker 3: there are very heavy suppress suppression orders about where he

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Speaker 3: So they're a little bit limited on what they can

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Speaker 3: It was when I last checked, the most red and

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Speaker 3: and shouldn't the media be reporting and taking photos of

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Speaker 3: things that we're interested in? I would say yes. Now,

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Speaker 3: I can understand why people are grossed out by this.

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Speaker 3: to Lundy's gelt, just as there was doubt with David Baine,

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Speaker 3: until he proves otherwise, he is a man who is

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Speaker 3: convicted of murdering his wife and daughter, and his trial

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Speaker 3: legitimate news story. And it's not really a question actually

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Speaker 4: Heather?

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Speaker 3: Two nine two text number and standard text fees apply,

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Speaker 3: of course. Now Labor to fight back against what it

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Speaker 5: Hey Heather, thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 3: It's good to talk to you now. The headline of

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Speaker 5: The bill says that the government isn't allowed to support

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Speaker 5: tobacco industry is transparent. So it's reported, okay.

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Speaker 3: And then what happens if it's reported? What do we

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Speaker 5: Well, a couple of things. Firstly, it means that journalists

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Speaker 3: I can do you think a similar approach needs to

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Speaker 5: No, I don't. Tobacco is a uniquely harmful product. It

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Speaker 5: kills half the people that use it. We don't have

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Speaker 5: other products like that. So that's why we need this

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Speaker 3: What about though, the vaping industry.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. The other part of this is New Zealand over

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Speaker 5: ten years ago figned a framework Convention on tobacco control.

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Speaker 5: Because tobacco control around the world, the industry tries and

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Speaker 3: But do you know what I mean? Like, I just

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Speaker 3: wonder if we are making these guys the big bad

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Speaker 3: like vaping for example.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Look that as time goes on, we've learned more

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Speaker 5: tobacco is the most harmful product that's sold to consumers

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Speaker 5: in the world. So I think it does need its

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Speaker 3: How many people smoke in this country at the moment,

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Speaker 3: I should Oh, it's.

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Speaker 5: I can't tell you the number, but it's six point

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Speaker 3: And do you know how many of us of us

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Speaker 5: Not so many, but a growing number, particularly amongst young people.

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Speaker 5: We saw the rate of use shaping a kick up

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Speaker 5: I hope it goes down further.

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Speaker 3: You don't think is that's smaller. It's smaller than I

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Speaker 5: It depends which age group you look at.

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Speaker 3: I believe, I believe it's something. It's still you'll know

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Speaker 3: me too, Okay, so do you The only point I'm

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Speaker 5: I hope we don't ignore them, and when Labor launches

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Speaker 5: to prevent ill health. Tobacco and vaping another's okay, but

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Speaker 5: my thought tells more people than anything else, any other product.

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Speaker 3: Well at the moment, because we've been smoking it for

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Speaker 3: The reason I'm sort of saying this I share is

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Speaker 3: it's not to say that this is without merit, but

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Speaker 3: it just feels really weirdly political from you guys. You're

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Speaker 3: and so you're doing this when actually, if you really

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Speaker 3: it to all lobbying maybe or anything that people suck

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Look, I think you're throw making valid a valid point.

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Speaker 5: We do need to keep it further improving our laws

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Speaker 5: but just remember vaping is not yet linked to debt

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Speaker 3: Is not yet because we haven't been sucking it long in.

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Speaker 5: Fa Well, the other day we saw one of the

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Speaker 3: Asha, it's good to talk to you. I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Thanks mate, look after yourself. As ashiverral Labour's health spokesperson. Hey,

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Speaker 3: it looks like the UK is going to be the

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Speaker 3: at ten am the Office concerning caplocks a major trade

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Speaker 3: Heather, I had to pull over and ask a crackdown

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Speaker 3: on cash. It's bad enough when you go to draw

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Speaker 3: your own money out of the banks and they want

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Speaker 3: to know what you were spending it on. What about

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Speaker 3: people like me who keep upwards of ten thousand dollars

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Speaker 3: under the mattress, so to speak. I smell a big

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Speaker 3: rat around us. We all smell a big rat around

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Speaker 3: when you just told us eighteen past four Darcy water

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Speaker 3: Grave Sports Talk coasters with me, Hey, Dars, is that.

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Speaker 7: Like the Princess and the Pea. Can you feel that

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Speaker 7: twenty thousand?

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Speaker 8: No?

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Speaker 3: I think you lay it out in blocks, so it's flash.

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Speaker 7: Well, maybe he bought several mattresses like the Princess in

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Speaker 7: the Pea.

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Speaker 3: Do you keep any cash in your house?

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Speaker 9: No?

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Speaker 3: Why not?

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Speaker 7: I haven't got any?

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Speaker 3: Oh okay, well, which you spent it all on your sneakers? Hey? No,

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Speaker 3: my daughter and your daughter? Hey, tell me about the

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Speaker 3: Blackfood squad. So that they've announced the squad they're going

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Speaker 3: to take on Australia.

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Speaker 7: Yes, Laura Railey, Trophy number one. It's part of the

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Speaker 7: Pack four, which is the tour between them and the

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Speaker 7: That's part of their leader. Then they are playing the

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Speaker 7: They've also got a possible's probables match I suppose you'd

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Speaker 7: What are they calling it?

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Speaker 7: It's the National Rugby League, International rug Why would you

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Speaker 3: Here it is, don't you reckon? Darcy? Thank you, Darcy

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Speaker 1: It's four twenty two, moving the big stories of the

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Speaker 1: New Zealand let's get connected news talks that'd be Prime.

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Speaker 3: Ministers given a pre budget speech in Auckland today and

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Speaker 3: So organized crime, as you well know, these people run

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Speaker 3: don't know, exercising some due diligence, I don't know. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: what the organized crime experts have told the government is

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Speaker 3: helping us deal with organized crime if we crack down

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Speaker 3: to fixing this solution. It feels like a very difficult

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Speaker 3: your wages. I would have thought in cash. We'll talk

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Speaker 3: there is a problem with people dumping crappy clothes on

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Speaker 3: it's stuff that you should know better about, right like

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Speaker 3: nobody once you're underwear with holes in it, if you

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Speaker 3: don't want your underwear with holes in it, Like you

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Speaker 3: But if you get to the point where even you think,

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Speaker 9: Do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: I would like to know kind of like what the

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Speaker 1: Or so, recapping the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines.

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Speaker 1: It's hither duplicy, Ellen, drive with one New Zealand let's

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Speaker 4: That'd be.

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Speaker 10: The better the things that I've gone.

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Speaker 3: Whether we are not all interested in Mark Lundy, so

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Speaker 3: called journalists like you continue to Harris and please give

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Speaker 3: crime and then he served the time. Surely this issue

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Glenn.

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Speaker 11: You're wrong.

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Speaker 3: Obviously people are interested. That's why it's the most read

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Speaker 3: to talk to Jason Wall's political editor about that. Curier

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Speaker 3: Taxpayers Union, Nationals in Front Labor is behind, but I'll

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Speaker 3: in New Zealand. First, the Green's all doing reasonably well

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Speaker 3: like as you would expect it. Two things of interest

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Speaker 3: That's all good idea poorly handled. Second thing is wrong track,

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Speaker 3: right track not good. So thirty three percent of us

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Speaker 3: more forty six percent say it's going in the wrong direction,

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Speaker 3: Jason will Was about that shortly. It's twenty three away

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on news Dogs Eddy Drive.

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Speaker 3: India and Pakistani troops have exchanged artillery fire across the

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Speaker 3: line of control in Kashmir. The two countries' air forces

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Speaker 12: Me and my children had barely enough time to run

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Speaker 4: You've seen our loss. We have nothing left us.

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Speaker 3: President Donald Trump says he has a major trade deal

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Speaker 6: The United Kingdom, wonderful country, lovely people, love myself. Some

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Speaker 6: They account for three percent of American trade. That leaves

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Speaker 2: In the air.

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Speaker 3: And finally, a woman in Michigan whose cat went missing

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Speaker 3: Cat's same is Buddy. Buddy turned up outside of McDonald's

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Speaker 3: let Buddy roam around outside because he's a cat. That's

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with ends and eye insurance. Peace of mind

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Speaker 3: Well, I'll come back to the cat who shortly murray

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Speaker 3: Old's Ossie correspondents with us mars, why are you.

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Speaker 2: Laving our Buddy's turned up? And the brain box is saying, yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's fine to go outside.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good on your What else is going to do

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Speaker 3: if it's not a dog?

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Speaker 9: Leave him inside?

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Speaker 3: Have you ever owned a cat?

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Speaker 9: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Did you leave them inside? No, don't be a mentalist, geez,

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Speaker 3: you want to come home and the cats just weed?

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Speaker 3: What a nightmare?

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Speaker 9: Hey?

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Speaker 3: So the caucus meeting, the first one is going to

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Speaker 9: No?

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Speaker 2: I understand it's on this afternoon. Need some of them

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Speaker 2: you know there are still nine seats too close to call.

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Speaker 2: But Anthony Albanezi now has the task in his hands.

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Speaker 2: Are forming a new ministry and the way it works

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Speaker 9: And so it goes.

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Speaker 2: You know, all the talk coming out of the Labor camp.

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Speaker 2: We've got an embarrassment of riches, talent overflowing all this stuff.

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Speaker 2: went into this election with a one seat majority. They've

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Speaker 2: got Labour's got ninety one. The coalition is just limped

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Speaker 2: to forty today. Now they may get one or two more,

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Speaker 2: but that is a massive drubbing anyway you cut it,

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Speaker 2: you've got it's one hundred and fifty seat Parliament and

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Speaker 2: Labour's got over ninety seats. So certainly Albanezy, now buttressed

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Speaker 2: by a massive numerical advantage, is going to be being urged,

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Speaker 2: you know, to absolutely go hard on reform. And he's

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Speaker 2: already announced his first overseas trip will be once again

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Speaker 2: as he did in his first term as Prime minister.

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Speaker 2: He's going back up to Indonesia early next week after

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Speaker 2: the allocation of ministries. So he's making a very very

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Speaker 2: clear Asia is his horizon, that's his focus. And with

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Speaker 2: a massive market up there, what is it, two hundred

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Speaker 2: and eighty million people, They need to eat and they

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Speaker 2: need to have stuff that Australia makes and sell. So

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Speaker 2: that's where he's going first.

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Speaker 3: So where are we, by the way, with replacing Dustan, Well.

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Speaker 2: There's a leadership battle on. As you know, Angus Taylor

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Speaker 2: has got supporters. He's a hard right liberal, you know,

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Speaker 2: he is absolutely hard right. He being blamed by many

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Speaker 2: though for a dreadful election campaign performance. There was absolutely

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Speaker 2: no attempt to sell any coherent economic message and that

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Speaker 2: would have been politics one O one are you better

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Speaker 2: off now than you? There were three years ago that

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Speaker 2: didn't really resonate because of the Trump factor, But certainly

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Speaker 2: they could have pushed the economic narrative. That's where the

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Speaker 2: traditional bread and butter liberal values have been better economic manager.

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Speaker 2: None of that was seen. But many don't want Taylor

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Speaker 2: because they don't want the party to go further to

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Speaker 2: the right. You will not govern this country from the right.

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Speaker 2: You've got to be in the sensible center, and that's

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Speaker 2: why they're pushing. Others are pushing for a unity ticket

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Speaker 2: involving the moderate Susan Lee, who interestingly changed her name

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Speaker 2: from Susan with one S in the middle to a

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Speaker 2: double S when she was in her early twenties. I

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Speaker 2: think from memory because numerology said it was a good idea.

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Speaker 2: She's a parliamentary veteran, she's a moderist. Say, she's female,

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Speaker 2: and she is articulate, and these are things that clearly

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Speaker 2: the Buddy Bloken suits, you know, all the fellows and

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Speaker 2: Suits weren't. So they're pushing her with Dan Tean, who

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Speaker 2: is a former minister in a liberal government, are pushing

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Speaker 2: the lead Tea and ticket. There a lot of people

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Speaker 2: in the Liberal parties simply cannot imagine. They can't countenance

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Speaker 2: in a million years a female Liberal leader who can

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Speaker 2: actually unite the party and strike in a new direction.

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Speaker 2: You know, there will not be able to govern Heather

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Speaker 2: from the right of Australian politics. It's as smaller the

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Speaker 2: rump and it's dying off.

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Speaker 3: Mus I'm fascinated by this numerology thing, but I'm going

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Speaker 3: to consult Google rather than force you to explain it

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Speaker 3: to movies. Are you how are you? How are you

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Speaker 3: schooled up on numerology?

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Speaker 2: Negative? Luke Skywalker? Negative?

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Speaker 3: Thank god, that's the right answer. Why is this mushroom

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Speaker 3: Chef trial not going to run as long as we thought?

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Speaker 2: I know it's fascinating viewing, right, but there's stuff happening

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Speaker 2: behind the scenes. Now the judge, that justice, mister Justice Bale,

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Speaker 2: did not spell out precisely what's happening, but the stuff

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Speaker 2: happening behind the scenes that he told the jury at

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Speaker 2: the start of this it was going to be a

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Speaker 2: six week trial, as you mentioned. Now he's told juris

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Speaker 2: today that it could be over much much shorter timeline.

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Speaker 2: And for example, he says, you know, there's no need

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Speaker 2: to come back on Monday. Maybe we'll see you on Tuesday,

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Speaker 2: So maybe there's some sort of plea bar behind the scenes.

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Speaker 2: Aaron Patterson, of course, has denied three counts of murders

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Speaker 2: and it was a tragic accident that she killed her

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Speaker 2: x in laws and an auntie. She says, it was

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Speaker 2: absolutely an accident. The prosecution begs to differ, so it's good. Look,

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Speaker 2: this is fascinated Australia. I suspect fascinated listeners and viewers

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Speaker 2: around the world. This matter. Goodness me, It's absolutely intriguing,

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Speaker 2: isn't it. But it could be over long before it

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Speaker 2: was supposed to be, and I think we'll all be

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Speaker 2: poorer for it.

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Speaker 3: Muz, I think so too. Thank you very much, really appreciated.

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Speaker 3: That's Murray Old's Australia correspondent. Right here we go. So

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Speaker 3: Susan Lee who added the extra S into her name.

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Speaker 3: She says, I read about this numerology theory that if

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Speaker 3: you add the numbers that match the letters in your name,

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Speaker 3: you can change your personality. I worked out that if

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Speaker 3: you added an extra and S, I would have an

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Speaker 3: incredibly exciting, interesting life and nothing would ever be boring.

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Speaker 3: It's that simple, and once I'd added the s it

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Speaker 3: was really hard to take away.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: If you think that sounds crazy, not so, according to

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Speaker 3: Australia's leading numerology Fong Shue and color expert Chris Brazil.

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Speaker 3: Brazil has been researching and practicing numerology for more than

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Speaker 3: twenty years, and this, by the way, was about ten

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Speaker 3: years ago, so it's now thirty years. She has seen

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Speaker 3: people transform their lives and companies transform their fortunes by

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Speaker 3: simply changing their names. When it comes to numerology and names,

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Speaker 3: what happens is the letters in your name and their

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Speaker 3: corresponding numbers must match your birth date, and when they

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Speaker 3: don't match up, it means you carry a birth emotion

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Speaker 3: which is projected on you by your mother and father

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Speaker 3: at the time of your birth. Yeah, she should be

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Speaker 3: the liberal letter.

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Speaker 1: Quarter two Politics with Centrics, Credit, check your customers and

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Speaker 1: get payments certainty.

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Speaker 3: It is thirteen away from five and Jason Wool's our

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Speaker 3: political editors with us.

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Speaker 13: He Jason, good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Did you find anything in that pre budget speech that

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Speaker 3: was at all interesting?

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Speaker 13: Not really, But I honestly think that that was probably

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Speaker 13: the point of it. It wasn't designed to set the

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Speaker 13: world on fire. It wasn't does designed to really make

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Speaker 13: everybody sit up and think, hang on a second, I've

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Speaker 13: really got to pay attention on May twenty second, because

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Speaker 13: there could be something big in there for me. In fact,

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Speaker 13: Chris Luxan took a bit of a page out of

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Speaker 13: Nikola Willis's book that Budget twenty twenty five won't be

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Speaker 13: a lolly scramble. So she said that last week. It's

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Speaker 13: not going to be a lolly scramble, and it's just

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Speaker 13: playing down expectations. The whole sort of ethos of the

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Speaker 13: government so far this year has been things are cooked.

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Speaker 13: The budget isn't going to be as good as we

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Speaker 13: thought it was going to be because of the mix

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Speaker 13: of the economy and the books not being as rosy

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Speaker 13: as they thought that they would be. So I don't

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Speaker 13: expect any major big ticket items. And that's exactly kind

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Speaker 13: of the message that Luxen was giving today. It's the

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Speaker 13: exact same message that Nicola Willis is being conveying as well.

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Speaker 13: There has been a little bit more you know, I

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Speaker 13: say there's not a lot of money in the budget.

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Speaker 13: We all know that there's a one point three billion

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Speaker 13: dollars operating allowance, I e. More money coming into it.

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Speaker 13: But there's a slightly more wiggle room now with the

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Speaker 13: pay equity changes. But we're gonna have to wait and

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Speaker 13: see how much that actually is.

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Speaker 3: At the budget.

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Speaker 14: It is the case that the number of new initiatives

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Speaker 14: and this budget would not have been possible without some

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Speaker 14: of the savings we are making.

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Speaker 3: Jason, it's more than ten billion, isn't it. Have you

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Speaker 3: managed to confirm that yet?

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Speaker 9: Well?

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Speaker 13: I read Audrey Young's piece this morning, and those are

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Speaker 13: the numbers that she was to.

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Speaker 3: Well, she was.

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Speaker 13: Basically looking back into previous budgets and talking about how

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Speaker 13: much it costed in previous years in terms of what

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Speaker 13: was against sort of the p equity claims there, and

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Speaker 13: how much it would be going forward. I'm just looking

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Speaker 13: at the numbers now from Audrey, and she says that

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Speaker 13: the numbers going forward are in Just give me two

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Speaker 13: seconds here, Audrey.

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Speaker 3: She says, libreak.

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Speaker 13: She says that in last year's budget, the figure for

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Speaker 13: the current year was three point seven billion, followed by

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Speaker 13: four point six billion for the next year, four point

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Speaker 13: three for the following and then four point three That's

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Speaker 13: about seventeen billion dollars over four years. Is what she said.

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Speaker 3: I mean that is huge, isn't It's a lot to change.

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Speaker 3: I take your point about Luxon doing boring economic speeches

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Speaker 3: and that that it's designed to kind of, you know,

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Speaker 3: underwhelm and stuff. But surely, surely he wants to do

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Speaker 3: Surely today was an opportunity to say something to take

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Speaker 3: the headlines back from the pay equity thing, which continues

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Speaker 3: for day three and which is going to kick off

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Speaker 3: tomorrow with protests, right, wouldn't you Yeah?

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Speaker 13: I mean, yeah you could. There could have been something

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Speaker 13: in there that would help shift the narrative. I think

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Speaker 13: that he thought that that was what was going to

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Speaker 13: happen with the social media ban, which was absolutely a

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Speaker 13: dead squab because obviously it was a members bill rather

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Speaker 13: than a government bill, which ultimately has got what a

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Speaker 13: one in forty five one and fifty chants have actually

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Speaker 13: been pulled from the ballot. So you know, he could

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Speaker 13: have done something big today to shift the narrative, but

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Speaker 13: he's obviously decided that he wants to sort of keep

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Speaker 13: things cool, calm and collected as it were for the budget.

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Speaker 3: Listen that right track wrong track thing in the Taxpayer's

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Speaker 3: Union Curier poll. Do we know what that's down.

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Speaker 13: To the right track wrong track. We can it's it's

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Speaker 13: an interesting one because you know it focuses quite a

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Speaker 13: lot on the political party. But the right track wrong

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Speaker 13: track is something that has been in focus for a while.

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Speaker 13: So we'll get those that information to you as we

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Speaker 13: have it. I think my colleague Sophie Trigger has been

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Speaker 13: about that all day or since we got the numbers

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Speaker 13: coming out. But in terms of the numbers itself, I

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Speaker 13: mean the Labor Party is up quite substantially, seeing them

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Speaker 13: jump about three point four points to thirty three point

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Speaker 13: two percent. This hasn't come at a time when the

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Speaker 13: pay equity stuff has been in the news. This was

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Speaker 13: for covering April thirtieth to May fourth, So we're not

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Speaker 13: going that doesn't be it's not reflected in here. We're

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Speaker 13: gonna have to wait a little bit to see what

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Speaker 13: impact it's going to have. But if I was a polster,

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Speaker 13: I'd be out on the field now looking exactly at that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, totally justin thanks very much, my appreciate it. That's

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Speaker 3: Jason Wall's news talks. There'd be political editor hither Mark Lundy.

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Speaker 3: I saw the headline in the Herald. I did not

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Speaker 3: open it and I'm disgusted with the Herald. Leave him be.

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Speaker 3: He's done his time. Cam You're a man of more

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Speaker 3: principles than the rest of us. As I clicked on

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Speaker 3: it happily eight away from five.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newsmakers, The mic Asking Breakfast.

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Speaker 15: Interesting Times in the Parliaments, Brook van Velden featured.

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Speaker 13: However, I do agree with a difference journalist Mike Hoskin.

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Speaker 11: Wait until the excitement settles down.

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Speaker 4: There was excitement in the house over the mention of

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Speaker 4: my name.

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Speaker 15: But Jerry had to settle the low renters down because

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Speaker 15: of course it's important when I'm quoted in the house

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Speaker 15: that things go well.

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Speaker 4: This is why I.

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Speaker 2: Allude to this.

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Speaker 15: The pay equity issue is never going to be sold.

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Speaker 15: But what's so disingenuous about the Labor Party is that

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Speaker 15: they can't work out what a rest home work is

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Speaker 15: really worth. So what we'll do is will compare you

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Speaker 15: to a mechanic, which of course literally makes no sense.

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Speaker 15: Back tomorrow at six am, the Mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 15: Mayley's Real Estate News talk z B.

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Speaker 3: Heather, what has the SPCA got to do with op shops? Well, actually,

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Speaker 3: very good question, because I did wonder that too, so

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Speaker 3: I double because I honestly, I can't remember the last

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Speaker 3: time I went to an opshop actually, and all the SpCas,

661
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Speaker 3: so I asked the producer about it. Producers said to me,

662
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Speaker 3: this is the Germans, she said, there is a fantastic SPCA.

663
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Speaker 3: They run off shops and then they take the proceeds

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Speaker 3: and then they look after the animals. And there is

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Speaker 3: a fantastic SPCA at Mount Roskell. So if you're thinking, oh,

666
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Speaker 3: I need to dip my toes into that, just go

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Speaker 3: straight to the Mount Roscale, say Laura sent you, and

668
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Speaker 3: they'll give you a discount code or something like. That'll

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Speaker 3: just eventually they'll be like, who is this person?

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Speaker 13: Anyway?

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Speaker 3: Listen New Zealand Rugby. Now New Zealand Rugby unfortunately continues

672
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Speaker 3: to suffer financially. They have posted the third loss in

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Speaker 3: a row. Now, it's not that unusual for I mean,

674
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Speaker 3: basically Rugby works like this that they just post losses

675
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Speaker 3: all the time and then when they have Alliance Tour

676
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Speaker 3: they post a profit.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: But the problem with this is that this year, this

679
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Speaker 3: past financial year was a year where they brought in

680
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Speaker 3: a record income. Right, they have never had more money

681
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Speaker 3: coming into the place than last year and they still

682
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 3: couldn't post a profit. Now that tells you there is

683
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Speaker 3: something deeply wrong. Various theories as to what is going wrong.

684
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Speaker 3: Some people say they're investing too much in the women's games.

685
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Speaker 3: Some people say they're investing too much in their little

686
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Speaker 3: like internet channel nd z R plus or whatever it's called.

687
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Speaker 3: Some people say they're investing too much in the player salaries,

688
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Speaker 3: whatever it is, whatever it is, at some point they're

689
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Speaker 3: going to have to cut the fat on this, right

690
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Speaker 3: because you simply cannot continue like this, because just there

691
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Speaker 3: is if there is more spit like unless you're obviously

692
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Speaker 3: New Zealand as a country running a fiscal deficit, you

693
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Speaker 3: know you probably don't want to do it. Anyway, We're

694
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Speaker 3: going to talk to the boss about it when he's

695
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Speaker 3: with us as a boss of rugby. After half past five.

696
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Speaker 3: The cats, Okay, so apparently listen, there is a student

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Speaker 3: at Lincoln University who's done account on the cats, and

698
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Speaker 3: apparently we have one point two million pet cats and

699
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Speaker 3: we have about two hundred thousand stray cats. Right, so

700
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Speaker 3: that's the cat that jumped into the cart and pons

701
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Speaker 3: and me and ended up on the North shore, or

702
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Speaker 3: buddy the cat that ended up you know, disappeared for

703
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Speaker 3: three years or whatever. But we have twice as many

704
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Speaker 3: federal cats two point four million dollars, and it's renewed

705
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Speaker 3: calls to have some bylaws and kill the cats and

706
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Speaker 3: stuff like that. Now, I'm just bringing this to your

707
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Speaker 3: attention because we talked about the cat before, and all

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Speaker 3: I want to say about this is God loves a trier.

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Speaker 3: But I do not think in my life that we

710
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Speaker 3: will deal with these cats, do you. I just that

711
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Speaker 3: cats are a no go. We do not do it.

712
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Speaker 3: Leave the cats alone, don't worry about it. Count the cats.

713
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Speaker 3: That's the end of it. It's never gonna happen. But

714
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Speaker 3: God loves a trier absolutely. Casey Castello next.

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Speaker 1: Digging through the spin spins to find the real story story.

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Speaker 1: It's either dupasy on drive with One New Zealand let's

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Speaker 1: get connected news talk.

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Speaker 5: Said, be good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: The government's been advised to crack down on cash if

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Speaker 3: it wants to crack down on organized crime. This is

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Speaker 3: a huge problem organized crime. There's an estimated one point

722
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Speaker 3: six billion dollars in criminal offits and just four percent

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Speaker 3: is currently being seized by the police. Now Kesey Castalo

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Speaker 3: is the Customers Minister and also the Associate Minister of

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Speaker 3: Police and with us. Now, hey Casey, hi, Heather, how

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Speaker 3: are you well? Thank you. So what they're what they're

727
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Speaker 3: saying you should do is you should ban cash wages

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Speaker 3: and high risk industries. Can you do that? Yeah?

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Speaker 16: So this is the and this is the part that

730
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Speaker 16: is it's about every mechanism that we can do to

731
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Speaker 16: target cash and if we can take away the money,

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Speaker 16: we can actually make them in roads. And so this

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Speaker 16: is a whole bunch of recommendations about what we can

734
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Speaker 16: do and pivot. So there are and this is an

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Speaker 16: area I was working in in terms of labor exploitation.

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Speaker 16: You know, the payment in cash is a right, but

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Speaker 16: the fact is that this is the sectors that are

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Speaker 16: most impacted by exploitation are the ones that we are

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Speaker 16: thinking that you should be able to look at some

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Speaker 16: exemptions to protect that because the legitimate nature of business

741
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Speaker 16: means that cash is an easy way to avoid detection.

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Speaker 16: And this is this stuff. It's a series of recommendations

743
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Speaker 16: which I think I've told them to be bold to

744
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Speaker 16: think of everything we can do to move faster and

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Speaker 16: stronger and more decisively to make an impact. And these

746
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Speaker 16: are the recommendations they've come up with, and I think

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Speaker 16: they're doing great well.

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Speaker 3: I mean, is that practical to actually say, hey, you

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Speaker 3: work in construction or you work in hospital, you can't

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Speaker 3: have your wages in cash?

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Speaker 16: Well, I think this is the part where you start

752
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Speaker 16: looking at legitimately, where do people want to be paid cash?

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Speaker 16: Like this is you know, we're not talking about you know,

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Speaker 16: the majority when we used to start working, we've got

755
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Speaker 16: little branding bloats with cash in it. Most people are

756
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Speaker 16: operating in bank accounts. And so this is the stuff

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Speaker 16: that I'm really interested to look at in terms of

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Speaker 16: protection of workers and assuring that deductions are being done

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Speaker 16: properly and pay is being managed properly, and that they

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Speaker 16: are getting all the entitlements. The cash process makes it

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Speaker 16: very difficult to confirm those things, and I've done those investigations.

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Speaker 16: I know that that is a real issue in terms

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Speaker 16: of tracking that vulnerable people are getting what they should get.

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Speaker 16: And if this is leading into making illegimate businesses hired

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Speaker 16: accountability and hide cash and high profits, then I think

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Speaker 16: we should be looking at it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, interesting, should police have the ability to watch someone's

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Speaker 3: bank transactions for thirty days, for more than one day

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Speaker 3: at a time.

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Speaker 16: The point point in that space is really looking at

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Speaker 16: at the moment we have the ability to take effectively

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Speaker 16: search warrants to search a bank account retrospectively. But that

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Speaker 16: account is now it's one that we're interested in, and

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Speaker 16: so each day the police are putting another warrant in

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Speaker 16: each day to look at it. And so therefore it's

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Speaker 16: just about these very strong grounds as to why you

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Speaker 16: are able to look at that bank account in the

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Speaker 16: first place. There's very strong search grounds that you are

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Speaker 16: able to get that warrant. What we're saying is, rather

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Speaker 16: than have that to establish the grounds, rather than have

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Speaker 16: a warrant every day to look at it, maybe that

782
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Speaker 16: we have some ability to say, look, we've now established

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Speaker 16: the grounds why this bank account is suspicious and to

784
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Speaker 16: be able to monitor that for a period of time.

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Speaker 16: Because the money moves so fast, by the time we

786
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Speaker 16: have this order in place, we've lost the money. It's

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Speaker 16: gone and it's generally leaving New Zealand. And that's what

788
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Speaker 16: we're trying to do is look at all of the

789
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Speaker 16: things that we can make it as hard as possible

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Speaker 16: for them to do business. And it's like, just as

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Speaker 16: we harden our borders, we're trying to harden our financial

792
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Speaker 16: borders as well. And that's whether it's scamming, whether it's drugs.

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Speaker 16: We've seen it in terms of how much money is

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Speaker 16: being circulated. So this is about all the things we

795
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Speaker 16: can do to make it as hard and as difficult

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Speaker 16: and as unattractive to do business in our shores.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Caseie, thanks very much, appreciate Key Castello. Customers Minister

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Speaker 3: also associated Police Minister for Clan. Prime Minister is promising

799
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Speaker 3: he's going to use the budget to make our business

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Speaker 3: environment more attractive in a couple of weeks. He said,

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Speaker 3: initiatives to develop talent and promote competitive business settings will

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Speaker 3: feature prominently our Catherine Beard is Business New Zealand's advocacy

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Speaker 3: director and with us. Hey Catherine, Hey, good afternoon. Any

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Speaker 3: idea what he's talking about.

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Speaker 17: Look, there was not a lot of detail. That was

806
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Speaker 17: just a flag, but what he did talk about, which

807
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 17: we were quite pleased about, was confirming support for the

808
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Speaker 17: R and D tax credit system that we've got. So

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Speaker 17: he confirmed that they'll be keeping that which we were

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Speaker 17: a bit worried about. So that's very good. We need

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Speaker 17: to be doing R and D and every country typically

812
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Speaker 17: has some sort of incentive for business to.

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Speaker 18: Do R and D.

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Speaker 17: In ours is it's in place. It's probably you know,

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Speaker 17: not as competitive as some other countries, but we absolutely

816
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Speaker 17: need it and he's confirmed that that's staying.

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Speaker 3: So that's good.

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Speaker 17: Refocusing the Crown Research Institutes into three or four entities

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Speaker 17: we think will work better, having a bigger focus on commercialization, etc.

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Speaker 3: Now, how is it possible for him to make it

821
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Speaker 3: easier for businesses both local and international to invest here.

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Speaker 17: Look, I don't think it would be that hard, to

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Speaker 17: be honest, because we've been one of the worst places

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Speaker 17: or the hardest places to invest in the OECD. So

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Speaker 17: they will be having a look at the Act because

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Speaker 17: the Act needs fixing up. It's got a very narrow

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Speaker 17: definition of what is sensitive land, which is anything over

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Speaker 17: five hectares, So the Act needs changing. But the Investment

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Speaker 17: Office which they're setting up will be much more like

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Speaker 17: a confuge sort of treatment for investors and they will

831
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Speaker 17: have the door flung open and the welcome matt put

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Speaker 17: out and they will be connected and you know, it

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Speaker 17: will be much more of a hands on service, and

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Speaker 17: they'll be connected to opportunities and I think you know barriers.

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Speaker 17: If they're running into problems, you know it will be

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Speaker 17: taken to a high level and the problems will be resolved.

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Speaker 3: Okay, good stuff, Catherine, looking forward to it already. That's

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Speaker 3: Catherine Beard, advocacy director at Business New Zealand. As we know,

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Speaker 3: the conclave has started. Dun, dun, dun, dun. Go and

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Speaker 3: watch the movie, by the way, if you haven't, I'll

841
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Speaker 3: keep on saying that all the way through. Looks like

842
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Speaker 3: the bookies have the odds on this chap from Italy

843
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Speaker 3: becoming the next Pope Pietro Parilyn. He's the one who

844
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Speaker 3: was the Secretary of State under Pope Francis. Although will

845
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Speaker 3: say and we all need to be aware of this.

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Speaker 3: Just like in the movie, the one who goes in

847
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Speaker 3: as the favorite is often not the one who gets elected.

848
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Speaker 3: But anyway, the one from Italy is the favorite. And

849
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Speaker 3: here's the favorite. There's two big betting sites running the

850
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Speaker 3: odds predominantly internationally on this is Polymarket and Calshi and

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Speaker 3: Mate from Italy has a thirty one percent chance on

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Speaker 3: Polymarket and a thirty two percent chance on the other

853
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Speaker 3: one and the second favorite on both the site side.

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Speaker 3: It's just the same guy who is the one, the

855
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 3: cardinal from the Philippines who Tugle host Luis Tugle, who

856
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 3: is considered the Asian Francis. He's got twenty percent odds

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00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 3: on one and there's a twenty one percent chance on

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Speaker 3: the other one. And then you've got a bunch of

859
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 3: Italians after that, and then you've got a chat from Gharana,

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00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 3: and then you've got a chat from Hungary. But at

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00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 3: this stage it looks like a race between old mate

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Speaker 3: from Philippines and old mate from Italy. Quarter past. Hey,

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00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 3: now you know I've been driving this be byd ute, right,

864
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 3: the Shark six super hybrid ute, and you know I

865
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Speaker 3: love it because I've been telling you this is a

866
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 3: great family vehicle because you've got the family in the

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Speaker 3: front and you've got all the messy gear in the back.

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Speaker 3: But here's a tip for the trades. It's a great

869
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 3: ute for trades too. You've got yourself in this car

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00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,399
Speaker 3: four hundred and thirty horse powers, which means you can

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Speaker 3: tow a decent amount. Right, you can carry a really

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00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 3: heavy load if you want to. And what's even cooler

873
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Speaker 3: yourself eight hundred kilometers in hybrid mode and that's for

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Speaker 3: the longer trips. It's all yours from sixty nine, nine

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Speaker 3: hundred and ninety dollars plus on road costs. So for more,

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Speaker 3: ut Heather do for sellen, Oh listen, Okay. I'm getting

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Speaker 3: a lot of texts about not wanting to crack down

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Speaker 3: on the cash and I'm alarmed by this, Heather, this

890
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 3: is rubbish. It's legal tender cash that are dictators in

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Speaker 3: a democracy. Heather step By step, leave our cash alone.

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00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 3: That's for a mitch screw that you cannot ban cash, Heather,

893
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 3: cash works because of the ediator policies. Blah alone and

894
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 3: just go anyway. Listen, here's the thing. You know, if

895
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Speaker 3: you are to be paid in cash, you look dodgya like.

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00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not going to make my chudgments about you,

897
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Speaker 3: but if you're coming to my house and you're doing

898
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 3: something and then you say, can you pay me in cash?

899
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 3: I'm making a judgment call on you right there. I

900
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 3: know what you're up to, and we all know what

901
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 3: you're up to. Is there ever a legitimate reason to

902
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 3: be asked to be paid in cash? Unless you're the babysitter,

903
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Speaker 3: You're welcome to tell me nine two nine two nineteen

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Speaker 3: past five. Now charity shops. Charity shops are facing massive bills,

905
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Speaker 3: they say, because of all the stuff that people are

906
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Speaker 3: donating that's having to go in the trash. There's one

907
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Speaker 3: in Kai Koi up North that's complained that it's getting

908
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 3: so many donations of stained underwear and wholly underwear gross

909
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Speaker 3: that their skippin is filling up every couple of weeks.

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Speaker 9: Now.

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Speaker 3: Kathy Crichton is the SPCA General manager of retail and

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Speaker 3: with us. Now, Hey, Kathy, Hi, have you guys got

913
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Speaker 3: the same.

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Speaker 8: Problem generally speaking, yes, I'd say that's part of the challenge.

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Speaker 8: But look, predominantly we get some very quality donations and

916
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Speaker 8: we're extremely grateful for them. The challenge is the dumping

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Speaker 8: piece and when we donated items that are not sellable,

918
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Speaker 8: and you know, I think in the process of assessing donations,

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Speaker 8: the thought process being you know, is it sellable, is

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Speaker 8: it safe? And is it hygienic? And your example just then?

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Speaker 3: Okay, so have you had the Holy mdies.

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Speaker 8: Look that would come through time to time. I don't

923
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Speaker 8: think it's a regular and you wouldn't want that, you know,

924
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Speaker 8: primarily it would be unsellable clothing, so not of the

925
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Speaker 8: quality that you could on sell.

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Speaker 3: This is the question that Kathy, I do. I am

927
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Speaker 3: confused by this, okay, because I have been clearing out

928
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Speaker 3: the closets and stuff lately. I've had a massive surge

929
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Speaker 3: of pulmones making me do that, and then I didn't

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Speaker 3: know I would take it to the charity bin things,

931
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Speaker 3: you know, but I didn't know what the standard was

932
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Speaker 3: for what you people want. How do you know?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I would say, you know, if you think that

934
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Speaker 8: someone else would benefit from that product or be happy

935
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Speaker 8: to pay for it, that's where it definitely is, you know,

936
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Speaker 8: a sellable donation and gratefully received. When you think, oh

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Speaker 8: it's kind of on the edge, maybe it's hold or

938
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Speaker 8: you know, needing mending, that's where I would suggest that

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Speaker 8: you know, some customers coming through aren't looking for that

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Speaker 8: type of product. The hygiene issues that you've highlighted, you know,

941
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Speaker 8: they're serious and definitely wouldn't make it to the shop floor,

942
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Speaker 8: but you'd think that people would consider that along the way.

943
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Speaker 3: That's a slam dunkers and if the undies have pollen

944
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Speaker 3: it okay. Yeah, So what you're saying to me is

945
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Speaker 3: if it needs any mending, been it, don't put it

946
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Speaker 3: in the charity bin.

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Speaker 8: Generally speaking, yes, there could always be a customer for that,

948
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Speaker 8: but what we find is those are the pieces that

949
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Speaker 8: aren't picked up by customers.

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Speaker 3: Is it true that you guys have had a two

951
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty thousand dollar bill for the last year

952
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Speaker 3: across all your shops just to get rid of stuff

953
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Speaker 3: that people dump on you that you don't need.

954
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Speaker 8: Yes, that's a combination of wastage as well as recycling,

955
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Speaker 8: because there is a conscious effort obviously to recycle in

956
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Speaker 8: the process. But if you think about things that you

957
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Speaker 8: might have seen outside op shops that are dumped overnight,

958
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Speaker 8: things like mattresses, you know, quite sizeable articles and quite

959
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Speaker 8: sizable cost of dumping that's assumed by a charity here,

960
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Speaker 8: and you know that in itself is eroding from the

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Speaker 8: good work that our volunteers and team members are doing

962
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Speaker 8: and building fundraising. And that's that's the challenge, the commercial challenge.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Interesting, Hey, thank you very much, Kathy appreciated. Kathy Crichton, SPCA,

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Speaker 3: General Manager of Retail five twenty.

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Speaker 1: Two informed Inside into today's issues. It's Heather duplicy Ellen

966
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Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand. Let's get connected news talks

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Speaker 1: had been five twenty five.

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Speaker 19: Listen.

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Speaker 3: I wish we would stop being so petty that a

970
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 3: story about a government spending twenty thousand dollars to fly

971
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 3: Crystaldell back to New Zealand as a story at all.

972
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,879
Speaker 3: So the story which popped up this morning is that

973
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Speaker 3: the government flew Chrysladdell to Auckland to speak at the

974
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 3: Prime Minister's Big Infrastructure Investment summit in March. They didn't

975
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Speaker 3: pay him a speaking fee, but they did pay for

976
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Speaker 3: his flights to and from New York. And the flights

977
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Speaker 3: turned out to be about twenty thousand dollars, which would

978
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Speaker 3: suggest that he flew up the front of the plane.

979
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Speaker 3: And the story is basically it costs twenty thousand dollars. Now,

980
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 3: why this isn't a story is because paying twenty thousand

981
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Speaker 3: dollars to get Chrys Ladell to speak at your conference

982
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Speaker 3: is an amazing deal. Because Chris Laddell has worked for

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Speaker 3: the current President of the United States, and someone like

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00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 3: Chris Laddell who's held a position like that, would command

985
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:29,879
Speaker 3: normally huge amounts of money in speaking fees. I would

986
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:31,919
Speaker 3: have thought. In fact, Chris Bishop, who organized the summit,

987
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 3: pretty much said that reckons it would be in the

988
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Speaker 3: tens of thousands that you would normally expect to play, okay,

989
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 3: and then you put the flights on top of that,

990
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Speaker 3: and Bishop would be right. I mean, John Key reportedly

991
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 3: gets forty thousand dollars every time he speaks, and he

992
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 3: wasn't working for the former or the current president of

993
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Speaker 3: the United States. Chrys Laddell appears to have dished out

994
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 3: pretty uncontroversial advice like that New Zealand should keep a

995
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 3: low profile at the moment, should maintain existing connections, shouldn't

996
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 3: push controversial topics, and so on and so forth. I

997
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 3: don't really know what the audience got from Chrys Laddell

998
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 3: that they didn't already know, but there is still even

999
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 3: if it was boring and completely uncontroversial, there is still

1000
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 3: value in having him around because the Trump administration, as

1001
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 3: we know, is all about relationships, and if Laddeal still

1002
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 3: has a relationship with Trump, then it's not a bad

1003
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 3: thing for our ministers and our Prime minister to have

1004
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 3: a relationship with him and get to know him while

1005
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 3: he's here. Now, look, I get why we're interested in

1006
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 3: petty stuff like this, right. It's because twenty thousand dollars

1007
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 3: is the some that we all understand. We all deal

1008
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 3: with twenty thousand dollars at some stage, whether it's because

1009
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 3: we're buying a house or getting paid to whatever it is.

1010
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 3: And billions of dollars, you know, the real numbers that

1011
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 3: matter are far too big for us to get our

1012
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 3: head around. I mean, you know, one point three billion

1013
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 3: dollars is not so tens of thousands of dollars is

1014
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 3: more relatable. But there are numbers we should care more about,

1015
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 3: like the crime of the millions and millions and millions

1016
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 3: of dollars that we are paying every single day in

1017
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 3: interest on our country's debt. And frankly, twenty thousand dollars

1018
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 3: was a bargain for someone like chrys Ladell's time.

1019
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,720
Speaker 4: Would Heather do for see Ellen here that.

1020
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 3: You said watch Conclave and then you said watch out

1021
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 3: because just like the movie, the favorite doesn't win. Spoiler alert, Ma,

1022
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 3: that's what happens in literally every movie and the history

1023
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 3: of the world. You think, oh, he's the favorite, You've

1024
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 3: got it. Immediately you know he's not gonna win, right,

1025
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 3: That's just called a twist, Heather. I like to be

1026
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 3: paid in cash, so I don't pay bank fees. Oh,

1027
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 3: b yes, you don't pay bank mate. If you have

1028
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 3: a checking account, you don't pay bank fees. So you no,

1029
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 3: You're gonna have to come up with a better argument

1030
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 3: that you're probably doing something dodgy with it, aren't you.

1031
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 3: Headlines next then Rugby.

1032
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 1: On the iHeart app, and in your car on your

1033
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 1: drive home, it's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand,

1034
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 1: let's get connected news talk, said B.

1035
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 3: Well, tell you what, I am surprised the level of

1036
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 3: energy that people are bringing to this cash discussion. Like,

1037
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Speaker 3: take a look at this heady, you're very judgmental. I'm

1038
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 3: pretty much one hundred percent electronic person for transactions. But

1039
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 3: that is my choice and right people that want to

1040
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 3: use cash for one hundred and one reasons, let them.

1041
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 3: It's legal tender. Blah blah blah blah blah. Anyway, I

1042
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 3: can't quite get the handle of why people are so

1043
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 3: hit up about the cash and I just wonder if

1044
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 3: it's got anything to do with those conspiracy theories about cash.

1045
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 3: You know, so all of these conspiracy theory is that

1046
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 3: we're trying to get rid of cash and blah blah blah.

1047
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 3: Is that what's going on here that we're feeling very

1048
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 3: very strongly huddles with us. Shortly it's twenty four away

1049
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 3: from six now New Zealand. Rugby has posted a new

1050
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 3: nineteen point five million dollar loss for twenty twenty four.

1051
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 3: This is the third loss in a row and it's

1052
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 3: despite Rugby bringing in record income of two hundred and

1053
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 3: eighty five million dollars was up seven percent. Now the

1054
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Speaker 3: boss of New Zealand Rugby is Mark Robinson.

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00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:48,919
Speaker 20: Hey, Mark, afternoon, Heather.

1056
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 3: So what are you spending this money on.

1057
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 20: Well, we're investing in all levels of the game. We've

1058
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 20: also also said that we've got an investment model that

1059
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 20: has been in place for a long time that we

1060
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 20: are working in the second half of this year to

1061
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,439
Speaker 20: step back and have a really good look at and

1062
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 20: we spend a lot of time this afternoon with our

1063
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 20: stakeholders talking about the sheared vision for the game and

1064
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 20: the opportunity we have to reset that model. So you know,

1065
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,440
Speaker 20: we're really looking forward to that, to that opportunity. But

1066
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Speaker 20: the investment has gone into record levels of investment in

1067
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Speaker 20: the Women and Girls game to the work we're doing

1068
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Speaker 20: in content and digital strategy game development. You know, we've

1069
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 20: never had higher levels of investment in the community game.

1070
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Speaker 20: But there's also some things with the model that we

1071
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Speaker 20: need to spend some time working with everyone in the

1072
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Speaker 20: game to try and improve.

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00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 3: Okay, so are you are you getting any returns from

1074
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,399
Speaker 3: this investment in the Women's game, Like, is it washing

1075
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 3: its space or not yet?

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Speaker 20: Well, when we say the Woman's game, it's a whole

1077
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 20: a game strategy, isn't it. Well, over twenty million dollars

1078
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Speaker 20: per year now into women and girls, and when we

1079
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Speaker 20: see the increase in participation, we've had over fourteen percent

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Speaker 20: of participation at all levels of the game. That is

1081
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 20: an incredibly positive return on investment. But we have been

1082
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Speaker 20: very open that it will take time in terms of

1083
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Speaker 20: the pure standalone commercial model to work for the women's game,

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Speaker 20: but we're happy to take that long term view and

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Speaker 20: continue to invest in it. If you look at what

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Speaker 20: we did last year at the Twickenham game, you know,

1087
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Speaker 20: almost fifty thousand people turned up to watch that game

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Speaker 20: of Black Friens versus England. There's never been more tickets

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Speaker 20: being sold as we go into Rugby World Cup twenty

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Speaker 20: twenty five in England. So look, it's going to take

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Speaker 20: some time, but if you follow the trends around the

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Speaker 20: world as it relates to women's professional sport, we think

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Speaker 20: we'll get there in time.

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Speaker 2: Marg.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's admirable that you guys are

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Speaker 3: investing in areas that you see potential growth, like the

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Speaker 3: women's game, like even you ends at our Plus channel

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Speaker 3: and all that kind of stuff, But at some point

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Speaker 3: you can't keep doing this. You are going to have

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Speaker 3: to cut the fat. When is that point?

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Speaker 20: Well, if you step back and look at the last

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Speaker 20: four years, we've raised over a billion dollars in revenue,

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Speaker 20: and if you put aside those big investments that we've

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Speaker 20: made that were always planned, you know, about forty million

1105
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:11,160
Speaker 20: dollars into stakeholders in twenty twenty two to recapitalize the

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Speaker 20: game and kickstart some really key initiatives with our stakeholders.

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Speaker 20: And then I think it's just over twenty million dollars

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Speaker 20: as it relates to content and digital ended our plus

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00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 20: they are by far the you know, the biggest representative

1110
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Speaker 20: of the losses you refer to. If you put those aside,

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00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 20: the actual operational losses for the business has been around

1112
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 20: it's been just under six million dollars for that time,

1113
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Speaker 20: so as a business in terms of the way we're running.

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Speaker 3: But even then, I mean business, I take your point, right,

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00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 3: you're putting all this investment until you can't. You know

1116
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 3: that that might bear fruit at some point, but you

1117
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 3: have just recorded the largest income that you've ever had

1118
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 3: and you still can't break even. Even if you take

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00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 3: that story, well, well.

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Speaker 20: That goes to a combination of things the choices we made.

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Speaker 20: You know, if you look at the loss, if you

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Speaker 20: put aside the investment in digital and content and basically

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00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 20: commercial growth and then and effects issue which are raised

1124
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 20: immerged at the back end of last year, were basically

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Speaker 20: had a break even for this year. So and we've

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Speaker 20: been able to invest in all of those areas which

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Speaker 20: are starting to show if you look at the signing

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Speaker 20: an announcement of Toyota this week, they're definitely signaling that

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Speaker 20: that improved and growing digital reach that we have in

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Speaker 20: the ability to connect with fans and understand them more

1131
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 20: right across New Zealand and the world for that matter,

1132
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Speaker 20: is a big part of their involvement with us. So

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Speaker 20: we do think that we're starting to see real green

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Speaker 20: shoots in a few of these areas. We have had

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Speaker 20: second second year of consecutive growth in the community game.

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Speaker 20: But as you say, you know, the combination of the

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Speaker 20: ambition we have to invest in future growth at a

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Speaker 20: number of levels, combined with the I guess the historic

1139
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Speaker 20: model we have in terms of our funding and funding

1140
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Speaker 20: an investment framework means that we were struggling to meet

1141
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 20: that break even year on you and this is why

1142
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Speaker 20: the opportunity for the next six months is so exciting.

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Speaker 3: Hey, it's good to talk to you, Marke. I really

1144
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:08,280
Speaker 3: appreciate it. Mark Robinson, chief executive at New Zealand Rugby.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southurby's International Real d find

1146
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Speaker 1: you are one of.

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Speaker 3: The kind on the huddle we have this evening. Stuart Nash,

1148
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 3: former Labor minister, and Mark Sainsbury broadcast highlights.

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Speaker 21: Neither how are you mart?

1150
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:22,359
Speaker 9: Good? Good?

1151
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Speaker 22: Now?

1152
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:24,879
Speaker 3: Sains how do you feel about the heir all taking

1153
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 3: photos of Mark Lundy today?

1154
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 9: Oh? You know, and some much others don't care, you know.

1155
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 12: I mean he's come out as he can't do media interviews,

1156
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 12: so it's purely voyeuristic, isn't it.

1157
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:38,280
Speaker 3: Yes, totally.

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Speaker 12: But you know that's why we all complained about clickbait

1159
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:43,359
Speaker 12: and all this sort of stuff and we all look

1160
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Speaker 12: at it.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, then I did have a look. This is the thing.

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Speaker 12: I looked at the photo, but at the same time thinking, well,

1163
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Speaker 12: you know, it doesn't really you know, he's out, he's done,

1164
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Speaker 12: he's done his time.

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Speaker 3: Here's a question for you, saints. How closely did you

1166
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Speaker 3: look at the photo?

1167
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Speaker 2: What do you mean?

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Speaker 3: How well like how much time did you spend looking

1169
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Speaker 3: at me?

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Speaker 9: I didn't spend an inordinate time.

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Speaker 3: I spent a really long time, like I spent really Yeah.

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Speaker 12: I concentrated on Yeah, he was that half beard, which

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Speaker 12: I think should be been for anyone.

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Speaker 3: That's why I was because I was like, have you

1175
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 3: you have you just got that weird little goatee or no,

1176
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 3: now it's it's gone like full armish beard but without

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Speaker 3: the mustache. And then I was like really interrogating the

1178
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 3: color of his hoodie and and You're like, what kind

1179
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Speaker 3: of style are your glasses? I'm fascinated by him, are

1180
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Speaker 3: you not?

1181
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 9: Look?

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Speaker 12: There is something fascinating about about that, that whole thing.

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Speaker 12: I mean, because it's it's yeah, the whole case and

1184
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Speaker 12: and the way it's gone through. But you know it's

1185
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Speaker 12: it's he can't speak to the media.

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Speaker 3: I want to talk to him, don't you.

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 12: I look, you know I remember when I think it

1189
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Speaker 12: was Steve Braunius was fighting in this corner at one

1190
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Speaker 12: stage he found him at quite an interesting and curious person.

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Speaker 3: So, yeah, who does Steve Brownie has not find interesting

1192
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Speaker 3: and curious? What do you think, Stuart? Did you did

1193
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Speaker 3: you look at it? Did you did you.

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Speaker 21: The guy look saying. Mark brought up a good point.

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Speaker 21: We sort of have this concept in New Zealand that

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Speaker 21: if you do the crime and you're convicted, you do

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Speaker 21: your time. And once you've done your time, society has

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Speaker 21: kind of said, you know, you you paid your penance

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Speaker 21: to get on and live your life. I know, it

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Speaker 21: doesn't matter what you think of the guy, or the

1201
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Speaker 21: case or what you've read.

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Speaker 4: Just let the guy be.

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Speaker 21: He's done his time. If he wants to keep fighting

1204
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Speaker 21: for his innocence, well then he himself is putting himself

1205
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Speaker 21: out there. The terms of his parole are quite strict.

1206
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 21: Just let him go. I mean, shit, we've got more

1207
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Speaker 21: important things to deal with in this country than Mark

1208
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Speaker 21: bloody Lunder.

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Speaker 9: Haven't we like what?

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Speaker 2: I mean?

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Speaker 3: I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just wondering what's top

1212
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 3: of your mind? You pay equity Jesus day, how badly

1213
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 3: have they stuffed this up?

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Speaker 21: Really really badly? You know, if you're going to do

1215
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 21: something like this, you have got to have an outstandingly

1216
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 21: good comms program and strategy.

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Speaker 3: That oh my gosh, do you hit ste Hey Stu?

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Speaker 3: Are you there?

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Speaker 9: Mister Relibel? Still here?

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Speaker 3: Hey, oh, you know you are. You do it to

1221
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 3: me most of the time too, as unusual to have

1222
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Speaker 3: done it. Right, take a break and we'll see if

1223
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 3: we can come back to him. Sixteen away from six.

1224
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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand South Beast International Realty achieve

1225
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 1: extraordinary results with unparallel reach.

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Speaker 3: All right, you're back of the huddle, Stuart Nash and

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Speaker 3: Mark Sainsbury. Now, ste you were saying that you need

1228
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Speaker 3: a good COMMS plan if you're going to do something

1229
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 3: like this pay equity thing.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, you gotta have a great comm strategy because this

1231
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 21: was always going to cause a little bit of trouble.

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Speaker 21: They've completely stuffed this up. You know, you're fifty percent

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00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 21: of the population of woman. You've basically said it doesn't

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00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:48,919
Speaker 21: really matter if women aren't paid more than men, because

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00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 21: we've got other budget priorities, like you know, like defense,

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00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 21: like guns and ships and boats and tanks. But don't

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00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 21: worry about women's paid that. It's okay if they don't

1238
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 21: get paid the same. And you know you're talking to people.

1239
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 21: You know, I've got two daughters and a wife.

1240
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Speaker 9: You're a woman.

1241
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Speaker 21: Imagine finding out you know, your daughter's getting paid less

1242
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Speaker 21: because she's a woman and a woman's profession. I just

1243
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 21: think they have completely stuff And then to make it worse,

1244
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 21: David Seymour yet again has put his footnote by coming

1245
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 21: out and saying, oh, we've saved the government's budget by

1246
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 21: saving them billions of dollars, so it's about the budget now,

1247
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 21: about money And I think David Seymour shiffs if he's

1248
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Speaker 21: going to be a deputy prime minister.

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Speaker 3: Well, isn't it better that he's telling the truth rather

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00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 3: than the others who are pretending that it's not the case?

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Speaker 21: What is this the reason we're doing it? Are we

1252
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 21: actually doing this because we want to save money so

1253
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Speaker 21: we can spend another four billion dollars on defense?

1254
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:37,439
Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 21: Wow, If that is the priorze to the government, then

1256
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Speaker 21: I think they've got and they've completely misjudged it.

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Speaker 4: No was he?

1258
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 3: So can I come out yet with this right? I

1259
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 3: don't think that what they've done is a bad thing.

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Speaker 3: I think that it's a good thing to do what

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Speaker 3: they're doing and redid the system which had got completely mad.

1262
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Speaker 3: It's just the way that they've handled it and the

1263
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 3: way they've communicated it and done it on a shifty

1264
00:59:56,600 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 3: way that's the problem. So it looks underhand, right, and

1265
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 3: they haven't sold the story. Is that fair?

1266
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 21: Yeah, that's completely fair. Big Well, the thing is here

1267
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 21: that I don't know that's the case.

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Speaker 4: And the reason I.

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Speaker 21: Say that is if I had a really if I

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Speaker 21: had a really sound understanding of why they were doing this,

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Speaker 21: then I might take that stance and go, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 21: I kind of see why they haven't told you, why

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01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 21: they haven't told me, why they're doing this, what the

1274
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 21: cost of this is, what the implications are, and how

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Speaker 21: we're actually going to ensure that that women employed in

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Speaker 21: industries that a woman dominated are actually going to be

1277
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Speaker 21: paid a fair ways for a fair day's pay and

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Speaker 21: not undervalued compared to men.

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Speaker 3: Saying so what do you think, Oh, look.

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Speaker 12: I think it's a bit of a disaster if you

1281
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 12: really want to sort of ruin political chances piss.

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Speaker 9: Off hundreds of thousands of women, which is what they've done.

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Speaker 9: And I think, look, if there are good reasons for

1284
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Speaker 9: it here.

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Speaker 12: That if they're saying, as the saying, oh we're doing

1286
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:50,919
Speaker 12: this for women, effort's collective laugh, then you've.

1287
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Speaker 9: Got to come up with the goods and show why

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01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 9: it's happened. I think, I think still it was right.

1289
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 9: I was right on the money.

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Speaker 12: To come out with something like this without a plan

1291
01:00:58,080 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 12: of how to sell and explain to people why the

1292
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Speaker 12: done it, it just looks like we're happy to give

1293
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 12: tax cuts to you know, our mates. I'm happy to

1294
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 12: give tax cuts to landlords, but the working women of

1295
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 12: New Zealand they're going to pay for it.

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Speaker 3: So once again the landlord tax totally thing, totally tax break,

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01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 3: fair thing to do. Badly communicated, which seems to be

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01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 3: a common theme with these guys. Now listen saying so

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Speaker 3: I'm getting a lot of texts defending cash and taking

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Speaker 3: your wages in cash. But let's be honest about it

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Speaker 3: and tell me what you think if someone asks you

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Speaker 3: to be paid in cash. There is no not dodgy

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Speaker 3: reason is there.

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Speaker 9: It's look, it used to be the old cashy jobs.

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Speaker 12: You didn't pay tax, you didn't pay gest all that

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Speaker 12: sort of thing. But cash is just now. I mean,

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Speaker 12: you know, my wife's a lawyer. There anty money laundering.

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Speaker 12: Anyone spending more than ten thousand in cash, you've got

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Speaker 12: to explain where it came from.

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Speaker 9: You know, because cash is dodge.

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Speaker 12: You wonder what you wonder what's going to happen to

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Speaker 12: the illegal drugs industry if they get rid.

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Speaker 9: Of case transactions.

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Speaker 3: Don't you think if somebody says to you that they

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Speaker 3: want to be paid in cash, you know that it's

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Speaker 3: up to no good to Look, I.

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Speaker 21: Was a Minister of Revenue and this is a massive,

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Speaker 21: big problem. There were people getting paid cash and basically

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Speaker 21: that was you know, that was the word for we're

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Speaker 21: going to do this illegally. And yeah, this is a

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Speaker 21: whole lot of people. Look there, I doubt there's anyone

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Speaker 21: listening to to your program tonight that doesn't have a

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Speaker 21: cell phone. If you get a cell phone, you have

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Speaker 21: the ability to pay anything. With today's rather antiquated technology,

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Speaker 21: you really don't need cash unless you're going to do

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Speaker 21: something dodgy, or you've got it from doing something dodgy.

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Speaker 12: The weird thing is, I've had cash in my pocket

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Speaker 12: which sits there for almost for weeks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I always assume that I've got cash that's

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Speaker 3: been sitting there for weeks, and I'm alway disappointed when

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Speaker 3: I opened the wallet and I found that I did,

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Speaker 3: in fact spend it weeks ago. No, no, no hold on it.

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Speaker 3: Text to you, I think you. I think you were

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Speaker 3: too you were too sweeping with that statement, because sometimes

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Speaker 3: it's a good thing to have cash to, for example,

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Speaker 3: pay the babysitter, right, or you know you've got to

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Speaker 3: have a bit of cash for we.

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Speaker 9: Text don't go down there.

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Speaker 21: And exactly, she's very cool much if you want to

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Speaker 21: talk about text and charities. The thing is is that

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Speaker 21: I'm like you. I mean, I like to have a

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Speaker 21: fifty dollars sitting around somewhere just in case I need it. Yeah,

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Speaker 21: and then I go to find it when the kids

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Speaker 21: need for some sort of social and I find one

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Speaker 21: of the other kids has taken it. But we're not

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Speaker 21: talking about this, right. We're talking about someone coming along

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Speaker 21: and saying, hey, look I can build your fence. It's

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Speaker 21: going to cost you twelve hundred bucks, but if you

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Speaker 21: pay me cash, I can do it for a thousand. Now,

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Speaker 21: I think in this day and age, that's acceptable. And

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Speaker 21: all the hones spills out there and the vast majority

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Speaker 21: are will go shit. Aus I'm paying text in this biggar, isn't.

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Speaker 21: I don't think there's any reason to not have to

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Speaker 21: pay it.

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Speaker 9: And they're not doing it to avoid bank fees.

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Speaker 4: Are they?

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Speaker 16: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Bank fees. Guys, thanks very much, appreciate. It's Stuart Nash,

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Speaker 3: former Labor Minister Mark Sainsbury broadcast I ate away from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duplasy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: my Heart Radio powered by News talks'b.

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Speaker 3: Hither I have cash that I can buy takeaways and

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Speaker 3: not have my wife give me a hard time. That's

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Speaker 3: actually a fair point. I have my own bank account

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Speaker 3: because I get such a hard time. I get such

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Speaker 3: a hard time for what I spend money on. But

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Speaker 3: now what I do is I spend money on him.

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Speaker 3: So I say, would you would you like some new

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Speaker 3: T shirts. He's like, yeah, I'll pay, And now I'll

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Speaker 3: pay for you. Then that gives me a free run.

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Speaker 3: So maybe you should try doing that. Buy her something

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Speaker 3: and then she won't mind if you buy yourself something. Listen,

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Speaker 3: there's a twist in Australian politics which has just happened

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Speaker 3: in the last thirty forty minutes or so. Senator just

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Speaker 3: Enter Price has defected to the Liberal Party from the Nationals.

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Speaker 3: The word is that she's defected in order to run

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Speaker 3: for the deputy leadership of the Liberals in replacing Dutton.

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Speaker 3: So she's going to support Angus Taylor's bid, by the

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Speaker 3: looks of things, and we'll end up being his deputy.

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Speaker 3: Gets five away from six hither. I'm a woman and

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Speaker 3: I'm not pissed off with pay equity being revisited. Look,

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Speaker 3: I am a woman too, and more am I and

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Speaker 3: I feel like both those boys. And in fact, a

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Speaker 3: lot of commentators on the show in the last few

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Speaker 3: days have made the same mistake of assuming all of

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Speaker 3: us women think the same. Shock we don't. That's why

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Speaker 3: we don't all love just thunder right, some of us

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Speaker 3: do and some of us don't because we don't think

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Speaker 3: the same. So I think when you hear a commentator go, oh,

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Speaker 3: half the country is women and they have just pissed

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Speaker 3: off half the country. No they haven't. They haven't, and

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Speaker 3: there'll be a lot of blokes will be upset on

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Speaker 3: behalf of women and women who'll be upset on. But

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Speaker 3: it's basically, if you know, make a mistake thinking that

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Speaker 3: we all think the same, we do not. Anyway, some

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Speaker 3: of us actually understand what happened and we don't mind.

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Speaker 3: Now we're going to go after six o'clock to or

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Speaker 3: Torua because there's this big tourism convention going on at

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Speaker 3: there at the moment. But no surprise to anyone who's

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Speaker 3: been watching the emergency housing situation in the UA, it

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Speaker 3: is absolutely gone to the dogs when it comes to tourism.

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Speaker 3: So we'll touch base with the mayor and find out

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Speaker 3: what's up now. I recommend just a bit of recommended

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Speaker 3: reading for you, Virginia Fallon's piece about Bob Jones and

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Speaker 3: the Post. I love reading Virginia Fallon stuff. She's a

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Speaker 3: great writer and she gives you a brilliant picture of

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Speaker 3: what Bob Jones was like. She writes this about ten

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Speaker 3: years ago. For about six months, so, Bob Jones used

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Speaker 3: to call me every few days. Back then, I was

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Speaker 3: a baby journalist. Community papers were still a thing, and

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Speaker 3: I'd written a story about kids going without school lunches.

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Speaker 3: Bob had read the piece, which is why he called

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Speaker 3: the newsroom and demanded be put through to the girl

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Speaker 3: who wrote it. I've decided I should help, he said,

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Speaker 3: not that their parents deserve it. Initially, Bob asked me,

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Speaker 3: called me to ask about the kids who were going

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Speaker 3: without lunches, what sort of parents they had, and why

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Speaker 3: they weren't being fed. And he usually called about eleven am,

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Speaker 3: and I blocked it out in my calendar as Bob's

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Speaker 3: bit and looked forward to our sparring sessions because he

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Speaker 3: made me laugh and laugh, and I wasn't laughing in

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Speaker 3: any sort of scoffing or defensive way, but because he

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Speaker 3: was really brutally funny. He was offensive and caustic, awful,

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Speaker 3: and unfortunately often right on. He was brilliantly, obnoxiously hilarious. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: she goes on to say they talked for six months,

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Speaker 3: basically every other day. He gave her lots of advice.

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Speaker 3: I told her to give up journalism, but also he

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Speaker 3: helped those kids who weren't getting fed. And she didn't

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Speaker 3: say why because he swore her to secrecy. But that's

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Speaker 3: exactly what Bob was like, secretly extremely generous. News Talks EB.

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Speaker 1: Where business meets Insight the Business Hours with Heather Duplessy

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Speaker 3: Even In coming up in the next hour, Weight Watchers

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Speaker 3: has filed for bankruptcy. We're going to get you the

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Speaker 3: details of what went wrong there. Liam Dan will talk

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Speaker 3: us through the upcoming budget and Jamie mackay on the

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Speaker 3: good fight, as he says, against banking wokery. Seven past six. Now,

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Speaker 3: Rotua is one of the North Island's biggest tourism destinations.

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Speaker 3: It's been playing host to a big tourism conference this week,

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Speaker 3: but unfortunately, local business owners say the city feels dead

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Speaker 3: with fewer visitors than pre COVID. Tanya Tapsle is the

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Speaker 3: mayor of Rotu and is with us. Now, Hey, Tanya Sulder,

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Speaker 3: what's going wrong?

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Speaker 22: Well, I don't know what this journalist is up to

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Speaker 22: on because we have been absolutely smashing it intourism here

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Speaker 22: at to be.

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Speaker 3: Honest, okay, loving the energy you're bringing to it, I'm

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Speaker 3: not really that convinced when adjusted for inflation rough through

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Speaker 3: his visitor spender sitting at around eighty four percent of

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Speaker 3: what it was pre COVID.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, you know, people say pre COVID, this pre COVID,

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Speaker 22: that was five years ago. And by the way, we

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Speaker 22: are smashing it with the statistics as well. So we're

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Speaker 22: pretty surprised when we saw this very negative media article.

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Speaker 22: We surprised people are picking attle to do. No, but

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Speaker 22: will we fight back?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 22: And actually, if you look at the numbers, we're averaging

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Speaker 22: nineteen thousand visitors a day. So if you think about

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Speaker 22: the stats that this journalist has chosen to look at,

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Speaker 22: spend data is only on the credit card. Now, how

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Speaker 22: often do we book things using online data? So you know,

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Speaker 22: it's what you choose to pick, and we choose to

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Speaker 22: pick the positive view.

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Speaker 3: But what about all the people who are in little

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Speaker 3: truer who are talking to this journalist and saying this

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Speaker 3: is their experience.

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Speaker 22: Well, the funny thing about that is she's talking about tourism,

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Speaker 22: but they haven't actually asked any one in tourism a

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Speaker 22: couple of cafes or rather dodgy looking accommodation provider. And

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Speaker 22: actually we're hosting the biggest tourism industry event in the

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Speaker 22: country at the moment called Trends, and we also are

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Speaker 22: sharing the love on all the great things we're doing.

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Speaker 22: And we've just launched a Northiland collaboration. So when we

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Speaker 22: go all the way around the world promoting at Ortudo,

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Speaker 22: are we saying, you know what, let's get people around

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Speaker 22: the North Island. So you know, I really pushed back

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Speaker 22: on people thinking and trying to say it Ortred is

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Speaker 22: not doing good. If you have been here anytime recently

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Speaker 22: you would have seen a significant investment that's gone and

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Speaker 22: the place is looking awesome. I even't had the Prime

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Speaker 22: Minister visit a Orchuda and say, hey, this place has

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Speaker 22: really cleaned itself up. It's looking awesome. It is really

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Speaker 22: going for gold.

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Speaker 3: Tanya, I understand why. I mean, look, if I was

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Speaker 3: your comms person as your media manager, I would say, Tanya,

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Speaker 3: you go out there and you dispel that notion immediately

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Speaker 3: and get the tourists back in, right, But why would

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Speaker 3: these cafe owners and the dodgy accommodation provided tell us

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Speaker 3: tell the journalists that there aren't as many tourists, Like,

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Speaker 3: what's in it for them to talk down your town

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Speaker 3: other than to tell the truth.

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Speaker 22: Look, it's easy for people to dig their own hole.

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Speaker 16: Right.

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Speaker 22: I don't know what day of the week this lady

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Speaker 22: went to go ask us them, But the reality is

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Speaker 22: across our hotels we have seen year on year increases,

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Speaker 22: whether that's occupancy even the daily rate that they charge.

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Speaker 22: You know, we really are and always that you look

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Speaker 22: at at the statistics, we are doing really well and

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Speaker 22: actually even an international visitors, but also is outpacing the

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Speaker 22: rest of the country. These are stats. These are actually

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Speaker 22: you can find them online very easily, and over the

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Speaker 22: last two months we're actually up fifteen percent year on

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Speaker 22: year compared to six percent across New Zealand. So you know,

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Speaker 22: I'm not just out here promoting my destination because I'm

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Speaker 22: the mayor. I'm actually sticking up for what's correct, what's accurate,

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Speaker 22: and actually, like I said, we're smashing it and we

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Speaker 22: will continue to do so.

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Speaker 3: Tanya, thanks very much, appreciate your time. Mate. It's Tanya

1512
01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:02,040
Speaker 3: taps on the Mayor of true if we could all

1513
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 3: have advocates like that. Hey, bad news, Well, it depends

1514
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:07,600
Speaker 3: on what you look at it. I guess this is

1515
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:09,439
Speaker 3: good news. The good news is that we're going to

1516
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:11,920
Speaker 3: have enough gas this winter to get us through winter.

1517
01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:14,439
Speaker 3: The bad news is that we're buying it again from

1518
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:17,639
Speaker 3: methin x is this Contact Energy has announced that they're

1519
01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:20,240
Speaker 3: going to buy this. It's about two point eight pedadules

1520
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 3: of gas starting effective immediately, running for eight weeks, So

1521
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:25,599
Speaker 3: what would that take us through month and May month

1522
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:28,760
Speaker 3: of June. So basically then, well, I bet they're going

1523
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:30,200
Speaker 3: to have to buy some in July. If they're buying

1524
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:32,639
Speaker 3: it for the I would say they're saying eight weeks,

1525
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:34,759
Speaker 3: but I suspect it's going to carry on for longer anyway,

1526
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:36,840
Speaker 3: hopefully maybe they're waiting for the winter rains to come

1527
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:39,160
Speaker 3: in and fill up the hydrodrams. I don't really know anyway.

1528
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:42,400
Speaker 3: Why this is bad news is that it's expensive. Right,

1529
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:45,640
Speaker 3: This is what we did last time last winter, and

1530
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 3: something I think meth and X made off us something

1531
01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:51,280
Speaker 3: like one hundred and sixty seven million dollars selling US gas.

1532
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:51,880
Speaker 9: Now.

1533
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:53,599
Speaker 3: I don't know how that compares to what they would

1534
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:55,640
Speaker 3: have got if that actually just carried on with what

1535
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:57,880
Speaker 3: they were actually doing primarily as their business, rather than

1536
01:11:57,920 --> 01:11:59,800
Speaker 3: shutting everything down and then selling us the gas. But

1537
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:02,439
Speaker 3: doesn't feel like a good way to be running an

1538
01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:04,599
Speaker 3: electricity sector, do you know what I mean? You've got

1539
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:07,120
Speaker 3: this business that's supposed to be supposed to be earning

1540
01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:10,920
Speaker 3: US export revenue, we shut it down, we redirect the gas,

1541
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:12,800
Speaker 3: and we pay them so we can keep the things going.

1542
01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:14,639
Speaker 3: That doesn't feel like a good idea. But then again,

1543
01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 3: at least our lights are not going out this winter.

1544
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:18,120
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1548
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1549
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1550
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1551
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1552
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1553
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:47,000
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1554
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:50,080
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1555
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:54,000
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1556
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:57,120
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1557
01:12:57,240 --> 01:12:59,519
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1558
01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:02,040
Speaker 3: Three days sounds like a long time, but actually makes

1559
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:03,920
Speaker 3: sense because it's three days to lock on all those

1560
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:06,920
Speaker 3: incredible flavors. And honestly, you would not expect anything less

1561
01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:09,920
Speaker 3: from Bunderberg. These guys care about making stuff that just

1562
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:12,080
Speaker 3: tastes good. It's as simple as that. So to taste

1563
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:15,439
Speaker 3: Bunderberg's new Refreshingly Light sparkling drink rage, you'll find them

1564
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Speaker 3: at most major supermarkets.

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Speaker 4: Now heller do for see Allen.

1566
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:22,000
Speaker 3: Right, it's sixteen past six. Now we're two weeks away

1567
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:23,800
Speaker 3: from the budget, so the hints keep on dropping. The

1568
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:26,960
Speaker 3: Prime Minister said the government will increase total capital expenditure

1569
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:30,559
Speaker 3: it's allocated in its upcoming budget by four hundred million dollars.

1570
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:34,360
Speaker 3: That money goes into capital projects in health, education, defense, transport,

1571
01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:37,320
Speaker 3: portfolios and so on. Liam dan Is, the Herald's business

1572
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:38,719
Speaker 3: editor at large, and with us Now.

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01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:40,600
Speaker 23: Hey, Liam, Hi, here's it go.

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01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:43,320
Speaker 3: I'm very well, thank you. So why the significance of

1575
01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:45,360
Speaker 3: the capital budget going up as what.

1576
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:49,320
Speaker 23: Well, we had a little bit about we had from

1577
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:53,160
Speaker 23: Nikola Willis last week the operating budget and that was

1578
01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:56,160
Speaker 23: a big cut to it, and that was that's the

1579
01:13:56,200 --> 01:13:59,840
Speaker 23: money on hand to basically pay wages and keep the

1580
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 23: keep the government functioning, and that that was pretty austere.

1581
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:06,280
Speaker 23: And so you know, Nicola Willis had called her speech

1582
01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:09,320
Speaker 23: last week a growth budget and you're sort of scratching

1583
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:11,840
Speaker 23: our heads. Well, it doesn't look very growth orientated. So

1584
01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:17,800
Speaker 23: the capital expenditure is a bit larger, but you know,

1585
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:21,400
Speaker 23: so that that's good, and there was talk about some significant,

1586
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:26,000
Speaker 23: significant investment in infrastructure projects, which you know would be great.

1587
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:27,880
Speaker 23: I mean, that's the sort of money that you can

1588
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:29,559
Speaker 23: you can spend. Of course a few you've got to

1589
01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:31,560
Speaker 23: make the projects happen, as we've found out in the

1590
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:35,280
Speaker 23: last few years. But you know, that's a good thing.

1591
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:38,000
Speaker 23: Just I just think we probably have to remember there's

1592
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:40,559
Speaker 23: a big decisions that the government has to make about

1593
01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:45,519
Speaker 23: how much of this bending on defense goes, you know,

1594
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:47,559
Speaker 23: in the next year or so and over the next

1595
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:50,680
Speaker 23: four years. So they've actually you know, said they're going

1596
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 23: to up defense spending. I think it's something like six

1597
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:57,400
Speaker 23: point six point five billion or something like that on

1598
01:14:57,439 --> 01:15:00,360
Speaker 23: top of what they're already doing. So that would be

1599
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:05,519
Speaker 23: from the capital allowance as well. So yeah, this, you know,

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01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:08,240
Speaker 23: it's sort of like they're giving us little clues as

1601
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:10,720
Speaker 23: they go as to where this budget's going. It's it's

1602
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:14,080
Speaker 23: not going to be a big key as well, we

1603
01:15:14,200 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 23: got this and that and this, but it's you know,

1604
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:21,960
Speaker 23: in terms of the jigsaw of how they navigate I

1605
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:25,599
Speaker 23: guess this difficult fiscal period and keep going for gross

1606
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:27,800
Speaker 23: it was a little bit more detail and it's kind

1607
01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:28,400
Speaker 23: of interesting.

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01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:32,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I suppose it is. I mean, so Chris Luxin's

1609
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:34,120
Speaker 3: done the speech today right where he's pumped up the

1610
01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:37,160
Speaker 3: support for business. What are we expecting to see. Have

1611
01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:39,320
Speaker 3: we got any idea at all what he's going to

1612
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:40,960
Speaker 3: do to make it easier for business to be able

1613
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:41,519
Speaker 3: to invest.

1614
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:45,439
Speaker 23: Yeah, so he alluded to doing some some not not

1615
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:47,960
Speaker 23: huge things, but small things that would help businesses invest.

1616
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:51,080
Speaker 23: And I wonder whether it's this sort of the kind

1617
01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:54,840
Speaker 23: of tax rebate on you know, that allows you to

1618
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 23: depreciate or will take a tax rebeat on depreciation of assets,

1619
01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:01,240
Speaker 23: because I know that's one that's the Employers and Manufacturers

1620
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:04,600
Speaker 23: Association has really lobbied hard for over the years. It

1621
01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:08,799
Speaker 23: just means, you know, if to encourage businesses to invest

1622
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:13,160
Speaker 23: in new equipment and new technology. Obviously, you know, the

1623
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:14,800
Speaker 23: minute you take it out of the shop, it starts

1624
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:17,880
Speaker 23: to depreciate, and every year it depreciates and you can

1625
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:20,760
Speaker 23: claim back some tax on the depreciation. Now you can

1626
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:22,320
Speaker 23: set that at a different levels, so it may not

1627
01:16:22,360 --> 01:16:26,120
Speaker 23: be a huge amount of money, but you know, that's

1628
01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:27,920
Speaker 23: quite a positive thing because when we look at New

1629
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:32,919
Speaker 23: Zealand's productivity, we know that you know, the not investing

1630
01:16:32,920 --> 01:16:34,960
Speaker 23: in the latest technology is one of the reasons that

1631
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:38,000
Speaker 23: we say that we're sort of behind on productivity if

1632
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:40,440
Speaker 23: you look at countries like Germany so on, where they

1633
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:44,160
Speaker 23: use all the latest technology that helps drive productivity. So

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01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:46,360
Speaker 23: that's the kind of thing the government could do that

1635
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:48,559
Speaker 23: would sort of pay a dividend in the end, is

1636
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:50,639
Speaker 23: you know, in terms of boosting the economy and going

1637
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:51,960
Speaker 23: for growth, which is their mantra.

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01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:54,760
Speaker 3: Obviously, Liam, it's always good to talk to you. Thank you, mate.

1639
01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:58,360
Speaker 3: That's Liam Dan. The Herald's Business editor at large.

1640
01:16:58,479 --> 01:17:01,240
Speaker 4: Heather Duplessy Ellen just having a look at.

1641
01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:06,439
Speaker 3: The dodgy looking accommodation provider in the that. I don't

1642
01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:08,040
Speaker 3: know how the mayor is gonna I don't know how

1643
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 3: Motel is going to feel about that when they realize

1644
01:17:12,200 --> 01:17:14,360
Speaker 3: what the maya just said. It's not that bad looking.

1645
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:17,280
Speaker 3: It's it's actually it's I mean, it's a motel, so

1646
01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:19,519
Speaker 3: it's got some strong Motel vibes going on, you know.

1647
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:22,400
Speaker 3: But it's definitely got a kind of like it's got

1648
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:25,280
Speaker 3: an American desert feel about it, you know, like like

1649
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:28,240
Speaker 3: a bit Las Vegas. The sign out the side is

1650
01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:30,519
Speaker 3: a bit Las Vegasy has done and corrugated iron. I

1651
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:35,559
Speaker 3: don't know, that's not particularly less. Yeah, that's right.

1652
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:38,120
Speaker 24: The pool actually looks quite now I'd stay there.

1653
01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:40,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, the pool, the pool looks nice. The pools I've

1654
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:41,240
Speaker 3: got to give.

1655
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:43,640
Speaker 24: Them doesn't mean it's not dodgy.

1656
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:46,800
Speaker 3: If you see ants there, then she's right. And the pool,

1657
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:49,240
Speaker 3: I've can giving them points on their water clarity. It's

1658
01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:51,840
Speaker 3: a it's a fresh looking pool. It is a little

1659
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:54,679
Speaker 3: bit small like it's a it's it's a family sized pool,

1660
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:56,840
Speaker 3: isn't it. It's not really like a result sized pool.

1661
01:17:57,040 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 3: I would say, very nice photo gallery. They've got heat

1662
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:01,720
Speaker 3: the spars, so you can book yourself a room with

1663
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:04,559
Speaker 3: a spy. You can go as antsys to the pool.

1664
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:07,000
Speaker 3: There's a man with gray hair who will cook you

1665
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:11,040
Speaker 3: some snarlers. I'm guessing he's not a guest. I'm sold.

1666
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:18,160
Speaker 3: He looks like the motel's Butler's a butler. That's right,

1667
01:18:18,439 --> 01:18:20,920
Speaker 3: he's standing there with Actually those are not snarlers. I

1668
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:22,439
Speaker 3: lie to you. You know when you go to the

1669
01:18:22,479 --> 01:18:25,439
Speaker 3: supermarket and you buy like a styrofoam packet of meat

1670
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:27,559
Speaker 3: and you get like four bits of rump steak or

1671
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:30,599
Speaker 3: like four little surloins. He's got a packet of he's

1672
01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:33,639
Speaker 3: whipped the old the glad rap back on it, and

1673
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:37,080
Speaker 3: he's busy tonguing one out onto the the as a

1674
01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:39,080
Speaker 3: flat burner. So they haven't gone for the web, but

1675
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:41,000
Speaker 3: they've gone for the flat burner, but on the rusty side.

1676
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 3: But that's okay because in the desert, these things do

1677
01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:46,000
Speaker 3: you know, that perish? And there's a pot on the

1678
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:48,200
Speaker 3: barbecue as well, so I'm feeling like that, I'm not

1679
01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:50,400
Speaker 3: sure why, like, what are you cooking a pot on

1680
01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:55,880
Speaker 3: a barbecue? Lobsters? Yeah, crayfish, that's what you're getting here.

1681
01:18:56,479 --> 01:18:58,720
Speaker 3: And also, by the way, for all of this, and

1682
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:01,599
Speaker 3: then and then there's the dessert has been laid out

1683
01:19:01,640 --> 01:19:05,000
Speaker 3: for you. You've got toast. You've got two corn flakes,

1684
01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:07,400
Speaker 3: You've got two jugs of milk which is generous, two

1685
01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:09,479
Speaker 3: little muffins with lots of those littlee hundred and thousand

1686
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:13,160
Speaker 3: sprinkles on them, two little yogurts berries ones, and then

1687
01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:15,519
Speaker 3: two orange juice is glad wrapped up, and two trays

1688
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:17,640
Speaker 3: of peaches glad wrapped up. So they've gone to the

1689
01:19:17,680 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 3: food hygiene is out the gate on this place. And

1690
01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:23,200
Speaker 3: for all of that, right, for everything that you get

1691
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:25,000
Speaker 3: your butler doing your meat, you're gonna get all of

1692
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:26,680
Speaker 3: that for your breakfast. You're gonna get your pool, You're

1693
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:28,719
Speaker 3: gonna get your spar You are only paying one hundred

1694
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:31,680
Speaker 3: and fifty dollars a night. That is a bargain. So

1695
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:35,719
Speaker 3: I feel like Tanya may need to apologize to this outfit.

1696
01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 1: Six twenty two The Rural Report with MSD Animal Health

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Speaker 1: over Venzi It's most popular.

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Speaker 3: Cowcolar Jamie Mackay Hosts of the Countries with Me Now, Jamie, Hello, okay,

1699
01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:49,800
Speaker 3: So what's this fight against the banking wokery that's going on?

1700
01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:50,720
Speaker 3: How's it continuing?

1701
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:55,200
Speaker 19: Well, you know, the the best ideas are often borrowed

1702
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:57,240
Speaker 19: ideas from other people. I was reading a piece in

1703
01:19:57,320 --> 01:20:00,600
Speaker 19: the Rural News, one of our leading rural publictions in

1704
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:05,200
Speaker 19: this country, from their acervic sort of or even vitriolic

1705
01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:09,320
Speaker 19: cartoon character the Hound. Now this was made up by

1706
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:12,160
Speaker 19: the late David Anderson, one of the leading rural journals

1707
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:15,439
Speaker 19: in this country, incidentally the brother of Miles Anderson, the

1708
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:18,680
Speaker 19: national MP for White Taki. But the Hound wrote in

1709
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:20,719
Speaker 19: the Rural News, and this is good and it follows

1710
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:22,960
Speaker 19: on from a chat I had earlier in the week

1711
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:27,040
Speaker 19: with Mark Cameron, The Good Fight against banking wokery continues

1712
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:29,280
Speaker 19: with a draft bell to scrap the red tape forcing

1713
01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:34,320
Speaker 19: banks and financial institutions to make climate related disclosures. Then

1714
01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:38,200
Speaker 19: the Hound went on to quote Mark Cameron, who's refreshingly

1715
01:20:38,439 --> 01:20:41,439
Speaker 19: down to earth the ACT MP from Northland. He said,

1716
01:20:41,479 --> 01:20:45,559
Speaker 19: farmers are already seeing discrimination creeping into interstrates based on

1717
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:49,600
Speaker 19: perceived emissions. They fair they'll be the next to be debanked,

1718
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:52,639
Speaker 19: not because of any financial risk, but because they don't

1719
01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:55,679
Speaker 19: fit the agenda of the suit and ty Bigwicks. We've

1720
01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:59,280
Speaker 19: already seen it happening to essential industries like mining and

1721
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:02,960
Speaker 19: service station. So Mark Cameron leading the charge for ACT,

1722
01:21:03,200 --> 01:21:06,679
Speaker 19: joining Winston and Shane's war on wokery with the banks,

1723
01:21:06,720 --> 01:21:08,240
Speaker 19: and I say all power to them.

1724
01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:11,400
Speaker 3: You totally couldn't agree more. Now, what are these loopholes

1725
01:21:11,479 --> 01:21:13,800
Speaker 3: around the carbon farming and the planting.

1726
01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:16,639
Speaker 19: Well beef and lamb New Zealand have urged the government

1727
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:19,559
Speaker 19: to close some of these carbon farming loopholes. They came

1728
01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:23,200
Speaker 19: out well that they came out or the government came

1729
01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:25,960
Speaker 19: out on the fourth of December last year. But Chair

1730
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:30,439
Speaker 19: Ackland is quite rightly saying when these limits were announced

1731
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:32,360
Speaker 19: the PEG in the sand was put in the ground

1732
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:36,720
Speaker 19: on the fourth of December last year. The government would

1733
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:40,600
Speaker 19: ensure that unless there was a clear intent for conversion

1734
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:43,280
Speaker 19: before that date, you couldn't do it. But people are

1735
01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:47,559
Speaker 19: driving truck and trailer units through these loopholes at the moment.

1736
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:51,839
Speaker 19: What the MPI should I say. Came out with guidance

1737
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:57,320
Speaker 19: on what constitutes intent, but Kate Ackland saying these guidelines

1738
01:21:57,479 --> 01:22:00,720
Speaker 19: are deeply flawed. She says the two key flaws and

1739
01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:05,200
Speaker 19: the guidance relate to accepting receipts for ordering seedlings and

1740
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:09,080
Speaker 19: accepting third party assessments of farmland for a forestation, and

1741
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:11,200
Speaker 19: there are ways you can get around those, and she

1742
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:15,080
Speaker 19: quite rightly says, look, anyone can buy some seedlings. It's

1743
01:22:15,080 --> 01:22:17,960
Speaker 19: not uncommon to purchase them and worry about where they'll

1744
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:18,880
Speaker 19: be planted later.

1745
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:20,960
Speaker 9: In such cases, there is.

1746
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 19: No intent to enter any particular parcel of land into

1747
01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:27,439
Speaker 19: the etes. So people are still getting are still dodging

1748
01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:27,880
Speaker 19: this one.

1749
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:28,160
Speaker 2: Heather.

1750
01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:31,680
Speaker 19: We'll come in to force the legislation in October of

1751
01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:34,920
Speaker 19: this year, but some people, including federated farmers, are saying

1752
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:37,120
Speaker 19: why not do a pay equity rush it through the

1753
01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:39,960
Speaker 19: house type legislation? They're not quite as keen on that

1754
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:42,080
Speaker 19: one as they are on the pay equity and too.

1755
01:22:42,120 --> 01:22:44,080
Speaker 3: Right, Hey, thank you very much, Jammy, look after yourself.

1756
01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:47,120
Speaker 3: It's Jammy Mackay, host of the country right. Weight Watchers

1757
01:22:47,240 --> 01:22:51,280
Speaker 3: has filed for bankruptcy in the US. Apparently brand recognition

1758
01:22:51,439 --> 01:22:54,240
Speaker 3: for the business has just fallen through the floor. And

1759
01:22:54,280 --> 01:22:56,400
Speaker 3: you'd have to say, I mean, back in the day

1760
01:22:56,400 --> 01:22:58,880
Speaker 3: when it was Oprah and weight Watches, everybody knew about it.

1761
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:01,640
Speaker 3: Right nowadays, do you actually talk about it? Do you

1762
01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:02,439
Speaker 3: actually see it that much?

1763
01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:02,560
Speaker 22: No?

1764
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:04,920
Speaker 3: Anyway, we'll get the details on what exactly went wrong

1765
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:07,200
Speaker 3: with the nutritionists shortly. News talks at.

1766
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:16,120
Speaker 1: Beach everybody, whether it's macro, micro or just plain economics.

1767
01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:19,439
Speaker 1: It's all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Hellen

1768
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:23,559
Speaker 1: and Mars Insurance and investments, Grow your wealth to protect

1769
01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:24,080
Speaker 1: your future.

1770
01:23:24,280 --> 01:23:25,120
Speaker 4: News talks at me.

1771
01:23:27,240 --> 01:23:29,720
Speaker 3: In that guy fufil.

1772
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:33,440
Speaker 11: Sug we get for our tepl bebil.

1773
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:35,920
Speaker 3: Inter Brady's with us in ten minutes time.

1774
01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:36,599
Speaker 2: We're going to talk.

1775
01:23:36,479 --> 01:23:41,240
Speaker 3: About this US UK FTA. Things seem to be going

1776
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:43,280
Speaker 3: well for Keir Starmer. If this turns out to be true.

1777
01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:48,600
Speaker 3: We'll get the details from Ender shortly. Now Susan Lee. Uh,

1778
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:50,640
Speaker 3: this is the one who I was who Mars was

1779
01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:54,800
Speaker 3: telling us about earlier. Who has She's in the running

1780
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:56,840
Speaker 3: to be the new the replacement for Peter Dutton, and

1781
01:23:56,920 --> 01:23:58,680
Speaker 3: she changed her name and added an extra s for

1782
01:23:58,720 --> 01:24:03,200
Speaker 3: the numerology and so on. Anyway, she gets even more interesting.

1783
01:24:03,320 --> 01:24:06,640
Speaker 3: Like you, I've already found who I'm rooting for in

1784
01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:10,280
Speaker 3: this particular contest, and it is definitely Susan with two s's,

1785
01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:12,280
Speaker 3: because let me tell you about Susan. Okay, So, Susan

1786
01:24:12,360 --> 01:24:16,000
Speaker 3: was a pilot. She was born in Nigeria. She grew

1787
01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:18,439
Speaker 3: up in the Middle East. Her dad was a British

1788
01:24:18,479 --> 01:24:22,240
Speaker 3: intelligence agent. So she's already fascinating at this point, right,

1789
01:24:22,280 --> 01:24:25,760
Speaker 3: but never not even and then she grew up. Before

1790
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:28,840
Speaker 3: she became a pilot, she had a boring period where

1791
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:32,040
Speaker 3: she graduated with postgrad in like taxation and accounting and

1792
01:24:32,080 --> 01:24:34,040
Speaker 3: boring stuff like that. But actually she wasn't a boring

1793
01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:36,920
Speaker 3: person at all, despite the degree. She used to wear

1794
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:40,040
Speaker 3: spiky long hair and a dog collar when she was

1795
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:41,960
Speaker 3: studying at a Canberra high school. She was a little

1796
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:44,759
Speaker 3: punk rocker. Anyway, she then resigned. She's been in cabinet

1797
01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:48,280
Speaker 3: before she resigned in cabinet from cabinet in twenty seventeen

1798
01:24:48,280 --> 01:24:51,240
Speaker 3: in Australia because there was a bit of an expenses scandal.

1799
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:55,120
Speaker 3: She likes herself a charted plane. She doesn't like catching

1800
01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:58,640
Speaker 3: the commercial flats like the rest of us. So she's like,

1801
01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:02,360
Speaker 3: like Bob Jones, here thirteen thousand dollars to pilot charted

1802
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:05,200
Speaker 3: planes between capital cities, which is obviously more expensive than

1803
01:25:05,200 --> 01:25:07,800
Speaker 3: commercial flights, and people didn't love it anyway. So then

1804
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:11,120
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, fast forward to twenty twenty three, she

1805
01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:13,479
Speaker 3: turns up to Parliament dressed as Tina Turner.

1806
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:17,040
Speaker 1: Oh, with some nervousness, I give the call to the

1807
01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:18,160
Speaker 1: Leader of the Opposition.

1808
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:20,640
Speaker 14: Thank you, mister speaker. And I know at least one

1809
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:23,519
Speaker 14: of the questions you're asking, And yes, this is for

1810
01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:27,960
Speaker 14: a dare, a dare for a very worthwhile cause. First,

1811
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:33,280
Speaker 14: let me introduce my alter ego, Tina Lena Turner.

1812
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:36,240
Speaker 3: She doesn't need an alter ego because her actual ego

1813
01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:38,759
Speaker 3: is so interesting as it is. And she has turned

1814
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:41,760
Speaker 3: up in Parliament in a mini skirt that like the

1815
01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:43,680
Speaker 3: full teen at Turner. You know, when Tina did her

1816
01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:46,200
Speaker 3: skanky phases. She had the really short skirts and the

1817
01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:49,920
Speaker 3: like all the leg she has this on, plus the wig.

1818
01:25:50,479 --> 01:25:52,479
Speaker 3: The friday before she turned up. What had happened is

1819
01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:55,000
Speaker 3: she'd promised to do the Tina stunt at this cancer

1820
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:58,719
Speaker 3: frendraiser if the donation total had one hundred thousand Australian dollars,

1821
01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:00,639
Speaker 3: and it did so she was true to her word.

1822
01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:02,360
Speaker 4: Ever do for Cee Ellen.

1823
01:26:03,040 --> 01:26:05,679
Speaker 3: Now, weight Watchers is filing for bankruptcy in the US.

1824
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:07,960
Speaker 3: The weight loss service has run for more than sixty years,

1825
01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:10,200
Speaker 3: but recently ran into a little bit of trouble. According

1826
01:26:10,200 --> 01:26:13,759
Speaker 3: to brand tracking platform Tracksuit, awareness of the weight Watchers

1827
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:16,000
Speaker 3: brand in New Zealand has dropped by twenty two percent

1828
01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:17,599
Speaker 3: in just the last two and a half years, which

1829
01:26:17,640 --> 01:26:19,080
Speaker 3: is stunning. I would have thought Nicky Hart is a

1830
01:26:19,120 --> 01:26:23,040
Speaker 3: nutritionist and with this now, Hey Nikki, Hey Helen, what

1831
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:24,400
Speaker 3: went wrong for them?

1832
01:26:24,760 --> 01:26:24,960
Speaker 5: Oh?

1833
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:28,479
Speaker 18: Look, I think it's multifactorial. I mean, if you look

1834
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:31,840
Speaker 18: back sixty years ago, the messaging around weight loss was

1835
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:34,160
Speaker 18: really simple, eat less, do more. But we know it's

1836
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:38,240
Speaker 18: more complicated than that now. And I wonder if if

1837
01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:40,679
Speaker 18: I look at maybe and it was predominantly women who

1838
01:26:40,680 --> 01:26:43,000
Speaker 18: were using it, way back in the day. I think

1839
01:26:43,200 --> 01:26:45,519
Speaker 18: we've matured. We're coming up the other end, going, actually,

1840
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:48,840
Speaker 18: I'm not buying into this now, and I need to

1841
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:51,000
Speaker 18: look after my nutrition. Are there other ways that I

1842
01:26:51,080 --> 01:26:53,719
Speaker 18: can look after my health well being in my weight

1843
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:55,800
Speaker 18: And maybe it's not weightwatching, but.

1844
01:26:55,800 --> 01:26:58,320
Speaker 3: Nicky, I thought it was always just I still think

1845
01:26:58,320 --> 01:27:00,800
Speaker 3: it's about maths, isn't it. It's calor reason have to

1846
01:27:00,840 --> 01:27:04,040
Speaker 3: be fewer than calories out Ah.

1847
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:06,920
Speaker 18: I know, because when you look at all the environmental

1848
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:08,800
Speaker 18: factors and stuff at play now, and you've got to

1849
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:11,040
Speaker 18: look at genetics and other things as well. I think

1850
01:27:11,040 --> 01:27:14,720
Speaker 18: there's more to it. I think there's also with the

1851
01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:19,120
Speaker 18: advent of injectibles, the g alkaline antagonists, I think that's

1852
01:27:19,240 --> 01:27:20,759
Speaker 18: playing a role in this as well.

1853
01:27:21,320 --> 01:27:23,759
Speaker 3: So we found a shortcut, isn't that The truth, Nicky,

1854
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:25,479
Speaker 3: Is that we've found that you can give yourself a

1855
01:27:25,520 --> 01:27:27,920
Speaker 3: little injection in the butt like ozen pic and it's

1856
01:27:28,040 --> 01:27:30,200
Speaker 3: much easier than cutting down your calories.

1857
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:34,040
Speaker 18: Yeah, but it's expensive, Heather, you know, like you're looking

1858
01:27:34,120 --> 01:27:36,880
Speaker 18: at at least five hundred dollars a month to be

1859
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:39,200
Speaker 18: able to do this. So I don't actually think it's

1860
01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:42,680
Speaker 18: about as simple as an injectible either. I think I

1861
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:45,799
Speaker 18: think there's the shift now that that whole input output

1862
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:49,120
Speaker 18: thing we now know that's say, for example, increasing your

1863
01:27:49,160 --> 01:27:53,000
Speaker 18: protein gives you greater satiation, so you don't tend to

1864
01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:55,000
Speaker 18: want as much food. So there's a lot of women

1865
01:27:55,040 --> 01:27:57,559
Speaker 18: now who are doing a higher protein level in their diet,

1866
01:27:57,640 --> 01:28:01,080
Speaker 18: realizing they don't need to restrict their calories and eat

1867
01:28:01,479 --> 01:28:04,000
Speaker 18: rice cakes and bean sprouts and so feel that they

1868
01:28:04,080 --> 01:28:05,760
Speaker 18: can lose weight without doings.

1869
01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:08,479
Speaker 3: Niki, what what are you telling me that if I

1870
01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:11,320
Speaker 3: eat myself a gigantic piece of sta what a satiation?

1871
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:13,600
Speaker 3: So that's satisfied.

1872
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:17,599
Speaker 18: Yes, you can feel fuller on the type of food

1873
01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:18,559
Speaker 18: that you're eating, but.

1874
01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:21,080
Speaker 3: Though still calories and calories outgo. I feel like we're

1875
01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:23,519
Speaker 3: getting distracted, but I'm loving it. Isn't it still the same?

1876
01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:25,800
Speaker 3: Because if I eat a gigantic piece of steak that

1877
01:28:25,880 --> 01:28:29,400
Speaker 3: maybe two hundred grams is four hundred calories, then I'm

1878
01:28:29,439 --> 01:28:31,360
Speaker 3: not going to want to have all the chocolates and

1879
01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:33,400
Speaker 3: the cakes and stuff, right, so it keeps me full

1880
01:28:33,400 --> 01:28:37,200
Speaker 3: of for longer. Therefore, I still am taking in fewer calories.

1881
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:41,920
Speaker 18: Yep, But the craving so That's what ozenpic and stuff

1882
01:28:41,960 --> 01:28:45,880
Speaker 18: does is that they block you wanting sweet refined cover

1883
01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:50,240
Speaker 18: hydrants especially, and so therefore you're not getting those refined

1884
01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:53,480
Speaker 18: cal calories. But we still can't afford you to be malnourished.

1885
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:57,719
Speaker 18: We still can't afford you to become micronutrient deficient because

1886
01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:01,240
Speaker 18: you're eating too low in total calories. We want the

1887
01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:02,600
Speaker 18: calories you do consume.

1888
01:29:04,200 --> 01:29:05,800
Speaker 17: Yeah, totally, yeah, I hear.

1889
01:29:06,320 --> 01:29:07,680
Speaker 16: Okay, so is that for me?

1890
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:09,720
Speaker 3: Okay? So, Nikki, what the planning to do at weight

1891
01:29:09,800 --> 01:29:12,240
Speaker 3: watches now is to do Tellyhealth. Is that going to work?

1892
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:13,920
Speaker 3: Because it sounded to me like the Teally Health is

1893
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:17,360
Speaker 3: basically going to be a teallyhealth service that helps you

1894
01:29:17,439 --> 01:29:19,960
Speaker 3: to get a prescription for the things like ozmpic, can

1895
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:20,960
Speaker 3: we go v and so on.

1896
01:29:22,080 --> 01:29:25,400
Speaker 18: Yeah, But I think we, I personally think that you

1897
01:29:25,400 --> 01:29:28,439
Speaker 18: shouldn't you shouldn't need that either. I believe that if

1898
01:29:28,479 --> 01:29:33,160
Speaker 18: you are under the guidance of your GP or healthcare professional.

1899
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:35,679
Speaker 18: I don't know where they're place is for weight watches,

1900
01:29:35,720 --> 01:29:38,360
Speaker 18: but back in the day, like weight watches, we used

1901
01:29:38,360 --> 01:29:40,599
Speaker 18: to have our lovely John Burtbeck, who was their medical

1902
01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:43,000
Speaker 18: advisor here in New Zealand and it was based on

1903
01:29:43,280 --> 01:29:46,680
Speaker 18: our food and nutrition guidelines, Heather, That's what it was originally,

1904
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:49,400
Speaker 18: and then it kind of morphed into this whole kind

1905
01:29:49,439 --> 01:29:52,799
Speaker 18: of points system, and I think women were like saving

1906
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:55,080
Speaker 18: all their points up and eating pizza, you know, because

1907
01:29:55,080 --> 01:29:56,760
Speaker 18: they could save their points up and do it that way,

1908
01:29:56,920 --> 01:30:00,439
Speaker 18: and that wasn't good nutrition. Whereas I think worth the

1909
01:30:00,520 --> 01:30:04,559
Speaker 18: advent of social media and all these g LP one things,

1910
01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:07,720
Speaker 18: women especially are sourcing their information a little bit more

1911
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:10,519
Speaker 18: crudibly and going, well, actually, what do I need for

1912
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:12,920
Speaker 18: my health and well being, not just for weight loss

1913
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:16,080
Speaker 18: but for everything else and conjubidis.

1914
01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:18,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, that's fascinating. I really appreciate it. Nikky

1915
01:30:18,160 --> 01:30:21,400
Speaker 3: Hart nutritionist. I used to buy the way I mean,

1916
01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:24,120
Speaker 3: you know it's calories and then calories out, don't you.

1917
01:30:25,400 --> 01:30:27,519
Speaker 3: I used to save my calories up for a whiskey

1918
01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:31,599
Speaker 3: soda times three. I don't do that one. But this

1919
01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:33,840
Speaker 3: is the thing is everybody who's trying to lose but

1920
01:30:33,960 --> 01:30:35,960
Speaker 3: what I'm only speaking about my friendship group and my

1921
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:38,519
Speaker 3: family and my mother when they're trying to lose weight.

1922
01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:41,599
Speaker 3: I'm like, my first question is always do you drink

1923
01:30:41,640 --> 01:30:45,080
Speaker 3: gin and tonic. Do you drink a beer? And I

1924
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:48,080
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, I love a Gin and Donnic. Like, okay,

1925
01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:50,479
Speaker 3: well there you go, did you know right? And that's

1926
01:30:50,520 --> 01:30:52,280
Speaker 3: the thing. You've got to cut that out immediately if

1927
01:30:52,280 --> 01:30:54,200
Speaker 3: you want to lose weight. A beer has one hundred

1928
01:30:54,240 --> 01:30:57,040
Speaker 3: and twenty calories in it, Okay, A Gin and Tonic

1929
01:30:57,240 --> 01:30:59,960
Speaker 3: has one hundred and eighty calories. I think by memory

1930
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Speaker 3: on hundred and fifty hundred and eight is massive. It's like,

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Speaker 3: if you drink a Gin and Tonic, you're eating three

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Speaker 3: pieces of vogels toast, Like everyone is three pieces of

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Speaker 3: vocals toast. Do you sit there at night and just

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Speaker 3: smash yourself nine pieces of vogels toast in your face? No,

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Speaker 3: so you shouldn't have three Gin and Tonics if you're trying.

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Speaker 24: To lose weight, these vogals toast is pretty good. Yeah,

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Speaker 24: but please, I was gonna have nine pieces of toast.

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Speaker 3: Would you have nine pieces of toast or three Gin

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Speaker 3: and Tonics?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: The gin and Toinic?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well we all would, right. So anyway, so this

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Speaker 3: is my tip always if I I mean, who cares

1944
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Speaker 3: what I think, but I'm always like, cut out that

1945
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Speaker 3: cut out. That's your alcohol. It's always you alcohol. It's

1946
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Speaker 3: always you alcohol. Go for a gin and soda, gin

1947
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Speaker 3: and soda, vodka, soda, whiskey soda, because then the only

1948
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Speaker 3: calories you're taking in are your alcohol content, which is

1949
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Speaker 3: like sixty calories and a nip. Right, let me tell

1950
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Speaker 3: you those nips are not generous. Man. You're living it's

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Speaker 3: like it's rations. Man, it's rations when you're trying to

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Speaker 3: lose weight. Here the weight while watch has died because

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Speaker 3: fat housewives got access to the Internet and they're not idiots.

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Speaker 3: That's not rocket science, Thank you very much, John Helen.

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Speaker 3: You're going to have to work on your brand awareness

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Speaker 3: that I am. It is a pity sixteen away from seven.

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Speaker 1: Everything from SMEs to the big corporates, the Business Hour

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Speaker 1: with Heather duplic, Ellen and Mares, insurance and investments, Grow

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Speaker 1: your wealth, protect your future.

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Speaker 3: Use talks env Here the used diet tonic with your gin.

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Speaker 3: You've only got fifty six calories per cap Well, no,

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Speaker 3: because you know it has that in diet anything has

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Speaker 3: that yucky, that fake sugar, this disgusting. I frankly would

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Speaker 3: rather have soda and actually soda with gin. I tell

1965
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Speaker 3: you what it can taste all the notes. It's you're

1966
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Speaker 3: not just eating your sugar are Yeah, you're not. I'm

1967
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Speaker 3: not eighteen years old. I don't need to drink that

1968
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Speaker 3: much soda thirteen away from seven. And when I say soda,

1969
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Speaker 3: I do mean like like pop soda. Do you know

1970
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Speaker 3: what I mean? Like soda? Water is fine. It's very classy.

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Speaker 3: Indo Brady UK corresponding with US. Now, Hey, Enda, hey,

1972
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Speaker 3: he how are you? I'm very well, thank you. This

1973
01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:55,439
Speaker 3: is a surprise, this UK FTA with the US, right,

1974
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Speaker 3: because we thought you people were in the third phase.

1975
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Speaker 11: Yeah, so we find this out overnight via social media.

1976
01:33:03,200 --> 01:33:06,479
Speaker 11: President Trump has been busy and there is a major

1977
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Speaker 11: trade deal going to be announced at three pm UK time.

1978
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Speaker 11: We're hearing he just teased that. Trump he said it's

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Speaker 11: with a major respected world nation. Downing Street is not

1980
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Speaker 11: denying that it is the United Kingdom. So on the

1981
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Speaker 11: face of it, this is a win for kir Starmer.

1982
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Speaker 11: But let's have a look at the detail. And it's

1983
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Speaker 11: interesting the word deal is being used, not agreement, and

1984
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Speaker 11: I think there's a very big difference between a deal

1985
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Speaker 11: which could be short term and may see tariff's reduced

1986
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Speaker 11: as opposed to a long term free trade agreement. But

1987
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Speaker 11: whatever happens, it's a win for Britain and I guess

1988
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Speaker 11: Starmer will take it as a win too.

1989
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Speaker 3: Now does this make you feel less embarrassed at how

1990
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Speaker 3: much of a butt kiss a Kiirstamer was?

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Speaker 11: Look, I think what we're going to see in the

1992
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Speaker 11: next couple of days. Here's my prediction, Turnbury Golf Course

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Speaker 11: in Scotland, which is owned by Donald Trump Hernburry Golf

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Speaker 11: Course in Ayrshire. I reckon they're getting the Open Championship

1995
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Speaker 11: in twenty twenty eight, and I think that's as much

1996
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Speaker 11: as is in this It's a transaction, so the tariffs

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Speaker 11: will go back down at the zero from the UK.

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Speaker 11: Trump gets to come here on a second state visit

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Speaker 11: with the royal family and all of that makes history.

2000
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Speaker 11: And then secondly the golf course in Scotland will host

2001
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Speaker 11: the Open Championship. So look, everyone's running around after this

2002
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:25,519
Speaker 11: guy the whole world. I mean, the smartest person in

2003
01:34:25,560 --> 01:34:29,000
Speaker 11: Europe has actually been the President of Finland. Alexander Stubb.

2004
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Speaker 11: Educated at an American university. He plays off scratch at golf,

2005
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Speaker 11: flew himself to Florida, played around the golf for Trump

2006
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Speaker 11: and suddenly Finland has the direct line to the White House.

2007
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Speaker 11: You couldn't make it up all because of golf.

2008
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Speaker 3: It's all about relations, relationship since transactional as you say,

2009
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Speaker 3: listen this Tierra plot. What building was the target?

2010
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Speaker 11: So there's been a lot of speculation. This week eight

2011
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Speaker 11: men were arrested in various different parts of England, from

2012
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Speaker 11: the Northwest to Swindon in Wiltshire to West London. Men arrested,

2013
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Speaker 11: seven of them were Iranian. The sas were involved in

2014
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:08,439
Speaker 11: these arrests and elite police officers as well, so heavily

2015
01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:11,960
Speaker 11: armed police officers took these guys into custody. We learned

2016
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Speaker 11: today the newspapers say that the target was to be

2017
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Speaker 11: the Israeli embassy in central London. Now that is a

2018
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Speaker 11: heavily protected building, but clearly the intelligence made its way

2019
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Speaker 11: to the police and that that was to be the

2020
01:35:26,680 --> 01:35:30,240
Speaker 11: target of the attack. So Iran, on the face of

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01:35:30,280 --> 01:35:34,960
Speaker 11: everything we're hearing today, Iran, with covert operatives on UK soil,

2022
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Speaker 11: were going to attack Israeli people at their embassy in London.

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Speaker 11: This would have been a bloodbath. But it's been intercepted.

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Speaker 3: Thank god, Inda, thank you so much. Appreciated into Brady UK,

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Speaker 3: corresponding you, so I've done the numbers. I had to

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Speaker 3: do the sums because I don't do these things automatically

2027
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Speaker 3: and my brand, and it looks like that free trade

2028
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Speaker 3: deal will be announced around about three in the morning

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Speaker 3: our time. Nine away from seven.

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Speaker 3: Hey, by the way, Seven away from seven. Do you

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01:36:22,800 --> 01:36:26,960
Speaker 3: remember there was the meeting before Adrian Or quit as

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Speaker 3: the Reserve Bank governor. Do you remember there was that

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Speaker 3: meeting between Adrian Or and Nikola Willis And it was

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Speaker 3: two weeks beforehand, And there may have been some shouting

2039
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Speaker 3: at the meeting, but there may also have not been

2040
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Speaker 3: some shouting at the meeting, And the meeting may have

2041
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Speaker 3: been the reason for Adrian Or quitting, but it may

2042
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Speaker 3: also have not been the reason for Adrian Or quitting.

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Speaker 3: And we don't know what's going on. Well. The acting

2044
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Speaker 3: Reserve Bank Governor, Christian Hawksby was at that meeting, and

2045
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Speaker 3: so when he got to the Select Committee yesterday at

2046
01:36:55,560 --> 01:36:56,880
Speaker 3: Parliament he was asked about it.

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Speaker 25: Were you at that mason on the twenty fourth or

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01:36:58,600 --> 01:36:59,200
Speaker 25: few briefs?

2049
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Speaker 4: So who was there with you?

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Speaker 25: Yes, I was at the meeting with the previous governor

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Speaker 25: and the chair.

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Speaker 3: So the person asking the question is Babs. That's Labour's

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01:37:08,439 --> 01:37:11,920
Speaker 3: finance spokesperson, Barbara Edmonds, and then she asked, you know

2054
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Speaker 3: a little bit more detail about the meeting, and then

2055
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Speaker 3: Christian could remember that he was at the meeting, but

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Speaker 3: I can't remember anything else.

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Speaker 8: Did the Minister of Finance ask you at that meeting

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Speaker 8: that it was her preference that there'd be a review

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Speaker 8: into the capital requirement rules.

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Speaker 25: I can't recall all the details of the meeting and

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Speaker 25: it's not something that sort of generally get into.

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Speaker 3: Okay, And then so I mean you might like, well,

2063
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Speaker 3: that's not the smoking gun. I mean it's a pretty

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01:37:40,280 --> 01:37:42,000
Speaker 3: big deal for the Reserve Bank, a pretty big deal

2065
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Speaker 3: because Adrian was emphatic that he wanted to do it

2066
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Speaker 3: and Nicola was emphatic that she didn't want to do

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Speaker 3: the capital things. And then after Adrian leaves, then they

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01:37:50,200 --> 01:37:51,960
Speaker 3: do the review, so like it's a big deal, but

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01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:54,479
Speaker 3: Christian can't remember it, and maybe, like to be fair

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01:37:54,520 --> 01:37:57,080
Speaker 3: to him, there are lots of meetings that happened here

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01:37:57,120 --> 01:38:00,400
Speaker 3: at work and I don't listen. They think I'm listening,

2072
01:38:00,439 --> 01:38:02,800
Speaker 3: but I'm not listening, and tune We all tune out.

2073
01:38:02,840 --> 01:38:06,559
Speaker 3: Maybe he just tuned out. Then Babs asked if the

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01:38:06,640 --> 01:38:11,840
Speaker 3: meeting was about Adrian Or's resignation. Was this meeting two

2075
01:38:11,920 --> 01:38:14,680
Speaker 3: weeks before he quits about the fact that he's going

2076
01:38:14,760 --> 01:38:15,080
Speaker 3: to quit?

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Speaker 4: Right?

2078
01:38:16,760 --> 01:38:19,920
Speaker 3: And before Christian can answer the question, he's all like

2079
01:38:20,120 --> 01:38:23,160
Speaker 3: a going to answer the question, the chair of the committee,

2080
01:38:23,479 --> 01:38:27,479
Speaker 3: Cameron Brewer, shuts it down and leaves us hanging. Now,

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01:38:27,920 --> 01:38:30,040
Speaker 3: of course Cameron Brewer shut it down. He's a national

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01:38:30,120 --> 01:38:32,760
Speaker 3: MP and Nicholas a national MP. So I see what

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01:38:32,800 --> 01:38:35,920
Speaker 3: you're doing. They're running interference camera. But we want to know.

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01:38:36,200 --> 01:38:37,840
Speaker 3: I want to know what happened, and one day we

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01:38:37,880 --> 01:38:40,679
Speaker 3: will know, We will know, And what have you got?

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Speaker 24: I really hope Laura is listening in those meetings here

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Speaker 24: because I don't retain everything that happens either. So at

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Speaker 24: one point the boss is going to quiz us, and

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01:38:46,880 --> 01:38:48,360
Speaker 24: I think at least one person on the team needs

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01:38:48,360 --> 01:38:50,960
Speaker 24: to be listeninger otherwise we're all in trouble. What's love

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01:38:51,000 --> 01:38:52,519
Speaker 24: got to do with it? To play us out tonight?

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01:38:52,520 --> 01:38:54,479
Speaker 24: By Tina Turner. This is in honor of our new

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01:38:54,520 --> 01:38:57,160
Speaker 24: favorite Australian MP Susan Lee, who may or may not

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Speaker 24: be the new leader of the Opposition if she wins

2095
01:38:59,280 --> 01:39:01,920
Speaker 24: the leadership content. I have learned so much more about

2096
01:39:01,920 --> 01:39:04,519
Speaker 24: this politician today than I ever thought I would. And yeah,

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01:39:05,200 --> 01:39:06,880
Speaker 24: she dressed up as Tina Turner. I think we'll go

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01:39:06,880 --> 01:39:07,759
Speaker 24: out with some Tina Turner.

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Speaker 3: You what Susan Lee's name? When you see it written down,

2100
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Speaker 3: you just want to say Suzanne Lay, don't you.

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01:39:14,200 --> 01:39:14,400
Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 24: Well, I was pretty confident with Lee now because she's

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Speaker 24: a good way to remember, because Tina Lena Turner, that's

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Speaker 24: how you remember how to pronounce it.

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01:39:20,240 --> 01:39:24,639
Speaker 3: Oh, I just got there. I didn't get there.

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01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:26,519
Speaker 24: Yeah, yeah, maybe you did see it right down? Yes,

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Speaker 24: so Tina, and then like Lee Elie wise, Tina Lena Turner,

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Speaker 24: you go.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. I wondered why she went for Lina. I

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Speaker 3: thought that's weird anyway, I thought I just put it

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Speaker 3: down to weird new neurology. Again, thank you and see

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Speaker 3: you tomorrow dot do.

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Speaker 10: What a queen old passive porst.

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Speaker 3: What is the fun when.

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Speaker 10: A post Brothers last dot dot do with this booting?

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Speaker 3: The fun when a.

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