1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: And host of the Country Jamie McKay is with this 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: THISCE evening. He had Shane Jones on the show today, Jamie, 3 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:08,879 Speaker 1: how is he rolling out his PGF two point zero? 4 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's what it is. He's only got one 5 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 2: point two billion this time around, Jack as a peaster. 6 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 2: Yea peanuts. He had three billion to splash around last 7 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 2: time under de Cinder. So we'll see how he goes. 8 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 2: And well, I guess on your show today you've gone 9 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 2: from one great Northland MP, my old mate Grant mcnational 10 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 2: to Shane Jones. So Martina, Shane the Prince of the provinces. 11 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 2: He's off on a series of summits around the region, 12 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 2: fifteen of them. He's got that one point two billion 13 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 2: dollars to spend in the regions to improve productivity. He 14 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 2: wants to grow and strengthen the economy. These summits are 15 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 2: going to take place over the next six to eight 16 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 2: months and I think the first one is in Nelson 17 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 2: on August the twelfth. 18 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to be really interesting to see. I 19 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 1: mean it is. It has to be said, so much 20 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: more focused than the first iteration of the PDF, which 21 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: is not a high heard all to clear, but yeah, 22 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: you know, it's going to be very interesting to see 23 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: how that has rolled out. Now the primary sector is 24 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: going to have to rely on new tools and technologies 25 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 1: in order to lower it to missions if it is 26 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 1: to hit targets outlined in the government's newly released draft 27 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: emissions reduction plan. 28 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 2: That's right, And as you alluded to, Jack Shane Jones 29 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 2: was on the country today and he wasn't having a 30 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:27,479 Speaker 2: bar of decarbonization if it meant de industrialization. And here's 31 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 2: what he had to say. 32 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 3: We're going to be very careful that decarbonization doesn't become 33 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 3: de industrialization. But these green hobbits are not going to 34 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 3: be permitted by New Zealand. First New Zealand to undermine 35 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 3: the existence of our industry. We have the ability to 36 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 3: achieve net net climate change positive outcomes. This notion that 37 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 3: you have to cut down every chimney stack and that 38 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 3: you have to close down industry to enjoy some green 39 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 3: nirvana when India, when are building coal fired power stations 40 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 3: every day, in my view, least bear the falsehoods of 41 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 3: the Green Party. But most importantly, I'm never going to 42 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 3: worship at the altar of climate change gods if you 43 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:14,519 Speaker 3: want God go to church. 44 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 2: So there you go, Jack. That's what Martua Shane had 45 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:20,519 Speaker 2: to say. And of course we're talking about the government's 46 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 2: newly released draft emissions reduction Plan and that they reaffirmed 47 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 2: when they released this their commitment to price emissions in 48 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 2: agricultural for the agricultural sector, should I say from twenty thirty, 49 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 2: so there's no free lunch there beyond twenty thirty some 50 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 2: of the tools shed and this is one of the 51 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 2: issues that farmers had Jack. They're saying, we want to 52 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 2: do it, we want to reduce our emissions, but give 53 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 2: us some tools to do it, and things like low methane, 54 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 2: sheep genetics, vaccines, you name it. All these things that 55 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 2: are coming onto the market. They're expecting some of these 56 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 2: new tools may be available to New Zealand pasture based 57 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 2: farmers from twenty seven, twenty eight and the other one. 58 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 2: And this is Shane's solution. He would just keep planting 59 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 2: trees till he got to a carbon neutral sort of situation. 60 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 2: The government's keen to partner with the private sector to 61 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 2: plant trees. This includes native forestation on crown land. Wonderful idea, 62 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 2: but the trouble with native forest Jack for anyone who's 63 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 2: tried to establish them. They're slow and they take a 64 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 2: lot of tender love and care as opposed to a 65 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,079 Speaker 2: dirty older or shouldn't say a dirty old an exotic 66 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 2: pine tree. You can plunk them in the ground and 67 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:32,519 Speaker 2: away they go. It's instant gratification. Natives aren't that easy, No. 68 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: They certainly not. Hey, thanks, Jamie, appreciated as ever. That 69 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: is Jamie Mackay, who is the host of the Country. 70 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 2: For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to 71 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 2: news talks the'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 72 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 2: the podcast on iHeartRadio.