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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Resident Builder Podcast with Peterwolfcamp from

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Speaker 1: Newstalks EDB Measure twice god once, but maybe call Pete first,

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Speaker 1: Feedawolfcamp the Resident Builder News Talks.

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Speaker 2: EDB your News Talks. He'd be a very very good

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Speaker 2: morning and welcome along to the show. It is the

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Speaker 2: twentieth of July. Gosh, time takes along and we are

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Speaker 2: going to be talking all things building and construction, looking

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Speaker 2: forward to your company, looking forward to your calls most particularly.

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Speaker 2: That number is eight hundred eighty ten eighty. That is

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Speaker 2: the number to call, and we're ready to go. Basically

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Speaker 2: you can see there's no music. We're just straight into

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Speaker 2: it today. A couple of technical things that we got

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Speaker 2: to set out. Don't worry. You can call. We can talk.

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Speaker 2: Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 2: You can text as well. It's nine to nine two

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Speaker 2: or zbzb from your mobile phone. And once I've worked

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Speaker 2: out my email, you can email me. It's Pete Atnewstalk

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Speaker 2: SB dot co dot nz about talking and so on.

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Speaker 2: That's pretty much been my week, to be fair, So

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Speaker 2: a couple of days at build end Z, so that's

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Speaker 2: sort of a week bookmarked by some actual physical activity

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Speaker 2: which I really really enjoyed, fixing some ballisters, doing some

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Speaker 2: work on sort of restoring some old ballisters. Monday, Tuesday

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Speaker 2: Wednesday two days of full on talking and hopefully a

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Speaker 2: fair amount of listening as well at Building Z. Building

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Speaker 2: Z's an interesting sort of trade focused construction event. Lots

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Speaker 2: of seminars, so presentations about adaptive reuse, presentations about the

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Speaker 2: future of housing summit which was quite enlightening, some conversations

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Speaker 2: with architects, engineers, architectural designers. Lots of trade stands there,

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Speaker 2: conversations and kind of interesting to try and get a

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Speaker 2: gauge on you know, where people are at. If you're

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Speaker 2: there selling your wares. Let's say you've got building products,

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Speaker 2: whether that's tools, systems, equipment, or actual physical products that

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Speaker 2: can be cladding, flooring, lining materials, framing materials, roofing materials,

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Speaker 2: the whole lot. You know, how are you going? Basically,

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Speaker 2: is there a lot's happening? Is there not a lot happening?

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Speaker 2: Is there not a lot happening to the point that

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Speaker 2: you're worried about what's going to happen next week. Are

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Speaker 2: you worried about what's happening next month? Do you have

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Speaker 2: enough work to get through to the end of the year,

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Speaker 2: And you'd have to say, to be try and put

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Speaker 2: a nutshell type summary is to go. It's actually quite patchy.

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Speaker 2: Some people are doing okay without being great. Other people

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Speaker 2: are not great, but not necessarily the end of the

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Speaker 2: doing hydro vacking and so on went into receivership. I

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Speaker 2: presume more liquidation with the loss of work for one

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Speaker 2: looking for builders, I'm looking for tradespeople. An interesting little

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Speaker 2: number that popped out the other day, and we're going

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Speaker 2: to talk to Matt Dooda, who is essentially director of

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Speaker 2: the company that did this research on kind of it's

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Speaker 2: let's say twelve to twenty four months ago. That's a

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Speaker 2: to join us after eight o'clock today is also painting Sunday,

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Speaker 2: So our painting expert, Jay Sharples from Razine is going

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Speaker 2: to join us at about seven twenty five. So we

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Speaker 2: will take your text questions anything related to painting preparation,

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Speaker 2: product selection, combinations, painting systems. You know which product goes

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Speaker 2: with which. So a lot of our painting systems, now

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Speaker 2: there's a build up. You use this verse, then you

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Speaker 2: So what's that process? Where do you go to get

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Speaker 2: the advice? Well, you can listen in here at NEWSTALKSB

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Speaker 2: and we will we'll get that underway. So eight hundred

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Speaker 2: with some people using some triboard a little bit later

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Speaker 2: I was in Blenham yesterday actually Home and Garden Show.

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Speaker 2: It's on at the Marlborough Lines two thousand stadium, right

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Speaker 2: in the heart of Blenham, not far from the little

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Speaker 2: Was that Herban olive? I think it was delightful. So

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Speaker 2: flew down in New Zealand to Blenham. Presented on basically

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Speaker 2: changes are being made, what can build the seventy square meters,

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Speaker 2: a new presentation. It's about forty five minutes or so.

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Speaker 2: So I sit down and each year I change it.

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Speaker 2: And this year I thought, what I'll do is I'll

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Speaker 2: the installation's standards remain the same. So we're talking about that,

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Speaker 2: So there's plenty to talk about this morning, as there

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Speaker 2: always is. Let's get amongst it. Oh eight hundred and

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Speaker 2: looking forward to your calls, your conversation. Give us a call.

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Speaker 2: Fourteen minutes after six. You're with Pete wolf Camp here

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Speaker 2: at Newstalk SB. Lines are open.

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Speaker 1: Viewing of the house, extorting the garden. Asked Pete for

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Speaker 1: a hand the resident builder with Peter Wolfcamp call, oh,

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Speaker 1: eight hundred newstalks edb.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, you're with News Talk SB, looking forward to your calls,

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Speaker 2: your conversation. Let's get things underway. Can you just check

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Speaker 2: that that's my coming out on your side of it? Okay, Sorry,

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Speaker 2: thought maybe I'm not on here, but I am I

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Speaker 2: thinking Doug. Great things to you, sir, good A Doug.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you've just got a sectional garage store a

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Speaker 3: ceedar one, yep, and it's you get the wind, you know,

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Speaker 4: Back of the door.

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Speaker 3: Yes, the actual cedar tongue groove itself has actually cut

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Speaker 3: through the back.

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Speaker 4: Of the door.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 3: Have you ever had to fix something like that?

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Speaker 2: The real challenge, and this is for cedar in general, right,

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Speaker 2: So you know, if we're talking like vertical lap, if

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Speaker 2: done lots of cedar. I really really enjoy working with it.

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Speaker 2: But you've really got to keep up with the maintenance schedule.

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Speaker 2: And what tends to happen is people don't and so

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Speaker 2: the boards can cup and then they can dry out,

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Speaker 2: and in your case, they're cupping and then they're pulling apart,

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Speaker 2: and that tongue and groove is no longer preventing the

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Speaker 2: of stretching it out flatnag it out, getting it to

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Speaker 3: So it's got the channels to where the sections meet.

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Speaker 3: That's actually got a channel, right, not a square you know,

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Speaker 3: like now they have a square box section where they

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Speaker 3: fictions meet on the tugging groove on the sictions.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 3: Yep, this one's actually got a channel. So it's actually

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Speaker 3: then the rest of the bracing itself is timber.

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Speaker 2: Right, So the individual bits of tongue and groove on

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Speaker 2: a piece of timber that's then tacked onto the metal frame?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, you're all a bracing, you know, like the yeah,

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Speaker 3: sure from the verticals or timber.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I think that your chances of sort of repairing

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Speaker 2: tongue and groove join are probably not that easy to do.

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Speaker 2: Whereas but if it is a reasonably standard tongue groove size,

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Speaker 2: so it's you know, it might be you know, it

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Speaker 2: might be something like ninety by twelve or ninety by fifteen.

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Speaker 2: You might be able to find some of that the

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Speaker 2: worst of it where it's come apart and there's a gap.

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Speaker 2: You could cut those out and try and replace them

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Speaker 2: with new boards and then coat the whole thing so

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Speaker 2: it blends in. But you know, sometimes with this you

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Speaker 2: kind of have to just go look, you know, we

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Speaker 2: haven't that someone hasn't looked after it. It's kind of

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Speaker 2: but you know, rather than throw out the whole frame,

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Speaker 2: you might be able to find someone who'll come and

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Speaker 2: strip all of the seedar off and simply redo the

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Speaker 2: putting cedar on it. Take the seedar off, put new

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Speaker 2: seedar on, and then you know, stay up schedule and

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Speaker 2: you should be fine.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because I thought at the start, I thought, right,

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Speaker 3: if I get some you know, something like a flicksy

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Speaker 3: the tongue and grew steal all that, you know, like

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Speaker 3: you won't sit from the outside.

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Speaker 2: But like, if you wanted to make it a do

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Speaker 2: a repair that makes it weather tight, what you could

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Speaker 3: Can get Yeah, it's I think it's most of the moment.

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Speaker 2: Ah, Okay. Even still, if if, for example, you wanted

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Speaker 2: if you can see the back of the tongue grew

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Speaker 2: with a you know, like a neat stainless steel screw,

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Speaker 2: go through and do a line of screws. Right, that

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Speaker 2: it won't be a perfect solution, but it might make

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Speaker 2: tongue groove which is starting to move by bonding it

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Speaker 2: or seal those with the waterproof ceilant. You know that's

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Speaker 2: it might not look that pretty, but it might stop

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Speaker 2: the water coming in. But it sounds like you may

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Speaker 2: well want to look at having someone come through striple

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Speaker 2: of the tnng off and replace it.

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Speaker 3: I did put outside the square. I did talk to

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Speaker 3: a boat order. Yep, he said, the hemp.

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Speaker 2: Hemp.

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Speaker 3: So the hemp cord. You know the hemp that plumbers use.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, it's like a cord.

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Speaker 3: So you could just wind that up from on the

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Speaker 2: I'm only laughing because that that that's the perfect solution

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Speaker 2: from a boat builder, isn't it. It's like going back

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Speaker 2: a thousand years and you know, we're vikings on the

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Speaker 2: edge of the fjord and there's a gap in the boards,

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Speaker 2: and we're going to get some hemp, and we'll find

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Speaker 2: his idea at the stage. Anything you do, you know,

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Speaker 2: you know, I don't think you're going to find a

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Speaker 2: I do like the boat solution though, that that's great.

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Speaker 3: Once you oil it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it'll all come to.

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Speaker 3: It'll stay there. But yeah, won't you know.

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Speaker 2: I love the inventiveness of it. But whether or not

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Speaker 2: I would probably look at replacing the boards. Got to

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Speaker 2: run nice, nice conversation, all of us, Doug, you take

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Speaker 2: care bye. By then, fossicking around under the house some

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Speaker 2: years ago, you know, I don't whatever replacing insulation, patching

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Speaker 2: up squeaky floorboards. I found a tool heavily rusted, like

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Speaker 2: proper name for it, and if you're a boat builder,

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Speaker 2: please text me and I and anyway I found it.

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Speaker 2: I put it in some Russ converter to hold on

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Speaker 2: to it, and yeah, but it was there unneath the

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Speaker 2: how they lost it under my place, but anyway, I've

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Speaker 2: Sandy greetings to you. Oh Hello Pete, Hello Sandy.

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Speaker 5: Oh, Yes, who do I employ in Wellington that would

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Speaker 5: guarantee water wouldn't get in my house after they replaced

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Speaker 5: the board on the outside of my house because my

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Speaker 5: tenants lounge, and I just I'm never getting water in

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Speaker 5: mine over my board. It's old nineteen seventies hardy plank.

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Speaker 5: But the house opposite they had to replace a whole

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Speaker 5: entire wall because water got on behind these it's these

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Speaker 5: I don't know why. And the whole war went. The

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Speaker 5: shower fell through the floor, and the builder was the

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Speaker 5: builder I spoke to. He said, even the joyce went

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Speaker 5: And I said, how did the war to get in

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Speaker 5: and he said behind the wood. And I think, well,

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Speaker 5: my woods twisted and warped, and I'm not getting water

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Speaker 5: the same. And I think because he had his board replaced,

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Speaker 5: it twisted and pulling off the hardy plank, and he

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Speaker 5: sealed it himself. And he showed me this wonderful stealant

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Speaker 5: from Bunnings. And the water is still pouring in because

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Speaker 5: the tenant told me we've had all this rain. We've

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Speaker 5: got all water back in their lounge. And I thought,

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Speaker 5: I asked this builder that did the beautiful job next door,

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Speaker 5: could he please do my board so water didn't get in,

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Speaker 5: And he said, it's too small a job, right, And

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Speaker 5: I thought, I don't want to risk doing it myself

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Speaker 5: like my neighbor did.

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Speaker 2: Sandy. Surely, you know, while there might be an issue

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Speaker 2: with a neighbor, and that then gives you concern that

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Speaker 2: you might be next. Let's say the fact that your

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Speaker 2: place is not leaking, why not just go it's not

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Speaker 2: and which case, you know, look, it's quite possible at

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Speaker 2: the time that they were constructed that you know, the

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Speaker 2: builders that built the adjoining properties are not the same

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Speaker 2: builder that built your place, the person that built your

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Speaker 2: place or worked on yours, or did the cladding, knew

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Speaker 2: what they were doing, did all the flashings correctly, the

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Speaker 2: lapse correctly, put the right building wraps on, and so

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Speaker 2: on and so forth, and so yours will be fine

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Speaker 2: where the others might have failed. My feeling would be,

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Speaker 2: until there's a problem, leave it alone, you know, and look,

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Speaker 2: possibly you want to engage with a suitably qualified builder

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Speaker 2: or better still, a building surveyor to come in and

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Speaker 2: do a quick assessment, someone to come and do a

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Speaker 2: moisture reading, so you might be able to get someone

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Speaker 2: to do moisture testing internally to see if there's elevated reading,

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Speaker 2: see evidence of a leak before it becomes obvious. That

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Speaker 2: might give you some surety. But my inclination would be

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Speaker 2: if it ain't broke, don't fix it kind of thing.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Sandy for you call radio Paul. Good morning to you.

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Speaker 6: Oh, good morning, Paul, very well, how can I help it?

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Speaker 7: Good?

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Speaker 6: Good, good, Look, I'm ringing on behalf of my son

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Speaker 6: in law and daughter just put an offering on a

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Speaker 6: property here in christ Church and they've had a building

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Speaker 6: report done. The buildings are four years old and it's

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Speaker 6: a builder's own property. Yep. Now the building report has

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Speaker 6: shown in the above the garage or actually from the garage,

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Speaker 6: that's a mono pitch roof and they've got they've cut

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Speaker 6: the trusses out to get a heat path in the

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Speaker 6: get now the vertical it's a mono pitch roof. It's

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Speaker 6: about twelve hundred high where it connects on to the

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Speaker 6: other part of the building there and so the web

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Speaker 6: the webbing they've cut out on two trusses coming down.

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Speaker 6: They've left the sort of arms down or yea, and

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Speaker 6: they've cut them down four hundred So then at about

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Speaker 6: eight or nine hundred that's that would have gone down

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Speaker 6: to the bottom of the trust. Yes, there was nothing

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Speaker 6: supporting them, and the big heat pump was sittinging on

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Speaker 6: the top.

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Speaker 2: Of the bottom core cord of the trust.

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Speaker 4: Yes.

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Speaker 8: Ye Now.

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Speaker 6: They brought this up to the building's he said, yep, no,

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Speaker 6: will fix that though, Proba. He sent them through some

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Speaker 6: photos he's done, and he sent them a memorandum form

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Speaker 6: License Building Practitioner Form eighty that that the repair cut

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Speaker 6: webbing with new supports has been carried out. My understanding

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Speaker 6: is that that would have had to be sort of

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Speaker 6: the trust manufacturer would have had to design whatever the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I see where you're going.

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Speaker 6: He's just run through a couple of beams through to

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Speaker 6: the other trusts. So he's got the trust. Ye, he's

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Speaker 6: got eighteen hundred through to the next one. He's run

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Speaker 6: a couple of bits of six for two underneath the

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Speaker 6: webs and just nailed them into the other cords of

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Speaker 6: the trustes that were using down. Yeah, Now, as would

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Speaker 6: that be satisfactory?

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Speaker 2: I get where you're coming from. What you want is

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Speaker 2: some evidence that this is going to take up for

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Speaker 2: the fact that one of those struts has been removed

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Speaker 2: from the trusts, right, yes, yes, And you're right in

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Speaker 2: being cautious about the fact that just because asn't that

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Speaker 2: I appreciate if he's issuing a record of work. He's

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Speaker 2: he's assigned his name to it. Right, so he's stating

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Speaker 2: that it now complies. What you could do is usk

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Speaker 2: for some evidence of calculation as to how this does comply, right,

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Speaker 2: And that would be the simplest way is just to

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Speaker 2: go back. Thank you very much for the record of work.

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Speaker 2: Can you provide me with some calculation as to how

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Speaker 2: this remediation was determined? So, because look, it does happen

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Speaker 2: from time to time in terms of you know, you

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Speaker 2: need to get some services in and you need to

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Speaker 2: cut through a brace. It's not ideal, and you're right.

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Speaker 2: You should then figure out, well, how what am I

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Speaker 2: going to do to replace what I've just cut out?

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Speaker 2: In a sense, and typically you'll go back to the

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Speaker 2: trust manufacturer, and given that the house is only four

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Speaker 2: years old, all of the records will still be there,

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Speaker 2: and the trust manufacturer will say they'll be able to

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Speaker 2: do some calculations, what's the load on there, what's the

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Speaker 2: bracing element, or what's the structural part of that part

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Speaker 2: of a trust and here, and in some cases it's

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Speaker 2: gustting apply on either end of it. That's a common solution,

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Speaker 2: or in this case possibly the trust manufacturers said, look,

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Speaker 2: if you flitch a one fifty fifty adjacent to this,

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Speaker 2: and you fix it off at screws at this many centers,

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Speaker 2: and you make sure that you incorporate this part of

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Speaker 2: the web and so on, that will take up for

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Speaker 2: what you've lost, right, but then there will be a

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Speaker 2: bit of evidence.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 2: I've had a discussion of the trust manufacturer. The detailer

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Speaker 2: has told me to do this rather than where your

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Speaker 2: cautious is. The builder the LBP has said, I've done

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Speaker 2: this and it'll be okay, And you're kind of going,

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Speaker 2: I'd like a little bit of proof, So I would

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Speaker 2: just go back and say, can you provide me with

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Speaker 2: some evidence as to why this.

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Speaker 6: Will work well, because it's actually it's for further down

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Speaker 6: the track too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, to the house.

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Speaker 6: They go to show the house, and then then this

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Speaker 2: Just want to add this and remember that as a

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Speaker 2: of work for that, effectively they're responsible for ten years, right,

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Speaker 2: and they can stop trading, they can do all sorts

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Speaker 2: of things, but they're still going to be personally responsible

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Speaker 2: because LBPS, like I am, we are we're personally registered.

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Speaker 2: We don't register our company, so it's it's it's us

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Speaker 4: Yeah, A.

430
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Speaker 2: Good luck with that should be pretty straightforward. Okay, thank you,

431
00:24:35,575 --> 00:24:39,575
Speaker 2: take care and good to hear pre purchase inspectures. Actually

432
00:24:39,735 --> 00:24:45,135
Speaker 2: poking up on something like that, you do get the

433
00:24:45,175 --> 00:24:48,015
Speaker 2: feeling that this is something that might need to be

434
00:24:48,095 --> 00:24:52,055
Speaker 2: looked at in terms of the level of professionalism or

435
00:24:52,135 --> 00:24:57,415
Speaker 2: the qualifications for people undertaking these sorts of pre purchase inspections.

436
00:24:58,055 --> 00:25:02,375
Speaker 2: Lots of really good people, to be blunt, I've been

437
00:25:02,655 --> 00:25:05,415
Speaker 2: to houses where there's been a problem where they've had

438
00:25:05,455 --> 00:25:08,935
Speaker 2: a pre purchase and inspection and what would seem really

439
00:25:09,095 --> 00:25:13,695
Speaker 2: obvious faults haven't been picked up at all. In fact,

440
00:25:13,735 --> 00:25:15,775
Speaker 2: that that story that we talked about last week where

441
00:25:16,775 --> 00:25:19,695
Speaker 2: a new owner of a property has been awarded by

442
00:25:19,775 --> 00:25:24,455
Speaker 2: the courts five hundred thousand dollars compensation or damages. Whether

443
00:25:24,535 --> 00:25:26,575
Speaker 2: or not they get a cent of that remains to

444
00:25:26,655 --> 00:25:30,135
Speaker 2: be seen. But this was a purchase over the last

445
00:25:30,175 --> 00:25:32,615
Speaker 2: couple of years of a building that had some significant

446
00:25:32,655 --> 00:25:35,855
Speaker 2: weather titness defects, and there was either an out of

447
00:25:35,935 --> 00:25:38,335
Speaker 2: court or a settlement with the pre purchase company for

448
00:25:38,415 --> 00:25:42,775
Speaker 2: some seventy five thousand dollars in compensation. So in that

449
00:25:42,895 --> 00:25:45,335
Speaker 2: instance they must have found a firm that had either

450
00:25:45,455 --> 00:25:48,895
Speaker 2: insurance or the funds to actually pay out on that,

451
00:25:48,975 --> 00:25:51,535
Speaker 2: which is reassuring, not reassuring that they didn't pick it

452
00:25:51,615 --> 00:25:53,775
Speaker 2: in the first place, but at least you went with

453
00:25:53,855 --> 00:25:56,335
Speaker 2: a firm that could pay out if they needed to.

454
00:25:56,735 --> 00:25:58,535
Speaker 2: We're going to take short rate break. We will be

455
00:25:58,615 --> 00:26:01,415
Speaker 2: back with more of your calls and just a moment

456
00:26:01,495 --> 00:26:04,055
Speaker 2: if you'd like to call us. Eight hundred eighty ten

457
00:26:04,255 --> 00:26:05,415
Speaker 2: eighty is the number.

458
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Speaker 1: Call or Petie the ceiling, fixing the fens, or wondering

459
00:26:08,855 --> 00:26:10,935
Speaker 1: how to fix that hole in the wall. Give Peter

460
00:26:11,015 --> 00:26:15,575
Speaker 1: wolf Gabber call on eighty the resident builder on Youth

461
00:26:15,655 --> 00:26:17,815
Speaker 1: Dogs b righty.

462
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Speaker 2: Own Newstalks hid B six thirty eight here Newstalks. Heb

463
00:26:22,735 --> 00:26:25,895
Speaker 2: probably at your place too, Pete Revive and New Plumouth

464
00:26:25,935 --> 00:26:28,135
Speaker 2: have some of those cedar door panels in stock, so

465
00:26:28,255 --> 00:26:31,775
Speaker 2: your caller, being dug could just get the seeder off.

466
00:26:31,855 --> 00:26:34,295
Speaker 2: Just pulled off some of those panels myself. Cheers from Peter,

467
00:26:34,455 --> 00:26:37,375
Speaker 2: Thank you very much for that. Chris who asked a

468
00:26:37,455 --> 00:26:40,975
Speaker 2: question of last week about action. It was about pre

469
00:26:41,095 --> 00:26:45,055
Speaker 2: purchased inspections and healthy homes assessments and some sort of

470
00:26:45,135 --> 00:26:48,735
Speaker 2: qualification he was walking the dog couldn't answer. Now he's

471
00:26:48,775 --> 00:26:50,295
Speaker 2: just said, sorry, I have an answered, but I still

472
00:26:50,295 --> 00:26:51,735
Speaker 2: don't have an answer from you, Chris. So if you

473
00:26:51,775 --> 00:26:55,375
Speaker 2: remember we did that course. If someone's done a course

474
00:26:55,575 --> 00:27:00,135
Speaker 2: on becoming a healthy homes assessor, some sort of proper

475
00:27:00,335 --> 00:27:02,455
Speaker 2: nz QA type course, let me know because I'm keen

476
00:27:02,535 --> 00:27:04,255
Speaker 2: to do a little bit of training in that space.

477
00:27:04,855 --> 00:27:08,535
Speaker 2: And Peter from the Torah, this is that magnificent fairy

478
00:27:08,895 --> 00:27:12,055
Speaker 2: that's being restored. It's a back project, Crik, it's a

479
00:27:12,095 --> 00:27:15,335
Speaker 2: big project. Corking irons come and all sorts of sizes

480
00:27:15,375 --> 00:27:17,215
Speaker 2: and checks. Well, that's what I've discovered from the old

481
00:27:17,255 --> 00:27:20,775
Speaker 2: one that I found underneath the house, barely recognizable to

482
00:27:20,855 --> 00:27:22,855
Speaker 2: be fair as a cooking iron. There's so much corrosion

483
00:27:22,895 --> 00:27:25,415
Speaker 2: on it now, but I kind of like it. Oh

484
00:27:25,455 --> 00:27:27,535
Speaker 2: eight hundred eighty ten eighty the number to call Ken

485
00:27:27,575 --> 00:27:31,215
Speaker 2: good morning, Hello.

486
00:27:31,295 --> 00:27:36,655
Speaker 8: Thanks for taking my call, pleasure. We're an Auckland. Yes,

487
00:27:36,815 --> 00:27:41,135
Speaker 8: we've got a rental with a four mica bench top. Yes,

488
00:27:42,335 --> 00:27:45,895
Speaker 8: and they've burnt a whole with a cigarette. So who

489
00:27:47,015 --> 00:27:50,655
Speaker 8: to repair and resurface that bench top?

490
00:27:51,095 --> 00:27:51,255
Speaker 9: Right?

491
00:27:51,495 --> 00:27:56,495
Speaker 2: I would probably go to bench doctors. So they are

492
00:27:56,695 --> 00:28:00,815
Speaker 2: all around the country. I have used them in Auckland

493
00:28:01,455 --> 00:28:05,335
Speaker 2: for Shiver's what job was it? It might have been

494
00:28:05,375 --> 00:28:08,895
Speaker 2: a four mica one. It I'd start there anyway, So

495
00:28:09,175 --> 00:28:11,775
Speaker 2: just have a look online bench doctors. They're around the country.

496
00:28:11,935 --> 00:28:13,935
Speaker 2: You'll find someone. They'll give you a bit of advice.

497
00:28:14,895 --> 00:28:17,455
Speaker 2: The other option is that you go to someone like

498
00:28:17,615 --> 00:28:21,815
Speaker 2: euro Design Tops who do four mica tops in laminate tops,

499
00:28:21,855 --> 00:28:24,615
Speaker 2: and see if they've got someone that they would recommend.

500
00:28:24,775 --> 00:28:29,535
Speaker 2: So they're based in they're on the shore, so euro

501
00:28:29,735 --> 00:28:33,335
Speaker 2: Design Tops are really good. Either of those two should

502
00:28:33,335 --> 00:28:35,495
Speaker 2: get you on the trail to finding someone who might

503
00:28:35,655 --> 00:28:37,975
Speaker 2: be able to repair it. And I guess look, worst

504
00:28:38,015 --> 00:28:41,815
Speaker 2: case scenario is it's permanent damage and you run it

505
00:28:41,895 --> 00:28:43,375
Speaker 2: through your insurance, wouldn't.

506
00:28:43,015 --> 00:28:47,055
Speaker 8: You, Yeah, well it is ensured, but it's only a

507
00:28:47,135 --> 00:28:50,775
Speaker 8: small boot. You're just wondering if they could repair it.

508
00:28:51,295 --> 00:28:55,215
Speaker 8: Can they resurface it with a clear the top.

509
00:28:56,335 --> 00:28:59,375
Speaker 2: Funny we had a call about that couple of weeks ago.

510
00:28:59,495 --> 00:29:01,775
Speaker 2: Someone said, look, I've got an older four micer bench top.

511
00:29:01,815 --> 00:29:04,095
Speaker 2: You know around the edge of the sink, it's actually

512
00:29:04,295 --> 00:29:06,975
Speaker 2: you can see it's degraded, right, and it's sort of

513
00:29:07,135 --> 00:29:10,455
Speaker 2: worn through, and they tend to they expose that next

514
00:29:10,615 --> 00:29:14,215
Speaker 2: layer down, which is almost like a whitish color and

515
00:29:14,695 --> 00:29:16,735
Speaker 2: if you think about an older form like a bench top,

516
00:29:16,775 --> 00:29:20,415
Speaker 2: that's what they kind of look like. And again a

517
00:29:20,575 --> 00:29:23,335
Speaker 2: bunch of people text through to say try bench doctors

518
00:29:23,495 --> 00:29:26,295
Speaker 2: in the first instance, so yes, they may well be

519
00:29:26,335 --> 00:29:30,655
Speaker 2: able to do it. And I saw something. There's been

520
00:29:30,655 --> 00:29:33,135
Speaker 2: a couple of products over the years that are sort

521
00:29:33,175 --> 00:29:36,695
Speaker 2: of to rejuvenate older bench tops and so on. And

522
00:29:36,815 --> 00:29:39,335
Speaker 2: I saw one product that's being advertised at the moment.

523
00:29:39,495 --> 00:29:41,615
Speaker 2: I haven't had a chance to use it. I can't

524
00:29:41,615 --> 00:29:45,055
Speaker 2: even remember its name, that you could paint over, for example,

525
00:29:45,295 --> 00:29:50,175
Speaker 2: enameled bath tubs and over tiles as well. So I

526
00:29:50,215 --> 00:29:53,255
Speaker 2: suppose I've always sort of have a word of caution

527
00:29:53,495 --> 00:29:56,495
Speaker 2: is that in the end these things are coats over

528
00:29:56,575 --> 00:29:59,975
Speaker 2: the top of something, so they'll degrade at a certain stage,

529
00:30:00,015 --> 00:30:02,975
Speaker 2: but it might rejuvenate it for a little while.

530
00:30:04,335 --> 00:30:04,615
Speaker 4: Okay.

531
00:30:04,815 --> 00:30:08,535
Speaker 8: Second question is the winery on this house is getting

532
00:30:08,535 --> 00:30:11,335
Speaker 8: a bit dull. Is there anyone that would come round

533
00:30:11,455 --> 00:30:14,535
Speaker 8: and sort of rejuvenated.

534
00:30:14,935 --> 00:30:20,535
Speaker 2: Yep, interestingly enough, I like yesterday I wasn't Blenham at

535
00:30:20,575 --> 00:30:22,255
Speaker 2: the Home and Garden Show, which by the way, is

536
00:30:22,295 --> 00:30:25,335
Speaker 2: on again today, and I got down there a little

537
00:30:25,375 --> 00:30:27,255
Speaker 2: bit early. We had some breakfast, had a wander a

538
00:30:27,295 --> 00:30:29,815
Speaker 2: round chat to people for a while before I didn't presentation,

539
00:30:30,295 --> 00:30:32,175
Speaker 2: And one of the people I was talking to was

540
00:30:32,335 --> 00:30:37,775
Speaker 2: Richard who runs the local Nano Clear franchise there. Now

541
00:30:37,975 --> 00:30:39,615
Speaker 2: he's not going to come from Nelson to do it,

542
00:30:39,695 --> 00:30:41,495
Speaker 2: but there are guys in Auckland, so just have a

543
00:30:41,535 --> 00:30:46,935
Speaker 2: look for Nano clear clear yep, and someone else sort

544
00:30:46,975 --> 00:30:51,135
Speaker 2: you are my pleasure, enjoy your day, take care all

545
00:30:51,215 --> 00:30:53,495
Speaker 2: of us by I think, yeah, it was great actually

546
00:30:53,575 --> 00:30:56,735
Speaker 2: in chat with Richard from Nano Clear and yeah, and

547
00:30:57,335 --> 00:31:00,415
Speaker 2: I guess the advantage to being at these sorts of

548
00:31:00,455 --> 00:31:04,095
Speaker 2: shows is that he's got some examples of those extrusions. Right,

549
00:31:04,215 --> 00:31:07,015
Speaker 2: So here's a here's a piece of extrusion. We've coated

550
00:31:07,055 --> 00:31:08,455
Speaker 2: one end of it. This is what it looked like.

551
00:31:08,575 --> 00:31:10,975
Speaker 2: This is what we can do. So kind of helpful

552
00:31:11,175 --> 00:31:12,575
Speaker 2: and interesting.

553
00:31:12,815 --> 00:31:12,935
Speaker 10: You know.

554
00:31:12,975 --> 00:31:15,735
Speaker 2: I'm always at these sorts of events like buildings, kind

555
00:31:15,735 --> 00:31:18,615
Speaker 2: of circulating around chatting with people going you know, what's

556
00:31:18,655 --> 00:31:21,735
Speaker 2: it like out there? Do you have enough work? Have

557
00:31:21,855 --> 00:31:24,695
Speaker 2: you been able to keep all of your team engaged?

558
00:31:24,735 --> 00:31:28,095
Speaker 2: For example, plenty of people have had to let staff go.

559
00:31:28,335 --> 00:31:30,855
Speaker 2: And I was talking to actually a builder from who

560
00:31:30,935 --> 00:31:34,815
Speaker 2: does the high performance passive house ehouse type builds in

561
00:31:35,855 --> 00:31:38,975
Speaker 2: Nelson and Blenham and so on. And he's kept all

562
00:31:39,055 --> 00:31:42,815
Speaker 2: of his guys going. And there's a when you talk

563
00:31:42,855 --> 00:31:45,495
Speaker 2: to business owners who have got staff and this is

564
00:31:45,575 --> 00:31:49,015
Speaker 2: you know, small scale building firms, plumbing firms, electrical firms.

565
00:31:49,495 --> 00:31:51,495
Speaker 2: Often when you talk to the owner of the business

566
00:31:51,575 --> 00:31:53,775
Speaker 2: and they go, you know, like, it is tough, but

567
00:31:53,895 --> 00:31:57,135
Speaker 2: we've kept all of our team together. There's just a

568
00:31:57,415 --> 00:32:01,135
Speaker 2: tremendous sense of pride. People don't want to let their

569
00:32:01,335 --> 00:32:04,135
Speaker 2: team go. They don't want to let people go. And

570
00:32:04,215 --> 00:32:06,615
Speaker 2: if they manage to hang on, often by kind of

571
00:32:07,295 --> 00:32:09,855
Speaker 2: you know, dipping into their own pockets or maybe not

572
00:32:09,975 --> 00:32:11,975
Speaker 2: taking as much out of the business as they used to,

573
00:32:12,375 --> 00:32:15,495
Speaker 2: or potentially offsetting you know, some cap X and that

574
00:32:15,575 --> 00:32:17,535
Speaker 2: sort of thing to wait for a little while. But

575
00:32:17,695 --> 00:32:21,175
Speaker 2: that tremendous pride that you get from business owners who go, look,

576
00:32:21,255 --> 00:32:25,215
Speaker 2: it's tough, but I've kept everyone going. And I think

577
00:32:25,255 --> 00:32:28,095
Speaker 2: sometimes the narrative and the news about business owners is

578
00:32:28,175 --> 00:32:31,775
Speaker 2: it's all about you know, personal gain and greed. But

579
00:32:31,895 --> 00:32:35,495
Speaker 2: I think so many business owners put their lives on

580
00:32:35,615 --> 00:32:40,375
Speaker 2: hold to make sure that their staff, their employees keep working.

581
00:32:41,495 --> 00:32:45,655
Speaker 2: That's a sense that I get quarter to seven. Remember,

582
00:32:45,735 --> 00:32:48,615
Speaker 2: in the next hour we have Jay, our painting expert,

583
00:32:48,935 --> 00:32:52,175
Speaker 2: who is going to be available to take your answer

584
00:32:52,255 --> 00:32:58,935
Speaker 2: your text questions. So any specific painting questions, preparation, paint selection,

585
00:32:59,935 --> 00:33:03,695
Speaker 2: type of products, paint systems, all of these sorts of

586
00:33:03,735 --> 00:33:06,215
Speaker 2: things we can talk about that. Oh eight hundred eight.

587
00:33:06,775 --> 00:33:08,895
Speaker 2: We got time for a couple more calls before the news,

588
00:33:09,335 --> 00:33:17,055
Speaker 2: but ceda good morning to you. Good morning, Hello there, Beseda,

589
00:33:17,255 --> 00:33:23,415
Speaker 2: but sorry, I'm struggling with the name to be fair Hello, hello,

590
00:33:23,415 --> 00:33:25,695
Speaker 2: lord Er. I'll pop you back on hold, we'll take

591
00:33:25,735 --> 00:33:27,535
Speaker 2: short break, we'll get that sorted out, and we'll come back.

592
00:33:27,575 --> 00:33:29,615
Speaker 2: If you've got a question of a building nature, Oh

593
00:33:29,655 --> 00:33:32,775
Speaker 2: eight hundred eighty ten eighty. If the guy with the

594
00:33:32,855 --> 00:33:35,855
Speaker 2: form mica bench topper is in christ Church, we've successfully

595
00:33:36,335 --> 00:33:40,055
Speaker 2: used these guys. He's not he's an Auckland but esthetic repairs,

596
00:33:40,415 --> 00:33:42,975
Speaker 2: thank you very much. In the same way that like

597
00:33:43,095 --> 00:33:47,255
Speaker 2: acrylic bench tops, there's a guy called acrylic fix. I'm

598
00:33:47,335 --> 00:33:51,095
Speaker 2: pretty sure who or it might have been me, it

599
00:33:51,215 --> 00:33:53,775
Speaker 2: might have been someone else, but somebody took a chip

600
00:33:53,815 --> 00:33:56,535
Speaker 2: out of the acrylic bench top on a new build.

601
00:33:57,535 --> 00:34:00,375
Speaker 2: I've done the same with I don't know why I

602
00:34:00,455 --> 00:34:02,455
Speaker 2: was wearing my apron while I was fitting off the

603
00:34:02,535 --> 00:34:06,135
Speaker 2: overhead cabinets dropped. It was a chisel out of my

604
00:34:06,375 --> 00:34:11,015
Speaker 2: open onto a four micer bench top. You know, one

605
00:34:11,015 --> 00:34:12,735
Speaker 2: of those things. You're almost at the end of the job,

606
00:34:12,815 --> 00:34:16,975
Speaker 2: you're doing those last little bits and pieces and then ah,

607
00:34:17,415 --> 00:34:20,335
Speaker 2: things happen. Anyway, thank you very much for your texts

608
00:34:20,495 --> 00:34:22,335
Speaker 2: on these things. Right, We're gonna take short break back

609
00:34:22,335 --> 00:34:22,695
Speaker 2: in a moment.

610
00:34:23,455 --> 00:34:27,015
Speaker 1: Squeaky door or squeaky floor, get the right advice from

611
00:34:27,135 --> 00:34:30,615
Speaker 1: Peter Wolfcare, the resident builder on News Talk SEB.

612
00:34:31,495 --> 00:34:35,055
Speaker 2: Your News Talk s B Chris. Sorry, my apologies. There

613
00:34:35,175 --> 00:34:37,935
Speaker 2: is the details so principles of Home Performance course under

614
00:34:37,975 --> 00:34:42,935
Speaker 2: the Home Performance Advisor Training and Certification program by Community

615
00:34:43,055 --> 00:34:44,775
Speaker 2: Energy Network. Thank you very much for that. I'm going

616
00:34:44,815 --> 00:34:48,695
Speaker 2: to have a look around and if anyone else sees

617
00:34:48,895 --> 00:34:51,055
Speaker 2: something that is of it, I might do the home

618
00:34:51,135 --> 00:34:54,735
Speaker 2: fit course that should be that's through the New Zealand

619
00:34:54,735 --> 00:34:59,695
Speaker 2: Green Building Council. That might get some information there. Actually

620
00:34:59,775 --> 00:35:01,855
Speaker 2: at the I mentioned a little while agoes down at

621
00:35:01,895 --> 00:35:05,015
Speaker 2: Brands and we've interviewed a couple of people from Brands

622
00:35:05,015 --> 00:35:08,055
Speaker 2: over the years and they were the buildings as well

623
00:35:09,175 --> 00:35:13,975
Speaker 2: their chief executive and chief researcher Chris Lytton. They were

624
00:35:14,015 --> 00:35:17,175
Speaker 2: both presenting, and then the guys at the stand as well,

625
00:35:17,255 --> 00:35:21,535
Speaker 2: including their fire expert, which was towards the end. Was

626
00:35:21,575 --> 00:35:24,855
Speaker 2: it Tuesday Wednesday, So by Wednesday afternoon, you know, all

627
00:35:24,895 --> 00:35:26,935
Speaker 2: the serious punters have gone. But it was a great

628
00:35:26,975 --> 00:35:31,815
Speaker 2: opportunity just to hang out with them and talk or listens, actually,

629
00:35:31,935 --> 00:35:35,455
Speaker 2: on my part, listen to some experts talking about, you know,

630
00:35:35,575 --> 00:35:38,335
Speaker 2: the fine details of their fire testing or their cladding

631
00:35:38,415 --> 00:35:40,015
Speaker 2: testing and that sort of thing. So that was a

632
00:35:40,055 --> 00:35:42,895
Speaker 2: lot of fun, to be fair, but testa good morning.

633
00:35:44,695 --> 00:35:46,455
Speaker 2: Oh yes, gorning, how are you?

634
00:35:46,775 --> 00:35:47,575
Speaker 6: How can I help good?

635
00:35:49,215 --> 00:35:50,375
Speaker 11: I've got a quote for.

636
00:35:52,295 --> 00:35:53,095
Speaker 10: Double grazing.

637
00:35:53,255 --> 00:35:59,095
Speaker 12: Yes, And I was discussing this with my friend and

638
00:35:59,455 --> 00:36:05,215
Speaker 12: she said, do you realize but that they're designed to

639
00:36:05,415 --> 00:36:09,935
Speaker 12: keep the in and in summer time it makes your

640
00:36:10,015 --> 00:36:10,855
Speaker 12: room very hot?

641
00:36:11,695 --> 00:36:11,855
Speaker 2: Right?

642
00:36:13,775 --> 00:36:14,295
Speaker 10: Is that right?

643
00:36:15,895 --> 00:36:16,095
Speaker 13: Yes?

644
00:36:16,935 --> 00:36:20,695
Speaker 2: But with the greatest of respect to your friend, they

645
00:36:20,815 --> 00:36:23,535
Speaker 2: know a little bit about something, but not a lot

646
00:36:23,615 --> 00:36:27,455
Speaker 2: about everything. So yes, your friend is right, and what

647
00:36:27,575 --> 00:36:31,655
Speaker 2: it is is, you know, typically we think about making

648
00:36:31,735 --> 00:36:35,975
Speaker 2: our houses warmer by keeping the heat in, right, So

649
00:36:36,615 --> 00:36:40,855
Speaker 2: if in your instance, your property, depending on the orientation,

650
00:36:41,055 --> 00:36:43,735
Speaker 2: depending on the size of the jaw of the opening

651
00:36:43,815 --> 00:36:47,815
Speaker 2: the window itself, depending on where you might be in

652
00:36:47,895 --> 00:36:50,815
Speaker 2: the country you might be wanting to go, I need

653
00:36:50,935 --> 00:36:54,775
Speaker 2: to improve the performance of my house by keeping more

654
00:36:54,855 --> 00:36:58,215
Speaker 2: of that heat in, right, in which case, yes, double

655
00:36:58,255 --> 00:37:01,975
Speaker 2: glazing will perform very well for you because you want

656
00:37:02,055 --> 00:37:04,735
Speaker 2: to keep the house the house warm, in which case

657
00:37:04,855 --> 00:37:07,295
Speaker 2: you're getting what you want by putting double glazing in.

658
00:37:08,335 --> 00:37:10,655
Speaker 2: And she's right. You might also find that, in fact,

659
00:37:11,335 --> 00:37:14,455
Speaker 2: for more days of the year, you're more concerned about

660
00:37:14,575 --> 00:37:17,415
Speaker 2: keeping your house cool, in which case what you want

661
00:37:17,495 --> 00:37:21,095
Speaker 2: to do is keep the heat out. Double glazing will

662
00:37:21,175 --> 00:37:24,855
Speaker 2: do that as well. So it depends on what you

663
00:37:25,095 --> 00:37:27,695
Speaker 2: want from the double glazing as to what you're going

664
00:37:27,775 --> 00:37:30,015
Speaker 2: to get. So you've got to be really clear when

665
00:37:30,015 --> 00:37:32,055
Speaker 2: you're talking to the people who are coming to do

666
00:37:32,135 --> 00:37:35,415
Speaker 2: the quote, to explain what it is that you want

667
00:37:35,455 --> 00:37:40,015
Speaker 2: to achieve. So essentially low E glass, which is probably

668
00:37:40,135 --> 00:37:43,135
Speaker 2: something that they've put on to that quote. Bearing in mind,

669
00:37:43,215 --> 00:37:45,135
Speaker 2: I do quite a lot of work with Metro Performance

670
00:37:45,215 --> 00:37:49,095
Speaker 2: Glass who make double glazed units. Right, So these are

671
00:37:49,135 --> 00:37:51,415
Speaker 2: the sorts of discussions their reps will be having with

672
00:37:51,495 --> 00:37:53,575
Speaker 2: people all of the time. So the low e glass,

673
00:37:53,695 --> 00:37:58,335
Speaker 2: low emissivity glass is a way of reflecting back heat.

674
00:37:58,935 --> 00:38:01,855
Speaker 2: So if you want to keep your room warm, that

675
00:38:02,095 --> 00:38:05,495
Speaker 2: will be focused on reflecting heat back inside. If you're

676
00:38:05,535 --> 00:38:09,375
Speaker 2: in a situation where actually the room overheats, then you

677
00:38:09,495 --> 00:38:13,015
Speaker 2: will turn that around and focus it to the outside,

678
00:38:13,095 --> 00:38:16,975
Speaker 2: so you're resisting soul again. So it really just depends

679
00:38:17,015 --> 00:38:18,655
Speaker 2: on what it is that you want it to do.

680
00:38:19,855 --> 00:38:21,055
Speaker 12: How do you turn it around.

681
00:38:21,415 --> 00:38:24,895
Speaker 2: It's how you build the unit. So it's built into

682
00:38:24,975 --> 00:38:28,575
Speaker 2: the unit, right, depending on which side of which piece

683
00:38:28,655 --> 00:38:31,535
Speaker 2: of glass. And a double glazing so effectively there's four

684
00:38:31,695 --> 00:38:35,975
Speaker 2: sides to a double glazing unit. Right, there's the outside

685
00:38:36,495 --> 00:38:38,855
Speaker 2: and the outer coat of the outside, there's the inner

686
00:38:38,895 --> 00:38:41,255
Speaker 2: coat of the outside, then there's the outer coat of

687
00:38:41,335 --> 00:38:44,535
Speaker 2: the inside panel. Then there's the inside face of the

688
00:38:44,695 --> 00:38:48,255
Speaker 2: inside panel. You know, because essentially your double glazing is

689
00:38:48,295 --> 00:38:50,615
Speaker 2: going to be two layers of glass, which means you've

690
00:38:50,615 --> 00:38:53,735
Speaker 2: got four surfaces, and you can do things with all

691
00:38:53,855 --> 00:38:58,255
Speaker 2: of those different surfaces depending on what type of performance

692
00:38:58,335 --> 00:39:00,255
Speaker 2: you want out of your double glazing unit.

693
00:39:01,335 --> 00:39:04,055
Speaker 12: Yes, but you can't manually turn it around, no, no.

694
00:39:04,175 --> 00:39:06,455
Speaker 2: No, no, You've got to make a choice, right, So

695
00:39:07,055 --> 00:39:09,375
Speaker 2: you've got to look at that space and go, Actually,

696
00:39:09,535 --> 00:39:13,055
Speaker 2: what's most important to me for this particular piece of

697
00:39:13,175 --> 00:39:18,375
Speaker 2: joinery or this elevation is actually, it really gets stinking

698
00:39:18,495 --> 00:39:22,215
Speaker 2: hot here in summer. I want to reflect more heat.

699
00:39:22,335 --> 00:39:25,735
Speaker 2: But then you might find that in another elevation in

700
00:39:25,815 --> 00:39:29,015
Speaker 2: the same room, actually I don't get a lot of

701
00:39:29,055 --> 00:39:32,295
Speaker 2: direct sunlight through there, so that window can be focused

702
00:39:32,335 --> 00:39:35,495
Speaker 2: on keeping the warmth in. But just in this, you know,

703
00:39:35,495 --> 00:39:38,095
Speaker 2: if you've got a big piece of glass that faces

704
00:39:38,215 --> 00:39:40,735
Speaker 2: north and you're in a warm part of the country,

705
00:39:41,095 --> 00:39:44,655
Speaker 2: you'll go, Actually, what I really want is I overheat

706
00:39:44,975 --> 00:39:47,935
Speaker 2: for more days in summer than I do feel really

707
00:39:48,175 --> 00:39:52,055
Speaker 2: cold in winter. Now, the other fact is that even

708
00:39:52,095 --> 00:39:55,535
Speaker 2: if you've got a focus, let's say on controlling soul again,

709
00:39:56,415 --> 00:40:00,695
Speaker 2: controlling overheating in summer, it will still act because it's

710
00:40:00,775 --> 00:40:04,775
Speaker 2: double glazing to keep warmth in, but its focus will

711
00:40:04,815 --> 00:40:09,095
Speaker 2: be on keeping that soul the game reduced. Right, So

712
00:40:09,935 --> 00:40:12,415
Speaker 2: you've really when you're talking with the people who are

713
00:40:12,695 --> 00:40:16,815
Speaker 2: quoting or are going to be putting in that order,

714
00:40:16,975 --> 00:40:20,615
Speaker 2: you need to have those really nuanced discussions. This is

715
00:40:20,655 --> 00:40:23,215
Speaker 2: what I want this piece of glazing to do in

716
00:40:23,375 --> 00:40:26,695
Speaker 2: this circumstance for these reasons, and they might come back

717
00:40:26,735 --> 00:40:30,135
Speaker 2: and challenge you and say, well, look, you know, could

718
00:40:30,215 --> 00:40:33,775
Speaker 2: we do some shading for example, on the outside of

719
00:40:33,815 --> 00:40:38,535
Speaker 2: the building that will allow you to keep you know,

720
00:40:38,735 --> 00:40:41,055
Speaker 2: that will deal with soul again in summer because of

721
00:40:41,295 --> 00:40:43,335
Speaker 2: the height of the angle of the sun and summer.

722
00:40:43,415 --> 00:40:46,735
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of sort of science around this,

723
00:40:47,015 --> 00:40:50,655
Speaker 2: and it's worth spending the time to have a really good,

724
00:40:50,975 --> 00:40:56,495
Speaker 2: in depth discussion about these things. So sorry, we're going

725
00:40:56,575 --> 00:40:59,135
Speaker 2: to run into the news, so just hold fire. We

726
00:40:59,215 --> 00:41:00,655
Speaker 2: might actually come back and have a bit more of

727
00:41:00,655 --> 00:41:02,815
Speaker 2: a chat about this because there's a bit of detail

728
00:41:02,935 --> 00:41:04,615
Speaker 2: in all of this that we need to discuss. But

729
00:41:05,455 --> 00:41:09,695
Speaker 2: the effectiveness of double glazing is well, there's no question

730
00:41:09,815 --> 00:41:12,255
Speaker 2: it works. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty will talk after

731
00:41:12,335 --> 00:41:15,495
Speaker 2: the news, remember painting questions, send them through to nine

732
00:41:15,575 --> 00:41:17,095
Speaker 2: two nine two back after the news.

733
00:41:25,175 --> 00:41:29,055
Speaker 1: Helping you get those DIY projects done right. The Resident

734
00:41:29,135 --> 00:41:32,455
Speaker 1: Builder with Peter Wolfcat call oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

735
00:41:32,575 --> 00:41:36,455
Speaker 2: Youth TALKSB Variety O News Talks B eight hundred eighty

736
00:41:36,575 --> 00:41:39,375
Speaker 2: ten eighty. We're talking all things building and construction. So

737
00:41:39,535 --> 00:41:43,135
Speaker 2: just prior to the news. This is kind of the

738
00:41:43,215 --> 00:41:47,055
Speaker 2: classic situation, isn't it. So Pasita was interested in getting

739
00:41:47,095 --> 00:41:48,815
Speaker 2: some double blazing, and she had a chat with her

740
00:41:48,895 --> 00:41:51,095
Speaker 2: friend who said, yeah, but you're gonna remember if you're

741
00:41:51,095 --> 00:41:52,975
Speaker 2: going to get double blazing and it's going to keep,

742
00:41:53,175 --> 00:41:56,495
Speaker 2: it's going to make your room really warm, which might

743
00:41:56,575 --> 00:42:01,215
Speaker 2: be the point because it won't let the heat out,

744
00:42:01,295 --> 00:42:06,055
Speaker 2: so your room's going to get warmer. So yes, if so.

745
00:42:06,135 --> 00:42:09,255
Speaker 2: The discussion then went on to, well, in some cases,

746
00:42:09,335 --> 00:42:14,215
Speaker 2: you can use the double glazing to also reduce solar gain.

747
00:42:14,415 --> 00:42:15,415
Speaker 7: So if.

748
00:42:16,975 --> 00:42:20,135
Speaker 2: So, For example, in Auckland, if we say that the

749
00:42:20,335 --> 00:42:24,535
Speaker 2: optimum temperature for a house is twenty degrees, we probably

750
00:42:24,655 --> 00:42:27,855
Speaker 2: find that we spend more time trying to cool our

751
00:42:27,975 --> 00:42:31,055
Speaker 2: houses to get to twenty degrees than we do warming

752
00:42:31,135 --> 00:42:35,055
Speaker 2: them up to get up to twenty degrees, as opposed

753
00:42:35,095 --> 00:42:37,615
Speaker 2: to calling them to get back down to twenty degrees,

754
00:42:38,135 --> 00:42:41,255
Speaker 2: in which case you kind of want your performance in

755
00:42:41,295 --> 00:42:44,895
Speaker 2: the house to be focused on ventilation and cooling rather

756
00:42:45,055 --> 00:42:47,895
Speaker 2: than necessarily heating. But you can do both depending on

757
00:42:47,935 --> 00:42:55,535
Speaker 2: how you set it up. Your description is as clear

758
00:42:55,535 --> 00:42:57,935
Speaker 2: as mud. Thank you, John. We're talking about the double glazing,

759
00:42:58,015 --> 00:43:00,975
Speaker 2: so hang on let me just deal with this before

760
00:43:00,975 --> 00:43:03,135
Speaker 2: we go and talk to Roger. Your description is as

761
00:43:03,175 --> 00:43:05,775
Speaker 2: clear as mud. Thank you. Are you saying double glazing

762
00:43:05,815 --> 00:43:07,895
Speaker 2: on the south side and single on the north, No,

763
00:43:08,055 --> 00:43:12,015
Speaker 2: I'm not, John. What I'm saying is that, you know,

764
00:43:12,815 --> 00:43:16,495
Speaker 2: I suppose we've all grown up with glass, right, So

765
00:43:17,415 --> 00:43:19,735
Speaker 2: we all grew up in houses. Probably many of us

766
00:43:19,735 --> 00:43:22,175
Speaker 2: still do grow up in houses. I still actually live

767
00:43:22,215 --> 00:43:25,095
Speaker 2: in a house, which is pretty much it's all single glazed, right.

768
00:43:25,175 --> 00:43:29,135
Speaker 2: It's an old house, and so we grew up with glass,

769
00:43:29,615 --> 00:43:33,255
Speaker 2: and glass in old houses was two three millimeters thick.

770
00:43:33,695 --> 00:43:36,895
Speaker 2: Later on it got out to an extravagant four millimeters thick,

771
00:43:37,895 --> 00:43:41,215
Speaker 2: and that's what we had, right, and so it let

772
00:43:41,455 --> 00:43:46,095
Speaker 2: heat out, it let heat in, et cetera. And that's

773
00:43:46,175 --> 00:43:49,735
Speaker 2: what single glazing is. And it has a very low

774
00:43:50,175 --> 00:43:52,135
Speaker 2: R value, or in fact, the way you measure it

775
00:43:52,255 --> 00:43:55,655
Speaker 2: is a U value, where what you want is a

776
00:43:56,335 --> 00:43:59,375
Speaker 2: smaller number rather than the bigger number with a U value.

777
00:43:59,495 --> 00:44:02,415
Speaker 2: So if you're looking at insulation values for glass, it's

778
00:44:02,455 --> 00:44:04,935
Speaker 2: often described as a U value, which I know is

779
00:44:05,015 --> 00:44:07,895
Speaker 2: confusing as all get out, But either way, it doesn't

780
00:44:07,935 --> 00:44:10,135
Speaker 2: do a lot right. Single glazing doesn't do a lot

781
00:44:10,175 --> 00:44:13,215
Speaker 2: in terms of keeping heat in or if you're worried

782
00:44:13,215 --> 00:44:16,135
Speaker 2: about overheating, keeping heat out. So hence we've moved to

783
00:44:16,215 --> 00:44:20,135
Speaker 2: double glazing because that gap in between stops that transmission

784
00:44:20,175 --> 00:44:23,695
Speaker 2: of heat, and if you need to make your house warmer,

785
00:44:23,855 --> 00:44:27,415
Speaker 2: it'll work that way. But now with the new coatings,

786
00:44:27,455 --> 00:44:30,175
Speaker 2: with the low e and so on, you can then

787
00:44:30,455 --> 00:44:34,855
Speaker 2: orientate in which direction you want the heat to be resisted.

788
00:44:35,255 --> 00:44:38,175
Speaker 2: Let's say, so if you're worried about your house being cool,

789
00:44:38,575 --> 00:44:41,015
Speaker 2: you want to keep the heat in because you are

790
00:44:42,135 --> 00:44:45,015
Speaker 2: using energy to create heat inside the house by whatever

791
00:44:45,095 --> 00:44:47,015
Speaker 2: heat source, you want to keep that in as much

792
00:44:47,015 --> 00:44:51,935
Speaker 2: as possible. But if, for example, in a particular situation

793
00:44:52,255 --> 00:44:55,415
Speaker 2: or a climatic zone, in fact, your concern is that

794
00:44:55,695 --> 00:44:58,895
Speaker 2: my house gets or that room gets overheated, then you

795
00:44:58,975 --> 00:45:03,655
Speaker 2: can orientate your coatings and so on to focus on

796
00:45:04,295 --> 00:45:07,855
Speaker 2: controlling soul again, controlling over he heating. And that might

797
00:45:08,055 --> 00:45:10,415
Speaker 2: mean that in one part of the house you've got

798
00:45:10,495 --> 00:45:14,295
Speaker 2: double glazing facing a particular way, and in another part

799
00:45:14,375 --> 00:45:16,615
Speaker 2: of the house, maybe a bedroom that's on the south

800
00:45:16,695 --> 00:45:19,455
Speaker 2: side of the house, for example, where you're not concerned

801
00:45:19,455 --> 00:45:22,055
Speaker 2: about overheating, but you are concerned that it gets too

802
00:45:22,135 --> 00:45:24,135
Speaker 2: cold in that room overnight in the middle of winter.

803
00:45:24,615 --> 00:45:27,215
Speaker 2: Then you will focus your double glazing in a different

804
00:45:27,255 --> 00:45:30,175
Speaker 2: direction and you might find that in another part of

805
00:45:30,215 --> 00:45:33,175
Speaker 2: the house where, in fact, what I want my double

806
00:45:33,215 --> 00:45:36,895
Speaker 2: glazing to do most is acoustics. That you choose a

807
00:45:37,095 --> 00:45:39,735
Speaker 2: different build up for your double glazing unit in order

808
00:45:39,815 --> 00:45:43,655
Speaker 2: to achieve higher acoustic performance, because you can hear the

809
00:45:43,735 --> 00:45:45,975
Speaker 2: road noise, for example, or it's close to a neighbor.

810
00:45:46,175 --> 00:45:49,055
Speaker 2: So I suppose the point of the story is that

811
00:45:49,655 --> 00:45:52,935
Speaker 2: you need to be able to under describe what it

812
00:45:53,055 --> 00:45:55,615
Speaker 2: is that you want and then get double glazing to

813
00:45:55,775 --> 00:45:58,535
Speaker 2: do what you want it to do in that particular situation.

814
00:45:58,735 --> 00:46:01,215
Speaker 2: So no, I'm not suggesting you put single in part

815
00:46:01,255 --> 00:46:04,455
Speaker 2: of the house and double in another, use double glazing everywhere.

816
00:46:05,495 --> 00:46:07,215
Speaker 2: Just work out what it is that you want it

817
00:46:07,295 --> 00:46:09,695
Speaker 2: to do. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the

818
00:46:09,735 --> 00:46:12,455
Speaker 2: number to call. Remember at about seven twenty five, j

819
00:46:12,775 --> 00:46:15,575
Speaker 2: our painting expert will be available. So I've got some

820
00:46:15,735 --> 00:46:18,295
Speaker 2: good tricky questions for Jane. Now, happy to take a

821
00:46:18,335 --> 00:46:20,975
Speaker 2: couple more before we get seven to twenty five with

822
00:46:21,095 --> 00:46:25,255
Speaker 2: our painting experts, and also a little bit later on

823
00:46:25,375 --> 00:46:27,335
Speaker 2: we can talk a little bit about tribal which would

824
00:46:27,335 --> 00:46:31,255
Speaker 2: be fun, and the paneling that they make, the TGV paneling.

825
00:46:31,375 --> 00:46:33,015
Speaker 2: And then in the next hour of the show, I

826
00:46:33,095 --> 00:46:35,735
Speaker 2: picked up on a story this week, kind of a

827
00:46:35,855 --> 00:46:40,335
Speaker 2: decent in depth survey with a reasonably large sample size

828
00:46:40,415 --> 00:46:44,375
Speaker 2: over four hundred respondents, let's say, to a survey about

829
00:46:45,055 --> 00:46:50,055
Speaker 2: basically confidence in the construction sector. And I've read through it,

830
00:46:50,135 --> 00:46:53,455
Speaker 2: and then I realized that actually I've met Matt Duda,

831
00:46:53,535 --> 00:46:55,615
Speaker 2: who is the author of that, or his team is

832
00:46:55,935 --> 00:46:58,095
Speaker 2: the author of that. Gave him acall and said, hey,

833
00:46:58,135 --> 00:46:59,935
Speaker 2: can we talk about this for ten minutes because there's

834
00:46:59,935 --> 00:47:02,175
Speaker 2: some really interesting insights I want to drill down on that.

835
00:47:02,295 --> 00:47:05,455
Speaker 2: So Matt Duda from Eboss will join us after eight o'clock,

836
00:47:05,535 --> 00:47:07,735
Speaker 2: and then of course at eight thirty we're into the

837
00:47:07,775 --> 00:47:11,335
Speaker 2: garden climb past Roger Greetings.

838
00:47:11,895 --> 00:47:16,295
Speaker 14: Good money. Then a while ago, we've got a range

839
00:47:16,335 --> 00:47:22,375
Speaker 14: hood the store over my cooker, yep, and it's not

840
00:47:22,575 --> 00:47:25,855
Speaker 14: for specifications and if I've we got install up to

841
00:47:25,935 --> 00:47:28,255
Speaker 14: have a look at it, and now it's not that

842
00:47:28,415 --> 00:47:31,295
Speaker 14: it will do well. My son said that one is

843
00:47:31,415 --> 00:47:35,415
Speaker 14: my bathroom, but he said it would do right, and

844
00:47:36,695 --> 00:47:39,375
Speaker 14: I had to delay. I had some problems attend you

845
00:47:39,495 --> 00:47:43,455
Speaker 14: had and I come back and he said said, well,

846
00:47:43,655 --> 00:47:46,695
Speaker 14: let's get together and have a look at it. Okay,

847
00:47:47,055 --> 00:47:50,855
Speaker 14: Now my son rang him and he said, well, no,

848
00:47:51,135 --> 00:47:54,415
Speaker 14: I won't come and have a look at it. It's

849
00:47:54,455 --> 00:47:57,655
Speaker 14: not just specifications, but the thing will do well. My

850
00:47:57,775 --> 00:47:59,975
Speaker 14: son said, that's for a bathroom, not for a kitchen.

851
00:48:01,095 --> 00:48:04,015
Speaker 14: And it's the fanueit in the cover, it's a unit.

852
00:48:04,695 --> 00:48:07,095
Speaker 14: And then he said, well he did have a look

853
00:48:07,095 --> 00:48:10,095
Speaker 14: at it. Somebody's cracked it, and so I'm not going

854
00:48:10,175 --> 00:48:16,695
Speaker 14: to do anything about it. That was before the Oh,

855
00:48:16,775 --> 00:48:21,095
Speaker 14: I think it's safety regulations company. And the switch is

856
00:48:21,175 --> 00:48:24,055
Speaker 14: in a position where is you're going to bed over

857
00:48:24,175 --> 00:48:28,255
Speaker 14: the cooker to reach it, right and if you go

858
00:48:28,655 --> 00:48:30,535
Speaker 14: not there, but you're going to touch a hot Yeah,

859
00:48:31,455 --> 00:48:34,855
Speaker 14: now if you had to replace that now with that regulation.

860
00:48:34,575 --> 00:48:40,055
Speaker 2: Apply, I can't imagine that having an electrical outlet within

861
00:48:40,135 --> 00:48:43,575
Speaker 2: a certain distance of your cooker is permissible. So yeah,

862
00:48:43,575 --> 00:48:45,495
Speaker 2: if there's a switch or a PowerPoint, it's got to

863
00:48:45,535 --> 00:48:48,415
Speaker 2: be a certain distance away from the cooker. Can I

864
00:48:48,455 --> 00:48:50,655
Speaker 2: ask you a couple of quick questions about the extraction.

865
00:48:50,895 --> 00:48:55,455
Speaker 2: So it's in a kitchen, the what you wanted was

866
00:48:55,695 --> 00:49:00,055
Speaker 2: extraction above your cook top. So arrange hood type arrangement. Right,

867
00:49:00,215 --> 00:49:05,095
Speaker 2: So a kitchen extractor and and so, and that's in

868
00:49:05,215 --> 00:49:08,215
Speaker 2: an overhead cup, that's in a covered above the cook top,

869
00:49:10,935 --> 00:49:16,375
Speaker 2: or it's in the ceiling above that space. It's in

870
00:49:16,455 --> 00:49:20,215
Speaker 2: the low ceiling, right, Okay, so even if it's a

871
00:49:20,255 --> 00:49:22,495
Speaker 2: low ceiling and still be two point four. So what

872
00:49:22,615 --> 00:49:26,575
Speaker 2: they've done is they've put an extractor like a you're right,

873
00:49:26,935 --> 00:49:29,455
Speaker 2: it's a bathroom extractor. It's an extractor that you might

874
00:49:29,535 --> 00:49:32,055
Speaker 2: put in bathrooms, laundries or anywhere that you want to

875
00:49:32,135 --> 00:49:35,735
Speaker 2: extract air from a space. Right, But it's designed to

876
00:49:35,815 --> 00:49:39,695
Speaker 2: go at the ceiling level. So in terms of it

877
00:49:39,935 --> 00:49:44,415
Speaker 2: working to extract steam and so on from your cooking area,

878
00:49:44,855 --> 00:49:47,375
Speaker 2: it's probably not going to be terribly effective.

879
00:49:48,455 --> 00:49:51,935
Speaker 14: Well, you've got to because the bake door is a

880
00:49:52,775 --> 00:49:54,815
Speaker 14: way away from the cocker. But you're going to leave

881
00:49:57,695 --> 00:50:00,575
Speaker 14: for whom to extract it. But he said, mister wrong,

882
00:50:00,735 --> 00:50:02,015
Speaker 14: you would work.

883
00:50:02,695 --> 00:50:05,335
Speaker 2: Well, it sort of will in the sense that it

884
00:50:05,455 --> 00:50:09,895
Speaker 2: will extract moisty air or you know, from that space,

885
00:50:10,015 --> 00:50:12,015
Speaker 2: but it's not going to act as a range hood.

886
00:50:12,735 --> 00:50:16,095
Speaker 2: Interestingly enough, is the sor rental property that you're in.

887
00:50:17,175 --> 00:50:17,935
Speaker 14: It's own house.

888
00:50:17,935 --> 00:50:21,695
Speaker 2: It's your own house. Okay, Can I ask how is

889
00:50:21,735 --> 00:50:25,295
Speaker 2: it that you didn't have arrange hood anyway? Like, why

890
00:50:25,335 --> 00:50:26,775
Speaker 2: wouldn't you just put a range hood in?

891
00:50:28,295 --> 00:50:32,855
Speaker 14: Oh? The house was thought about nineteen fifteen nine. Okay,

892
00:50:34,095 --> 00:50:37,975
Speaker 14: we changed the cocker. Who's got a you know cocker?

893
00:50:38,055 --> 00:50:39,615
Speaker 14: And then we decided to.

894
00:50:41,615 --> 00:50:45,295
Speaker 2: Okay, but is there any reason that you couldn't install

895
00:50:45,575 --> 00:50:48,415
Speaker 2: arrange hood of some description?

896
00:50:50,095 --> 00:50:53,575
Speaker 14: There was a hood or some description over it. It

897
00:50:53,775 --> 00:50:59,295
Speaker 14: wasn't extracting the steam of their It wasn't it right.

898
00:51:00,535 --> 00:51:03,095
Speaker 14: We've got him up to untill it. It must have

899
00:51:03,255 --> 00:51:06,095
Speaker 14: done it, and then they didn't be much about it

900
00:51:06,695 --> 00:51:11,655
Speaker 14: a family, and then they keep on seeing the month advertising.

901
00:51:12,015 --> 00:51:16,055
Speaker 14: So I got found off. I replied, I'm not going

902
00:51:16,135 --> 00:51:17,935
Speaker 14: to do anything about it. It's not going to come

903
00:51:18,015 --> 00:51:21,175
Speaker 14: up and have enough. I'm going to get another pinion

904
00:51:21,615 --> 00:51:22,895
Speaker 14: and I'll take it.

905
00:51:24,615 --> 00:51:27,895
Speaker 2: Yeah, i'd be interested to know that. Don't tell me

906
00:51:27,975 --> 00:51:29,615
Speaker 2: the name on air, but I might pop you back

907
00:51:29,695 --> 00:51:34,055
Speaker 2: to my producer. It sounds like you haven't been particularly

908
00:51:34,135 --> 00:51:37,215
Speaker 2: well served by the person who's coming to do this work,

909
00:51:37,215 --> 00:51:40,975
Speaker 2: because you know, straightforward solution is you've got a cooker

910
00:51:41,135 --> 00:51:43,855
Speaker 2: on a bench top. Do you have some space above

911
00:51:43,935 --> 00:51:49,255
Speaker 2: that in order to install arrangement? Yes, so you and

912
00:51:49,375 --> 00:51:51,535
Speaker 2: even if you and then it's a single story house

913
00:51:51,655 --> 00:51:56,295
Speaker 2: or a double story house, well it's single story house.

914
00:51:56,375 --> 00:51:58,215
Speaker 2: Is it a trust roof so that you can get

915
00:51:58,255 --> 00:52:03,095
Speaker 2: into the roof space? Yes, okay, so you know. In

916
00:52:03,215 --> 00:52:08,055
Speaker 2: these instances, typically electrician or a range hood installer will

917
00:52:08,095 --> 00:52:10,495
Speaker 2: come along, they'll install a range hood, they'll take the

918
00:52:10,575 --> 00:52:12,815
Speaker 2: ducting up to the ceiling, They'll cut a hole in

919
00:52:12,895 --> 00:52:16,495
Speaker 2: the ceiling neatly, they'll run some ducting from there across

920
00:52:17,055 --> 00:52:19,775
Speaker 2: to the safite or to the outside of the building,

921
00:52:20,375 --> 00:52:23,455
Speaker 2: do a nice penetration through there, and have the air

922
00:52:23,735 --> 00:52:27,655
Speaker 2: exiting there, all of which is doable. Right, So, coming

923
00:52:27,695 --> 00:52:33,055
Speaker 2: along and just popping a ceiling extraction in, particularly without

924
00:52:33,135 --> 00:52:36,855
Speaker 2: fully informing you, sounds like you've been not well served

925
00:52:36,935 --> 00:52:38,815
Speaker 2: by the people who have done that work. And they

926
00:52:38,855 --> 00:52:43,055
Speaker 2: should know that, right, That's what But I did ask,

927
00:52:43,295 --> 00:52:46,855
Speaker 2: and that's why I did ask. Is this a rental property?

928
00:52:46,895 --> 00:52:51,855
Speaker 2: Because interestingly enough, in the legislation, you need extraction from

929
00:52:51,895 --> 00:52:54,375
Speaker 2: a kitchen, but it doesn't necessarily need to be a

930
00:52:54,455 --> 00:52:57,135
Speaker 2: range hood. So in some instances the cook tops in

931
00:52:57,175 --> 00:53:00,175
Speaker 2: front of a window. Blah bah bah. Anyway, look, stay

932
00:53:00,215 --> 00:53:02,975
Speaker 2: on the line please, Roger, and I'd be interested to

933
00:53:03,535 --> 00:53:07,655
Speaker 2: know who did that work. And I think you need

934
00:53:07,735 --> 00:53:10,015
Speaker 2: to go back to them and say, I actually think

935
00:53:10,055 --> 00:53:14,215
Speaker 2: I've been poorly advised, poorly served by your company, because

936
00:53:14,535 --> 00:53:17,295
Speaker 2: that sounds appalling to me, to be honest. Oh eight

937
00:53:17,415 --> 00:53:24,375
Speaker 2: hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Hello, Lynn, Hi, Hi, how.

938
00:53:24,295 --> 00:53:24,735
Speaker 9: Can I help.

939
00:53:27,775 --> 00:53:32,935
Speaker 11: I've got a problem. Well, let's start off, I'm elderly

940
00:53:33,055 --> 00:53:36,815
Speaker 11: and I only own my own house. It's an estate

941
00:53:36,975 --> 00:53:39,575
Speaker 11: which I've had for many years, and I've been doing

942
00:53:39,615 --> 00:53:41,855
Speaker 11: it out there as I go. But I've got a

943
00:53:41,895 --> 00:53:44,775
Speaker 11: problem now as a get older that the back steps

944
00:53:44,855 --> 00:53:48,455
Speaker 11: that lead from the back door. Yes, there's about six

945
00:53:48,535 --> 00:53:52,015
Speaker 11: of them, and the top two steps are very narrow,

946
00:53:52,135 --> 00:53:55,615
Speaker 11: which are dangerous and I could have actually slipped, you know,

947
00:53:55,735 --> 00:53:56,455
Speaker 11: missed the top.

948
00:53:56,615 --> 00:53:56,775
Speaker 4: Yeah.

949
00:53:56,935 --> 00:53:58,295
Speaker 2: Sure, yep, You've got to.

950
00:53:58,295 --> 00:54:01,135
Speaker 11: Be very careful. So what I was thinking of doing

951
00:54:01,335 --> 00:54:07,535
Speaker 11: was making it flush from the door over the first

952
00:54:07,655 --> 00:54:12,575
Speaker 11: three steps so there's all flat, yeah, and then continuing

953
00:54:12,695 --> 00:54:15,455
Speaker 11: with maybe three steps from there.

954
00:54:15,615 --> 00:54:16,295
Speaker 2: Yes, is that?

955
00:54:16,735 --> 00:54:18,455
Speaker 11: And having a handrail? Is that okay?

956
00:54:18,575 --> 00:54:21,295
Speaker 2: To do something like that sounds a really sensible solution.

957
00:54:21,855 --> 00:54:24,695
Speaker 2: So are they existing concrete steps or is it a

958
00:54:24,735 --> 00:54:25,015
Speaker 2: set of.

959
00:54:25,335 --> 00:54:27,255
Speaker 11: Stairs would have to be there.

960
00:54:28,095 --> 00:54:31,055
Speaker 2: I mean, look, you could like you know, get obviously

961
00:54:31,055 --> 00:54:34,455
Speaker 2: you're not going to build them yourself, so you get

962
00:54:34,495 --> 00:54:37,975
Speaker 2: a carpenter in and essentially what you're talking about doing

963
00:54:38,095 --> 00:54:41,335
Speaker 2: is creating a landing at outside that door so that

964
00:54:41,415 --> 00:54:44,095
Speaker 2: you can you've got a space to stand on securely,

965
00:54:44,615 --> 00:54:47,895
Speaker 2: and then either keeping the same direction of the stairs

966
00:54:48,095 --> 00:54:52,775
Speaker 2: or some new stairs with a nicer sort of tread pattern, right,

967
00:54:52,895 --> 00:54:55,615
Speaker 2: so slightly wider treads, maybe not as high, so you

968
00:54:55,735 --> 00:54:57,815
Speaker 2: might end up with an extra step which will make

969
00:54:57,855 --> 00:55:01,815
Speaker 2: it easier for you, and then a good graspable handrail

970
00:55:01,895 --> 00:55:04,615
Speaker 2: on the side. And rather than go through the effort

971
00:55:04,695 --> 00:55:07,255
Speaker 2: of removing all of those concretes, you might find that

972
00:55:07,335 --> 00:55:09,215
Speaker 2: you can actually leave them where they are and just

973
00:55:09,335 --> 00:55:10,535
Speaker 2: build over the top of them.

974
00:55:10,855 --> 00:55:11,095
Speaker 11: Yeah.

975
00:55:11,495 --> 00:55:15,135
Speaker 2: But yeah, a landing and a flight of stairs would

976
00:55:15,175 --> 00:55:16,255
Speaker 2: be a really good solution.

977
00:55:17,135 --> 00:55:21,215
Speaker 11: And I do I need to have handrails on both

978
00:55:21,295 --> 00:55:22,615
Speaker 11: sides or just one side.

979
00:55:23,815 --> 00:55:26,055
Speaker 2: It depends a little bit. If you can fall further

980
00:55:26,175 --> 00:55:30,855
Speaker 2: than a meter, right, then the requirement is that you

981
00:55:30,975 --> 00:55:35,455
Speaker 2: have balustrades on both sides. If you if the whole

982
00:55:35,535 --> 00:55:37,775
Speaker 2: thing is less than a meter, then you only need

983
00:55:38,015 --> 00:55:40,735
Speaker 2: a graspable handrail on one side.

984
00:55:41,655 --> 00:55:46,375
Speaker 11: Okay, yeah, that sounds very good because yeah, I'm that's

985
00:55:46,415 --> 00:55:49,695
Speaker 11: what I'm thinking of doing, and having an extra step.

986
00:55:49,935 --> 00:55:53,655
Speaker 2: Instead of just just make things so much easier, wouldn't it.

987
00:55:54,015 --> 00:56:00,495
Speaker 11: Yeah, as I get older, yeah absolutely, And just I've

988
00:56:00,695 --> 00:56:05,055
Speaker 11: almost come falling down. I've got to be very careful

989
00:56:05,175 --> 00:56:07,335
Speaker 11: going down. Those first are so narrow.

990
00:56:07,575 --> 00:56:10,175
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and it's that thing you sort of you

991
00:56:10,535 --> 00:56:13,215
Speaker 2: step over the sill, over the threshold, and then suddenly

992
00:56:13,255 --> 00:56:15,055
Speaker 2: you're down a little bit and then there's not much

993
00:56:15,135 --> 00:56:17,535
Speaker 2: of space, and then the next thing you're off down

994
00:56:17,575 --> 00:56:19,815
Speaker 2: the stairs. So I think you're onto it. I think

995
00:56:19,815 --> 00:56:22,575
Speaker 2: it's a great idea. Thank you so much, take care,

996
00:56:22,775 --> 00:56:24,415
Speaker 2: nice to talk to you all. The very best to you.

997
00:56:24,895 --> 00:56:26,935
Speaker 2: I think oh, eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty

998
00:56:27,055 --> 00:56:29,295
Speaker 2: will do one more quick call. Then we're into the

999
00:56:29,455 --> 00:56:33,255
Speaker 2: painting segment, so last chance for any questions. Some painting

1000
00:56:33,375 --> 00:56:39,495
Speaker 2: questions for Jay Sharpele's our painting expert from Razine Terry Greetings, Hello,

1001
00:56:39,735 --> 00:56:42,135
Speaker 2: how are you Peter? Very well? Thanks Terry and yourself.

1002
00:56:43,055 --> 00:56:44,495
Speaker 11: I'm fantastic, thank you.

1003
00:56:45,935 --> 00:56:48,055
Speaker 10: I'm ringing a thing to be a bit of a

1004
00:56:48,095 --> 00:56:51,975
Speaker 10: hot potato, but I'm also ringing about double glazed windows. Yes,

1005
00:56:52,415 --> 00:56:55,615
Speaker 10: and I've just had six units put into a brick

1006
00:56:55,735 --> 00:57:00,975
Speaker 10: house and they they initially they didn't they didn't sit

1007
00:57:01,175 --> 00:57:05,855
Speaker 10: right photos of the site that you can be outside anyway,

1008
00:57:06,495 --> 00:57:09,695
Speaker 10: much discussion that was decided they had to put flangers

1009
00:57:09,695 --> 00:57:12,695
Speaker 10: around the edges that went from the window to the

1010
00:57:12,855 --> 00:57:15,015
Speaker 10: edge of the brooks.

1011
00:57:15,775 --> 00:57:18,775
Speaker 2: Okay, so just so, just so we're very clear, what

1012
00:57:18,975 --> 00:57:20,775
Speaker 2: you had done, by the sound of it, is that

1013
00:57:20,935 --> 00:57:24,935
Speaker 2: your frames and the glazing were both removed and they've

1014
00:57:25,015 --> 00:57:29,935
Speaker 2: installed new frames or new windows, frames with double glazing

1015
00:57:30,015 --> 00:57:33,775
Speaker 2: installed in them. Yes, okay, all right, yep, I'm with you.

1016
00:57:34,095 --> 00:57:34,175
Speaker 9: Ye.

1017
00:57:34,495 --> 00:57:37,855
Speaker 13: So I was happy about that because that seemed to

1018
00:57:37,935 --> 00:57:41,495
Speaker 13: be although I was told it was a messove for stuff.

1019
00:57:41,895 --> 00:57:45,735
Speaker 13: I think that they said worse than that anyway, But

1020
00:57:45,935 --> 00:57:49,575
Speaker 13: since then I've had really bad condensations. So it's really

1021
00:57:49,615 --> 00:57:53,055
Speaker 13: the condensation I want to talk about because when I

1022
00:57:53,255 --> 00:57:56,135
Speaker 13: have asked the builder to get the people from the

1023
00:57:56,175 --> 00:57:59,815
Speaker 13: aluminium company to come, they've just given me a whole

1024
00:58:00,015 --> 00:58:04,015
Speaker 13: raft of reasons why you can and can't have condensation? Right,

1025
00:58:04,255 --> 00:58:07,495
Speaker 13: And I have got an HV system in the house,

1026
00:58:08,095 --> 00:58:10,775
Speaker 13: and each day I've been checking the graph, which is

1027
00:58:11,095 --> 00:58:13,975
Speaker 13: most mornings it's about nine degrees in the roof and

1028
00:58:14,175 --> 00:58:18,415
Speaker 13: fourteen to sixteen in the house. But I still had

1029
00:58:18,495 --> 00:58:23,575
Speaker 13: this compensation coming down the aluminium and the glass. And

1030
00:58:23,655 --> 00:58:27,495
Speaker 13: I'm a bit furious because and I'm not sure if

1031
00:58:27,535 --> 00:58:29,895
Speaker 13: this is relevant or not, but I have put them

1032
00:58:29,935 --> 00:58:32,775
Speaker 13: on the south side of the house, and I'm proposing

1033
00:58:32,895 --> 00:58:34,735
Speaker 13: not to do them on the north side of the

1034
00:58:34,815 --> 00:58:37,015
Speaker 13: house because it's a really sunny house and you can

1035
00:58:37,095 --> 00:58:37,815
Speaker 13: get very warm.

1036
00:58:37,855 --> 00:58:40,375
Speaker 6: And I mean what I do in that's question.

1037
00:58:42,295 --> 00:58:45,135
Speaker 2: The new frames that have been installed, the aluminium frames,

1038
00:58:45,615 --> 00:58:52,775
Speaker 2: are they thermly broken aluminium? I don't know, Okay, So

1039
00:58:53,575 --> 00:58:56,415
Speaker 2: unfortunately what happens, and I saw it myself last week. Right,

1040
00:58:57,375 --> 00:59:00,495
Speaker 2: So I'm in a house insulation in the walls, double

1041
00:59:00,535 --> 00:59:04,375
Speaker 2: glazed units. It was cold outside, it was warm inside,

1042
00:59:04,495 --> 00:59:08,015
Speaker 2: and there was condensation on the elements joinery. And it's

1043
00:59:08,055 --> 00:59:11,855
Speaker 2: simply because standard aluminium jowinery, where the extrusion runs all

1044
00:59:11,895 --> 00:59:16,295
Speaker 2: the way through unbroken, is a very good conductor. So

1045
00:59:16,855 --> 00:59:20,655
Speaker 2: while you've stopped the heat transferred through the glass or

1046
00:59:20,735 --> 00:59:26,975
Speaker 2: reduced that by installing double glazing. The actual aluminium extrusion

1047
00:59:27,015 --> 00:59:31,095
Speaker 2: itself is going to conduct heat and that's why you're

1048
00:59:31,135 --> 00:59:38,575
Speaker 2: getting condensation. So if look and you know hindsights, no,

1049
00:59:39,895 --> 00:59:43,615
Speaker 2: it is an inherent nature of a piece of aluminium

1050
00:59:43,655 --> 00:59:47,855
Speaker 2: will do that, right, that's themodynamics. So if for example,

1051
00:59:48,415 --> 00:59:51,895
Speaker 2: and this is where hindsight's always twenty twenty, if for example,

1052
00:59:51,935 --> 00:59:55,415
Speaker 2: you had reasonable timber joinery and you could retrofit the

1053
00:59:55,655 --> 00:59:58,335
Speaker 2: double glazed unit into the timber timbers a really good

1054
00:59:59,175 --> 01:00:02,775
Speaker 2: performs really well. Or for example, instead of putting in

1055
01:00:03,735 --> 01:00:07,455
Speaker 2: aluminium joinery, you had to put in UPV joinery. That

1056
01:00:07,535 --> 01:00:11,455
Speaker 2: would also basically stop the condensation because you don't get

1057
01:00:11,495 --> 01:00:14,735
Speaker 2: that thermal conductivity through uPVC, and you don't get it

1058
01:00:14,815 --> 01:00:18,335
Speaker 2: through timber, and to some degree you don't get it

1059
01:00:18,415 --> 01:00:22,415
Speaker 2: through thermally broken aluminium. But if they've put in standard aluminium,

1060
01:00:22,695 --> 01:00:24,095
Speaker 2: you're going to get condensation.

1061
01:00:24,295 --> 01:00:26,975
Speaker 15: That's what you've got, and probably a good thing for

1062
01:00:27,095 --> 01:00:30,975
Speaker 15: people to know, because I've had three houses with double

1063
01:00:30,975 --> 01:00:33,815
Speaker 15: blaze and I never had condensation, but I didn't realize

1064
01:00:33,855 --> 01:00:35,975
Speaker 15: that that was the difference.

1065
01:00:36,615 --> 01:00:40,495
Speaker 2: That's how it works, and that's just heat transfers, thermodynamics,

1066
01:00:40,655 --> 01:00:44,615
Speaker 2: that's just how it goes. And there's sort of within

1067
01:00:44,855 --> 01:00:47,375
Speaker 2: the kind of building science space. That's what we've come

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Speaker 2: to understand. And if you look at the changes to

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01:00:49,855 --> 01:00:54,375
Speaker 2: H one in the building code, increasingly in order to

1070
01:00:54,455 --> 01:00:59,495
Speaker 2: get your performance standards up, more and more joinery aluminium

1071
01:00:59,575 --> 01:01:03,655
Speaker 2: joinery has become thermally you require thermally broken aluminium joinery.

1072
01:01:05,455 --> 01:01:10,295
Speaker 2: So know, given that this work has done recently, you'd

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01:01:10,375 --> 01:01:12,535
Speaker 2: kind of go back to the people and go, hey,

1074
01:01:13,175 --> 01:01:15,135
Speaker 2: couldn't you have advised me on this given that you

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01:01:15,375 --> 01:01:18,095
Speaker 2: know what's going to happen. So I'd been having some

1076
01:01:18,215 --> 01:01:22,655
Speaker 2: discussions there. Yeah, okay, and good luck with me, and

1077
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Speaker 2: please let me know how you get on, because I'm

1078
01:01:24,415 --> 01:01:26,935
Speaker 2: always intrigued as to where these these stories end up.

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01:01:28,255 --> 01:01:30,735
Speaker 2: Think well, all right, all the best, Terry, take care,

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01:01:31,135 --> 01:01:31,895
Speaker 2: thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 4: Bye.

1082
01:01:33,335 --> 01:01:35,295
Speaker 2: Seven twenty seven. We're a little bit late, but we're

1083
01:01:35,375 --> 01:01:38,735
Speaker 2: almost there. Let's talk to Jay from Razine. He's coming

1084
01:01:38,815 --> 01:01:41,055
Speaker 2: up next. I've got some good, tricky questions for Jay.

1085
01:01:41,215 --> 01:01:43,495
Speaker 2: Looking forward to it. If you've got a quick text

1086
01:01:43,535 --> 01:01:45,615
Speaker 2: that you want to flick through, might still have time

1087
01:01:45,895 --> 01:01:48,695
Speaker 2: nine to nine to z b z B your news

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Speaker 2: talk said.

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Speaker 1: B twice, God was but maybe called Pete first be

1090
01:01:53,615 --> 01:01:55,375
Speaker 1: your wolfcav the resident builder.

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Speaker 2: News Talk said B right, he oh, you're we're with

1092
01:01:58,095 --> 01:02:00,655
Speaker 2: newstalk or you're with news Talks. Said B that's that's us.

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01:02:00,775 --> 01:02:03,535
Speaker 2: That's that's us right here, and we are talking all

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Speaker 2: things painting and Jay are very very good morning to you.

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Speaker 2: How are you doing so, I'm all good, mate, you're good.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: To be fair, I'm better now that I'm almost the

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01:02:14,175 --> 01:02:24,775
Speaker 2: end of my balustrade painting marathon. So old balustrade, sand fill, prime,

1099
01:02:25,375 --> 01:02:30,815
Speaker 2: sand reprime, first coat, top coat, now fix them and

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01:02:30,935 --> 01:02:32,775
Speaker 2: now got a whole lot of holes which are filled.

1101
01:02:33,055 --> 01:02:36,655
Speaker 2: Now I can reprime those areas, top coat those areas,

1102
01:02:36,775 --> 01:02:42,015
Speaker 2: and then they're finally ready to install. Sometimes just you

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01:02:42,135 --> 01:02:43,775
Speaker 2: have to do what you have to do. There ain't

1104
01:02:43,815 --> 01:02:46,015
Speaker 2: no shortcuts, that's it.

1105
01:02:46,575 --> 01:02:48,735
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think we sail there all the time. Everyone

1106
01:02:48,775 --> 01:02:52,575
Speaker 9: wants to find that shortcut, get the preparation. But the

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01:02:52,655 --> 01:02:53,695
Speaker 9: most important part.

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01:02:54,375 --> 01:03:00,095
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, yes, yeah, I mean there's just no way

1109
01:03:00,095 --> 01:03:02,735
Speaker 2: around preparation. Eight like you would see this, you know,

1110
01:03:02,815 --> 01:03:06,895
Speaker 2: because I know you guys get called out someone and says, oh,

1111
01:03:06,975 --> 01:03:08,855
Speaker 2: the paint's no good and you go out there and

1112
01:03:08,975 --> 01:03:11,615
Speaker 2: you find that they didn't wash it, they didn't stand it,

1113
01:03:11,775 --> 01:03:13,735
Speaker 2: they didn't do any prep, they didn't use a primer,

1114
01:03:13,855 --> 01:03:15,975
Speaker 2: they slept on a top coat over the top and

1115
01:03:16,055 --> 01:03:18,215
Speaker 2: it's come off, and you're going, well, what do you expect?

1116
01:03:19,455 --> 01:03:24,255
Speaker 9: That's it. Adding that the conditions can play a big

1117
01:03:24,335 --> 01:03:28,255
Speaker 9: part as well, and people telling you that it's not

1118
01:03:28,415 --> 01:03:31,295
Speaker 9: been raining and there's been Matthew Minsity and Auckland right,

1119
01:03:32,855 --> 01:03:34,735
Speaker 9: It's that adds to the issues as well.

1120
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Speaker 2: But it's all fun and games and down at the

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Speaker 2: Home Show US today the Home Garden shown Blennon that

1122
01:03:40,615 --> 01:03:43,335
Speaker 2: does that. Yesterday I was chatting with someone who's you know,

1123
01:03:43,535 --> 01:03:46,255
Speaker 2: involved in coatings and so on, and so they described

1124
01:03:46,255 --> 01:03:49,695
Speaker 2: the situation where a team of contractors I'm not going

1125
01:03:49,775 --> 01:03:53,775
Speaker 2: to say who obviously arrived wash the house down, let's

1126
01:03:53,775 --> 01:03:57,255
Speaker 2: say in September and then return to do the work

1127
01:03:57,295 --> 01:03:57,895
Speaker 2: in December.

1128
01:04:00,935 --> 01:04:02,295
Speaker 9: Do you think it might have got a little bit.

1129
01:04:03,255 --> 01:04:07,095
Speaker 2: I don't think it did particularly well. So yeah, doing

1130
01:04:07,135 --> 01:04:09,215
Speaker 2: it right, and that's why you're here. So let's rip

1131
01:04:09,255 --> 01:04:11,615
Speaker 2: into it. Morning, Jeans. I've got three bedrooms that a

1132
01:04:11,735 --> 01:04:16,255
Speaker 2: little bit dark. I plan to repaint them they're a

1133
01:04:16,335 --> 01:04:19,375
Speaker 2: new condition. Am I best to do a sealer undercoat

1134
01:04:20,455 --> 01:04:22,335
Speaker 2: or do I need Can I just go on to

1135
01:04:22,415 --> 01:04:24,575
Speaker 2: the top coat. So if it's you know, let's say

1136
01:04:24,575 --> 01:04:26,935
Speaker 2: it's a dark hue, a dark green or a blue

1137
01:04:27,015 --> 01:04:28,415
Speaker 2: or something like that, and you want to go for

1138
01:04:28,535 --> 01:04:31,695
Speaker 2: something lighter and brighter, what's the best course of action.

1139
01:04:32,735 --> 01:04:35,255
Speaker 9: It's always good to put on a primer undercoat, like

1140
01:04:35,655 --> 01:04:38,615
Speaker 9: quick dry primer undercoat in that situation. If you're going

1141
01:04:38,655 --> 01:04:41,295
Speaker 9: to have a big change of color, it's always good

1142
01:04:41,335 --> 01:04:44,655
Speaker 9: to prime first. Yeah, just it will help with coverage

1143
01:04:44,695 --> 01:04:48,655
Speaker 9: with the top coats. Also, some colors will have a

1144
01:04:48,735 --> 01:04:52,735
Speaker 9: specific kind of color undercoat, so it's always best to check.

1145
01:04:54,255 --> 01:04:56,335
Speaker 9: I've just said a case this week where some guys

1146
01:04:56,375 --> 01:05:00,815
Speaker 9: are doing a cut them out a bright red on

1147
01:05:00,975 --> 01:05:03,895
Speaker 9: a door, and they've primed it with quick dry, but

1148
01:05:04,095 --> 01:05:06,535
Speaker 9: it just needed to be a darker color undercoat to

1149
01:05:06,615 --> 01:05:11,295
Speaker 9: help with the coverage. So since they've done that darker color,

1150
01:05:11,655 --> 01:05:13,135
Speaker 9: then there's no problems.

1151
01:05:13,975 --> 01:05:18,295
Speaker 2: Okay, awesome, So and I guess too. Primers also help

1152
01:05:18,375 --> 01:05:24,015
Speaker 2: with bonding A yes, definitely awesome, right morning. Could you

1153
01:05:24,095 --> 01:05:26,375
Speaker 2: please ask Jay if he would recommend painting in an

1154
01:05:27,055 --> 01:05:29,615
Speaker 2: entire house in razine black white or is it bitter

1155
01:05:29,695 --> 01:05:33,295
Speaker 2: to ed some color? I mean, okay, three bedroom house,

1156
01:05:33,335 --> 01:05:37,095
Speaker 2: we like razine. We asked the painter what color here?

1157
01:05:37,215 --> 01:05:39,975
Speaker 2: Maybe here's the problem. Never asked the painter what color.

1158
01:05:40,895 --> 01:05:42,455
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not the painter's choice.

1159
01:05:43,575 --> 01:05:45,535
Speaker 9: They might also have a garage full of stump.

1160
01:05:47,335 --> 01:05:51,415
Speaker 2: Not saying that good to talk. Yeah, that's yes, it's your.

1161
01:05:51,375 --> 01:05:54,815
Speaker 9: House, your decision. Like we've got in store color consults,

1162
01:05:54,895 --> 01:05:59,775
Speaker 9: you've got online color advice, you've got friends and family

1163
01:05:59,895 --> 01:06:02,575
Speaker 9: you can ask. But at the end of the day,

1164
01:06:02,575 --> 01:06:04,215
Speaker 9: it's your house. You're the one living in it.

1165
01:06:05,055 --> 01:06:05,855
Speaker 13: You need to like it.

1166
01:06:06,335 --> 01:06:11,775
Speaker 9: Yeah, and black white or half black white, it's it's

1167
01:06:11,815 --> 01:06:15,055
Speaker 9: a nice color, like it lightens everything up. Some people

1168
01:06:15,175 --> 01:06:19,175
Speaker 9: think it can be too clinical, right, people really like it.

1169
01:06:19,415 --> 01:06:24,295
Speaker 9: I suppose it depends on the design of your property. Also.

1170
01:06:24,655 --> 01:06:26,535
Speaker 9: I mean, if you go that white, you can add

1171
01:06:26,575 --> 01:06:30,615
Speaker 9: all sorts of color with furnishings in everything you've got. Yeah,

1172
01:06:31,695 --> 01:06:33,175
Speaker 9: but it really is personal preference.

1173
01:06:33,535 --> 01:06:35,695
Speaker 2: And it's quite an interesting color in the sense that

1174
01:06:36,015 --> 01:06:39,655
Speaker 2: I think we painted host project that color on the outside,

1175
01:06:40,455 --> 01:06:42,495
Speaker 2: and you kind of go, it looks like white until

1176
01:06:42,495 --> 01:06:44,695
Speaker 2: you put white next to it, and then suddenly you

1177
01:06:44,815 --> 01:06:47,055
Speaker 2: see that there is actually a bit of depth to it.

1178
01:06:48,295 --> 01:06:52,455
Speaker 9: Yeah, a lot off, like that pointer in my house

1179
01:06:52,535 --> 01:06:56,015
Speaker 9: that looks white. Yes, the light changes and then it

1180
01:06:56,055 --> 01:06:58,415
Speaker 9: can look a bit gray or a little bit warmer,

1181
01:06:58,975 --> 01:07:01,375
Speaker 9: and make say, if you put another white next to it,

1182
01:07:01,615 --> 01:07:04,615
Speaker 9: you realize the color you think's white isn't actually white.

1183
01:07:04,935 --> 01:07:08,815
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely right. Painting question. My ceiling is painted in

1184
01:07:08,935 --> 01:07:12,095
Speaker 2: a mate paint and is very difficult to clean. It

1185
01:07:12,215 --> 01:07:14,775
Speaker 2: has flypoot on it, and I want to repaint it.

1186
01:07:14,895 --> 01:07:17,375
Speaker 2: How much cleaning do I need to do before painting.

1187
01:07:17,735 --> 01:07:19,575
Speaker 2: It's probably a couple of things there isn't I mean

1188
01:07:19,655 --> 01:07:23,815
Speaker 2: the old ceiling flat, which you know the developers and

1189
01:07:23,895 --> 01:07:25,775
Speaker 2: will kind of use it. And then you go in

1190
01:07:25,935 --> 01:07:29,655
Speaker 2: hard wearing areas like kitchens and bathrooms. You're right, not

1191
01:07:29,775 --> 01:07:30,615
Speaker 2: that easy to clean.

1192
01:07:31,935 --> 01:07:34,575
Speaker 9: And no, I mean we've got the space coat flap,

1193
01:07:34,815 --> 01:07:38,655
Speaker 9: which is also a flat but is more serviceable than

1194
01:07:38,695 --> 01:07:43,255
Speaker 9: your standard ceiling paint. Yes, but as for cleaning before painting,

1195
01:07:44,455 --> 01:07:48,215
Speaker 9: ideally you want to clean it all ye. Flypoop can

1196
01:07:48,775 --> 01:07:52,055
Speaker 9: has a tendency to bleed through. Yes, So if you

1197
01:07:52,175 --> 01:07:54,255
Speaker 9: don't and you think you'll put another coat of paint on,

1198
01:07:54,375 --> 01:07:56,975
Speaker 9: in another coat of paint on. You might find yourself

1199
01:07:57,015 --> 01:07:59,455
Speaker 9: put multiple coats on just to try and cover it.

1200
01:08:00,135 --> 01:08:02,415
Speaker 9: And it's I mean the amount of time that goes

1201
01:08:02,455 --> 01:08:07,175
Speaker 9: into that rather than just a few minutes cleaning. Yes,

1202
01:08:07,215 --> 01:08:08,895
Speaker 9: the other thing you could do would be to put

1203
01:08:09,695 --> 01:08:12,695
Speaker 9: after cleaning it. Obviously, if you don't clean it as well,

1204
01:08:13,095 --> 01:08:15,575
Speaker 9: the paint might not adhere very well to those areas,

1205
01:08:15,695 --> 01:08:19,455
Speaker 9: which could cause you issues down down the line. But

1206
01:08:19,615 --> 01:08:23,735
Speaker 9: after cleaning you could also put on an enamel undercoat

1207
01:08:23,975 --> 01:08:27,935
Speaker 9: or an undercoat to help block everything leading through into

1208
01:08:27,975 --> 01:08:28,575
Speaker 9: the top coats.

1209
01:08:29,695 --> 01:08:32,055
Speaker 2: That cleaner that I picked up from you guys a

1210
01:08:32,135 --> 01:08:35,055
Speaker 2: while ago, now that bathroom ceiling, what was that? It's

1211
01:08:35,095 --> 01:08:37,655
Speaker 2: an interior surface.

1212
01:08:38,695 --> 01:08:41,975
Speaker 9: Paintwork cleaner comes in a little spray bottle. Actually using

1213
01:08:42,015 --> 01:08:48,295
Speaker 9: it on my walls yesterdays mud and splashed mudd. So yeah,

1214
01:08:48,495 --> 01:08:51,735
Speaker 9: just you can use that and it just does a

1215
01:08:51,775 --> 01:08:54,855
Speaker 9: really good job at removing all mops off painted wall.

1216
01:08:55,375 --> 01:08:57,255
Speaker 2: I might have to go and pick up so yea,

1217
01:08:57,295 --> 01:08:59,055
Speaker 2: it was slightly different. I had to mix it up

1218
01:08:59,095 --> 01:08:59,615
Speaker 2: and put it on.

1219
01:09:00,415 --> 01:09:04,295
Speaker 9: And there's a concentrate on or there's a spray bottle.

1220
01:09:04,055 --> 01:09:07,255
Speaker 2: One right, Okay, I used to concentrate, diluted it, did

1221
01:09:07,295 --> 01:09:10,335
Speaker 2: the ceilings, clean them, really thoroughly left it, rinsed it,

1222
01:09:10,415 --> 01:09:12,895
Speaker 2: da da da da da, and how it really got

1223
01:09:12,935 --> 01:09:14,775
Speaker 2: it off. Took all the color out of my T

1224
01:09:14,895 --> 01:09:15,255
Speaker 2: shirt too.

1225
01:09:15,335 --> 01:09:19,375
Speaker 9: But hey, look, okay that was the moss and mold killer. Yes,

1226
01:09:19,575 --> 01:09:20,895
Speaker 9: I think there were some mold issues.

1227
01:09:21,175 --> 01:09:23,455
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, that stuff works.

1228
01:09:23,655 --> 01:09:24,815
Speaker 9: Yeah it's really good.

1229
01:09:25,095 --> 01:09:27,895
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but yeah, don't wear a good shirt to

1230
01:09:27,975 --> 01:09:31,695
Speaker 2: be fair. M Oh here we got just someone's texting

1231
01:09:31,735 --> 01:09:33,695
Speaker 2: and going, hey, look I've just done the whole house,

1232
01:09:33,775 --> 01:09:36,375
Speaker 2: four beds, lounge and half black white. Love it. It's

1233
01:09:36,415 --> 01:09:40,255
Speaker 2: a blank for people to choose their accessory colors. Absolutely

1234
01:09:42,055 --> 01:09:45,695
Speaker 2: right out. Now someone has got it's the classic sort

1235
01:09:45,735 --> 01:09:49,575
Speaker 2: of rusty nails starting to appear on a color steel roof.

1236
01:09:50,015 --> 01:09:52,415
Speaker 2: So treatment and coating options please.

1237
01:09:54,815 --> 01:09:56,935
Speaker 9: When you start saying rusty nails, is going to say, well,

1238
01:09:57,135 --> 01:09:59,735
Speaker 9: puncher or remove them or punch them. You don't really

1239
01:09:59,775 --> 01:10:03,015
Speaker 9: want to be done, not on a roof. No, So

1240
01:10:03,815 --> 01:10:07,495
Speaker 9: I suppose if they're really bad, it's looking at them. Otherwise,

1241
01:10:07,655 --> 01:10:11,175
Speaker 9: we've got armor x GP metal primer that you could

1242
01:10:11,215 --> 01:10:14,095
Speaker 9: spot prime them with prior to repainting.

1243
01:10:16,295 --> 01:10:20,055
Speaker 2: Armor ex GP Primer, Medical Primer, Metal primer.

1244
01:10:21,015 --> 01:10:24,135
Speaker 9: Okay, well good, I think you for youse someone one

1245
01:10:24,135 --> 01:10:26,255
Speaker 9: of you'll go to this one time. It recently changed

1246
01:10:26,375 --> 01:10:29,775
Speaker 9: name from just GP Metal Primer into the Armor X

1247
01:10:29,895 --> 01:10:32,295
Speaker 9: range right to be fear made.

1248
01:10:32,295 --> 01:10:35,215
Speaker 2: If I'm really honest, I haven't done that job yet,

1249
01:10:35,535 --> 01:10:37,935
Speaker 2: but thank you for reminding me that I still have

1250
01:10:38,375 --> 01:10:45,295
Speaker 2: jobs to do. Those rusty nails are still there. Hey, look,

1251
01:10:45,335 --> 01:10:47,455
Speaker 2: it didn't leak this week, and they bucketed down a

1252
01:10:47,495 --> 01:10:48,095
Speaker 2: couple of times.

1253
01:10:49,695 --> 01:10:50,175
Speaker 14: Let me see.

1254
01:10:50,535 --> 01:10:52,815
Speaker 2: Ah, here we go fifteen to twenty year old wooden

1255
01:10:52,855 --> 01:10:56,015
Speaker 2: paling fence. Gave it a brushdown before spraying with paint,

1256
01:10:56,295 --> 01:10:59,815
Speaker 2: but it's flaking off the fences north facing as well.

1257
01:11:00,015 --> 01:11:02,295
Speaker 2: Where did I go wrong? And what do I do

1258
01:11:02,455 --> 01:11:04,015
Speaker 2: before repainting? That's from rob.

1259
01:11:06,575 --> 01:11:10,095
Speaker 9: I suppose a couple of things, like just giving it

1260
01:11:10,215 --> 01:11:13,975
Speaker 9: a spray down with something, Is that the best prep

1261
01:11:14,055 --> 01:11:18,055
Speaker 9: you could have done? Like if you're just going to

1262
01:11:18,135 --> 01:11:20,455
Speaker 9: hose it down or water blast, a lot of the

1263
01:11:20,495 --> 01:11:22,655
Speaker 9: time you actually need to give it a scrub. Yes,

1264
01:11:23,615 --> 01:11:26,855
Speaker 9: I know, I didn't do my fence before winter. The

1265
01:11:26,935 --> 01:11:29,855
Speaker 9: new fence and I'm just looking at it down by

1266
01:11:29,895 --> 01:11:32,095
Speaker 9: the grass is going to be pretty muddy and messy

1267
01:11:32,335 --> 01:11:34,055
Speaker 9: and enough I just to hose it. It's not going

1268
01:11:34,135 --> 01:11:37,095
Speaker 9: to be enough to remove everything. So I'll give it

1269
01:11:37,135 --> 01:11:41,375
Speaker 9: a soft brush scrub with razine, paint prep and house

1270
01:11:41,575 --> 01:11:45,135
Speaker 9: wash to remove all of that prior to painting. Yep,

1271
01:11:45,615 --> 01:11:50,575
Speaker 9: and then spraying. Depending on the spray you've used. Is

1272
01:11:50,615 --> 01:11:54,495
Speaker 9: there enough product on there? It adhered very well? Like

1273
01:11:54,615 --> 01:11:59,415
Speaker 9: which product did you use? Again? Ideally primate prior to

1274
01:11:59,815 --> 01:12:04,295
Speaker 9: two top coats, something like seeing lumbersider is self priming.

1275
01:12:04,695 --> 01:12:07,695
Speaker 9: Really it should be three coat saw on roughsor on timber.

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01:12:09,015 --> 01:12:11,575
Speaker 9: So it's enough product being applied.

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Speaker 2: Right and possibly no primer in which case.

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01:12:15,615 --> 01:12:18,935
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a few things there that could

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01:12:18,975 --> 01:12:19,295
Speaker 9: of course.

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01:12:21,175 --> 01:12:23,655
Speaker 2: Now last one for you this morning from Marion. I

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01:12:23,775 --> 01:12:26,855
Speaker 2: have a stained area on the ceiling from a fly.

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01:12:27,135 --> 01:12:32,095
Speaker 2: You know those dispenser things fly that's been sitting Well,

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01:12:32,095 --> 01:12:33,575
Speaker 2: if you put them too close to the ceiling.

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01:12:33,775 --> 01:12:39,695
Speaker 9: Yeah, there all down the walls. We kind of stains

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01:12:39,815 --> 01:12:42,895
Speaker 9: everything and just yeah, it makes a bit of a mess.

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01:12:43,335 --> 01:12:44,935
Speaker 4: So what is there a product? Yeah?

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01:12:45,495 --> 01:12:48,015
Speaker 2: Yeah, is there a paint that would cover the stain

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01:12:48,295 --> 01:12:50,255
Speaker 2: or something to clean it and then prime it and

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01:12:50,335 --> 01:12:52,335
Speaker 2: then top code it. What's the process.

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01:12:53,575 --> 01:12:56,775
Speaker 9: So it's clean it. I've seen it where it's still

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01:12:56,855 --> 01:12:59,535
Speaker 9: quite wet and tacky, so cleaning it starts to become

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01:12:59,615 --> 01:13:02,415
Speaker 9: an issue. And I've seen it where it seems to

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01:13:02,655 --> 01:13:06,855
Speaker 9: just be discolored. So if it's clear that the best

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01:13:06,895 --> 01:13:10,095
Speaker 9: you can with any sort of cleaner, and say, give

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01:13:10,175 --> 01:13:13,975
Speaker 9: the area a sand and then we've got the solvent

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01:13:14,095 --> 01:13:17,735
Speaker 9: born or water born shore seal that could go over

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01:13:17,815 --> 01:13:20,895
Speaker 9: it and then repaint it. Yeah, but it might be

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01:13:20,975 --> 01:13:23,015
Speaker 9: best to do two coats of the sela just to

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01:13:23,095 --> 01:13:27,335
Speaker 9: try and rack everything. But yeah, they're a bit of

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01:13:27,375 --> 01:13:29,095
Speaker 9: a use spaces.

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01:13:29,735 --> 01:13:32,255
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. Actually I'm going to sneak in one extra one.

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01:13:32,815 --> 01:13:37,095
Speaker 2: I'm adding some v groove ply H three treated inside

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01:13:37,135 --> 01:13:39,735
Speaker 2: a batch in a covered deck area. But the board

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01:13:39,855 --> 01:13:42,815
Speaker 2: smells of treatment and they do that H three stuff.

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01:13:43,135 --> 01:13:46,375
Speaker 2: Should I seal both sides before painting so it stops

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01:13:46,455 --> 01:13:50,255
Speaker 2: the smell of the ply treatment and what sealer is best?

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01:13:52,775 --> 01:13:54,575
Speaker 2: Can I just add a comment in there that that

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01:13:55,455 --> 01:13:58,695
Speaker 2: once you bought the product, you're actually better leaving it

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01:13:59,255 --> 01:14:02,335
Speaker 2: covered so it doesn't get wet, but ventilated and let

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01:14:02,415 --> 01:14:06,735
Speaker 2: it sort of flash off and reducing that odor that

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01:14:06,855 --> 01:14:10,055
Speaker 2: you get from the H three treatment. But then in

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01:14:10,175 --> 01:14:13,055
Speaker 2: terms of painting at what would you suggest so plywood?

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01:14:14,335 --> 01:14:17,895
Speaker 9: Yeah, if it's a smelling of the treatment that that

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01:14:18,455 --> 01:14:22,775
Speaker 9: dispersed before you start trying to paint it, yep. And

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01:14:22,935 --> 01:14:28,415
Speaker 9: then you could use the razine wood primer and I'd

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01:14:28,455 --> 01:14:30,855
Speaker 9: say yes if you can do all sides and kind

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01:14:30,895 --> 01:14:33,415
Speaker 9: of envelope. So let's all last a whole lot longer

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01:14:33,455 --> 01:14:34,535
Speaker 9: than just do in the face.

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01:14:35,975 --> 01:14:40,055
Speaker 2: Brilliant, good sorted, much appreciated. Jay is always thank you

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01:14:40,095 --> 01:14:43,055
Speaker 2: for joining us on a Sunday and enjoy the warriors tonight,

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01:14:43,575 --> 01:14:47,495
Speaker 2: Oka all the this bother there for more painting advice,

1322
01:14:47,615 --> 01:14:49,655
Speaker 2: make sure you talk to the team at your local

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01:14:49,815 --> 01:14:52,655
Speaker 2: raisine color shop. My thanks to to Jay for joining

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01:14:52,735 --> 01:14:55,415
Speaker 2: us again this morning seven forty three. Here at news

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01:14:55,455 --> 01:14:57,415
Speaker 2: Talk z Beat, we're back to open line talkback. If

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01:14:57,455 --> 01:14:59,615
Speaker 2: you've got a question of a building nature, give us.

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01:14:59,535 --> 01:15:02,935
Speaker 1: A call doing our house storting the garden, ask feet

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01:15:03,055 --> 01:15:05,975
Speaker 1: for ahead the resident builder with Peter Wolfcare.

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01:15:06,455 --> 01:15:06,535
Speaker 15: Oh.

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01:15:09,495 --> 01:15:12,335
Speaker 2: Today we're going to discuss lining sheds Now. I've done

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01:15:12,455 --> 01:15:15,215
Speaker 2: plenty of that myself and in fact, one of the

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01:15:15,335 --> 01:15:20,255
Speaker 2: go to products for me is Tryboard TGV extremely durable

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01:15:20,335 --> 01:15:23,175
Speaker 2: panel that comes in four hundred wide sheets fifteen mil

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01:15:23,295 --> 01:15:26,455
Speaker 2: thick two length options, so two point four or three

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01:15:26,695 --> 01:15:30,015
Speaker 2: seven forty. Joining us today is Kyle Sheppard, who's the

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01:15:30,055 --> 01:15:32,815
Speaker 2: director from Total Span Corimandal. We're going to have a

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01:15:32,895 --> 01:15:35,495
Speaker 2: look at the use of triyboard as a wall and

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01:15:35,695 --> 01:15:38,255
Speaker 2: ceiling lining for some of their new sheds. Hey, thanks

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01:15:38,295 --> 01:15:40,415
Speaker 2: for your time this morning, Kyle. It's awesome.

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01:15:41,135 --> 01:15:43,255
Speaker 4: So for you, welcmpeter, happy to be here.

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01:15:43,535 --> 01:15:46,415
Speaker 2: Great stuff. Hey, so for you using the Tribald TGV

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01:15:46,495 --> 01:15:49,855
Speaker 2: as an interior lining in a shed. What jumped out

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01:15:49,855 --> 01:15:50,815
Speaker 2: at you? What's the advantage?

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01:15:52,575 --> 01:15:56,175
Speaker 16: The clear advantage for us is that the nature of

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01:15:56,935 --> 01:16:00,055
Speaker 16: how triboard is supplied with the three point six sheets

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01:16:00,335 --> 01:16:04,735
Speaker 16: and four hundred more wide fits perfectly with our method

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01:16:04,775 --> 01:16:08,615
Speaker 16: of construction, with our Ontol GRT system and Perlin system

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01:16:08,655 --> 01:16:13,095
Speaker 16: between the rafters, there's no need for additional substraight framing

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01:16:13,175 --> 01:16:14,735
Speaker 16: like there are with some other lining products.

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01:16:15,015 --> 01:16:18,255
Speaker 2: Triboard is really really good and of course it'll span

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01:16:18,375 --> 01:16:20,695
Speaker 2: between those girts nicely and the tongue groove locks it

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01:16:20,735 --> 01:16:21,135
Speaker 2: all together.

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01:16:22,415 --> 01:16:26,175
Speaker 16: Oh that's exactly it. You get a for a lined shed,

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01:16:26,255 --> 01:16:29,375
Speaker 16: you get a high quality finish, appearance, values.

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01:16:29,095 --> 01:16:32,455
Speaker 2: Great and clients love it and typically the links of

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01:16:32,495 --> 01:16:35,295
Speaker 2: the TGV. Now it works with the sheds because sheds

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01:16:35,295 --> 01:16:37,215
Speaker 2: are often a little bit taller than the standard to

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01:16:37,415 --> 01:16:39,455
Speaker 2: four and of course the span of the roof. So

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01:16:39,575 --> 01:16:42,975
Speaker 2: how do you find that We find it really good.

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01:16:43,695 --> 01:16:47,095
Speaker 16: Three point six meter warheight is a very very common

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01:16:47,375 --> 01:16:50,855
Speaker 16: right for our clients, and so those longer, longer sheets

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01:16:51,095 --> 01:16:54,655
Speaker 16: at three point six there's there's very little extra work

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01:16:54,735 --> 01:16:56,695
Speaker 16: to fit them straight to the framing.

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01:16:56,735 --> 01:16:57,735
Speaker 4: It's fantastic.

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01:16:58,215 --> 01:17:00,615
Speaker 2: And now in terms of coating it, you can leave

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01:17:00,655 --> 01:17:02,735
Speaker 2: it or you can do some coating. So what have

1367
01:17:02,815 --> 01:17:04,095
Speaker 2: you guys played around with.

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01:17:06,295 --> 01:17:08,535
Speaker 16: Many things over the years in a basic sort of

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01:17:08,615 --> 01:17:10,975
Speaker 16: shed fit out where it's not exposed to moisture, We're

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01:17:11,015 --> 01:17:13,855
Speaker 16: not exposed to an imediately adjacent door opening, and a

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01:17:13,895 --> 01:17:17,295
Speaker 16: lot of our clients choose to leave the product uncoded

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01:17:17,375 --> 01:17:21,295
Speaker 16: and it just just weathers as that does my personal preference.

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01:17:21,375 --> 01:17:24,255
Speaker 16: If it's immediately adjacent to a door in the exposed

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01:17:24,255 --> 01:17:29,375
Speaker 16: to weather, a simple clear seal or a simple paint

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01:17:29,415 --> 01:17:30,335
Speaker 16: funished works.

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01:17:30,215 --> 01:17:33,015
Speaker 2: Really well for durability and it does paint really well

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01:17:33,095 --> 01:17:35,735
Speaker 2: from my own experience. Hey, now, if people want to

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01:17:35,775 --> 01:17:37,935
Speaker 2: look at some of the total span sheds. What's the

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01:17:38,015 --> 01:17:40,255
Speaker 2: best way to see the wonderful work.

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01:17:40,095 --> 01:17:40,415
Speaker 4: That you do.

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01:17:41,975 --> 01:17:44,815
Speaker 16: In Total span dot cota injed and there's a serge

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01:17:44,895 --> 01:17:48,535
Speaker 16: array of images there. There's a link to the Corimandal

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01:17:48,615 --> 01:17:51,375
Speaker 16: web page within that and there's some fantastic photos of

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01:17:51,695 --> 01:17:56,855
Speaker 16: past and present products and past Sorry, I'll redo that

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01:17:58,615 --> 01:18:01,695
Speaker 16: Total Span dot cot inzed. Head straight to the corimandal

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01:18:02,095 --> 01:18:04,775
Speaker 16: web page and there's some great photos of past and

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01:18:05,015 --> 01:18:07,215
Speaker 16: present projects with tribal ward set outs.

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01:18:07,495 --> 01:18:11,735
Speaker 2: Fantastic. Really appreciate your time this morning. That's Kyle Shepard

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01:18:11,775 --> 01:18:14,975
Speaker 2: from Total Span and Coromandal. To check out Dukean's Facebook

1390
01:18:15,055 --> 01:18:19,215
Speaker 2: page for some trib ard TGV examples by Kyl's team,

1391
01:18:19,495 --> 01:18:23,855
Speaker 2: go to Facebook. TGV lining and fixing details are available

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01:18:23,935 --> 01:18:25,975
Speaker 2: at JNL dot co dot nz.

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01:18:27,095 --> 01:18:30,255
Speaker 1: Whether you're painting the ceiling fixings or wondering how to

1394
01:18:30,335 --> 01:18:32,975
Speaker 1: fix that hole in the wall. Give Peter Wolfcap call

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01:18:33,175 --> 01:18:36,255
Speaker 1: on eighty the resident.

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01:18:35,935 --> 01:18:39,335
Speaker 2: Builder on Newstalks edb year with news talks, it'd be

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01:18:39,735 --> 01:18:42,375
Speaker 2: eight hundred eighty ten eighty. What a couple of minutes

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01:18:42,415 --> 01:18:44,215
Speaker 2: before the news if you want to sneak and quickly,

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01:18:44,295 --> 01:18:46,655
Speaker 2: Otherwise I'll deal to a whole bunch of texts that

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01:18:46,775 --> 01:18:50,775
Speaker 2: have come through from various conversations that we've had this morning.

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01:18:52,495 --> 01:18:55,175
Speaker 2: A lot of conversation about extraction, a lot of conversation

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01:18:55,255 --> 01:19:01,135
Speaker 2: about condensation, in what types of sort of window makeup,

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01:19:01,975 --> 01:19:05,255
Speaker 2: combination of different elements that go into making windows, what

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01:19:05,735 --> 01:19:08,415
Speaker 2: works better, And even in some cases where they've put

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01:19:08,455 --> 01:19:12,295
Speaker 2: in the theoretically the right type of joinery, they've still

1406
01:19:12,295 --> 01:19:14,495
Speaker 2: got condensation. So let's race through a couple of these.

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01:19:15,415 --> 01:19:19,695
Speaker 2: I've seen condensation on thermally broken kitchen units. I think

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01:19:19,775 --> 01:19:22,815
Speaker 2: we're talking windows new bills six months old. It's important

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01:19:22,815 --> 01:19:25,855
Speaker 2: to understand that moisture is still produced by cooking, breathing

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01:19:26,255 --> 01:19:29,175
Speaker 2: and needs to be extracted somehow. Very very good point.

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01:19:29,215 --> 01:19:33,575
Speaker 2: You're absolutely right. So even if you've put in what

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01:19:33,695 --> 01:19:37,775
Speaker 2: we now call thermally broken aluminium joinery, you may still

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01:19:37,935 --> 01:19:40,095
Speaker 2: end up with condensation inside the house in the same

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01:19:40,135 --> 01:19:42,735
Speaker 2: way you might get consation inside the house if you've

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01:19:42,775 --> 01:19:45,495
Speaker 2: got timber joinery. If you're not doing a good job

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01:19:45,575 --> 01:19:49,415
Speaker 2: of extracting all of that moisture laden air, that tends

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01:19:49,495 --> 01:19:52,895
Speaker 2: to happen. So if you dry your clothes inside, for example,

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01:19:54,135 --> 01:19:56,775
Speaker 2: you know, if you've taken clothes out of the washing machine,

1419
01:19:57,175 --> 01:19:59,215
Speaker 2: you bring it inside and you hang it over a

1420
01:19:59,415 --> 01:20:02,695
Speaker 2: clothes source inside the house. Feel the weight of it, right,

1421
01:20:02,855 --> 01:20:06,495
Speaker 2: that's moisture. So as it dries, it becomes light. That

1422
01:20:06,655 --> 01:20:10,775
Speaker 2: moisture goes somewhere. It goes into the environment inside the house.

1423
01:20:11,535 --> 01:20:13,495
Speaker 2: And if you don't have doors and windows open, or

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01:20:13,495 --> 01:20:15,655
Speaker 2: if you don't have an extractor running, that's going to

1425
01:20:15,735 --> 01:20:19,455
Speaker 2: hang around inside the house and may present as condensation

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01:20:19,615 --> 01:20:24,655
Speaker 2: later on. So yeah, you're right. Extraction from wet areas bathrooms,

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01:20:24,735 --> 01:20:30,535
Speaker 2: for example, and good extraction, effective extraction over cooking surfaces,

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01:20:30,935 --> 01:20:33,815
Speaker 2: from laundries. Those sorts of things are important as well.

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01:20:34,135 --> 01:20:38,575
Speaker 2: All of these things are interconnected. So good point about

1430
01:20:38,615 --> 01:20:42,975
Speaker 2: the extraction and similar question someone's text through, Hey, just

1431
01:20:43,095 --> 01:20:45,895
Speaker 2: hear'd you talking about the joinery. We've got thermally broken

1432
01:20:46,015 --> 01:20:49,175
Speaker 2: lowy installed, six year old house. We've still got condensation.

1433
01:20:50,775 --> 01:20:52,535
Speaker 2: Had the builders and the joiners out, they got all

1434
01:20:52,535 --> 01:20:55,455
Speaker 2: the excuses, but no answers. Just to clarify, the thermal

1435
01:20:55,535 --> 01:20:58,695
Speaker 2: bracks should not condensate. We have a couple of opening

1436
01:20:58,775 --> 01:21:02,655
Speaker 2: corners and the architectural joinery and they never condensate. It's

1437
01:21:02,775 --> 01:21:05,855
Speaker 2: about controlling your internal moisture as well, so in that

1438
01:21:05,935 --> 01:21:08,655
Speaker 2: instance you've got to do the extraction. Also, you've got

1439
01:21:08,695 --> 01:21:10,455
Speaker 2: to make sure that the house doesn't get too cold,

1440
01:21:10,695 --> 01:21:13,175
Speaker 2: because a cold house is going to get more condensation

1441
01:21:13,735 --> 01:21:15,975
Speaker 2: than a warmer house. So if you're not heating properly

1442
01:21:16,375 --> 01:21:18,735
Speaker 2: and then you're not moving that air around, then you're

1443
01:21:18,815 --> 01:21:21,735
Speaker 2: going to get problems with condensation as well. We talked

1444
01:21:21,735 --> 01:21:25,655
Speaker 2: about extraction. This is off the back of Roger who

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01:21:25,775 --> 01:21:28,895
Speaker 2: had a cook top and then wanted extraction in the

1446
01:21:29,095 --> 01:21:34,575
Speaker 2: electrician I've found out who came has installed a ceiling fan. Basically, Now,

1447
01:21:35,375 --> 01:21:38,695
Speaker 2: whether or not a ceiling fan at what one point

1448
01:21:38,775 --> 01:21:41,975
Speaker 2: eight meters above a cook top is actually going to

1449
01:21:42,055 --> 01:21:45,215
Speaker 2: do much to extract that probably not as much as

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01:21:45,255 --> 01:21:48,455
Speaker 2: a conventional sort of range should extractor unit that typically

1451
01:21:48,535 --> 01:21:50,975
Speaker 2: sits about seven hundred mil above the bench top, so

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01:21:51,415 --> 01:21:54,335
Speaker 2: there's a few problems there. And then I love this

1453
01:21:54,775 --> 01:21:58,375
Speaker 2: comment as well about extraction. Air hates corners, so straight

1454
01:21:58,455 --> 01:22:01,695
Speaker 2: runs are better than a long and winding road for

1455
01:22:01,775 --> 01:22:05,215
Speaker 2: the extraction. We are back straight after New Sport and Weather,

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01:22:05,375 --> 01:22:08,255
Speaker 2: including a bit of a dive into this building confidence

1457
01:22:08,375 --> 01:22:10,935
Speaker 2: survey done by EBOS. We'll talk to Matt dooda in

1458
01:22:11,095 --> 01:22:16,775
Speaker 2: just a moment, squeaky door or squeaky floor.

1459
01:22:17,015 --> 01:22:20,295
Speaker 1: Get the right advice from Peter Wolfcare, the resident builder

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01:22:20,575 --> 01:22:22,615
Speaker 1: on News Talks B your.

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01:22:22,575 --> 01:22:25,175
Speaker 2: News Talks B. If you've got a building question, Oh,

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01:22:25,255 --> 01:22:28,135
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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01:22:28,215 --> 01:22:31,455
Speaker 2: We're talking all things building and construction through to I

1464
01:22:31,575 --> 01:22:33,495
Speaker 2: don't know, let's call it eight thirty. Then we'll jump

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01:22:33,535 --> 01:22:36,655
Speaker 2: into the garden with a root climb past and we

1466
01:22:36,815 --> 01:22:39,415
Speaker 2: will we will be talking gardening, will be talking the

1467
01:22:39,455 --> 01:22:42,335
Speaker 2: wonderful world of bugs and just a moment we're going

1468
01:22:42,415 --> 01:22:45,255
Speaker 2: to try we'll connect in with Matt Duda from Ebos.

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01:22:45,335 --> 01:22:47,695
Speaker 2: It was a story that I picked up on during

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01:22:47,735 --> 01:22:50,295
Speaker 2: the course of the week and happened to sit next

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01:22:50,295 --> 01:22:52,175
Speaker 2: to him at one of the seminars at Building Z

1472
01:22:52,415 --> 01:22:54,695
Speaker 2: this week as well, and then rang him and said, look,

1473
01:22:54,695 --> 01:22:56,775
Speaker 2: I wouldn't mind talking about this, So he's a bit

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01:22:56,815 --> 01:23:02,495
Speaker 2: of the background. It's basically a building set or builders

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01:23:02,735 --> 01:23:05,375
Speaker 2: sentiment survey, and they've started to do this over the

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01:23:05,455 --> 01:23:08,255
Speaker 2: last couple of years. It was released to the public

1477
01:23:08,695 --> 01:23:11,935
Speaker 2: on the sixteenth of July, so the headline details is

1478
01:23:12,495 --> 01:23:15,935
Speaker 2: that the survey shows that the market remains tough. Average

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01:23:16,135 --> 01:23:20,055
Speaker 2: business capacity has dropped to sixty four percent from sixty

1480
01:23:20,135 --> 01:23:23,255
Speaker 2: seven percent last year, and a quarter of builders are

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01:23:23,375 --> 01:23:28,615
Speaker 2: operating at less than fifty percent capacity. Despite this, the

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01:23:28,735 --> 01:23:32,895
Speaker 2: rate of decline in demand has slowed. Net demand sentiment

1483
01:23:33,055 --> 01:23:36,335
Speaker 2: has improved from negative fifty five and twenty twenty four

1484
01:23:36,775 --> 01:23:39,655
Speaker 2: to negative thirty three, so we're still in the negatives

1485
01:23:39,695 --> 01:23:42,775
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five, and twenty two percent of builders

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01:23:42,815 --> 01:23:46,135
Speaker 2: say that demand has been up over the last twelve months,

1487
01:23:46,295 --> 01:23:50,335
Speaker 2: versus only twelve percent who indicated that in twenty twenty four.

1488
01:23:50,775 --> 01:23:54,095
Speaker 2: So larger businesses, so let's say eleven to fifty employees,

1489
01:23:54,175 --> 01:23:58,655
Speaker 2: are showing the most optimism, while sole practitioners and small

1490
01:23:58,735 --> 01:24:02,135
Speaker 2: businesses remain the most effective. So effected. So we're going

1491
01:24:02,175 --> 01:24:03,815
Speaker 2: to have a bit of a chat with Matt about

1492
01:24:03,975 --> 01:24:07,855
Speaker 2: the details of that and pick some of that information.

1493
01:24:08,135 --> 01:24:10,855
Speaker 2: A couple of texts, including one I got from Damien

1494
01:24:11,055 --> 01:24:13,815
Speaker 2: just because I know him and I know that listens

1495
01:24:13,815 --> 01:24:15,735
Speaker 2: to the show, which is awesome. Damien's part of the

1496
01:24:16,375 --> 01:24:20,295
Speaker 2: super home movement. We're talking about condensation, and he's flicked

1497
01:24:20,335 --> 01:24:23,055
Speaker 2: me a text directly, which I really appreciate. And I've

1498
01:24:23,095 --> 01:24:24,575
Speaker 2: got a bunch of texts that have come in on

1499
01:24:24,735 --> 01:24:30,855
Speaker 2: nine two nine two. Condensation on Newman windows is also

1500
01:24:31,175 --> 01:24:34,015
Speaker 2: often caused because they're still being installed out of the

1501
01:24:34,255 --> 01:24:37,615
Speaker 2: outside of the cavity rather than in line with the insulation.

1502
01:24:38,095 --> 01:24:41,215
Speaker 2: So if you've got thermally broken joinery and it's hanging

1503
01:24:41,295 --> 01:24:44,095
Speaker 2: out in the fresh air because we're putting stuff on

1504
01:24:44,135 --> 01:24:47,215
Speaker 2: a cavity and we're hanging out double glazing right outside there,

1505
01:24:47,655 --> 01:24:51,255
Speaker 2: so at that point the thermally broken element has been

1506
01:24:51,535 --> 01:24:56,335
Speaker 2: rendered in Damien's words, pointless, you're absolutely right. Have a look.

1507
01:24:56,455 --> 01:24:58,415
Speaker 2: I mean, brands have got some really good stuff. Super

1508
01:24:58,455 --> 01:25:01,655
Speaker 2: home Movement in their guides have got some really good

1509
01:25:01,655 --> 01:25:05,375
Speaker 2: stuff about how we need to put our windows together. Basically,

1510
01:25:05,535 --> 01:25:08,415
Speaker 2: this is the common You've got the double glazing, you've

1511
01:25:08,455 --> 01:25:11,895
Speaker 2: got the frames, and if you're on a thermally effective frame,

1512
01:25:11,975 --> 01:25:16,615
Speaker 2: whether it's timber uPVC, thermally broken aluminium, where you put

1513
01:25:16,655 --> 01:25:19,175
Speaker 2: it in relation to the actual wall that's got all

1514
01:25:19,215 --> 01:25:22,575
Speaker 2: your insulation in it as well is actually really really important.

1515
01:25:22,655 --> 01:25:25,495
Speaker 2: And actually talking about the super home movement because I

1516
01:25:25,615 --> 01:25:30,055
Speaker 2: mentioned them every now and then, and I was first

1517
01:25:30,095 --> 01:25:34,175
Speaker 2: sort of introduced to them probably about ten years ago. Well,

1518
01:25:34,175 --> 01:25:36,815
Speaker 2: it must be ten years ago because they're celebrating ten years,

1519
01:25:37,695 --> 01:25:41,415
Speaker 2: which is awesome. So I remember going down to christ

1520
01:25:41,535 --> 01:25:43,415
Speaker 2: Church to have a look at a house that was

1521
01:25:43,495 --> 01:25:46,695
Speaker 2: going to be one of New Zealand's first ten star

1522
01:25:47,215 --> 01:25:52,135
Speaker 2: Home Star rated homes and that was interesting because when

1523
01:25:52,175 --> 01:25:56,495
Speaker 2: I did the initial Home Star program for Home Star practitioners,

1524
01:25:57,015 --> 01:25:59,655
Speaker 2: the people taking the course said, we don't think that

1525
01:25:59,735 --> 01:26:02,495
Speaker 2: we'll ever see a ten star house in New Zealand. Well,

1526
01:26:02,695 --> 01:26:06,855
Speaker 2: the good news is we do. And we're going to

1527
01:26:06,935 --> 01:26:10,175
Speaker 2: have a chat with Dan Saunders, who's a builder involved

1528
01:26:10,215 --> 01:26:12,495
Speaker 2: in the super home movement, next week on the show,

1529
01:26:12,655 --> 01:26:15,215
Speaker 2: so we're looking forward to that as well. But their

1530
01:26:15,295 --> 01:26:18,975
Speaker 2: Healthy Home Guide has got examples of how you can

1531
01:26:19,055 --> 01:26:24,655
Speaker 2: build better beyond the building code better practice, making sure

1532
01:26:24,695 --> 01:26:28,575
Speaker 2: that your double glazed units and your thermally efficient joinery

1533
01:26:28,775 --> 01:26:31,975
Speaker 2: is tucked in nicely it's what they call recess joinery,

1534
01:26:32,055 --> 01:26:34,175
Speaker 2: or it's in line with the insulation in the walls.

1535
01:26:34,975 --> 01:26:38,655
Speaker 2: Because you're right, Damien's right. Lots of building scientists are right.

1536
01:26:38,735 --> 01:26:43,095
Speaker 2: If we've got thermally broken joinery of whatever description and

1537
01:26:43,215 --> 01:26:45,255
Speaker 2: it's hanging outside and then you've got a great big

1538
01:26:45,335 --> 01:26:47,895
Speaker 2: gap around it because you've pushed that right to the outside.

1539
01:26:47,935 --> 01:26:50,775
Speaker 2: Because you've got a cavity, well, then the effectiveness of

1540
01:26:50,855 --> 01:26:54,615
Speaker 2: it is much diminished. And also just on the super

1541
01:26:54,695 --> 01:26:58,095
Speaker 2: home movement before we talk to Matt from EBOS, they

1542
01:26:58,135 --> 01:27:03,335
Speaker 2: are working on and will release shortly a renovation guide.

1543
01:27:03,815 --> 01:27:05,895
Speaker 2: So much of the super home movement is focused on

1544
01:27:06,735 --> 01:27:10,455
Speaker 2: getting that right now. They've done a whole lot of

1545
01:27:10,575 --> 01:27:15,535
Speaker 2: research around existing homes, including breaking it down by age.

1546
01:27:15,695 --> 01:27:17,575
Speaker 2: Let's say, so, if you've got a villa, what can

1547
01:27:17,655 --> 01:27:19,295
Speaker 2: you do? If you've got a bungalow, what can you do?

1548
01:27:19,415 --> 01:27:23,175
Speaker 2: If you've got a x staty from the nineteen forties?

1549
01:27:23,215 --> 01:27:25,455
Speaker 2: What do you do if you've got a sort of

1550
01:27:25,935 --> 01:27:27,575
Speaker 2: you know, house that was built let's say in the

1551
01:27:27,695 --> 01:27:30,695
Speaker 2: nineteen sixties that kind of feels modern, but it performs

1552
01:27:30,775 --> 01:27:32,375
Speaker 2: like an old villa, what do you do? So that

1553
01:27:32,575 --> 01:27:35,215
Speaker 2: super Home Guide, as soon as I hear that it's out,

1554
01:27:35,295 --> 01:27:37,975
Speaker 2: I will certainly let you know. Right, let's go back

1555
01:27:38,015 --> 01:27:41,495
Speaker 2: and have a look at this survey, the sentiment, and

1556
01:27:41,615 --> 01:27:44,335
Speaker 2: it's my great pleasure to welcome to the program. Matt

1557
01:27:44,535 --> 01:27:46,735
Speaker 2: Duda from EBOS. Thanks for your time this morning.

1558
01:27:46,775 --> 01:27:49,255
Speaker 4: Matt, Hey, Pete, good morning.

1559
01:27:49,415 --> 01:27:51,535
Speaker 2: Nice yeah, yeah, nice to talk to you too, And

1560
01:27:52,135 --> 01:27:53,895
Speaker 2: I mean we ended up sitting next to each other

1561
01:27:53,935 --> 01:27:56,015
Speaker 2: at the seminar but didn't get a chance to chat.

1562
01:27:56,055 --> 01:27:59,295
Speaker 2: And then I saw this story that came out, and

1563
01:28:00,215 --> 01:28:02,575
Speaker 2: so just tell us about the survey. What is it

1564
01:28:02,695 --> 01:28:05,695
Speaker 2: that you're looking to investigate when you go out and

1565
01:28:05,815 --> 01:28:08,815
Speaker 2: talk to how many builders? What level of you know,

1566
01:28:08,895 --> 01:28:12,055
Speaker 2: we're talking really big firms, one man bands. Who are

1567
01:28:12,055 --> 01:28:14,335
Speaker 2: you talking to and what's the survey about?

1568
01:28:15,975 --> 01:28:19,055
Speaker 4: Yeah? Right, So we started this three years ago and

1569
01:28:19,135 --> 01:28:23,135
Speaker 4: the intention was ready to create an annual insight into

1570
01:28:23,175 --> 01:28:26,855
Speaker 4: the building industry. So we partnered up with brands and

1571
01:28:27,015 --> 01:28:29,695
Speaker 4: certified builders, YEP and SOOT. It'd be a really good

1572
01:28:29,735 --> 01:28:32,615
Speaker 4: idea to every year just check him with a whole

1573
01:28:32,695 --> 01:28:36,895
Speaker 4: bunch of builders and think about how's the market, how

1574
01:28:36,935 --> 01:28:40,375
Speaker 4: does it compare to twelve months ago? Yes, and what

1575
01:28:40,495 --> 01:28:43,095
Speaker 4: are your thoughts around what the future looks like and

1576
01:28:43,255 --> 01:28:45,175
Speaker 4: what are some of the things that holding the industry back?

1577
01:28:46,415 --> 01:28:48,935
Speaker 4: And so in May we went out and surveyed four

1578
01:28:49,015 --> 01:28:52,055
Speaker 4: hundred and thirty building firms and got their views on that.

1579
01:28:53,895 --> 01:28:57,735
Speaker 2: And the range is some you know, small to medium enterprises,

1580
01:28:57,815 --> 01:29:00,295
Speaker 2: so you know a guy with you know, a building

1581
01:29:00,335 --> 01:29:03,855
Speaker 2: owner with a couple of workers through to some teams

1582
01:29:03,895 --> 01:29:06,135
Speaker 2: that have got like fifty employees for example, So it's

1583
01:29:06,135 --> 01:29:06,975
Speaker 2: a broad range.

1584
01:29:07,855 --> 01:29:10,775
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right. So this is kind of where I

1585
01:29:10,775 --> 01:29:13,535
Speaker 4: suppose when we get into the findings, we'd see that

1586
01:29:13,615 --> 01:29:17,535
Speaker 4: there's quite a different market depending on where you're building,

1587
01:29:17,615 --> 01:29:20,335
Speaker 4: where you live, and also the size of the firm.

1588
01:29:20,775 --> 01:29:23,615
Speaker 4: And just remember in New Zealand, the majority of firms

1589
01:29:23,815 --> 01:29:27,815
Speaker 4: actually have less than five employees. Yeah, and so that's

1590
01:29:27,975 --> 01:29:30,535
Speaker 4: that's that's the big end of the market that we're

1591
01:29:30,615 --> 01:29:34,615
Speaker 4: interested in. And I suppose we start getting into the details,

1592
01:29:35,215 --> 01:29:38,375
Speaker 4: are the ones who we see are finding it toughest

1593
01:29:38,575 --> 01:29:39,095
Speaker 4: at present.

1594
01:29:39,695 --> 01:29:42,775
Speaker 2: So what I'm intrigued about is this capacity thing. So

1595
01:29:43,295 --> 01:29:46,935
Speaker 2: the survey says that the market remains tough. Average business

1596
01:29:47,015 --> 01:29:50,175
Speaker 2: capacity has dropped to sixty four percent from sixty seven

1597
01:29:50,295 --> 01:29:53,535
Speaker 2: last year. Quarter of builders are operating at less than

1598
01:29:53,615 --> 01:29:56,855
Speaker 2: fifty percent capacity. So when you say fifty percent capacity,

1599
01:29:56,935 --> 01:29:58,775
Speaker 2: does that mean they could do double the amount of

1600
01:29:58,855 --> 01:30:01,015
Speaker 2: work to get back to where they were a couple

1601
01:30:01,055 --> 01:30:02,255
Speaker 2: of years ago? Is that the sense?

1602
01:30:02,575 --> 01:30:05,935
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right, And so we back we in twenty

1603
01:30:05,975 --> 01:30:09,095
Speaker 4: twenty three when the market was going it was really

1604
01:30:09,215 --> 01:30:13,095
Speaker 4: strong eighty three percent capacity we think about that drop

1605
01:30:13,255 --> 01:30:16,335
Speaker 4: down to sixty three. I suppose we need to bear

1606
01:30:16,375 --> 01:30:18,215
Speaker 4: in minders that a lot of these firms have already

1607
01:30:18,255 --> 01:30:22,975
Speaker 4: shed staff as well, right, So it's you know, the

1608
01:30:23,095 --> 01:30:27,335
Speaker 4: market is contracted extremely quickly, and we've just got a

1609
01:30:27,415 --> 01:30:31,335
Speaker 4: lot of builders out there now who really could do

1610
01:30:31,495 --> 01:30:34,375
Speaker 4: effectively double the work that they're doing right now. So

1611
01:30:34,535 --> 01:30:37,495
Speaker 4: I think things are strong message anyone who's thinking about

1612
01:30:38,375 --> 01:30:42,295
Speaker 4: engaging a builder, and there should be some great builders

1613
01:30:42,295 --> 01:30:44,255
Speaker 4: available now that can start work quite quickly.

1614
01:30:44,615 --> 01:30:47,015
Speaker 2: Yeah, which, you know, I think back a couple of

1615
01:30:47,095 --> 01:30:49,295
Speaker 2: years ago, you'd be lucky if someone answered the phone.

1616
01:30:50,375 --> 01:30:53,455
Speaker 4: Oh that's right, yep, yep, absolutely, And we're seeing that

1617
01:30:53,575 --> 01:30:56,575
Speaker 4: across the other sub trades as well. So we've had

1618
01:30:56,615 --> 01:31:01,935
Speaker 4: some feedback from plumbers and electricians, you know, both commenting

1619
01:31:02,055 --> 01:31:04,695
Speaker 4: that they're finding the same impact as well at the moment.

1620
01:31:05,375 --> 01:31:08,855
Speaker 2: And now talking about apprentices you mentioned the number of

1621
01:31:08,975 --> 01:31:12,015
Speaker 2: people who are doing who are actively involved in apprenticeships

1622
01:31:12,095 --> 01:31:15,535
Speaker 2: for plumbing and electrical in particular, and to be fair,

1623
01:31:15,655 --> 01:31:17,735
Speaker 2: I was a little bit shocked by the numbers. Tell

1624
01:31:17,815 --> 01:31:18,535
Speaker 2: us a bit more about that.

1625
01:31:20,335 --> 01:31:24,655
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we just when we saw the impact on

1626
01:31:25,455 --> 01:31:28,335
Speaker 4: carpenter builder apprentices. In the survey, we reached out to

1627
01:31:28,455 --> 01:31:34,375
Speaker 4: master plumbers and also to metro organizations to see if

1628
01:31:34,495 --> 01:31:38,255
Speaker 4: they were having you know, they were seeing the same thing.

1629
01:31:38,335 --> 01:31:43,655
Speaker 4: And yeah, so plumbing apprenticeships down fifty percent they were

1630
01:31:44,055 --> 01:31:47,015
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty three, and we've actually got the lowest

1631
01:31:47,095 --> 01:31:53,095
Speaker 4: number of electrical apprenticeships since twenty eleven. And so see

1632
01:31:53,135 --> 01:31:56,215
Speaker 4: the suggestion there is that you know, once we actually

1633
01:31:57,255 --> 01:32:00,735
Speaker 4: see the market start to move and our viewers at

1634
01:32:01,895 --> 01:32:05,495
Speaker 4: this level of new build activities going to hang around

1635
01:32:05,615 --> 01:32:09,895
Speaker 4: for a while, right, But when that does slowly lift,

1636
01:32:11,495 --> 01:32:15,255
Speaker 4: we're going to be seeing incredibly quickly of shortage and

1637
01:32:15,415 --> 01:32:21,375
Speaker 4: skilled professionals in the industry. I saw something from the

1638
01:32:21,455 --> 01:32:24,455
Speaker 4: Electrical Association that though I think it's up to twenty

1639
01:32:24,495 --> 01:32:28,135
Speaker 4: percent of their members are retiring annually, they've just got right,

1640
01:32:28,295 --> 01:32:34,775
Speaker 4: this is usually aged workforce. And so again anyone who's

1641
01:32:34,895 --> 01:32:38,855
Speaker 4: thinking about changing career, I think in a few years

1642
01:32:38,935 --> 01:32:40,495
Speaker 4: time there's going to be some great opportunities in the

1643
01:32:40,535 --> 01:32:41,575
Speaker 4: building industry.

1644
01:32:41,495 --> 01:32:44,455
Speaker 2: And I think similar numbers in terms of plumbing apprentices

1645
01:32:44,535 --> 01:32:47,735
Speaker 2: there's a remarkable drop in the number of people doing

1646
01:32:47,815 --> 01:32:51,255
Speaker 2: plumbing apprentices And then I remember talking with the master

1647
01:32:51,335 --> 01:32:53,335
Speaker 2: plumbers years ago. You know, the average age of a

1648
01:32:53,375 --> 01:32:56,415
Speaker 2: plumber is something like in their late fifties early sixties, right,

1649
01:32:56,535 --> 01:32:59,415
Speaker 2: So you know, can we see what's going to happen

1650
01:32:59,455 --> 01:33:01,175
Speaker 2: in the future year we can there's going to be

1651
01:33:01,215 --> 01:33:02,095
Speaker 2: a desperate shortage.

1652
01:33:03,095 --> 01:33:06,255
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right. I think there's less than four hundred

1653
01:33:06,335 --> 01:33:08,655
Speaker 4: it's plumbing apprentices in New Zealand at the moment.

1654
01:33:11,495 --> 01:33:18,335
Speaker 2: Okay, in the survey, is there any good news? I

1655
01:33:19,015 --> 01:33:21,095
Speaker 2: think you know, at Building z for the last couple

1656
01:33:21,135 --> 01:33:24,215
Speaker 2: of days and talking to people, everyone's looking for green shoots.

1657
01:33:24,255 --> 01:33:27,935
Speaker 2: But are they out there and are they going to grow?

1658
01:33:28,015 --> 01:33:28,775
Speaker 2: What's your sense?

1659
01:33:30,535 --> 01:33:35,135
Speaker 4: Well, look, if we just look I think everything we

1660
01:33:35,255 --> 01:33:37,175
Speaker 4: do we need to be constructive and this is not

1661
01:33:37,295 --> 01:33:42,375
Speaker 4: about beating up the industry. We just need to look

1662
01:33:42,415 --> 01:33:45,895
Speaker 4: at what are the drivers for new construction. And at

1663
01:33:45,935 --> 01:33:49,735
Speaker 4: the moment, I've got record levels of you know, probably

1664
01:33:50,135 --> 01:33:52,375
Speaker 4: house listings in New Zealand. When we come out of

1665
01:33:52,415 --> 01:33:56,415
Speaker 4: COVID there are I think fourteen thousand house listings nationwide.

1666
01:33:56,455 --> 01:33:57,815
Speaker 4: We're now at thirty two thousand.

1667
01:33:59,095 --> 01:33:59,255
Speaker 7: Right.

1668
01:34:00,375 --> 01:34:05,575
Speaker 4: What happens is that because we've got stock turn which

1669
01:34:05,695 --> 01:34:08,335
Speaker 4: is also at low levels. It means we're kind of

1670
01:34:08,375 --> 01:34:12,455
Speaker 4: building up this residual of housing stocks, so I yes,

1671
01:34:12,815 --> 01:34:15,895
Speaker 4: I think it makes people more hesitant to think about

1672
01:34:15,935 --> 01:34:18,295
Speaker 4: a new build when you know chances today you can

1673
01:34:18,335 --> 01:34:21,695
Speaker 4: probably find something that you can move into right now

1674
01:34:21,775 --> 01:34:24,215
Speaker 4: that currently exists, you can see in touch, so it's

1675
01:34:24,295 --> 01:34:28,695
Speaker 4: less risky. So I think that's happening. And then immigration

1676
01:34:28,975 --> 01:34:32,655
Speaker 4: people will know that, you know, that really has slowed

1677
01:34:32,735 --> 01:34:35,015
Speaker 4: down and that's been a great driver of demand for

1678
01:34:35,135 --> 01:34:39,415
Speaker 4: new construction. So we're really just building the houses that

1679
01:34:39,855 --> 01:34:42,175
Speaker 4: allow us to keep up with the natural population growth,

1680
01:34:42,255 --> 01:34:44,775
Speaker 4: which is sort of we're out at the moment. So

1681
01:34:44,935 --> 01:34:48,815
Speaker 4: for residential I think that the good news here is

1682
01:34:48,895 --> 01:34:51,975
Speaker 4: that what we saw on the survey is that although

1683
01:34:52,135 --> 01:34:55,695
Speaker 4: the environment is tough, builders seem to be more resilient

1684
01:34:55,735 --> 01:34:58,695
Speaker 4: and they were twelve months ago, so that all this uncertainty,

1685
01:34:58,895 --> 01:35:04,215
Speaker 4: they're actually handling that. And I think they're also looking

1686
01:35:04,215 --> 01:35:08,135
Speaker 4: in a wider variety of work, so that means that

1687
01:35:08,255 --> 01:35:11,255
Speaker 4: they're looking for alterations and additions where they might have

1688
01:35:11,375 --> 01:35:13,575
Speaker 4: just been concentrating on new builds or maybe doing some

1689
01:35:13,735 --> 01:35:18,935
Speaker 4: light commercial work. So there's that I suppose that resilience

1690
01:35:18,975 --> 01:35:22,255
Speaker 4: and adaptability that we pride ourselves on as a nation.

1691
01:35:22,415 --> 01:35:24,615
Speaker 4: It's definitely coming through what we see in the survey.

1692
01:35:25,855 --> 01:35:31,215
Speaker 4: Then in the commercial realm may well have seen that

1693
01:35:31,255 --> 01:35:32,015
Speaker 4: the government.

1694
01:35:32,015 --> 01:35:36,935
Speaker 2: Just year the school class fantastica great timing.

1695
01:35:36,735 --> 01:35:39,335
Speaker 4: So we've got that, and then we've also got the

1696
01:35:39,655 --> 01:35:42,335
Speaker 4: Regional Hospitals program, which is one hundred and ten projects

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01:35:42,375 --> 01:35:46,055
Speaker 4: over the next ten years. So there's commercial work that

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01:35:46,815 --> 01:35:48,935
Speaker 4: the builders who focused on that seem to be the

1699
01:35:48,975 --> 01:35:52,815
Speaker 4: most positive, right and have a positive outlook in the

1700
01:35:52,855 --> 01:35:56,215
Speaker 4: next twelve months. Actually there's something positive.

1701
01:35:56,695 --> 01:35:58,855
Speaker 2: I guess. I know, the survey has only been running

1702
01:35:58,975 --> 01:36:01,415
Speaker 2: three years, which is fair enough if you started then,

1703
01:36:01,495 --> 01:36:05,775
Speaker 2: But is there a sense for been in this game

1704
01:36:05,855 --> 01:36:08,855
Speaker 2: for sort of thirty years that we all got drunk

1705
01:36:08,895 --> 01:36:11,335
Speaker 2: on low interest rates and the post COVID thing was

1706
01:36:11,375 --> 01:36:14,175
Speaker 2: an anomaly, right, So that wasn't ever normal and we

1707
01:36:14,215 --> 01:36:16,975
Speaker 2: shouldn't regard it as normal. So if we cast our

1708
01:36:17,055 --> 01:36:19,815
Speaker 2: mind back ten years and looked at building consent numbers

1709
01:36:19,855 --> 01:36:22,735
Speaker 2: and people there, are we kind of at the same

1710
01:36:22,855 --> 01:36:25,735
Speaker 2: level or are we actually lower than those levels? I mean,

1711
01:36:26,015 --> 01:36:28,415
Speaker 2: you know, I was talking to architects last week and

1712
01:36:28,655 --> 01:36:32,135
Speaker 2: some are reporting that it's it's their worst year in

1713
01:36:32,415 --> 01:36:35,655
Speaker 2: fifty years. That's pretty severe.

1714
01:36:37,135 --> 01:36:37,335
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1715
01:36:37,415 --> 01:36:40,455
Speaker 4: Look, if we look at the data, building concent numbers

1716
01:36:40,535 --> 01:36:44,535
Speaker 4: take us back to twenty seventeen twenty eighteen levels. Yep,

1717
01:36:44,735 --> 01:36:47,815
Speaker 4: So you're right, we should just disregard the highst that

1718
01:36:47,855 --> 01:36:52,415
Speaker 4: we had ensure twenty one twenty two. Just what's happened

1719
01:36:52,575 --> 01:36:56,695
Speaker 4: is work has dried up so quickly. Yes, this winter

1720
01:36:56,895 --> 01:37:00,255
Speaker 4: hill is just you know, it's the speed that it's arrived.

1721
01:37:02,055 --> 01:37:04,495
Speaker 4: And remember many of these building firms are really forced

1722
01:37:05,215 --> 01:37:09,215
Speaker 4: to grow and grow quickly, Yes, because of just as

1723
01:37:09,255 --> 01:37:11,095
Speaker 4: we came out of COVID that the market was so

1724
01:37:11,295 --> 01:37:18,495
Speaker 4: hot and so yeah, this just feels like our capacity

1725
01:37:18,495 --> 01:37:21,495
Speaker 4: has had to grow and so it just feels like

1726
01:37:21,535 --> 01:37:25,255
Speaker 4: a very slow market. But we're actually back to what

1727
01:37:25,295 --> 01:37:27,695
Speaker 4: would have been a really healthy market a decade ago.

1728
01:37:30,935 --> 01:37:31,135
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1729
01:37:31,335 --> 01:37:36,735
Speaker 2: So how I mean going back to the optimism thing,

1730
01:37:36,775 --> 01:37:38,375
Speaker 2: because I think we've got to be at least a

1731
01:37:38,415 --> 01:37:40,855
Speaker 2: little bit positive. You've pointed out a couple of areas

1732
01:37:41,295 --> 01:37:44,135
Speaker 2: where you know, some of the larger scale projects, the

1733
01:37:44,215 --> 01:37:47,815
Speaker 2: infrastructure stuff, the hospitals, the schools, but the housing thing

1734
01:37:48,015 --> 01:37:50,575
Speaker 2: typically what we're expecting is it's going to be pretty flat.

1735
01:37:51,335 --> 01:37:52,895
Speaker 2: You know, everyone sort of hung on you know that

1736
01:37:53,015 --> 01:37:55,615
Speaker 2: survived to twenty five and then suddenly we realize we've

1737
01:37:55,615 --> 01:37:57,535
Speaker 2: got to get through twenty five, and now it sounds

1738
01:37:57,615 --> 01:38:00,855
Speaker 2: like we might actually as small to medium enterprises need

1739
01:38:00,975 --> 01:38:03,695
Speaker 2: to hang on through twenty six as well before we

1740
01:38:03,775 --> 01:38:07,655
Speaker 2: can see some turnaround, Pete.

1741
01:38:07,735 --> 01:38:14,575
Speaker 4: Unfortunately that you so, yeah, I think in terms of

1742
01:38:15,135 --> 01:38:18,375
Speaker 4: look at I'm focusing on new builds here, but psically

1743
01:38:19,335 --> 01:38:23,775
Speaker 4: renovation market with A and A alterations and editions as

1744
01:38:23,815 --> 01:38:26,255
Speaker 4: typically ten percent of the value of new builds. We

1745
01:38:26,495 --> 01:38:31,375
Speaker 4: see that as currently near fifteen percent and could grow.

1746
01:38:31,615 --> 01:38:35,055
Speaker 2: Actually okay, yes, so this is.

1747
01:38:35,135 --> 01:38:39,735
Speaker 4: Consented renovation work. Non consent of renovation work, we estimate

1748
01:38:40,295 --> 01:38:44,015
Speaker 4: probably valued at around thirty percent of new builds. Yes,

1749
01:38:45,575 --> 01:38:49,055
Speaker 4: So look, this is to come back to a point earlier.

1750
01:38:49,135 --> 01:38:54,655
Speaker 4: If there's any anyone listening who's thinking about doing something

1751
01:38:54,735 --> 01:38:58,495
Speaker 4: to their current house, you can get good people now

1752
01:38:58,935 --> 01:39:02,335
Speaker 4: at great labor rates. We've got a very very stable

1753
01:39:05,615 --> 01:39:10,575
Speaker 4: pricing and yes, building products, and so I do to

1754
01:39:10,655 --> 01:39:15,655
Speaker 4: anyone to think if they're on they're thinking about it

1755
01:39:15,815 --> 01:39:18,775
Speaker 4: now as a gloss top, you are never a better

1756
01:39:18,815 --> 01:39:20,935
Speaker 4: time to build them now. And yep, you know, with

1757
01:39:21,135 --> 01:39:25,095
Speaker 4: everything as it lies at the moment, that that's certainly

1758
01:39:25,215 --> 01:39:25,655
Speaker 4: very true.

1759
01:39:25,855 --> 01:39:28,655
Speaker 2: There's some evidence for it. Matt, thank you very much

1760
01:39:28,695 --> 01:39:31,135
Speaker 2: for your time this morning. Really really appreciate it. There's

1761
01:39:31,135 --> 01:39:34,215
Speaker 2: great insights, and I guess let's talk again the year

1762
01:39:34,295 --> 01:39:37,375
Speaker 2: when the new survey's out and hopefully there's a little

1763
01:39:37,375 --> 01:39:40,375
Speaker 2: bit of good news as well. But really appreciate it.

1764
01:39:40,535 --> 01:39:43,415
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Look, if anyone wants to find out more

1765
01:39:43,415 --> 01:39:47,135
Speaker 4: about the report, they can just go to z and

1766
01:39:47,455 --> 01:39:50,015
Speaker 4: look at build a Sentiment Report. It's free for them

1767
01:39:50,095 --> 01:39:52,615
Speaker 4: to download. But nice talking to your people.

1768
01:39:52,655 --> 01:39:55,255
Speaker 2: Ye'll see you next year, look forward to take care

1769
01:39:55,895 --> 01:39:58,255
Speaker 2: and again that's where I've been reading it. So just

1770
01:39:58,335 --> 01:40:01,975
Speaker 2: go to eboss so e like the letter e Boss

1771
01:40:02,055 --> 01:40:06,135
Speaker 2: dot co dot NZ. All the information's there. It's the

1772
01:40:06,295 --> 01:40:08,975
Speaker 2: this is great. This will be a really valuable resource,

1773
01:40:09,415 --> 01:40:11,255
Speaker 2: you know in years to come as well as that

1774
01:40:11,375 --> 01:40:14,735
Speaker 2: builds up to get a genuine insight into where are

1775
01:40:14,815 --> 01:40:18,375
Speaker 2: we at, what are the conditions those apprentice numbers might

1776
01:40:18,415 --> 01:40:20,415
Speaker 2: have to reach out to Greg Wallace from Master Plumbers

1777
01:40:20,455 --> 01:40:22,055
Speaker 2: a little bit of a chat about that, but that's

1778
01:40:23,855 --> 01:40:25,455
Speaker 2: you know, that's the riding on the wall, isn't it.

1779
01:40:25,535 --> 01:40:26,975
Speaker 2: You can see what's going to happen in a couple

1780
01:40:26,975 --> 01:40:30,375
Speaker 2: of years time, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. If

1781
01:40:30,455 --> 01:40:32,375
Speaker 2: you want to talk to rud we'll try and sneak

1782
01:40:32,415 --> 01:40:34,815
Speaker 2: in one more building call. We'll take a break and

1783
01:40:34,895 --> 01:40:36,895
Speaker 2: then we're into the garden with Red clin pass. So

1784
01:40:36,935 --> 01:40:38,975
Speaker 2: if you've got questions for Ridd you can call us

1785
01:40:39,015 --> 01:40:42,015
Speaker 2: now as well. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty helping you.

1786
01:40:42,215 --> 01:40:46,055
Speaker 1: Get those DIY projects done right the resident builder with

1787
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1788
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1789
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1790
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1809
01:42:07,255 --> 01:42:07,975
Speaker 2: turn the microphone on.

1810
01:42:08,095 --> 01:42:08,415
Speaker 11: There we go.

1811
01:42:08,655 --> 01:42:10,895
Speaker 2: Let's get into it. Folks. If you've got a question

1812
01:42:11,135 --> 01:42:15,095
Speaker 2: for Rid klimb Past, he is available and raring to go,

1813
01:42:15,295 --> 01:42:17,895
Speaker 2: wants to talk about all things gardening and the wonderful

1814
01:42:17,975 --> 01:42:20,775
Speaker 2: world of bugs as well. You can call us now. Oh,

1815
01:42:20,855 --> 01:42:25,495
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call. Rude,

1816
01:42:25,535 --> 01:42:26,095
Speaker 2: Are you with us?

1817
01:42:26,575 --> 01:42:27,335
Speaker 17: I am certainly.

1818
01:42:27,415 --> 01:42:27,735
Speaker 7: Of course.

1819
01:42:27,775 --> 01:42:28,495
Speaker 2: You're waiting the.

1820
01:42:30,255 --> 01:42:30,935
Speaker 17: Baited breath.

1821
01:42:31,055 --> 01:42:33,495
Speaker 2: I could hear it now. I tell you what, Before

1822
01:42:33,495 --> 01:42:36,215
Speaker 2: we rip into it, someone sent me an email which

1823
01:42:36,215 --> 01:42:39,455
Speaker 2: I forwarded on to you as well, about the moths.

1824
01:42:40,815 --> 01:42:44,055
Speaker 2: Here we go, wasps reeking have it? Hi, Pete, I'm

1825
01:42:44,095 --> 01:42:47,935
Speaker 2: from Moths and Butterflies of New Zealand Trust, not for

1826
01:42:48,175 --> 01:42:52,215
Speaker 2: profit conservation organization concerned with helping moths and butterfly. I

1827
01:42:52,295 --> 01:42:56,335
Speaker 2: got your details from Michael and the editorial. There's a

1828
01:42:56,495 --> 01:42:57,855
Speaker 2: survey that they're.

1829
01:42:57,695 --> 01:43:01,455
Speaker 17: Doing, survey, h the wasp survey.

1830
01:43:01,615 --> 01:43:06,335
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so was I think? So there we go, Yeah, rehab.

1831
01:43:05,975 --> 01:43:09,135
Speaker 18: It, Okay, that is there are so we've got quite

1832
01:43:09,135 --> 01:43:11,175
Speaker 18: a few. This is the Moths and Butterfly. This used

1833
01:43:11,215 --> 01:43:12,615
Speaker 18: to be Demonic Butterfly Trust.

1834
01:43:12,735 --> 01:43:12,895
Speaker 15: Ah.

1835
01:43:12,975 --> 01:43:15,055
Speaker 2: Okay, so Moths and Butterfly of New Zealand.

1836
01:43:15,055 --> 01:43:15,415
Speaker 7: You've got it.

1837
01:43:15,615 --> 01:43:16,215
Speaker 17: Yeah, you got it.

1838
01:43:16,415 --> 01:43:17,655
Speaker 18: So what they want to do is they want to

1839
01:43:17,695 --> 01:43:20,295
Speaker 18: do a survey on how many wasps of which species

1840
01:43:20,375 --> 01:43:22,935
Speaker 18: are where, et cetera, et cetera. And and that's so

1841
01:43:23,095 --> 01:43:25,095
Speaker 18: that's very simple. We've got the German wasp, we've got

1842
01:43:25,135 --> 01:43:28,975
Speaker 18: the common wasp, and then we have three species of

1843
01:43:29,575 --> 01:43:34,455
Speaker 18: paper wasps as well. And guess what MPI just alerted

1844
01:43:34,575 --> 01:43:37,375
Speaker 18: us last week or a week ago before that that

1845
01:43:37,495 --> 01:43:40,775
Speaker 18: there is another wasp that has been found in I

1846
01:43:40,895 --> 01:43:45,655
Speaker 18: think in Auckland. Only two observations so far. MPI would

1847
01:43:45,695 --> 01:43:49,455
Speaker 18: really like to know where they are and if there's

1848
01:43:49,655 --> 01:43:52,215
Speaker 18: any others. Yes, it's quite unlikely in the winter time,

1849
01:43:52,295 --> 01:43:55,655
Speaker 18: but there you go. It's just an idea. And so

1850
01:43:55,895 --> 01:43:58,375
Speaker 18: go and have a look on there MPI website and

1851
01:43:58,455 --> 01:44:01,215
Speaker 18: you'll find out exactly what that thing looks like. And

1852
01:44:01,295 --> 01:44:04,815
Speaker 18: I'll do a little more extensive thing on Jack Tam

1853
01:44:04,855 --> 01:44:05,655
Speaker 18: in a couple of weeks time.

1854
01:44:05,695 --> 01:44:08,815
Speaker 2: Anyway, brilliance. Right, Well, we've got a bunch of calls,

1855
01:44:08,895 --> 01:44:10,975
Speaker 2: a bunch of we need to talk. Let's let's rip

1856
01:44:11,015 --> 01:44:17,775
Speaker 2: into it. Rick A very good morning to you. Hello, Rick,

1857
01:44:18,735 --> 01:44:19,775
Speaker 2: Hello Space, Hello.

1858
01:44:20,095 --> 01:44:20,495
Speaker 10: Go for it.

1859
01:44:23,375 --> 01:44:25,775
Speaker 18: Yeah, it's rude, it's rude, but two u's in one

1860
01:44:25,855 --> 01:44:31,375
Speaker 18: d A rudd is an invasive fish. Just saying no, no,

1861
01:44:31,375 --> 01:44:33,935
Speaker 18: it's not okay, get on with it.

1862
01:44:34,095 --> 01:44:40,895
Speaker 19: Rick again, I have a question about praying mantiss. Yeah, yeah, okay,

1863
01:44:40,975 --> 01:44:44,175
Speaker 19: So the invasive species. Is there a way that we

1864
01:44:44,255 --> 01:44:47,135
Speaker 19: can get rid of them or is it like traps

1865
01:44:47,255 --> 01:44:47,615
Speaker 19: or anything.

1866
01:44:48,175 --> 01:44:50,535
Speaker 18: No, I don't think there is. And besides, you can

1867
01:44:50,575 --> 01:44:52,495
Speaker 18: try all you like. I think this is the thing

1868
01:44:52,575 --> 01:44:56,935
Speaker 18: that he's here to stay, if you like. I must say,

1869
01:44:57,175 --> 01:44:59,775
Speaker 18: there are just some people are doing some research at

1870
01:44:59,815 --> 01:45:02,775
Speaker 18: the moment on the native wasp as opposed to the

1871
01:45:03,895 --> 01:45:09,095
Speaker 18: the African wasp, but South African was called the springbok manted. Anyway,

1872
01:45:10,375 --> 01:45:13,135
Speaker 18: this thing is so well established around, especially in the

1873
01:45:13,255 --> 01:45:17,135
Speaker 18: north of New Zealand, that I don't see us doing

1874
01:45:17,295 --> 01:45:22,335
Speaker 18: any eradication of that thing forever. The second thing is

1875
01:45:22,415 --> 01:45:24,095
Speaker 18: and I must say that I've got a bit of

1876
01:45:24,175 --> 01:45:26,895
Speaker 18: a soft spot for that thing because it's the best

1877
01:45:27,095 --> 01:45:30,655
Speaker 18: mentors to have in captivity, work with kids at schools

1878
01:45:31,015 --> 01:45:33,975
Speaker 18: and teach them how to feed them by hand and

1879
01:45:34,135 --> 01:45:37,495
Speaker 18: things like that. It's actually quite cool, and I don't

1880
01:45:37,495 --> 01:45:41,135
Speaker 18: think they compete that much with our native wasp. I

1881
01:45:41,215 --> 01:45:43,975
Speaker 18: have the feeling they have slightly different areas where they

1882
01:45:44,055 --> 01:45:48,455
Speaker 18: live and where they prefer to live, like in gardens,

1883
01:45:48,495 --> 01:45:51,695
Speaker 18: which are modified, if you like, areas with in terms

1884
01:45:51,735 --> 01:45:54,855
Speaker 18: of plants and trees, whereas the native one tends to

1885
01:45:54,975 --> 01:45:57,935
Speaker 18: be more in native situations.

1886
01:45:58,575 --> 01:46:02,495
Speaker 17: So that's my idea. So leave them, Rick, I would say,

1887
01:46:04,935 --> 01:46:05,735
Speaker 17: does that make sense?

1888
01:46:07,215 --> 01:46:13,055
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think I was talking about the praying mantis. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah.

1889
01:46:13,095 --> 01:46:13,135
Speaker 10: No.

1890
01:46:13,695 --> 01:46:15,375
Speaker 7: The only place that I found them on our farmers

1891
01:46:15,415 --> 01:46:20,415
Speaker 7: actually on in the barbary hedges. Yeah, I was just running,

1892
01:46:20,495 --> 01:46:23,495
Speaker 7: But I have noticed the invasive ones actually attacked them

1893
01:46:23,535 --> 01:46:23,935
Speaker 7: and eat them.

1894
01:46:24,935 --> 01:46:25,215
Speaker 10: Have you.

1895
01:46:25,455 --> 01:46:26,735
Speaker 17: I have never seen that yet.

1896
01:46:27,215 --> 01:46:29,695
Speaker 18: That is interesting because that was another thing I was

1897
01:46:29,735 --> 01:46:31,255
Speaker 18: going to say, but I thought I wasn't going to

1898
01:46:31,535 --> 01:46:34,735
Speaker 18: take all the mickey out of everybody. I've never seen that,

1899
01:46:34,935 --> 01:46:37,535
Speaker 18: so I'm not too sure, but it could well happened

1900
01:46:37,575 --> 01:46:40,415
Speaker 18: because it's an aggressive field our property.

1901
01:46:41,015 --> 01:46:44,295
Speaker 7: Over ten years ago, there's some native ones around the house,

1902
01:46:44,495 --> 01:46:47,455
Speaker 7: and I just happened to come across that there was

1903
01:46:47,895 --> 01:46:52,015
Speaker 7: a silver one with silver wings was actually eating one

1904
01:46:52,055 --> 01:46:53,735
Speaker 7: of the native ones, and that sort of put me

1905
01:46:53,815 --> 01:46:55,775
Speaker 7: on the questory sort of try and get rid of them.

1906
01:46:56,375 --> 01:46:58,415
Speaker 17: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can see what you mean.

1907
01:46:59,135 --> 01:47:01,055
Speaker 18: I think if you have a lot of plants and

1908
01:47:01,175 --> 01:47:04,335
Speaker 18: trees that are of the native variety and nice and dense,

1909
01:47:04,775 --> 01:47:10,135
Speaker 18: you'll find that the uh, the african mantis will not

1910
01:47:11,335 --> 01:47:14,015
Speaker 18: like it as much as, for instance, a garden setting,

1911
01:47:14,215 --> 01:47:14,815
Speaker 18: you know what I mean.

1912
01:47:15,615 --> 01:47:17,495
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I understand that.

1913
01:47:17,935 --> 01:47:20,655
Speaker 18: Good observation. Though, thank you didn't know I did, well,

1914
01:47:20,695 --> 01:47:22,295
Speaker 18: I knew about it. I heard about it, but I've

1915
01:47:22,335 --> 01:47:22,895
Speaker 18: never seen it.

1916
01:47:24,415 --> 01:47:27,695
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was just very odd because I don't know, like, yeah,

1917
01:47:27,775 --> 01:47:30,375
Speaker 7: a lot of the schools and that they don't or

1918
01:47:30,495 --> 01:47:34,215
Speaker 7: kids in school don't know the difference between the invasive

1919
01:47:34,255 --> 01:47:35,255
Speaker 7: one and the native one.

1920
01:47:35,935 --> 01:47:41,215
Speaker 17: Correct the little blueish on the inside their arms.

1921
01:47:41,455 --> 01:47:43,775
Speaker 18: Of their front the front legs. That's right, lovely A.

1922
01:47:44,215 --> 01:47:46,855
Speaker 18: It's very nice to see. Hey, have you have you

1923
01:47:46,935 --> 01:47:50,575
Speaker 18: ever have you ever had some of those either natives

1924
01:47:50,735 --> 01:47:54,295
Speaker 18: or African ones egg cases that hatched.

1925
01:47:56,095 --> 01:47:59,895
Speaker 7: I used, I've seen one lay in egg case. I've

1926
01:47:59,935 --> 01:48:03,295
Speaker 7: never seen a native one, okay, not that I'm aware of,

1927
01:48:03,455 --> 01:48:05,815
Speaker 7: but I have seen the African one layer.

1928
01:48:07,255 --> 01:48:07,535
Speaker 17: Okay.

1929
01:48:07,895 --> 01:48:10,375
Speaker 18: What I always like is when they hatch from the eggs,

1930
01:48:10,815 --> 01:48:14,335
Speaker 18: these babies they run in all the rexes. They run

1931
01:48:14,535 --> 01:48:17,215
Speaker 18: like hell, and I've always wondered why that is. And

1932
01:48:17,295 --> 01:48:19,775
Speaker 18: the reason is usually the first meal they have is

1933
01:48:19,815 --> 01:48:20,775
Speaker 18: their brother or sister.

1934
01:48:22,855 --> 01:48:25,695
Speaker 17: Yeah, just saying.

1935
01:48:27,615 --> 01:48:33,495
Speaker 2: They're quick and the hungry for that wreck all the

1936
01:48:34,575 --> 01:48:37,135
Speaker 2: Take care and Gary, what's going on at your place?

1937
01:48:38,455 --> 01:48:39,375
Speaker 4: Good morning, gentlemen.

1938
01:48:39,935 --> 01:48:44,135
Speaker 20: I have a property at Mangifi Heads north of Auckland,

1939
01:48:44,775 --> 01:48:47,535
Speaker 20: and I have a situation with the birds. And these

1940
01:48:47,575 --> 01:48:49,775
Speaker 20: are the ones that are slightly bigger than the sparrows

1941
01:48:50,095 --> 01:48:52,695
Speaker 20: but are scratching my precious lawn right down to the

1942
01:48:53,375 --> 01:48:56,135
Speaker 20: soil and wondering if you could tell me why they'd

1943
01:48:56,175 --> 01:48:59,855
Speaker 20: be doing it for the first time ever and secretly,

1944
01:48:59,935 --> 01:49:00,895
Speaker 20: how I overcome it.

1945
01:49:01,415 --> 01:49:04,895
Speaker 17: If you have an answer, I might have an answer

1946
01:49:05,015 --> 01:49:07,095
Speaker 17: because it's Starling's is that they're doing it.

1947
01:49:07,895 --> 01:49:08,815
Speaker 6: Yes, it probably would be.

1948
01:49:08,975 --> 01:49:11,335
Speaker 18: Yes, the dark ones, the black ones were the lovely

1949
01:49:11,375 --> 01:49:14,375
Speaker 18: actually lovely, lovely, not soloment things like that.

1950
01:49:14,495 --> 01:49:14,735
Speaker 7: Lovely.

1951
01:49:14,895 --> 01:49:14,975
Speaker 15: Ye.

1952
01:49:16,415 --> 01:49:20,375
Speaker 17: The people are they are, they are the offenders, that's right.

1953
01:49:20,935 --> 01:49:24,655
Speaker 18: The reason is you have such a fabulously gorgeous lawn

1954
01:49:25,215 --> 01:49:30,335
Speaker 18: that the grass grub, which is a native beetle species,

1955
01:49:30,895 --> 01:49:33,975
Speaker 18: go into your lawn because it has got nice roots,

1956
01:49:34,015 --> 01:49:36,455
Speaker 18: and that's what they eat, the roots of grasses, and

1957
01:49:36,575 --> 01:49:38,855
Speaker 18: they go maybe two or three inches deep.

1958
01:49:39,335 --> 01:49:41,295
Speaker 17: At this time of the year, they're coming.

1959
01:49:41,135 --> 01:49:44,695
Speaker 18: More and more to the surface, and you can you

1960
01:49:44,815 --> 01:49:49,135
Speaker 18: can like it or love it. But these these stylings

1961
01:49:49,215 --> 01:49:52,015
Speaker 18: know exactly when they come to the surface and they say, ha,

1962
01:49:52,535 --> 01:49:55,215
Speaker 18: you know what, I'm going to Gary's place because he's

1963
01:49:55,255 --> 01:49:57,255
Speaker 18: got the best grass grubs in the world.

1964
01:49:58,215 --> 01:50:00,135
Speaker 17: So does that make sense?

1965
01:50:01,095 --> 01:50:02,935
Speaker 20: Yes, anything about it?

1966
01:50:03,415 --> 01:50:04,255
Speaker 2: Yes, you can believe.

1967
01:50:04,895 --> 01:50:07,335
Speaker 18: There are quite a few things like yates have got

1968
01:50:07,375 --> 01:50:12,255
Speaker 18: a grub and phina thing that actually kills those grubs

1969
01:50:12,695 --> 01:50:17,855
Speaker 18: right now. So it's grub and Phina parina is a

1970
01:50:17,935 --> 01:50:20,935
Speaker 18: caterpillar that lives in your lawn as well. Probably they

1971
01:50:21,055 --> 01:50:23,535
Speaker 18: might go for that too. So use that grubs and

1972
01:50:23,575 --> 01:50:27,455
Speaker 18: porhina stuff that Yates is making and spray your lawn

1973
01:50:27,535 --> 01:50:30,695
Speaker 18: with that, and you'll find that when these creatures have

1974
01:50:30,935 --> 01:50:35,775
Speaker 18: been annihilated, you'll find that the stylings know exactly are

1975
01:50:35,935 --> 01:50:38,415
Speaker 18: No gary is not that great anymore?

1976
01:50:40,415 --> 01:50:40,575
Speaker 16: Right?

1977
01:50:41,335 --> 01:50:42,295
Speaker 20: And is there once?

1978
01:50:42,415 --> 01:50:44,855
Speaker 4: Only applications do I need to do on a regular basis.

1979
01:50:45,455 --> 01:50:47,615
Speaker 18: I think you can do it with once now and

1980
01:50:47,735 --> 01:50:49,895
Speaker 18: maybe do it again in about three weeks time, two

1981
01:50:50,015 --> 01:50:52,295
Speaker 18: or three weeks time to make sure that you got

1982
01:50:52,375 --> 01:50:55,975
Speaker 18: most of them, because they all go upwards in their

1983
01:50:56,095 --> 01:50:58,055
Speaker 18: own tempo if you like, you know what I mean,

1984
01:50:58,095 --> 01:51:01,055
Speaker 18: when they're low down at the root zones they so

1985
01:51:01,215 --> 01:51:04,415
Speaker 18: this is a period of the year that they are

1986
01:51:04,495 --> 01:51:04,935
Speaker 18: coming up.

1987
01:51:05,255 --> 01:51:06,975
Speaker 17: So yes, it pays with again.

1988
01:51:07,135 --> 01:51:11,295
Speaker 20: Three weeks in a word, to pick the grass itself.

1989
01:51:11,415 --> 01:51:14,655
Speaker 17: No, because it's specifically made for those grass grubs. Yeah,

1990
01:51:16,295 --> 01:51:18,415
Speaker 17: thank you very much for advice, good cors.

1991
01:51:18,855 --> 01:51:22,935
Speaker 2: It's all very busy to you, buddy with grass grubs,

1992
01:51:22,975 --> 01:51:24,375
Speaker 2: which I don't know that I've got them or not.

1993
01:51:24,535 --> 01:51:27,015
Speaker 2: But do they tend to sort of heave the soil

1994
01:51:27,095 --> 01:51:30,015
Speaker 2: as well, Because I've mowing the lawns now. It's it's

1995
01:51:30,175 --> 01:51:31,935
Speaker 2: like driving on a potholed road.

1996
01:51:32,215 --> 01:51:32,695
Speaker 17: That's right.

1997
01:51:32,895 --> 01:51:36,055
Speaker 18: Yeah, they do that sometimes, and so do parhina the

1998
01:51:36,095 --> 01:51:39,175
Speaker 18: parinum off as well, so they expose the tops of

1999
01:51:39,295 --> 01:51:41,575
Speaker 18: the soil a little bit, right. And if you uh,

2000
01:51:42,495 --> 01:51:44,815
Speaker 18: there's actually a good good thing to say about the

2001
01:51:45,215 --> 01:51:47,095
Speaker 18: level of which you cut the grass.

2002
01:51:47,615 --> 01:51:49,455
Speaker 17: Don't go too low at this time.

2003
01:51:49,335 --> 01:51:49,735
Speaker 11: Of the year.

2004
01:51:50,415 --> 01:51:50,815
Speaker 2: Don't worry.

2005
01:51:51,455 --> 01:51:52,735
Speaker 18: But you know what I mean, But that is that

2006
01:51:52,895 --> 01:51:55,975
Speaker 18: is always a very good thing to remember because I

2007
01:51:56,135 --> 01:51:58,895
Speaker 18: know you think you will won't have to mow that

2008
01:51:59,055 --> 01:52:01,815
Speaker 18: quickly again, which is logical. But on the other hand,

2009
01:52:01,855 --> 01:52:03,575
Speaker 18: you're causing quite a few troubles as well.

2010
01:52:04,295 --> 01:52:07,055
Speaker 2: Roger that thank you, I might I'll let away for

2011
01:52:07,175 --> 01:52:11,295
Speaker 2: discussions at home on a later date. Yours is much

2012
01:52:11,495 --> 01:52:13,895
Speaker 2: discussed anyway, we might talk about lawn rolling as well.

2013
01:52:14,015 --> 01:52:15,735
Speaker 2: But later on we're going to take a short break.

2014
01:52:15,775 --> 01:52:17,135
Speaker 2: If you'd like to talk to Ruth, to give us

2015
01:52:17,135 --> 01:52:19,495
Speaker 2: a call right now, oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

2016
01:52:20,095 --> 01:52:24,455
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2017
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