1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,387 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,787 Speaker 1: from News Talk SEDB. 3 00:00:13,147 --> 00:00:16,267 Speaker 2: Well, what's worse than six drop catches? On day two? 4 00:00:16,507 --> 00:00:20,347 Speaker 3: A seventh comes o' rourke into Brook and it's edged 5 00:00:20,347 --> 00:00:21,347 Speaker 3: and drunking. 6 00:00:21,867 --> 00:00:22,227 Speaker 4: God. 7 00:00:22,587 --> 00:00:25,547 Speaker 3: Oh, it's glean Phillips at gully And that was even 8 00:00:25,747 --> 00:00:28,787 Speaker 3: simpler than his first catch. He's drop chalking up number 9 00:00:28,787 --> 00:00:34,907 Speaker 3: seven and Harry Brook is openly laughing because this is comical, 10 00:00:35,387 --> 00:00:38,507 Speaker 3: this is a clown show. He didn't again, didn't move 11 00:00:38,547 --> 00:00:40,707 Speaker 3: his feet, threw the hands at it, and it flew 12 00:00:40,787 --> 00:00:45,307 Speaker 3: to Phillips at gully, not that quickly, I must admit, 13 00:00:46,387 --> 00:00:49,267 Speaker 3: and it went in and out. Well, you think new Day, 14 00:00:49,707 --> 00:00:50,267 Speaker 3: New Dawn. 15 00:00:51,107 --> 00:00:53,667 Speaker 2: It's the same old story, and it's Matt Heath and 16 00:00:53,707 --> 00:00:56,747 Speaker 2: the acc team there. The black Caps didn't necessarily win 17 00:00:56,907 --> 00:00:59,827 Speaker 2: the war, but they eventually managed to get Harry Brooke out. 18 00:00:59,867 --> 00:01:00,987 Speaker 2: Just a few moments ago. 19 00:01:00,867 --> 00:01:03,627 Speaker 3: Matt Henry, mister Darcy comes into Brook Brook edges this 20 00:01:03,867 --> 00:01:04,747 Speaker 3: and he's gone. 21 00:01:05,187 --> 00:01:07,627 Speaker 2: He's out, finally New Zealand. 22 00:01:07,627 --> 00:01:10,467 Speaker 3: Of Court one, there was a poor shot from Brook, 23 00:01:10,547 --> 00:01:12,507 Speaker 3: a tired shot, and. 24 00:01:14,347 --> 00:01:17,187 Speaker 2: Thank the Lord that Blundelle. 25 00:01:16,667 --> 00:01:20,827 Speaker 3: Took a catch and the fortunate son, Harry Brook has 26 00:01:20,867 --> 00:01:22,507 Speaker 3: gone for one hundred and seventy one. 27 00:01:23,067 --> 00:01:26,907 Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred and seventy one for six Harry Brook. Yeah, 28 00:01:27,067 --> 00:01:29,547 Speaker 2: so many drop catches. England now three hundred and eighty 29 00:01:29,587 --> 00:01:32,307 Speaker 2: seven to seven. That's a lead of thirty nine early 30 00:01:32,427 --> 00:01:35,667 Speaker 2: on day three. Joining us now to look at the 31 00:01:35,707 --> 00:01:38,147 Speaker 2: Test match to this point is from a black Caps 32 00:01:38,147 --> 00:01:41,787 Speaker 2: player and coach, John Braceball, joining us on weekend Sport afternoon, John, 33 00:01:41,827 --> 00:01:44,867 Speaker 2: thanks for your time, no problem at all. Well, where 34 00:01:44,867 --> 00:01:47,227 Speaker 2: do you see this Test match at with England now 35 00:01:47,267 --> 00:01:48,347 Speaker 2: developing a bit of a lead. 36 00:01:49,267 --> 00:01:53,507 Speaker 4: Yeah, well it's moving in a three day three the 37 00:01:53,507 --> 00:01:59,907 Speaker 4: wickets flattening out. England in a position where where you 38 00:01:59,947 --> 00:02:02,747 Speaker 4: always look forward to attacking the second new ball as 39 00:02:02,747 --> 00:02:06,307 Speaker 4: opposed to having to defend it. So that's looking to exit. 40 00:02:06,827 --> 00:02:09,867 Speaker 4: But having picked up two wickets this morning, New Zealand 41 00:02:09,867 --> 00:02:13,107 Speaker 4: will be hopeful that news they can keep England's lead 42 00:02:13,227 --> 00:02:18,987 Speaker 4: down to under three figures and I think that they'll 43 00:02:19,027 --> 00:02:20,867 Speaker 4: be quite happy with their morning's work if they can 44 00:02:20,907 --> 00:02:24,787 Speaker 4: do that. But you know, England hold the trump card 45 00:02:24,787 --> 00:02:27,387 Speaker 4: at the moment, with folks still at the wicket and 46 00:02:27,587 --> 00:02:30,027 Speaker 4: looking in reasonable form and the wicket looking as though 47 00:02:30,027 --> 00:02:30,867 Speaker 4: it's flattening out. 48 00:02:31,067 --> 00:02:33,027 Speaker 2: We'll get to the drop catches in a moment. But 49 00:02:33,147 --> 00:02:37,147 Speaker 2: that Harry brooknings he is a wonderful player to watch. 50 00:02:37,227 --> 00:02:39,507 Speaker 4: What did you make of his not Yeah, I think 51 00:02:39,507 --> 00:02:44,987 Speaker 4: he's a sensational player in New Zealand conditions. Certainly he 52 00:02:45,267 --> 00:02:49,827 Speaker 4: likes the bounce. He stays really still. But he's a 53 00:02:49,867 --> 00:02:53,827 Speaker 4: wonderful ball striker, you know, clean, clean head of the ball, 54 00:02:54,427 --> 00:02:57,307 Speaker 4: plays in two forms of the game for England on 55 00:02:57,347 --> 00:03:01,027 Speaker 4: a regular basis, so he's a very very clean striker 56 00:03:01,107 --> 00:03:05,387 Speaker 4: and a nice player watch as well. In terms of entertainment. 57 00:03:06,787 --> 00:03:10,307 Speaker 2: Seven dropped catches, five of them to Harry Brook. There 58 00:03:10,307 --> 00:03:13,427 Speaker 2: was six yesterday, one more this morning, three of those 59 00:03:13,467 --> 00:03:16,787 Speaker 2: from Tom Latham. What have you made of the fielding 60 00:03:16,787 --> 00:03:17,987 Speaker 2: in this Test match, John. 61 00:03:18,667 --> 00:03:24,107 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting because I've always thought that Hagley Oval 62 00:03:24,307 --> 00:03:28,587 Speaker 4: was a difficult catching ground, but not behind the wicket. 63 00:03:28,627 --> 00:03:31,227 Speaker 4: It's been a difficult catching ground square of the wicket, 64 00:03:31,267 --> 00:03:33,667 Speaker 4: where the shadows come from the bank and the trees 65 00:03:34,187 --> 00:03:36,867 Speaker 4: and also the low sun going from east to west. 66 00:03:38,627 --> 00:03:42,307 Speaker 4: And you've seen catches dropped in that square of the 67 00:03:42,307 --> 00:03:50,667 Speaker 4: wicket area consistently at domestic and international level since the 68 00:03:52,667 --> 00:03:55,947 Speaker 4: since it's become a Test match cricket ground, but not 69 00:03:56,147 --> 00:03:58,747 Speaker 4: behind the wicket. It's always been quite a simple ground 70 00:03:58,907 --> 00:04:01,467 Speaker 4: catching ground behind the wicket because the large side screens 71 00:04:02,347 --> 00:04:05,107 Speaker 4: and the embankment. So it's a bit out of the 72 00:04:06,187 --> 00:04:09,387 Speaker 4: out of the ordinary, and I think that New Zealand 73 00:04:09,387 --> 00:04:11,267 Speaker 4: will be very disappointed in the way they've caught in 74 00:04:11,267 --> 00:04:12,107 Speaker 4: this match obviously. 75 00:04:12,627 --> 00:04:16,267 Speaker 2: Is it just a one off for the fielding. Look, 76 00:04:16,307 --> 00:04:18,707 Speaker 2: there's been a few drops in Sri Lanka from memory 77 00:04:19,507 --> 00:04:21,227 Speaker 2: India there are a couple, but Harman they won the 78 00:04:21,227 --> 00:04:22,027 Speaker 2: series three nil. 79 00:04:22,027 --> 00:04:22,227 Speaker 4: There. 80 00:04:22,667 --> 00:04:25,067 Speaker 2: The fielding just seems to have gone off the boil 81 00:04:25,307 --> 00:04:28,147 Speaker 2: a little bit over the last twelve months or so. 82 00:04:28,307 --> 00:04:31,987 Speaker 4: Is that fear Well, you think about the two guys 83 00:04:32,027 --> 00:04:35,587 Speaker 4: who have been the predominant conference, which is Tom Latham 84 00:04:35,827 --> 00:04:40,067 Speaker 4: and Glenn Phillips. I mean, and that'sual fact. They're two 85 00:04:40,107 --> 00:04:43,547 Speaker 4: of our best catches, so it's really out of the 86 00:04:43,627 --> 00:04:47,947 Speaker 4: ordinary and they haven't dropped many catches anywhere. Phillips drops 87 00:04:47,947 --> 00:04:52,227 Speaker 4: the catches generally a speculative catch that he's managed to 88 00:04:52,227 --> 00:04:56,427 Speaker 4: get one hand to and a thumb you know, and 89 00:04:56,587 --> 00:05:02,027 Speaker 4: full diving. So it's very very strange or unusual that 90 00:05:02,187 --> 00:05:05,427 Speaker 4: those two have dropped so many catches in this match. 91 00:05:08,907 --> 00:05:12,267 Speaker 4: Not so much Conway. You dropped that one in the outfield. 92 00:05:13,307 --> 00:05:17,267 Speaker 4: You know, he tends to graze it out there a 93 00:05:17,267 --> 00:05:21,387 Speaker 4: little bit. He's got good hands close, but you know, 94 00:05:21,427 --> 00:05:23,707 Speaker 4: it's just one of those things that he got there 95 00:05:23,747 --> 00:05:26,227 Speaker 4: and he was between strides on the on the on 96 00:05:26,307 --> 00:05:28,467 Speaker 4: the on the on the catch and he spilled it 97 00:05:28,507 --> 00:05:32,707 Speaker 4: and healed it. But those other two very very odd indeed, 98 00:05:33,227 --> 00:05:35,227 Speaker 4: because late night I think it's probably one of the 99 00:05:35,227 --> 00:05:37,587 Speaker 4: best catches we've ever had behind the wicket. 100 00:05:37,907 --> 00:05:39,387 Speaker 2: You're just thinking back to it to your time and 101 00:05:39,467 --> 00:05:42,387 Speaker 2: tied to the black Caps, John, you know, fielding was 102 00:05:42,427 --> 00:05:44,747 Speaker 2: a real strength of the team. What did you put 103 00:05:44,787 --> 00:05:47,867 Speaker 2: in too then as a coaching group and yourself to 104 00:05:48,147 --> 00:05:50,667 Speaker 2: make sure that that black Caps fielding was tip top. 105 00:05:51,507 --> 00:05:54,147 Speaker 4: I think it's just a New Zealand thing. It's it's 106 00:05:54,267 --> 00:05:58,147 Speaker 4: the thing that we all think we can contribute to 107 00:05:58,547 --> 00:06:03,667 Speaker 4: as a team. It's almost our rugby mentality and team 108 00:06:03,667 --> 00:06:07,787 Speaker 4: ethos that that that comes through. Whereas we can be 109 00:06:08,027 --> 00:06:12,867 Speaker 4: as good and if not better given out given our 110 00:06:12,947 --> 00:06:16,107 Speaker 4: numbers our resources than any other team in the world 111 00:06:16,187 --> 00:06:19,627 Speaker 4: if we put the effort in so you know, sort 112 00:06:19,627 --> 00:06:23,707 Speaker 4: of that thing that was it becomes almost like our 113 00:06:23,867 --> 00:06:29,667 Speaker 4: mark of New Zealand teams. Let's be the best in 114 00:06:29,707 --> 00:06:33,187 Speaker 4: the world at one thing at least, which is fielding. 115 00:06:34,067 --> 00:06:38,427 Speaker 4: But equally, when you've got somebody like Richard Hadley who's 116 00:06:38,667 --> 00:06:42,307 Speaker 4: creating opportunities, you also don't want to let your best 117 00:06:42,307 --> 00:06:42,907 Speaker 4: player down. 118 00:06:45,147 --> 00:06:46,707 Speaker 2: What happened when you did, John. 119 00:06:48,907 --> 00:06:53,027 Speaker 4: I can still it's the only thing I can still 120 00:06:53,067 --> 00:06:57,347 Speaker 4: remember negatively about my cricket career as dropping catches off 121 00:06:57,427 --> 00:07:00,067 Speaker 4: Richard Adley. I can't remember dropping catches off other guys. 122 00:07:00,107 --> 00:07:03,427 Speaker 4: But if you drop catches off Richard Adley, not because 123 00:07:03,427 --> 00:07:07,787 Speaker 4: of his repercussion, it's because you felt so much more 124 00:07:07,947 --> 00:07:11,067 Speaker 4: responsible for the outcome of the match if you did, 125 00:07:11,387 --> 00:07:13,867 Speaker 4: because you knew that he probably dictated the outcome of 126 00:07:13,907 --> 00:07:18,147 Speaker 4: the match. So you spent a lot of time catching 127 00:07:18,507 --> 00:07:20,827 Speaker 4: because of that responsibility that you held. 128 00:07:21,787 --> 00:07:24,227 Speaker 2: Indeed, Sir John Bracell with us on news Talk ZIB 129 00:07:24,867 --> 00:07:28,267 Speaker 2: the bowling wise, I guess the drop catches is the headline. 130 00:07:28,307 --> 00:07:32,267 Speaker 2: But we've seen Nathan Smith make his debut and sort 131 00:07:32,267 --> 00:07:34,427 Speaker 2: of a rebuild going on with the black Caps bowling 132 00:07:34,547 --> 00:07:36,347 Speaker 2: Arsenal have have you made, what have you made of 133 00:07:36,347 --> 00:07:38,827 Speaker 2: the bowling attack in this test to this point. 134 00:07:39,467 --> 00:07:44,587 Speaker 4: Yeah, I quite, I quite like Smith. There's a third 135 00:07:44,667 --> 00:07:49,467 Speaker 4: fourth seema, so you know, they're introducing him into the 136 00:07:49,467 --> 00:07:56,107 Speaker 4: game really well. So it's a handy introduction. I think 137 00:07:56,187 --> 00:07:59,307 Speaker 4: Duffy is a good bowler and he's yet to have that, 138 00:07:59,427 --> 00:08:03,067 Speaker 4: you know, that real opportunity as well. So our stocks 139 00:08:03,067 --> 00:08:05,667 Speaker 4: aren't too bad. And I think in domestic cricket we've 140 00:08:05,667 --> 00:08:07,707 Speaker 4: got a number of young class starting to come, well, 141 00:08:07,787 --> 00:08:10,227 Speaker 4: not necessarily young class, you know, we've got a number 142 00:08:10,267 --> 00:08:15,067 Speaker 4: of players who are starting to emerge into the game, 143 00:08:16,667 --> 00:08:19,347 Speaker 4: and I think New Zealand have done a pretty good 144 00:08:19,467 --> 00:08:22,747 Speaker 4: job and introducing them through some sometimes through the white 145 00:08:22,787 --> 00:08:26,467 Speaker 4: ball game into Test cricket while we have this movement 146 00:08:26,547 --> 00:08:30,387 Speaker 4: slightly out with the bolt and then then Subi and 147 00:08:30,427 --> 00:08:33,587 Speaker 4: Wagner starting to move on and move out of the game. 148 00:08:33,707 --> 00:08:36,587 Speaker 4: So I think New Zealand have done a pretty good 149 00:08:36,707 --> 00:08:41,867 Speaker 4: job in terms of developing that confidence and that depth 150 00:08:43,547 --> 00:08:47,067 Speaker 4: in regards to our next generation of bowlers. 151 00:08:47,947 --> 00:08:51,107 Speaker 2: Indeed, and Tim Salvey bowing out, I'm trying to think, 152 00:08:51,347 --> 00:08:53,667 Speaker 2: did you introduce them to Test cricket? John, we use 153 00:08:53,707 --> 00:08:54,507 Speaker 2: at your ear. 154 00:08:55,147 --> 00:08:58,187 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was actually you know only because I knew 155 00:08:58,187 --> 00:09:02,027 Speaker 4: that he played rugby and I thought, and as he 156 00:09:02,107 --> 00:09:04,307 Speaker 4: stands on the customer's going to be a team man. 157 00:09:04,507 --> 00:09:06,227 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, as he stands on the custom of his 158 00:09:06,427 --> 00:09:09,827 Speaker 2: test retirement. You know, some sixteen years later, what have 159 00:09:09,827 --> 00:09:11,907 Speaker 2: you made of his career and how he's poised to 160 00:09:11,987 --> 00:09:12,947 Speaker 2: bow out of this team. 161 00:09:13,627 --> 00:09:15,747 Speaker 4: Oh, I think he's just been a genuine great I 162 00:09:15,747 --> 00:09:18,387 Speaker 4: think he's been a genuine great leader. I think he's 163 00:09:18,427 --> 00:09:23,907 Speaker 4: been a genuine great bowler. And he's and he's sacrificed 164 00:09:23,987 --> 00:09:27,067 Speaker 4: a lot for New Zealand cricket over the years in 165 00:09:27,107 --> 00:09:30,787 Speaker 4: all three format. It's always been available. When he goes back, 166 00:09:30,867 --> 00:09:34,867 Speaker 4: he always enjoys playing for ND you know. So he's 167 00:09:35,587 --> 00:09:40,227 Speaker 4: he's almost like that club guy, come good cricketer. And 168 00:09:42,507 --> 00:09:46,347 Speaker 4: whilst he's yes, he's gained some really good financial rewards 169 00:09:46,347 --> 00:09:49,667 Speaker 4: from the modern day game. He's deserved those rewards, but 170 00:09:49,787 --> 00:09:55,227 Speaker 4: he's also returned to New Zealand, you know, performance after 171 00:09:55,267 --> 00:09:58,907 Speaker 4: performance and effort after effort, and that can't be denied. 172 00:09:59,347 --> 00:10:03,587 Speaker 4: Also for the amount of bowling he's done. He's a 173 00:10:03,627 --> 00:10:08,147 Speaker 4: remarkably good catcher and he's taken some wonderful catches in 174 00:10:08,187 --> 00:10:11,787 Speaker 4: the slips for New Zealand for a quick bowl, so 175 00:10:12,187 --> 00:10:18,147 Speaker 4: his contribution can't be underestimated and certainly if it's exaggerated, 176 00:10:18,187 --> 00:10:18,987 Speaker 4: it deserves to be. 177 00:10:19,467 --> 00:10:21,267 Speaker 2: And just finally, John with the Black Caps will have 178 00:10:21,347 --> 00:10:25,467 Speaker 2: the bowl last on this wicket at Hagley Oval. In 179 00:10:25,547 --> 00:10:29,427 Speaker 2: terms of how it develops the pitch over the last three, four, 180 00:10:29,547 --> 00:10:32,107 Speaker 2: five days of this Test match, what are you expecting 181 00:10:32,267 --> 00:10:35,427 Speaker 2: to see as this Test match, as you said, moving 182 00:10:35,547 --> 00:10:37,187 Speaker 2: day and then comes to a close over the next 183 00:10:37,187 --> 00:10:39,387 Speaker 2: couple from the pitch perspective. 184 00:10:39,467 --> 00:10:41,987 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, New Zealand is one of the rare countries 185 00:10:41,987 --> 00:10:45,467 Speaker 4: in the world where your best opportunity to win the 186 00:10:45,467 --> 00:10:50,187 Speaker 4: matches in the first innings and then if you don't 187 00:10:50,187 --> 00:10:54,147 Speaker 4: take advantage of that first innings then your opportunities to 188 00:10:54,187 --> 00:10:58,147 Speaker 4: win the match decline. Based on the fact that our 189 00:10:58,187 --> 00:11:03,507 Speaker 4: wickets tend to get better as games go on, and 190 00:11:03,547 --> 00:11:08,147 Speaker 4: the fourth innings is often sometimes the best time to 191 00:11:08,187 --> 00:11:11,587 Speaker 4: bat because our wickets become so sort of benign of 192 00:11:11,627 --> 00:11:18,787 Speaker 4: any attacking for spin or variable bounds. So the longer 193 00:11:18,867 --> 00:11:21,907 Speaker 4: England bat now, the harder it is for New Zealand 194 00:11:21,987 --> 00:11:23,907 Speaker 4: to be able to be able to win this match. 195 00:11:24,147 --> 00:11:25,907 Speaker 2: We watch on with interest. Thank you very much for 196 00:11:25,947 --> 00:11:28,747 Speaker 2: your expertise, John, appreciate your time on News Talks THEB 197 00:11:28,827 --> 00:11:29,427 Speaker 2: this afternoon. 198 00:11:30,067 --> 00:11:31,307 Speaker 4: Absolutely no problem at all. 199 00:11:31,467 --> 00:11:34,107 Speaker 2: That is John Bracewill, former black Caps player and coach, 200 00:11:34,147 --> 00:11:37,227 Speaker 2: giving his view of where we sits on Day three 201 00:11:37,427 --> 00:11:40,067 Speaker 2: of this Test match between the black Caps and England 202 00:11:40,227 --> 00:11:43,907 Speaker 2: at Hagley Oval, England just taking over four hundred runs 203 00:11:43,907 --> 00:11:46,147 Speaker 2: four hundred and one for seven. That's a lead of 204 00:11:46,147 --> 00:11:50,027 Speaker 2: fifty three Atkinson and Stokes at the Wackit had nearly 205 00:11:50,147 --> 00:11:53,667 Speaker 2: ten overs of the new ball to this point as 206 00:11:53,707 --> 00:11:55,707 Speaker 2: well for the black Caps, and they've managed to grab 207 00:11:55,707 --> 00:11:59,867 Speaker 2: a couple of wickets in this session, but seven drop catches, 208 00:12:00,027 --> 00:12:03,827 Speaker 2: six of them on day so a further one this morning. 209 00:12:03,987 --> 00:12:08,187 Speaker 2: Five to the fate of the bats of Harry Brooks 210 00:12:08,387 --> 00:12:10,547 Speaker 2: that were dropped. She can't drop a player like Harry 211 00:12:10,547 --> 00:12:13,107 Speaker 2: Brooks that many times have The black Caps missed a 212 00:12:13,267 --> 00:12:18,307 Speaker 2: golden opportunity to take charge of this Test match. 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