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Speaker 1: the new Fairies by twenty twenty nine. What we got

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Speaker 1: They can take cars, do rail and people. They won't

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Speaker 1: Minister Winston Peters is with us. Very good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: Good morning.

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Speaker 1: A lot of questions this morning about the third ship.

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Speaker 1: Do are we not getting a third ship because we

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Speaker 2: The reality is we don't need one. We've got bigger, better, faster,

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Speaker 2: more mobile ships coming. The contract will be not two

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Speaker 2: years as usual getting ready will take only nine months

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Speaker 2: to do that. So everything's being speeded up and we've

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Speaker 2: got options between the ship builders. They don't know who

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Speaker 2: they are. There'll be a serious contest and we're very

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Speaker 2: confident of the outcome.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what they're going to be giving you

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Speaker 1: by way of a ship? Are you down that far

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Speaker 2: They'll be given all specifications and now let them meet

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Speaker 2: those specifications in their tender.

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Speaker 1: Okay, how confident on a scale of one to ten,

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Speaker 2: Well, we're seriously confident about that because we've talked to

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Speaker 2: than this three hundred million. They understand they want to

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Speaker 2: this what you do as a tough trader and ensure

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Speaker 2: forward that what we're going to have is what this

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Speaker 2: country needs. In fact, Mike UK massivating the dog and

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Speaker 2: hop on there and get to the South Island just

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Speaker 2: like we used to do.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so the Koreans, are they favored because there's some

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Speaker 2: The latter, everyone will go on. Even Stevens have been

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Speaker 2: no preference. We've got a very experienced team in the

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Speaker 2: We were here at last December and put it together.

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Speaker 2: Take out the Christmas from two months flat. We've done it.

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Speaker 1: What did you give us yesterday that Willis couldn't have

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Speaker 2: Well, the problem was she was here is a nightmare

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Speaker 2: and then you can sell them. Now you're selling on

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Speaker 2: When we looked at all the options, the one that

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Speaker 2: on with the traditional rail on rode on, the kind

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Speaker 2: Well, because look when you start off with a project

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Speaker 2: It's a nightmare four Minister Finance. She's trying to get

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Speaker 2: So she's been absolutely, in my view, vindicated, and she

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Speaker 2: what they did last December. So she'd made two wise

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Speaker 1: Why are you wading into the Benjamin Doyle thing.

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Speaker 2: Because it is simply outrageous, it's disgusting, and nobody in

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Speaker 2: the mainstream media was asking any questions. All you've seen

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Speaker 2: other members of Parliament with a post, just one post

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Speaker 2: And here's this outrageous, disgusting sort of online stuff going

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Speaker 2: they're trying to say that it's just picking on Rainburg people. No,

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Speaker 2: mister Peters, keep going, this is not us.

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Speaker 1: Well, what should happen?

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Speaker 2: Well, my question is why haven't the man treat people?

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Speaker 1: You see here's well, look, let me answer on behalf

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Speaker 1: And I just don't know that fringe nutters is a

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Speaker 2: Did I tell you why? Because this country is a

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Speaker 2: great democracy was begun in eighteen fifty four, we got

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Speaker 2: and we have some fundamental Western principles and ethics. That's

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Speaker 2: what I'm standing out for. If you think they're a

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Speaker 2: Walking into Parliament with all sorts of heat barbs on

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Speaker 2: I get it, and I hear it.

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Speaker 1: But Winston Tamotha Paul, the people of Central Wellington, Wellington

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Speaker 1: Central looked at her and they said we love it,

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Speaker 1: we want more of it, and she got a majority

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Speaker 2: You can't go's democracy, but you can make sure that

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Speaker 2: in a democracy the people know what they're in for.

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Speaker 2: She won't win an a seat next time. I'm telling

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Speaker 2: you now, not with Corori and all the other three

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Speaker 2: When you say that you'd be far you feel far

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Speaker 2: This is disgusting.

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Speaker 1: But ultimately on Doyle, what should happen? I mean should

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Speaker 1: out So where does it go? Does it go to

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Speaker 1: the police? Well, I mean what do you do the

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Speaker 1: guys a List member and a Green Party they're unusual

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Speaker 1: They are what they are.

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Speaker 2: No, Look, we've got elements of the system. One rule

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Speaker 2: another one. You got to party Mayra and Nair's broke

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Speaker 2: every electoral rule there is broken. The charities acting agains,

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Speaker 2: cases which are I was totally innocent. I proved and

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Speaker 2: We have got We've got a massive failure. It's simous

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Speaker 2: by your not the failure, but it'simmis by your program.

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Speaker 2: You hear both sides of the story, but the mainstream media,

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Speaker 2: I just want to hear one side of the story,

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Speaker 2: and that's the lift.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate your time. When Simpleters rayal minister and commentator on

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